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Is the phone that much faster without Sense? Is it any better on the battery? I like the Sense apps but have thought of switching to vanilla if I can get better battery life and less occasional lag (like its really that bad ).
Just looking for Pros and Cons...Is ADW a good alternative? I tried Launcher Pro and it seemed run slow, maybe because sense was running behind it.
Vanilla is better, but is not fasteror better onbattery.
Launcher pro is the best launcher
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I just prefer vanilla over sense, no technical reason why. Also, I second the vote for LauncherPro.
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I like sense myself..after having trield vanilla and launcher pro..Launcher pro MAY be needing resources a bit more than sense and vanilla.. as these two are built in.. while Launcher pro is an app.
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I like sense myself..after having trield vanilla and launcher pro..Launcher pro MAY be needing resources a bit more than sense and vanilla.. as these two are built in.. while Launcher pro is an app.
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I second this. I just used Sky Raiders 2.2 vanilla and while it was amazing in the battery department it was not all that great in the UI arena IMO. I just missed some of the features that you have with sense.
I prefer sense, mostly because of it's better Exchange integration. I like the tweaks and additional functionality that Sense provides.
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I second this. I just used Sky Raiders 2.2 vanilla and while it was amazing in the battery department it was not all that great in the UI arena IMO. I just missed some of the features that you have with sense.
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I think it was lacking in the ui because it is a mix of vanilla and sense. Some theming will clear that up.
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I really like the 5 buttons on the bottom of Launcher Pro as apposed to the sense bar with 3 buttons. But LauncherPro just didn't seem as smooth with sense running the BG and all I could think about was how it would kill my battery with Sense running all the while I have LauncherPro going.
I run the stock rom with Launcher Pro as my default rom and nandroid backup. I use Advanced Task Killer to kill sense and all the non critical supporting processes and apps. My battery life is about the same as before I switched over to this configuration, and my phone does seem to run about as smooth as it did with sense. I have used ADW and a couple others, as well as the stock vanilla android, and I like Launcher Pro the best. I get some stability issues here and there, but LP just restarts and all is well in the world. I also use the Beautiful Widgets clock/weather widget, it may contribute to the occasional force closes, but they'e not frequent enough to concern me.
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I run the stock rom with Launcher Pro as my default rom and nandroid backup. I use Advanced Task Killer to kill sense and all the non critical supporting processes and apps. My battery life is about the same as before I switched over to this configuration, and my phone does seem to run about as smooth as it did with sense. I have used ADW and a couple others, as well as the stock vanilla android, and I like Launcher Pro the best. I get some stability issues here and there, but LP just restarts and all is well in the world. I also use the Beautiful Widgets clock/weather widget, it may contribute to the occasional force closes, but they'e not frequent enough to concern me.
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likewise I used to be an avid ATK (Advanced Task Killer) user.. but after having read how android OS works and reading plenty of expert articles.. apparently using a task killer is COUNTER PRODUCTIVE to saving memory and battery.. you can google this if you want.. Android OS has built in file and RAM allocation management systems.. the ATKs will kill a task before it has a chance to shut down itself.. resulting in depletion of resources necessarily.
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Vanilla is better, but is not fasteror better on battery.
Launcher pro is the best launcher
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I agree 100%. Coming from Moto Droid. I am not a big fan of sense. It just seems like there is too much stuff going on. It all depends on how much social integration you like, i.e. Facebook, twitter and so on.
Is there any way to change the bottom bar? I really like the LLP bar, but sense is smoother so I will likely stick with it for the forseeable future.
Heyyy, kind of a noobie here.... I flashed iced glacier, and desire HD, and now I'm using cyanogen, which is like vanilla I guess? But what's the big difference....I mean it seems like there are two sides, the vanilla, and the other side... what I want to know is what is the real difference between say, sense, and something like cyanogen? I mean I am by no means anything even remotely close to a dev or anything of that nature so maybe that's why I don't know or understand...but so far the only big difference I have seen has been like the friendstream widget and te Widgets in general are nice in sense...could someone explain to me the case for both sides....vanilla and sense?
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Heyyy, kind of a noobie here.... I flashed iced glacier, and desire HD, and now I'm using cyanogen, which is like vanilla I guess? But what's the big difference....I mean it seems like there are two sides, the vanilla, and the other side... what I want to know is what is the real difference between say, sense, and something like cyanogen? I mean I am by no means anything even remotely close to a dev or anything of that nature so maybe that's why I don't know or understand...but so far the only big difference I have seen has been like the friendstream widget and te Widgets in general are nice in sense...could someone explain to me the case for both sides....vanilla and sense?
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Cyanogen Mod is basically a modified version of the Android Open Source Project. That is to say it is basically vanilla android with some tweaks and replacements of generic apps.
CM6 Demo
Sense is user interface created by HTC that sits on top of the core android system and replaces many of the AOSP apps with HTC versions.
Sense Demo
Espresso, sometimes called MySense, is a modified version of HTC Sense.
Espresso Demo
Touchwiz is a samsung propietary that sits on top of the core android system and replaces AOSP apps with Samsung versions.
Touchwiz Demo
MIUI is a chinese developed UI for android, and much like sense sits on top of the Android core. MIUI to most people resembles iOS. It has aspects of many other user interfaces such as sense and touchwiz.
MIUI Demo
MOTOBlur is a Motorola proprietary user interface that is heavy on social networking. It was used int the cliq, but is no longer prevalent in newer motorola phones.
MotoBlur Demo
The case for any of these is personal preference. Cyanogen Mod being an AOSP derivative tends to be more lightweight and not as resource intensive, but Sense has a ton of added goodies (particularly the actual HTC Sense and not T-mobile's version of sense, Espresso). MIUI has a very snappy interface heavy on animations and is very customizable. With all that, it's really up to you what you like most, and what suits your needs most.
I've had the Nexus One for So long with stock...
I kinda like HTC Sense on this phone it isn't so bad plenty of memory and I have a 16gb SD card. So I think I'll wait until Cyanogen comes up with a gingerbread ROM.... After coming off Cyanogen for months I think I'll give sense a try...
Thank you very much!!!!! Very helpful I get it all now. So would you say that people like AOSP so much because its by devs where as sense is something HTC tried to brand and because they are hardware end of things they don't know as much and should just leave it to devs and aosp, on the software side of things...?
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Cyanogen Mod is basically a modified version of the Android Open Source Project. That is to say it is basically vanilla android with some tweaks and replacements of generic apps.
CM6 Demo
Sense is user interface created by HTC that sits on top of the core android system and replaces many of the AOSP apps with HTC versions.
Sense Demo
Espresso, sometimes called MySense, is a modified version of HTC Sense.
Espresso Demo
Touchwiz is a samsung propietary that sits on top of the core android system and replaces AOSP apps with Samsung versions.
Touchwiz Demo
MIUI is a chinese developed UI for android, and much like sense sits on top of the Android core. MIUI to most people resembles iOS. It has aspects of many other user interfaces such as sense and touchwiz.
MIUI Demo
MOTOBlur is a Motorola proprietary user interface that is heavy on social networking. It was used int the cliq, but is no longer prevalent in newer motorola phones.
MotoBlur Demo
The case for any of these is personal preference. Cyanogen Mod being an AOSP derivative tends to be more lightweight and not as resource intensive, but Sense has a ton of added goodies (particularly the actual HTC Sense and not T-mobile's version of sense, Espresso). MIUI has a very snappy interface heavy on animations and is very customizable. With all that, it's really up to you what you like most, and what suits your needs most.
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Thank you very much!!!!! Very helpful I get it all now. So would you say that people like AOSP so much because its by devs where as sense is something HTC tried to brand and because they are hardware end of things they don't know as much and should just leave it to devs and aosp, on the software side of things...?
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I think the allure of AOSP is how lightweight it is. That is why so many people like CM... it's AOSP with extra tweaks and features. Sense on the other hand many people see as bloated and "improving" where it's not needed... like I said it's all preference though... I personally really like CM, but I also really like the "new" sense that you will find in gr8gorilla's DHD port. Just experiment... maybe run a rom for a day or two give it a good test run then try another... eventually you will figure out what's right for you.
@slhpss Thanks a lot. This is a really easy and concise way of explaining things and I appreciate that.
This thread is pretty self-explanatory. I just thought I'd create it to see what other people besides me were using and why. Anyway, I don't know why I haven't seen any other thread like this, although I have a feeling someone's going to come and egg my house for this for some reason.
Right now I'm using faux123's AOSP Gingerbread ROM just because I like the speed and fluidity of AOSP.
Im Using UD. Its a pretty great rom but im getting tired of gingerbread and its little flaws for our mytouchs. Like the ffc for video chat being upside down and the lack of apps able to run properly
Everything? Right now RG 1.6. In about an hour probably fauxes AOSP to try to fix some stuff... (of mine that's broken.... not fauxs.. don't freak out).
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Cm7 nb#58 with stock cm kernel. Having no issues on this build.
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I've tried most of them, but always find my self coming back to CM7 (7.0.2 currently). I want so badly to run Faux's ASOP, but he stripped out the notification bar power widgets... and I am not sure I can live without them!
Currently using CM 7.0.2
CM7.0.2
I want to love the cm7 releases and they do work well but battery life seems to be much shorter than it is when using RoyalGinger. Anyone else have the same experience?
Running eViL's 4G-HD DesireHD port. I found out that when it comes to usability, pure Android is lacking A LOT compared to Sense (specifically - contacts/dialer, Exchange mail, browser), I'm tired of Gingerbread quirks, and I don't like the T-Mo Sense skin too much, so I'm running the pure Sense version.
As of a few days ago, running cm7 latest "stable" build. It's the first post-stock rom I've run, and I love it! So far very happy with the seemingly faster smoother experience, and battery so far seems much better than stock. I might get around to trying Royal's as I hear it's even faster and better with battery, but I'm wary of constant flashing lol, I just want a solid steady rom to use as my daily, and so far cm7 running LPP over it has made me happy
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Running eViL's 4G-HD DesireHD port. I found out that when it comes to usability, pure Android is lacking A LOT compared to Sense (specifically - contacts/dialer, Exchange mail, browser), I'm tired of Gingerbread quirks, and I don't like the T-Mo Sense skin too much, so I'm running the pure Sense version.
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I felt the same way until trying Launcher Plus Pro (LPP) - no it's not Sense, but offers many similar sense-like widgets that in my opinion actually work BETTER than their sense counterparts, i.e. the "Friends" LPP widget is SO much faster than Friendstream, and serves the same function, and LPP's calendar widget is much more efficient, you get both grid and agenda in one widget. Add to the widgets the far-superior customizable dock and I haven't looked back. Only drawback to running an AOSP rom over sense is the phone-related ui elements definitely suck, i.e. the dialer screen, etc. Overall though, totally worth the shift for me.
Royal Glacier v1.3. Its all in my signature. Fast and smooth with all the mt4g features available, great on battery life and performance and love the theme also.
boardopboy said:
I've tried most of them, but always find my self coming back to CM7 (7.0.2 currently). I want so badly to run Faux's ASOP, but he stripped out the notification bar power widgets... and I am not sure I can live without them!
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There are widgets in the market that do the same thing.
Faux's ASOP here. It's damn near perfect for me.
running royalglacier 1.3, its fast smooth, and gets awesome battery life. I have yet to try out any gingerbread roms, kinda waiting for the offical update, which may or may not come.
sunsean said:
I felt the same way until trying Launcher Plus Pro (LPP) - no it's not Sense, but offers many similar sense-like widgets that in my opinion actually work BETTER than their sense counterparts, i.e. the "Friends" LPP widget is SO much faster than Friendstream, and serves the same function, and LPP's calendar widget is much more efficient, you get both grid and agenda in one widget. Add to the widgets the far-superior customizable dock and I haven't looked back. Only drawback to running an AOSP rom over sense is the phone-related ui elements definitely suck, i.e. the dialer screen, etc. Overall though, totally worth the shift for me.
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I'm not using Sense for the widgets. Actually, I'm not using a single Sense widget on my 7 screens - even though I really like the full-screen weather animation that comes with HTC clock (but not willing to sacrifice half of my main screen for it).
I've been running LPP on stock Android for a long time using various ROMs on my Nexus One, including Gingerbread versions. The obvious parts of the stock-vs-Sense I already mentioned, but there are less obvious parts. The integration with external dialer in stock Android is bad, different screens coming up one after another for checking missed calls, very slow contact photo rendering on long lists, etc. LPP sucked when taking the phone off the charger every morning, having to restart and reload all the screens. Since GB it also sucked, being unable to do zoom-out and show 7 busy screens without hiccups, having to reload caches after every heavy app launch or charging, and scrolling slowly when using really busy screens. So I stopped using it and dropped GB in favor of Sense, and this preference remained when I moved to MT4G (my wife wanted the Nexus, I finally convinced her to move to Android from her antique WinMo).
boardopboy said:
I've tried most of them, but always find my self coming back to CM7 (7.0.2 currently). I want so badly to run Faux's ASOP, but he stripped out the notification bar power widgets... and I am not sure I can live without them!
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Just get widgetsoid from market, its even better with pop up for brightness and individual volume controls, reboot options, custom intent and more.
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darinmc said:
There are widgets in the market that do the same thing.
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Is there one you would recommended over another?
Edit: Now seeing post above mine... I'll check it out!
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Running CM7 and after they get all the bugs working for the Galaxy Tab, will be giving it a try also.
I use Power Control Plus
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Hi, just trying to peoples opinion. I'm on cynogenmod 7, but see the latest sense rom and interested in installing. I use the go launcher so Widgets aren't a big deal. I'm more interested in battery life and linking to twitter etc.
Which one is best??
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Battery life with CM7 can be greatly improved (and many reporting greater than sense ROMs) by changing the radio and RIL file (which radio works best only you with your handset can decide).
There are several great Twitter apps. Since you mention yo're not into widgets, what integration were you looking for? I recommend Twidroyd and Tweetdeck.
If you insist on having a sense ROM just because it might give a better battery life then LeeDrOiD is your man, IMO.
I used to use leedroids and yeah battery life was great, his new one is why I'm questioning really. The integration I mean is with the phonebook and gallery etc. I also use tweetdeck. I thought cm7 didn't need ril? Because of ril, is the sense battery and signal better?
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There are no better 'official' skins for android IMO, also the integration with other services like facebook and twitter are very nice.
On top of that also the very good looking widgets.
But there are also alternative apps with which you can create a similar experience.
If it wasn't for the fact that you can't have 5 columns / rows on the homescreen and ability to resize widgets I would stick with the HTC sense launcher, but I like having that many cols/rows and also having folders in the app menu, so go launcher is best for me
My daughter is 16 and a techie. she is running stock 2.1 on her hero. Recently, she ran out of room on her phone for memory because with stock 2.1, you can not move apps to the sd card. is there a program or a rom, that offers everything the stock rom has, PLUS the ability to move apps from phone to sd card?????
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My daughter is 16 and a techie. she is running stock 2.1 on her hero. Recently, she ran out of room on her phone for memory because with stock 2.1, you can not move apps to the sd card. is there a program or a rom, that offers everything the stock rom has, PLUS the ability to move apps from phone to sd card?????
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I think liquidsense has apps2sd, or if she's willing to give up Sense then cyanogen 7 does.
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what is sense?
thanks for your reply, but what is sense? is it significant enough not to be without or what?
Sense is the user interface that came with the phone. It is made by HTC and is found on most HTC phones (EVO 4G, EVO Shift 4G, HTC Incredible, etc). It's an Android skin/theme and more. The notification bar theme, Sense widgets (weather, flip clock, etc), dialer application, messaging app, etc are all unique to Sense only. I say it's more than a skin/theme because there are differences in functionality in addition to looks.
Motorola makes MotoBlur, but no one likes it. Samsung makes TouchWiz. They all offer a different Android experience.
AOSP (Android Open Source Project), aka "Vanilla Android" is Android in its purest form, the OS that the above build over.
It's hard to describe, you have to see the difference for yourself. This thread isn't comprehensive at all but shows the general sense of the differences.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7227980
sense is the HTC home integration. there are other AOSP options available, AND, firerat's allows users to modify the internal storage space, in most cases making app2sd null. there are also lots of themes for AOSP gingerbread flavors like CM7. those AOSP options won't have sense.
ok, so is there a general preference from users? do more tend to prefer the sense roms or aosp roms? I want her to be able to download apps with ease, not have to flash them, want her camera to work and all major functions. i read one thread on sense 2.2 rom but it appeared that the camera still does not work. I am trying to obtain a rom that has all functions working, and the ability to move apps from phone to sd card much like i can with froyo 2.2.1. does this help narrow down what i am looking for?
As far as I know, there isn't a fully functional Sense rom past Eclair (2.1). A lot of users prefer AOSP roms, as Sense is a resource hog and it's heavy. CM7 and asopMod are both excellext roms, though cm runs better on my device for whatever reason. If you get an AOSP rom, you'll need to flash it and the gapps.zip to get the market and such because Android is open source, Googles apps are not.
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My favorite sense rom is zenEXP 0.9.7. You can find the download link by searching for it on Google.
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I liked CM7+AOSP rom http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=864403 which has pretty features, and working apps (camera, navigation, sms, etc.) and it's very customizable
Hmm
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ok, so is there a general preference from users? do more tend to prefer the sense roms or aosp roms? I want her to be able to download apps with ease, not have to flash them, want her camera to work and all major functions. i read one thread on sense 2.2 rom but it appeared that the camera still does not work. I am trying to obtain a rom that has all functions working, and the ability to move apps from phone to sd card much like i can with froyo 2.2.1. does this help narrow down what i am looking for?
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Sir, I would recommend CM7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984702
Everything works on that, gps, camera, wifi, bluetooth etc etc. Plus it has
ability to move apps to SD. Very stable, fast and actively being developed.
Or
aospCMod which is a mixture of asop and CM7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=864403
It has everything working as well so You can't go wrong with this one
either. (This is my current rom)
You would only have to Flash the google apps once and after that She
will be able to to download apps from market like she normally does
right now with her sense rom. I believe I have answered all your questions.
Please free to ask if you have any more questions. Both of these roms
are so fast that she will never miss sense again!!!
Download adw launcher from the market. After its installed press the home key and choose adw. Don't check the box. Click ok. This is what is used in most aosp roms. If you go the aosp way you'll have to find alternatives to the sense widgets that look similiar if that's what she likes. There are plenty out there. CM7 and anything built off of 2.2 or 2.3 has native apps to SD, meaning you won't need to partition the sdcard. There are a couple.of sense roms still being updated, but the majority have moved on to aosp or CM7. These also seem to feel smother than a Sense based ROM. I would still prefer a sense based ROM, though.
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I am using aospCMOD20110523 and its running great for me. Its fast and my battery life is way better.
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I am using aospCMOD20110523 and its running great for me. Its fast and my battery life is way better.
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Yes, I am also using the same release and my experience is
same as yours =]
When the Gingerbread Sense 2.1 ROM is fixed up a little bit more I would definitely recommend using that.