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Seriously? Thread closed?

EDIT: woohoo, svetius fixed it... no more "IPHONE" at the top of XDA!!!
Consider this a rant.
I ALWAYS come here to help XDA and our community. I don't believe anyone would doubt that.
I make one thread *HERE* where I comment on not liking the IPHONE FORUMS button at the top...
In there I inquire about having an ANDROID ONLY forum and a MICROSOFT ONLY forum... seems like XDA is getting too big anyway....
I then encourage people to donate to XDA (Like I have)....
and then I get called a troll by some mod I dont know, and my thread gets locked?
Forgive me for helping people here everyday.
Forgive me for encouraging donations to XDA.
Forgive me for not enjoying looking at IPHONE everytime I post about ANDROID.
Forgive me for having an idea to split XDA up into sister sites (like you are doing).
Forgive me FOR BEING A TROLL... that part is laugable. Being called a troll was probably the spark that caused this rant.
/rant
Consider me taking an extended break from XDA... if you need help PM me. I will still be lurking in the Dev section. Or trolling I guess?

Dude take a chill pill!

I was called a troll by the very group I was supporting....

I've never found the mods on here to be helpful.
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read between the lines. He wasn't calling you in general a troll. Notice how he stated "I wished threads like this remained civilized"? That means responses within the topic where troll topics, or troll bait.

Manstruation.

s15274n said:
I was called a troll by the very group I was supporting....
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I'm obviously new here but this does seem a bit counter productive of the forums to do. This rant has more behind it than being a "troll" and by the sounds of it the anger is founded.
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you are forgiven.

I'm sympathetic to you, but it's really the wrong place for such a thread. If you seriously hate seeing the word "iPhone" so much, why would you start a thread in Vibrant General about the iPhone?
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krylon360 said:
read between the lines. He wasn't calling you in general a troll. Notice how he stated "I wished threads like this remained civilized"? That means responses within the topic where troll topics, or troll bait.
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to be fair to the op, the mod originally said "obvious troll is obvious". Then he post was edited reopened and moved.

S15274N seriously helps TONS of people and goes above and beyond to contribute. Really weak sauce IMHO.
Vibrant, Bionix-V, Voodoo...

The more professional thing to do would be to send a PM to the mod who locked the thread.

i gotta admit....
i was trollin this morning....
i saw that thread when i was already in a pissed off mood...
for that i apologize for my part of the trollin...

Scoobyracing03 said:
The more professional thing to do would be to send a PM to the mod who locked the thread.
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Agreed, that's why I did it.
And yes, his post was edited. To be fair, I edited my op to be better, but before I could post that I cleaned it up, it was locked.

that seems like a small thing to close a thread up for.
I think that thread was a suggestion, not a complaint, or rant as you said.
a pure suggestion.
and if people were flaming/trolling it, its the moderators duty, and job to handle that, is it not?
but s15, by just reading the OP, you kind of made it sound like a "DO IT NOW" like a command rather than a request, i can see how the mod would get kind of irritated, too.

"the_scottsmen: Obvious trolls are obvious. It's a pity threads like this can't remain civilised...I'll re-open it for now and move it to General."
The way I interpreted his statement was that the thread wasn't so much the issue, but that some of the more extreme comments were.
My personal on the button: I have no problem with it. I'm with birgertime. This site started as a winmo forum and grown into so much more. Why wouldn't they want to advertise their new sister site? ios is a huge platform and I'm sure they would like those eyeballs to head on over here. Plus those mac fans love to throw out money, like for fart apps. xda deserves money, not so much apple.

Stop whining...are u 5? Seriously? Xda does not need ppl like u crying for every little thing.
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fatboy547 said:
Stop whining...are u 5? Seriously? Xda does not need ppl like u crying for every little thing.
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And we need less people who can't type.

fatboy547 said:
Stop whining...are u 5? Seriously? Xda does not need ppl like u crying for every little thing.
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THIS is a perfect example of "troll" "flame" and so on.

s15274n said:
Consider this a rant.
I ALWAYS come here to help XDA and our community. I don't believe anyone would doubt that.
I make one thread *HERE* where I comment on not liking the IPHONE FORUMS button at the top...
In there I inquire about having an ANDROID ONLY forum and a MICROSOFT ONLY forum... seems like XDA is getting too big anyway....
I then encourage people to donate to XDA (Like I have)....
and then I get called a troll by some mod I dont know, and my thread gets locked?
Forgive me for helping people here everyday.
Forgive me for encouraging donations to XDA.
Forgive me for not enjoying looking at IPHONE everytime I post about ANDROID.
Forgive me for having an idea to split XDA up into sister sites (like you are doing).
Forgive me FOR BEING A TROLL... that part is laugable. Being called a troll was probably the spark that caused this rant.
/rant
Consider me taking an extended break from XDA... if you need help PM me. I will still be lurking in the Dev section. Or trolling I guess?
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To the Mod that closed this: This is not IRAN we do not need the "Thought Police" telling us we shouldn't express our consternation with a given product or corporate behavior. I would agree to personally attack another person is inappropriate But, the fact is; in a forum such as this we have the right to express our thoughts about these products. After all, isn't that how the development section got started by a bunch of us who were angry with the corporate Lameness and took to solving the substandard products on our own...?........ Or are supposed to be sheep and stay silent ??? Hmmmm ???
Frankly, I have seen so much worse so, why this thread you guys have stock in Apple ???

[Q] Debranding

Hi peeps. Im starting to get really ticked off by the branding string in the build properties.
What do i have to do in build.prop to stop the android market seeing my xoom as a verizon device and see it instead as a viewsonic gtab or whatever?

Why is everyone posting questions in the dev section?

Because they can't read
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let me explain why...
its because i am a dev myself, and i have been here long enough to know that at this stage in a subforum's development no-one from the dev community ever looks in the general subsection
welcome to reality
also, you should understand this perfectly well having joined in 2009... or are you just a snob with a post count?

One might ask what he is implying you cannot read.

Nothing we say will help. Makes me sad they don't know how to follow the rules and have common sense. All you get by posting a question in a dev forum instead of general or q/a is people telling you to post in the right thread. Just do it and they will help.
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Maybe you'll get a better answer if you try posting in the right section for considering yourself a dev you're good at being stupid

Create a "XOOM Hacking Help and Advanced Discussion" Subforum.
Problem solved.

PaulG1488 said:
Maybe you'll get a better answer if you try posting in the right section for considering yourself a dev you're good at being stupid
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It's hilarious how so many people on forums get their geek tighty-whities in such a bunch when (god forbid!) people don't follow perfect forum etiquette, even when they have a legitimately good reason for doing so. Get over yourselves.

joeski27 said:
It's hilarious how so many people on forums get their geek tighty-whities in such a bunch when (god forbid!) people don't follow perfect forum etiquette, even when they have a legitimately good reason for doing so. Get over yourselves.
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He had no good reason he considered himself a dev and yet doesn't have common sense to post his question in the right section

a Dev? Are you kidding? His app is still stuck on beta test stage and they couldn't make it done....

Perhaps if any of you tight-ass teenagers had read my reasons for posting in this subsection (its the third post, refer to it if you please), you would think again.
And my app is not stuck in beta, the draft is on the market and all the beta testers have already received their free rc. They are all happy with it.
If you really knew this forum, you would not be saying those silly, childish things. And if you dont know how to help, speak less lest you hinder instead.

ftgg99 said:
Perhaps if any of you tight-ass teenagers had read my reasons for posting in this subsection (its the third post, refer to it if you please), you would think again.
And my app is not stuck in beta, the draft is on the market and all the beta testers have already received their free rc. They are all happy with it.
If you really knew this forum, you would not be saying those silly, childish things. And if you dont know how to help, speak less lest you hinder instead.
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https://market.android.com/details?id=ch.racic.android.marketenabler
I think if you posted in the right section this would have been answered regardless.... if you really knew this forum you would know that you were gonna get flamed.
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Yeah... thats not what im looking for as its a cdma verizon only device at this point.
Also chongo, i know this forum, and i know flamers too. Theyre kids with nothing better to do. Again, refer to the third post in this thread for a grown-ups explanation.

ftgg99 said:
Yeah... thats not what im looking for as its a cdma verizon only device at this point.
Also chongo, i know this forum, and i know flamers too. Theyre kids with nothing better to do. Again, refer to the third post in this thread for a grown-ups explanation.
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I did read it and I don't need a "grown ups" explanation... do you need an explanation of forum rules? No I didn't think so... like I said posting this in the right section would have gotten you better results. Disagree? Then enjoy your "answers"
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You are contributing to these answers. I suppose you like being a flamer. The anonymity of the internet provides you with a safe place from which to mindlessly attack others in the vain hope that it will expose your superior intellect and regard for the rules.
If you were a grown up guy, you would be doing something useful. Perhaps graduating from 'young android enthusiast' to 'productive member of society'...

ftgg99 said:
You are contributing to these answers. I suppose you like being a flamer. The anonymity of the internet provides you with a safe place from which to mindlessly attack others in the vain hope that it will expose your superior intellect and regard for the rules.
If you were a grown up guy, you would be doing something useful. Perhaps graduating from 'young android enthusiast' to 'productive member of society'...
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I actually was contributing by trying to tell you where to post to get the best results.... not some mindless attack. "The anonymity of the internet provides you with a safe place from which to mindlessly attack others in the vain hope that it will expose your superior intellect and regard for the rules." Anonymity? Actually my name is Morgan Brant and I live at 2215 ontario street. Do I really need a safe place to talk... no not really... oh and a productive member of society? I'm actually a full time student and a full time photographer... don't believe me? Maybe you can do more then check my "Bio" when trying to school me with your pathetic elitest attitude.
www.chongophoto.com edit: not promoting myself what so ever... unless your in vancouver
I'd say back to topic... but really come on... lets just let the mods shut this down or better yet move it to Q/A
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God bless Akmerica. (Am I allowed to post in here since I only half develope using app inventor? I did make my own speed dial app where u press a pic to call someone... thats got to count)
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Wow. Do much hatred. Yes, technically questions don't belong here. But, if he had worded the post differently, nobody would mind. "[PROJ] debranding the XOOM let's figure out how to change the build.prop..."
Now, since we're already here and on the subject... anyone had any success with this?

Apparently being a "DEV" means you no longer have to fallow forum rules and you can pretty much do what ever you want. Sounds cool..
Also since your a developer shouldn't you already know how to change the build.prop?

Moderators please -READ-( Suggestion? Complaint? idk)

I appreciate that fact that we finally have some moderating going on these forums, but why are threads being closed, deleted with no reason?
Some threads, its obvious there's trollin' flaming etc.
but other's i just don't see why it is, and so i suggest to you mods that before closing the threads, you could say why it was, because if you just close it. People won't know what the thread had wrong with it, and may continue doing that...
Sorry for making a whole thread on this, but idk which mod is doing these since mmelo is gone for a while... so idk who to PM.
Sorry if this is in the Wrong section, there's no section that says "complains/suggestions/talk"

I like your suggestion kid!
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I like your suggestion kid!
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Thanks granpa!

Last time I checked the moderator wasn't fluent in english, they changed mods quite a few times so who knows whos mod know.
You did the right thing though making a thread complaing about it. Maybe you'd get a good respond
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Top right, icon that says "rules." There is your answer.
Mods typically PM the violator(s) individually.

@iwillkillyou: What if he doesnt get one? Will you go all bruce lee on their ass killing them and all?
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I'm curious, what threads have been shut down that should not have been? We absolute don't need "coming soon" and "OMG HAVE YOU SEEN THIS?!?!" threads in the development section, and there have been quite a few of those recently.

Duplicate post.

Todays thread was closed for failure to comply with rules, failure to act upon multiple omission requests and not responding to the pm from the mod in reference to these things.

xriderx66 said:
I appreciate that fact that we finally have some moderating going on these forums, but why are threads being closed, deleted with no reason?
Some threads, its obvious there's trollin' flaming etc.
but other's i just don't see why it is, and so i suggest to you mods that before closing the threads, you could say why it was, because if you just close it. People won't know what the thread had wrong with it, and may continue doing that...
Sorry for making a whole thread on this, but idk which mod is doing these since mmelo is gone for a while... so idk who to PM.
Sorry if this is in the Wrong section, there's no section that says "complains/suggestions/talk"
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=923568
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=920053

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=923568
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=920053
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The first thread was made over a month ago.
The second, thats not the kinds of threads I'm talking about

I'm not sure why XDA moderates the way they do but I'm sure they have a good reason for it. It seems it would be easier to set the forum to purge posts after x number of pages and then just close the problematic post with a reason instead of just deleting it.
As of right now there are 252 pages of posts, I'm sure ATLEAST 225 of those pages could be deleted and no one would care. If it was set to auto purge the locked thread would slowly hit say the x'th page and then be deleted automatically. Everyone is happy in the end.

sahil04 said:
I'm not sure why XDA moderates the way they do but I'm sure they have a good reason for it. It seems it would be easier to set the forum to purge posts after x number of pages and then just close the problematic post with a reason instead of just deleting it.
As of right now there are 252 pages of posts, I'm sure ATLEAST 225 of those pages could be deleted and no one would care. If it was set to auto purge the locked thread would slowly hit say the x'th page and then be deleted automatically. Everyone is happy in the end.
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I kinda agree with this. My comment is that the moderators do not have consistency in their actions. This makes it hard on people who are trying to understand what is acceptable and what is not. E.G. If X is not acceptable than that should ALWAYS be the case, but it is usually not.
Also I do agree with the IDEA to "Sunset" threads into an old archive. This would make the site less "Weighty" and for those who want to do research, they could by accessing a dedicated search tool only for that archive.

Moderators close threads because there are too many people on the site.
Head over to another android message board and post there. If enough people do that, then the moderators here won't have to worry about deleting threads and you posters can still have as many threads as you want.
Put your browser where your mouth is!

Tarzanman said:
Moderators close threads because there are too many people on the site.
Head over to another android message board and post there. If enough people do that, then the moderators here won't have to worry about deleting threads and you posters can still have as many threads as you want.
Put your browser where your mouth is!
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I assume you are kidding? Volume has NOTHING to do with threads being closed.

Tarzanman said:
Moderators close threads because there are too many people on the site.
Head over to another android message board and post there. If enough people do that, then the moderators here won't have to worry about deleting threads and you posters can still have as many threads as you want.
Put your browser where your mouth is!
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Wow, really? I highly, highly doubt that. That's like saying there are too many people in the us, and the government doesn't want to take care of them anymore.
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That's like saying there are too many people in the us, and the government doesn't want to take care of them anymore.
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I actually think that IS what's happening in the US lol

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I actually think that IS what's happening in the US lol
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Lol
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Sick of several things on XDA

Well I know XDA its ment for developers.. And they are kind enough to share their hard work with us.. Bringing new life to our devices and more..
Developers always gets piss off about stupid question and or issues reports without providing a logcat... While I'm agree with this.. I'm not agree with XDA letting average noob post in development section.. Looking at the nature of the forum I can not believe there's isn't a way to block a person from posting in development if that person at least doesn't have (3 months and 350 post) in the forums... That's Imho a reasonable period of learning how to be helpful and provide useful information in development area...
I look at the case of Francisco Franco.. I really enjoy his works and support him a lot.. I had his kernels when I had a Gnex and that + cm9 was the best experience of Android for me.. Then I've sold the gnex and bought the note and one of the reasons I came without thinking was franco kernels does support note.. For my surprise he stopped supporting because of the ****ing trolls about a bluetooth issue in the kernel and so we all rest has to pay for it not haven updates anymore...
Recently he came back and one of the very first welcome post was a random noob asking for the bluetooth again. ... And Ffs I don't want to lose Francisco support again... And he was very clear about it..
I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
Any user with those conditions not only be experienced enough to provide a logcat but will be scared of messing in development because he could get banned and lose his hard work in the account.....
That said I think there is no excuses to do so.. Look also to Entropy... I think the guy gotta buy a new keyboard every day raging at Noobs posting bs in cm9/10 developed threads..
XDA go ahead and take actions before we lose our developers
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Wisdom strong in this post is. Franco is a really good developer and I'm sad he left Note. He used to develop for my old Huawei before he left for GNex and his kernel rocked. :thumbup:
But... One shouldn't take the regular forum trolls too seriously. Just leave them crying in their own **** and move own. There is also the report function here.
I agree with you though that there is way too much idiots in the development forums. Just look at the new JB PA 1.1 thread: couple of first pages just full of posts "how do I install this?" "does this brick my phone!?" etc. So annoying to find the actual bug reports or feedbacks through all the ****. This is because people are way too lazy to actually study anything these days. Everything has to brought to them ready and chewed.
Edit: and there is also this one hero that already bricked his note with JB PA because he didn't care to study stuff before flashing. :banghead:
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Just report their posts. The mods are also sick of it and are handing out infractions, IIRC. I have yet to see a noob post again after reporting him, so it works very well.
It seems the original dev section doesn't have the 10 post requirement like the normal dev section. And most spam is from people with one or a few posts. It would definitely help to have that 10 post rule there.

pboesboes said:
Just report their posts. The mods are also sick of it and are handing out infractions, IIRC. I have yet to see a noob post again after reporting him, so it works very well.
It seems the original dev section doesn't have the 10 post requirement like the normal dev section. And most spam is from people with one or a few posts. It would definitely help to have that 10 post rule there.
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We can report.. But that won't stop the developer getting pissed and stopping development..
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I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...

Randomwalker said:
I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...
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Tbh there should be a read count for how many threads someone has read. :beer: That would just be a little hard to measure.
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I certainly agree on you with this one. But like in every other forum and the whole internet, you can't really prevent noobs and trolls. Trolls gotta troll man. Kinda hard to filter them out as it will require the mods to check every single day on every single thread with thousands of post on it and obviously that will take full time. Most of us specially moderators do this for a hobby.
Let's just do our part to make the community a better place. That is reporting trolls. Like the other guy said on the 2nd post, let's just click on that little report button and the mods will take care of the rest or you can just ignore the regular forum troll and move on like most of us do. An old internet saying "Don't feed the trolls" ignore them and the average forum troll will just hunt for the next trollable thread and will eventually get tired, while the persistent ones, well let's just keep on clicking the report button and wait for the banhammer to land
The post requirement or the tenureship in the forum is a fantastic idea though. Maybe even the thanks meter/level, like you could post even if you're not 3 months old or don't have 350 posts but if you do have a certain thanks level/meter you could post and access the restricted area of the forums. No one would press the thanks button if you didn't post something useful right?

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I don't think post count is a good indicator at all: There are ppl. with 1000+ posts posting general rants in device specific forums...
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put categories as "devs" and restrict allowed posts to those people only. then cross referrence the thread to a discussion page for noobs and others to bash each other.
those who wish to post in the dev section should provide a fully working firmware for downloads and testing purposes for the ones designated as "testers" on xda.
i know its a lot of work, but its a solution if the admin will put the political will to it.
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msedek said:
Well I know XDA its ment for developers.. And they are kind enough to share their hard work with us.. Bringing new life to our devices and more..
Developers always gets piss off about stupid question and or issues reports without providing a logcat... While I'm agree with this.. I'm not agree with XDA letting average noob post in development section.. Looking at the nature of the forum I can not believe there's isn't a way to block a person from posting in development if that person at least doesn't have (3 months and 350 post) in the forums... That's Imho a reasonable period of learning how to be helpful and provide useful information in development area...
I look at the case of Francisco Franco.. I really enjoy his works and support him a lot.. I had his kernels when I had a Gnex and that + cm9 was the best experience of Android for me.. Then I've sold the gnex and bought the note and one of the reasons I came without thinking was franco kernels does support note.. For my surprise he stopped supporting because of the ****ing trolls about a bluetooth issue in the kernel and so we all rest has to pay for it not haven updates anymore...
Recently he came back and one of the very first welcome post was a random noob asking for the bluetooth again. ... And Ffs I don't want to lose Francisco support again... And he was very clear about it..
I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
Any user with those conditions not only be experienced enough to provide a logcat but will be scared of messing in development because he could get banned and lose his hard work in the account.....
That said I think there is no excuses to do so.. Look also to Entropy... I think the guy gotta buy a new keyboard every day raging at Noobs posting bs in cm9/10 developed threads..
XDA go ahead and take actions before we lose our developers
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Although you have a point here i really don't like the idea. Ok we need to restrict the troll posts but..... once you were a noob too !!!! What we see now is that this site has grown to numbers never seen before. In the early days there were only a handfull users, a few devices and not much to do. Nowadays if you have a problem EVERYBODY refers to this forum from other places. So basicly we have a flood of new, unexperienced, people that just have one big problem: THEY DON'T READ!!!! I've been a member for a long time now, learned a lot just by reading and only post when i think it's usefull to the comunity. Even after all this time i still sometimes ask questions like a noob, should i be blocked???
There is one solution for this problem: NOT allowing to post untill they have at least read a few posts MARKED as an obligation. But i don't think it's possible.
What we see here is the growing of a forum with soo many devices and people, i think about a year or two this will stabelize :laugh::laugh::laugh:
becosemsaida

Sometimes the trolls you are referring to are actually innocent noobs who are afraid of bricking their new Notes. They just want to double check some crucial things before attempting risky procedures.
Were we not all noobs at one point in our lives?
I know both trolls and noobs can be really frustrating but many of the members here can be quite impatient, responding rudely and degrading the once-friendly community.
I do agree with you though and I definitely think changes need to be made to ensure the development thread remains strictly development related. But I also think changes should be made to some members attitude too.

praetorius said:
put categories as "devs" and restrict allowed posts to those people only. then cross referrence the thread to a discussion page for noobs and others to bash each other.
those who wish to post in the dev section should provide a fully working firmware for downloads and testing purposes for the ones designated as "testers" on xda.
i know its a lot of work, but its a solution if the admin will put the political will to it.
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I abandoned a forum in my country due to "laws /rules" like that. Things were just getting out of proportion that it is impossible to help people there. Unfortunatly the mods over there think that they are god and if you make a reference about this forum or about rooting you will get banned !!!! I don't think that it's the future of this forum..
Restrict some topics to people that have more then xx months or xx posts will help. But i don't think it's possible to do. And what a bout people like me, i only read here, learn and do not post often. I don't have time to make a rom or custom firmware and come here for leasure ??? Am i elegible for seeing everything...... As you see it is very hard to make the choise about who can have full accesws and who doesn't.
becosemsaida

Write on development section thread should have some restriction.
And thank meter is one good criteria (just being member since long/posting just certain number of post dont make skilled)
if member have at least 10-20 thank meter he/she must have some skill and may not post noob Q.
There is always Q/A section is open for newbies.

this needs to be said.....
i have to call you out on this. The OP has been posting bizarre and rambling questions in DEV threads, getting all pissed off when ppl ask him not too, and has even admitted to not wanting to bother reading the thread because he is not that stupid.
It is people LIKE YOU that are bringing this place down.
If you cant be bothered searching or reading, you DO NOT BELONG on a development website. end of story.
If you want to make your phone look pretty to impress your mates, go some place else. XDA is all about the journey - the end result is not so important. its about trying things yourself and sharing knowledge. If you are just lucky enough, you might even be able to help someone out!
do not come here to whinge and flame others when you break the rules (do NOT post in a dev thread if it is not directly related to the development of that thread).
Also, you have to wonder how a user of 4 months has over 1000 posts, and some members have been here for years with only 500 posts.....
/rant

little-vince said:
Sometimes the trolls you are referring to are actually innocent noobs who are afraid of bricking their new Notes. They just want to double check some crucial things before attempting risky procedures.
Were we not all noobs at one point in our lives?
I know both trolls and noobs can be really frustrating but many of the members here can be quite impatient, responding rudely and degrading the once-friendly community.
I do agree with you though and I definitely think changes need to be made to ensure the development thread remains strictly development related. But I also think changes should be made to some members attitude too.
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So? When I was uncertain about something I posted it in either the general or Q/A section. Why the hell should anyone be posting questions in the dev section?
And no, despite contrary belief, some people are newbies, some people are noobs. Not everyone used to be a noob. There is a massive void between the two. A newbie is one that is self-learning and is capable of exercising some semblance of common sense with regards to forum rules and forum etiquette when he joins a new forum.
So please, if you want to consider yourself a noob at one point, go right ahead. But do not make sweeping statements that everyone was a noob.

trolls and noobs should rot in hell
as for noobs,reading and jesus saves....
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So? When I was uncertain about something I posted it in either the general or Q/A section. Why the hell should anyone be posting questions in the dev section?
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And I completely agree with you. So why are you being all pissy about it?
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And no, despite contrary belief, some people are newbies, some people are noobs. Not everyone used to be a noob. There is a massive void between the two. A newbie is one that is self-learning and is capable of exercising some semblance of common sense with regards to forum rules and forum etiquette when he joins a new forum.
So please, if you want to consider yourself a noob at one point, go right ahead. But do not make sweeping statements that everyone was a noob.
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Well clearly my definition of a noob/n00b/newb/newbie is different to yours. So I apologise if my "sweeping statement" offended you (and/or anyone else).
Are we not fighting for the same thing here?
Gee fricken wizz.

msedek said:
I think XDA SHOULD block as I said earlier users with the double conditional of (3 month old account and 350 post) from writing on development.. They could read and download but not write..
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I think XDA should do nothing here.
There are no real reasons to rage at some users posts.
There's nothing SO bad about it.
You can always press 'report' button if some super-mega-trolls come to your thread (I haven't seen any yet)
As for me, XDA community is currently not so friendly as it should be.
Devs raging at most of the posts, advanced users trolling noobs...
That's really not so nice.
Blocking users with small post count or small thanks count, etc is unacceptable in my opinion. Really.
Maybe XDA is meant for developers, but developers can't exist without users they are developing for.

Here is Example, why we should need some control
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29501802&postcount=91
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upgrades to lrk from lrg yesterday. No issues with deep sleep in both 404 version. Battery lasts more than a day. I am a very heavy user. I am satisfied with the performance, battery consumption.
I always factory reset after flashing a rom. You can do that but at your own risk. I am aware of the brick bug but i have don't at least till 40 times on stock kernel and no issues so far.
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jaskiratsingh said:
I have factory reset over 40 times on stock ICS kernel and no issue so far.
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That's not a noob issue.............This is just a person that is STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!
I already called his atention but that is going to be a full days work with all these............ (glup)

becosemsaida said:
That's not a noob issue.............This is just a person that is STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!
I already called his atention but that is going to be a full days work with all these............ (glup)
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This I agree, sometimes it's not that they're noob, it's that they're kiasu, as we Singaporeans call it. They spam devs with stupid questions, since it's free to ask anyway, and expect people to be free 24/7 to reply.
Also, many devs hate XDA. Because much dev work is not being appreciated here. In the Acer Iconia A500 section, both devs "Thor2002pro" and "dexter_nlb" have made amazing contributions to the community, but many *******s don't appreciate what they have done. They have left subsequently.
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Devs only, lol

Im no dev, so, for what ive seen, I should not be able to post on devs forums even if im replying to someone's question. So instead of getting bullied out of the forums, im gonna suggest to mods to ban anyone like me who's just a senior member from the dev forum to avoid all those "move your stupid question to the q&a thread recently created mumbo jumbo whatever ever and change your post with moved to wherever".
Most people here are not devs. I dont mean to disrespect any dev or anyone who share their work, but, I think this kind of changes just made things difficult to devs and end users alike having to look to two threads to find an answer or to answer. Mostly because google brings better search results about xda than the xda search option.
Maybe I get a post regarding this one about moving it to hell.
A lot of really plain sarcasm mixed with plain truth.
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FCORivers said:
Maybe I get a post regarding this one about moving it to hell.
A lot of really plain sarcasm mixed with plain truth.
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lol, you may hear it but definitely not from me
q&a threads are new for me too (been on xda a few years ago, lurking before registering. and a lot has changed since then.
it's just that dev threads are getting a lot of same questions asked again and again, with some people responding in the beginning and later bullying. it's normal. just reading the rom thread and going to q&a thread to post a question is not difficult. meanwhile dev thread should be for posting bugs and solutions and updates. it makes the whole thread a lot more easy to follow

FCORivers said:
Im no dev, so, for what ive seen, I should not be able to post on devs forums even if im replying to someone's question. So instead of getting bullied out of the forums, im gonna suggest to mods to ban anyone like me who's just a senior member from the dev forum to avoid all those "move your stupid question to the q&a thread recently created mumbo jumbo whatever ever and change your post with moved to wherever".
Most people here are not devs. I dont mean to disrespect any dev or anyone who share their work, but, I think this kind of changes just made things difficult to devs and end users alike having to look to two threads to find an answer or to answer. Mostly because google brings better search results about xda than the xda search option.
Maybe I get a post regarding this one about moving it to hell.
A lot of really plain sarcasm mixed with plain truth.
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Which devs forums are you talking about? As far as I know, you can post there as long as it is helpful, no matter what it is or what rank you are.
As gilbert said, it's just to keep away the n00bs who can't bother to read.
Edit: @Kameirus Exactly.

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As gilbert said, it's just to keep away the n00bs who can't bother to read.
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which is 89 percent of users

Dont get me wrong, I understand but still think that for this rules to work we need an effective way to search xda. Ive been ignored before when asking something which is already answered, but all this "move your post to somewhere else" and "then editing your post on said thread and moving it to another" is annoying and just add more post without being useful to anyone. If the question was answered then ignore like before.
I know my comments wont make any difference. That doesn't mean I wont be reading and posting any more, lol.
On other topic, why would you want to keep away the noobs? Weren't we all noobs at some point? Or everyone was a recognized developer and android/linux experts when first registered on xda? I still dont know jack about anything. I know how to read and write.
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Marvlesz said:
Which devs forums are you talking about? As far as I know, you can post there as long as it is helpful, no matter what it is or what rank you are.
As gilbert said, it's just to keep away the n00bs who can't bother to read.
Edit: @Kameirus Exactly.
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Well, I got another of the post mentioned before because I shared my setup on a specific rom so another user could find the problem on his install. At least I thought I was helping, btw, the post has been there for about 3 weeks before I got the "you are ot cause this is not dev related".
And im talking about this forums, I own an HD2, an O1, and SGS2, all from T-Mobile. The hd2 is the one I love flashing the most.
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@FCORivers
not everyone are noobs.
people who search before posting aren't noobs. people who read before posting aren't noobs
people who ask "hoe brinj hd2 android phnoe in start bot" and similar stuff are noobs. people who don't even bother searching are noobs. people know how to read and write, but those who don't bother doing them correctly are noobs.
people who come to new roms' threads and post bugs posted in op and in first few pages are noobs. and unfortunately those end up on xda via google or youtube.
posting a question is not wrong, but expecting the development thread to be a user manual and consumer support is just wrong. this is one of the reasons q&a threads exist.
and why keep the noobs away? lets just remove the 10 post rule, let noobs fill development threads with "how instal zs ram" and "hoe flash kernil" and "phone bricked" and "my mother punished me for phone not turn on any more". what's easier??
I'm very sure that posting a question in a dev thread and moving it to q&a and leaving a note that it's been moved isn't something hard.
I'm not trying to be lame by any way.
Gilbert

FCORivers said:
Dont get me wrong, I understand but still think that for this rules to work we need an effective way to search xda. Ive been ignored before when asking something which is already answered, but all this "move your post to somewhere else" and "then editing your post on said thread and moving it to another" is annoying and just add more post without being useful to anyone. If the question was answered then ignore like before.
I know my comments wont make any difference. That doesn't mean I wont be reading and posting any more, lol.
On other topic, why would you want to keep away the noobs? Weren't we all noobs at some point? Or everyone was a recognized developer and android/linux experts when first registered on xda? I still dont know jack about anything. I know how to read and write.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2439

Marvlesz said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2439
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exactly. what i said was inspired by this and another post(i forgot where from)

I still think you havent understood me.
I have been ignored when asking stupid qs before, I dont think q&a threads are users guides. If the post is about something already asked, ignore it, if it is stated in op ignore it. Its not about that. Its about polluting a thread asking people to move their posts. Do you think my post is polluting cause is not dev related? What about two post instead which arent dev related? I never access this site via pc or laptop and never ever on my phones web browser which makes moving posts a little bit more complicated than over pc. Why dont get a pm from the same mod to ask you to do that and kindly ask devs to add q&a link in op? Most devs have done that already. So if a noob still fails to follow the rules then a kind pm reminding him/her the rules. But a "deleted post" or "moved post" is still not dev related, there will be a post non the less. Mod posted about new q&a threads, I know.
I dont expect anyone to agree and probably language has something to do with me not being able to make a point here as English is not my native language. Its just that I feel like a little kid getting reprimanded cause most of the time ( im not perfect) I thoroughly searched before posting and still have missed some answers.
As I mentioned before, I had a post like that for sharing my setup. My post was there for about 3 weeks before I got reprimanded. So I see it like the mod wants his new authority to be noticed.
I wont post anymore on dev threads if I dont find my answer on the q&a thread with out detailed info and logcat, got it, but going back 3 weeks on an unattended, almost forgotten rom thread (sorry dev, not meaning anything bad about the rom, I liked it for a while) is what I was complaining for.
Yes im an old crybaby, lol.
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Marvlesz said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2439
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Thanks for the read.
But I dont care if that post has 2 million thanks and states what is right, is not really what ive seen in this forums. You dont have to be my friend to be friendly, you dont have to be rude either. Ignoring works miracles, lol.
Havent got a post like that in any other device forum here on xda.
Nah, ignore this one too.
Edit: forget every little thing. Just my bad attitude mixed with a stupid misunderstanding.
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Please, kind Mod, delete this topic/thread.
Thanks.
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FCORivers said:
Please, kind Mod, delete this topic/thread.
Thanks.
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Use the small triangle next to the OP to report the thread instead of bringing it up