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I'm not really too sure what engadget is trying to get across. The only thing I saw was the microscopic shot comparison as having any validity. But even then, if you need to 10x magnify a screen to see the difference, is it really worth it?
Then, they go and show pictures of the Super AMOLED display, which people are going to be seeing on an LCD!
So I took it upon myself to write up an article on my group blog, *visually* showing what the difference truly is.
Disclaimer: I own/operate the blog to the article link I am about to post.
http://www.brainlazy.com/article/smartphone/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s
Let me know what you guys think. I'm currently getting all of the features into a Galaxy S review.
Nice analogies man hahaha. Good read
The Galaxy S camera isn't "Back-side illuminated" - you should correct your comparison table.
You really need to get your eyes checked if you need to be closer than 30 cm to see the pixels of the pentile screen. The only thing better about the Super Amoled screen is the blacklevels - that's it(besides size that is). The colors are off, the whites are pretty dim, the shadow detail is usually colored(due to the pixel structure) and you can clearly see color-banding which you cannot on the IPS display of the iPhone.
The Galaxy S is a better phone imho, but when it comes to the display the iPhone 4 has the SGS beaten.
EDIT: The SGS has a a Li-Ion battery not Li-Pol.
Anyone speak Italian?! If so look at this: youtube.com/watch?v=NMsl7ceJuK4
Hey guys, thanks for the input. Does anyone have a link to the camera sensor? I had asked a Samsung Representative if they used a back-side illuminated cmos sensor and they replied in the affirmative.
Also, on this page: http://galaxys.samsungmobile.com/specification/spec.html?ver=low
They list the battery type at 1500 mAh li-pol.
I do agree the interpolated nature of the display has color banding issues, however, pixel density is a bit over rated. If you are critical of the SGS display at 30cm, I wonder how you've managed to cope with every computer monitor available today at 60cm. Even a 20" screen at 1080p is 111PPI, FAR lower than the SGS even with accounting for PenTile Matrix.
And if you can only list black levels as superior to LCD, maybe you need to play more fast paced video games. Response rate is critical. Between black levels and response rate, these are attributes that LCD will never be able to attain.
About color accuracy, I guess it's a toss up. Muddy blacks or color banding. Providing the amount of gradiation isn't intense, it's (almost) a non-issue. Shadowing (like you said) in media is a worry. But for most applications, you generally don't see long sprawling gradients.
And, I suppose pixel density is also subjective. I'd prefer to have true black and an immediate response rate. Also, while I can see the tiny little dots of pixels on my SGS at 30cm, they blend it very nice. Much nicer than my desktop monitor.
superb article. hilarious and [email protected]
Agreed, I had a blast reading the article.
It's a perfect to explain the difference to the technically challenged people that thinks Iphone4 is the holly grail.
now, the next best way to show technically challenged people is by having another one of these cool comparison but using an Iphone4 instead.
HTC Desire vs. Galaxy S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpP5QljEqow
assuming some one manages to run Quake 2 on an Iphone4 LOL
btw in the chart near the end, you listed the gyro as Captivate model only, but its on all us models as far as I'm aware
Yea, I have to update the info since the NYC event. Also Samsung used lower numbers for response rate and contrast ratio, so I have to change my dollars/cents thing.
They lowered it exactly by half on each. So instead of 100,000:1 CR, they said 50,000:1. And instead of Response rate at 1 micro second they said 10 microseconds. Which is an order of magnitude different, but still very very nice.
Basically the the money will be chopped in half. Either way, I double checked with a Samsung rep and when I fix those things up, the chart will be accurate.
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Thanks. Great article.
Can't see the images though.
thephawx said:
I'm not really too sure what engadget is trying to get across. The only thing I saw was the microscopic shot comparison as having any validity. But even then, if you need to 10x magnify a screen to see the difference, is it really worth it?
Then, they go and show pictures of the Super AMOLED display, which people are going to be seeing on an LCD!
So I took it upon myself to write up an article on my group blog, *visually* showing what the difference truly is.
Disclaimer: I own/operate the blog to the article link I am about to post.
http://www.brainlazy.com/article/smartphone/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s
Let me know what you guys think. I'm currently getting all of the features into a Galaxy S review.
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Yea the images are missing for me too! When i click where they should be, i get a 404 not found error.
Samsung is a genious...
Many dumbasses would say "The Galaxy S" doesnt have Flash is a BAD THING..
But to me.. its a GOOD THING ... iPhone 4 uses Single LED flash... This type of flash doesnt even have enough power to make a difference in your picture quality.. its more like a BULL**** feature to trick noobs to buy it.
You need at least a Dual LED/Xenon Flash...
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The only thing better about the Super Amoled screen is the blacklevels - that's it(besides size that is). The colors are off, the whites are pretty dim, the shadow detail is usually colored(due to the pixel structure) and you can clearly see color-banding which you cannot on the IPS display of the iPhone.
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Your kidding right? I've compared my phone to my mates iPhone 4 and the SGS is clearly superior. It has far better color and webpages are easily readable without zooming in whereas on the iPhone, it's a different story.
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness. He has also returned his new iPhone and continues to use his 3g instead which aesthetically, looks better than the iPhone 4.
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Your kidding right? I've compared my phone to my mates iPhone 4 and the SGS is clearly superior. It has far better color and webpages are easily readable without zooming in whereas on the iPhone, it's a different story.
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness. He has also returned his new iPhone and continues to use his 3g instead which aesthetically, looks better than the iPhone 4.
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How come he returned his iphone4 is he going to get a Samsung S?
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Your kidding right? I've compared my phone to my mates iPhone 4 and the SGS is clearly superior. It has far better color and webpages are easily readable without zooming in whereas on the iPhone, it's a different story.
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness. He has also returned his new iPhone and continues to use his 3g instead which aesthetically, looks better than the iPhone 4.
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I'll take the Galaxy S hands down any day of the week, particularly the screen and OS. However,
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness.
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I just flat out disagree with this testing procedure. It's borderline retarded IMHO.
[*]Firstly, especially with the webpages with reading (the thing you brought up half a line prior, though albeit in a different paragraph) reading demands low brightness.
[*]Secondly, read the posts here, everyone is turning the brightness to "0%", low, and even download an app that brings that "0%" down to true 0% rather than the 8% that it actually uses. People are doing this because it's easier on the eyes, saves battery and a multitude of other reasons.
[*]Thirdly, this screen is plenty bright without full brightness. Even in direct sunlight you don't need this at full brightness, the screen is that good (again, love it)
Really, in summary, the way you should test both devices is the real-world usage scenario. Anything else and all you are doing is showing off it's potential, not it's practical use. Again, I think I've posted here or another thread or both how much I was against the Engadget test, particularly because they lead with the macro lens shots. To me, that was sensationalist, they were trying to either get "oohs and ahhs" or make Apple look as good as possible. Either way, that's journalism at its worst and not even something I want to read in a blog I visit. However, to do something like turn brightness up all the way is just a tiny bit better...unless this is actually how you or your friend would use the device regularly. Again, I believe that each device can even, have an independent setting, one at 0% and one at 100% if that's how the user would typically use the device. To get back to my Engadget point, that's why it's important to give as many views and settings as possible. Compare them all, find out where one's strengths lie because you have such a wide audience. However, I'm not sure how many people use a macro lens to view their device on a daily basis, so leading with that is just retarded. Do I think it's completely irrelevant? Maybe not as perhaps there are some people who wouldn't get the detail needed because they have near super-human perfect vision where they can detect all these things that are too minor to even be called subtleties.
I have to say that in terms for average daily use, there isn't any real practical difference between the two phones at face value. I have a SGS, my wife has the iPhone 4 btw. But that being said, after spending any length of time with the iPhone 4, you will notice a difference once you go back to the SGS. If may not be initially obvious, but your eyes will be able to discern the difference.
If you're using the phone to read mucho text, I'm sorry, there is no way the SGS can trump the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 retina display is a beautiful one and I guarantee that if you use both for decent amount of time with an unbiased mind, you WILL notice the difference in terms of text definition and clarity.
However, when it comes to motion and movies, the SGS takes a dump all over the iphone. The iPhone, whilst still great to watch movies on, can't compare to the far superior contrast, colours, and vibrancy of the SGS AMOLED screen. When you have motion on screen and you're not squinting at text, the high pixel density, to me, almost doesn't even factor into the equation anymore.
So there's my two cents. I wouldn't trade my SGS for her iPhone 4 at all, however, I would probably sing a different tune if I did a lot of e-reading or web browsing on my phone. After using the iPhone to browse text for even a few minutes, I hated going back and doing the same on my SGS. Anyway, to say one display is practically (not technically) superior to the other only depends on the purpose of which you'll be using it for. Both are great and I don't see why people have to argue the point that one has to be better than the other.
hmm... i like reading my webpages at full brighness
i hate dim LCD or any kind of screens
Ptechnix said:
I have to say that in terms for average daily use, there isn't any real practical difference between the two phones at face value. I have a SGS, my wife has the iPhone 4 btw. But that being said, after spending any length of time with the iPhone 4, you will notice a difference once you go back to the SGS. If may not be initially obvious, but your eyes will be able to discern the difference.
If you're using the phone to read mucho text, I'm sorry, there is no way the SGS can trump the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 retina display is a beautiful one and I guarantee that if you use both for decent amount of time with an unbiased mind, you WILL notice the difference in terms of text definition and clarity.
However, when it comes to motion and movies, the SGS takes a dump all over the iphone. The iPhone, whilst still great to watch movies on, can't compare to the far superior contrast, colours, and vibrancy of the SGS AMOLED screen. When you have motion on screen and you're not squinting at text, the high pixel density, to me, almost doesn't even factor into the equation anymore.
So there's my two cents. I wouldn't trade my SGS for her iPhone 4 at all, however, I would probably sing a different tune if I did a lot of e-reading or web browsing on my phone. After using the iPhone to browse text for even a few minutes, I hated going back and doing the same on my SGS. Anyway, to say one display is practically (not technically) superior to the other only depends on the purpose of which you'll be using it for. Both are great and I don't see why people have to argue the point that one has to be better than the other.
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Agree completely. My uses is what got me into the device. However, a guy come on here saying he was going to use this like an e-reader (novels) first and foremost, webpage viewer in the house on wifi quite a bit, with the tiniest bit of PMP qualities. He was asking something specifically about what apps to get IIRC, I told him to buy a Kindle, iPad or iPhone 4 (I think I rated the iPhone 4 above the iPad because of the portability that he desired, but can't quite remember). If I wasn't into A/V (plus an Android fan) I might not have this device.
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hmm... i like reading my webpages at full brighness
i hate dim LCD or any kind of screens
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That's cool, to each their own. I can see webpages being a bit more brightness required than e-ink, but as I said just in my opinion, this device is just flat out bright. But I think it's both of our opposite tastes here that made Samsung put in an independent (I think that's how it works rather than in aggregate with, though perhaps there is some mix...don't really care as I leave both all the way down) brightness control into the web browser. So you won't have to adjust your brightness up when going to the web and if I happened to be walking around on a sunny day I wouldn't have to adjust it downwards.
TriC_101 said:
Samsung is a genious...
Many dumbasses would say "The Galaxy S" doesnt have Flash is a BAD THING..
But to me.. its a GOOD THING ... iPhone 4 uses Single LED flash... This type of flash doesnt even have enough power to make a difference in your picture quality.. its more like a BULL**** feature to trick noobs to buy it.
You need at least a Dual LED/Xenon Flash...
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not true..i have an iphone 4 and a Galaxy S. the flash helped the iphone cam a LOT......not a gimmic...no its not the best flash..but its better than none for sure
I have a dilemma...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4136&idPhone2=4135
i want the Galaxy Note because of it's newer features, but i want the 7.7 size of the Galaxy Tablet, actually i want 10.1 but it's not SAMOLED HD, the Note is only 5.3 not big enough as a tablet, yet not small enough as a phone
i've seen and used the Gnote in person and it's big. way bigger than my SGS2. but not big enough to see games in a bigger screen
so the 7.7 is as good as it gets until the release a 10.1 SAMOLED HD version
the spec on the 7.7 seems a little bit dated vs the Note 5.3 (camera MP, resolution 720 vs 1080, and many many others)
so i'm really unsure about the purchase
if i got for the 7.7 i'll probably go for the 64 GB version or at least 32 GB like on the Note
ideally i'd like to use 3G on either of the two, but both are not compatible with Tmo AWS 1700
it'd have been a simple purchase if the 7.7 had the same spec as the 5.3 except for the better screen
The Note and the 7.7 both have the same resolution.
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note/spec.html?type=find
Really, the Note's strengths are in its digitizer pen and pocket-ability. I can't see keeping both a Galaxy 2 and the Note. It's kind of odd how many niches Samsung is trying to fill, but they're all pretty solid products so there can be a dilemma when choosing. If you just want a larger SAMOLED screen then you may have to wait.
SGT7.7 is using the better screen SAMOLED+ = RGB matrix
while the Note is only using the SAMOLED HD = Pentile matrix
I have a Note, and I have a Tab 8.9 LTE (not Tegra!) and an SGS2.
I haven't touched the SGS2 in three weeks. I rarely use the Tab now. I use the hell out of my Note. I also have a 1st-gen Tab 7" 3G, which is now a very expensive alarm clock.
That said, I'm still going to buy a 7.7 3G. It's just too sexy to resist that big SAMOLED HD Plus display combined with Exynos, in a thin, mostly metal case.
Don't know how much real use I'll get out of it if I keep the Note though.
GT-P6800 vs GT-N7000: FIGHT!!!
Since I currently have both devices, I'll give you my take on them in their own right. Bear in mind, this is my own personal review based on my own experiences with each. So whichever one I favour in the end is really just my own opinion; your experiences may favour a different opinion, and as such, it's really down to the individual as to which one is ultimately better for you. That said, the Galaxy Tab 7.7 and the Galaxy Note are absolutely fantastic devices, and I love them both.
By now, most of us know that these devices are very similar on the inside, so I'm going to break this down by their differences instead. Mainly I'm going to focus on the most obvious differences like screen, battery, camera, form factor, and x-factor (like things which can't really be put on a spec sheet).
So let's begin!
Screen:
Let me just start this section by saying that both screens are absolutely gorgeous! Both have a 1280x800 resolution but that's about where the similarities end. The Note features Samsung's HD SAMOLED display technology vs the 7.7's HD SAMOLED Plus technology. Now, there's a lot of hoo-ha going on about the inferiority of the PenTile subpixel arrangement that the Note uses, and that it would have been just that much better had it been the same kind of RGB subpixel matrix used in the Galaxy S2 (and the 7.7 for that matter!). To this is say in the most respectful manner possible, QUIT YOUR MOANING!!! It makes complete sense as to why Samsung chose to use the PenTile pixel arrangement with the Note due to its smaller size; you can achieve a higher resolution with fewer subpixels. If Samsung had gone with an RGB arrangement instead, with today's current technology, either the screen would have had to have been bigger, or the resolution lower (maybe qHD or something). On top of that, I actually kinda like the way that the PenTile display seems to dither and/or anti-alias images. So oblique angles appear sharper and less pixelated. Text on the Note is crisp and easy to read, even without having to zoom in. On top of that, since PenTile uses more green subpixels than either red or blue, and since human eyes are more sensitive to green, the Note's display appears to be noticeably brighter than the 7.7
Now for the 7.7's display, and oh what a great display this is! If you've ever seen or used the SAMOLED Plus displays found on the Galaxy S2 or other Samsung products using the same technology, you'll feel right at home with the 7.7; it's the same exact thing, only bigger and more of it! What's not to like? Not much really. The only thing I find worth noting when comparing the 7.7's display to the Note, apart from the difference in the subpixel design which I have already talked about, is the brightness. The 7.7 doesn't really appear to be as bright as one might expect. However, what the 7.7 lacks in brightness, it more than makes up for in colour accuracy. The 7.7 reproduces colours which are warmer and more natural looking than what you might see on the Note. Even when I compared my 7.7 to my 8.9 side by side, the 7.7 wasn't as bright as the IPS panel in that device, though there was no competition with the 7.7's contrast levels or colour reproduction. All in all, the 7.7's screen is absolutely brilliant. Its refinement means that it focuses on being the best it can be in all areas rather than having to exaggerate one strength in order to distract the user from any would-be downfalls.
EDGE: Draw.
At the end of the day, both screens are winners because they are best suited to the respective sizes of the devices they're on, which leads me to the next category.
Form factor:
Which do you prefer: A small, slim, lightweight tablet that can double as your phone? Or do you prefer a jumbo sized phone which packs the power and versatility of being able to play the role of a tablet?
This one really comes down to the individual and their lifestyle, so it's very hard to remain objective here.
As a phone, the Note is massive. Once I had become used to the sheer size of it, my old Galaxy S2 felt utterly tiny in my hand for comparison. It's a really strange feeling which you have to experience yourself in order to fully understand. Having said that though, once you get used to it, it feels just like any other smartphone, only better. As someone with pretty big hands, having the extra real estate makes texting a breeze. Viewing web pages is also a much more pleasant experience than on any smartphone I have ever used, period. As large as the Note is for a phone, it was surprisingly pocketable. I rarely had an issue where it didn't comfortably slip right into my everyday trousers or jeans without a fuss. Finally, I never found it to be as awkward as I had expected when it came to the times I had to hold it up to my ear to take the occasional phone call either. I was half expecting to look like a fool holding something so massive as the Note up to my head, but it's really not an issue. It felt obvious to me that Samsung took a lot of care into making sure that the Note would push, but not exceed, the boundaries of what is the best and most comfortable fit for everyday people in most situations, and that's what makes it great.
On the other hand, the 7.7 feels amazing! When I first picked it up out of the box, I was almost startled by how thin and light it is! If Samsung had announced that the 7.7 could double as your razor blade, and you could effectively use it to shave, I could totally see that being a real possibility. Yeah, it's like that. Perhaps it's a good thing that the 7.7 is encased in lovely brushed aluminium to weight it down lest I'd be worried that it would simply float away in a light breeze. For me, the 7.7 hits the sweet spot as a tablet. I have owned both the original Galaxy Tab as well as the 8.9. With the original, I loved how portable it was, but the screen size and resolution left me wanting just a little bit more. For a while I had the 8.9, but compared to the original, it felt just a little too cumbersome and unwieldy for me. With the 7.7, I think Samsung has finally cracked it! It's just big enough that I can still have a full tablet experience, yet it's still just small enough that I can very easily slip it into a vest or coat pocket, with no ill effect. It's nice not having to carry it around in a separate man-purse. Absolutely brilliant! I will say however, that holding it up to your head to take the occasional phone call does look quite ridiculous... However, this embarrassment can easily be avoided by using either the included earphones or bluetooth. Problem solved. I should mention that I have a Samsung HM5000 on its way, so we'll see how that changes or improves the overall experience. Overall though, the 7.7 is still fantastic as both tablet and phone.
EDGE: Draw.
Again, this all comes down to the individual, so in an effort to remain objective on a very subjective category, I can't really award an edge to either device.
Camera:
I'll be completely honest here: The 7.7's 3mp shooter can't even touch the 8mp beauty packed into the Note. To say that the 7.7's main camera is adequate, is about the nicest thing I can say for it overall. Though both units can record 720p video (with the Note being able to take it a step further by doing 1080p as well), the pictures and video captured by the 7.7 are very grainy in comparison. Why Samsung chose to forego a better shooter with 7.7 is beyond my understanding. Perhaps size and/or cost restrictions. Who knows?
So, if you take a lot of pictures, and camera quality is a big issue for you, then you're best off going with the Note on this one. However, if a stellar camera is more of a bonus than a selling point for you, the 7.7's shooter is, as I said, adequate. Either way, the Note's camera is the clear winner here.
EDGE: Note.
Battery:
The Note features a whopping 2500mah battery compared to a stellar 5000mah battery found in the 7.7
Though the 7.7's battery is literally twice as powerful as the Note's, it is having to power a much larger screen. Obviously, battery performance all depends on your usage, so your own experience could vary considerably. Having said that, with both devices I rarely had any issues with getting through a whole day of moderate to heavy usage and still having some power to spare. Now this is moderate to heavy usage with the screens both set to full brightness levels mind you. If you take advantage of the built-in power management features and reduce your screen brightness, I have little doubt in my mind that you can very easily go a couple days of moderate usage without having to worry about charging.
In my experience, I would say that both devices are about equal when it comes to battery performance.
EDGE: Draw.
X-Factor:
This is the category to describe what makes each of these devices special in their own way.
For the Note, the obvious x-factor is the s-pen. For some people, this is a huge selling point. Steve Jobs once said that if you're using a stylus, you're doing it wrong. As much as it pains me to admit, I think he was right... to an extent. The fact that there are a plethora of after-market capacitive styli available for use on our modern touch-screen devices is evidence to the fact that a lot of people still want something to hold in their hands as a way of interacting with their equipment. Anyone who has tried to take handwritten notes using their fingers alone knows this truth; the pen was invented for a reason. Fortunately, Samsung had the creative vision to pose the question, "Why not not have the best of both worlds?" Thus the Note was born. It's important to remember that the s-pen is no ordinary stylus. In fact, Samsung prefers not to even call it that, and no wonder! It would be virtually insulting to call the s-pen a mere stylus, because in many ways, it's really much much more. The s-pen isn't actually capacitive at all in fact. Instead, it uses the very same industry leading technology found in Wacom tablets used by many artists today. To have that same technology in the palm of your hand is truly a worthy x-factor for the Note.
For the 7.7, the x-factor is its very own design and build quality. I'm not sure how to accurately put into words just how well built the 7.7 is and, in turn, just how much of a difference that makes for how it feels in your hands. You really have to hold it to fully comprehend what I mean. Every inch of it feels so well thought out and crafted to perfection. The thought of putting it in an after-market case of some sort, or slapping some screen protector on it just feels sacrilegious in some way; kinda like with what George Lucas has done in his Star Wars remakes. Leave it as it is and appreciate it for its own magnificence. It's rare to see Samsung use this level of quality in the materials it chooses for making its devices. In this particular case, the 7.7 has "premium" written all over it. In short, it's a work of art. Well done Samsung!
EDGE: Draw
Other thoughts and conclusion:
It's incredible to realize just how much we are able to do with our mobile devices today compared to 2 years ago, or 5, or 10, etc. The idea of bringing single device with you which could fill the roles of a phone, GPS, media player, camera, laptop, etc. is something that, at one point, seemed nearly impossible. Yet here we are. We have come to a point where we expect and demand that our devices be capable of doing all these things effortlessly, on-demand, on the go, untethered, and unlimited. So, with regard to the Note and the 7.7 (and indeed any mobile device), the question is: how well can these devices live up to our demands and expectations?
For me, the overall winner here is the Galaxy Tab 7.7
Don't get me wrong, I love the Note. It is a fantastic device, and I feel that it really does what few others do: live up to its very own concept. However, for me anyway, it just doesn't quite fit into my lifestyle quite as well at the 7.7 does. The s-pen is a brilliant idea, but for an IT guy with terrible hand writing who doesn't really spend a whole lot of time sketching or doodling, the s-pen x-factor is somewhat lost on me. At the end of the day, with the s-pen safely nestled away, the Note is just a really big Galaxy S2 to me. That's not a bad thing at all by any right, however, I already have a Galaxy S2, and it does what it does very well. Also, despite the virtually identical internals, the 7.7 does feel much snappier, smoother, and generally more responsive. If the Alpha build of CM9 is anything to go by, I'm sure ICS will all change the user experience for the better on the Note. However, as it stands, the overall fluidity of the 7.7 is something that, frankly, puts even the iPad 2 to shame, and that's saying something! Also, as I mentioned earlier, I have the HM-5000 bluetooth handset on order. I suspect when that gets paired up to the 7.7 it will prove to be a deadly combo by merging a full tablet experience with a practical phone experience, all in a nice neat package.
In closing, here's a little food for thought.
I had posted on the Note forum what I think would be the ultimate device for me:
Imagine an upgraded 7.7 that more-or-less keeps the existing form factor but with subtle refinements. Maybe include a better screen and camera. Perhaps include Samsung's upcoming 5 series Exynos chip as well.
Now imagine an upgraded HM-5000 with a sleeker design which includes s-pen technology on one end, a 3.5mm jack on the other end, and maybe a monochrome OLED display in the middle for things like caller-ID, message info, and media playback info.
Now pair those two together...
Holy hell...
Samsung, I hope you're listening!
Hope you've enjoyed this guys! Thanks!
I have an SGN 5.3 and an SGT10.1V
I sold my SGT 7. Its to small for home use an to big for mobile use.
There is no need for an new SGT 7.7.
An new Tab with 10.1 Amoled and full hd screen compatible with google tv resolution would be great.
Good Read
Nice job of evaluating the two products. I have both the Note and the Tab 7.7. I concur both are extremely good products. The only negative I have found is the font size with the 7.7 appears to be half of the Note size. I wish Tab 7.7 font size would at least match the size of the smaller Note, then a toss up on which is best. Then it becomes per user's needs and interests. Currently, unless something can be done (ICS 4.2?) then readability becomes a real issue, and I would have to select the Note. perhaps all the available software has to catch up with the increased resolutions of the screens. Maybe most software programs are written to work on a 5.3" screen, but lose it when you go to a tablet with 1280X800 resolution. I read the next Prime will be 1920X1200. If true, and if font small now due to increased resolution, or whatever the reasons, how would you even see print with this resolution?
I did have a Tab 7 Plus for a month late last year, with 1024 X 600 resolution, and all software seemed to be readable, not anymore.
I have gone by two Notes by now!
I'm waiting for my 7.7 to get home!
for me, Note requires me to stop doing what ever im doing and use both hands to do it (unlike my 4.2" DHD). so if i have to use both hands, i rather have a bigger screen (and bigger bat).
i do take a lot of photos for internet posting. shame the sensor is worse
I'd say wait for a quad core galaxy tab if you can, if not the note is the way to go.
Thanks Jade Eyed Wolf very good info & more food for thoughts before making the final purchase
... i still can't make up my mind ! LOL i like them both
FernandoMiguel said:
I have gone by two Notes by now!
I'm waiting for my 7.7 to get home!
for me, Note requires me to stop doing what ever im doing and use both hands to do it (unlike my 4.2" DHD). so if i have to use both hands, i rather have a bigger screen (and bigger bat).
i do take a lot of photos for internet posting. shame the sensor is worse
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See, this is EXACTLY one of the points that is bothering the most about the Note, i really like the Note, but being only 5.3 is a really odd and weird side, which i need to use both hands to use it, but the screen readability is not better than those on 4.5"
the resolution is larger, but everything else it seems like compressed due the size of the 5.3 screen
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Maybe most software programs are written to work on a 5.3" screen, but lose it when you go to a tablet with 1280X800 resolution. I read the next Prime will be 1920X1200. If true, and if font small now due to increased resolution, or whatever the reasons, how would you even see print with this resolution?
I did have a Tab 7 Plus for a month late last year, with 1024 X 600 resolution, and all software seemed to be readable, not anymore.
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now this is the thing that is not really what you believe
both Note and 7.7 runs at the same resolution, so naturally on the 7.7 every thing looks enlarged and easier to read, while both occupaying the same space in relation to the resolution, all these will become more obvious when everything runs 4.x, instead of 3.x vs 2.3.x and all showing different things.
the truth is most of the apps are designed for the old "HD" resolution which was 800x480 the new "HD v2.0" is 1280x800, so anything that you see blurry are probably old 800x480 apps/games displayed (enlarged) on the 1280x800 screen
as Apps/Games maker updates their graphics and fonts to match the 1280x800 resolution screens, you'll see better and crispier text & picture quality
Personally my dilemma is that, i want to see bigger pictures and text on the same 1280x800 scale, that's why i like the 7.7 more it's less of a strain for my eyes, but the lower quality Camera and lack of the Pen and other nice features from the Note, makes is a real hard decision to lock on to either one
if it's all pure like like as in good package of everything i want, i'd have to default to the Note, but... the only turn down on the Note is it's 5.3" screen size
aaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh.... i'm torn between the two, can't make up my mind
maybe i should wait for the 10.1" SAMOLED version to come out before i revisit my purchase options
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I'd say wait for a quad core galaxy tab if you can, if not the note is the way to go.
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currently that's the last thing that concerns me
once you hit dual core, any extra core are just bonus
all i use my phone/tablet most for is webbing, emails, text, phone calls, games, apps, videos and music, the any extra core will only benefit heavy 3D Games, which i don't have that much luxury of time to play with
as the only times i'll be playing any game is in a bus/subway, bus stop, waiting room, doctor office, restaurant waiting for food or people to arrive, and stuff like that
any good heavy 3D game will usually require you to sit there and play for a good 30 min before you archive progress or able to reach to the next Save Point... so no, not worth it
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I have an SGN 5.3 and an SGT10.1V
I sold my SGT 7. Its to small for home use an to big for mobile use.
There is no need for an new SGT 7.7.
An new Tab with 10.1 Amoled and full hd screen compatible with google tv resolution would be great.
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The Note is too big to be an allday phone, the 10.1 is far too big and heavy to be used as a mobile device. The perfect size would be the one of the old 7" but of course the 7.7 is almost the same size and still extremely portable. I can chat on it, use video calls, browse, read my RSS feeds, emails and a lot more. It's my daily companion as the 7" was before and I'm absolutely addicted to either of them.
As you can see, opinions and favours differ very much.
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@Jade Eyed Wolf
re: screen
i totally agree with you there, i actually have both pentile on my older SGS i9000 and Nexus S an the normal RGB on my SGS2 T989
i don't mind the pentile that much as other people exaggerate, but at times it's obvious the green line / blue line on the side of the screen but only noticeable on a white screen otherwise not noticeable at all, the only draw back on the pentile readability is white text seems coloured
the RGB SAMOLED+ as mentioned it does definitely produces a much more natural warmer colours, that what makes me want the 7.7 the most knowing it also uses the SAMOLED+ but in HD
re: camera
same view, if Samsung at least included a 5 MP camera, i wouldn't have had a 2nd though about picking up the 7.7 right away, but having a 3 MP camera is like going back to the dark ages of quick shot cameras...
that's one of the factors i could ignore, as i'd most likely hang on to my SGS2 as the main Phone/Camera/WiFi hot spot/GPS
while off loading all the work & entertainment functions to the 7.7 (assuming i go for it)
but it'll always be hanging as a after though in the back of my mind, if i do make the purchase, i wouldn't be completely be happy with the purchase.
re: battery
based on my own personal usage, i'll definitely like the larger battery capacity of the 7.7 that will allow for more action time, my preference on SAMOLED screen is always 30% that is a sweet spot that brings out all its best while not draining the battery too fast, except unless i'm outdoors then i set it to auto and it will go to 100%
battery should last pretty long since the 2G/3G radio will be off (not compatible in Tmobile AWS 1700), and only using the WiFi
re: x-factor
indeed what attracts me the most of the Note is the pen, i'm actually from the old time Palm, the original inventors per-say of the style, obviously the S pen is not a style but my main reason for wanting a pen again is for Hand written notes, as people says, it's natural and faster than texting
and the OCR tech they included in the note is just fantastic, it felt almost like Palm Pilot devices re-invented all over again
for the 7.7 i'll say the X-factor is more on the perfect screen size is just large enough for me (and maybe most other people) to type with full fingers and both hands on the QWERTY keyboard, which makes texting and forum browsing interation much more of a breeze, that's actually one of the biggest factor why i'm not convinced of the size of the Note, but as its name suggest it's meant for Notes with 1 hand on the pen, and one of the device.
I'm sure once upgraded to ICS both devices, and the software for the S pen is ported over to 7.7 i can pretty sure buy the Spen after market and use it on the 7.7, while still able to use both hands to type on the keyboard, so it's a Win-Win for the 7.7 in that regard
re: other
seems like we both reached to pretty much the same conclusion
although i wont be able to shed off the S2 unless they release a version of 7.7 that can run on AWS
having the S2 already i don't really want the Note, as it's just a larger version of the same with upgraded internals
i really liked how i was able to do full Qwerty with 2 hands on the 7.7 or larger tablets, it feels totally natural to use it as a replacement laptop
in fact my last Duo 2 Core high end gaming laptop that i use for work has been sitting on the shelf for the last 2~3 years collecting dust since i moved to the SGS1 ~ SGS2 that replaced all of its functions
but now that i'm so used to Android, i want to be able to type faster or write notes down faster than having to use only 2 fingers to type stuff in a relatively small screen while easily mistyping another letter cuz of the close proximity of the buttons
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@Jade Eyed Wolf
re: screen
i totally agree with you there, i actually have both pentile on my older SGS i9000 and Nexus S an the normal RGB on my SGS2 T989
i don't mind the pentile that much as other people exaggerate, but at times it's obvious the green line / blue line on the side of the screen but only noticeable on a white screen otherwise not noticeable at all, the only draw back on the pentile readability is white text seems coloured
the RGB SAMOLED+ as mentioned it does definitely produces a much more natural warmer colours, that what makes me want the 7.7 the most knowing it also uses the SAMOLED+ but in HD
re: camera
same view, if Samsung at least included a 5 MP camera, i wouldn't have had a 2nd though about picking up the 7.7 right away, but having a 3 MP camera is like going back to the dark ages of quick shot cameras...
that's one of the factors i could ignore, as i'd most likely hang on to my SGS2 as the main Phone/Camera/WiFi hot spot/GPS
while off loading all the work & entertainment functions to the 7.7 (assuming i go for it)
but it'll always be hanging as a after though in the back of my mind, if i do make the purchase, i wouldn't be completely be happy with the purchase.
re: battery
based on my own personal usage, i'll definitely like the larger battery capacity of the 7.7 that will allow for more action time, my preference on SAMOLED screen is always 30% that is a sweet spot that brings out all its best while not draining the battery too fast, except unless i'm outdoors then i set it to auto and it will go to 100%
battery should last pretty long since the 2G/3G radio will be off (not compatible in Tmobile AWS 1700), and only using the WiFi
re: x-factor
indeed what attracts me the most of the Note is the pen, i'm actually from the old time Palm, the original inventors per-say of the style, obviously the S pen is not a style but my main reason for wanting a pen again is for Hand written notes, as people says, it's natural and faster than texting
and the OCR tech they included in the note is just fantastic, it felt almost like Palm Pilot devices re-invented all over again
for the 7.7 i'll say the X-factor is more on the perfect screen size is just large enough for me (and maybe most other people) to type with full fingers and both hands on the QWERTY keyboard, which makes texting and forum browsing interation much more of a breeze, that's actually one of the biggest factor why i'm not convinced of the size of the Note, but as its name suggest it's meant for Notes with 1 hand on the pen, and one of the device.
I'm sure once upgraded to ICS both devices, and the software for the S pen is ported over to 7.7 i can pretty sure buy the Spen after market and use it on the 7.7, while still able to use both hands to type on the keyboard, so it's a Win-Win for the 7.7 in that regard
re: other
seems like we both reached to pretty much the same conclusion
although i wont be able to shed off the S2 unless they release a version of 7.7 that can run on AWS
having the S2 already i don't really want the Note, as it's just a larger version of the same with upgraded internals
i really liked how i was able to do full Qwerty with 2 hands on the 7.7 or larger tablets, it feels totally natural to use it as a replacement laptop
in fact my last Duo 2 Core high end gaming laptop that i use for work has been sitting on the shelf for the last 2~3 years collecting dust since i moved to the SGS1 ~ SGS2 that replaced all of its functions
but now that i'm so used to Android, i want to be able to type faster or write notes down faster than having to use only 2 fingers to type stuff in a relatively small screen while easily mistyping another letter cuz of the close proximity of the buttons
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Thanks for your comments AllGamer!
Might I suggest that if you're planning on keeping your SGS2 with you as your main camera and phone device, perhaps you might be more interested in the P6810 instead (wifi-only 7.7)? Seems a bit of a waste having a 3G radio if you're just going to keep it off all the time anyway. Main reason I sold my 3G 8.9 actually.
Pairing up a P6810 with an SGS2, along with a very useful app called Tablet Talk would be a very mean combination indeed! I used to do that with my 8.9 and SGS2, and it was fantastic!
Also, I totally agree with you on the 7.7 inch screen being the perfect sweet spot. I should mention as well that thumb-typing in portrait has never been easier!
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@Jade Eyed Wolf
and the software for the S pen is ported over to 7.7 i can pretty sure buy the Spen after market and use it on the 7.7
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I wasn't aware that the 7.7 had the necessary hardware built-in to support s-pen functionality. Can you show me a source which claims this?
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I wasn't aware that the 7.7 had the necessary hardware built-in to support s-pen functionality. Can you show me a source which claims this?
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Doesn't this involve having a Wacom digitizer overlay across the screen? I need proof as well.
That reminds... I just bought the galaxy Note and now I'm comtemplating on the Galaxy Tab 7.7 as well.... But as this thread points out, I don't think there is a point of having both the Note and the Tab 7.7 right?
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Doesn't this involve having a Wacom digitizer overlay across the screen? I need proof as well.
That reminds... I just bought the galaxy Note and now I'm comtemplating on the Galaxy Tab 7.7 as well.... But as this thread points out, I don't think there is a point of having both the Note and the Tab 7.7 right?
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Why not? Note goes in my pocket and is everywhere I am....Tab 7.7 is not so portable, but still awesome.
TL;DR, if you can make a case for a smaller smartphone and a Tab, you can make a case for a Note and a Tab 7.7 too.
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Since I currently have both devices, I'll give you my take on them in their own right
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Read the review and the YouTube video, and fcuk me an hour later I've got one. $21,000NT I hate you
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Doesn't this involve having a Wacom digitizer overlay across the screen? I need proof as well.
That reminds... I just bought the galaxy Note and now I'm comtemplating on the Galaxy Tab 7.7 as well.... But as this thread points out, I don't think there is a point of having both the Note and the Tab 7.7 right?
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Seeing how Wacom Digitizer from the note doesn't work on my S2, spen from my note won't work on 7.7 either
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@Jade Eyed Wolf
i totally agree with you there, i actually have both pentile on my older SGS i9000 and Nexus S an the normal RGB on my SGS2 T989
i don't mind the pentile that much as other people exaggerate, but at times it's obvious the green line / blue line on the side of the screen but only noticeable on a white screen otherwise not noticeable at all, the only draw back on the pentile readability is white text seems coloured
the RGB SAMOLED+ as mentioned it does definitely produces a much more natural warmer colours, that what makes me want the 7.7 the most knowing it also uses the SAMOLED+ but in HD
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It's really not the same comparison as the SGS vs SGS II since the pentile issue is being made up by the higher resolution and pixel density
I wouldn't call the SGS pentile usage worries as an exaggerated concern. There was a huge jump in pic quality when i moved up to S2's 4.3" from the captivate's 4" screen
in terms of color tone, Note seems to be showing more natural tone than my S2
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@Jade Eyed Wolf
I'm sure once upgraded to ICS both devices, and the software for the S pen is ported over to 7.7 i can pretty sure buy the Spen after market and use it on the 7.7, while still able to use both hands to type on the keyboard, so it's a Win-Win for the 7.7 in that regard
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Like i said earlier, wacom digitizer stylus requires hardware support since it's not based on capacitive
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Read the review and the YouTube video, and fcuk me an hour later I've got one. $21,000NT I hate you
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LMAO!! Well, you're welcome! Spread the hate bro! But enjoy that 7.7 when it arrives
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Like i said earlier, wacom digitizer stylus requires hardware support since it's not based on capacitive
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I agree. However, there's another thread here about how the display controller used in the 7.7 supposedly has active digitizer hardware capabilities. That's why I was saying that perhaps all that is needed is the software support.
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Like i said earlier, wacom digitizer stylus requires hardware support since it's not based on capacitive
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I agree. However, there's another thread here about how the display controller used in the 7.7 supposedly has active digitizer hardware capabilities. That's why I was saying that perhaps all that is needed is the software support.
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as both of you have pointed out at the moment this is still a theory, we need a coder/hacker that have access to both devices and figure out how to enable it in the 7.7
knowing Samsung they always take the easy route in the assembly lane, they always have goodies hidden under the hood, and just need a good coder to unlock the hidden features.
i wouldn't be surprised if it can be done, yet i wouldn't be disappointed even if it can not be done, but it's worth a try
either case we are slightly off topic here, we should open another topic to discuss about that possibility
so going back on topic about Note vs 7.7 ... i still have not yet made up my mind
i like them both the 7.7 is winning my vote for the larger size alone, but i still would prefer the features and specs of the note, but there's no point upgrading to the Note when i already have a SGS2
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so going back on topic about Note vs 7.7 ... i still have not yet made up my mind
i like them both the 7.7 is winning my vote for the larger size alone, but i still would prefer the features and specs of the note, but there's no point upgrading to the Note when i already have a SGS2
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I just recently updated my Note to its latest available firmware (LA4) to see what that would do, but honestly, it still feels VERY laggy compared to my 7.7
I mean, it's not so bad to the point that it isn't functional or anything like that, but still, for a 1.4ghz dual core? Come on... I blame Gingerbread. Can't wait to see what both devices are like once they get official ICS!
In the mean time, I think I'll probably be making a couple more videos on YouTube. I know I at least want to make a short video showing how well my cheapo velcro car mount for the 7.7 works! Maybe I'll make another short one comparing the Note and the 7.7 side by side so you all can see what I mean by the lag on the Note...
To the owners, Is Note 10.1 worth buying?
Coming from SONY TABLET S !!!
Really didnt enjoyed good android experience on any of the tablets, do would u rate Note 10.1?
Why m hesitant is:
1. Nexus 7 price point
2. Love for Sony, Xperia Tablet coming
3. M'soft Surface, if priced well hell yeahh...
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xperiax10.awesome said:
To the owners, Is Note 10.1 worth buying?
Coming from SONY TABLET S !!!
Really didnt enjoyed good android experience on any of the tablets, do would u rate Note 10.1?
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Since we bought it I would say we thought it was worth buying. I think the real question is do you think it is worth buying? That depends on what you plan to use it for.
Hell yes its worth buying to me. I would rate it a solid 8.75-9.0
I'm on a flight from Portland to Dallas writing this. I have the Note in portrait mode in multview connected to GoGo Wi-Fi. In the lower panel I have XDA open in a browser window and am watching a movie in the upper panel. No lag, no hiccups, pretty amazing.Try doing that on any other tablet. The guy sitting next to me (who's an ass) has an iPad and I can see him looking out of the corner of his eye in amazement. The more I use the Note the more impressed I am.
I am coming from TFP and it worth every penny.
Sony to Samsung
I was in the exact same boat as the OP. I had (still have) the Sony tablet and upgraded to the Samsung. Final verdict - Mixed bag.
The samsung is immediately and obviously faster than the Sony. The screen is of course slightly larger as is the tablet in general. The one thing you will be blown away by coming from the sony is the audio on the Note. The speakers are loud and placed directly on the front of the unit. I don't know if you are one of the people effected by the low audio problems with the Sony, but if you were you will be smiling from ear to ear.
As for all other aspects, the wifi signal strength is much improved, but the screen will be a mixed bag as well. While it is brighter, it will at first appear less crisp since it is essentially the same resolution of the Sony, but the Sony had those pixels squeezed into a smaller screen, so they were higher density. Does this cause any problems? Not in the least. The screen is still bright, crisp and easily viewed from a wide angle. I have read that Samsung "tweaked" the screen somehow so that it was not the same as every other screen out there in this resolution, and if so...it shows. Text is not as sharp as on the higher definition screens or the iPad, but it is sharper than it was on the Sony.
Web browsing is LEAGUES better than it was on the sony, and the apps that support the sPen are generally pretty decent. If you are using this for a multimedia device or games...look no further. The benchmarks for this tablet in those area are awesome. If you are a graphics artist or dabble in those things, the included photoshop is good, and I imagine will only get better with the first Samsung and Adobe updates.
Now the downsides...first, for the price, the screen really should have been better...but as I said, it's nowhere near being bad. The back of the unit is shiny plastic, so it's a fingerprint magnet...but it's upside is that since it's plastic, it has stronger wifi reception and gps. The pen that is included does NOT have the eraser you may have seen in some videos, but it does tuck away into the unit nicely and comes with several spare tips and a few varieties of them.
The biggest downside...and honestly for me it's 50/50. I started using my sony as a universal remote for every device in my home. The Samsung has such a remote, and in theory it should be FAR FAR better than the one on the sony....BUT...it only worked for the fist 30 minutes I set it up and never again. I searched online and only read more horror stories about that software (not the hardware...the note itself has no issues with its IR transmitter...only the included program). I updated the software and tried a thousand ways to fix this...but no joy. The built in software is supposed to not only control devices, but provide a visual guide of all the shows on TV, information about them, and learn your preferences much like a TIVO, but once it starts developing issues, they never seem to go away. But as with everything, YMMV, so take that with a grain of salt. I use ATT Uverse as my provider, so it may just be issues with them (although that would not seem to be the case online).
To sum it all up, I am happy with the purchase. At the moment, Amazon has a deal going on the 32GB version that is only $528 I believe, as opposed to the $549. The company providing it charges no taxes and only $8 shipping, so that's a HUGE savings. Would I purchase the unit again? Without hesitation. I picked mine up on the first day it was available, and only the 16gb version was available. I am planning on returning the 16gb and picking up the 32gb. So not only would I buy it again, but...I really am buying it again! LOL.
Hope that helped a little. If you have any questions, fire away
Totally
I had the tf300 and its not even close. The s pen is so useful and the software is much better than my last one. Highly recommended. I have not tried the tf700, but if outed like the tf300 this is the tab to beat.
As you already have a Sony tablet, I wouldn't buy the Note right now. Sony has their second attempt, Xperia Tablet, expected next month.
Wait and see how that plays out.
Hmmm, even the reviews are not very impressive considering the price tag..
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Hell yes its worth buying to me. I would rate it a solid 8.75-9.0
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I really like my Note. IMO, If you're buying it for some reason other than the active digitzer + stylus combo, you've probably bought it for the wrong reason. If you buy this tablet, you're buying it for productivity.
I took mine with me to class today, was able to write some very solid looking notes quickly and easily, while simultaneously recording audio. It has a few cons, like the cameras occasionally being terrible, and the back being made of what feels like a cheap plastic, but as far as I'm concerned the pros (digitizer + stylus, side-by-side app viewing, quad-core Exynos beast + 2GB RAM for multitasking) outweigh the cons by far.
Hell, the only reason I ever bought either the iPad or iPad2 was that I had this hope that I could somehow find a good, accurate stylus that would let me take notes in class and ditch my paper-and-pen notebook. With the Note 10.1, I've found that tablet. I already love it more than I ever loved my iPad(s).
Did I mention it's great for note taking?! :silly:
Many of us bought this for the pen. In this aspect it's peerless. Combined with this, it's also very good in most other ways.
People are complaining that it should have a higher resolution screen, I disagree. Reason: My eyesight isn't all that great, and to me the difference is minimal, and I would rather have the quad horsepower dedicated to the pen, and other functions rather than screen real estate.
In a year or so, the higher resolution tablets will be standard, but until then i'd rather have it this way.
Whatever. :laugh: The point is: this tablet is fairly perfect for what I wanted: A pen interface, in the iPad/Galaxy format.
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Hmmm, even the reviews are not very impressive considering the price tag..
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I think it's really interesting how the "professional" reviews don't match up at all with the real world hands-on experiences of the people on the forums. The way I see it, I don't even bother with reading reviews anymore when you can get much more thorough and unbiased reviews from the good folks here on XDA.
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NessLookAlike said:
I really like my Note. IMO, If you're buying it for some reason other than the active digitzer + stylus combo, you've probably bought it for the wrong reason. If you buy this tablet, you're buying it for productivity.
I took mine with me to class today, was able to write some very solid looking notes quickly and easily, while simultaneously recording audio. It has a few cons, like the cameras occasionally being terrible, and the back being made of what feels like a cheap plastic, but as far as I'm concerned the pros (digitizer + stylus, side-by-side app viewing, quad-core Exynos beast + 2GB RAM for multitasking) outweigh the cons by far.
Hell, the only reason I ever bought either the iPad or iPad2 was that I had this hope that I could somehow find a good, accurate stylus that would let me take notes in class and ditch my paper-and-pen notebook. With the Note 10.1, I've found that tablet. I already love it more than I ever loved my iPad(s).
Did I mention it's great for note taking?! :silly:
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I'm considering the upgrade of my tab10.1 to the note to use it taking notes in my classes as well. How the palm rejection works when you touch the screen with the hand who is writing? And, maybe it is the response at the first question as well, can i disable all the touch input excepting the active digitalizer of the s-pen? It would be perfect to me in that case :cyclops:
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I'm considering the upgrade of my tab10.1 to the note to use it taking notes in my classes as well. How the palm rejection works when you touch the screen with the hand who is writing? And, maybe it is the response at the first question as well, can i disable all the touch input excepting the active digitalizer of the s-pen? It would be perfect to me in that case :cyclops:
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Palm rejection is perfect, at least in the S Memo app that comes stock with the Note. Until other market apps are updated to support the Note, S Memi will probably be the one or two apps you'll want to use to take notes.. but it really is perfect. The app itself has a few quirks, but I'm sure they'll be ironed out over time. This morning when I was taking notes, it felt weird to leave my hand resting on the screen, and I was concerned my palm would get lots of grease on the screen -- but nope, everything was fine! It takes maybe 5 minutes to get used to. And yes, you can disable all touch input except the digitizer. There's a button for it in the note-taking app.
It really is that good for taking notes.
Thank you, I think you've settled the final word over my tablet upgrade with that post and your reassurances
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I didn't buy this for the pen.. I bought it cause it has the most powerful processor you can get in a tablet.
And that should last me quite awhile.
What is striking me as wierd is the mixture of reviews for the Note 10.1.
Gizmodo absolutely ripped into it and recommended against purchasing it while others seem to love it.
i the verge and gizmodo married they would make a new website called
ibiased.com
period.
It really comes down to what you want it for. I feel pretty sure they went with a less dense screen to improve speed, especially with the pen.
Browsing on this is as fast as with my laptop on Ethernet.
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i the verge and gizmodo married they would make a new website called
ibiased.com
period.
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Agreed, cant they put their apple fanboy status aside.
Walt Mossberg I felt gave the note a very fair review. Given that he is an apple fanboy my opinion of him is even greater because the review was very objective.
Hello everyone!
Nearly everyone, who is reading this, will own a SAMSUNG Galaxy Note GT-N7000. Our beloved device is a real special phone with many functionalities, other phones doesn't have. But be honest. I am from a more mechanical-technical sector, like from car-planning and constructing.
And one very very important thing about cars is, the first car of a new type, like the new Mercedes A-Class, will have more faults than the last one. That's a proven thing, because over time, the developers change things because of the feedback.
So everyone who owns a Galaxy Note One is kind of a guinea pig or experimental rabbit. Name it as you prefer, but fact is:
Samsung built something from scratch with no feedback at first.
Thats' the FIRST thing why I thought, that I have to buy the Galaxy Note Two.
I fell so deep in love that I thought I must have this device although it's as expensive as three used, but well preserved Note One's.
I spent very much time for searching videos about this telephone and the specifications. I thought the phone is a real MUST HAVE, but after that, I found things that made me thoughtful.
That's why I am opening this thread. Everywhere you can read reviews where people are idolizing the Note 2 and everything that belongs to it. They say it's a real successor and so on. But there are no real objective comparisons between the old and the new one. But at first I want to say, that the Galaxy Note 2 is for sure a real great device and the name successor is partly given right. But not in all situations and circumstances.
Let's begin :
Size of the display and resolution:
Note One: 5,3" with a resolution of 1280x800 pixels, a ratio of 16:10, a density of 285ppi, and uses PenTile-Matrix technology.
Note Two: 5,5" with a resolution of 1280x720 pixels, a ratio of 16:9, a density of 267ppi, and uses normal RGB-matrix.
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> For everyone who don't know the difference between PenTile and normal matrix, please use Wikipedia.
When I heard that the Note 2 has a screen diagonal with 5,5" is was like OMG :cyclops: ! I must have it. After some time, I found out, that the resolution is less than before and so the density shrinks noticeably. I thought that's a minus point, but then I thought OKAY it's a normal RGB matrix so the difference could be acceptable. Then I thought I should compare that in real, so I drove to the next store, where I can play around with the Note 2 and I came to the following conclusion.
The density IS less but you won't notice it really easy. BUT. Yes, there is always a but. The RGB matrix shows a worse picture than the PenTile matrix. I couldn't believe it a first so I checked again with many different pictures. The Note One provides MUCH MUCH MUCH better clearly defined borders and more beautiful colours. Anyone who can't believe this now, check it out by yourself! The other point is, that pictures on the Note Two get some kind of grey stripes in vertical. That won't look nice and doesn't emphasize the potential of such a big screen. Fact is, that borders with a PenTile matrix a looking jagged, but they are clear.
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It's not a RGB matrix, it's a non-striped BGR-matrix. And after some more comparison of the displays, I came to the conclusion, that the screen of the Note 2 is really better. The striped pictures were... I don't know where from. So the screen provides very natural colours and you won't see any bad things to mention. Just test it out by yourself!
Although both phones are not bad, this point goes to the Galaxy Note Two!
Ergonomics (phone itself and also stylus):
The S Pen is an invention that makes sense in every way. It's very comfortable to use it and makes life with our Note's easier most of the time. But the stylus of the first Note is not really good designed. If it's dark it's very hard to find the button on the stylus without holding it near to the display the get some light. With the stylus of the Note 2, there is not such a problem. The side with the button is flat. You will find the button very quick, although you won't look at it and in addition it's very comfortable to hold. Also the bigger size makes it a pleasure to use.
The design of the first Note is a little bit abstract. You need some time to get used to it, but after that, you can use the phone without problems. I know what I am talking about, because I changed from my Samsung Galaxy S2 to the Note. Today I am using my Note without problems also with only one hand. That won't make any problems at all. The buttons have their places and I am used to this phone. BUT... The Note 2 is in this case a real real improvement. The buttons are moved downwards a little bit, so you can reach them also if you are holding the device normal at the lower end. The width of the phone is PERFECT! You can type on the virtual keyboard with no problems AT ALL! So the screen ratio is a big improvement. Also the home button got raised a little bit, so it's easier to push it. Also the round corners make the phone very easy to hold.
Undisputed this point goes to the Galaxy Note Two. (That's also the point I wanted to mention at the beginning with car development.)
Hardware and it's potential:
Note One: 1.4GHz Dual-Core Exynos processor with 1GB RAM and Mali400 GPU
Note Two: 1.6GHz Quad-Core Exynos processor with 2GB RAM and Mali 400GPU
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Most of the hardware components haven't changed since the Note One, but there ARE improvements! The processor changed, the RAM, the Note 2 got Bluetooth version 4, NFC. I won't talk about BT4 and NFC because these are nice features, but commnly not in excessive use, that's why they are not important now. My Note One has nearly the same specs as my Acer 5253 notebook (regarding the processor), so that's not bad. 1GB of RAM is also not bad for Android, BUT it's not the world. It happens very often, that RAM is full very quick and if I juggle between more than four apps like browsing the web, then starting the music player, answering an SMS, reading an E-Mail and making a note, and then coming back to the browser, the phone has to completely reload the app. That can be very annoying. 2GB of RAM are a real enrichment. The processor of the Note One does it's job very good, I would say we should blame Samsung for their interface because of the stuttering sometimes. But the processor of the Note 2 is also a real diamond. It also works really good.
Although the specifications are speaking for the Note Two, that can't be the last consequence. The main difference is, that the Note Two comes with Jelly Bean and "Project Butter". The Note One provides Ice Cream sandwich with no "Project Butter". Also we know, that the memory management of Samsung is not the best, which are causing this stuttering. I don't have any of these problems on CM10 AT ALL! Also most of the apps won't unleash at least the potential of the Note One, so there is no real need for a quad-core processor.
AND there are also some points reagarding the whole phone market. Two years ago, phone's had only single-core processors. Computers already had quad- to octo-core processors. FACT IS that manufacturers were already able to build phones with quad-core processors in 2009, but they didn't because if they use every step, they can achieve more money. THAT'S A FACT! So don't get impressed of horsepowers. What count's is INTEGRITY! I was talking to a Samsung developer of SAMSUNG AUSTRIA and he told me, that the quad-core isn't a real improvement, because information processing get's worse per core. But that's too deep now.
So summarized, more cores are not always more performance.
To be fair, this question ends in a tie.
These three points are the main differences between the Note One and the Note Two.
I WON'T MENTION SOFTWARE-REGARDING IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE MOST OF THEM
WILL COME TO THE NOTE ONE IN DECEMBER TO JANUARY.
And also I want to eliminate this common believe about the stylus and HOVERING!
Samsung told us, that the Note Two is able to recognize the stylus, although you are not touching the phone with it. WTH is new here? You can also hover with the stylus on the Note One! Test it out and open the XDA homepage and try to hover over the buttons of the page at the top (Quick Links for example). You will see that it works.
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Koguchi9 said:
Also you didn't talk about the aspect ratio. Personally 16:9 is only great for videos... Everything else 16:10 is a large improvement.
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I talked about the ratio in ergonomics. The 16:9 ratio is in this way an improvement, because the phone got narrower. It's easier to write on the keyboard, also when you are not used to such a big phone. But in my opinion the 16:10 ratio is WAY BETTER for productivity. I compared the phones also in this way and came to the conclusion, that it depends on what you are doing with the phone. If you use it as a media center, you will love the 16:9 ratio, if you use it for office and productivity like I do, 16:10 is much better. And at the first sight, the Note One's screen looker bigger although that's not true. Only because is wider. Proven.
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Hovering in Note 1 does nothing, but if you hover long enough with Note 2, it will load the menu. While I'm not sure whether it is configurable, the hovering works better in Note 2 due to its higher sensitivity.
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YOU ARE RIGHT! The S Pen and the stylus recognition is much higher, the Note Two will detect the stylus earlier than the Note One, but both are able to hover something. And AirView and all the features of the Note Two are ONLY software features. I said, that I don't want to mention them because the Note One will get them soon.
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You forgot about the 3100mah battery... Slow/fasf motion/burst mode built in camera(0 shutter lag) , and the better audio DAC.
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Yeah, I forgot that! The battery is very big, that's super for using your phone during the day. Some people already tested the battery and some mean you have more actove-time now, but that's partly a myth. The Note Two NEEDS the bigger battery because the RGB matrix has more subpixels to light. They display needs more power. But its true, the battery as blazing strong! More screen-on-time than I need ! And yes, the camera is faster now. The burst mode is a very attractive feature, like the Zeroshutter-Lag. I know much people like these features, I don't care about that, so I'd forgotten to integrate that into my post. FACT ist also, that the Note Two makes more natural pictures, while the Note One's pics are more yellow. And really I can't tell any difference in Audio Output/Input, so thanks for this information!
ChodTheWacko said:
I've had the Note 2 for a couple of weeks, and formerly owned the Note 1 since launch day. (roughly a year). I do want to ask the OP - do you actually have one? Or are you just going by specs?
Here's my supplement to your review, based on my experience of using the note 2 so far.
*) Notification light. At last. and you can customize the colors with lightflow.
*) it sure is nice that the microsd card isn't blocked by the battery.
*) Signifigantly louder speaker.
I find it very hard to find anything to complain about with regards to the Note 2. The only thing that comes to mind is that the USB port is weird, and some USB cables don't stay in well.
The only other major annoyance is JB's fault - that you can't use Apps2SD anymore. DirectoryBind is almost a requirement now if you play huge 1-2 Gig games on the 16GB note. (which only has 10 gig of app data space). That means rooting your phone (which I did, so I'm fine).
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At first I want to especially thank your for your enlargement of this comparison! And I'm sorry of cutting your post, but therwise my post would get to long. So no, I don't have a Note Two but I really wanted to buy it and I spent much time playing around with one in a shop, so I tested everything in real. And the first point is also for me very interesting, the notification light! IMPROVEMENT IMPROVEMENT! I like it, that the Note Two has a notification light. Really! It's also nice, that you can change your microSD card, but in my case, that doesn't matter, I will tell you at the end of my answer why, because it could be also interesting for everybody here. And the louder speaker. As I already mentioned before I didn't know that, but it looks like the Note 2 has really a little bit better sound processing. And you are also right with the USB cable. It's not possible anymore to use old MHL-Connectors for example. They will fail. If thhe new pin configuration of the USB port was neccessary or only a new marketing gag... I don't know.
And regarding your space problem. I have also the 16GB version of the Note One. As I am using Google Play, my space can shrink very fast because I want to keep the music on my card in the cache. THE PROBLEM IS: Google Music only uses the internal memory, as also games does.
Here is the solution for you:
In system/etc/ there is a file called vold.fstab this file configurates the mounting points of your storages. You can simple change the mounting points of the microSD card and the internal memory and they are swapped with no disadvantages. That makes sense because I am using a 64GB microSD card and now my phone hast 64GB INTERNAL MEMORY. For detailed instructions, please PM me.
abhinav quietly brilliant said:
i guess the note 2 has a 1.9 mp front camera and our beloved note one has 2.0 mp front camera
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That's vice versa. The Note One has 1.9MP in front. But I don't think that this is a real improvement.
Thank you all for your answers and questions!
SUMMARY ON PAPER:
The Galaxy Note Two is a beautiful device and makes some faulty things of the Note One better. The handling is a pleasure and the stylus is a big improvement. All the other changes are only a product of the progressing time. THIS CHANGES HAVE TO BE! Otherwise people say it's old. Yeah, humanity is very very stupid. If you have the chance to get the Note Two very cheap, I would say you should take it. Otherwise STAY with your beloved Note One. It's a great device and also in two years it will be. I also made my decision and came to the conclusion that I will keep my Note One.
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SUMMARY IN REALLIFE:
So. After some phone calls and much time spent on searching good offers, I got a Galaxy Note Two now for nearly nothing more than a Note One. I will sell my Note One in one week. I have the Note Two now for 5 hours and there are some things, that differ from the summary on paper. At first, the screen is beautiful, although sometimes you can see those grey stripes, I talked about. The screen ratio is WONDERFUL for playing around. Steering works brilliant on the Note 2. But anyway, productivity apps will be circumcised because of the new format. The external speaker is really good. Playing music with it sound very nice. Also deeper sound frequencies are now with more power. The battery is really good. I am playing around now with the display all time on for four hours, making phone calls and using Google Play streaming some tracks, battery fell from 90% to 78%! That's more than fine. And I like those software features. Although they are not neccessary to mention, they are cool to use. The stylus is very comfortable to use, as I already told you. The design is cool, I like it really, I like also the button very much. The home button is a small thing but it makes navigation very nice. Also I like the glass very much. So the design is TOP! The camera is brilliant. Fast in any way. And the rest of the phone also. But that's now only the felt summary. The real one is in between of felt and paper summary!
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I hope I can clarify all the questions around this thorny topic.
If there are any other questions, please post it.
If they are important, I will include them in this post!
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Nice comparison/Review dude
Nice comparison Gerhard.
I haven't had a chance to play with a Note 2 yet, however the biggest thing that would put me off upgrading is the lower screen resolution. It may be slightly bigger, but the drop in res and aspect ratio is disappointing.
I see no compelling reason to upgrade either. Happy to wait for the next generation Note or whatever other wondrous thing Samsung or Google have to offer in a year or so.
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Nice comparison.. Once the note 1 gets the JB update we will then get a true sense of how much an update the note 2 is.
Also you didn't talk about the aspect ratio. Personally 16:9 is only great for videos... Everything else 16:10 is a large improvement.
There are some minor differences. Hovering in Note 1 does nothing, but if you hover long enough with Note 2, it will load the menu. While I'm not sure whether it is configurable, the hovering works better in Note 2 due to its higher sensitivity. You have to hover near to the screen with Note 1 but with Note 2, it was at least twice the distance (or possibly more, I did not measure).
The rest would have to rely on how much updates Samsung are willing to provide for Note 1 Jelly Bean updates.
You forgot about the 3100mah battery... Slow/fasf motion/burst mode built in camera(0 shutter lag) , and the better audio DAC.
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I've had the Note 2 for a couple of weeks, and formerly owned the Note 1 since launch day. (roughly a year).
I do want to ask the OP - do you actually have one? Or are you just going by specs?
Here's my supplement to your review, based on my experience of using the note 2 so far.
Pros:
1) I have to admit, the note 2 is more comfortable to hold. Part of it is that it is less wide, but the corners are also rounder and it doesn't jab into your palm as much. Biggest surprise for me.
2) The s-pen is much nicer to hold, and the button easier to find and push. The CPU also makes the pen more responsive. This is a rather big deal if you are a s-pen user.
3) The hardware s-pen switch is quite nice. You can pull the pen out, scribble on the s-memo, and put the pen back in. S-memo automatically opens and closes, making the final result a LOT like pen and paper. Also, having the 'you forgot your s-pen' alert is REALLY nice.
4) The Note 2 is really really responsive. I don't know if it's a factor of the faster CPU, faster GPU, 2 Gig of memory, and/or JB. It's probably all of them together. I thought the note 1 was great, but the note 2 is just insane.
5) Notification light. At last. and you can customize the colors with lightflow.
6) Bigger battery is GREAT. I can't wait to see what the Mugen extended battery is - 6700 mah? gulp.
7) it sure is nice that the microsd card isn't blocked by the battery.
8) Side note on the memory - 2 gig over 1 gig, for me, is a huge deal. After bootup, I only have 1.1 gig memory left. That's with a custom rom that stripped out all the bloatware.
9) NFC - don't really use it to be honest
10) Bluetooth 4 - should save power over BT 3.
11) Signifigantly louder speaker
12) Much better sound chip.
13) Minor thing, but the Note charges a fair bit faster. It's a bigger battery, but stock charger is a 2A charger.
14) bigger screen, but only slightly - 4%. I quickly got used to the 16:9. It's not THAT different from 16:10 in day to day use. It's not like you went from 4:3 to 16:9 or anything. I still believe that using a standard resolution is a good thing in the long run, but that's just me.
15) Gorilla glass 2. I'm not sure if it's a big deal in the long run, as they might have just made the glass thinner to compensate for the extra strength.
16) Power button isn't so close to the corner, so you aren't accidentally hitting it so much.
17) Apparently no black crush.
There are, of course, the numerous software improvements that may or may not make it to the Note 1.
I'll list them for completeness, but they can be considered 'short term' improvements in the Note 2.
A) multi view
B) smart view (i.e. auto-rotate doesn't drive you crazy when you are lying down)
C) JB in general I guess
D) air view
for starters. Those I use all the time.
In short - I really loved my Note 1 but I recognized that it had lots of little annoyances/quirks.
I just accepted them, knowing that the original note was a brave new step into unknown territory.
The note 2 pretty much wiped out every single complaint I had about the Note 1, and made everything I liked about the Note 1 maybe 20% better. I find it very hard to find anything to complain about with regards to the Note 2. The only thing that comes to mind is that the USB port is weird, and some USB cables don't stay in well.
The only other major annoyance is JB's fault - that you can't use Apps2SD anymore. DirectoryBind is almost a requirement now if you play huge 1-2 Gig games on the 16GB note. (which only has 10 gig of app data space). That means rooting your phone (which I did, so I'm fine).
So for me the Note 2 was well worth the money. I had definitely really maxed out my note though, having about 300 apps/widgets on it.
If you're a lighter user, then it's a tougher call.
- Frank
Silberpfeil3110 and ChodTheWacko...Thanks for the detailed comparision...
I have been using note since last Dec and I agree that there are few things which are annoying and could be changed...
Haven't played with Note 2 yet but its on my wishlist
Shrink said:
I see no compelling reason to upgrade either. Happy to wait for the next generation Note or whatever other wondrous thing Samsung or Google have to offer in a year or so.
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me too. It's just not worth the money for me to upgrade to note 2 when I don't even play video games on my phone. Mainly just surfing the internet, and my note 1 is really good enough for that right now.
We'll save alot of money by waiting as always. Hell, in one year, we'll probably have the note 3.
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me too. It's just not worth the money for me to upgrade to note 2 when I don't even play video games on my phone. Mainly just surfing the internet, and my note 1 is really good enough for that right now.
We'll save alot of money by waiting as always. Hell, in one year, we'll probably have the note 3.
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He he, that long, the way Samsung churn there phones out your be reading about note 4's this time next year.
I tend to agree that there is just not anything that pulls me towards sending £200 on top of the sale of my note 1, I have used both side by side, and am happy with my note 1. I know people seem to think the screen width doesn't mater, for me I found the note 2 annoying, love the width of the note 1, but then I'm not a movie watcher.
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yeah really. Hell, in 6 months, if I really want the note 2, I could probably buy it used for a good price because someone will be looking to upgrade to something else like s4
i guess the note 2 has a 1.9 mp front camera and our beloved note one has 2.0 mp front camera
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I've had the Note 2...
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i guess the note 2...
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THANK YOU for your information!
I have edited the opening post and integrated your questions and answers!
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abhinav quietly brilliant said:
i guess the note 2 has a 1.9 mp front camera and our beloved note one has 2.0 mp front camera
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Trust me, the Note 1 front facing camera is total BS.
S3 and Note 2 front facing camera is way superior.
Silberpfeil3110 said:
The Note Two NEEDS the bigger battery because the RGB matrix has more subpixels to light. They display needs more power. Of you compare the Note One and Note Two, you will find out, that the display-on-time is nearly the same. Of course if you are listening to music and the display is off all the time, the Note Two will last longer.
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As a Note 1 user for a year, and having now had my Note 2 for a few weeks, I can say that for my usage patterns, which are quite heavy, the Note 2's battery life blows the Note 1's out of the water.
Put simply, on my Note 1, I would regularly get 5 to 6 hours worth of screen-on time on my phone from a single charge, whereas on my Note 2 is is more like 9 to 10 hours screen-on - that is in excess of a 50% improvement and means I haven't ever felt the need to carry around a 2nd
battery with my Note 2 (even though I have a couple) whereas I would not leave home without a spare for my Note 1.
I was never unhappy with the battery life on my Note 1, but on my Note 2 the battery life is quite literally epic in comparison!
The only thing I honestly miss about my Note 1 is the 16:10 aspect ratio, because I do use remote desktop and Citrix apps from time to time on my phone, and you do miss those extra 80 pixels in that scenario. However, in every other respect, the Note 2 is a vastly superior device to the Note 1, and I loved my Note 1! (Technically, I still love it as I've kept it as a backup device!)
Regards,
Dave
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Put simply, on my Note 1, I would regularly get 5 to 6 hours worth of screen-on time on my phone from a single charge, whereas on my Note 2 is is more like 9 to 10 hours screen-on - that is in excess of a 50% improvement and means I haven't ever felt the need to carry around a 2nd
battery with my Note 2 (even though I have a couple) whereas I would not leave home without a spare for my Note 1.
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This is the biggest load of crock I've ever read in a while.
If you use your phone under normal conditions, there is no way in hell you're going to get a screen on time of 6 hours on the Note 1 or 9-10 hours on the Note 2.
PoisonWolf said:
This is the biggest load of crock I've ever read in a while.
If you use your phone under normal conditions, there is no way in hell you're going to get a screen on time of 6 hours on the Note 1 or 9-10 hours on the Note 2.
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Thanks for telling me that what I experience for a fact is a "crock", but then again you know exactly what I do with my phone day in day out and so obviously are extremely well qualified to tell me how much screen-on time I get? I hadn't noticed that I have attracted a stalker!
I clearly must be very confused, and I'm simply imagining that my phone is still operational when it isn't.
I have no reason whatsoever to lie, so I'll just go on enjoying my 9-10 hour battery life along with plenty of other Note 2 users, and you can go on believing whatever "crock" you wish.
For those more reasoned souls, take a trip over to the Note 2 forums and ask around.
Regards,
Dave
ChodTheWacko said:
After bootup, I only have 1.1 gig memory left. That's with a custom rom that stripped out all the bloatware.
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That was actually the piece of information I was looking for and about to ask about it on SGN2 board.
I have to say the JB memory usage must be significantly higher than ICS. It suggests the Project Buttler is an in-memory caching system to require memory.
Did you remove much from /system/app for house cleaning or just user applications? I'm thinking Samsung features also taking up a good portion of the memory providing the custom ROM you mentioned shipped with the original Samsung Features. Could you clarify that please?
@all users
You should know that if you intend to purchase JB devices it must support 2GB ram at least to be future-proof and not to choke after opening a couple of applications.
I am an ordinary user of my phone with a lot of spen usage during ward rounds. Keep my reference books on my phone. Do a hell lot of browsing and watch movies and music. I dont really need a powerhouse coz most of what i need is already in my note 1. Though i use the camera a lot and would have upgraded if there was a bigger camera. Some features in the note 2 are just not for me. Like air view i only use spen for taking notes or drawing. Dont use it to scroll things on my phone. So a useless feature for me. Multi view is also useless because u dont have enough space to open the messaging and read an email altogether coz the keyboard takes half the screen so another gimmick.
0 shutter lag thing is dealt by the fastburst camera.
Spen indicator or alarm thing. If ur reaponsible u wont loose ur stylus.
People who play hd games should definitely go for note 2. But ppl like ua ahould atick to our devices.
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The Note II is probably one of best all round phones around in terms of ability, battery life, camera, but try as I might (for 6 months) I've finally found that the size irritates me. It's too big as a phone for my usage, but not really big enough as a tablet.
Hence, I'm moving on.
The question is, if you were me, what would you move on to (I'm looking for inspiration) ?
In February you had a Nexus 4 (at least according to your posting history). (Ah, I see you own both a Nexus and a N2.)
There's a comparison thread if you want to compare devices. However I've always been boggled by the XDA threads where people post IN an enthusiast area that they don't like that phone.
It's like walking in a Ford dealership and saying "Hey, what Toyota should I buy?"
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It's like walking in a Ford dealership and saying "Hey, what Toyota should I buy?"
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You said it all....
Send from my GNote 2 what else...
Oh do forgive me for assuming there might be some normal human beings on xda, rather than a bunch of teenage "fanboys".
Some people find them too big, get over it.
The point is, ask them.
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Oh do forgive me for assuming there might be some normal human beings on xda, rather than a bunch of teenage "fanboys".
Some people find them too big, get over it.
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'Normal' is relative.
His point is, people who browse this forum probably own the Note 2, and probably like it for the reasons that you don't.
So asking our opinions on what you want is kind of pointless. I personally won't even look at a phone unless the screen is at least 5".
First thing I'd recommend is figuring out exactly what size of a phone suits you based on what you want to do,
and how/when you want to do it.
There are lots of phones with better specs. I think most of the Note II users like me love it for the screen plus the battery life along with the feature loaded beast that it is. S Pen is just an icing, obviously.
HTC One seems nice - some users do manage to get like ~7 hrs on screen time with battery saving tweaks etc (although I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near that on moderate-heavy usage). Or obviously the S4. Do some research and pick what suits you the best, as ultimately it all boils down to personal preference
Personally, can't think of switching to anything <5.5'', but hey, to each his/her own.
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Oh do forgive me for assuming there might be some normal human beings on xda, rather than a bunch of teenage "fanboys".
Some people find them too big, get over it.
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I don't like your attitude to a (quite normal) response to your question/OP. Anyway, maybe the new HTC One is something you should consider? I'm looking for a phone for my girl who think my phone is too big and she likes the size of the One.
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If you like the note but want something smaller get the s4
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Moving to a smaller phone is easier said than done & may be against the law : D
as someone who use tab 7.7 as a phone... i said note 2 is not that big... hahahaa...
anyway... just go for 4" phone its kind of normal fit in palm... got several that fit into that category and its kind of nice hardware too... and if you are at XDA... then i dont think you will use stock firmware... go CM for good battery life...
S4 seems obvious. With a 2600mah battery plus the reduced power consumption of the new oled screen technology and octal cpu, then battery life should still be excellent.
Sent from the mighty Note II.
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Moving to a smaller phone is easier said than done & may be against the law : D
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My wife says bigger is better. (I hope she talks about the phone)
it does seem strange that you have a Note2 and yet are complaining about the things which to other people make it great. I make maybe one voice call every other day.
a Note mini would suit many people at 5" or smaller. some people are eager for the Note 8".
the best thing to do is to go to a phone shop and play with the device before buying, a review will only tell you so much.
personally, I find the Note2 at the limit of useable size for my hands, but I have slightly smaller hands than average for a european 6 foot male. I still wouldn't swap it for anything else, unless there was a keyboarded slider device of at least 5" display with 720p or better.
If the rumours are correct Samsung will release 5,8 and 6,3 inch devices soon (Grand). For me 5,5 to 5.8 inch is the limit atm.
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Kremata said:
My wife says bigger is better. (I hope she talks about the phone)
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Hope so for you, getting a bigger phone is easier than a bigger ........
tameracingdriver said:
Oh do forgive me for assuming there might be some normal human beings on xda, rather than a bunch of teenage "fanboys".
Some people find them too big, get over it.
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You don't say what would be a good size for you, you don't say why you chose the Note II and what you like and/or not like about it (dimensions aside) so your post seemed more of a trolling than a genuine question...
Anyway, if the only problem you have with the Note II is its size but you more or less like everything else the answer should be pretty obvious: get an S IV.
Too big? Get an S III.
Still too big? You are looking for a toy then, not for a smartphone.
BTW, I have the opposite problem: I find the Note II too small and am eagerly waiting for a bigger Note III.
I have owned an OG Note for 15 months and had been arguing that the Note II was a step in the wrong direction with its 16:9 aspect ratio and a NARROWER screen (80 pixel less are also noticeable). The Note II is way better than the Note in just about EVERYTHING (display quality included) BUT the screen dimensions!! 16:10 5.3" is superior, IMO, to 5.5" 16:9.
I held off upgrading for several months for this very reason but the 2 GB RAM finally did it for me and in the end I am happy to have upgraded but still disappointed by the display dimensions...
My ideal smartphone display dimensions are 6.3"/6.5", any bigger and I couldn't carry it where I usually carry my smartphones (jeans back pocket, fanny pack, jacket pocket). That's what separates smartphones from tablets, to me (like a label would matter anyway...).
I'd suggest the HTC One. Absolutely stunning looking phone.
Either the s4 or the HTC one. I was thinking about the HTC one but the battery size and screen size put me off. But I can easily deal with a 5 inch phone, but no smaller. That's for my taste though. Maybe the blackberry z10 If you're into trying new devices.
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dr.m0x said:
S4 seems obvious. With a 2600mah battery plus the reduced power consumption of the new oled screen technology and octal cpu, then battery life should still be excellent.
Sent from the mighty Note II.
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Rumours says the S4 will get LCD instead of Amoled.
I would move to HTC One or S4 .. But moving to smaller devices after the N2 is hard for me