In a review of the Galaxy note 10.1 written by examiner they claim that when using the S-pen it can scratch you screen, and that it is only visible under the sunlight with the power off.
The worst part about the screen is that the S-Pen actually scratches the screen, which is supposed to be protected by Gorilla Glass. You won't notice the scratches unless you look at the screen with the power off in sunlight, but it is still annoying. Those of you who are desperate enough to buy the Galaxy Note 10.1 may want to invest in a screen cover.
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Can any note owners confirm this?
LINK :http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-tries-hard-but-ultimately-fails
Mine certainly does not have any scratches. At least not yet. I used it a lot so far (like writing a few full pages of notes), so I don't think it should normally be a problem.
Scratches might have happened because some particles between the pen and the screen, not the pen itself.
ugotproblemz said:
In a review of the Galaxy note 10.1 written by examiner they claim that when using the S-pen it can scratch you screen, and that it is only visible under the sunlight with the power off.
Can any note owners confirm this?
LINK :http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-tries-hard-but-ultimately-fails
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I just came to the forums looking for the same answer. I was planning on getting one of these tomorrow but now I want to wait until I hear from people who have them and are using them. Can anyone verify or dispute this claim that the stylus scratches the screen?
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised. Gorilla glass isn't invincible. It's meant to give some leeway for those who do treat they devices carefully. That said, reviewers like these need to keep in mind that there are many factors that can contribute scratches on screens. While Gorilla Glass certainly does not get scratched easily by kitchen knives and blades, it can get scratched by dust. You might think that's impossible, but dust is made up of a lot of different things. There might be a diamond particle in there, who knows? But if you get something that hard and rub it against the Gorilla Glass, it's going to scratch, no questions asked.
I don't think it's the S Pen that scratched their screen, but rather their own carelessness. So to answer you question, is it possible that the S Pen scratched it? Yeah. But likely? Nope.
I don't own a Galaxy Note 10.1 yet, but I just wanted to get this across before people start to freak out about how Gorilla Glass can be scratched.
Its physically impossible for the plastic nib to scratch glass. But like the other guy said, any particles in between the nib and the screen could cause a scratch. I've experienced this myself personally on my Note. Just make sure the screen and nib are clean, and if you're gonna be using the tablet in an environment where it could be subjected to dust particles or whatever, I'd highly recommend a screen protector. Oh, one other thing, what looks like scratches could just be the pen cutting through finger grease on the screen. There have been many times where I thought I got a bunch of little scratches on my screen, but then was relieved to find out that was not the case.
As a sidenote, what's with reviewers these days? It's like they're all doing every thing they can to discredit the Note and make sure it fails.
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Looks like a poor attempt of a review to slate Samsungs new tablet. I wouldn't even call it a review just a rant by someone who dislikes the device from the start. I would ignore it.
So far no scratches on my screen. I have been using it for about two weeks. I do plan on getting a screen protector just in case.
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Now 4 days continously working with S-Pan indoors and outdoors by the pool, even on the beach: no single scratch even when lookung with a magnifying glass.
Some types of grease/lotions make believe it´s a scratch and can be very sticky but can easily be wiped away with a wet cloth and a microsquirt of dishcleaner.
I bought the 10.1 as replacement for my old notebook and it will have a hard life with me
I have both the note 5.3 phone and the 10.1 and neither have scratches from the s pen. I don't have one regret about getting this I pad conqueror!
I've had the Note 5.3 phone since December last year and the screen on it has not a single scratch on it, my 3 year old son likes to draw on the phone with the S Pen and as already mentioned still not a single scratch (knock on wood!).
If you are worried then get a screen protector, I have not yet decided if I will get one myself or if I will just settle with a case/flip case of some sort.
Here is a thread regarding screen protectors for the Note 10.1 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1838473
What I in fact AM worried about is the rear facing camera lens on the Note 10.1, if the "design" is the same as on the Note 5.3 phone (which it seems to be based on pictures), the rear facing camera lens is actually a little bit elevated. So if the Note 10.1 is laying flat on it's back on a desk you better make sure there are no small sharp particles that can scratch the lens on the desk.
Attaches below is a picture where you can clearly see this.
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You may use a screen protector to be on the safe side.
Off-topic: is it easy to write in on this tablet, does it recognizes handwriting easily.
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You may use a screen protector to be on the safe side.
Off-topic: is it easy to write in on this tablet, does it recognizes handwriting easily.
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Check this thread for a video that demonstrates the handwriting - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1840997
Natively, there's only two things that will scratch the display; both within your control. Gorilla Glass scratches with sand and silica. Keep it away from those and you should be fine. If the display and or pen are dirty, there's a chance something on either could cause scratches; potentially bad ones. Keep eye glass cleaning wipes handy to clean both frequently and you should be fine. Either way bad things happen to portable devices sometimes so luck and fate play a role too.
Addendum: although the performance of the SGN10.1 in bright sunlight is very good an antireflective screen protector would be a good idea. On my SGS II and III and Note I have antireflective screen protectors installed.
The disadvantage of these antireflectives is a more blurry screen and loss of "sharpness" which is considerably strong esp. on my SGS III
The most difficult part will be to attach the protector which should be done in a dust free environment to prevent bubbles.
With this protector installed You will never ever have to worry about scratches by sand (beach, desert, sandy environment) or lava-ashes (Pacific fire ring countries, Italy). Nano- and micro-crystals of sand and/or other silica adhere nicely to the grease on the screen from Your fingers and thus might create scratches even on gentle cleaning with a soft cloth.
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Natively, there's only two things that will scratch the display; both within your control. Gorilla Glass scratches with sand and silica. Keep it away from those and you should be fine. If the display and or pen are dirty, there's a chance something on either could cause scratches; potentially bad ones. Keep eye glass cleaning wipes handy to clean both frequently and you should be fine. Either way bad things happen to portable devices sometimes so luck and fate play a role too.
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Probably some are defective though - mine Asus Trasnformer has many scratches while I never had sand or silica near it. The worst scratch is probably from when it was lying on the table screen down - there was only sugar and some breadcrumbs there. I have also a lot of smaller scratches on the border (outside of screen mostly, but still on the glass). I suspect Gorilla Glass in this unit is a little defective. It's only a theory though. For comparison - I had eye glassess from normal glass for 10 years that I treated without any respect and they didn't have any scratches. Also no scratch on my phone which has to survive worse treatment than the tablet.
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Its physically impossible for the plastic nib to scratch glass. But like the other guy said, any particles in between the nib and the screen could cause a scratch. I've experienced this myself personally on my Note. Just make sure the screen and nib are clean, and if you're gonna be using the tablet in an environment where it could be subjected to dust particles or whatever, I'd highly recommend a screen protector. Oh, one other thing, what looks like scratches could just be the pen cutting through finger grease on the screen. There have been many times where I thought I got a bunch of little scratches on my screen, but then was relieved to find out that was not the case.
As a sidenote, what's with reviewers these days? It's like they're all doing every thing they can to discredit the Note and make sure it fails.
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I'm also surprised at the flurry of negative reviews and the tendency to describe the S Pen as a gimmick. At some point, I read that Steve Jobs had rejected the idea of a stylus being useful, on the grounds that people would prefer the simplicity of using a finger. The reasoning makes me think he was envisioning the stylus a la Palm circa 2006, which did little more than navigation. I wonder if reviewers are deferential to Jobs' opinion without examining his reasoning (if the account I encountered is in fact true) -- the Note S Pen offers a lot more utility than the old Palm styli ever did.
Otherwise, I suppose those reviewers must have different purposes in mind for a tablet. The Note 10.1 is my first tablet, as it's the first time I've considered any tablet to offer enough utility above my laptop and smartphone to be worth several hundred dollars.
Jobs was simply a ........ POSER
Maybe he did not even ever work with a Compaq iPac which was an excellent device at it's time (BTW: the Compaq was also "flat with rounded corners" and had an "i" in front of the "Pac" )
He developed devices to the philosophy: take the best hardware developed by other brilliant companies, design the OS as simple as possible (spares a hell of money), check if three year old children get along with the device ( knowing that 90% of the people are too lazy to invest some brains), make Chinese workers assemble the devices for nothing, force consumers to stay in the Apple world, sell it for a hell of money, make a religion of "Apple", and finally go on a Djihad against all companies that make Apple devices possible firsthand.
Like RedBull his only merit was to be an excellent merchandiser.
BTW: EXACTLY THE STYLUS WAS THE REASON FOR ME TO BUY THIS PIECE OF DIGITAL ART
BarryH_GEG said:
Natively, there's only two things that will scratch the display; both within your control. Gorilla Glass scratches with sand and silica. Keep it away from those and you should be fine. If the display and or pen are dirty, there's a chance something on either could cause scratches; potentially bad ones. Keep eye glass cleaning wipes handy to clean both frequently and you should be fine. Either way bad things happen to portable devices sometimes so luck and fate play a role too.
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I can't post links yet, but Google smudgeguard. It is a very useful glove that was created for artist which is a perfect accessory for the note. At $16 it is a good investment IMO. Granted dollar store gloves with the fingers cut would work but these actually look nice and are designed to prevent smudging.
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I can't post links yet, but Google smudgeguard. It is a very useful glove that was created for artist which is a perfect accessory for the note. At $16 it is a good investment IMO. Granted dollar store gloves with the fingers cut would work but these actually look nice and are designed to prevent smudging.
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When I wear my smudge guard the Note still registers touches so you're better off with a thicker glove.
I remember seeing one a few months ago aimed toward the iPad crowd. I can't remember the name at the moment though. I'll post back if I remember or find it.
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ugotproblemz said:
In a review of the Galaxy note 10.1 written by examiner they claim that when using the S-pen it can scratch you screen, and that it is only visible under the sunlight with the power off.
Can any note owners confirm this?
LINK :http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-tries-hard-but-ultimately-fails
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We had the same report about the ThinkPad Tablet and I never found it to be true. I've had mine nearly a year, used the pen extensively, and zero scratches with zero screen protector. YMMV If your pen nib is rough then you'll have a problem.
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Howdy folks! I'm new to XDA, I just bought myself a T-Mobile Vibrant and I'm ready to get under the hood of an Android phone and tinker around a bit. Unfortunately, I'm a busy engineering student and I don't have any significant programming skills yet, or time to develop them. However I have completed a project that I hope will be of use to some of the members here.
Preface
A few weeks ago I managed to scratch my screen quite badly. From the impressions I got from reading about Gorilla Glass, I assumed that I could get away with not having a screen cover for a little while. It turns out that this was a very bad idea. While Gorilla Glass is very tough, even if you are careful with it, there are situations where it can get scratched quite easily. I accidentally put a plastic credit card style hotel key in the same pocket with my phone. I am very anal about my screen and I check it for scratches each time I put in my pocket. After about twenty minutes of the hotel key being in my pocket with the phone, the screen went from completely flawless to very badly scratched. There was no metal on the card; it was entirely plastic. My theory is that some grit became trapped between the card and the screen. Either way, it goes to show that Gorilla glass is not impervious to damage.
Shots of the damage:
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As you can see there were several deep scratches and many more scuffs. Many of them were visible when the phone was on and caused ugly lines of distorted color. I'm afraid I forgot to take pics of the phone with the screen on before I started the repairs, but you can see what I'm talking about in the later pictures. This kind of screen condition is, IMHO unacceptable. I called up Samsung and they said it would be 160$ to repair the damage. The entire AMOLED screen has to be replaced because the glass is built in. Even though the information I was able to gather about gorilla glass polishing was less than encouraging, I figured that I may as well give it a shot. Worst case, I ruined the screen. The tech support guy confirmed that the Vibrant, (and I assume all galaxy S phones) have no coating of any kind, it's just glass.
Part 1: Materials and Preparation
Looking around I learned that some people had had some success polishing their non-Gorilla Glass iPhones with an industrial glass polishing compound called cerium oxide. I called around town to several windshield repair specialists and found someone who was nice enough to give me some for free! If you don't have as good luck you'll need to buy it online, because as far as I could tell it is not carried in stores. It can be purchased from Amazon
Some of the iPhone polishing guides mentioned that high grit sandpaper is useful to polish out deeper scratches. I went up to an Auto Zone and purchased a pack of 1000, 1500, 2000 grit wet dry sandpaper as well.
Even though the phone has a seal around the screen, I figured it would be worth it to tape up the edges with electrical tape. At the very least this needs to be done to the speaker. I found that the electrical tape worked extremely well, and left no annoying residue.
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Part 2: Sanding
The second step is to sand the screen's phone down. The objective of this part is to remove the top layer of glass that has the scratches in it. This part is important as the polish is not abrasive enough to eliminate any but the lightest scratches.
Guides for polishing older iPhones warn you to go very easy on this part and say that you expect to significant result in about ten seconds. This is not true with Gorilla Glass. On my first attempt I went at it very hard with 1000 grit for several hours. This proved to be entirely insufficient:
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As you can see I got a little bit of a scuff going, but was unable to remove enough of the top layer of glass to get rid any of the remotely deep scratches. You can see in the second picture that most of the scratches can be seen in spite of the scuff marks. In order for this screen to turn out properly, the old scratches need to be completely obliterated by the finer scuff marks. After I polished out my first attempt, it was clear that I had made very little progress. Application of a screen protector (not pictured) only exacerbated the deep scratches, due to the fact that an air pocket was created in the groves from the scratches.
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So I gave it another shot. This time I went down to 800 grit and pressed down as hard as I dared without breaking the screen. In order to avoid excessively polishing one area and getting lensing I kept moving over the entire screen. There are two things to note here. First, keep the sand paper wet. Make a puddle of water on the screen that you can use to quickly rewet your sandpaper. I tried dry sanding, but that wasn't any faster and introduced a few new scratches that required more polishing to get out. Keeping the paper wet seems to alleviate this issue. Second, Gorilla Glass with eat your sand paper for breakfast. It will lose most of it ability to affect the screen after a few seconds. I cut my sheet of sandpaper into one inch squares and switched about every ten seconds. This seemed to help things go faster.
After a looong time, the original scratches were almost gone and the screen has a nice matte finish. This took several hours. This next pic compares properly sanded surface to polished surface in the center. Notice that the original scratches are no longer visible and that the unpolished surface has a nice homogenous texture.
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I stopped sanding when the deepest scratches were almost but not completely gone. The key here is to smooth them out enough so that you don't have rough edges that diffract the screen light. If you have done it right, the scratches with be so shallow and polished that there will be no air gap created under the protector, and they will disappear completely.
Because the sanding takes so long, I suggest experimenting with something a bit harder than sandpaper. 800 or 1000 grit diamond polishing compound would probably be more effective. This stuff is designed for polishing metal, so it might do the trick.
Part 3: Polishing
On to the polishing! You will need to use a drill press, drill or some kind of rotary tool or else this part will simply take too long. I used a rotary tool with a felt wheel. This part took some tweaking to get right. You want to have a bowl of water and a bowl of cerium oxide mix handy. Mix a bit of water into the cerium oxide until you have a nice thick texture with no lumps in it. Dip the rotary tool in the cerium oxide water mixture, and start it up before you pull it all the way out of the bowl or else the polish will go everywhere. Also, dab a bit of polish and water on the phone and mix it together into a very thin mix. You can pull a bit of this into your work area from time to time to keep your polishing pad from drying out. This takes some finesse, but you will have plenty of time to perfect it. Again, you will need to press down very hard to get results. Gorilla Glass is very tough! This will generate a good amount of heat, so keep moving and touch the screen every so often to make sure you don't cook the phone's innards! Also, I recommend getting some kind of cloth bit if you can. The felt wasn't durable enough and disintegrated easily.
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This will take quite a while, but if you keep at it, the scuff should start to give way to a nice shine like you see in P.9. I turned it on to make sure it still worked from time to time. Notice the pink areas where I have not begun to polish yet.
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Here, I am very nearly finished with the process. There is still some polish to be done near the edge. At this point I abandoned the electrical tape except for on the speaker so I could get closer to the edge of the phone. Happily, it caused no problems!
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It’s a little dirty, but the scratches are almost gone.
When I had finished, there were still some very slight "orange skin" looking areas in the glass when you held it up to the light, but it was all smooth. That is the key. The protector will eliminate this "orange skin" effect.
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After application of the screen protector, (I used a REALOOK, it's fantastic. Other members have attested to this.) Few scratches were visible, and those that were could only be seen when the phone was viewed in just the right light. The photographs exaggerate them, but it really does look perfect when the screen is on, which is mission accomplished in my book!
Pics P.14 through P.17 were taken with the protector installed. Note that a lot of what you see on the screen are not scratches, but dust on top of the cover.
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You can see the "haze" from the protector in P.15. It is exaggerated in the lighting. It is not at all visible when the phone is in use.
And some shots of the phone in action:
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The touch screen did not suffer any damage or degradation in performance as a result of the polishing or the application of the screen protector.
All of these pics are available in high resolution at this imgur gallery:
My technique was modified from this article on removing scratches from an iPhone without Gorilla Glass.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Removing-Iphone-screen-scratches/
I did not realize gorrila glass was easily scratchable. I see youtube videos of people taking nails and screws to it without a single scratch but after this Im a bit worried not using a SP. Thanks for the info though.
No clue how you got those scratches, but thank you for a VERY good post. I'll be sure and add this to the sticky a bit later. Great job with the post man, really helpful.
Still confused about the scratches... I ALWAYS carried my plastic swipe card with my phone, no issues... ever.
The only way I can see that happening is that I got some grit in-between the phone and the card, and it rubbed. After my experience with the sandpaper, I can safely say that there is no possible way that plastic could do that. Still there's no way around it, I put the phone in my pocket with the card, and 20 minutes later, scratches.
I was at a natural park, so it's very possible that some sand, or something a bit harder than you would normally encounter got in there, but sooner or later it certainly can happen.
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Nasty!
This is the first phone I've ever used a screen protector for and I put it on at the store when I unboxed the phone. It wasn't a day before I dropped the phone and was so very glad I'd put the protector on.
Regarding the buffing, I've had good luck getting scratches off the iPod touch with good old fashioned toothpaste and a finger. I'd be terrified to take a wheel to it with the amount of heat those things can generate.
Thanks for posting!
Yes the heat is a good point. I had to be careful about that. I'll note that in the OP.
Tooth paste and a finger will not touch this glass. It's just far, far too hard.
jrharvey said:
I did not realize gorrila glass was easily scratchable. I see youtube videos of people taking nails and screws to it without a single scratch but after this Im a bit worried not using a SP. Thanks for the info though.
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It all depends on how it happens.
As you can see from the OPs suffering, he had a hard time with sandpaper! Yet, something that happened to be in his pocket scratched it up something fierce.
Moral of the story, get a screen protector, you'll be the 1/10000 that manages to scratch his screen if you don't.
Also, OP...THANK YOU very much for this post. I might have to do this for my girlfriend, she scratched her screen on her earrings before we got the screen protector put on.
I have a nice vibrant with dead pixels.. Wasn't me to do a scratch test? I've taken a key and a screw to the corner already.. I used alot of force and it can only be seen with oil from my fingers.. But after cleaning the screen with a cloth they disappear.. I have no problem messing up this screen if y'all want me too...
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I have a nice vibrant with dead pixels.. Wasn't me to do a scratch test? I've taken a key and a screw to the corner already.. I used alot of force and it can only be seen with oil from my fingers.. But after cleaning the screen with a cloth they disappear.. I have no problem messing up this screen if y'all want me too...
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Do it, Do it, Do it!! haha
The Asian Youtube Video DOES SHOW SCRATCHES.
jrharvey said:
I did not realize gorrila glass was easily scratchable. I see youtube videos of people taking nails and screws to it without a single scratch but after this Im a bit worried not using a SP. Thanks for the info though.
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I've heard people reference this Asian video saying "wow no scratches,"
I guess people aren't looking closely, you clearly DO see scratches.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xASJobjD68
First scratch evident at 1:47-150, you have to pause at the right angle!
more scratches evident at 1:54
More scratches evident 3:05
And again at 3:10-3:11
And of course, friends of mine with the Galaxy S unprotected, and of course, scratches!
Protect that screen! Interesting thread through.
That's why I still have the screen protector on when there were so many people saying that it is scratches proved blablabla...
I'll pay the $160 before I put on a screen protector. Actually, I *did* pay the $160 already. Ha ha. I dropped my Vibrant on cement about two days after owning it and massively cracked the screen. If I get a light scratch then I can live with it but if it's like yours looked in the original post, I would pay the $160. Meanwhile I keep it in a pouch when it's in my pocket.
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Not sure how the scratches were so deep unusual. Anyway, if people are interested in this kind of fix you can go to a gem stone supply and get the polishing compounds that are graduated (fine to finest) and use these. The fine will cut more and take the large defects and then move to finer and then finer. Remember the heat issue always check the surface and make sure it never gets too hot to touch.
Excellent post
I believe Ghost Armor should be a top priority for us Vibrant owners. I am a Ghost Armor employee. Do your research. It would of protected your phone from ever getting any scratches. Plus it also helps from impacts. Dropped my vibrant face down on tile and its still spotless. $25 for a full body wrap is a great deal.. especially with a lifetime warranty! PM me for more details.
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I believe Ghost Armor should be a top priority for us Vibrant owners. I am a Ghost Armor employee. Do your research. It would of protected your phone from ever getting any scratches. Plus it also helps from impacts. Dropped my vibrant face down on tile and its still spotless. $25 for a full body wrap is a great deal.. especially with a lifetime warranty! PM me for more details.
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Maybe you can get us a huge discount, oh like maybe 50% or more off the price
MidShipRunabout2 said:
I believe Ghost Armor should be a top priority for us Vibrant owners. I am a Ghost Armor employee. Do your research. It would of protected your phone from ever getting any scratches. Plus it also helps from impacts. Dropped my vibrant face down on tile and its still spotless. $25 for a full body wrap is a great deal.. especially with a lifetime warranty! PM me for more details.
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The girlfriend & I have both done that WITHOUT ghost armor and had no scratches.
And how is a thin piece of plastic going to help with impacts? It might help with the side effects of impacts (you know getting scratched while hitting the ground), but it's not going to be enough to cushion the impact itself any noticeable amount.
You might want to run some things by your legal dept. before you start acting as spokesman.
I've also read that while the GA is great as a SP, as a full body cover, it seems to peel after a few months of normal use.
Wow, very nice work man. No way would I have had the patience for that
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Maybe you can get us a huge discount, oh like maybe 50% or more off the price
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If a group interest is made I could see what I could do.
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The girlfriend & I have both done that WITHOUT ghost armor and had no scratches.
And how is a thin piece of plastic going to help with impacts? It might help with the side effects of impacts (you know getting scratched while hitting the ground), but it's not going to be enough to cushion the impact itself any noticeable amount.
You might want to run some things by your legal dept. before you start acting as spokesman.
I've also read that while the GA is great as a SP, as a full body cover, it seems to peel after a few months of normal use.
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I love how you call it a thin piece of plastic. It's actually polyurethane, which is a pretty sturdy material. Please dont tell me you believe a hard case is necessary for your phone.. Please amuse me..
I am a sales person that stands by my product.
It will peel depending on your usage of the phone.. Thats why we offer a lifetime warranty..
Any more questions?
junkdruggler said:
I have a nice vibrant with dead pixels.. Wasn't me to do a scratch test? I've taken a key and a screw to the corner already.. I used alot of force and it can only be seen with oil from my fingers.. But after cleaning the screen with a cloth they disappear.. I have no problem messing up this screen if y'all want me too...
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But Will it Blend?
MidShipRunabout2 said:
I believe Ghost Armor should be a top priority for us Vibrant owners. I am a Ghost Armor employee. Do your research. It would of protected your phone from ever getting any scratches. Plus it also helps from impacts. Dropped my vibrant face down on tile and its still spotless. $25 for a full body wrap is a great deal.. especially with a lifetime warranty! PM me for more details.
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I did this as soon as the Ghost Armor kiosk at my mall got the Vibrant protector. It took them almost 2 weeks after I got my Vibrant for them to get it in. I had to go naked for TWO WHOLE WEEKS.
Back when I first got my iPhone (3 years ago) I got the InvisibleShield, but I prefer Ghost Armor, because firstly, it doesn't get that yellow discoloration, and secondly, with the kiosk at the mall, I don't have to worry about improper installation. The top part of my Vibrant got all messed up (some lint got in there and then it spread) and the guy at the Ghost Armor kiosk just replaced it for free! (Of course, there'd be an installation fee if I wanted to replace the whole screen part or the full body, but still!) My friend also got Ghost Armor on his iPhone 3G and it saved his screen from breaking into a million pieces when he dropped it on a rock (It still cracked though.)
If you don't want to take it from an employee, take it from a satisfied customer. Encase your Vibrant in Ghost Armor ASAP!
I've noticed that the viewing angles and visibility in sunlight of Samsung's Super AMOLED+ displays are below average, contrary to the company's claims.
I know for a fact that reflections in any touchscreen display can be eliminated by bonding the glass to the LCD panel using a transparent resin. As there are less layers of reflective surface redirecting the light rays (from sunlight and the display itself), visibility can be increased dramatically.
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I disassembled an old Nokia X6 I had about a year ago and bonded the glass to the TFT LCD panel using high transparency superglue. When indoors it may seem to be about the same, but there is a big difference when outdoors. The Nokia X6 has surprisingly far better visibility in sunlight than the Samsung Galaxy S2.
When seen from nearly in-line with the glass, you can see quite a difference.
Some bonus photos from a while back when the screen wasn't cracked
Here's a video (it's in 1080p):
Imagine the possibilities if done to a Super AMOLED+ display like the Galaxy SII's.
Some questions:
Is there anyone here (on XDA) willing to do it?
Why hasn't Samsung already done so already?
Ah, back in the early days of SAMOLED displays with poor sunlight visibility...
Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
It's not that hard
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Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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As of now, there aren't any signs of yellowing or glue becoming undone. In fact, the glass now survives a 1.5 meter drop. For the record, the glue only has bubbles around the side because I didn't seal the edges of the LCD panel.
Also, I did a bit of research. The iPhone 4 and 4S has already done this on a mass production scale, but with IPS displays. I don't think it would be much harder for Samsung to do as they manufacture their own displays anyway.
I'll post better pictures tomorrow.
ACTUALLY, as you can see in my last photo, barely any light is visible from the Galaxy SII's display at that angle. You may be able to see it on an AMOLED display but not on a mediocre contrast LCD display (I can't even see the Galaxy SII's display on my LCD monitor).
ben999_ said:
'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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Consider the fact that Superglue was invented for the purpose of gluing camera lenses together (in part, to eliminate reflections). The optical industry covered all of your concerns decades ago.
Pretty much, although they'd call it something else like bonding resin.
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What case are you using? It's awesome!!
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What case are you using? It's awesome!!
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It is called 'Sweet Armor GS2'. I also have an aluminium battery cover on it.
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But i think there are already solutions for it atleast Chinese have it. Dont u heared of antiglare screen gaurds? Which is not so transperent( its darker) but u will never notice its presence over the screen. Which is also not that much smooth.
It can improve reading in sunlight and also is fingerprint and scratch resistant. But is costlier than normal gaurds. Its about 20$ .
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ben999_ said:
Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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If they use a colourless resin it stands a better chance of not yellowing and won't come undone. The biggest issue I see is bubbles. Resins are notorious for them as they are more syrup-like that glue. If the manage to get that thing on there though, they will never be able to get it off. Kiss the chance of replacing a digitizer goodbye.
I'd rather leave it to Samsung/hardware developers to find a solution. You're talking about a potentially dangerous, warranty voiding procedure to replace using your hand to cast a shadow.
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As of now, there aren't any signs of yellowing or glue becoming undone. In fact, the glass now survives a 1.5 meter drop. For the record, the glue only has bubbles around the side because I didn't seal the edges of the LCD panel.
Also, I did a bit of research. The iPhone 4 and 4S has already done this on a mass production scale, but with IPS displays. I don't think it would be much harder for Samsung to do as they manufacture their own displays anyway.
I'll post better pictures tomorrow.
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The one thing about the iPhone 4 is that there is still a gap layer between teh digitizer and the lcd. I have replaced many iPhone 4 digitizers in my time. That being said, there is an air gap there which will cause diffraction. In order todo this problem, the resin needs to be appied to the digitizer so it will be combined to the LCD.
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But i think there are already solutions for it atleast Chinese have it. Dont u heared of antiglare screen gaurds? Which is not so transperent( its darker) but u will never notice its presence over the screen. Which is also not that much smooth.
It can improve reading in sunlight and also is fingerprint and scratch resistant. But is costlier than normal gaurds. Its about 20$ .
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I know of anti glare screen protectors. In fact, I know them too well. Their light diffusing properties make an otherwise sharp display look fuzzy. Pixels are no longer in line with each other but instead appear to look scattered. The thing with anti glare screen protectors is that they prevent external reflections from travelling in a straight line, thereby reducing glare.
My aim here is that I want to reduce the reflections altogether, not spread them out.
Also, I am curious as to how you can pay $20 for a single screen protector. I always buy them from eBay because you can get at least 30 for the price of $20.
Some better photos
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Tough to really see a difference in those photos. I'm curious about the long term effects of this like yellowing and glue coming undone. Also, this adds a lot of unnecessary complexity to manufacturing process. Imagine if some bubbles got trapped in there. Anyone who's ever put a screen protector on a phone knows how annoying that can be.
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Here are some better photos. Sorry for the shakiness though.
To make a good comparison, I have a screenshot of the Nokia X6 on the Galaxy SII. Both displays are at full brightness but my camera decided to take the light metering value from the Galaxy SII so the Nokia X6 looks dimmer.
This is the Nokia X6's display viewed from around 85 degrees from where 0 degrees is perpendicular to the display (if that made sense). Look for the red Opera icon.
And this is the Galaxy SII's display from around the same angle. Also look for the red Opera icon.
As others mentioned, what are you supposed to do if the digitizer fails? There's a reason the screen isn't actually bonded.
O rly?
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As others mentioned, what are you supposed to do if the digitizer fails? There's a reason the screen isn't actually bonded.
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If the digitizer fails, you'll have to replace both the digitizer and the display panel.
It's not uncommon now; the Galaxy SII's display assembly is already a single piece, not separable into its individual parts without damaging the panel. The two parts were made to be a single assembly at the factory. Besides, they aren't expensive. The combined cost of a Nokia X6's digitizer and LCD doesn't exceed $50. If you want to replace a cracked Galaxy SII digitizer or faulty AMOLED panel, you'll have to buy the whole assembly anyway.
A genuine Samsung panel costs $180, but for reasons that shall remain unexplained, it is possible to buy third party Galaxy SII digitizers on the internet for around $10. I don't know how that's going to work. Maybe the stock digitizer and LCD panel can be separated into two separate pieces so if only the glass cracks you can replace the digitizer.
EDIT: I checked. The Galaxy SII's glass and the LCD panel are fused together using some glue which looks to be inseparable. This was supposedly meant to prevent dust from getting in. It's a reasonable excuse.
Oh yeah, as seen in the pictures I posted, the Nokia X6's digitizer is badly cracked but is still fully functional. I cracked the screen once before but to a much lesser extent, but the digitizer failed anyway.
As you can see, the display assemply can be separated.
It wasn't cracked that badly, but it didn't work.
Is there any easy way to spread out the super glue? This sounds like a great idea but superglue can be a huge PITA to work with, especially with something expensive.
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Is there any easy way to spread out the super glue? This sounds like a great idea but superglue can be a huge PITA to work with, especially with something expensive.
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I used around a full bottle of Aron Alpha Instant Glue (the Alpha Cyanoacrylate one) for the Nokia X6's screen, and it's quite alright as long as there isn't any dust on the glass or the LCD. If bubbles form as you're applying the glue, just pop them with a needle. The glue is quite runny, so when applied to the glass on a flat surface it should just spread out evenly.
Unfortunately, one thing that I didn't do was have a rectangular foam border for the LCD to sit on so that the glue doesn't escape from underneath the LCD panel form bubbles after the LCD is placed on top of the glass.
Since there is no direct contact of surfaces for the glue to actually bond (and you're using a full 2 grams of it), drying takes a lot longer. I recommend letting it dry for a full 24 hours before moving it.
This is the closest I could find to the one that I used.
Mine came in an orange plastic bottle which looks exactly like this
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Oh yeah, as seen in the pictures I posted, the Nokia X6's digitizer is badly cracked but is still fully functional.
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Beware of using cracked screens without protecting your fingers with a screen protector (even packing tape works well in a pinch) You do NOT want to slice your fingertips with the ultra sharp edges on a cracked screen.
vantt1 said:
If the digitizer fails, you'll have to replace both the digitizer and the display panel.
It's not uncommon now; the Galaxy SII's display assembly is already a single piece, not separable into its individual parts without damaging the panel. The two parts were made to be a single assembly at the factory. Besides, they aren't expensive. The combined cost of a Nokia X6's digitizer and LCD doesn't exceed $50. If you want to replace a cracked Galaxy SII digitizer or faulty AMOLED panel, you'll have to buy the whole assembly anyway.
A genuine Samsung panel costs $180, but for reasons that shall remain unexplained, it is possible to buy third party Galaxy SII digitizers on the internet for around $10. I don't know how that's going to work. Maybe the stock digitizer and LCD panel can be separated into two separate pieces so if only the glass cracks you can replace the digitizer.
EDIT: I checked. The Galaxy SII's glass and the LCD panel are fused together using some glue which looks to be inseparable. This was supposedly meant to prevent dust from getting in. It's a reasonable excuse.
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I can say for a fact and from experience that these "combined" or "bonded" screens come apart. I am not sure what they use but I highly doubt it's super glue. And if they are sealed together, I am assuming it's just an edge seal or else it would do what you are saying right?
So, I just purchased a glass screen protector for my G2. It's no Spigen ultra thin ultra everything... it's a no name, I guess. Acquired from eBay (China-based seller, of course), for about 3.5 bucks (with slow, but free shipping). There's even Chinese written on the packaging, so it's Chinese alright.
Link Dream Glass-Protector. Cleophobic Coated Chemicaily Treated Glass For Mobile Device Screen.
That's the title. And there are numerous typos all across the packaging. They clearly didn't put much effort into that, but they did some parts right.
The scratch resistance is 9H (so nothing else except sand, glass, diamonds etc. should scratch it - I have a feeling that even metals will scratch it, so I doubt it's 9H), and the thickness is 0.33mm (doesn't say on the packaging, but I know).
Anyway. Delicate touch is advertised (on the bottom of the packaging) - they even say it twice in the four images depicted on the packaging, captioned Oleophobic Coating, Delicate Touch, Whole Transparency, Delicate Touch.
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Well, they got me with the transparency. It's transparent alright. I can't say much about the oleophobic coating - it feels pretty much like any other Gorilla Glass-coated screen feels... I guess. I mean I never really used any of my phones for more than an hour without a screen protector on, and this is the first time I use a glass screen protector, so...
But they didn't quite get me with the delicate touch part. I thought they mean the sensitivity is high (as it is advertised on every screen protector there is, lol). Actually, by delicate touch they probably just mean that the glass feels nicer to the touch, compared to plastic film protectors. Which is entirely true. It even says on the "box" : Smooth touch: the elimination of common sense jerky film touch, feel smoother, more fluent operation.
I just installed this screen protector a few hours ago, and I noticed I can't knock-knock the phone as delicate as I used to in order to wake up the screen (some times). So I'm guessing there is some sensitivity degradation - it's very slight, but it seems to be present...
Alright, tl;dr time. My question is... Is anyone else here having a glass screen protector on their LG G2? If yes, what brand is it, how thick is it, and have you noticed a slight sensitivity degradation since you installed it?
I purchased the panzer glass tempered glass screen protector for what's equivalent to about 33 dollars. It has been on my phone since early January. Honestly I only used my phone for 6 days with the original screen protector (yes, with all the text and stuff - I still found the screen to be gorgeous). I recall losing a bit of sensitivity, but you'll eventually get used to it. Now, since you only paid 10 percent of what mine cost me, I'd assume it's lower quality.
Tldr
My phone doesn't seem much less sensitive - but maybe a bit.
Having a tempered glass screen protector definitely has a hit on touch screen sensitivity. It is noticeable but doesn't make the device unusable. It is just not as sensitive to touch as something like my iPad.
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Having a tempered glass screen protector definitely has a hit on touch screen sensitivity. It is noticeable but doesn't make the device unusable. It is just not as sensitive to touch as something like my iPad.
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You have one on your LG G2, as well? Or on another phone you may be owning...?
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I purchased the panzer glass tempered glass screen protector for what's equivalent to about 33 dollars. It has been on my phone since early January. Honestly I only used my phone for 6 days with the original screen protector (yes, with all the text and stuff - I still found the screen to be gorgeous). I recall losing a bit of sensitivity, but you'll eventually get used to it. Now, since you only paid 10 percent of what mine cost me, I'd assume it's lower quality.
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My phone doesn't seem much less sensitive - but maybe a bit.
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33 bucks... damn that's expensive. I got mine for less than $4, so...
Anyway. January... that's a lot! Has it gotten scratched yet? It really shouldn't, but...
Formhault said:
33 bucks... damn that's expensive. I got mine for less than $4, so...
Anyway. January... that's a lot! Has it gotten scratched yet? It really shouldn't, but...
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Yeah it's really expensive.
Not really. It has some really hair-thin scratches but you need to turn the screen off and put it under direct light to even see them.
The only annoyance is that it had a small bubble when I applied it (my fault) and that bubble is now 5 cm tall. Fortunately it's along the far left side so it doesn't bother me
If you don't mind searching for it, I have made a review of it in the G2 accessories.
I purchased a NILKIN glass protector which I put on my phone yesterday. So far I do not feel any difference in touch sensitivity and everything works well. Even the sides are not raised from the screen that much. I'm very happy with this and recommend it to anyone who wants a glass protector. It was under 10 dollars on ebay
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Not really. It has some really hair-thin scratches but you need to turn the screen off and put it under direct light to even see them.
The only annoyance is that it had a small bubble when I applied it (my fault) and that bubble is now 5 cm tall. Fortunately it's along the far left side so it doesn't bother me
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Mine already had a few scratches on it. At least I think they were there... because when I applied it, the glass only had one protective film (on the back, where the adhesive is). I guess the manufacturer thought the glass is strong enough to not become scratched during shipping & handling and such. Anyway, the scratches are extremely thin and only become visible when the screen is off and at an angle, under direct, strong light.
I don't have any bubbles. It's weird, because when I applied it (well, my girlfriend actually did - turns out she's good at this, especially if in a steamy room like a bathroom, so there are no dust particles, you know), the glass seated itself only about 5 seconds after me and my girlfriend thought it was installed. I mean we could see the glass sticking to the phone, gradually, you know...
There are some... things... Not exactly bubbles. When I take my phone out of the pocket, I see a lot of horizontal (not 100% horizontal, they are a bit tilted) lines, which go away if I clean the glass with a T-Shirt for example.
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If you don't mind searching for it, I have made a review of it in the G2 accessories.
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Didn't know. Will do.
sjk971005 said:
I purchased a NILKIN glass protector which I put on my phone yesterday. So far I do not feel any difference in touch sensitivity and everything works well. Even the sides are not raised from the screen that much. I'm very happy with this and recommend it to anyone who wants a glass protector. It was under 10 dollars on ebay
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I was curious and made a search for it. Found no such thing for the LG G2, but many for other devices. Such as this one. And this one. Since all they advertise is the amazingness of the screen protector, and NOT the thickness of it... I'll assume it's just like the rest : 9H, 0.33mm. So... just like mine... which was less than $4.
I have mine installed from ebay.....i havent noticed a sensitivity loss .....maybe on knock code ..maybe but on other things such as games or even photoshop touch it works flawlessly and with no sensitive loss. Cost me @ 8 dollars as well plus has an extra coverage area that matches the face of my phone
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I have mine installed from ebay.....i havent noticed a sensitivity loss .....maybe on knock code ..maybe but on other things such as games or even photoshop touch it works flawlessly and with no sensitive loss. Cost me @ 8 dollars as well plus has an extra coverage area that matches the face of my phone
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Nice. 8 bucks, that's not too much. But shipping anything from the US to Romania is either impossible (for this seller it sure is) either very costly to the point it's not worth it anymore.
I noticed some touchscreen sensitivity degradation yesterday... was walking a long way and was browsing an e-mail via Chrome... scrolling just stopped responding. Had to turn the screen off & on again to regain functionality. Stuff like this happens at least 3 times a day. It's no biggie, but I'm gonna start searching for a better glass screen protector (from China, so I get free shipping).
few days and there is a noticeable scratch. I am very careful with the screen but have no screen protectors. What kind of glass Samsung used. I’m not even sure this screen is real glass, maybe it sort of plastic.
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few days and there is a noticeable scratch. I am very careful with the screen but have no screen protectors. What kind of glass Samsung used. I’m not even sure this screen is real glass, maybe it sort of plastic.
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Lol really. You no nothing then.
It's glass and very strong glass at that.
I had mines without a protector for 2wks and didn't get a single scratch on mine.
So some how you got something on it and it got scratch. The in thing that scratches screen the worse is sand
Have had mine for over a month. No screen protector, no scratches. In and out of my pockets all day.
I did laugh when I read some sort of plastic lol.
Btw this is the glass on the note edge.
http://youtu.be/r_40sBbpBVg .
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Lol really. You no nothing then.
It's glass and very strong glass at that.
I had mines without a protector for 2wks and didn't get a single scratch on mine.
So some how you got something on it and it got scratch. The in thing that scratches screen the worse is sand
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Just look at it in the sunlight at an angle and see if it has some scratch.
And there is no info in samsung what type glass it used
The same thing happens with note 4
Note 4 use Gorilla Glass 4
Note Edge use Gorilla Glass 3
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Note 4 use Gorilla Glass 4
Note Edge use Gorilla Glass 3
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Where you found about Note Edge. No info at Corning's own website or Samsung
Only reviews saying that it has Gorilla Glass 3 but does not mean it has.
It's gorilla glass 3.
My girl has drop her phone from waist high and landed face frist on the kitchen floor and didn't have one sratch on it.
So either your got a cheap copy or you where way to ruff with the phone.
As said o went 2 weeks without a protector and don't have any sratch at all. Not a one. Then I put a protector on it.
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Where you found about Note Edge. No info at Corning's own website or Samsung
Only reviews saying that it has Gorilla Glass 3 but does not mean it has.
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Come on man, do a Google Search. All the review sites are very reputable tech sites. But to appease you here is a snapshot of a chat I just had with Samsung notice the website name.
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Now stop your complaining and own up that you made a mistake and happen to scratch your screen. Crap happens. Btw I've turned my phone every which way in the sun no scratches.
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Come on man, do a Google Search. All the review sites are very reputable tech sites. But to appease you here is a snapshot of a chat I just had with Samsung notice the website name.
Now stop your complaining and own up that you made a mistake and happen to scratch your screen. Crap happens. Btw I've turned my phone every which way in the sun no scratches.
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I often use gsmarena to check out specs on phone. Not perfect but generally a good resource.
As you reported: Corning Gorilla Glass 3
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_edge-6631.php
EDIT: Also, according to gsmarena, Note 4 uses Corning Gorilla Glass 4.
mscion said:
I often use gsmarena to check out specs on phone. Not perfect but generally a good resource.
As you reported: Corning Gorilla Glass 3
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_edge-6631.php
EDIT: Also, according to gsmarena, Note 4 uses Corning Gorilla Glass 4.
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Ok let us say it Gorilla Glass. This means Gorilla Glass is not that resistance to scratch. Since the first day I have my phone in a case.
I also have have about 3 minor scratches on my Note Edge and I haven't had mine a month yet.. it is EXTREMELY annoying and I am trying to find a way to rid my screen of these scratches, I am OCD about my phones and not sure how it happened. Even been thinking about calling Samsung to see if there is anything that can be done.. so don't feel bad @funfun99999 you're not alone.
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Ok let us say it Gorilla Glass. This means Gorilla Glass is not that resistance to scratch. Since the first day I have my phone in a case.
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I just Googled "hardness of gorilla glass" and quickly found this.
http://en.miui.com/thread-40353-1-1.html
Basically, if a material is harder than the Gorilla Glass is can scratch it.
For example, something with a hardness of sand will scratch Gorilla glass so be careful at your local sand box or beach!
Perhaps, your screen was accidentally exposed to a harder material and you just didn't notice it at the time. Who knows, it
happens to the best of us.
EDIT:You know, it is always possible that some substandard Gorilla Glass was used. The problem here is who wants to volunteer using their Edge screen to test this! Also, unlikely Samsung or Corning would admit any wrong doing...
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Ok let us say it Gorilla Glass. This means Gorilla Glass is not that resistance to scratch. Since the first day I have my phone in a case.
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When I read the first post I was like wow this guy is ignorant, read this post and now I'm fairly convinced you don't have the slightest idea as to how Gorilla Glass works.
Fortified glass such as Gorilla Glass is not resistant to scratches, heck even diamond isn't shatter proof nor scratch proof (given the right material).
They are obviously harder to scratch than your standard glass but something will eventually scratch it if it's hard enough.
Do you want to know what the easiest thing to scratch your phone screen on is? Sand, it's abundant, you probably have a whole pile of it in your pockets.
Sand has hardness that is greater than glass and even Gorilla Glass which means when your screen comes in contact with sand it has the ability to scratch your screen.
Please don't go off blaming the product when you don't even know sufficient information about how the technology behind it all works.
"Since the first day I have my phone in a case" (lolwut?) Putting your phone in a case doesn't guarantee that you won't get scratches.
If you're that worried invest in a screen protector. I've had this phone for 2 months with no case or screen protector and still not a single scratch on the screen.
Maybe you should start washing your pants more often with the pockets inside out as well.
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I also have have about 3 minor scratches on my Note Edge and I haven't had mine a month yet.. it is EXTREMELY annoying and I am trying to find a way to rid my screen of these scratches, I am OCD about my phones and not sure how it happened. Even been thinking about calling Samsung to see if there is anything that can be done.. so don't feel bad @funfun99999 you're not alone.
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There's no real method of getting scratches off Gorilla Glass haha
Just get over it, it happens, nothing in this world can be perfect and resistant to everything.
Move on with your life, that scratch on your phone is not worth your time.
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Come on man, do a Google Search. All the review sites are very reputable tech sites. But to appease you here is a snapshot of a chat I just had with Samsung notice the website name.
Now stop your complaining and own up that you made a mistake and happen to scratch your screen. Crap happens. Btw I've turned my phone every which way in the sun no scratches.
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Gotta love it when people can't own up to their own mistakes or do adequate research eh?
I can safely say these two things do not scratch the screen with a light swipe. I'm sure if I put a great deal of force I could.
I subjected my note edge screen to the following and I didn't find a single scratch...
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When I read the first post I was like wow this guy is ignorant, read this post and now I'm fairly convinced you don't have the slightest idea as to how Gorilla Glass works.
Fortified glass such as Gorilla Glass is not resistant to scratches, heck even diamond isn't shatter proof nor scratch proof (given the right material).
They are obviously harder to scratch than your standard glass but something will eventually scratch it if it's hard enough.
Do you want to know what the easiest thing to scratch your phone screen on is? Sand, it's abundant, you probably have a whole pile of it in your pockets.
Sand has hardness that is greater than glass and even Gorilla Glass which means when your screen comes in contact with sand it has the ability to scratch your screen.
Please don't go off blaming the product when you don't even know sufficient information about how the technology behind it all works.
"Since the first day I have my phone in a case" (lolwut?) Putting your phone in a case doesn't guarantee that you won't get scratches.
If you're that worried invest in a screen protector. I've had this phone for 2 months with no case or screen protector and still not a single scratch on the screen.
Maybe you should start washing your pants more often with the pockets inside out as well.
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There's no real method of getting scratches off Gorilla Glass haha
Just get over it, it happens, nothing in this world can be perfect and resistant to everything.
Move on with your life, that scratch on your phone is not worth your time.
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Gotta love it when people can't own up to their own mistakes or do adequate research eh?
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yep knowledge is power, he must of been an iphone user lol...
Speedin07si said:
I can safely say these two things do not scratch the screen with a light swipe. I'm sure if I put a great deal of force I could.
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yep believe it or not those are softer metal then the glass. The same thing with keys there softer.
They did a test before. use knives, keys, metal rings etc... and they didnt do anything.
But a small part of 1000 grit sand paper wipe out the screen. Sand is pretty hard and hell thats whats glass is made off.
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When I read the first post I was like wow this guy is ignorant, read this post and now I'm fairly convinced you don't have the slightest idea as to how Gorilla Glass works.
Fortified glass such as Gorilla Glass is not resistant to scratches, heck even diamond isn't shatter proof nor scratch proof (given the right material).
They are obviously harder to scratch than your standard glass but something will eventually scratch it if it's hard enough.
Do you want to know what the easiest thing to scratch your phone screen on is? Sand, it's abundant, you probably have a whole pile of it in your pockets.
Sand has hardness that is greater than glass and even Gorilla Glass which means when your screen comes in contact with sand it has the ability to scratch your screen.
Please don't go off blaming the product when you don't even know sufficient information about how the technology behind it all works.
"Since the first day I have my phone in a case" (lolwut?) Putting your phone in a case doesn't guarantee that you won't get scratches.
If you're that worried invest in a screen protector. I've had this phone for 2 months with no case or screen protector and still not a single scratch on the screen.
Maybe you should start washing your pants more often with the pockets inside out as well.
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I see you just Defending Corning and Samsung. I believe you have scratches at your phone just look in sunlight at angle and you will see minor scratches at the screen.
I have my Note Edge 5 weeks scratch free
I purchased mine on Jan 9th first day of Verizon release. I have an Incipio case on it. I have dropped my phone more than once and on the face, it remains scratch free. The case has several scars and marks and a crack. I'm happy with the durability of my phone. Sorry to hear of the unhappy results with yours.
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I see you just Defending Corning and Samsung. I believe you have scratches at your phone just look in sunlight at angle and you will see minor scratches at the screen.
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And so the ignorance continues... I am in no way defending Corning. How did Samsung even come into play? I never even mentioned Samsung once.
We were talking specifically about the technology that makes our modern day phones relatively scratch resistant when used correctly.
I mentioned that Corning's gorilla glass and other fortified glass is not completely scratch resistant. This is not my opinion. This is not me defending Corning. This is a fact....
I know for a fact that my phone will eventually collect scratches since I'm a user who doesn't use a screen protector,
but please don't state that you know my device better than I do when you can't even grasp the simple concept that nothing can be completely scratch proof.
When those scratches do finally appear I won't go on the internet and complain that these companies are making false claims and making inferior products to what they advertise.
Without their technology, the simple act of putting your phone in and pulling it out of a pocket could probably put many scratches on your device.
Have the dignity to just admit maybe you ran into some element in your pocket, on a desk or even on your finger that could have put the scratch there.
Cause at the end of the day a scratch doesn't just magically appear out of nowhere on any material, you clearly came in contact with some sort of element that you are not aware of.
Do your damn research, get learnt, knowledge is power and maybe next time you won't make such a big fool out of yourself on the internet.
I'm trying to be as informative as possible so you can understand where these scratches come from, no need to get so defensive man.
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yep knowledge is power, he must of been an iphone user lol...
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+1 to this
I have owned the phone for 2 weeks and have some really horrible scratches on the screen already. I really don't feel the screen should scratch this easily as I have never experienced this with a phone before.
The phone has been in a case since day 1 that elevates it if placed face down. Additionally I have not dropped the phone at all. The phone always goes straight to my pocket by itself facing my leg. I checked for dirt in my pockets and there is none that I can ever feel. I really don't understand how this is happening. The scratches are extremely noticeable in direct light and do not resemble microscratches, but thick scratches. I feel as if this glass is defective or something with how quickly and seemingly easily it has scratched.
Is there anything I can do to exchange the phone, buff the scratches, or get rid of them?
Here are some photos of the scratches, granted the camera doesnt really capture it as well.
https://imgur.com/gallery/OtuAt
Yes it is not normal at all, did you put the phone in the sand or something like that, because i don't know if Samsung cover this damage. If it was on the phone at the opening of the box, the warranty can be used i think.
Tristan1302 said:
Yes it is not normal at all, did you put the phone in the sand or something like that, because i don't know if Samsung cover this damage. If it was on the phone at the opening of the box, the warranty can be used i think.
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It was not on the phone when opening the box and no it has not shown any signs of sand on it. Just scratches appearing.
The scratches cannot appears like that, something has scratched your phone, I have it for 1 month and there is ont a single scratch on the screen, it's really strange...
2 weeks, as new.
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You're not alone. I found several lower left side. Frustrating to say the least!
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I always got the latest flagship phone from Samsung, Apple, and Google. I am not using any screen protector, just a very thin back cases at 0.35mm. Micro scratches are present in all devices all around the screen but barely noticeable even in bright lighting like on mornings outdoor. Only visible at certain lighting and when you really looked for those scratches. If you do not want those micro scratches or glass scratches, then use a screen protector. Phone screens are mostly glass and not pure sapphires to not be scratched (except using diamonds). There is no way for phones with glass screens to be at 100% smoothness for a long time without using a screen protector unless you are not using it. Also, you won't use your phone forever anyway. You'll eventually upgrade after let's say 2 years maybe so why not just use it as it is.
MarkerBeanXDA said:
I always got the latest flagship phone from Samsung, Apple, and Google. I am not using any screen protector, just a very thin back cases at 0.35mm. Micro scratches are present in all devices all around the screen but barely noticeable even in bright lighting like on mornings outdoor. Only visible at certain lighting and when you really looked for those scratches. If you do not want those micro scratches or glass scratches, then use a screen protector. Phone screens are mostly glass and not pure sapphires to not be scratched (except using diamonds). There is no way for phones with glass screens to be at 100% smoothness for a long time without using a screen protector unless you are not using it. Also, you won't use your phone forever anyway. You'll eventually upgrade after let's say 2 years maybe so why not just use it as it is.
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I think the original posters comment was meant to supplement several other posters on this forum to suggest that for some reason the glass on this particular flagship phone seems to be more susceptible to scratches than previous models
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I think the original posters comment was meant to supplement several other posters on this forum to suggest that for some reason the glass on this particular flagship phone seems to be more susceptible to scratches than previous models
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Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.
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Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.
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We can agree to disagree. I also don't think you should judge anybody on this forum just by nature of their post - I'm sure he and I are just as careful as you are but that doesn't mean we are in any way negligent for the scratches that seem to have appeared on our phones versus you
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We can agree to disagree. I also don't think you should judge anybody on this forum just by nature of their post - I'm sure he and I are just as careful as you are but that doesn't mean we are in any way negligent for the scratches that seem to have appeared on our phones versus you
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What i was saying is that, it's not that we are not careful or it's not that the phone is bad. It's just the way it is. Use a screen protector and your phone screen will be smooth. Don't use a screen protector and your phone screen will eventually have scratches. Not because you are not careful but that's just how it is. It's not made to be scratch proof, just scratch resistant.
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What i was saying is that, it's not that we are not careful or it's not that the phone is bad. It's just the way it is. Use a screen protector and your phone screen will be smooth. Don't use a screen protector and your phone screen will eventually have scratches. Not because you are not careful but that's just how it is. It's not made to be scratch proof, just scratch resistant.
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That I completely agree with you although I must tell you several screen protectors especially for the curved glass are nowhere near as smooth as the original glass on the phone itself and you can include the film protectors for sure - thank you for keeping it civil.
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theprfct10 said:
That I completely agree with you although I must tell you several screen protectors especially for the curved glass are nowhere near as smooth as the original glass on the phone itself and you can include the film protectors for sure - thank you for keeping it civil.
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There is actually, the official screen protector from samsung. Not a tempered glass, but a curved film that will fit up to the edges of the phone. It does not involve wet aplplication btw, just apply as normal screen protector. Also, i have seen one film screen protector that sticks up to the back of the phone (not the whole back) and it's definitely not gonna peel off as the screen protector does not end on the edges, but on the back which is quite clever i think so that the protector will really be protected up to its edges and it will not peel off at the same time. It's a very thin film so cases will still fit.
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There is actually, the official screen protector from samsung. Not a tempered glass, but a curved film that will fit up to the edges of the phone. It does not involve wet aplplication btw, just apply as normal screen protector. Also, i have seen one film screen protector that sticks up to the back of the phone (not the whole back) and it's definitely not gonna peel off as the screen protector does not end on the edges, but on the back which is quite clever i think so that the protector will really be protected up to its edges and it will not peel off at the same time. It's a very thin film so cases will still fit.
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Cool, do you remember the brand of that one?
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Cool, do you remember the brand of that one?
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The one i saw was from ScreenSecure i think but many stalls are doing it in malls for about $4.
MarkerBeanXDA said:
The one i saw was from ScreenSecure i think but many stalls are doing it in malls for about $4.
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Thanks!
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MarkerBeanXDA said:
Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.
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I´ve never had a scratch with iphones before, for years, obviously not counting when my iphone 5s fell to the floor
It scratches at level 6 on the hardness scale which is pretty typical of high-end smartphones. Saying "my previous phones never scratched" is like saying "I never had an accident in my previous cars" after having an accident in your current one and then blaming the manufacturer. .
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BarryH_GEG said:
It scratches at level 6 on the hardness scale which is pretty typical of high-end smartphones. Saying "my previous phones never scratched" is like saying "I never had an accident in my previous cars" after having an accident in your current one and then blaming the manufacturer. .
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Dude he's just making a comparison that's all.
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