I still have my Tf700T.
I am curious for those that already have this tablet, how is the performace straight out of the box (stock)?
My buddy has the tab 2, and it seems to flutter when moving screen to screen.
Is this any better?
Besides the screen resolution, can anyone compare the performance of the note to the Infinity?
You can find a few reviews on Youtube which clearly demonstrates the performance out of the box:
Unboxing and preview - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elFOFD1UNzQ
Demonstrations - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUxFN5kwS9E and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brfs6bjZ5h4
Edit: I can't see any stuttering or microlag at all so I believe the performance out of the box is excellent!
lardo5150 said:
I still have my Tf700T.
I am curious for those that already have this tablet, how is the performace straight out of the box (stock)?
My buddy has the tab 2, and it seems to flutter when moving screen to screen.
Is this any better?
Besides the screen resolution, can anyone compare the performance of the note to the Infinity?
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I can't compare it to the TF700 but compared to the OG 10.1 it's night and day. It never stutters and transitions are incredibly smooth. The browser's also very impressive. Don't forget that the TF700 suffers from the typical Asus quality issues, doesn't have 5GHz Wi-Fi, and has horrible I/O bottlenecks. Those bottleneck are why the N7 gets such ****ty AnTuTu scores. It would be great if the Note had a HD display but it's a trade off against S-Pen and overall performance.
Here's a full test and some benchmarks:
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/300...iew-high-end-tablet-but-lacking-in-resolution
By far better than the asus, multitasking brings many new creative ideas to ics, its more useable now, ready to replace your laptop on the go !
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ready to replace your laptop on the go !
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In addition to the two-years of 50GB Dropbox storage, Polaris is multi-view enabled and now saves/accesses files you store in Dropbox. I hope Samsung comes out with a BT keyboard like the OG 10.1 had.
Do you think that the multi-screen thing is the power of this GNote 10"1 ?
We can see some apps already in the market (browser with Overskreen, video players...) for others tablets.
Do we need these benchmarks when the screen is not HD ? Can we compare these with HD Tablets ?
Do you think that it is an expensive tablet ?
S-Pen is a gadget ? I am a student, I already tested GNote and we can't do anything with the S-Pen, keyboards are much better for students. Maybe for those who like drawing, a little ?
The pen is a better choice for any student who studies a technical field. Equation, diagrams, annotations are all important for good notes. Even for non students, meeting notes are impossible to take with any decent accuracy on a keyboard. The conversations often jump around too much and there are a lot of visual representations used (again probably not true for all occupations, but anything that requires technical knowledge).
The smart shape stuff also looks awesome for drawing diagrams for presentations. We are a visual people, and the pen is the best instrument for drawing anything.
Infact I'll go one step further. No scientist I know thinks at the keyboard. Everyone thinks with a pen/paper or on a white board. When you are brainstorming its almost impossible to think about typing but sketching out ideas with a pen feels natural.
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Do you think that the multi-screen thing is the power of this GNote 10"1 ?
We can see some apps already in the market (browser with Overskreen, video players...) for others tablets.
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Teg3 might be able to run some of the split screen apps but good luck with 1GB of RAM. The Note has 2GB of RAM for a reason.
Do we need these benchmarks when the screen is not HD ? Can we compare these with HD Tablets ?
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Benchmarks are meaningless. They do help calculate an individual devices performance. Do you have a problem with apps opening too quickly, transitions being too smooth, or tons of apps running well at the same time? If you don't care about those things any gen-one Teg2 device will meet your needs. The comparison to an HD tablet is that it's not an HD tablet. The other stuff was more important to me than HD. Most here will agree or they wouldn't have bought a Note. Asus and Acer aren't the kings of quality either which after following the Prime has pretty much sworn me off of Asus.
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Yes.
S-Pen is a gadget ? I am a student, I already tested GNote and we can't do anything with the S-Pen, keyboards are much better for students. Maybe for those who like drawing, a little ?
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I use it for handwritten notes quite well. It also converts handwriting in to text. There's a big difference between taking notes on a phablet and a real tablet. Also the G-Note's only dual-core with 1GB of RAM so it's slow in comparison.
@redviper666
"The pen is a better choice for any student who studies a technical field. Equation, diagrams, annotations are all important for good notes."
I am a student-engineer, scientist field, and we were talking about this tablet with colleagues. We won't use a tablet for equation, diagrams or annotations. Definitely not, you are wrong. We tried to imagine, but a paper and a pen is much better for this. S-Pen won't help us, but it would slow down our note taking.
If we need to write a report, or an article, we won't use it either. On one hand, we use to work with a big resolution, then we can visualize all the document, make some modification easily. On the other hand, we are more effective with a keyboard. For example we use to be on computer with Word, and there already are very good stuffs for equations, diagrams... It's easy and "neat". We would use S-Pen for rough copy maybe, but again we were talking about take a stylo, and a paper.
I see S-Pen like this : "It is useless, then it is essential". I exaggerate. But a keyboard is very much better, we can't write something with S-Pen. Even with a stylo+paper, we are faster with a keyboard. A mouse and a keyboard are irreplaceable.
"Even for non students, meeting notes are impossible to take with any decent accuracy on a keyboard."
Then, until now, we couldn't do it ? Keyboard is the best way. I can prove you, Pen is really not easy compared with keyboard. When I am in a conference, I will write with a physical keyboard (ASUS TF700) or a capacitive keyboard (GNote 10.1), tell me if you see professionnals using S-Pen. Impossible.
"The smart shape stuff also looks awesome for drawing diagrams for presentations. We are a visual people, and the pen is the best instrument for drawing anything."
Presentations are not drawing. Again, we always have one hand on the mouse, the other on the keyboard. Then, with Powerpoint, we can easily put a diagram with the mouse (we know exactly how to do of course, if not you are not a good worker), and write in with the keyboard. Drawing a circle to put a diagram won't help us... I can bet 1000$ that we won't see it in companies, in conference, in key-note...
Maybe you want to have fun doing a rough copy (again) with a GNote, but we don't need to buy a GNote 10.1 to make a rough copy.
"Infact I'll go one step further. No scientist I know thinks at the keyboard. Everyone thinks with a pen/paper or on a white board. When you are brainstorming its almost impossible to think about typing but sketching out ideas with a pen feels natural. "
Mathematicians would use paper and stylo of course. A big part of engineer would use keyboard to write reports, or a brainstorming. Again, and again, and again, we really don't need a graphic (tablet) or a GNote to use a paper with a pencil, for rough copy. It's much easier and faster with our actual paper. Generaly, we use keyboard anyway.
@BarryH_GEG
"Teg3 might be able to run some of the split screen apps but good luck with 1GB of RAM. The Note has 2GB of RAM for a reason."
Actualy, 2 GB of RAM is too much !
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I can easily use split screen with Overskreen or video player with 1 GB !
"The other stuff was more important to me than HD. Most here will agree or they wouldn't have bought a Note. Asus and Acer aren't the kings of quality either which after following the Prime has pretty much sworn me off of Asus. "
Okay, I don't want fanaticism for Samsung, or a devotion for our personal choice to convince ourselves. But I am going to put some arguments against yours, without thinking about Samsung or ASUS/Acer, just features.
Now, do you really think S-Pen is more important than HD / Full HD ? Having fun 2 days with your pen on S-Note (capacitive keyboard is a huge thing when you want to write something). Polaris Office is better with HD / Full HD, and split screen would be very very good on GNote with Full HD ! I can't see what do you think about when you say "other stuff" ?
Tablets are very good for multimedia, and sometimes to write reports with a physical keyboard, or even capacitive. Both using useful with Full HD. What do you think about ?
Do you think that it's easier to write a report (or an article) with S-Pen ?
S-Pen is only for small drawings with "Draw Something" apps ; and if you want to draw precisely, you need 300 dpi (3500 x 2600), or at least 200 dpi (2400 x 1600). That's a gadget, really not necessary.
"I use it for handwritten notes quite well. It also converts handwriting in to text."
Try a physical keyboard.
We are much faster with a keyboard, particularly if you need to converts it in to text. I don't need to be precise if I need to draw a small drawing on my "rough paper" with a standard capacitive screen.
Personally, I suggest that we should create our company. Then we create our tablet with :
- PLS technology (GNote screen with his S-Pen), it could be useful if I listen to you
- Full HD technology on this
- ASUS Keyboard on this
- iPad anti-reflection technology
This would be the perfect tablet !
StiiLe said:
I can bet 1000$ that we won't see it in companies, in conference, in key-note...
Maybe you want to have fun doing a rough copy (again) with a GNote, but we don't need to buy a GNote 10.1 to make a rough copy.
Mathematicians would use paper and stylo of course. A big part of engineer would use keyboard to write reports, or a brainstorming. Again, and again, and again, we really don't need a graphic (tablet) or a GNote to use a paper with a pencil, for rough copy. It's much easier and faster with our actual paper. Generaly, we use keyboard anyway.
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I'm not sure what kind of engineer you are, but the amount of scratch paper that is sitting on my work desk is immense. I have killed many poor trees sketching free body diagrams, making rough calculations, and writing short-hand notes for all of the projects I do (structural engineering). Making reports for submittal is merely a small part of what is done and typically when i'm working on a project my computer screen is on sleep mode because I have no use for it.
I would much rather use the S-Pen and have my notes easily accessible if a client or co-worker were to ask me a question.
I think we need to get a Notecore Kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1749863 for the Tab as well!
I run it on my normal note and it made it much faster and responsive and also battery lasts longer.
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I'm not sure what kind of engineer you are, but the amount of scratch paper that is sitting on my work desk is immense. I have killed many poor trees sketching free body diagrams, making rough calculations, and writing short-hand notes for all of the projects I do (structural engineering). Making reports for submittal is merely a small part of what is done and typically when i'm working on a project my computer screen is on sleep mode because I have no use for it.
I would much rather use the S-Pen and have my notes easily accessible if a client or co-worker were to ask me a question.
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Right, I had read his post. Curious.
I have been pulling my hair out about this. I have quite a few things (calculations) that take up about twenty pages. Now, it takes me half of my time organizing the mess. I have maps just to guide me thought this! This can be rather stressful :laugh: . Tablets are generally really uncomfortable, and pen a paper is not. But the pulp is just messy, and I've got to try to get out from under this. IYKWIM.
Of course you can get really good at Mathmatica or Mathcad, and that I do also (not the 'really good' part), but it's even more uncmfortable.
Oh I know, you think "Twenty pages of calculation" He must be a genius. Answer: No, a genius would do it in one page, or in his head. I'm an idiot
Anyway, this new variety is pretty cool. Me thinks.
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I am a student-engineer, scientist field, and we were talking about this tablet with colleagues… …I see S-Pen like this : "It is useless, then it is essential". I exaggerate. But a keyboard is very much better, we can't write something with S-Pen. Even with a stylo+paper, we are faster with a keyboard. A mouse and a keyboard are irreplaceable. Even for non students, meeting notes are impossible to take with any decent accuracy on a keyboard. Then, until now, we couldn't do it ? Keyboard is the best way. I can prove you, Pen is really not easy compared with keyboard. When I am in a conference, I will write with a physical keyboard (ASUS TF700) or a capacitive keyboard (GNote 10.1), tell me if you see professionnals using S-Pen. Impossible.
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You really shouldn't impose your personal opinion or that of a small group of people you associate with on others. For the majority of meetings I'm in it would be considered rude and inappropriate to be hammering away at a keyboard when you should be focusing on the body language of the people in the meeting and the person speaking at the time. For those situations, the Note is perfect. Maybe your attitude will change when you’re no longer a student and in business (vs. technical) meetings.
Actualy, 2 GB of RAM is too much !
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You don't follow Android devices much, do you? The Adreno GPU in the new S4 chip reserves 350MB of RAM for itself. With only 1GB of RAM available multitasking is abysmal. Why do you think the U.S. SGS3 with the S4 chip has 2GB of RAM? Samsung doesn't give away RAM (and profit) without reason.
Okay, I don't want fanaticism for Samsung, or a devotion for our personal choice to convince ourselves. But I am going to put some arguments against yours, without thinking about Samsung or ASUS/Acer, just features.
Now, do you really think S-Pen is more important than HD / Full HD ? Having fun 2 days with your pen on S-Note (capacitive keyboard is a huge thing when you want to write something). Polaris Office is better with HD / Full HD, and split screen would be very very good on GNote with Full HD ! I can't see what do you think about when you say "other stuff" ?
Tablets are very good for multimedia, and sometimes to write reports with a physical keyboard, or even capacitive. Both using useful with Full HD. What do you think about ?
Do you think that it's easier to write a report (or an article) with S-Pen ?
S-Pen is only for small drawings with "Draw Something" apps ; and if you want to draw precisely, you need 300 dpi (3500 x 2600), or at least 200 dpi (2400 x 1600). That's a gadget, really not necessary.
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This is a non-sensical rant. I have a HTC One X so I'm no Samsung fanboy. The performance and features of the Note are better than any Android tablet on the market (for now). Asus has a poor reputation for quality as you can see on the front page of any of their devices in this forum. Including the new N7. They don't offer 5GHz Wi-Fi, have I/O issues because of the cheap NAND they use, and have problems using BT and Wi-Fi streaming concurrently because they use AzureWave vs. Broadcom radios to save money. If you think HD is more important than those things, nifty. Not everyone does.
Try a physical keyboard. We are much faster with a keyboard, particularly if you need to converts it in to text. I don't need to be precise if I need to draw a small drawing on my "rough paper" with a standard capacitive screen.
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Not everyone cares about a keyboard. Especially those that use their tablets primarily for consumption. The faux-MS Office products on Android are crap and the incompatibility with most corporate products make them inappropriate as laptop replacements. If keyboards were so important Asus' market share would be higher and everyone would be imitating them. It's not and they aren't.
I feel offended. I'll try to answer a little bit.
@cocoajumpa and @BarryH_GEG
"You really shouldn't impose your personal opinion or that of a small group of people you associate with on others. For the majority of meetings I'm in it would be considered rude and inappropriate to be hammering away at a keyboard when you should be focusing on the body language of the people in the meeting and the person speaking at the time. For those situations, the Note is perfect. Maybe your attitude will change when you’re no longer a student and in business (vs. technical) meetings."
I was student, and now my job is working on some projects, we often call it "sales engineer", and I have to defend a project with his pro & cons, and of course his prices. Then, very often, I have to send e-mail, or write reports after a meeting. Most of the time, my job isn't technical anymore. I better need a Full HD (for an overall view of the document) + Keyboard.
My colleagues (and me) are still using real computers during the meetings, and we are all taking notes on the keyboard while someone is talking, I can take photos to prove it to you, Barry. Maybe that you will be impressed, but during the meeting, some of them are directly putting down their report and we receive it just after it ends... I can't believe that they can talk and write a professional report at the same time, but they use to do it.
I have never seen someone with a paper+pencil in business meeting ! Or even with a tablet and capacitive pencil, or now GNote10"1. The standard is and will be keyboard, isn't it ?
I read something about Office on Android, that Microsoft is working on it for the end of 2012, or Q1 2013. Can you confirm it ?
"You don't follow Android devices much, do you? The Adreno GPU in the new S4 chip reserves 350MB of RAM for itself. With only 1GB of RAM available multitasking is abysmal. Why do you think the U.S. SGS3 with the S4 chip has 2GB of RAM? Samsung doesn't give away RAM (and profit) without reason."
Are you telling me that 1 Gb of RAM is not enough at all ? TF700 is bad for example if you would use Overskreen or something like that on it ?
We must have 2 Gb for multitasking on Android ?
"This is a non-sensical rant. I have a HTC One X so I'm no Samsung fanboy. The performance and features of the Note are better than any Android tablet on the market (for now). Asus has a poor reputation for quality as you can see on the front page of any of their devices in this forum. Including the new N7. They don't offer 5GHz Wi-Fi, have I/O issues because of the cheap NAND they use, and have problems using BT and Wi-Fi streaming concurrently because they use AzureWave vs. Broadcom radios to save money. If you think HD is more important than those things, nifty. Not everyone does."
I'm not Samsung fanboy either, but I really like their GNote 2. As a phone, S-Pen could be cool for taking notes, for a non-professional (at all) using.
I would like you to put down your real thoughts : ASUS are making very bad products ? Everything goes wrong ?
About performance, Note is the best and others are far away behind ? Aren't they approximately the same, out of the box ?
If keyboards were so important Asus' market share would be higher and everyone would be imitating them. It's not and they aren't.
We can't compare ASUS marketing service, and Samsung marketing service... I think ASUS can be proud of them when we see their sales. Do you think that keyboards will disappear ? Don't you think that we will see more and more keyboards ?
About my opinion, I like this PLS technology, and as I said I would like to buy GNote 2 then. But on a tablet, I would prefer Full HD, for multimedia and even for profesionnal using. At this moment, the issues you are talking about have not unsettled me at all. But when I read you, I would be totaly insane to buy a TF700 instead of GNote10"1.
If I think HD is more important than those thing, nifty... What do you mean... am I blind ? Am I totally wrong ?
Barry, +1.
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By the way, I'm not aggressive at all, I'm just trying to see the using of this S-Pen which makes the GNote10"1 amazing for you.
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Here's the difference between my comments and yours. I'm not an engineer and have no idea how practical the S-Pen is in an engineering environment. If the Note were meant exclusively for engineers Samsung wouldn't be offering it as a mass market device and would instead sell it through Samsung Business directly to the engineering field. Perhaps the small percentage of others here who are in engineering can have the debate you're looking for. The launch event tomorrow that's costing Samsung several hundred thousand dollars isn't for a product dedicated to engineering. Something to think about in your critique.
I bought the Note for its performance over everything else. I had a Teg2 OG G-Tab and it was painfully slow and Nvidia not including NEON in the GPU made it horrible for video playback. These are the things that made me buy the Note:
1) CPU/GPU/RAM
2) Multi-view
3) Annotation
4) Taking notes in meetings
5) Exceptional web browsing
6) Samsung's audio and video codec support
7) Useful features like Awake Stay, Pop Up Play, AllShare Cast, and Buddy Photo
8) Rock solid build quality
P.S. - I followed the Prime from its launch. After that, I'd never even consider an Asus tablet regardless of features or cost/benefit.
im a electrical engineering student with a focus in power and electronics, and in all my class there is a lot of schematics, graphs, and math. a regular tablet with a stylus is not the same as a pen with a active digitizer. you can add a keyboard to a tablet but you can add an active digitizer to a laptop. ive tried using my laptop in class and its difficult. in my field theres not that much words to type, just name of the equation and little side notes here and there. using the number pad on a laptop to do equations is slow and difficult. using a mouse or trackpad to do graphs and insert text box here and there is the same. my professors also hand out alot of printed or post online pdf notes, so having the ability to edit and add notes on the pdf on a tablet would be more ideal. yes i can do that on the printed version but by week 3 my backpack is filled with paper.
your technical field must involve more typing but mine doesn't. i have reports to do too, but those reports are usually due in few days; in which i can go home and use my pc for excel and word or even use my bluetooth keyboard with polaris. the note really just apply more to people with the need to write/draw on a tablet. i guess that need would have to be enough to overlook the FHD of the Asus infinity or ipad3. if i didnt need to write so much i would go for the infinity. i do a lot of reading too and i would like to get back into gaming, which is all perfect for the FHD, but it is just not on top of my list. keep in mind, android at the moment has not adapted to FHD yet. 500-600$ (hofully for a wifi version of the note) is a lot, but even though thats a lot of money i know i will upgrade in a year or two for a new tablet and by that time im sure there will be a FHD with active digitizer tablet; and hopefully a majority of android and apps will be FHD by then also.
i am still going to wait a few weeks to buy the note, just to see if any problems come up. if theres a select few that may weigh the note and the infinity the same to me, then i will get the infinity instead. worst case i can get a Adonit Jot stylus for it. the infinity just has a better longevity and better support. where as the note is ideal for my situation at the moment.
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Here's the difference between my comments and yours. I'm not an engineer and have no idea how practical the S-Pen is in an engineering environment. If the Note were meant exclusively for engineers Samsung wouldn't be offering it as a mass market device and would instead sell it through Samsung Business directly to the engineering field. Perhaps the small percentage of others here who are in engineering can have the debate you're looking for. The launch event tomorrow that's costing Samsung several hundred thousand dollars isn't for a product dedicated to engineering. Something to think about in your critique.
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Yep, I understand. I wasn't talking about engineering at the beginning, but multimedia part.
I read someone or even you talking about S-Pen to take notes, that's why I talked about my personal opinion : I take note with keyboard. But as denniegst said, it depends on our using. For the professional part, I think most of us would need keyboard, which is easier and faster, but you think S-Pen is better.
On the GNote 5", S-Note doesn't recognize everything, particularly when we have to write something fast. Is it improved ?
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I bought the Note for its performance over everything else. I had a Teg2 OG G-Tab and it was painfully slow and Nvidia not including NEON in the GPU made it horrible for video playback. These are the things that made me buy the Note:
1) CPU/GPU/RAM
2) Multi-view
3) Annotation
4) Taking notes in meetings
5) Exceptional web browsing
6) Samsung's audio and video codec support
7) Useful features like Awake Stay, Pop Up Play, AllShare Cast, and Buddy Photo
8) Rock solid build quality
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Teg3 has been improved and it includes NEON now. We can watch 1080p videos even with the "Power Saving" mode, only the "companion processor" is on.
1) I understand, but other tablets are not so far right ?
2) I can understand it too, even if there are apps for it too (overskreen ...). That would be a great thing for TF700.
3) and 4) I disagree, but that's personal using. So I can understand (difficult but ok )
5) For me the web browsing is much comfortable with HD or Full HD. But maybe Samsung made a very good browser, I didn't see this part.
6) I don't see the difference, I can read everything.
7) These applications are not needed for me, or I can download similar on the markets.
8) This GNote10"1 is built with the same plastic as GNote 5" ?
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That would be a great thing for TF700.
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Are you here to discuss the Note or to reinforce your purchase of an Infinity? Other than the 1080P display, the Infinity is inferior in every way to the Note. The exception being the hard keyboard option if that's a deciding factor. That and perhaps gaming and not based on performance but the games that are designed and available specifically for Tegra. No matter how big an Asus fan anyone is you can't look at the forums on XDA and not draw the conclusion that some of their choices for materials and how they're assembled aren't questionable. My year-old OG G-Tab was dropped more times than I can count including tumbling down a flight of stairs. It looked as good as new up until the end. I'd love a 1080P display, unfortunately it wasn't available to me in a package I found desirable or worth premium pricing.
Are you ignoring the benchmarks on the first page? The Note trounces the Infinity and every other Teg3 tablet available by a wide margin. And it feels in everyday use exactly how the benchmarks reflect it. Until you use it you'll have no idea how much better it is at just about everything. I'll post some video of some more taxing stuff like watching HD video in a browser when I have time.
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I am a student-engineer, scientist field, and we were talking about this tablet with colleagues. We won't use a tablet for equation, diagrams or annotations. Definitely not, you are wrong. We tried to imagine, but a paper and a pen is much better for this. S-Pen won't help us, but it would slow down our note taking.
If we need to write a report, or an article, we won't use it either. On one hand, we use to work with a big resolution, then we can visualize all the document, make some modification easily. On the other hand, we are more effective with a keyboard. For example we use to be on computer with Word, and there already are very good stuffs for equations, diagrams... It's easy and "neat". We would use S-Pen for rough copy maybe, but again we were talking about take a stylo, and a paper.
I see S-Pen like this : "It is useless, then it is essential". I exaggerate. But a keyboard is very much better, we can't write something with S-Pen. Even with a stylo+paper, we are faster with a keyboard. A mouse and a keyboard are irreplaceable.
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I have no idea what kind of scientist you are but I write papers in Tex, and I think on a paper/pen. Switching to a digital tablet is invaluable for me.
I give a lot of presentations and they have a crap load of complex data flow diagrams. Not once have I felt comfortable making that stuff in power point. I use Visio for these diagrams and I import them into powerpoint. If I could make them on a digital tablet I'd personally be ecstatic.
Don't take it the wrong way, but if you think a big part of being an engineer is writing reports, you aren't a worthwhile engineer. Sometimes we have to write papers, sometimes we have to write reports but the big part of being an engineer or a scientist is thinking. And like I said, when I am brainstorming I can't do it with a keyboard.
Now clearly you are a lot smarter than I could ever be. Clearly. Good for you imo. But I am personally looking forward to the note 10.1 with baited breath.
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This is just so unfair.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAbsmHMAhrQ&feature=player_embedded
Uhhhmm... Why?
what is so unfair?
it works and does the same as the phone version, just bigger
Maybe he meant unfair because we cant get a decent FW for our phones because Samsung is focusing on the tablet.
It is really a strange feeling. Besides the size difference, I caught myself with envy that my phone could do the same thing, just being smaller.
But in fact it can't, because we never get the software.
Paulo
so what.. remember it has drawbacks too..
1. propriatary adapter instead of true hd socket.
2. no removeable replaceable battery..i like having spare batteries ready.
3. strange resolutin 1024x600
4. no super oled screen. .supposedly bad viewing angle support.
5. expensive.. will see price when carriers pick it up
there's a bigger chance i'll pick up one of these
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44673
instead of the Tab, just because of price/size matters
it might not be as good as the Tab, and not even close to our phone, but it's great for size and compatibility to runt he same apps we run on our phones at a larger screen
I think of it as a really good backup of my stuff on the SGS phone, in case crap happens and i need to restore all the info back quickly
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ppeccin said:
Maybe he meant unfair because we cant get a decent FW for our phones because Samsung is focusing on the tablet.
It is really a strange feeling. Besides the size difference, I caught myself with envy that my phone could do the same thing, just being smaller.
But in fact it can't, because we never get the software.
Paulo
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Alot of companies do this type of tatic of focuing all materials and personale on a new product development. i dont believe samsung does this and tries to allocate its resources equally....
These pure tablet PC's are the most overrated technology ever anyway..
Hybrids such as the Lenovo Ideapad U1 make more sense, because touchscreens don't provide good enough feedback for typing. I understand that pure touchscreen-exclusive tablets seem cool, but they are actually a step back in productivity, and ergonomics. And only a company which makes a puck mouse seem cool (and in reality, focuses on irrelevant design issues rather than real ones) could bring these into fashion..
Don't waste money on them, until they can at least modify the shape of the touch screen panel to provide proper tactile feedback (ie, surface changes or lumps).
Instead, just get a netbook or a convertible tablet...
the problem with Laptops/Tablets is the weight and poor battery life compared to the tablets
i have a laptop, and it sits at home 90% of the time because of that
instead my SGS has almost replace my laptop entirely, just missing a mouse and keyboard, then i'll be set
looking forward to Froyo, which already confirmed support for BT mouse+keyboards, yay!
I'm sorry, Allgamer, but I have to ask, why are you pushing the SGS so hard?
1) 2 weeks ago, you were claiming that you were a power user, who had to swap your mobile phone batteries once a day, you have a BT headset, which you probably need to charge once a day, and now, a bluetooth keyboard you'll need to charge every 2 or 3 days too? You have a problem with Hybrid battery life (of 5 to 8 hours), but no problems shutting down your mobile to swap batteries constantly?
2) We both know the SGS is awkward to hold (and hurts your wrist after a while), and you can't really lay it down on the table.
3) You complain about the weight, but, the U1 tablet weighs 700gm and the entire hybrid weighs 1.7kg. My CCNA book weighs 1.6 KG as reference. You are in your 20's I thought, and you are already having trouble carrying a book?
4) Power users need productivity, and the SGS is TOTALLY inefficient. One problem is screen size, which makes it difficult to perform many tasks efficiently.
Sorry, but your comments are certainly starting to raise red-flags. By the sounds of things, you either aren't being honest to yourself, are exaggerating your use as a power user, or are trying to make things difficult for yourself.
Tablets don't entirely make sense, but they do as convertible hybrids.. Smartphones make sense for some things, but I have serious trouble believing that "power users" are best suited to using a mobile.
Too big for my pocket. And if I can take that with me, I also can take my netbook.
It's not much bigger...
For gaming+TV it would rock. There is no TV-tuner built in?
Also I need possibilities to run openoffice on it, so I can use it for presentations...
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Finally someone called out this moron for his load of BS he keeps spewing - I'm guessing he's about 14 and gets beat up a lot..
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I wouldn't say that..
But it's the same effect I saw when selling Apple equipment. People become so involved with their devices, that they begin to take an unrealistic look at how good they REALLY are. Apple Mac Pro's are the perfect example.
* In general, the video cards being sold with the Mac Pro's are generations behind those available on PC's. But people love them.
* Some people also LOVED the Apple might mouse, despite the right button being near-impossible to click successfully, because they didn't realise the competition allowed scrolling left and right too.
* Over time, all OSX users seemed to have convinced themselves that Windows crashed every day (even if iPhoto was crashing right in front of them).
*It's the same effect which has convinced Linux users that UAC is more intrusive than PolicyKit (it's actually the opposite).
Either way, the tablet seems targeted at the gimmicky crowd. Their main benefit is casual browsing, and watching movies. But lets face it, touchscreens are still HORRIBLE for typing, and most of us would like to be able to chat to someone whilst watching a movie.
But that's just my thoughts.. Time will tell, but you can't fix the ergonomics issues with tablets, until they are at least bendable, the pixels on the screen can displace themselves forward or backwards (or simply change smooth to rough) or have a perfectly polished neural interface (but neural interfaces are still under heavy development)
Speaking of which... what happened to the flexible display I read about a prototype a year or two ago?
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1- i still do and i always carry a spare battery with me when i go out, that's how often i use the SGS phone, and i keep an extra spare in the car, for when the one i have runs out, and i need another spare to keep with me.
the BT headset doesn't get charge every day, battery life is quite good, only gets charge once every week or two depending on usage, i use the phone for online activities not for yapping
BT keyboard is just a convenient for typing faster, they are foldable, it shrinks down to a pda size, still fits in a pocket, they existed since the Palm times, what's what made the BT keyboard popular, battery life depend on how much you type on it. you won't be charging a BT keyboard as often as you would charge a BT headset.
2- no idea how you are holding it, but it works just the same, for typing with the on screen keyboard it's pretty natural, i even do it one handed when i'm busy with a drink on the other hand, it's not as quick as when you type with both thumbs, but it's doable for SMS and IM, definitely you wont want to type a long email with a single thumb
holding the phone for voice call will just be natural as well, like using any other phone, the only thing that bugs me is the proximity sensor, as it takes a split second to go back to the dialing pad screen, before you can switch to another application to look up for information meanwhile chatting with the customer
3- yes because i don't like to travel with bags, it has nothing to do with lifting weight it's just ruins the look of your shirt, it shifts the shirt to a side with the weight and it doesn't look good, you don't want to hang out with a lady or partying with buddies carrying a laptop/ipad/tablet around is just trouble (it can get beer in it, it can get stolen if you leave it on the side of the restaurant/bar/anyplace, you might forget it if the meeting is going so well and having too much fun, ladies will look at you like a geek, some nicer restaurant will throw you a bad eye for pulling out a laptop on the table, you go to a cinema with a laptop and pull it out they'll automatically think you are going to capture the movie, been there done that, not fun, it was totally stupid if you ask me, since when you can get a decent recording out of a laptop webcam? LOL )
all of that aside, when you pull out an iphone or the SGS, no one will complain to you, instead people would say WOW! can i see that, can i do this, can i play that, can i... you get the idea, it's totally 2 side of the spectrum
That's what Apple is selling, and that's what people like, non geeky devices that works, and Samsung is just riding the same wave.
Personally i don't care, i just want a device that is better than Windows crapile, and the combination of Samsung hardware + Android OS have done that for me.
If PalmOS was still around on a phone similar to SGS i'd have gone the PalmOS way instead, as the OS is much more polished, still buggy, but there are tons of Apps for it... too bad the company went under bought by HP, and trashed to the pages of history.
4- for me productivity means being able to get online and log on to servers anywhere i'm in, for documents we got ThinkFreeOffice which is sufficient for me, and i was able to convert my old Palm Doc To Go office to the Android version of Doc To Go. with the SGS i can hookup to all my different companies accounts (15+), and they will all each keep their own separate contact list, in Wincrap mobile it would have been a major mess, you can't have both personal and work accounts together, now that's efficiency for me.
same goes with IM, i can be online with all my email accounts and people can contact me all over, it's so easy, in Wincrap i had to use those jabber IMs to do the same and it was always disconnecting because it goes through jabber and it's not stable enough to make IM conversation a good experience as people always said i was offline when i was not.
Since i switched to SGS using the stock push email & IM, i've not had any problem, all my customers are happy, and when customers are happy, i'm happy.
Typing is decent with SGS, it can be better with a BT keyboard, too bad i can't use it yet until Froyo is out.
Browsing speed is amazing, i can look up stuff instantly, this is a great topic when having a coffe with friends and customers, i'm a forgetful person i depend on a reliable PDA for my work, so it's amazing for people when they see i can jump back and forth between apps in the phone to look up about the stuff i forget during our conversations and then continue with the meeting.
It is just so natural this phone, compared to all previous ones. the best thing is, it's small, it can go anywhere, even under water if you put it on one of those waterproof bags for PDAs available on DX
If being able to do everything you need to do at anywhere and at anytime is not efficient for you, then i don't know what is, but for me that is exactly the type of device i need to do my work, and hobby, and entertainment, and picture, and recording, and specially the GPS as i use it every day while i drive, my Speedo in the car is broken.
was trying to install some custom mods to the car and screwed up the speedo needle fuel tank needle is dead as well, good think it lights up when it runs low in gas.
All in all you don't need to believe me, but that is truly how magnificent this phone works for people that knows how to use it.
I give free lesson and consulting on how to use it and get the most out of it and people love it, as usual I'll extend my hand for anyone that needs help with the phone in the GTA area, just PM me to book for an appointment.
i carry the XDA App anyways, i use it all the time to check my PMs and forum topics when i'm idle
andrewluecke said:
I'm sorry, Allgamer, but I have to ask, why are you pushing the SGS so hard?
1) 2 weeks ago, you were claiming that you were a power user, who had to swap your mobile phone batteries once a day, you have a BT headset, which you probably need to charge once a day, and now, a bluetooth keyboard you'll need to charge every 2 or 3 days too? You have a problem with Hybrid battery life (of 5 to 8 hours), but no problems shutting down your mobile to swap batteries constantly?
2) We both know the SGS is awkward to hold (and hurts your wrist after a while), and you can't really lay it down on the table.
3) You complain about the weight, but, the U1 tablet weighs 700gm and the entire hybrid weighs 1.7kg. My CCNA book weighs 1.6 KG as reference. You are in your 20's I thought, and you are already having trouble carrying a book?
4) Power users need productivity, and the SGS is TOTALLY inefficient. One problem is screen size, which makes it difficult to perform many tasks efficiently.
Sorry, but your comments are certainly starting to raise red-flags. By the sounds of things, you either aren't being honest to yourself, are exaggerating your use as a power user, or are trying to make things difficult for yourself.
Tablets don't entirely make sense, but they do as convertible hybrids.. Smartphones make sense for some things, but I have serious trouble believing that "power users" are best suited to using a mobile.
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i have spare batteries too.. one i leave at work in case i forget.. i also use the external wall chargers.. the onese that go from purple to blue when charged... i have a couple of the g9 batteries i got from the samsung website and find they work even better than the g7 batteries..
I'll probably stick to my SGS and HP Elitebook 2730 tablet for when I need a larger display. With the extra battery slice on the latter I can easily rival the IPad's battery life yet do a heck of a lot more. It is heavier but I don't mind.
Given that Google says Froyo isn't designed for tablet use I'll probably hold off on the Tab either way though.
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funkeh said:
I've been browsing this forum for a little while now and found AllGamers threads very helpful indeed and it hasn't cost me a penny.
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that's usually a major thing i keep in mind, like to stick with FREE stuff, because i'm poor... well not exactly true, i just spend money like there's no tomorrow, buying whatever i feel like on the spot if it tickles my fancy.
so FREE helps a lot, LOL
99% of the apps i suggest from android market are free, as i try to save were i can, so that i can spend it else when when i go out drinking
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Android looks relatively Vanilla on the Tab. Can someone use the tab firmware to cook a similar ROM for the Galaxy S?
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Android looks relatively Vanilla on the Tab. Can someone use the tab firmware to cook a similar ROM for the Galaxy S?
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I'm pretty sure once we (some one from XDA) can get their hands on a working unit, that might actually be possible
as the Tab shares so much in common with the SGS, except for the screen size
we might need to edit the Aspect Ratio / resolution on the Tabs ROM and we might be able to use on our phones
i like the Gmail app version running on the Tab, you can split the screen, we can't do it yet with our current version when in landscape mode
Outlook lovers will love that feature
Any one else finding that most of the reviews of the Tab seem to be written by people who just don't get it?
I'm the first in line to call a spade a spade (that would be "shovel a shovel" for our American cousins) but I truly believe the Tab is a fantastic device and I cannot see where most of these reviewers are coming from.
I'm sure that some would say that us Tab buyers are trying to justify our purchase, but I'm honestly finding that the Tab has exceeded my expectations which were already quite high.
I've been in the market for a device that could sit between my laptop(s) and smartphone for casual media consumption and web browsing, and since buying my Tab last Friday, my Macbook has sat on my coffee table untouched and my HTC Desire has only really seen use as a phone.
I was seriously considering an Advent Vega, Toshiba Folio 100, or Archos 101 as they were all around half the price of the Tab, but after my experience with the Toshiba AC100 Android smartbook I decided that I really wanted the full Google experience (Market, Gmail etc) because it was just so much easier than faffing around with APKs etc.
In less than a week, beyond sitting at my desk, the Tab has become my primary device for Internet and media consumption, and I honestly did not expect that to occur.
Whilst the poor reviews don't affect me directly, I'm concerned that many people would be put off this fantastic device without giving it a fair crack of the ship which I can assure anyone who is sitting on the fence, the Tab most surely deserves!
Regards,
Dave
I tend to agree Dave.
The Tab is one of the best, if not THE best, android device i have used to date (and i have used many).
but its not for everyone and it does have some issues that needs to be addressed (such as the laggy browser).
It does seems like Samsung were able to overcome the issues the SGS had with the SGT and all the power to them.
I do think the reviewers just don't get it.
Some if the reviews i have read are just full of lies and totally biased (see BGR's review).
I really like the stock browser, but it is too laggy compared to others. Samsung should definitely have worked harder on that.
I'm also not convinced by swype on a device of this size but I could be convinced, if I could have swype automatically in portrait and something else in landscape.
Regards,
Dave
I don't think the reviews I've read have been overly negative but I've only read a handful:
Oddly, I found the review on Engadget to be one of the better ones, even if they only scored it 7/10.
They seemed genuinely enthusiastic about the Tab, which flies in the face somewhat of their general pro-Apple bias. I guess it just proves that some of the Engadget writers are genuinely enthusiastic about tech and not just stuff made in Cupertino.
GSMArena, normally a beacon of decent reviews, seemed to get a bit too hung up on trying to compare it to the iPad whilst avoiding declaring one better than the other. That and criticising the price a lot.
They also mentioned issues like the screen having ghosting issues, which I just couldn't reproduce when I used the Tab.
There was a 'review' on the BBC site by one of their tech bloggers which was beyond pitiful.
It just compared web-browsing and playing videos but was so lacking in any genuine insight or intelligence that I would advise not wasting your time on it.
Then the review on BGR, that one really did annoy me.
The reviewer criticised the pixel density of the Tab compared to smartphones and criticised the screen as too small compared to the iPad whilst conveniently ignoring the iPad's poorer pixel density.
If I was being generous, I'd say the review just didn't 'get' the Tab but it smacked much more of pro-Apple bias IMO.
So, one good review, one in-depth but indecisive review, one non-review and one advert for the iPad...
However, reading a lot of the comments left on various sites in response to their reviews, I would say there is a definite lack of 'getting' out there.
A lot of people just don't seem to see the appeal or usefulness of the Tab, which is fair enough everyone's entitled to their opinion but like you Dave, I'm not convinced they've actually given the Tab a fair go before reaching that decision.
Read WIRED review
http://m.wired.com/reviews/2010/11/galaxy_tab/
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Read WIRED review
http://m.wired.com/reviews/2010/11/galaxy_tab/
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For those of us not on a mobile device: http://www.wired.com/reviews/2010/11/galaxy_tab/
well, comparing the tab with full fledge tablet will be useless
as i see it, tab is a phone that have tablet capabilities, considering they're still using FroYo which was a phone OS primarily
but when google OS for Tablet is ready in the market, and the tab get it, Ipad will get some rivalry from galaxy tab for sure, as Ipad cant be used as a phone, at all
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well, comparing the tab with full fledge tablet will be useless
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I would say that comparison to any other Android tablets or the iPad is far from useless as they're all running similarly-capable OSs.
True, comparison to something running, say, Win7 would be a bit of a waste of time but I fail to see why comparing a 7" Android tablet to a 10" Android tablet would be useless.
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as i see it, tab is a phone that have tablet capabilities
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And what, if you don't mind me asking, are 'tablet capabilities'?
My vibrant feels so small now.
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Step666 said:
I would say that comparison to any other Android tablets or the iPad is far from useless as they're all running similarly-capable OSs.
True, comparison to something running, say, Win7 would be a bit of a waste of time but I fail to see why comparing a 7" Android tablet to a 10" Android tablet would be useless.
And what, if you don't mind me asking, are 'tablet capabilities'?
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Well let me put my fair understanding on both devices.
IPAD ADV
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- Bigger Screen: More Space for applications, pleasant for the eye
- Brighter Screen
- Longer Battery Life
- Applications tailored just for IPAD
IPAD DISV
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- Heavy.. use on one hand for a long time is just not comfortable.
- Can't Make Call without Jail Breaking / Additional Support
- Bulky, It would mean that you have to carry a bag with you all the time.
- Most of the stuffs don't work in IPAD. e.q. Flash
This is critical for some reason and at least for now, most websites run flash: Videos or Games and it's extremely cumbersome to get the contents to be played on the IPAD. Tethering not working right out of the box (if i remember correctly)
- No support for widgets. why is this important? well, because it's a feature that enable us to glance through information easily or access certain function easily. Plus, it's beautiful and pleasing. Imagine, you want to check your Data Usage, all you have to do is open your screen and you know straight how many have you used instead of opening the program and do a check button again. >.<!!
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- Connectivity: you can make call, browsing using wifi or 3G.
- Light in size and pocket-able on most jeans or clothing.
- All in One? compared to IPAD, you will need an extra pair of device as a phone but with tab, you have it all.
- Device capable for honey comb & ginger bread.
- As android is open source, it's open to development and customization. This would mean that if samsung doesn't make SGT good enough for people, a team or someone can make that customization to provide more battery life, better interface etc.
SGT DISADV
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- Built on TFT technology.. which the screen is slightly distorted on certain angle.
- Compared to IPAD, the battery life sucks. However,
you get widgets, connectivity and multi tasking done right and still it's enough to be used as a daily phone / tablet.
- Not many application tailored for SGTab yet and my feeling about this is the future is a bit unknown .. With so many screen resolutions out. 7inch 8.9inch 10 inch.. it's just making it hard for developer to tailor the application but all in all, the android tablet coming to the market is definite so it's possible that the tailored applications will be growing steadily.
My Summary:
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While ipad offers better battery life, applications, screen and performance. It does have certain disadvantages such as lack of flash support, customization, calls and it's bulky. And for some who wish to have portability and entertainment on the GO, Tab is definitely superior than IPAD in many ways. However, taking apps into consideration, the Apps in IPAD is amazing simply because they are tailored. Android is still evolving. We will see more applications tailored for Android tablet size become available in the near future. Having said that i would say all in all, the pro and cons between these two devices is 50:50 and at the end of the day, it's up to your preference whether you want a device with good apps support but lack portability or you want one with all in and portable.
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I'm the first in line to call a spare a spare (that would be "shovel a shovel" for our American cousins)...
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Dave
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I believe that should be "call a spade a spade" - for the non-Americans...
-Daniel
Why is everyone comparing to an IPAD...this isnt an IPAD! Forget the reviews....I can show you 100 reviews that say it's a fantastic device....ask the users....
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I believe that should be "call a spade a spade" - for the non-Americans...
-Daniel
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Curse predictive keyboards!
Dave
Sorry for my bad english.
Then my point of view :
The SGT is not the better yes i agree with that.
But for me the point of view is different for everybody. Why ? Because i buy my 'item' because all off my requested features are in my 'item'.
If you havn't yet, look up the review that carrypad has done.
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Why is everyone comparing to an IPAD...this isnt an IPAD! Forget the reviews....I can show you 100 reviews that say it's a fantastic device....ask the users....
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exactly. and also this flash nonsense always. yes we can do flash. but this is not the killer argument here.
this is a handy tablet with a nice os. thats it. and it can be used as a phone too.
it has a great speaker, which makes conference calls very nice.
widgets with that screen size rocks. gamings is brilliant on the device.
there is no need for comparison to some other device. this one is great.
Most of the reviews I've seen have been positive if not amazing, the Giz article is not an outstanding review or the best piece of journalism I've seen!
My iPad is a lounge device, my SGT is my RoadWarrior device. I wouldn't compare them as they fill 2 very different roles for me.
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I'm also not convinced by swype on a device of this size but I could be convinced, if I could have swype automatically in portrait and something else in landscape.
Regards,
Dave
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Hello have you try to use keyboardmanager on the market
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Hello all,
I currently work with a Lenovo Thinkpad tablet (for about a year now) and as far as productivity is concerned it is great. The pen helps greatly for marking up drawings, making drawings, photo editing, etc. The problem with this tab however is that it is slow, buggy and poorly constructed. Has anyone compared these two? Here are some of the problems I have with the Thinkpad tablet that I hope were corrected with the the Note 10.1:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
I love and need the pen to work. My TPT was out of commission for 3-4 days and I suffered through it realizing that phones and iPads don't cut it (my wife has an iPad) for productivity. Can any other business professionals (or students) let me know how it's been? Also has anyone tested Quill on it yet? That's my favorite note taking application.
Also are the pens different in any way? Wacom vs active digitizer? This was something I'd always wondered as well, if pens on the upscale windows tabs were different than the one on the Flyer, TPT and now Note 10.1.
Well the tablet is not slow by any means and the pen is not jumpy and it seems pretty well constructed no screen bleed or creaking anywhere. You should get one from amazon or best buy to try out and if you don't like it just return it. Can't answer your question about the digitizer though I have no idea. But it works well for what it is.
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j_ambitious said:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
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I came from an OG G-Tab 10.1. All the original Teg2 tablets were slow. I'm not sure if you mean boot time or time for the lock screen to display after you hit the power button when the device is sleeping. If it's the latter it's pretty much instantaneous. From pressing restart until the lock screen appeared took 42 seconds.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
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Samsung tablets are built like tanks. There's a thread showing the Note torn down. You'll see its pretty well put together.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
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All other Anroid tablets have capacitive displays. The Note is inductive with a Wacom digitizer and palm rejection. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
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Coming from a Teg2 device you'll be blown away. The browsing experience is near desktop quality.
I am a former Lenovo Thinkpad owner - after my first android tablet experience on the transformer prime, I found that the capacitative stylus allowed me nowhere near the amount of precision that I would be allowed with an active digitizer. Thus, I made the switch to the Lenovo Thinkpad based on the android community consensus that although the tablet didn't offer much, it did offer decent handwriting input via the integrated n-trig system. However, I soon got rid of it because I ran into many of the same problems you did. Having heard the news that a new tablet with an active digitizer was released, the Galaxy Note 10.1, I sprung $500 for it 3 days ago - the difference between the Thinkpad and the Note is night and day in all aspects. If you are on the fence, give it a try. I got mine at best buy knowing that they offer 30 day returns. Right now it is looking like I am keeping it.
You seem to have about all of the questions that I have had on my road to the Note; I'll try to answer them as best I can keeping in mind you are a thinkpad owner.
1) Start-up is FAST. Reboots are no problem. Unlocking the screen is quick as any modern android device.
2) This thing is beautifully constructed - slim and sexy. The Thinkpad is so bulky to me. You won't be replacing any parts on the Note - I'm fairly positive they're all staying in place
3) The stylus response, arguably the most important aspect in a Galaxy Note review, is magnificent. The pressure sensitivity is right on. As an added bonus, the integrated software, S Note, does a great job at capturing the Note's potential for taking notes. Just look up a youtube video of its features. I am currently taking good looking notes at near the speed of pen and paper ( it takes a little practice, as writing on any new medium might, to get precise with it). One thing you may be used to with the Thinkpad is the clicky clacky sound it makes against the tablet screen. The Note's stylus is very quiet.
4) It is a pretty fast tablet. Never have had a problem multitasking or handling large pdf's and a little more. For example; I am taking organic chemistry and I solely rely on the etextbook which is easily a 500 page pdf file. On top of this, I multitask with S Note either to the side or under it, copying information from the text to my note almost seamlessly. Minimal page lag for such a large file. Take note of the hardware - the note has 2GB Ram and a quadcore processor. It is going to be an improvement over the dated thinkpad tablet.
As for quill, I have not tried it yet. However, I have used S Note, Papyrus, and Lecture Notes thus far. S Note is wonderful for all of its features and that it can multitask in the OS. Papyrus has wonderful input, especially for sensing how hard you are pressing down and writing very accurately. But ultimately, S Note does the trick for me right now (Papyrus is missing a few key features at this stage in its development, but try it out if/when you get a Note tablet because it displays some things that the tablet really is capable of doing).
The stylus itself is much smaller than the Thinkpad stylus. Here it is really a matter of preference: to me it feels great in the hand. From what I hear, they sell accessory styli which have some sort of imbedded eraser but I don't know much about this. The Note stylus has a single button which in my opinion is a little bit to easy to accidentally touch, but this doesn't both me. So far the only use I have made of it is to take screenshots.
I should note that I actually prefer using the Note Stylus to navigate through the OS. It allows me a great deal of precision in clicking links that on other tablets I would have first had to pinch and zoom to accurately select. I even like typing with it, as the Note offers a smaller optional keyboard which is just the right size for accurately selecting what you want to type with it.
Like the Thinkpad, there is an integrated silo for putting the stylus in. It fits sleekly in the corner of the device.
As far as Wacom vs N-Trig, what I know is that they are similar technologies. Wacom is a little older, and has the reputation of being further along in its development. Don't discriminate on a tablet because it has one or the other technology - sometimes wacom is better; sometimes n-trig is better. You can't quantify which is better based on their name, but by how well they are implemented in the technology. You can easily say that you want to stay away from a capacitative system on a tablet, but you can't say you want to stay away from either ntrig or wacom because they are basically the same technology (active digitizers), to my understanding.
Lastly I should mention some things you haven't asked about.
- The speakers are some of the best I have found on any similar tablet ( they are front facing)
- The camera quality seems to be pretty much consistent with other competing tablets. Not the best, but not bad at all.
- The screen resolution is something people have griped about, but I think they screen looks beautiful personally. Sure it isn't ipad or tf infinity resolution, but it looks really good to me. On a scale of 1-5, it gets a 4 on the screen to me. Such a minor tradeoff for such accurate stylus recognition.
Above all, do your research before purchasing. As a student and casual artist, it fits my needs - like any technology it is going to make you wish you had something a little more. The Thinkpad let you do things no other android tablet could do at the time when it came out. The same can be said for the Note, but in so much more of a great way.
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One thing you may be used to with the Thinkpad is the clicky clacky sound it makes against the tablet screen. The Note's stylus is very quiet.
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Hm. Mine is exactly like that -- "clicky clacky." Any of the pen tips depress a little bit if you press on it and it results in that constant clicking sound when using it. Is that normal? It's the only disappointment I've found as the pen on my Note phone is quiet just like you said.
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I also have a Thinkpad Tablet and the SGN10.1.
While satisfied with the TPT and used it alot, the biggest reason I got the SGN was the TPT pen was too painful to use for long periods of time. The loose nib interfered with pressure accuracy and physical feedback and was very noisy.
The TPT tablet N-Trig pen is positionally more accurate than the SGN Wacom pen due to it's technology using direct contact between the pen and screen grid.
But the Wacom uses radio waves, like phased array radar, I think. If you draw lines with a ruler, you'll see distortions near the edges of the screen:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
This is due to the Wacom radio waves being distorted by the metal LCD frame and other electronics. (And also why the other wacom tablets have such wide borders around them.)
Generally, this isn't a problem if you keep your art near the middle of the screen, but you will see the pen 'jump' or swerve in these areas.
(I used to have the Asus EeeSlate (EP121), which was horrible for pen accuracy and latencies. Asus support pointed to Wacom and visa versa. Frustrated, I sold it and got the TPT.)
The SGN comes with 2 types of nibs. The black one has some screen resistance and seems softer, while the white ones glide with little resistance. So, it's nice to have better physical feedback for better hand/eye coordination.
These nibs are smaller and shorter than the standard Wacom pen nibs. Other Pen-Enabled pens will work here, but they have longer nibs and are inaccurate when tilted.
FWIW, benchmarks comparing the Nvidia Tegra-3 with the Samsung Exynos Quad Core are here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_odroidx&num=1 The ODROID-X board has the same CPU as the SGN10.1.
(I also have the dual core Exynos and Tegra-2 development boards. The dual core Exynos and Tegra-2 perform about the same, both are 1GHz.)
Overall, I'm happier with the SGN because I'm more comfortable sketching with it.
EDIT: TPT Jumpy Pen - I see this a lot in Sketchbook Pro. It could be an app slowing down the input processes. But I did notice that the SGN cursor will move/update while SBP was choking on short strokes/tiny circles.
EDIT 2: GPS did not work on TPT, but works great on SGN10.1...
I have also a Lenovo TPT and I am only reading about the GN10.1.
For me it seems the only pros for the TPT are:
+ Full USB-Port
+ Full SD-Card Slot
+ Micro USB to connect quick to a PC or other Tablet
+ Micro HDMI out
+ Hardware Buttons (If you get root for fullscreen)
- Pen sometimes not working when palm rested, I need a glove for having no problems
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++ Robust and good easy to hold surface on its back
Big pros for GN10.1:
++ Speed CPU
++ Speed GPU
++ Loud Speakers
+ lighter
+ flash
and the rest better or equal with the TPT
(I bet there are even more things, please tell if you know more)
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GPS works for me with the TPT 3G version, but takes sometimes 3 minutes until the first lock
ed.3: (wifi and 3g off, no support for the gps from there)...
ed.2:
The problems with the Buttons, GPS with wifi only, dust under the screen (at least under mine) are of course big cons for the TPT
and I guess the GN10.1 will be better there, but imo its still to early to say "all works fine" with GN10.1.
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Hello all,
I currently work with a Lenovo Thinkpad tablet (for about a year now) and as far as productivity is concerned it is great. The pen helps greatly for marking up drawings, making drawings, photo editing, etc. The problem with this tab however is that it is slow, buggy and poorly constructed. Has anyone compared these two? Here are some of the problems I have with the Thinkpad tablet that I hope were corrected with the the Note 10.1:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
I love and need the pen to work. My TPT was out of commission for 3-4 days and I suffered through it realizing that phones and iPads don't cut it (my wife has an iPad) for productivity. Can any other business professionals (or students) let me know how it's been? Also has anyone tested Quill on it yet? That's my favorite note taking application.
Also are the pens different in any way? Wacom vs active digitizer? This was something I'd always wondered as well, if pens on the upscale windows tabs were different than the one on the Flyer, TPT and now Note 10.1.
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Well, I also have the TPT and I'm already considering selling my ThinkPad. I find everything to be better. That said, I may have gotten a Lenovo Lemon. It's going into repair for the final straw that broke my resolve - the back button fell off and cannot be reattached.
All things considered, I rate the GNote very highly. If you're going to do art on it, that's something I can't help with.
I used Quill, works great. I also tested Lecture Notes, Papayrus Beta, Color Notes, almost any note you can think of. Love the inking, my friend. LOVE it. The feel of the stylus is different, it's true, but I now prefer it. And, it's very quiet when writing.
GNote is light weight, but doesn't feel cheap. Looks good, both colors, tho' I prefer the gray. Speakers ROCK!, and I know you know what I mean, when talking about the TPT. Worst speakers ever there. Camera actually delivers sharp images, even the it's only a 5MP vs. Lenovo's 8MP.
Browsing for me is slow, but that's where I live and the provider I have. It's quite snappy to do all things. I've found no lag or force closes, except from Dolphin. LOL Some things never change.
All I can say is that Samsung did a great job with this tablet. It's no beast, like the TPT. If you drop it I'm sure you'll pay the price, but the screen, resolution, are all comparable. Very happy here.
ETA - GPS works! Less than a second and it was locked. That' Russian add-on, that I can't remember the name of, really works.
Sounds good
My TPT will also go to the repair-centre and if there are still problems I will get rid of it.
Good point with the robustness and i forgot also the "good grip" surface on the back of the TPT.
But with a good case for the Note in future, it will be protected and ready for carrying it to university, school or meeting etc...
(Did you try to get a GPS signal without 3G or Wifi support with the GN10.1? It can download additional data for getting its location quicker..)
There is a new Update on the Lenovo TPT which seems to fix the Pen-Problem.
If that is true I will keep it
( Working fine for its money and got enough connectors)
toenail_flicker said:
Well, I also have the TPT and I'm already considering selling my ThinkPad. I find everything to be better. That said, I may have gotten a Lenovo Lemon. It's going into repair for the final straw that broke my resolve - the back button fell off and cannot be reattached.
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I think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either. I'm getting ready to sell mine this week because the GNote blows it out of the water in every meaningful way. The only leg the TPT has up on the GNote in my opinion is the full-sized ports, but ultimately there are work-arounds.
As a note of irony, the comparisons of the TPT to the GNote on the Lenovo.com hosted TPT forum have reached the point where the moderators are closing the threads, deleting threads, censoring posts which praise the GNote (without indicating that the moderators edited them), and telling users to talk about it on Samsung's or other vendors forums. The irony is that seems Lenovo's support team is borrowing a page from the Chinese government on information control.
Here's a link to the Lenovo forum for the TPT, but the "subversive" threads have already been deleted. Sigh.
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
JCHP
Ditto, sad that it's come to this. We can't mention the Gnote anymore on that forum.
Guess they realized that it's a lost battle.
404Science said:
Ditto, sad that it's come to this. We can't mention the Gnote anymore on that forum.
Guess they realized that it's a lost battle.
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Hey, 404. Good to see you here.
I took a screenshot this morning of your post about the "Crackdown," and my response, as I suspected it would be soon deleted. I was right! I was thinking we should start referring to the GNote on that forum as "Tablemort," or "The tablet which must not be named."
JC
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I think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either.
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How can you that know from only getting feedback from one forum, where not all users are able or want to write less the ones without problems?
What do you know about if and which improvments are made with the newer production versions of the TPT?
I dont know it, and I dont know how to find out.
You?
jchammerpants said:
As a note of irony, the comparisons of the TPT to the GNote on the Lenovo.com hosted TPT forum have reached the point where the moderators are closing the threads, deleting threads, censoring posts which praise the GNote (without indicating that the moderators edited them), and telling users to talk about it on Samsung's or other vendors forums. The irony is that seems Lenovo's support team is borrowing a page from the Chinese government on information control.
Here's a link to the Lenovo forum for the TPT, but the "subversive" threads have already been deleted. Sigh.
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
JCHP
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Yeah, I saw that. Pretty anti free speech. I'm always on the mods nerve, anyway. I'm lucky they haven't banned me. I was on their nerve before the issues started showing up, because of the free speech thing.
splotz said:
How can you that know from only getting feedback from one forum, where not all users are able or want to write less the ones without problems?
What do you know about if and which improvments are made with the newer production versions of the TPT?
I dont know it, and I dont know how to find out.
You?
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Hmmm... you make some interesting points.
But as for me, I still think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either.
JC
FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.
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FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.
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Did you find out if newer versions are fixed?
jchammerpants said:
Hey, 404. Good to see you here.
I took a screenshot this morning of your post about the "Crackdown," and my response, as I suspected it would be soon deleted. I was right! I was thinking we should start referring to the GNote on that forum as "Tablemort," or "The tablet which must not be named."
JC
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Haha, I just read that and posted something earlier along those lines. I was totally thinking of Voldemort.
We should post a photo with the TPT on a gravestone.
So I've got my Gnote and I am a happy man. 30 mins to get up and running with all my old apps and dropbox sync.
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Ezpdf is sooo smooth on this device!!!
I'm speechless... This is what the TPT was supposed to be!
Even LectureNotes works smoothly. I was so slow on the TPT!
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FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.
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What he said!!!!:good:
I'm in the market for a tablet (or possibly a Chromebook). I'm an editor of a website and need to be able to use it to work on my Wordpress site effectively so strong browser support and keyboard input is crucial.
I like the idea of an Android tablet as I own a Galaxy S4 and have a large collection of Android apps already. Thus, it would also start out with a nice collection of apps.
I'm a bit unclear as to the differences between the Tab Pro 12.2 and the Note Pro 12.2. They seem very alike except for the stylus. Clearly I'm missing something as that's not much to account for the price difference.
I have an iPad 2 and it's nice but I can't really work on it at all. It's too small to enjoy movies on and, sorry, it's Apple so it's too limited.
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
I'm older so larger is better for my eyes. I'm at a point where I often pretty much need reading glasses for my S4 now.
For ages I was thinking I wanted a Transformer of some design but Asus seems to have fallen behind. Samsung seems to give me lots of potential breathing room.
Any input greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure the Note Pro and Tab Pro are identical except for the S-Pen and wacom digitizer that powers it. Absolutely if you don't need pen input for notes or drawing then get the Tab.
You can use just about any Bluetooth keyboard with the Pro 12.2. I've had no trouble with several Logitech and Microsoft BT keyboards. I haven't used any of the made-for Note 12.2 keyboards.
My personal fave keyboard is the Logitech K810. It feels excellent for typing, has backlit keys and can instantly switch between 3 different devices.Its very quiet too- keys feel really nice.
Honestly though, if you really want the best laptop style experience, personally I'd opt for a decent lightweight x86 laptop vs a tablet. I'm not crazy about chromebooks though. I'd personally take the Note 12.2 over a chromebook any day, but that's just me.
Thanks. I keep thinking about a laptop but wonder about battery life, weight and the lack of instant-on, etc. I have my desktop always on so x86 isn't a problem. I saw the Tab Pro 12.2 at Best Buy today (they didn't have the Note Pro 12.2) and the size was fine.
However, on your keyboard issue. My concern is that I would like it to be connected so that it can act as a solid laptop replacement. It sounds like you use yours, say, around the house? Not sure how comfortable I'd be transporting two devices like that.
Years ago I'd loathe the thought of converting to Mac but I gotta tell ya, the retina macbook pros are pretty sweet in regards to battery life and instant on . . .
Agree with Zaptoons. Mobile platforms are always a compromise. I have to wonder if you'll be able to do the Wordpress work on Android, though I do see that there are apps for it.
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Years ago I'd loathe the thought of converting to Mac but I gotta tell ya, the retina macbook pros are pretty sweet in regards to battery life and instant on . . .
Agree with Zaptoons. Mobile platforms are always a compromise. I have to wonder if you'll be able to do the Wordpress work on Android, though I do see that there are apps for it.
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On the Mac, that might be a bit out of the price range for this purchase. I also really despise Apple on too many fronts. I recommend them highly and readily -- just not for me so far, but I will continue to refresh the thinking.
On Wordpress work, it really comes down to the capability of the browser. As long as it supports a solid browser experience, I should be okay. I hit Best Buy today to see if the 12.2 would be "too big" and it wasn't. I loaded the browser and it seemed to be solid. I just wasn't comfortable logging into Wordpress though. No idea about stored accounts, etc.
I hear you on the mac.
Definition of solid performance is subjective, you realize that right?
Let's put it this way; unless there's a tablet specific application to do what you need to on wordpress then nothing other than screen size is going to differ between the Note Pro and your s4. The browsers are going to be about the same.
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Leading up to the launch of the Note Pro 12.2 I was eager to get one. Then I stopped by Best Buy and, on a whim, picked up the Acer C720P Chromebook. For a third the cost it doesn't have as big, high resolution or bright of a screen as the Note Pro but it has served me well for everything I need in a mobile device. I even stopped using my Note 10.1 OG. Notice I said mobile device. The Acer has typically given me a solid 7 hours of batter life which is amazing.
Having said that...if you are worried about needing reading glasses and want more screen real estate, the Note Pro might be your path. Though, with a higher resolution type is smaller at normal zoom. You can simply zoom in for bigger text.
If WordPress is your thing, the Chromebook will handle that with no issues. It is a browser afterall.
I'm still contemplating the Note Pro but it is not at the top of my wish list since I purchased the Chromebook. At first it was weird to get used to but it is second nature now and the added offline support for most of the Google apps has sealed the deal for me.
Just my two cents.
Again, great info from all. My thoughts:
1. I haven't had good luck with Android Wordpress apps. To me, they're all a kludge. However, that doesn't mean you can't be productive with Wordpress on Android. The limitation on my S4 is real estate. The browser seems to work fine but I can't be effective with the size of the screen or the keyboard. I suspect a larger screen would work. In part I was hoping I'd get lucky and find another Wordpress user who happened to have luck (or no luck) on this device or a similar one.
2. I have a bit of a klunky Chromebook. A while back I installed Chrome on a eePC -- an entry level Asus T100 or something like that. It's a horrible piece of HARDWARE. I have zero issues with the OS itself and it feels very natural to me. However, I have this haunting feeling that Chrome itself is becoming a dinosaur. As Android continues to prosper, it's dwarfing Chrome to such a point that, I suspect, Android will evolve into being an OS we can use on any device. Maybe I'm missing something entirely about its potential, but that's my thinking. There isn't much going on in the development world for it compared to Android where there's exponentially more options.
Right now, having seen it, I'm concerned about ease of keyboard use (physical). Given the top-heavy design of the tablet having most of the weight, using it on my lap looks pretty impossible. The right keyboard seems an issue too. Samsung's has those raised edges that, I suspect my wrists will want to sit on (ouch). Logitech's keyboard sounds great except for the fact that most of the reviews of it contain horror stories of the Note Pro falling out of its clasps. The other options are all poorly reviewed.
Asus has the combo Android/Windows device but its not all that impressive. Heck, I'd rather it was an Android/Chrome device. hehe
It also appears as if the hybrid options from Asus are cancelled due to pressure from both Google and Microsoft. hehe Neither their Duet or Trio looked all that impressive (lousy battery life, Android 4.2, low resolution, average screens).
Update please
Agrajag27 said:
I'm in the market for a tablet (or possibly a Chromebook). I'm an editor of a website and need to be able to use it to work on my Wordpress site effectively so strong browser support and keyboard input is crucial.
I like the idea of an Android tablet as I own a Galaxy S4 and have a large collection of Android apps already. Thus, it would also start out with a nice collection of apps.
I'm a bit unclear as to the differences between the Tab Pro 12.2 and the Note Pro 12.2. They seem very alike except for the stylus. Clearly I'm missing something as that's not much to account for the price difference.
I have an iPad 2 and it's nice but I can't really work on it at all. It's too small to enjoy movies on and, sorry, it's Apple so it's too limited.
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
I'm older so larger is better for my eyes. I'm at a point where I often pretty much need reading glasses for my S4 now.
For ages I was thinking I wanted a Transformer of some design but Asus seems to have fallen behind. Samsung seems to give me lots of potential breathing room.
Any input greatly appreciated.
Which way did u decide to go? I'd love to know your thoughts!
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The only difference is the stylus really. If you plan to be taking this to meetings or digitize any part of your handwriting, then the NOTE pro is the device to get, as the TAB pro has no stylus and thus does not specialize itself in taking handwritten notes. I got the wifi version, im satisfied, although probably the LTE snapdragon version may be slightly snappier. If samsung decides to offer some decent customer support in terms of software then overall this will be a good buy. Other than thati find battery life great. I havent used keyboards yet, however if you plan to be using this at a desk u will find the extra screen size v v useful vs the 10 inches. If u plan to be holding it in bed a lot, it could get some time to get used to,but i did. Multi window is v useful in making the experience more windows like and enhances productivity. Browser support is good but not quite the pc levels yet.
You could not investigate surface pro 3 vs this one.
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The only difference is the stylus really. If you plan to be taking this to meetings or digitize any part of your handwriting, then the pro is the device to get.
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They both are called Pro. You meant to say Note Pro if using S pen for note taking. I think there is also difference in RAM, Note Pro has 3Gb, Tab Pro has 2.
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They both are called Pro. You meant to say Note Pro if using S pen for note taking. I think there is also difference in RAM, Note Pro has 3Gb, Tab Pro has 2.
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Edited and clarified. Thanks
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Girl527 said:
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
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I went with the Note Pro 12.2. I'm very glad I did. Here are same random observations:
1. It's not quite as "polished" as an iPad but it is more flexible in use. I'll take that any day.
2. The size is excellent. Very good for watching a film at the airport, etc.
3. Google seems to be the worst thing about the device. Limitations I find all lead to them at the end. For example, Chrome (the browser) is a cheap imitation of its cousins on PC and Chromebooks. It doesn't do spell checking well, it has odd bugs like opening tabs by using the keyboard. Hit CTRL-T and you'll have to sometimes do it twice to get a new tab and then you get two. Google also doesn't give devs a way to re-assign mouse buttons should you use a bluetooth mouse for a bit of laptop-replacement work. That gets a bit strange as the right mouse button doesn't bring up options (like you get when you hold a screen link or item on the touchscreen) but instead acts like the back button on the device. Doh.
4. The keyboards are all a mixed bag. The Zagg is okay but has annoying raised corners than your hands sit on when typing and its also a bit cheap feeling and not very responsive. The Samsung keyboard isn't really a case. It's more like a snap-on cover that's entirely unconnected when used as a keyboard It just lets the tablet sit at an angle in it which makes it tough to use in bed, for example. It also has the same terrible raised corners. The Logitech is the best of the lot. Quiet, well laid-out and robust. However, it too has its own had-banging issues. You can't reassign its macro keys so if you use a different mail app, tough. Hitting the Mail button will bring up Gmail. The Browser button has an annoying bug that forces you to ALWAYS select which browser you'd like to use no matter how many times you "set the default browser". It also lacks the keyboard app Logitech provides for ALL their other similar keyboards including one made for the Tab 10.1. Go figure. Their own support reps don't even understand this.
Regardless, I'm an old quality assurance professional so I can be very opinionated and a perfectionist so this is a very short list of gripes from me. I still wouldn't own anything else given what I've tried and seen. Very happy customer so far. Having access to all my Android apps is great. I just wish Google would look at Android as a complete OS and stop limiting it to just a hand-held-type OS. Give it a FULL version of Chrome. In fact, just dump the fairly useless Chromium OS and put your efforts into this.
Great info!
Agrajag27 said:
I went with the Note Pro 12.2. I'm very glad I did. Here are same random observations:
1. It's not quite as "polished" as an iPad but it is more flexible in use. I'll take that any day.
2. The size is excellent. Very good for watching a film at the airport, etc.
3. Google seems to be the worst thing about the device. Limitation I find all find them at the end. For example, Chrome (the browser) is a cheap imitation of its cousins on nearly the PC and Chrome books. It doesn't do spell checking well, it has odd bugs like opening tabs by using the keyboard. Hit CTRL-T and you'll have to sometimes do it twice to get a new tab and then you get two. Google also doesn't give devs a way to re-assign mouse buttons should you use a bluetooth mouse for a bit of laptop-replacement work. That gets a bit strange as the right mouse button doesn't bring up options (like you get when you hold a screen link or item on the touchscreen) but instead acts like the back button on the device. Doh.
4. The keyboards are all a mixed bag. The Zagg is okay but has annoying raised corners than your hands sit on when typing and its also a bit cheap feeling and not very responsive. The Samsung keyboard isn't really a case. It's more like a snap-on cover that's entirely unconnected when used as a keyboard It just lets the tablet sit at an angle in it which makes it tough to use in bed, for example. It also has the same terrible raised corners. The Logitech is the best of the lot. Quiet, well laid-out and robust. However, it too has its own had-banging issues. You can't reassign its macro keys so if you use a different mail app, tough. Hitting the Mail button will bring up Gmail. The Browser button has an annoying bug that forces you to ALWAYS select which browser you'd like to use no matter how many times you "set the default browser". It also lacks the keyboard app Logitech provides for ALL their other similar keyboards including one made for the Tab 10.1. Go figure. Their own support reps don't even understand this.
Regardless, I'm an old quality assurance professional so I can be very opinionated and a perfectionist so this is a very short list of gripes from me. I still wouldn't own anything else given what I've tried and see. Very happy customer so far. Having access to all my Android apps is great. I just wish Google would look at Android as a complete OS and stop limiting it to just a hand-held-type OS. Give it a FULL version of Chrome. In fact, just dump the fairly useless Chromium OS and put your efforts into this.
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Awesome information! Thanks for taking the time to share your impressions. I'm having a difficult time pulling the trigger on this purchase (why??) and your opinion helps a bunch! Thanks again!
Hey guys,
i know this topic is more kind of a fortune telling theoretical study but what do you think -
Will the Yoga Book get much support from the community or will it be a soon to be abandoned piece of technology? I'm currently thinking about purchasing one but as the owner of an Asus Transformer Prime i'm a little bit spoiled by still getting great roms and updates for an already outdated device. I would really like to buy a Lenovo book because it's the only one with a full keyboard/touchpad but it's worthless if there is no support from developers.
Again, sorry for this theoretical topic - i'm just interested in your opinion
NiffStipples said:
Hey guys,
i know this topic is more kind of a fortune telling theoretical study but what do you think -
Will the Yoga Book get much support from the community or will it be a soon to be abandoned piece of technology? I'm currently thinking about purchasing one but as the owner of an Asus Transformer Prime i'm a little bit spoiled by still getting great roms and updates for an already outdated device. I would really like to buy a Lenovo book because it's the only one with a full keyboard/touchpad but it's worthless if there is no support from developers.
Again, sorry for this theoretical topic - i'm just interested in your opinion
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not really an answer to your question, but I wanted to give my rant.
I own a lenovo book and I can tell you that it's not worth the hipe (at least the android version, which I own)
The keyboard is not convinient for long term typing because there is no physical feel of the buttons and your fingers start to hurt after a while because of the hard surface of the "keyboard".
the modified android version is not as refined as it should be, I had issues with my bluetooth headset for example.
if you disable the google app from settings, then on rebboot, the os will go into a boot loop,
the main feature of this thing, which is the real pen, is useful mainly for artists. so unless you are able to draw manga or you have some picasso spirit within you... you will not use the pen for much useful things.
the touchpad (mouse) does not work great with android. not responsive as it should be.
finally, i have a defective (out of contrast) pixel on my screen... and I have seen people online complaining about screen issues...
on the positive side, the sound quality is great and the battery life too.
mo121212 said:
not really an answer to your question, but I wanted to give my rant.
the main feature of this thing, which is the real pen, is useful mainly for artists. so unless you are able to draw manga or you have some picasso spirit within you... you will not use the pen for much useful things.
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I agree with everything you said. I'm not sure, if Yoga Book real pen is that useful for artists. It's really awkward to draw not on the screen (to say the least). I now own Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.1 with S Pen (much cheaper device), and it really felt like a relief to write/draw on the screen. Also despise this Samsung tablet having significantly weaker hardware, it still manages to be much more useful than Yoga Book (to me). By the way, they actually both suck in comparison with iPad Pro, but iPad is much more expensive.
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I agree with everything you said. I'm not sure, if Yoga Book real pen is that useful for artists. It's really awkward to draw not on the screen (to say the least). I now own Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.1 with S Pen (much cheaper device), and it really felt like a relief to write/draw on the screen. Also despise this Samsung tablet having significantly weaker hardware, it still manages to be much more useful than Yoga Book (to me). By the way, they actually both suck in comparison with iPad Pro, but iPad is much more expensive.
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I am sorry to say that you do not undestand how beautiful this device is. First of all most of the digital artists have been drawing on tablets(not on the screen, screen thing is more of a new thing) for more than 40 years, and many many masterpieces were created that way. I have been using Wacom tablets for more than 20 years (drawing, 3d modeling, regular desktop use etc) and Lenovo Book is a relief to me. I also have the Samsung Note devices (2014 10.1, Note 8, Note 4), they are good but they are no where near Yoga Book when it comes to precision, control and speed.
If you never used a graphics tablet before this thing might feel weird to you, if you have been a digital artist who have been using a graphics tablets alll along , this thing is just god sent.
As perspective, I see also an interesting usage in the sales and consulting area.
With the relevant apps, you could use it with your customers and prospects for all smart forms usage. A printed form with a real pen breaks the numerical wall.
I'll attempt to use it for my consulting business, taking notes and sharing it immediately by example. Indeed, I amn't novice in this area, was working with an Equil 2 smartpen during one year.
I join the point about the key point, the support for developers. By example offering a native integration for alternatives to the too limited NoteSaver native application.
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For me, the most important thing is if the yoga book gets rooted and custom roms or in short - a developing and living community behind it. At the moment for me it doesn't seem if there is much interest from the community