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So I am wanting to purchase my first tablet. I so far am very impressed with the dev society for the KF. I haven't done alot of digging but the Roms look very impressive. Also haveing cwm and that other recovery is great. One big thing, after rooting can you do anything with the KF that you can with most other tablets? Does it do Flash? I assume that once you get google play on there that you can put on all of your bought apps and such. I am pretty excited but want to get a good tablet for the whole family. Thanks so much.
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Dude u should wait for the nexus tablet or the Asus memo those are both 200 and 250 and have more to offer than the kindle. Either way u can't go wrong I love my kindle fire
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Yes after rooting u could do whatever, so far flash is supported on stock, cm7 and 2.3 roms , and soon to be stable with cm9 and 4.0 roms. Google play is working perfectly too but some gameloft games don't work
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You can't go wrong with a kindle fire. First and foremost it's an E-reader then a tablet in my opinion (which is not meant to take anything away from the device) . The Kindle reading app blows any other reading app out of the water. Add that onto all the hard work the devs have put in and you have a huge array of different add ons and directions you can go with your Fire. Plus amazon customer support I have found to be awesome. I had a problem with my unit charging, i called them on a saturday and I had my new kindle on monday. I'm guessing we might see a reduction in cost in the next few months as amazon is likely to announce their new line of e-reader/tablet.
Since each individual case is not the same. It is important to weigh the pros and cons yourself. If you are willing to ignore the cons then it's an easy choice.
Pros: Android (read: customizability), price, customer support, Amazon catalogue, XDA community support (a huge consideration for me), etc.
Cons: KF has no mic or camera or memory card slot and has only 512mb RAM.
So if you don't care about the cons or can live without them then, at this price point, it is a no-brainer.
Personally, I whole-heartedly recommend it!
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If you want a cheap tablet that you can make not so cheap, then yes. But you'll have to do a little work, and it's not for the faint at heart.
If you want a good tablet straight out of the box, you'd be better off going with something else. Stock Kindle Fire OS is buggy and kind of annoying. And it's nearly impossible to customize.
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I agree with all the other posters above me.
The KF is VERY easily rooted, which opens up both great opportunities for modding and an unfortunate can of worms for idiots who jump in headfirst without understanding what they're doing.
At this point if you were interested I'd just buy it used. That and read up on the rooting process, what a bootloader/recovery is, AND HOW TO CONTROL THEM VIA ADB/FASTBOOT. You can see the # of "bricked" threads, which are purely from the lack of understanding the above.
I agree with all those who have already posted, I would just caution you that if your looking for a tablet that you can root and then flash and jump into a stable custom rom the Kindle Fire isn't there yet, it's almost there but not completely. Hashcode just pushed out his new 3.0 kernel and it is almost perfect but has some issues. If you're looking for a tablet that your willing to work with and possibly reflash daily then go for the Kindle Fire, it's a great tablet to learn with since it's being heavily developed right now, however if you want more stability i'd wait for the google tab or go with an older tablet.
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... and then flash and jump into a stable custom rom the Kindle Fire isn't there yet ...
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I, as everybody else, am also eagerly waiting for ICS - but saying there are no stable ROMs is incorrect. I'm running CM7 since ages with zero issues on two KFs.
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At this point if you were interested I'd just buy it used.
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forget used, get a refurb from Amazon for $170.
Kindle Fire was my first tablet and I love it!
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Kindle Fire was my first tablet and I love it!
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Yup, and it's way more fun since ditching the Amazon software for ICS ROMs.
Get it! Cheap, and will only get cheaper! Plus, the hacktivity on xda is enormous!
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Picked mine up when they had the refurbs on sale for $139. Love it to death. Very easy to root and install Roms with thanks to XDA.
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I like the Fire so much I just bought another one for a family member. About to flash ICS and hopefully never go back to stock.
Thankyou to everyone who posted. I do see the kindle fire as a good solid option and I love the dev community you guys have built here. I really think you guys have somthing special going on here. However I think I may be tempted by the Nook Tablet. After you root it and repartition the Hard Drive. You have way more space than the kf. The Nook also has an SD slot. The display is a little better as well. IT also has a gig of memory vs the KF 512. So I think ima go with it. I tell ya this though I sure would have enjoyed the society here. You guys seem to be top notch. THANKS FOR YALLS HELP
Hope y'all have a good one.
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If youplan on rooting go with the fire if not get the galaxy's tab. I on my kf right now by the way and it has built in flash that works great!
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Oh and I enjoy the dev work also thanks devs hey what ever happened to Geo httoz speaking of developers we are anoyamos we are piton what the heck is that and anoumos is slept worng great now I cant spell well cool anoumos crap I think ill just leave it there to!
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Oh and I enjoy the dev work also thanks devs hey what ever happened to Geo httoz speaking of developers we are anoyamos we are piton what the heck is that and anoumos is slept worng great now I cant spell well cool anoumos crap I think ill just leave it there to!
Nook Color better, IMO, than Kindle Fire.
I'd recommend the Nook Color over the Kindle Fire. The main difference, aside from the fact that it's a bit cheaper, is that it has an SDcard slot that not only provides up to 32GB of extra space, but allows you to boot from ROMs on the card without altering the Nook itself. This also makes it a lot harder to brick, or easier to unbrick, than the Fire. You can, of course, put ROMs on the internal memory, just as you can with the Fire. Look at the Nook Color forum on this site for more info.
The Nook Tablet is another matter. I don't know much about it, but I understand that B&N has made it a lot harder to hack than the Nook Color, You can check the forum for the Nook Tablet here on xda to see how much success devs have had so far with overcoming its protections.
nook color.is.nothing in front of kindle.fire.and nook tablet is same like kindle.fire but with sd card slot and cheap build quality i have used both and kindle is like solid metal and nook tablet is like cheap plastic
now kernel 3.0 is supporting otg and u can connect usb drives and hard drives with it
so go for kindle fire u will not regret
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Setupetails are Below
Cm7 Barebones+Raven's Kernel
Minimum:300 Higher 1200mhz
Go launcher Ex With MIUI Theme
Games:MC3,Fifa 2012,Real Racing 2,Stick Cricket,Gangster Rio....
Apps:Mx Video Player,JetVid,Titanium Backup,Opera Mobile,Dolphin HD,Adobe Reader
I love the KF (granted, it's my first tablet experience), I bought one new and another for my son off of Craigslist. Flashed them both and haven't looked back.
Hey guys, I'm new to the forums and I will be new to Android when my N7 ships hopefully soon.
I'm an Apple guy. I've had every iPhone and iPad. Currently rocking the 4S and iPad 3. Both on iOS 6.0 beta 2. I have also jailbroken every iPhone and iPad to customize it more, something XDA seems tailored to. I have never wanted to switch away from my iPhone because I enjoy it and honestly I haven't been impressed with many Android phone, until ICS. Now with Jelly bean 4.1, Android looks really solid, smooth, and mature. So I really want to give it a try. Again I don't want to switch phones and deal with all the carrier BS (bloatware, locked down, slow/no updates, etc) then Google unveiled the Nexus 7 for $200! So now for fairly cheap I can get a state-of-the-art Android device running 4.1, try a 7" tablet, and keep my iPhone.
So now my question is about unlocking/rooting the N7. With Android being as "open" as it is ie., being able to install non-app store apps, what's the benefits to rooting a Nexus device with no bloatware and the most up-to-date Android version? From my understanding the main reason people root their devices is to update their phone or to remove bloatware installed by the carriers.
Are there apps that you can only install if you are rooted? Are there more or less security issues with being rooted?
Rooting is awesome for many reasons, superuser rights (aka being able to play with files and commands that you don't have access to normally), but my main use for with a rooted phone is to freeze processes that I don't use, example i have handcent sms, so i usually freeze the sms client built into android.
Welcome to Android. I think you chose the right device to test the water. Not too expensive, while able to show off Android capabilities without the extra layer of crapps that manufacturers and mobile operators tend to add. I for one would be very interested in your first impressions and how you think IOS and Android compares over time.
In response to your question: some applications only work on rooted devices. Examples: Titanium backup, ROM Manager, some apps to get rid of ads within free apps, etc. But you don't need to root. I never rooted my tablet, and didn't find a reason to root my Nexus phone until very recently (for Titanium backup), but all my previous phones are rooted mostly to enable tethering, which is not disabled in the Nexus anyway.
After spending some time reading your post, the main reason to root in my opinion is to allow the installation of kernels and custom ROMs. Of course you can get some amazing apps through rooting, i.e. titanium backup and wifikill.
Making an experience tailored for you seems to be the main selling point of Android, and rooting allows you customization to the EXTREME.
I root my android devices to flash custom roms. Stock android is fantastic but teams like cyanogenmod and aokp take stock to the next level with tweaks that just add to the customization of the roms you are on. Some of the tweaks aren't mind blowing but still fun to play with. You can overclock your device to use all the processor's power, at the expense of your battery of course. You can use root only apps such as titanium backup or wifi tether. There are many more root only apps but those are the 2 off the top of my head. There are many advantages to rooting even if you are on a stock android device. just look around and do a little research see if you're interested Rooting isn't for everyone. Good luck and welcome to the forums.
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I for one would be very interested in your first impressions and how you think IOS and Android compares over time.
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I'm sure I'll write a review of the Nexus 7 after a few weeks, then maybe I'll do a Android from an iOS user post as well. Thanks for all the other advice guys, I'm sure I'll root it at some point just to try it, I'm a bit of a tinkerer.
I believe root is also necessary if you want to use otg usb storage with the stickmount app. This allows you to attach a usb/microsd card, greatly increasing storage space
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I've had my N7 for a few days now and I'm really enjoying it so far. I really like the 7" size and the weight as compared to the iPad. Battery seems really good to. I have it rooted and working on getting a launcher setup that I like.
The app selection is TERRIBLE when compared to iOS, that for sure. I can't find a good twitter client or Google reader app.
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I haven't had the opportunity to compare available apps in both stores, but I keep hearing that comment. I haven't had trouble finding an app when I needed one, of course that might be because I'm not aware of everything that could be available. As an examples, I don't know what you mean by google reader. An ebook reader? News reader? Search engine? Something else? I can't help with twitter apps, I never understood what people need that for, I never tried it... Too old I guess... But since twitter is well known, there must be one among the half million apps in the play store? Perhaps its not yet compatible with Jelly Bean?
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Welcome to the Android world.
Like you I have been using IOS (as well as Android.. so not totally new to Android at all..).. every iPhone up to the 4S
I think the arrival of the Nexus has brought over a few from IOS, JB has helped with that... the one thing I heard from many who complained Android wasn't for them was they found it "clunky" and not as refined as an IOS device, I think the N7 has changed and will change that perception.
As mentioned already you will find Android Apps not as good overall compared to IOS (my opinion anyway.. especially games if you are a gamer) but I think you will love that fact you have have more control of your OS (instead of waiting for the Dev team to release the lastest jailbreak using Redsnow etc..) and you can say goodbye to horrible bloatware iTunes lol
Have you tried to tether from iPhone to the Nexus yet?? Reason I ask is I had a Samsung tablet and my 4s wouldn't connect to it, something to do with being an adhoc connection (although I think there is ways around this..) I know my Galaxy Ace connects no probs and has a great speed while tethering to the Nexus.
Enjoy your Nexus
I had problems tethering my N7 to my iPad 3, until I restarted the iPad. Since then its been working great.
For the other commenter, Google Reader is popular RSS feed aggregator. Basically its a way to see when website publish a new story, and you never miss an article. WWW.reader.Google.com
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jayman16 said:
I had problems tethering my N7 to my iPad 3, until I restarted the iPad. Since then its been working great.
For the other commenter, Google Reader is popular RSS feed aggregator. Basically its a way to see when website publish a new story, and you never miss an article. WWW.reader.Google.com
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I understand now. You're looking for a news reader. I'm no expert on this, and only tried two of the following, but check out the links to reviews of what some consider the best news readers on android currently. Maybe one of these will work? Sometimes it takes time to find the best app, so keep looking if none of these are right.
http://www.bestandroidtablet.us/taptu-a-cool-news-reader-for-android-tablet/
http://geekshavelanded.com/android-news-reader-showdown/
Hey guys,
Just posting to raise awareness of Cornerstone and finding out if it's possible at some point to work on it for this device?. I used it on ICS on my Acer A500 and it ran great! The Nexus 7 would run brilliantly imo.
For those who don't know what it is, it is a great TRUE multitasking app for Android OS...you can see a demo of it Here
It seems Cornerstone was the next big thing up until February when Cyanogenmod announced they would be integrating it into cm9 (which appears to have never happened?) now it seems to have died off...
I know the Nexus 7 & Jellybean are both new and most devs will be focused on porting all their previous work over and working out any compatibility\tweaking for at least the next few weeks, but if somebody is interested in building a ROM with cornerstone baked into it that would be pretty amazing!
For more info, hit up http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone/index.php where you can find the open source code, github and further details about Cornerstone.
Hoping it interests somebody enough to give it a solid shot!
Cheers
Hm, I hadn't heard of this before. Sounds neat!
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Hm, I hadn't heard of this before. Sounds neat!
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I used the Team EOS Cornerstone ICS nightly builds on the Xoom. Loved it but found it conflicted too much with my 3rd party launcher and crashed some apps, but it was great on a 10" screen. Can't quite see the utility on a 7" screen...I just used floating apps like Overscreen and Stick it for multi tasking.
However, it would be fun to see all the development that can happen on this device...if you build it, I will probably try it.
Havent seen this before. I am a software developer, once my Nexus comes in, i will check whats not working with it. Is the source code anywhere?
okantomi said:
I used the Team EOS Cornerstone ICS nightly builds on the Xoom. Loved it but found it conflicted too much with my 3rd party launcher and crashed some apps, but it was great on a 10" screen. Can't quite see the utility on a 7" screen...I just used floating apps like Overscreen and Stick it for multi tasking.
However, it would be fun to see all the development that can happen on this device...if you build it, I will probably try it.
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Have not heard of Overscreen or Stick it, will have a look at them thanks! Have not got my N7 yet so can't comment on size, was just a thought since I thought Cornerstone had so much promise.
Tcsnyder said:
Havent seen this before. I am a software developer, once my Nexus comes in, i will check whats not working with it. Is the source code anywhere?
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I found the source on their site https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone
Last commit was in February which happens to coincide with the last news articles about it....possibly abandoned?
Can't hurt to look into it at least, thanks for showing interest!
forum dot xda-developers dot com/showpost.php?p=30413020&postcount=318
Looks like it might be here "soonish" :victory: I hope he can figure it out
Sorry I can't post links...
I would love to see a ROM with this!
Looks like they haven't officially ported it to JB yet...
I am trying to start developing for android, and if I do ever release a ROM, one of my goals is to have cornerstone in it.
Hi:
I'd really like to see this work on the Nexus 7.
Tom
Hope this will work as soon as possible.. Or are there other methods for controlling a media player with using navigation of google maps? i dont want to switch apps, OSD of media keys or cornerstone would be perfect
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Hope this will work as soon as possible.. Or are there other methods for controlling a media player with using navigation of google maps? i dont want to switch apps, OSD of media keys or cornerstone would be perfect
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When using Google music it gives you music control in the drop down notification menu
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Please someone tell me that this is not dead yet.....
apparently the reason CM dropped cornerstone is because google doesn't like multiwindow and threatened them
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/samsung-adds-multi-window-despite-threat-from-google-2012109/
"In a conversation with Steve Kondik on Google+, Hackborn commented that if the team started making CM behave in a fundamentally different way than stock Android, they were going to need to start doing things to prevent CM from impacting the Android app ecosystem."
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apparently the reason CM dropped cornerstone is because google doesn't like multiwindow and threatened them
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/samsung-adds-multi-window-despite-threat-from-google-2012109/
"In a conversation with Steve Kondik on Google+, Hackborn commented that if the team started making CM behave in a fundamentally different way than stock Android, they were going to need to start doing things to prevent CM from impacting the Android app ecosystem."
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I actually saw all that drama... does not explain why they were good with samsung doing the same thing that cornerstone does. CM should reconsider.
Has anyone looked at the feasibility of porting this to JB or is it currently dead in the water?
berickson1 said:
Has anyone looked at the feasibility of porting this to JB or is it currently dead in the water?
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What he said
This is serious!
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What he said
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I am willing to offer up my nexus 7 with around the clock availability to testing.
Lets get this project rolling!
I'm guessing CM is the place to start.
Hi there,
just to keep this alive, is there any serious progress with Cornerstone for the Nexus 7 (especially the 3G version) yet? Would love to have Multi Window on my device!
Onskreen announced today Cornerstone 1.0 supporting Jelly Bean
Sources are available here:
https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone
So, now the question is "any developer who's willing to add Cornerstone to a custom Nexus 7 rom ?"
BREAKING NEWS
Get the preview as an OTA update now.
See this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/general/android-5-onboard-t3181226
Go get some.
https://developer.amazon.com/public...10/Announcing-the-Fire-OS-5-Developer-Preview
Any info if it can be rooted after the update?
Only for 2014 Fire HD tablets, unless you happen to have a 5.0 Fire TV image that isn't available on the Amazon developer preview page.
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Go get some.
https://developer.amazon.com/public...10/Announcing-the-Fire-OS-5-Developer-Preview
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This is an extremely long way off for the Fire TV. Look at it like this, the Fire Tabets have been running KitKat for 8 months while the Fire TV is running Jellybean, so if it has been this long and the Fire TV still has not been upgraded to KitKat, how long do you think it will take to upgrade the Fire TV to Lollipop after the Fire Tablets gets upgraded to it? I'll answer for you, around a year after the Fire Tablet gets Fire OS 5 the Fire TV will get it. Now there is probably gonna be people that hate that I say that, but they are still runnning Jellybean while the Fire Tabet is running Kitkat so that should tell em that Fire OS 5 is a long tme away for the Fire TV.
To be honest, right now I would settle for Android 4.4 on my Fire TV, cause I would love to use all my apps again. Several apps that I use now require Android 4.4 so it woud be nice for Amazon to upgrade the Fire TV to Android 4.4. Whats the holdup Amazon, we need Android 4..4. Don't treat the Fire TV like a hobby.
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This is an extremely long way off for the Fire TV. Look at it like this, the Fire Tabets have been running KitKat for 8 months while the Fire TV is running Jellybean, so if it has been this long and the Fire TV still has not been upgraded to KitKat, how long do you think it will take to upgrade the Fire TV to Lollipop after the Fire Tablets gets upgraded to it? I'll answer for you, around a year after the Fire Tablet gets Fire OS 5 the Fire TV will get it. Now there is probably gonna be people that hate that I say that, but they are still runnning Jellybean while the Fire Tabet is running Kitkat so that should tell em that Fire OS 5 is a long tme away for the Fire TV.
To be honest, right now I would settle for Android 4.4 on my Fire TV, cause I would love to use all my apps again. Several apps that I use now require Android 4.4 so it woud be nice for Amazon to upgrade the Fire TV to Android 4.4. Whats the holdup Amazon, we need Android 4..4. Don't treat the Fire TV like a hobby.
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You don't know that,
Very possible that the FireTV will get FireOS 5 this year....as Android5 makes a lot of sense for a media center device.
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You don't know that,
Very possible that the FireTV will get FireOS 5 this year....as Android5 makes a lot of sense for a media center device.
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I agree its a good possibility and choices companies made in the past is not always a clear indication they'll stay consistent. When the kindle fire hd came out for most consumers (not necessarily xda members) you had fewer choices for tablets--pay a lot for a high end iPad or galaxy OR get a nice midranges device like kfhd for considerably cheaper (or buy a really crappy generic running android). Not real competition.
For settop boxes it was even worse. But of course all of that's changed and now the bar has been raised forcing apple, and maybe soon roku, to come up with something better. I also wouldn't think it logical that we'll get kk before lollipop. I have a macbook from 2010 that didn't get the mountain lion update but since then has gotten mavericks and then Yosemite. I realize it might not be exactly the same but just a thought that its not unprecedented for a company to do that.
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You don't know that,
Very possible that the FireTV will get FireOS 5 this year....as Android5 makes a lot of sense for a media center device.
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Yes it could get it this year, but using the past as an indicator its not likely. Android in general makes a lot of sense to use as a media center, but the Fire TV is not a media center in Amazons eyes. Not one time has Amazon described it as a media center or even used the words media center anywhere when describimg the Fire TV. We can use it as a media center, but the Fire TV has many uses. Just because you see Android 5.0 as a better version to use as a media center does not mean Amazon is going to rush it to us. Android 4.4 would aslo be better for the Fire TV, but Amazon has not even gave us that yet. Don't get mad just because you can't face facts. It is extremy clear that Amazon sets a pecking order for their devices and the Fire TV is at the bottom of the pecking order in terms of upgrades. Fire Tablet, running KitKat for 8 months, Fire Phone, running KitKat for 2 months, Fire TV, still stuck with Jellybean. That should tell you something. Look at how many updates we have gotten for the Fire TV and not one time has Amazon mentioned upgrading to KitKat, but they did release statemnts saying when KitKat was coming to the Fire Tablet and Fire Phone, which was vague, but they still released statements saying KitKat was coming to those devices. Amazon has been beyond great at giving us firmware updates for the Fire TV, but not so great when it comes to Android verson upgrades.
Based on the fire TV still running Android 4.2.2 it is not likely that it will be running Android 5.0 by the end of this year. Do you not realize that the Fire Tablet has been running KitKat for 8 months and Amazon still has not even upgraded the Fire TV to KitKat? Not only that, but Amazon released a statement saying in September of last year saying the Fire Phone would be getting KitKat early 2015 and it did not come for another 7 months. Like a wise man once said, if you wanna know whats going to happen in the future look at the past. Companies are creatures of habit just like peeople are, and you should always look at hhow they done things in th past to predict the future. I would love to be wrong about this, but based on the Fire TV not even being upgraded to Android 4.4 yet I do not see them giving us Android 5.0 anytime soon.
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I agree its a good possibility and choices companies made in the past is not always a clear indication they'll stay consistent. When the kindle fire hd came out for most consumers (not necessarily xda members) you had fewer choices for tablets--pay a lot for a high end iPad or galaxy OR get a nice midranges device like kfhd for considerably cheaper (or buy a really crappy generic running android). Not real competition.
For settop boxes it was even worse. But of course all of that's changed and now the bar has been raised forcing apple, and maybe soon roku, to come up with something better. I also wouldn't think it logical that we'll get kk before lollipop. I have a macbook from 2010 that didn't get the mountain lion update but since then has gotten mavericks and then Yosemite. I realize it might not be exactly the same but just a thought that its not unprecedented for a company to do that.
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What a nice response. Thanks KLit75!!
porkenhimer said:
Look at it like this, the Fire Tabets have been running KitKat for 8 months while the Fire TV is running Jellybean, so if it has been this long and the Fire TV still has not been upgraded to KitKat, how long do you think it will take to upgrade the Fire TV to Lollipop after the Fire Tablets gets upgraded to it? I'll answer for you, around a year after the Fire Tablet gets Fire OS 5 the Fire TV will get it.
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Good points. The Fire TV is overdue an update., and they were smart to go straight to L rather than waste time on K. I also agree now that M is starting to doing the rounds, and given that L seems to be more like Lemon than Lollipop, it would be even smarter to skip it as well.
Amazon knows what it's doing.
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That quote is open to all sorts of interpretation. For over a year i thought they were fully aware of what kodi was and how a decent population of the users were buying aftv because of the fact that it could run kodi. But given recent events, I think I was dead wrong about that.
Companies like this, it appears, will combat piracy (blindly at times) but not necessarily armed with the best intel. With that in mind, whats the argument for not upgrading the os?
I think you need to find who is their main competition...and i see at least 2 of those competitors running lollipop.
That being said, amazon might not look at that as a selling point since fire os is quite a bit different than what google, nvidia, and razor uses. However, i think that argument is weak because they are in fact actively looking to upgrade. ***One more point-apple tv i think is running its own version of ios8 so theres an example of a competitor updating the os and really not changing much in the grand scheme.
In terms of history, i could state many cases occurring daily that show repetitive patterns. But corporations are a little different. Its true amazon and other large companies dont usually lose money in the long run. But how they keep profits soaring sometimes defies common sense to the average person because we arent privy to everything that happens there. I always tell people (outside of xda) that if you truly seek honesty in the media, you should read the business press. Sometimes it feels like they have their own secret club and its funny. The vast majority of americans dont look there even when they have a personal interest in the subject. My point is you might do well to study history as a means to predict whats coming. But a lot of history is well hidden. Its a very open society in terms of information available but finding that info really is a discipline that needs to be practiced.
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For over a year i thought they were fully aware of what kodi was and how a decent population of the users were buying aftv because of the fact that it could run kodi. But given recent events, I think I was dead wrong about that.
Companies like this, it appears, will combat piracy (blindly at times) but not necessarily armed with the best intel. With that in mind, whats the argument for not upgrading the os?
I think you need to find who is their main competition...and i see at least 2 of those competitors running lollipop.
That being said, amazon might not look at that as a selling point since fire os is quite a bit different than what google, nvidia, and razor uses. However, i think that argument is weak because they are in fact actively looking to upgrade. ***One more point-apple tv i think is running its own version of ios8 so theres an example of a competitor updating the os and really not changing much in the grand scheme.
In terms of history, i could state many cases occurring daily that show repetitive patterns. But corporations are a little different. Its true amazon and other large companies dont usually lose money in the long run. But how they keep profits soaring sometimes defies common sense to the average person because we arent privy to everything that happens there. I always tell people (outside of xda) that if you truly seek honesty in the media, you should read the business press. Sometimes it feels like they have their own secret club and its funny. The vast majority of americans dont look there even when they have a personal interest in the subject. My point is you might do well to study history as a means to predict whats coming. But a lot of history is well hidden. Its a very open society in terms of information available but finding that info really is a discipline that needs to be practiced.
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Can we keep this thread about Fire OS 5, please.
How did Kodi and piracy get brought into this?
Going to Android 5 makes a lot of sense for the Fire TV. For that matter, going to an Amazon'd version of Android TV makes a lot of sense. Let FTV take advantage of all the AndroidTV updates, lean-back compatible apps, live tv features...
Don't forget hopefully adding the latest Qualcomm drivers for fixing a large number of issues seen in the current ancient [email protected] ones on FireTV.
Applying the latest drivers ([email protected] or [email protected]/95) would cause a massive performance boost,killing all of the lag an many instances.
I am curious how Goat Simulator would run on the latest drivers.
It runs surprisingly well already considering how old the drivers are.
Claude Koch said:
Can we keep this thread about Fire OS 5, please.
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Making an argument/speculating as to how a company decides whether to upgrade the os is what i was attempting. If we dont do that (or something along those lines) Im not really sure where this thread goes, other than "well i hope we get lollipop." And "yeah me too."
The kodi/piracy thing was just a little insight on the thought pattern, or lack there of, of a large business. As many of you know, these meetings are done privately and so are the decisions. To me it fits, but i really have no desire to turn this into yet another war of a ridiculous amount of words so i respect your request. And will stop.
Sorry for the admittedly long post. I dont think it was as off topic as some people believe but it could've been more concise. Also, maybe not appropriate post for a tech website.
Thanks Obama.
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Thanks Obama.
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Yes. Because if youre "informed" you know hes such an enemy of large companies, such as amazon, that his political rivals agree (probably for the 1st time) he should be given fast track authority for reasons i vaguely referenced in my prior posts.
I wont preach or resort to name calling (which if you really knew me youd know id consider your last comment to be just that.)
Lets just keep it light. I hope aftv gets lollipop and when they do it wont matter to me
who's president. Not that it really mattered to me before.
One of the reasons i liked xda was because it was almost completely non-political. But for the past year ive listened to users complain about amazon's "controlled ecosystem". I guess i didnt think it was inappropriate to examine the root causes just a tiny bit. I was wrong. And to be honest Im happy to be wrong.
Wow.... I'll be honest I was just throwing a random "thanks obama" out there....
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Wow.... I'll be honest I was just throwing a random "thanks obama" out there....
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Yeah. Sorry man. It was a knee jerk reaction and once again off topic. And i actually thought about it afterwards that you didnt even quote me so...yeah. What can i say but i need to lighten up and lay off the caffeine. My apologies to @captainjapan.
Since we are already waaay of topic, let me bring it semi-sorta-kinda back on topic. Any good comparisons to the other AndroidTV L based players? Things that Nexus/Razer/nVidia boxes do that FireTV has issues with but would be helped by going to Android 5? App compatibility for sure, but what else? Any clue if going to L really means going to AndroidTV under the covers?
My fire TV is rooted on an ancient firmware but bootloader locked and I'm very pleased with performance and stuff with what I do with it. I use apps for USB support, I use kodi which works wonderfully well and I use live TV apps that are excellent.
What are advantages of android TV over the current amazonified jellybean? To you people?
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Hello Guys,
I am new here and I just got an old Kindle Fire HD 10 Gift from a friend who said he doesn’t need it anymore.
So I had set it up, put my account to it and found….. It is sooo bloated with all that amazon stuff… It’s ridiculous…. I would say that I do not need like 80% of that stuff and totally miss like google mail, proper YouTube app and a lot more I have not found until now.
So I was looking now for like 3 days, whenever I had the time to search for it, if there is a custom Rom for the Kindle, or maybe root to get Google on the Kindle or how it is to be done to get apps maybe from my phone to the kindle.
Amazon made it really hard for users who are not sucked into the amazon universe to actually enjoy the Kindle, don’t they?
I have a bunch of paid apps in Google, they seem to be all useless now… what really kind of bugs me, because I had hoped to use the kindle as a comic book reader, where I use Comicat on android… no idea if kindle can even open them, but I’ll have to try.
So I would like to ask, are there some ways to root an Kindle Fire HD 10 with Fire OS 5.6.1.0 ? If so, how to do that and are there Custom Roms that would give a more basic Android feel?
I only found mostly some tutorials for 7” and 8”, but rarely for the 10” Tablet and nearly always for other Fire OSes.
So every help would be REALLY appreciated!
Follow this tutorial to get root https://forum.xda-developers.com/hd8-hd10/general/tut-fire-hd-10-7th-gen-2017-root-box-t3726443
To make it more stock like after you have rooted you can remove apps using root
You can also install google play store + apps from it by following this https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/how-to-install-google-play-store-fire-t3486603
You can also replace the default launcher with another like Nova but at the moment it uses a hack to get around a limitation even on root (Launcher Hijack)
You can also install xposed and there is modules on that which should give back some of your missing features https://forum.xda-developers.com/hd8-hd10/general/hd-10-2017-xposed-t3722252
At the moment there is no custom rom but some are in development.
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Follow this tutorial
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Awesome, thank you very much, I will check everything and hope to have the Kindle a bit more.... Userfriedly, well, MEfriendly.
It would be indeed really cool if there is at least a bit I can do. Otherwise the Kindle would become more like an Videoplayer for my Kids than anything else... this would be a bit o a waste, as the device itself seems pretty nice.
Edit: The first and third Tutorial are for the 7th Gen HD8/10 Tablets, I have the 5th Gen. Wont there be a problem??
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Awesome, thank you very much, I will check everything and hope to have the Kindle a bit more.... Userfriedly, well, MEfriendly.
It would be indeed really cool if there is at least a bit I can do. Otherwise the Kindle would become more like an Videoplayer for my Kids than anything else... this would be a bit o a waste, as the device itself seems pretty nice.
Edit: The first and third Tutorial are for the 7th Gen HD8/10 Tablets, I have the 5th Gen. Wont there be a problem??
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Sorry for a late reply.
I'm not sure whether it works or not on older tablets, but there won't be a problem. Try it, I'm 99% sure that your tablet will be perfectly okay even it failed, because I tried that and failed, but I'm sending this from my tablet.
Good Luck! :good: