Do I need a tablet? - Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I purchased a Samsung Galaxy Note approximately 1.5 months ago with the promise of a phone/tablet hybrid that would save me the cost of two devices. Whilst it is a fantastic device, I am a little disappointed that I can't run tablet apps and, although I could install Paranoid Android to accomplish this, I risk messing it up, wrecking my phone in the progress and all also lose the very handy S-Pen functionality. So, I was pretty interested in the new tab from Google, especially at such a low price. But, it really comes down to whether or not I really need a tablet? What benefits will this Nexus 7 offer over my Galaxy Note and are the tablet versions of apps a drastic improvement of their phone counterparts?

The obvious answer is..depends on your own usage. I have a HTC flyer that collects dust after getting my note. However, the flyer is slower than my note and had lower resolution.
I got the nexus 7, but it might be for my wife to browse the web. Trying very hard to keep her away from buying an iPad.
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I'm running ICS in tablet mode (170dpi, plenty of tablet apps loaded too) on my Note and I still chose to throw down 199$ for the 8gb N7. It's all about what you want to do with it.
Mine will be for reading, gaming, casual web use and the occasional video. My Note handles all these tasks wonderfully but for the extra screen size and specs it was worth it for me. I almost bought a Nook Tablet for $199 a month ago so this was really a no-brainer.
As for the tablet version of apps being superior, I think it's all about preference. I don't know that any I use are more functional than their phone counterparts, they just give you more on the screen and a UI that capitalizes on the extra screen space.
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I am going to hold off on buying this as my Note is pretty viable for most of the things I would use a tavlet for. An extra 1.7 inches is not an awful lot more for the money. I may get one eventually though just to spare my phone battery the heav use of a tablet.
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Do you still need a tablet?

With the Galaxy Note, do you still find yourself neediny a tablet? What devices are you presently using on a daily basis?
I currently use my 5.3 inch Galaxy Note as a phone/tablet but find myself using my 15 inch laptop more merely to save battery life.
I am looking into an Asus Transformer to replace my laptop. The one here looks good...
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/asus-...let-pc-with-docking-station-13657744-pdt.html
Alternatively, I could simply buy a Mugen extended battery. It would add some heft but then I would have the battery life of a tablet device - something I find the Note lacks.
So, what doo you think I should do? Buy a larger battery for my Galaxy Note or save up the extra and get that Asus above? Also, I again ask you what devices you find yourself using on a daily basis now you own your Galaxy Note?
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The Asus is the best tablet for me, as the keyboard dock would allow me to do my homework on it, and I would want a 10 inch tab if any. 7 inches is not enoughof a step up, in mu opinion, from any high-end smartphone nowadays that has a 4.5+ inch screen. The size difference between the Nexus 7 and Note is especially minimal.
Buying an extended Mugen will costs me almost a hundred dollars - more eveb perhaps thanks to VAT here in the UK . But it will offer me one perfect device and I would then only need a laptop for homework. Also, I couldn't afford two data plans and my unlimited 3 mobile plan does not alow tethering, unless there is a way around thia that anyone knows of?
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Of course, the Asus Transformer Pad 300 has some pretty good specifications compared to other tabs and - unlike the Note - it can run tablet apps. The keyboard dock also looks useful. So, what do you all recommend?
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Brad387 said:
With the Galaxy Note, do you still find yourself neediny a tablet? What devices are you presently using on a daily basis?
I currently use my 5.3 inch Galaxy Note as a phone/tablet but find myself using my 15 inch laptop more merely to save battery life.
I am looking into an Asus Transformer to replace my laptop. The one here looks good...
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/asus-...let-pc-with-docking-station-13657744-pdt.html
Alternatively, I could simply buy a Mugen extended battery. It would add some heft but then I would have the battery life of a tablet device - something I find the Note lacks.
So, what doo you think I should do? Buy a larger battery for my Galaxy Note or save up the extra and get that Asus above? Also, I again ask you what devices you find yourself using on a daily basis now you own your Galaxy Note?
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I still use my original Transformer quite a lot. I've got the keyboard dock but use it less than I thought I would although I usually pair it up when not in use as it charges the tablet up brilliantly. I am looking to sell it (if anyone is interested) as I want a Note 10.1.
I'm too lazy to even go get my tablet from across the room and turn it on. My phone is always with me an arm reach away. It's so much easier and quicker, and my hand/wrist doesn't get tired from holding that heavy tablet. If I want to watch movies, I have a TV hooked up to my PC for that, with real speakers. I only have a One X right now, but that 4.7" is enough to make me semi-forget about my tablet. What will the 5.3" note that I ordered do?
Lol you know the funny thing is, I don't consider myself to have big hands. I guess my fingers or long, but I don't see it that way. Holding the One X, I have to sort of claw it since it's thin and angular on the side, sloping towards the screen. The Galaxy S III is probably wide enough, but lacks the thickness for comfortable grip too. The note I tried out at the store just engulfs my hand and I can grip it perfectly. It fits so well. I dunno about my pockets... I had a 7" nook color and could manage holding it at the latter half of my fingers without too much trouble. Too bad it doesn't fit in a pocket!
Used my missus iPad a few times to get her out of a pickle when the apps, need killing or updating, other than that I leave it to her, she loves it, it is big compared to my note, but then it is handy for showing friends family photos.
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Thanks for all of your responses. As I said, it is a toss up between purchasing either an extended Mugen battery or an Asus Transformer Pad 300 and I'd like to hear what you all think I should purchase. Buying a Transformer would give me more screen real-estate, safe my phone's battery some heavy usage, a truly portable computer-like device and the keyboard would mean I wouldn't need to turn my laptop on to do my homework. However, buying a Mugen battery offers me a sole device capable of almost all my daily technological usage and I'd only have to switch to a laptop for some homework or if I wanted to do some light PC gaming (my laptop can't handle many games naturally).
katamari201 said:
I'm too lazy to even go get my tablet from across the room and turn it on. My phone is always with me an arm reach away. It's so much easier and quicker, and my hand/wrist doesn't get tired from holding that heavy tablet. If I want to watch movies, I have a TV hooked up to my PC for that, with real speakers. I only have a One X right now, but that 4.7" is enough to make me semi-forget about my tablet. What will the 5.3" note that I ordered do?
Lol you know the funny thing is, I don't consider myself to have big hands. I guess my fingers or long, but I don't see it that way. Holding the One X, I have to sort of claw it since it's thin and angular on the side, sloping towards the screen. The Galaxy S III is probably wide enough, but lacks the thickness for comfortable grip too. The note I tried out at the store just engulfs my hand and I can grip it perfectly. It fits so well. I dunno about my pockets... I had a 7" nook color and could manage holding it at the latter half of my fingers without too much trouble. Too bad it doesn't fit in a pocket!
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Well, 10 inches is almost double the size of the Note, so it is a much larger size. I initially wanted a new laptop, as my current one is failing to run the games I recently purchased on the Steam summer sales. But, seeing as we have a main family computer capable of running these, I've begun to think about purchasing a 10 inch tab. The Transformer Pad 300 seems to offer me the functionality of a keyboard for homework at home, but I can take it off and simply carry the tab when I want to do some viewing in bed for example.
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The Asus is the best tablet for me, as the keyboard dock would allow me to do my homework on it, and I would want a 10 inch tab if any. 7 inches is not enoughof a step up, in mu opinion, from any high-end smartphone nowadays that has a 4.5+ inch screen. The size difference between the Nexus 7 and Note is especially minimal.
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I disagree slightly here.
I have a Transformer Prime, a Nexus 7, and a Note.
The Prime is largely unused unless I am going somewhere where there is WiFi and I think that I may need to look at some work related issues - I don't care what anyone says, the Prime can serve quite well as an impromptu Netbook for the most part. It is seldom undocked these days though, and this is especially true now I have the Nexus 7 too.
Prior to getting the Nexus 7, I would mostly use my Note at home, but now I find myself reaching for my Nexus 7 more and more often - whilst 1.7" may not seem like much it makes a world of difference when reading books or comics. I had an original Samsung Galaxy Tab, and I've always been a fan of the 7" form factor.
My Note is still my primary media consumption device though, and if I could only keep one I would keep the Note, not just because it's also a phone (which I would require anyway) but because it can do everything the other devices can and more, even if sometimes it is slightly less convenient. Yesterday, whilst at the gym, I had an urgent call from work regarding something that required my attention, and I used Splashtop on the Note to connect to my PC at home in order to make some coding changes - it would've been a lot easier on the Prime, but given I was on an exercise bike at the time, that wasn't an option!
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Dave
I see two options really...
Purchase an extended Mugen battery for my Galaxy Note, which will allow me to use the device fairly comfortably as a tablet with around 9 hours of screen time. The problem with this is that the battery turns the Note into a literal brick and, unless I purchased a wireless headset, I doubt I'd be able to comfortably make calls in public (not that I make calls at all on my phone really as I mainly just text). However, having one sole device that is still portable and offers me almost everything I need to do technologically - except homework- has some real appeal.
Purchase an Asus Transformer Pad 300, which will allow me to spare my Galaxy Note some heavy usage throughout the day and, consequently, have a longer lasting battery life. The keyboard will allow me to almost replace my laptop, as the device comes with Polaris Office installed for free. The larger screen would make my hours of YouTube browsing much more comfortable also. However, this option is much more expensive.
foxmeister said:
I disagree slightly here.
I have a Transformer Prime, a Nexus 7, and a Note.
The Prime is largely unused unless I am going somewhere where there is WiFi and I think that I may need to look at some work related issues - I don't care what anyone says, the Prime can serve quite well as an impromptu Netbook for the most part. It is seldom undocked these days though, and this is especially true now I have the Nexus 7 too.
Prior to getting the Nexus 7, I would mostly use my Note at home, but now I find myself reaching for my Nexus 7 more and more often - whilst 1.7" may not seem like much it makes a world of difference when reading books or comics. I had an original Samsung Galaxy Tab, and I've always been a fan of the 7" form factor.
My Note is still my primary media consumption device though, and if I could only keep one I would keep the Note, not just because it's also a phone (which I would require anyway) but because it can do everything the other devices can and more, even if sometimes it is slightly less convenient. Yesterday, whilst at the gym, I had an urgent call from work regarding something that required my attention, and I used Splashtop on the Note to connect to my PC at home in order to make some coding changes - it would've been a lot easier on the Prime, but given I was on an exercise bike at the time, that wasn't an option!
Regards,
Dave
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Thanks, but to me 7 inches is not enough of an increase - having personally seen my relative who lives with me's Nexus 7. The Nexus 7 also lacks a Micro-SD/SD card slot, which is something I'd have to have in a tablet or any mobile device personally.
Note is like best of both worlds
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Note is like best of both worlds
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Yes, but 5" is still kind of small to use every day!
I used to use my Galaxy note as tablet using Paranoid rom. Due to dpi (213), my eyes was easy to get tired and decided to move back to samsung rom with original setting and now everything seems fine even though I sometimes miss tablet interface.
Now I am using new ipad as tablet and I am very happy now. Bigger screen and feel like I am reading text on paper. I do also have a logitech unltrathin keyboard and I can use it as bluetooth keyboard and front cover as well. It is much sharper than galaxy note screen. I am planning to have a data share plan so I can use my new ipad as LTE tablet !
It is all about preference but I do prefer to have a tablet separately due to size of screen and comport for my eyes.
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Answer for your question
No. Actually I sold my computer and I mange everything with the Note!
Well, I will still have access to a home computer for the family which runs Windows Vista. It is either a tablet or larger battery for the Note.
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Has anyone here tried any of the Asus Transformer range?
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Well their is a need of a tab cause even with 5.3 inch screen its SMALL LOL
send from behind you!
i love havind a tablet for my work but the lack of good android hardware an tablets apps is a deal breaker for me.
i was really looking forward to buy an Note 10.1 but with just resolution of 1280x800px - no way!
my dream tablet need a high resolution display like the iPad or at least 1080p
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/23/3...-note-10-1-unboxed-2gb-of-ram-phone-messaging
garytube said:
i love havind a tablet for my work but the lack of good android hardware an tablets apps is a deal breaker for me.
i was really looking forward to buy an Note 10.1 but with just resolution of 1280x800px - no way!
my dream tablet need a high resolution display like the iPad or at least 1080p
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/23/3...-note-10-1-unboxed-2gb-of-ram-phone-messaging
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There is good Android tablet hardware, but tablet software...not so much. However, with the popularity of the Nexus 7, I suspect that will soon change as developers will produce tablet apps.

Is the tab 10.1 still a good choice today?

Hello,
How are you?
So, I'm thinking about buying a tablet.
My main goal is to have a biggest, more comfortable device for web browsing to complement my galaxy nexus.
I was thinking about a nexus 7, but being too close on size to my nexus, made me consider a 10 inch model.
I liked the fact that the nexus 7 is updated by Google and runs stock android, but there seems to be a good community of support for Samsung tabs, and with ROMs like cm9 and cm10, that might not be the deal breaker.
I also looked at the Acer a700, because of its screen. The high res is really appealing, but the price is around 400.
I can get a sweet deal on a tab 10.1, for 200 Euros. So, is it a good bet today?
Thanks.
Cheers
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I'm happy with it especially after ics update
But why don't consider Asus prime?, note 10.1?
Or wait for the next generation from Samsung I think it will be soon
10.1 inch is good for broswe internet go ahead and get ur tab
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I'm happy with it especially after ics update
But why don't consider Asus prime?, note 10.1?
Or wait for the next generation from Samsung I think it will be soon
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The reason I'm interested in the tab 10.1 is mainly the price.
At this time I don't know if I would use a tablet all that much.
At first I'm guessing I would just use it in the couch to do some web browsing.
When I go out, I usually just take my nexus in my pocket and it pretty much covers my on the go needs.
If I have a tablet, I might take out out sometimes, but my fear is not using it enough. That's why I am not thinking about a tf700 or iPad 3. I just think I would not use them enough and would probably feel sorry for spending 600 on a device to sit on the shelf...
Anyway, does the tab 10.1 still holds it's own against those tegra 3 tablets?
How is web browsing with the screen's low PPI?
Cheers
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gdourado said:
The reason I'm interested in the tab 10.1 is mainly the price.
At this time I don't know if I would use a tablet all that much.
At first I'm guessing I would just use it in the couch to do some web browsing.
When I go out, I usually just take my nexus in my pocket and it pretty much covers my on the go needs.
If I have a tablet, I might take out out sometimes, but my fear is not using it enough. That's why I am not thinking about a tf700 or iPad 3. I just think I would not use them enough and would probably feel sorry for spending 600 on a device to sit on the shelf...
Anyway, does the tab 10.1 still holds it's own against those tegra 3 tablets?
How is web browsing with the screen's low PPI?
Cheers
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I got my wife a Tab 10.1 on clearance ($250) a couple of months ago. I bought my Nexus 7 at the same time. The only time there's a difference between us performance-wise is 3d gaming. All other times there's no real difference.
EDIT: She's very happy with the device for web browsing.
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I got my wife a Tab 10.1 on clearance ($250) a couple of months ago. I bought my Nexus 7 at the same time. The only time there's a difference between us performance-wise is 3d gaming. All other times there's no real difference.
EDIT: She's very happy with the device for web browsing.
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Thank you for your reply.
That is really helpful.
can you tell me your opinion about the difference in PPI from both models, since they both have the same resolution, but the nexus is smaller?
Also, how is the tab for typing with the thumbs in portrait mode?
Cheers
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A modded 10.1 with performance tweaks is a joy to use. Battery life is sick @ 7000mah too. I have one for myself and one for the wife and they're wonderful. The kernel I'm running is OC'd to 1.4GHz and GPU @ 400 so while it's still not a match for newer devices, 3d games are still running nicely. A build.prop tweak for increasing buffer size will make web browsing even more enjoyable and most custom roms account for that, I've found.
In portrait mode the tab is still a bit wide...if you have long thumbs you shouldn't have any issues. If you were cursed with bitty digits stick with landscape and key the way you normally would.
I don't know anything about the Tegra 3 devices but I can tell you about my experience with the GT7500 . The main reason I got it was for Web browsing and watching video content on my daily commute. I really like using using this device and I may be imagining it but the display seems crisper since ICS updated. If you can get one really cheap I say buy it
I think it is
I think it is an option, is fast, convenient and runs android. The only think i guess should be reconsidered, is the price since with the introduction of the Kindle Fire HD, its price is now prohibitive.
If you can get it for under 250, I would think so. If you're a spec freak, you might prefer a quad core but you'll pay a lot more for a ten incher.
It depends on what you plan on doing on the tablet.
Yes, I can get it under 250 and I just plan on using it for web browsing, tapatalk, some note taking, videos... no gaming. Just maybe the occasional angry birds type of game.
Cheers
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No. There are better and cheaper options.
ASUS is a better choice..bang for the buck.
Google Nexus is pretty sweet also.
I own these Samsung Galaxy tabs gentlemen...this is an unbiased opinion.
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İn my opinion,in this year (Q4 2012) Galaxy tab 10.1 is still nice tablet.but in 2013 GTab 10.1 become old.my advice is you should not take it.wait 2013 :good:
Hello.
I know it is not state of the art, but all I want is a tablet to web browse on the couch or on the coffee shop.
I am also thinking about an original Motorola xoom. It is almost the same specs as the tab 10.1, but it runs stock android without the need for custom ROMs.
If I get any of the two cheap enough, maybe I could resell them in a couple of months and then pick a better 2013 tablet without much loss.
And until then I could have a nice tablet to browse...
Thoughts?
Does a 1920x1200 screen make a huge difference in browsing experience? Is it worth twice the money?
Cheers! And thanks
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In my opinion the only good thing ever to come from Motorola was their MC68000 CPU chip.
And that is very ancient computer history..
Motorola products do not have good track records.
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Argos have been knocking them out at "half price" in the UK. Mainly 3G models left for home delivery. Likely to be as rare as hens teeth in store. I've ordered a 16GB 3G model for £250 (it's being delivered tomorrow ). Seems like good value to me.
Linky here
Check in store stock at iCheckStock
So, how is the state of CM10 development for the tab 10.1?
Already with project butter and stable?
Cheers
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I can tell you that prior to the ICS update, I was very unhappy with the Galaxy Tab 10.1. It was frustratingly slow, and using it was not a pleasant experience. Then I bought a Nexus 7 and totally fell in love with it. I did end up tweaking it with Nova launcher, but did not root it. After the ICS update I still wasn't happy with the performance of the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Then I added Nova launcher and the same tweaks as for the Nexus 7. Did not root the Galaxy tablet either. And the performance seems to have improved so I am no longer complaining. However, I have to say that I still rarely use the 10" tablet. For me the 7" form factor and the higher pixel density works better. Or the weight. The 10" tablet never leaves the house, and rarely leaves the bedroom. The 7" tablet goes everywhere. I would recommend giving some thought to what size works for you best. Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. The 10" tablet should be better at note taking. I've seen lots of comments that the 10" should be better for videos and web browsing, but that hasn't been my experience. The Nexus 7 seems to have more apps available for it. For example, Flipboard is available for the Nexus 7, but not for the Galaxy tab. (It works fine on the Galaxy tablet, you just can't get the apk from the Google Play store.) If I had $250 to spend and did not have either tablet, I would either buy the Nexus 7, or save up for a better 10" tablet. I don't think the original Galaxy Tab 10.1 is worth $250, not when you can get a tablet that works better for $199.
For the usage you describe either the galaxy tab 10.1 or the xyboard would suffice (the later having microSD expandability). If the Asus Transformer TF300 is in the same price range the it is worthy of a look too (tegra 3), though I'm not sure what the status of development is for that device.
It has taken a long time for development to get to the point that it has for the galaxy tab 10.1 due to how long Samsung decided to wait to release ICS. CM9 development is far along with CM10 still needing work. There are some great devs here as in other device forums.
As for screen resolution one would expect that despite the color accuracy issues of the nexus 7's screen the higher pixel density of that panel would render text better and in my comparison between the two (I own both) that is the case so I would expect no different from a 1080p screen on a 10-inch form factor. That said the 10.1 does have a very nice panel and it's adequate for the use you describe.
Its great that you're doing the research so that you enter into your purchase eyes wide open. Know that you're buying into an aging platform and make sure you can live with the tradeoffs that come with that in order to get the lower price you're looking for.
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I thank you for your insights!
There are really helpful info here!
In regard to the nexus 7, it is a device that is also on my mind. Mainly because as I said, I love my nexus phone and the whole nexus experience of stock android and updates from Google.
Does who own both, how is the web browsing on the 7? Does the higher PPI makes up for the smaller screen?
How is using nexus 7 vs a smartphone like the galaxy nexus? Very different? Or is it a close experience?
Cheers and thanks!
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Should I buy One

Hey Guys, I'm considering buying the Nexus 7 and was hoping to get some opinions on it vs the other 7'' tabs out there. Any pros / cons, battery life.. stuff like that. Thanks for any help
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nexus+7+reviews
Most people here will say yes, seeing as it's the Nexus forum. Read/watch your own reviews and make up your own mind.
I would also say "yes", however. It's a great little device.
I had an iPad 3. I love the size of the Nexus 7. The screen is not as bright and vivid, but I still ended up selling my iPad and keeping the Nexus 7.
I figured I'd get mostly positive opinions, after watching / reading all the reviews I figured I'd try to solicit some good honest user generated feedback. Sometimes you read the reviews and its hard to tell if they have an agenda associated with them. Thanks for the feedback!
I just sold my TouchPad which was running a solid version of CM9 and gave my wife my Nook Color which is running CM10 in favor of my Nexus 7. After a year with a 10" tablet and a couple of years with the Nook Color I determined that the 7" form factor works best for me. I prefer the build quality of the Nook Color over the Nexus but I like the size of the Nexus and of course the updated hardware specifications better than the Nook. I haven't put my Nexus down long enough to establish the battery life under normal conditions (I have only had it for 10 days) but it seems reasonable. The first few nights it drained more than I wanted with the screen off but after turning off sync on various applications, the GPS (when I am not using it), and setting the WIFI to sleep when the screen is off it holds it's charge pretty well. Rating: :good::good:
I came from a 10" touchpad. I rarely even use my laptop anymore. So rarely my girl wants me to sell it. I love my tab...its perfect.
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Love it, have no regrets, does seem pointless at times but never use my laptop anymore. Just my desktop or this badboy
I had my N7 since July and it took me a few days to like the smaller size but now I love it. There is only one App on my Apple that I want that isn't on Android but it is a game and not a big deal.
For $250 you can get 32GB N7 or for $299 32GB w/ cell modem that are all cheaper than any iPad. N7 has a lot of specs better than the new iPad Mini that would cost $559 to match the same features as the $299 N7.
Thank you guys for your input I def appreciate it. I'm by no means fluent at all things android but I do love to have a rooted device. I rooted my S3, is its similar or more difficult to gain root access and would you say there are a decent amount of Roms to choose from?? Thanks again
It's SUPER easy to root and unlock a nexus 7 just use wugsfresh toolkit
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The Nexus 7 is great.
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okay to good as standalone device. GREAT when it's connected to wifi.
It has been more than enough for web browsing compared to using my phone, and for gaming it is great.
you should wait a week or so and get the 3g version.
Thanks for the opinions guys! I Think I will def. pick up the 7. Is the 3g one going to be available for Verizon? I saw something about it coming with ATT and you can get pre-paid Data cards is that the only option?

Returning to best buy.. want to restore stock.

Got my note and rooted it in less than 30 min and now I think I'm exchanging it for an Asus that is giving me a good deal. I noticed my firmware is li3.. I have n8013.. where can I find the Odin firmware.. I've only found the lh2.. or does it not matter? Has anyone been successful returning it back to stock with untripped counter? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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just do factory reset. they won't check it, don't worry. If you want, you can always download them at sammobile.com
Just return it. They aren't going to check anything
Even with a modded recovery? Lol seems risky to just return it all modded out aha
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So I can get a tf300 for 300 dollars right now.. do u think its a bad decision over this note.. I love everything about the note but the screen kills it.. and for 150 dollars less the Asus seems to be the better deal. Anybody want to give me some opinions on this. Still trying to make up my mind. Its really tough.
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So I can get a tf300 for 300 dollars right now.. do u think its a bad decision over this note.. I love everything about the note but the screen kills it.. and for 150 dollars less the Asus seems to be the better deal. Anybody want to give me some opinions on this. Still trying to make up my mind. Its really tough.
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Wait, the tf300 has about the same size screen as the 10.1 (1280x800). If you want the 1920x1200 screen you need to get the tf700 infinity.
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Wait, the tf300 has about the same size screen as the 10.1 (1280x800). If you want the 1920x1200 screen you need to get the tf700 infinity.
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Yes it has the same but its 150 dollars back in my pocket..I'm a lil bummed that there are others tablets for the same price with much better resolution. I have a note 2.. and things look better on it than the 10.1... basically I just want some Input on whether its better to save 150 and go with Asus or stick with the 10.1..
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pezlomd said:
So I can get a tf300 for 300 dollars right now.. do u think its a bad decision over this note.. I love everything about the note but the screen kills it.. and for 150 dollars less the Asus seems to be the better deal. Anybody want to give me some opinions on this. Still trying to make up my mind. Its really tough.
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I have the tf300 and when I got the note 10.1 it was not a contest. The note is obviously more responsive. The tf300 has a couple of good roms available and Asus is the best with updates. But I keep the note with me and the wife has the tf300. It might not be that big of an issue to you since you have note II.
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The processor and ram alone makes it better then that Asus....
The note is way better than the ASUS tf300. The software and interface is better. The Note is faster and more responsive. I chose the Note over the tf700 for the same reason. I owned a Transformer tf101 for the last year and have played with the 300 and 700 extensively. Once I started playing with the Note it was over. I think the screen is quite nice, definitely better than tf101. II've only owned the Note for 2 days but I've been very impressed so far.
The note is by far the best. I had tf201 and tf700. Played with the 300 and it felt like a prime with better Wi-Fi. The note however beats them all hands down all around the block. Sure Asus updates quicker but they feel slower and stutter more. Not to mention you can kiss your warranty goodbye for Asus for custom roms.
Bottom line stick with the note.
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The note is way better than the ASUS tf300. The software and interface is better. The Note is faster and more responsive. I chose the Note over the tf700 for the same reason. I owned a Transformer tf101 for the last year and have played with the 300 and 700 extensively. Once I started playing with the Note it was over. I think the screen is quite nice, definitely better than tf101. II've only owned the Note for 2 days but I've been very impressed so far.
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Man my note 2 is just such a beast. You think they will give the same note 2 abilities to this bad guy note 10.
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I don't know why people are impressed with lots of updates....
Seems to me that someone who updates continuously is doing so because there are major problems with their OS... Look at windows, updates for vista were made everyday but with windows seven there are a lot less.
Just because updates are pushed by Asus doesn't mean its a better tablet, just that it is probably buggier and they're trying to play catchup...
The Note 10.1, though not perfect, was a very stable tablet from the day I powered it up for the first time. JB may be a long time coming but at least it should be a good, stable rom that is pushed out.
Is the note really worth the $450 even if you have no plans on using the s pen.
I played with one for a couple of minutes in bestbuy on Wednesday but couldn't get over the price point especially since i don't see myself using the s pen, worse now that the tf300 is $300 for the 32gb model.
My biggest need is a really good, quick, responsive web browsing experience. It seems like the tegra 3 is not equipped to offer me what I need but im not sure if the exynos can handle it either.
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I don't know why people are impressed with lots of updates....
Seems to me that someone who updates continuously is doing so because there are major problems with their OS... Look at windows, updates for vista were made everyday but with windows seven there are a lot less.
Just because updates are pushed by Asus doesn't mean its a better tablet, just that it is probably buggier and they're trying to play catchup...
The Note 10.1, though not perfect, was a very stable tablet from the day I powered it up for the first time. JB may be a long time coming but at least it should be a good, stable rom that is pushed out.
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I agree. But this is not why I'm considering it. Apart from the pen and touchwiz I feel like its about the same. Sure less ram but for 300 dollars it seams like a no brainer value. The note is quick I'll give it that and I'm starting to like it more and more but at times I feel like my note 2 has so much more to offer with the s pen, multiwindow jelly bean out the box. I thought the note 10 would be just as good. I can't even hover scroll with the pen like I do with the pen on the note 2.. the screen does look good but I would expect more from the price. I'll prob end up keeping this thing anyways tho.. hearing a lot of negatives about the Asus line. Even tho it seems just as good.
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Yes it has the same but its 150 dollars back in my pocket..I'm a lil bummed that there are others tablets for the same price with much better resolution. I have a note 2.. and things look better on it than the 10.1... basically I just want some Input on whether its better to save 150 and go with Asus or stick with the 10.1..
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It really comes down to how you use your tablet IMHO. I want to use my tablet like a notebook with a pen and paper like interface, so for me the Note 10.1 was the best fit. The price difference was a factor at first when I was deciding between a tf300,tf700,nexus 10 and Note 10.1. But in the end, the most important thing for me was the user interface on how i used the device. The S-Pen and the applications like S-note, were exactly how I wanted to use a tablet device, so the price difference and even the screen resolution didn't matter nearly as much. I'd say look at how you are planning on using the device, and decide based on that first. Price is a factor but if you save 150 but don't use the device as much because you lost important features you didn't realize were important to you, then the savings weren't worth it IMHO.
I owned the tf300 for three weeks. It was purchased from BB for $269, 16G version. The tf300 was returned to BB and I pickup a note 10.1 for $459. Much more than I wanted to pay but this tablet is great.
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okay tablet but the bootloader was locked - my device would not unlock with Asus tool.
lagged
Qual score about 3400
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rooted with custom Rom - took me about one hour
Run really fast qual score about 5700
Screen looks good
I will keep this tablet for three weeks than make a decision.
I didn't have any problems with the bootloader unlock tool by Asus but many others did. If price is an issue then consider the nexus 10 over the tf300. Some of the issues with the tf300 have been fixed because simple tasks like downloading apps would cripple the tablet and cause the play store to force close. A few updates and a move to "Clean Rom" had everything running smooth. You wont be blown away with the note 10.1 because you have the note 2.
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I have both the note 2 and the 3g note 10.1 with the jelly bean update. I love the 10.1 because it has not given me any major issues with regards to crashing etc it is super smooth with the quad core and 2gigs of Ram. Yes the display may not be as good as the newer transformers but everything else is much better in my opinion.
With the jelly bean update, it is as good as the note 2 because it contains all of its features but on a larger screen which is far more practical for professional use such as taking notes at meetings etc. The multitasking is also more meaningful on a 10.1 unless you are using the smart dock for the note 2 or connecting via an mhl cable to a larger display.
I have no regrets having both devices. If price is one of the biggest factors for you then go for the Asus otherwise stick to the note and you will not regret this decision. A number of people think initially that the pen is not going to be used that often but after putting it to practical use, they soon change their opinion about it.
I have come from the original transformer so do not notice or mind a reduction in display quality as the notes one is more than adequate and if I want true hd quality, I just connect it to a TV or projector with hd via an mhl lead or the all share cast dongle.
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Is the note really worth the $450 even if you have no plans on using the s pen.
I played with one for a couple of minutes in bestbuy on Wednesday but couldn't get over the price point especially since i don't see myself using the s pen, worse now that the tf300 is $300 for the 32gb model.
My biggest need is a really good, quick, responsive web browsing experience. It seems like the tegra 3 is not equipped to offer me what I need but im not sure if the exynos can handle it either.
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You get what you pay for. As someone said above, the TF300 is a de-contented Prime with better wireless which makes it over a year old both in design and components. The Note supports 5GHz dual-channel Wi-Fi with channel bonding (like the newest iPad), has BT 4.0 (the TF300 is 2.0 and the TF700 3.0), dual-channel RAM, 2GB of RAM (vs. 1GB), Glonass support for location services, two forward facing speakers, a flash for the rear camera, and a larger battery.
You specifically mentioned web browsing. All Asus tablets suffer from IO issues caused by their choice of storage solution. When there are background processes running the browser and UI can become almost unusable. There are hacks available to make things better but the device needs to be unlocked and that voids your warranty. Adding $100 for SquareTrade (unless you don't care about a warranty) puts the two devices closer in price. And multiview, even without S Pen, is a really cool feature in a 10” device.
Here's a component comparison between the TF700 (a "better" device than the TF300) and the Note. If there's a corner that can be cut, Asus will cut it. You'd be better off picking up a used Note or N10 off of eBay or CL to stay in your price range than buying a year-old new TF300.

Can't decide between new Nexus 7 and Note 8.0

I've owned a N7 2012 for about a year, and I have a buyer for my old one, so I'm looking at upgrading. I haven't used a stylus device in years, but I used to love them: precision text editing, sketches to supplement an explanation, and unambiguous link clicking in the browser.
I expect longevity from my devices, and my previous experience has been that the charging connector breaks first on every mobile device I've had. This gives the N7 the serious advantage with the Qi inductive charging.
OTOH, the Note's performance is more future-proof: a 96GB Note (thanks SD-card expansion) will stay useful longer with a 32GB N7, and the benchmarks also come out clearly in favour of the Note: (Slashgear Note 6900 http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/quadrant_gnote8_attwtmk.jpg vs N7 5600 http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content...enshot_2013-07-25-13-17-52-google-nexus-7.jpg ).
But the performance doesn't count for all that much, since my main use for my current N7 has been reading: PDFs, e-books and websites. I use it mostly around the house, and my phone when I'm out and about.
Can anyone suggest something I haven't considered that may be relevant? The price isn't going to sway me much one way or the other.
Thanks
I prefer note 8 due to larger size and I won't mind carrying a slightly bigger one. Was coming from 7.7. I would have taken if it's nexus 8.
Happy user of note 8.
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I don't know what I can add except my reason for buying a Note 8.0--the pen. I bought my Note for school to replace everything in my bookbag--no more notebooks, no more laptop, no more text books. So far I'm very happy with my decision. I was also considering the new Nexus but because I wanted the ability to take notes, the lack of a wacom pen was off-putting. The Note was well worth the extra money for me.
I'm split between these two devices also. The new Nexus has the 1080p screen and prompt updates in its favor. The Note 8, suprisingly has a very good screen despite being 1280*800, but don't expect to get any updates for this. I mean you can always go AOSP or AOKP but that defeats the purpuse of even buying a Note. So if being stuck at Android 4.1.2 forever doesn't bother you the Note is a good choice.
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I'm split between these two devices also. The new Nexus has the 1080p screen and prompt updates in its favor. The Note 8, suprisingly has a very good screen despite being 1280*800, but don't expect to get any updates for this. I mean you can always go AOSP or AOKP but that defeats the purpuse of even buying a Note. So if being stuck at Android 4.1.2 forever doesn't bother you the Note is a good choice.
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why should we not expect updates for the note 8.0? I thought they were already working on e 4.2.2 build. in fact a quick search suggests thats its already available
I had the nexus 7.2 for a week and a half, the 16Gb version and it had a very nice screen fast processor but returned it due to frequent reboots, apparently it only happens on the 16Gb version. Got the note 8 instead. Am very satisfied with it.
I'd recommend you get the Nexus 7.2 first use it for a week then return and get the Note 8, that way you can see the strength and weakness of both and then decide which one is more useful to you. I am glad I did that, the Nexus 7.2 was how to say this not to hurt anyones feelings -plain vanilla- which is not bad, but you can't really compare the two because of the S pen feature on the Note 8. The Note 8 screen is not bad at all, but the 7.2 beats it, and I find that I do use the S pen more often than I thought I would. Also I'm a long time Samsung user and I like their products. I gave the Nexus 7.2 a try but am more comfortable with the Note 8, also love the S pen, for that alone it was worth it to me.
So as I mentioned get one use it as is for a week or two then return it and get the other one. Test both, but in my opinion you can't really pin the two tablets against each other. They are both good just depends what you are going to use it for, if you're a big game player get the Nexus, if you going to use the tablet for other things get the Note 8
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why should we not expect updates for the note 8.0? I thought they were already working on e 4.2.2 build. in fact a quick search suggests thats its already available
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I've owned more than a few Samsung devices, I currently own a two SGS 3, AT&T and Sprint. Neither are on 4.2.2, which is why i'm on CM10.1.2. I'd be pretty happy with a TouchWiz 4.3, but I know Samsung is pretty lame at updates that's why I made that statement, if the Note does get the 4.2.2 update, that's great, but I don't think they will go past that.
Hopefully Samsung is doing an overhaul on TouchWiz all together, I may stick with Samsung devices, otherwise my next device will be a Nexus. I've given up hope for the skin based phones and updates.
It really comes down to how much you value the s-pen....i thought I'd get much more use out of it (i do a lot of handwritten note taking, but at meetings i typically type in notepad) and never did so I just put my Note8 up for sale because the extra $100 wasn't worth it because it was still faster/easier for me to jot something quick on a post it than to take out the spen, launch the note app, scribbe something, save it....
however when I was in school the ability to take down quick notes and write on-screen on pdfs/ppt was *very critical* and I loved my W7 tablet with ntrig (this is all pre-tablets so it just depends on your use case
With OTG usb, you can still use microsd on the Nexus7, althought it's a bit more work and takes up the charging port..not sure if the new N7 has that yet (you had to be rooted on the old N7 to use it)
screenwise, the new N7 quality is much better, but I find the slightly larger note 8 to actually be easier to read on and use
I'm close to making my final decision because I refuse to keep the Note 8.0 and the N7 (2013) that I currently have.
The N7 is super nice. The display keeps drawing me back over and over. I like the fact that I can watch Netflix on it and not accidentally press the back button like I tend to do on the Note 8.0. I love the crisp text in my ebooks. And who doesn't love stock?
The Note 8.0 is better from a productivity standpoint for me, and it's why it currently leads. Outside of holding it in landscape and pressing buttons accidentally, I actually prefer the feel of the Note 8.0 more than the new N7. The display isn't nearly as bad as some would have you believe either. Sure if you have it side by side the N7, you'll see it, but in my opinion it looks real good.
Also a sidenote for comic book readers. I use Comixology, and I'm not a fan of the panel to panel view unless I'm forced to use it due to something being very small. It's easier for me to read comics on the Note 8.0 compared to the N7. Probably because of the extra inch of real estate.
Probably the reason I still go back and forth is because I know I can expect updates and a vibrant dev community on the N7, but probably not so much with the Note 8.0. Heck, I have the AT&T LTE variant, and I sadly can't even root that yet. Good luck with your decision.
I went ahead and ordered the 32GB Nexus 7.2. I figure I can always sell it for about what I paid for it if I decide not to keep it.
I got the previous Nexus 7 as a gift, but actually ended up selling it (and keeping the more lowly spec'd Tab 2 7" I already had) because the Nexus was just so flaky. Apparently it was a great device prior to 4.1, but I only got onboard after that. Plus the speakers were PATHETIC (unacceptable for a device that screams multimedia consumption.) I'm hoping those are better this go-round as I use mine for backgound music/video quite a bit.
There's pros to being on the bleeding edge of updates I guess. But I almost view it like you're being an unofficial beta tester. Samsung may not always have the latest official Android version on all its flagship devices, but all my experiences with them to-date have been outstanding. There's a reason (beyond just marketing) that they're the most dominant OEM in the Android world.
If the primary purpose is reading as OP has posted, I would suggest note 8 to be better choice.
My primary reason for buying note 8.0 was reading (PDF's as well as comics) and considering that almost 38 GB of my external 64 Gig card is occupied by books i would say i am more than pleased by my choice.
The extra screen size does matter here though both share similar 16:10 aspect ratio , which is quite ok,
another surprise feature, the reading mode that samsung built into this is amazing (though it might appear strange at first) but now I just can't imagine reading without that , it's easier on eyes,less stress and for me makes for much better concentration. add a good reader app (I absolutely love the free perfect viewer app for pdf and comics)
The secondary thing for me was the s-pen. since i have been using wacom tablets on pc since late 90's I found this quite adequate. My N-5100 costed me around $530 USD) which is surely definitely on the costlier side of things however I would still consider it worth that extra dough.
I also primarily use this at home and mine is still unrooted (haven't found a need or reason to root it yet).
Gotta decide what's your most important feature.
For me tablets can have two distinct purposes, media consumption device or productivity device. As a media consumption device there isn't much use to me for a tablet because honestly, most things are just more convenient to do on my phone since I always have it, and it has a data connection.
Now as a productivity device, there are a couple things the note 8 excels at. PDF and textbook portability/editing, handwritten notes, and remote desktop control. The spen takes this device to a higher level of productivity because there is no device with a comparable stylus. But for anything else like word document editing, media production, music/picture editing, tablets in general fall short because laptops/desktops are just better.
So if you want a media consumption device, the new Nexus 7 is probably better or even the iPad for that matter. But for productivity the spen will make up for the other shortcomings like lower screen pixel density, less frequent operating system updates, etc.
MobileTechReview posted her review, comparing the two tablets. Everything she said is exactly the same thought I have between the two tablets. I currently have both. I'm more tempted to return the Nexus, but don't know yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7aPvUqdcds
But everything she states in the video is the same opinion that I have noticed from using them.
She doesn't mention bugs, but the Nexus has its own bugs too... such as apps crashing or becoming unresponsive to touches. I have seen the GPS crash several times using a GPS testing app.
It took me ages to decide between the N7 and note 8, and I decided on the note 8. But now I realise, that as I'm going university next year, I'll probably need a laptop, and I'm confused all over again
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I'm split between these two devices also. The new Nexus has the 1080p screen and prompt updates in its favor. The Note 8, suprisingly has a very good screen despite being 1280*800, but don't expect to get any updates for this. I mean you can always go AOSP or AOKP but that defeats the purpuse of even buying a Note. So if being stuck at Android 4.1.2 forever doesn't bother you the Note is a good choice.
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4.2.2 is already out for uk. I am on it now
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MobileTechReview posted her review, comparing the two tablets. Everything she said is exactly the same thought I have between the two tablets. I currently have both. I'm more tempted to return the Nexus, but don't know yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7aPvUqdcds
But everything she states in the video is the same opinion that I have noticed from using them.
She doesn't mention bugs, but the Nexus has its own bugs too... such as apps crashing or becoming unresponsive to touches. I have seen the GPS crash several times using a GPS testing app.
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Agree with almost everything she said as well. I disagree with her assessment of the speakers and volume though. While this year's Nexus finally has proper speakers they're still not as loud as the Note 8's. The quality is a bit better as far as separation/bass goes, but not as loud.
I'm probably going to stick with the Note 8. It's just hard to go back to 7" display no matter what the resolution. It's great that the text is clear, but it's tiny - and the saturation isn't as good. And I've already experienced the Nexus bugginess (unresponsive to touches) several times as well.
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4.2.2 is already out for uk. I am on it now
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How is it compared to 4.1?
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Agree with almost everything she said as well. I disagree with her assessment of the speakers and volume though. While this year's Nexus finally has proper speakers they're still not as loud as the Note 8's. The quality is a bit better as far as separation/bass goes, but not as loud.
I'm probably going to stick with the Note 8. It's just hard to go back to 7" display no matter what the resolution. It's great that the text is clear, but it's tiny - and the saturation isn't as good. And I've already experienced the Nexus bugginess (unresponsive to touches) several times as well.
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I haven't had any complaints about the Note 8.0 speakers either.
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How is it compared to 4.1?
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Maybe more smooth
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I own the original nexus 7...
I currently own an ipad 4 (so I'm used to looking at retina display), I've had the note 10.1, nexus 10, etc....
Honestly I think 8" is the sweet spot. I want to love thenew nexus 7 so bad but I feel like 7" is just a tad too small. The extra screen area from an 8" tablet seems sooo much larger and more usable when browsing websites. Am I crazy? I feel like I keep reading about screen clarity vs spen vs whatever ... but to me the real battle is do you prefer 7" vs 8" - I'm probably going to get both and then return the one I dont' like. As I said, I'm used to the retina screen as well as the beautiful screen on my htc one; however just playing around with the note in the store, the screen honestly isn't that bad and colors are quite quite good.
That said, the nexus 7 screen is by far superior BUT I still think the larger size provides so much better screen real estate and thus ease of use.
Anyone not get the nexus 7 simply because they don't like a 7" tablet?

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