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Hi,
does the Wizard have a maximum transfer speed for access to the miniSD card slot?
I'm looking for a miniSD card, and thinking of whether the Wizard can take advantage of the very high speeds of the latest cards. Is it worth giving the extra money to get a very fast card or not?
Is 150x about the fastest available?
AFAIK 80x is the fastest available miniSD
Im using it (1GB 80x)
Maybe we can do some benchmarks? any good software to test memory?
ATP claims 150x speed
georgex said:
Hi,
does the Wizard have a maximum transfer speed for access to the miniSD card slot?
I'm looking for a miniSD card, and thinking of whether the Wizard can take advantage of the very high speeds of the latest cards. Is it worth giving the extra money to get a very fast card or not?
Is 150x about the fastest available?
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Don't bother spending extra money for a high speed card. Even going back to the earliest days of PPC's, it's all about the PPC's I/O to the media card. The only real advantages of a high speed card is when using with a digital camera or when using the card in a card reader.
I have a Sandisk 1gb card that runs just fine in my K-JAM. On my 2750, I have a 1GB Lexar sd and 1gb Lexar CF.
JNGold said:
Don't bother spending extra money for a high speed card. Even going back to the earliest days of PPC's, it's all about the PPC's I/O to the media card. The only real advantages of a high speed card is when using with a digital camera or when using the card in a card reader.
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Thanks! That's an answer for one of my questions. Could you please try to help me a little bit more?
Sorry to ask that way...
Regards
georgex said:
Hi,
does the Wizard have a maximum transfer speed for access to the miniSD card slot?
I'm looking for a miniSD card, and thinking of whether the Wizard can take advantage of the very high speeds of the latest cards. Is it worth giving the extra money to get a very fast card or not?
Is 150x about the fastest available?
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You won't be able to use the full potential of fast cards. Please read http://pocketpcmag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17921 for my article on all this stuff.
I'm glad I found this thread. I've installed some software onto the miniSD card and I noticed they load slower. The worsest problem is now the soft keyboard selection menu takes a full 7 seconds to pull up. I was thinking about buying a faster miniSD to solve this problem, looks like I'll just have to live with it.
Ok im not good at sd cards, can someone tell me what's the difference on sd classes? I know the lower the class is the slower the mbits/s is. I was looking up some micro sd on ebay the class 2 were the most expensive ones. Can someone tell me why?and whats the best sd for the phones were using now or at least for our g2? Thanks!
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G1rome said:
Ok im not good at sd cards, can someone tell me what's the difference on sd classes? I know the lower the class is the slower the mbits/s is. I was looking up some micro sd on ebay the class 2 were the most expensive ones. Can someone tell me why?and whats the best sd for the phones were using now or at least for our g2? Thanks!
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IDK why class two was the most expensive, I always run class 6, higher then that are extremely hard to find, and i'm not sure what the expansion port's max speed is, I have heard there is no difference with the one or two higher class 10 cards that are available
SD: Class0: below 2GB
SDHC: Class2(2MB/sec)
SDHC: Class4(4MB/sec)
SDHC: Class6(6MB/sec)
Class2&4 fit a smart-phone the most.
Class6 is kinda too quick for a cell...people often use it in a DSLR(Digital Single Lens Reflex)
The quicker speed of transferring a card has ,the bigger the capacity is.(well......usually.....)
BUT when you use a very very big card in you phone.Let's say 32 GB . Your phone WILL be burdened by the card,thus slowing down significantly.
Hope what I said was right..
8GB is the sweet spot.
I think it is ridiculous to have the Xoom only be compatible with only Micro-SD card instead of regular SD card. It is not like the tab is so small that the regular SD card would not fit. It is NOT a phone.
Regular SD card has the benefit of:
1. Much much cheaper for a bigger space.
2. Did I say it is cheaper for a bigger space...?
3. Faster speed
I am not sure if it will use more energy and decrease battery life. But even still, how much more energy can it actually drain compared to the micro-SD card.
Sometimes I have no idea what the designers/engineers are thinking when they develop technology. There is always a missing screw somewhere.
Wow...I am finish ranting...
What a relief.....
Erm, internal space?
Earthbrain said:
I think it is ridiculous to have the Xoom only be compatible with only Micro-SD card instead of regular SD card. It is not like the tab is so small that the regular SD card would not fit. It is NOT a phone.
Regular SD card has the benefit of:
1. Much much cheaper for a bigger space.
2. Did I say it is cheaper for a bigger space...?
3. Faster speed
I am not sure if it will use more energy and decrease battery life. But even still, how much more energy can it actually drain compared to the micro-SD card.
Sometimes I have no idea what the designers/engineers are thinking when they develop technology. There is always a missing screw somewhere.
Wow...I am finish ranting...
What a relief.....
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What you forget is that by sticking with MicroSD it's more compatible with other devices. If you want to put that same card into your phone or any other mobile device, you have greater compatibility with MicroSD. If you want to put it in a regular SD card device, you can do so with an adapter, but you wouldn't have that same versatility/compatibility with a regular SD card as you would with MicroSD.
EnderTheThird said:
What you forget is that by sticking with MicroSD it's more compatible with other devices. If you want to put that same card into your phone or any other mobile device, you have greater compatibility with MicroSD. If you want to put it in a regular SD card device, you can do so with an adapter, but you wouldn't have that same versatility/compatibility with a regular SD card as you would with MicroSD.
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+1
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Maybe you can find some space behind the back cover to put one of these in? Might be worth a shot..
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/sd-to-microsd-transflash-card-converter-module-27001
While I agree that MicroSD is more compatible with other devices, I would imagine a normal SD card would give the Xoom a more competitive advantage over the iPads in terms of the amount of overall storage that they can use. There are already 64GB SD cards, while I believe the max for a MicroSD is still 32GB. (Correct me if I am wrong.)
blakejohnson86 said:
While I agree that MicroSD is more compatible with other devices, I would imagine a normal SD card would give the Xoom a more competitive advantage over the iPads in terms of the amount of overall storage that they can use. There are already 64GB SD cards, while I believe the max for a MicroSD is still 32GB. (Correct me if I am wrong.)
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You're wrong MicroSD has support for SDXC however, most devices are not SDXC compatible. Just as you will find that most SD card readers are not SDXC compatible.
Earthbrain said:
I think it is ridiculous to have the Xoom only be compatible with only Micro-SD card instead of regular SD card. It is not like the tab is so small that the regular SD card would not fit. It is NOT a phone.
Regular SD card has the benefit of:
1. Much much cheaper for a bigger space.
2. Did I say it is cheaper for a bigger space...?
3. Faster speed
I am not sure if it will use more energy and decrease battery life. But even still, how much more energy can it actually drain compared to the micro-SD card.
Sometimes I have no idea what the designers/engineers are thinking when they develop technology. There is always a missing screw somewhere.
Wow...I am finish ranting...
What a relief.....
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I only wish that what is already there would work.
EnderTheThird said:
What you forget is that by sticking with MicroSD it's more compatible with other devices. If you want to put that same card into your phone or any other mobile device, you have greater compatibility with MicroSD. If you want to put it in a regular SD card device, you can do so with an adapter, but you wouldn't have that same versatility/compatibility with a regular SD card as you would with MicroSD.
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But if the Xoom had a SD slot instead of MicroSD you could just use that same MicroSD card with the adapter in the Xoom.
If you're gonne be swapping out a card from the Xoom to a phone, you might as well be using the SD slot to store the MicroSD to SD adapter.
It would cost Moto pennies to include the adapter in that slot, but still allow people to just dump it and use a regular SD card in there if they want to
In my opinion, its all about having options. (Thats why we like android after all) An SD card slot would give us options, to use a MicroSD in there with an adapter, or to use a regular SD if we'd rather do that. The MicroSD slot doesn't give us the same option in reverse.
Its really not a big deal to me, but thats just what the case in favor of it would be.
Why can't my aunt have male genitals... then she'd be my uncle and we could play basketball together.
WHY?????
gbenj said:
But if the Xoom had a SD slot instead of MicroSD you could just use that same MicroSD card with the adapter in the Xoom.
If you're gonne be swapping out a card from the Xoom to a phone, you might as well be using the SD slot to store the MicroSD to SD adapter.
It would cost Moto pennies to include the adapter in that slot, but still allow people to just dump it and use a regular SD card in there if they want to
In my opinion, its all about having options. (Thats why we like android after all) An SD card slot would give us options, to use a MicroSD in there with an adapter, or to use a regular SD if we'd rather do that. The MicroSD slot doesn't give us the same option in reverse.
Its really not a big deal to me, but thats just what the case in favor of it would be.
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That is my thought exactly.
That is why I made this post.
EnderTheThird said:
What you forget is that by sticking with MicroSD it's more compatible with other devices. If you want to put that same card into your phone or any other mobile device, you have greater compatibility with MicroSD. If you want to put it in a regular SD card device, you can do so with an adapter, but you wouldn't have that same versatility/compatibility with a regular SD card as you would with MicroSD.
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Uh, in the situations you described, an SD card slot would be a MUCH better choice. Having an SD card slot would give you the OPTION to use an SD card, and the OPTION to use an SD to microSD converter and use a microsd card. So if you were concerned with sharing media between phone and tablet, you would just need that little SD to microsd converter.
Edit: I see now that this point has been made multiple times.
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Why can't my aunt have male genitals... then she'd be my uncle and we could play basketball together.
WHY?????
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You too?!?! I thought I was the only one who wondered that! Lmfao classic
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I wish it had an SD card primarily for viewing pictures from digital cameras.
I do not want to put a microSD card and an adapter into my DSLR, and as many have mentioned, the larger storages and faster read/write speeds are cheaper for an SD card versus the same capacity microSD counterpart.
SD card would have made so much more sense. Hell, I don't even care if Motorola included an adapter, who the **** here has more than one microSD card and zero adapters? I think I have like 2 adapters, maybe even 3.
Micro SD jus the universal mobile standard
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Sorry man I don't really see it as a problem unless you have a camera with a regular SD card slot. If this is the case buy a MicroSD with the adapter thats what I do. If I buy any new cards I get Micro and make sure it comes with the adapter. That way I am #winning. The cards are so cheap anyway. Who would have thought you could buy and 8gb card for less then 20 bucks?
zone23 said:
Sorry man I don't really see it as a problem unless you have a camera with a regular SD card slot. If this is the case buy a MicroSD with the adapter thats what I do. If I buy any new cards I get Micro and make sure it comes with the adapter. That way I am #winning.
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"and as many have mentioned, the larger storages and faster read/write speeds are cheaper for an SD card versus the same capacity microSD counterpart."
That is why I don't want to put a microSD card in it!
pekosROB said:
"and as many have mentioned, the larger storages and faster read/write speeds are cheaper for an SD card versus the same capacity microSD counterpart."
That is why I don't want to put a microSD card in it!
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I understand the cost factor. When you get into the larger capacities the prices between a 32gb card doubles for a Micro SD. Its just another way for the man to stick it too ya.
I'm glad it's microsd, the xoom is thick enough as is imo
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Honestly guys? You make think the tablet has "plenty of space", but if you've ever done product design or circuit board layout, you'll find that anything smaller makes a big difference. I used to think the change to MicroUSB from MiniUSB was lame, but I've laid out some circuit boards with both connectors, and *MAN* are Mini USB connectors huge!
I felt the same way about the change from SD, to Mini SD, to MicroSD, but honestly, regular SD is huge.
They did it because of size guys, thats all there is to it.
If you want to connect your camera, the Xoom supports USB hosting so you can just plug it right in (Does it work with cameras? I don't have my Xoom yet, but I thought they said it does or will support this), or just use a MicroSD card in your camera. 8GB cards are like $15, and do you really need that much space in your camera? I'm a photographer (well, its a hobby) with a Canon 40D and I only carry like 6 gigs of cards on me (a 4 and a backup 2).
If you never take the pictures off your camera I could see it being an issue, but I never do that for fear of losing them if I lose the camera or the memory fails.
Anyway, none of that matters. They did it because of size. It really does make that big of a difference.
So I'm wondering if there is a micro SD card slot then do you really need to buy the 32gb version? It appears that the current math among tablet manufacturer's is $100 for 16gb of memory which is obviously a joke. So if i buy the 16gb version and then buy a 16gb sd card ($25) do I effectively come out with the same thing for $75 cheaper?
Depends how you use it. I think it will behave like the Samsung Galaxy S in that the built in memory will appear as a different location to the external memory. Files cannot span both locations and thus your file may not fit even though the total combined free space you have left is larger than the file you are trying to copy.
well if thats the case then in general it will work just fine. Chances arent very good that i'm going to have some massive file on there.
Internal memory is probably faster than 25$ microSD card.
You could spend $90 on a Class 10 32GB card and be looking pretty good.
there you go, 32 gb for the price they are offering 16gigs. sounds good to me. not only that but you can spread that cost. Drop the $499 now, wait a couple months and get the micro sd later. thanks for the info
Magnesus said:
Internal memory is probably faster than 25$ microSD card.
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On my galaxy s, my class 4 micro sd card is as quick is the internal memory. I'm sure the tab will allow quicker speeds but it's worth noting that a class 4 card is sufficiently fast enough to play back 1080p without problems. If you want to save time transferring files between tablet and pc then fair enough but I would personally save money and get a class 4 and make a cup of tea while it copies
Just but the 16GB, as long as it has a micro SD slot you won't need anymore than that.
Thats pretty much what it mean, the question now is whether it will actually have an SD card slot, I have read conflicting reports that it does and does not have one.
Blueman101 said:
Thats pretty much what it mean, the question now is whether it will actually have an SD card slot, I have read conflicting reports that it does and does not have one.
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I think the conflicting reports are due to two different versions of the Tab 10.1. The version shown during the MWC does not appear to have a MicroSD card slot. The newer version shown at CTIA does have a MicroSD card slot. Most reviews are consistent with this but a few have gotten it wrong which has probably led to the confusion.
There's a number of differences between the versions but the easy to identify differences are thickness and MP of the rear camera. The first version (MWC) is 10.9mm thick and has an 8MP rear camera. The newer version (CTIA) is 8.6mm thick and has a 3MP rear camera.
Techno79 said:
I think the conflicting reports are due to two different versions of the Tab 10.1. The version shown during the MWC does not appear to have a MicroSD card slot. The newer version shown at CTIA does have a MicroSD card slot. Most reviews are consistent with this but a few have gotten it wrong which has probably led to the confusion.
There's a number of differences between the versions but the easy to identify differences are thickness and MP of the rear camera. The first version (MWC) is 10.9mm thick and has an 8MP rear camera. The newer version (CTIA) is 8.6mm thick and has a 3MP rear camera.
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Yeah i figure thats about what happened. Hopefully we will see some detailed(confirmed) specs soon so we can know what is really driving this thing. Also, perhaps finally review the optional UI question.
Dear Samsung,
Y U NO INFORM EXCITED PUBLIC OF FINAL SPECS!
Actually, what I want is 64GB internal memory model, with or without microSD card
I prefer without, if the space can be used to a little bit more battery and/or reduce the weight!.
I am now getting used to Nexus S, the one without microSD card. To my surprise, I can live with it, comfortably
true, you probably can live without an SD card. But the reason most people will probably get a 16gb plus a 32gb SD is because its cheaper (even with the extra 32gb SD card purchase) then paying an extra $100 for a mere 16GB
I actually have a 16gb class 4 sitting around collecting dust. I'll just stick it in 16gb model
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jvs60 said:
I actually have a 16gb class 4 sitting around collecting dust. I'll just stick it in 16gb model
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there ya go
gogol said:
Actually, what I want is 64GB internal memory model, with or without microSD card
I prefer without, if the space can be used to a little bit more battery and/or reduce the weight!.
I am now getting used to Nexus S, the one without microSD card. To my surprise, I can live with it, comfortably
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I wouldn't have thought removing a MicroSD card slot would save much space or weight. A MicroSD card is tiny as too the housing for the slot.
For me, the want of a MicroSD card slot is not for expanding storage space cheaply but more for being able to transfer files to/from MicroSD easily. There's many situations when I would want to do this with a MicroSD card from my other devices or it is a MicroSD card from someone else I am with. In those situations, it's sometimes easier than faffing around with cables, bluetooth or Wifi. So the slot just gives another option.
That's true. Having microSD is handy. Especially if you want to transfer a lot of files or big files.
But, my point is that no-microSD will not stop me buying a tablet
After I owned Nexus S, I don't think it is important anymore as long as the internal storage is big enough.
Again, this is my own preference
Techno79 said:
I wouldn't have thought removing a MicroSD card slot would save much space or weight. A MicroSD card is tiny as too the housing for the slot.
For me, the want of a MicroSD card slot is not for expanding storage space cheaply but more for being able to transfer files to/from MicroSD easily. There's many situations when I would want to do this with a MicroSD card from my other devices or it is a MicroSD card from someone else I am with. In those situations, it's sometimes easier than faffing around with cables, bluetooth or Wifi. So the slot just gives another option.
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Blueman101 said:
Yeah i figure thats about what happened. Hopefully we will see some detailed(confirmed) specs soon so we can know what is really driving this thing. Also, perhaps finally review the optional UI question.
Dear Samsung,
Y U NO INFORM EXCITED PUBLIC OF FINAL SPECS!
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The one released in Aust. last week is a 16GB no SD slot model. I haven't seen a confirmation of the one that has the SD slot but have heard rumours that it will be thinner and up to 32GB.
I thought the internal memory was available to both system & data doesn't this mean that the internal memory would be an ext flavour rather than a FAT?
I see your point and I have to agree that it does seem a bit cheaper just to get the 16gb model and buy a 16gb sd card unless u plan on being a data/movie packrat on ur Tab in which case you will want to get the 32gb model as well as a 32gb sd card.
I want the highest storage available period!
I don't care if it cost more. I would rather get a 32 GB and have another 32 GB of SD card storage.
I wish that there is a 64 GB version with SD card slot so that I can have 32 GB SD card to make the total of 96 GB.
I can never have enough space because I have so many HD movies that I want to store in my tablet.
Do you use a MicroSD? What kind? I'm shopping for one and can use some suggestions... From cheap to expensive... Preferably cheap (;
16gb or 32gb
Class rating, I'm not sure. Are there any consideration for this on the tablet?
Ordering from NewEgg so if you have a link for one there, post'em.
Don't go too cheap. With stuff like this you do get what you pay for to some extent.
Sandisk, Patriot, Kingston, PNY, Sony etc are all brands I've had luck with. At present I've got a 16GB PNY. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178378
I got it for a higher price a while back, but no problems here in my Gtablet, A500, PC or either of my 2 laptops, one of which runs Debian 6.0
I get mine from Amazon, since I get free 2 day shipping with Amazon Prime. Picked up a Sandisk for a little over $56.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003WGJYCY
Is there a difference between SD and SDHC? And what about class?
Heres what im looking at-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220547&Tpk=microsd
2x32gb for 80'ish which seems like a good deal to me considering 1 goes for near 70... or am i reading that wrong... wife could use one for her hand me down archos 101.
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Is there a difference between SD and SDHC? And what about class?
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SD is limited to 2GB, SDHC was the newer standard, supporting up to 32GB. SDXC is the newest, but I don't think there is a micro form factor yet and I don't imagine our devices have SDXC controllers in them. I may boycott SDXC for using proprietary exFAT as the recommended filesystem too.
Class is a speed based thing. Class = minimum write speed in MB/s(technically a multiple of 8Mbps). So Class 2 = 2MB/s. Class 10 = 10MB/s. Write speeds. Keep in mind reads will be faster usually.
Awesome, thanks for that concise explanation.
Does the tablet have a maximum class rating? Will it bottleneck on class 10? I'm looking at the class 6 as a minimum.
Well, maybe class 4... I just want to store my music on it and have it as some extra storage. Class 4 should be fast enough, eh? I wont be moving apps to it - ill keep those on the primary storage. But for playing music, accessing pictures, class 4 seems like it would fast enough for that.
Thoughts?
Folks,
Also, I have been using SDHC's and microSDHCs for a while now and it
has been my experience that sometimes there a little incompatibilities.
Even good brands sometimes don't seem to work for some reason.
I'm saying, pick your best choice, but that doesn't GUARANTEE it
will work. Need a little good fortune also!!!
Rev
Okay, I'm ordering:
Kingston 16GB Micro SDHC Flash Card w/USB Reader Model MRG2+SDC4/16GB
$32.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139195&cm_re=microsd-_-20-139-195-_-Product
I wouldn't pay any extra for anything beyond class 6 or so for a tablet. If a 10 was on special for a really good price maybe, or if you shared it with a camera that needed a class 10 maybe get one.
I suppose we could port hdparm or bonnie to our tabs and run it from adb shell or busybox and see if different class cards got different rates.
I got my SD card a few days ago - the one I linked to two posts up.
Plugged it in (has a usb sleeve) and moved a few songs onto it, put it in the tablet, started the tab, started Google Music and it saw them all. Shut down, moved about 8 gig of music onto the card, plugged it back into the tab, booted, launched Music, took a few seconds but it saw them all, played some and everything is golden.
I'll check in if I ever have any issues.
Thanks for the help folks!
I realize you already got your card, but figured I'd throw in one extra piece of info in the event that anyone stumbles upon this thread in a search at a later date.
You asked a question about class and an early poster provided some great info about what SD card classes mean. I think it's important to note that the class you need depends on the intended usage of the card. High speed cards (those with high class ratings) are most important for applications that require you to write large amounts of data in short amounts of time. The best example of this is photography. Rapidly taking high resolution images requires that a ton of data be written to a storage medium very quickly. As such, you'll see class ten cards in a lot of cameras.
If you intend to do things like store documents, music, etc. on the card - primarily for consumption - you don't need high speed.
One thing to note - if you write to the card a bunch (throw a few new hd movies on there every couple days) you will appreciate a better write speed. Also, picking up a higher speed card means that it can be used for a number of different applications (sharing with a camera for example). Given that there often is only a slight difference in price between a low speed and a higher speed it's usually a better deal to get a higher speed card (the flexibility and time savings are worth a few extra dollars).
Good info. Thanks for chiming in!
just a small FYI ...
with froyo ... SDcard IS SDcard & you can APP2SD or used what I have sworn by -->> MOD INSTALL LOCATION ( in phone forums )...etc
Now.. we have HONEYCOMB... and it partition a little differently. ( although I believed it's the manufacturers that have the final saying... based on the comparision between the Acer & the Asus )
the 2 read your physical SDcard like this:
Asus -->> REMOVABLE
Acer -->> EXT microSD
Your EXT SDcard is only good for storing data/medias ...etc ( currently apps cannot be install on the physical card.
your whole internal is actually partitioned into 2 areas
/ 1 small part for the OS/ROM ..etc
/ the LEFTOVER is actually read as THE SDcard !!!
use a file manager and explore the directories structure to see what I mean !!
so ... 2 future solutions:
1/ XDA DEVs will find a way to let us install to a preferred location. ( and they will !!... in due time )
2/ application developers just have to write their new programs to accommodate Honeycomb ..etc