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release date?

anyone have any idea when the fascinate will be released?

I heard mid august, wish it was sooner cause I'm bummed about the droud x bein locked down
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Verizon will probably release it like one day after the 30 day mark of the Droid X, so people that are mad at how locked down it is can't swap it to the Fascinate. Wouldn't surprise me. Makes me hesitant to buy the Droid X, since I'm kind of wanting the Fascinate, but am anxious for a new phone.

kregstrong said:
I heard mid august, wish it was sooner cause I'm bummed about the droud x bein locked down
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I'm kinda new to the android scene. what does it mean to be locked down? that it can't be rooted?

gonzoine said:
I'm kinda new to the android scene. what does it mean to be locked down? that it can't be rooted?
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Motorola is doing absolutely everything in their power to make the Droid X as restricted as possible, in terms of the Android hacking community getting root access to it. The current most accurate estimate until root access is achieved for the Droid X is "at least 4 months", according to Birdman. Cracking the bootloader (which is necessary to use any custom ROMs) may never be achieved. Motorola is really screwing the pooch here and making a lot of fans of the original Droid unhappy.
Samsung, on the other hand, has embraced the Android hacking community. The bootloader is completely open and accessible, and root was achieved very easily. The huge Galaxy S release around the world and with all the major cell providers in the U.S. might very well catapult Samsung to the top of the list for cell phone manufacturers, which is no easy feat; time will tell. One thing is for sure: there will be a TON of Galaxy S accessories available, and it will have a gigantic hacking community before long. I'm pretty impressed with their Galaxy S launch; not only is it huge and (I think) the biggest phone launch ever by anyone, but the fact that they've managed to keep the phone "wide open" to the hacking community really shows they're in it for the customer and not JUST money. (or rather, they're in it for the money via pleasing their customers)

OP, how about putting a question mark after the title of the thread to indicate your are asking a question here. Otherwise people are lead to believe you know the release the date.

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OP, how about putting a question mark after the title of the thread to indicate your are asking a question here. Otherwise people are lead to believe you know the release the date.
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lol my bad. it's fixed

att started dishin theirs out today ahead of schedule. non contract price is 350 for us. check with ur local v store to see if ur galaxy is also gettin put out early.

No mention of a release date anywhere...

ive emailed both samsung and vzw, neither will give me any info as to release date
vzw only said that there are new phones being tested to see how they work on thier network

hmmmmmmmm they could be purposely delaying it to give their new droid breathing room. sorry guys

I wouldn't doubt their holding off on releasing this. The Droidx and droid2 are supposed to be their money makers so why throw this phone in the middle and muck up the sales on the other two. They could also be trying to lock it down who knows. All I know is I want this phone

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Yesterday we showed you Verizon’s leaked summer catalog. And while it did feature some usual suspects, such as the Motorola Droid X, and even a yet-unannounced smartphone, the Motorola Droid 2, one device was strangely missing from it.
The formally announced Samsung Fascinate, Verizon’s very own Galaxy S, was nowhere to be found in the catalog, hinting to public availability post-summer season.
And now it looks like, indeed, this may be the last-to-launch of all the different Galaxy S variations to show up in the US
Verizon’s official comment on the Fascinate’s release date now states a “late summer or early fall” possibility. And judging from the construction of that phrase, fall availability seems the most plausible right now.

It's unfortunate, but it makes sense that Verizon would hold off in order to sell more Droids

read that att launched its galaxy s version on sunday

I don't get this at all. what the hell does vzw care which phone it sells as long as its selling them. Having such a large customer base they could really lead the way by putting out phone after phone while sprint & att try to keep up.

rumor has the droid 2 for august 23rd release, with android 2.2
so that pushes the fascinate out until sept if they keep staggering

Verizon really pisses me off with this, since they can't keep up with demand on the DroidX or the Incredible they should have a high end Android phone to offer their customers. I really don't understand the rumored 2Gb internal memory either, it's a high end device and all the other Galaxy's have 16Gb if I remember correctly. I played with the AT&T version and it is a great phone, same overall size as my Droid but alot thinner...just feels good in your hand.

read somewhere that motorola and Verizon committed over $100,000,000 (one hundred million) dollars in advertising for the droid. motorola needs the droid's to do well or they'll have to leave this industry shortly. This is the last hope for them. They dropped the ball with the evolution of phones to smartphones. And the Droids are their last gasp. So just like ATT won't advertise the captivate on T.V. or thier website. Don't expect Verizon to advertise it either.

Samsung Fascinate is so much more appealing to me than any of the droid series right now.
Maybe Verizon should ditch motorola and make a deal with samsung

Trade my N1 for Motorolla Atrix?

Hmmm, tough decision! The thought occured to trade up to one of the most powerful 4g phones on the At&t network. The Motorolla Atrix.
"The Android 2.2 device is powered by Nvidia’s 1GHz Tegra 2 AP20H dual-core processor (one of the first dual-core phones) and has an impressive 1 GB of RAM, 16GB of internal memory, a powerful 1930 mAh battery, a 540×960 4-inch multitouch screen with gorilla glass (scratch and shatter resistant), a VGA front-facing camera, a 5MP rear camera that can record 720p video, and a proximity sensor for auto-turn-off."
What do you think?
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I'm very tempted to do so myself. Going dual core is the way now. Of course unless you want to wait for the Qualcom 3xx processors (PS3/360 graphics). The Atrix 4G has caught my attention for sure. I hear it's got some sort of fingerprint scanning tech.

Aren't motorola bootloaders locked down, and have extra extra "no play with", security features.
Desire is the source of all suffering.

its very nice phone. specs are out of this world. however, lock bootloader kills me. one thing going for motorola is that they actually update their phone with updated software. droid x has official froyo after release.
Koush, the dev for clockwork recovery, has released boot strapper to load custom roms. He also have clockwork recovery for the droid x and droid 2. their is some dev support but i believe there is like two custom roms worth flashing. Coming from N1 dev community that is nothing.
Atrix sounds awesome, if you are not really into dev and modds. However, it sounds like if you into modding your phone, it will be a difficult phone to fix up. But its looks so sweet. i will wait and see how the devs and get it after it gets released.

I'm just saving up some money to buy the Atrix outright with hopes that I can trade it for a Bell or Rogers version so that I can keep my $10 unlimited data plan and keep my Nexus One to boot ( I'll need a device to feed my flashing habit plus I just don't see myself ever letting my Nexus One go)
LONG LIVE THE NEXUS ONE!
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GarJones27 said:
I'm just saving up some money to buy the Atrix outright with hopes that I can trade it for a Bell or Rogers version so that I can keep my $10 unlimited data plan and keep my Nexus One to boot ( I'll need a device to feed my flashing habit plus I just don't see myself ever letting my Nexus One go)
LONG LIVE THE NEXUS ONE!
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Unless I'm missing something, I don't see the point of buying an AT&T Atrix outright, only with hopes to trade it for a Bell/Rogers one. Why don't you just purchase a Bell/Rogers one, assuming they will exist, from a place like Negri Electronics? (Unless, of course, you want it ASAP, which I don't blame you for)
Also, you may not need to buy outright from AT&T to keep your unlimited data plan, unless you don't want to renew a contract. I tested this out a few days ago by going through the steps of "purchasing" a Captivate with a 2-year renewal. When it got to the services and features step, I was defaulted on the selection of my current, unlimited data plan. I was not forced to select a tiered plan. I guess the plans are grandfathered unless you plan to change the services on your renewal.
But I will be getting an Atrix once their available. I have never unlocked or rooted my Nexus One, and I don't plan on doing it for this phone either. I'm more of a casual user (relatively, compared to everyone here).

For those in the UK, the Atrix is headed to Orange in Q2.
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I personally would not touch a Motorola product.

I really want the Atrix and am saving for it too. I'll probably just be cautious and wait to see what the hackability of it.
I think we should start a petition demanding for an unlocked boot loader. Then again that would never work. Stupid Motorola.
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I'm not really thinking about giving up the N1, but picking up the Atrix as a second phone. Will swap out the sim card and buy from someone other than Att. The minute you change anything on your account, the faster you get taken for a ride. As far as Att goes, they still think I'm on an Iphone 2! It doesn't pay to buy direct unless you want a contract extension or lose your unlimited data plan. Will buy from ebay or a third party. Eventually Att will eliminate unlimited data in an effort to maximise profits and relieve network congestion. When that happens my phone will have the wifi radio on 24/7 and sit docked. The Atrix should be available in about a month.
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the minute you change anything on your account, the faster you get taken for a ride.
this is sooo true, I didn't do anything for years... My debit card numbers changed so I had to update att ONLINE to the new payment card.. Complete mistake.
I'm thinking I'm going to switch providers after my house sells.

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What do you think?
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Hmmm:
- Better battery
- Bigger screen
- Docking / Webtop capability
- Dual core
- 1 ghz ram
- HSPA+
Sounds like an upgrade to me!
If you've got the money to burn why not? This thing will set the standard for 2011 and is futureproofed in this regard.
Very small chance that I would upgrade though...

The Altrix is a killer phone. Just two things stand in my way:
1) price unlocked, no contract
2) ability to root.
My Nexy is more than capable and the only thing I miss is HDMI out.

amnigo said:
Unless I'm missing something, I don't see the point of buying an AT&T Atrix outright, only with hopes to trade it for a Bell/Rogers one. Why don't you just purchase a Bell/Rogers one, assuming they will exist, from a place like Negri Electronics? (Unless, of course, you want it ASAP, which I don't blame you for)
Also, you may not need to buy outright from AT&T to keep your unlimited data plan, unless you don't want to renew a contract. I tested this out a few days ago by going through the steps of "purchasing" a Captivate with a 2-year renewal. When it got to the services and features step, I was defaulted on the selection of my current, unlimited data plan. I was not forced to select a tiered plan. I guess the plans are grandfathered unless you plan to change the services on your renewal.
But I will be getting an Atrix once their available. I have never unlocked or rooted my Nexus One, and I don't plan on doing it for this phone either. I'm more of a casual user (relatively, compared to everyone here).
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Because I don't want to go through buying it from a 3rd party with shipping and all to the U.S. it could just be a hassle. I guess I could just buy it outright from Bell or Rovers but there is also the added benefit of another member of XDA making out so they can keep there plan.
The plan change comment only works if the new phone is of the same class. Since AT&T recognizes my Nexus One as a "basic" phone I qualify for the $10 unlimited data plan add-on for my family plan. Something that did not happen when I upgraded my plan a few months ago for the Captivate due to it being" smartphone" which means unlimited data is $30 or $25 for the 2GB cap. So this would happen again if I tried to upgrade to the Atrix. Not to mention, I used my upgrade so I wouldn't be able to get the subsidized price for the Atrix.
BTW- Your Nexus is already unlocked, they all are
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I used a Milestone for a bit and loved everything except the encrypted bootloader.
With OC and Froyo it was a lot of fun. But I will never again buy a Motorola phone. To me the Atrix is tempting as well but their politics concerning the bootloader is not acceptable.
I prefer my "broken" N1 (washing mashine -> No bluetooth, no FM radio, no camera) over any Motorola mobile every single time.

I think it's time for Google to announce an HTC Google Experience phone with Atrix specs... cmon google! You know you wanna!

MitchRapp said:
I think it's time for Google to announce an HTC Google Experience phone with Atrix specs... cmon google! You know you wanna!
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Atrix should of been the nexus successor. Nexus S is crap compare to the atrix. Just wish MOTO is more open with there software. Then devs will be all over this. We will have to wait and see how it turns out. Due to spec there will be slot of peeps getting this phone. Hope more devs to crack the boot loader.
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justbabu said:
I personally would not touch a Motorola product.
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what if it personally touched you?

nexusonemeover said:
what if it personally touched you?
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I personally touched myself when I read the specs... Seriously though I'm in the same boat as most here, if it can get a proper root and developer support I'm in. Otherwise I soldier on with the N1 till something equally lustworthy pops up.

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Skynet is upon us all?
Unless Motorola decided that their bootloader is no fun, I don't see this device getting rooted. Maybe they will change their policy when they release a Nexus device (yes, I am sure that every manufacturer will release a Nexus device).

AT&T-branded phone not looking good for U.S. Release

The more I read (which is entirely too much lately), the more it seems that the SG2 is going to take a long time to have an "official" release in the US. I try to put myself in the position of there possibly being two different consumers (one for the Infuse and one for the SG2). Unfortunately, I don't think there is a "need" for both devices. It really seems counterproductive for AT&T to release the SG2 so soon after the release of the Infuse.
Call me paranoid but, I would REALLY like to have a phone that isn't a gray item (for warranty). I have faith in the hardware but you never know with electronics.
Anyone have an opinion on it? I have an iP4 which is perfectly fine. I just REALLY want to get an Android device and would prefer to stay on AT&T (service locally is good, and I am on an unlimited data plan).

mattism78 said:
The more I read (which is entirely too much lately), the more it seems that the SG2 is going to take a long time to have an "official" release in the US. I try to put myself in the position of there possibly being two different consumers (one for the Infuse and one for the SG2). Unfortunately, I don't think there is a "need" for both devices. It really seems counterproductive for AT&T to release the SG2 so soon after the release of the Infuse.
Call me paranoid but, I would REALLY like to have a phone that isn't a gray item (for warranty). I have faith in the hardware but you never know with electronics.
Anyone have an opinion on it? I have an iP4 which is perfectly fine. I just REALLY want to get an Android device and would prefer to stay on AT&T (service locally is good, and I am on an unlimited data plan).
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If your iphone is in good shape and unlocked, sell on ebay for loads of cash. Purchase a sgs2 for 700-750. Still will be able to use your unlimited plan.
But I really dont see SGS2 on ATT anytime soon.

I thought there was some big non-carrier specific announcement by Samsung in New York on May 24th or something? Honestly, the Infuse is just an oversized SGS with an overclocked CPU.
If you've seen the video demonstrations of just how powerful the SGSII is, you'll start to realize these two devices are actually worlds apart. I'm using an unbranded SGSII, but if you're holding out for AT&T's version, don't give up yet!

You cold buy a SG2 overseas but it won't work on the same 3g band as AT&T. If you are planning to stay on at&t why don't you.buy the Motorola attic. I own one and its incredibly fast.
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cmd512 said:
I thought there was some big non-carrier specific announcement by Samsung in New York on May 24th or something? Honestly, the Infuse is just an oversized SGS with an overclocked CPU.
If you've seen the video demonstrations of just how powerful the SGSII is, you'll start to realize these two devices are actually worlds apart. I'm using an unbranded SGSII, but if you're holding out for AT&T's version, don't give up yet!
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I'm leaning on taking the dive early. And wicked car in your sig.

josuetenista said:
You cold buy a SG2 overseas but it won't work on the same 3g band as AT&T. If you are planning to stay on at&t why don't you.buy the Motorola attic. I own one and its incredibly fast.
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You'd be wrong, twice. It does indeed work on AT&Ts 3G/"4G" bands [unlocked]. Its also called the Motorola Atrix 4G, not the attic. While quick, MotoBLUR is garbage.

cmd512 said:
I thought there was some big non-carrier specific announcement by Samsung in New York on May 24th or something? Honestly, the Infuse is just an oversized SGS with an overclocked CPU.
If you've seen the video demonstrations of just how powerful the SGSII is, you'll start to realize these two devices are actually worlds apart. I'm using an unbranded SGSII, but if you're holding out for AT&T's version, don't give up yet!
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There's an announcement planned, yes. However, it could easily be for the AT&T branded Nexus S or one of the new tablets.
To those of us who care about hardware the phones (Infuse and SG2) are definitely worlds apart. However to Joe Consumer who doesn't know or care about hardware specs, I don't think it will matter.
The wife keeps giving me the evil-eye when I mention ordering one from the UK. I think I'm wearing her down though

josuetenista said:
You cold buy a SG2 overseas but it won't work on the same 3g band as AT&T. If you are planning to stay on at&t why don't you.buy the Motorola attic. I own one and its incredibly fast.
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I've messed with an Atrix. Seemed OK. Not spectacular though. I have a friend who actually returned his for the HTC Inspire (and loves it). That doesn't speak well to me. Plus EVERYTHING I've seen about the SG2 proves it's definitely the cat's meow (currently).

kakwvu said:
I'm leaning on taking the dive early. And wicked car in your sig.
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Appreciate it, friend.
mattism78 said:
There's an announcement planned, yes. However, it could easily be for the AT&T branded Nexus S or one of the new tablets.
To those of us who care about hardware the phones (Infuse and SG2) are definitely worlds apart. However to Joe Consumer who doesn't know or care about hardware specs, I don't think it will matter.
The wife keeps giving me the evil-eye when I mention ordering one from the UK. I think I'm wearing her down though
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It's not just about the specs, those specs translate into REAL world performance differences. The SGSII has not even had the slightest hiccup with web browsing... regardless of how many windows are open, how many graphics are in each window, etc. My SGS, while great when it came out, easily got bogged down, and multi-window browsing was never a truly usable feature. Given the Infuse is has almost identical specs to an SGS, I predict it will have similar issues.
People keep thinking these specs being listed off are only for geeks, but once in a while, they do relate to real world usability and performance differences. And when they do, they are QUITE significant.

The title of your thread almost gave me a heart attack thinking there was some type of major technical issue uncovered. My SGS2 arrives tomorrow. More appropriate title would be "AT&T-branded phone not looking good in the U.S."
I guarantee you several hundred thousand of the 3MM presales are destined for AT&T. If you poke around the technical sites, the general consensus is a 4G version for VZW followed by AT&T this year. Nobody's even mentioning Sprint or T-Mobile. Depending on the timing, the SGS2 could be AT&T's first LTE phone. I haven't seen any updates on their LTE status but I'm guessing they're pushing to get something up quickly to show the world they'll be as good as VZW in the long run.

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The title of your thread almost gave me a heart attack thinking there was some type of major technical issue uncovered. My SGS2 arrives tomorrow. More appropriate title would be "AT&T-branded phone not looking good in the U.S."
I guarantee you several hundred thousand of the 3MM presales are destined for AT&T. If you poke around the technical sites, the general consensus is a 4G version for VZW followed by AT&T this year. Nobody's even mentioning Sprint or T-Mobile. Depending on the timing, the SGS2 could be AT&T's first LTE phone. I haven't seen any updates on their LTE status but I'm guessing they're pushing to get something up quickly to show the world they'll be as good as VZW in the long run.
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Sorry about the startle. I changed the title of the thread.
I am just frustrated (as are many I'm sure). I'd like to offload my iP4 before the value drops too much (iP5 release). Unfortunately, I'm unable to go without a phone and I am really nervous about a gray market item. Hell even an unbranded Samsung direct phone would work for me. I'm going to have to pay full price anyhow.

Yeah, I think ATT will get the SGS2 with LTE.

Use the fuzzy math I used to convince myself the phone was only $475. $800 - $325 (sold G2) = $475 Can you really put a price on whipping your phone out and gathering a crowd around to see it for a couple of months? My take on buying an import is you spin the wheel and take your chances. If you buy it in the UK, Samsung U.S. will service it. If you buy from Expansys they'll ship it back to the UK for you for service. How long you're without a phone is probably the biggest concern. If you use a credit card with buyers and/or warranty protection you'd have a back-up that will at least get you your money back. Go ahead, you know you want to do it

The event is NOT for the Nexus S for AT&T. Otherwise it would be an event WITH AT&T, not an independent Samsung event.

Hang in there OP. I am in the same boat. I refuse to replace my iPhone 4 with a $750 phone that will be $500 through my carrier. That's $250 in my pocket. Another $250 and I can buy one for my wife
I bet the event is for sgs2 variants. Nexus s doesn't warrant a bug event just like here in Canada it came quietly on all carriers. No big announcements. Many peope don't even know it lol.
The phone is been out a month and is at&t compatible. The event is def. about something more exciting

I'm in the same boat here, too. However after my experience with the Captivate, and the shoddy quality control of its hardware, and the still-present GPS woes and color-banding issues on the SGS II, it seems Samsung rushed yet another product to market and perhaps these extra couple months we'll have to wait will be well worth it in the end.

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The event is NOT for the Nexus S for AT&T. Otherwise it would be an event WITH AT&T, not an independent Samsung event.
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Could be the Tab 8.9 though.

I was wondering what could be that of the SGS II that recently went through the FCC with AT&T only bands?
I hoping the announcement on the 25th will be that Samsung will sell the GS II unlocked in the states and working on AT&T's network just like Google does sell their Nexus phones.

phonex1 said:
Hang in there OP. I am in the same boat. I refuse to replace my iPhone 4 with a $750 phone that will be $500 through my carrier. That's $250 in my pocket. Another $250 and I can buy one for my wife
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Do you really think it will be $500 subsidized??? There goes my dream of getting it through AT&T!!! The company only pays up to $100 for a new phone so $400 more is hefty *sob*

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Do you really think it will be $500 subsidized??? There goes my dream of getting it through AT&T!!! The company only pays up to $100 for a new phone so $400 more is hefty *sob*
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Go to "USA May 24th announcement" thread to discuss this, I think I mentioned pricing there, or I may be wrong.
I think there is no way the phone will be more than $250 with a 2 year contract on AT&T. My opinion (based on 12 years of buying AT&T phones on 4 lines) it will be around $250, before or after $50 mail-in rebate, depending on when it is getting released. Maybe just straight forward $200 with no rebates if it is released in the fall.

[DEBATE] Motorola Triumph - Virgin Mobile - Ideas?

Hello everyone, I thought since there isn't a dedicated VM or triumph thread I would kinda start one. I am currently on Verizon but I am tired of paying $90 a month on service, when I could be paying 1/4 of that. I have excellent sprint coverage in my area and I have no intentions of leaving my city anytime soon.
But, the big thing about my desire to make a move is the new Motorola Triumph. It looks like a very nice phone, and for me to get a new android phone (sold my Thunderbolt... like an ass), it would cost about $150 for a POS or well used droid. I don't want that... I could spend $100 and get a brand new, 4" phone. Of course this leads to a problem, what is it going to cost.
All in all, I have 2 debate points:
1. Sprint has wonderful service in my area, better than AT&T and T-Mobile, but not as good as Verizon. I DO know that I am willing to have one less bar and slower data to save $60 a month. Also, I don't travel where Sprint doesn't have service, so roaming is a moot point to me, although to some people that shouldn't be a non-factor, as VM doesn't roam out of sprint's network (trade offs... pfft). All in all, a good deal right? Anyone from NC (near the coast) have experience? What is your overall experience if you have them?
2.Virgin Mobile's android phones follow a trend, sell the phone for ~ 50% of retail. I'll prove it:
Optimus S $299 | Optimus V $149 and Samsung Transform (Sprint no longer offers the Intercept) $350 | Samsung Intecept $199 (I see it all the time on sale at BB for $175)
What this leads me to believe is you simply need to find the equivalent phone and simply slash it's price in half, +/- $50. I believe the EVO is the closest match, so take half of that price and you get roughly $225, according to Sprint. Therefore, I believe the triumph will be $250.
^^^ does this make sense and does any one agree/disagree and want to prove a counter point? ^^^
btw, I went to law school, but had to stop due to my lack of finances, but I am a very good debater, and I find a good conversation rousing. Please indulge me!!

IISiDeK1CKII said:
Hello everyone, I thought since there isn't a dedicated VM or triumph thread I would kinda start one. I am currently on Verizon but I am tired of paying $90 a month on service, when I could be paying 1/4 of that. I have excellent sprint coverage in my area and I have no intentions of leaving my city anytime soon.
But, the big thing about my desire to make a move is the new Motorola Triumph. It looks like a very nice phone, and for me to get a new android phone (sold my Thunderbolt... like an ass), it would cost about $150 for a POS or well used droid. I don't want that... I could spend $100 and get a brand new, 4" phone. Of course this leads to a problem, what is it going to cost.
All in all, I have 2 debate points:
1. Sprint has wonderful service in my area, better than AT&T and T-Mobile, but not as good as Verizon. I DO know that I am willing to have one less bar and slower data to save $60 a month. Also, I don't travel where Sprint doesn't have service, so roaming is a moot point to me, although to some people that shouldn't be a non-factor, as VM doesn't roam out of sprint's network (trade offs... pfft). All in all, a good deal right? Anyone from NC (near the coast) have experience? What is your overall experience if you have them?
2.Virgin Mobile's android phones follow a trend, sell the phone for ~ 50% of retail. I'll prove it:
Optimus S $299 | Optimus V $149 and Samsung Transform (Sprint no longer offers the Intercept) $350 | Samsung Intecept $199 (I see it all the time on sale at BB for $175)
What this leads me to believe is you simply need to find the equivalent phone and simply slash it's price in half, +/- $50. I believe the EVO is the closest match, so take half of that price and you get roughly $225, according to Sprint. Therefore, I believe the triumph will be $250.
^^^ does this make sense and does any one agree/disagree and want to prove a counter point? ^^^
btw, I went to law school, but had to stop due to my lack of finances, but I am a very good debater, and I find a good conversation rousing. Please indulge me!!
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$299
speculation wrong
lol, go look it up on bestbuy's site

Like pre-order prices haven't been wrong before... Look at the Xoom. No need to be rude.

The Triumph's specs closely resembles the HTC HD2, using the same Snapdragon 1Ghz processor. The HD2 however uses a AMD z430. The Triumph is listed to have a Adreno 205 GPU. The RAM between the HD2 and the Triumph is 448MB RAM versus the 512MB that's listed (could change). Triumph has a 4.1" display versus HD2's 4.3" -I've held a similar phone from a friend's AT&T Samsung Captivate which is 4" and I felt comfortable typing on the keyboard (big guy with big hands) -I don't think 4.1" will cause much discomfort amongst us big-screen aficionados especially if one is coming off of HTC HD2 or its EVO cousin.
I've searched for similar phones that had the Adreno GPU to get an idea of how the Triumph would handle itself under real-world application. The ideal phones owners to ask about are those who have the HTC G2 uses a similar Qualcomm chipset (Scorpion 800 & Adreno 205) setup that closely resembles the Triumph.
I also saw some interesting information at smartphonebenchmarks.com that explains away iterations of the Adreno GPU (200, 205, and 220). I think the performance on the Triumph will be a tad less than the Droid X but much better than say the LG Optimus One (or V for VM owners) which uses an Adreno 200.
As for VM themselves. I've recently starting using them since June and I like the performance so far. Using a Samsung Intercept I'm pleased with their coverage area as well as the data performance. I can't comment on speed since Intercept uses the EVDO Rev. 0 but it's stable for me in the coverage area.

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As for VM themselves. I've recently starting using them since June and I like the performance so far. Using a Samsung Intercept I'm pleased with their coverage area as well as the data performance. I can't comment on speed since Intercept uses the EVDO Rev. 0 but it's stable for me in the coverage area.
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I have a similar experience. I recently got the Intercept, rooted it and added barnacle. Nice and simple, works good, coverage is as good as ATT so far. I will be moving my whole family next month to VM and save $100 per month. For me, I am going to preorder the Triumph tonight when I get home from work.

A little off topic. I'm not very familar with VM. I have a Vibrant and use next to no voice, but a lot of data. This looks like an Android phone not too much different than the Vibrant. Can I really get unlimited data for $25/month?
I presume its Sprint's 3G only.
Can it act as a hotspot?
Have VM's Android phones been rooted and is there a developer community working on custom roms?

Love the thought of a new Triumph.
They say unlimited data, web, text, email, etc.
Hotspot is simple as pie on Intercept. Triumph will be harder since the phone is new and no one has tried the exploit yet.

I'm taking the plunge and cancelling my tmo service in favor of vm. Saving over 50 a month is way too appealing. Worst thing is justifying the 300 for the phone since anything I get for my MT4G will go towards my ETF.
Triumph will be a fun switch from my phone. I just hope some folks will dev for it.
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I think I will test it out and worse come to worse I'll just return the phone.

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I think I will test it out and worse come to worse I'll just return the phone.
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I just came to the same conclusion too. Have you officially made the switch yet? If so, was it worth it? Details man! Details!

I love my triumph! I have unlimited everything and it costs me 55$ a month after taxes. No decreased speed after 5 gb like T-Mobile, fastest 3G yet (over att or T-Mobile) Oh, and I just flashed Cyanogenmod 7.1. and the gingerbread is much much quicker and more responsive. Easy to root easy to mod, snappy snapdragon processor and now wifi hotspots enabled! (previously blocked by the virgen firmware) camera not functional yet but the devs are working extremely fast with this handset and am confident that full functionality is only weeks away. Thanks Cyanogen mod! Keep up the good work! p.s. Triumph faster than my old captivate and I tried just about all the rom's for it -addict-ord

alternatives to beating a dead horse

I am opening this thread in hopes it will keep other threads cleaner. Motorola did not update to ICS. we know that.
One suggestion I have is JUMP ship. get a different device. You can get a pantech bust for about $100 on ebay with official ICS. I got a galaxy note for $150 myself. The atrix still goes for around $100.
I still have my atrix as a backup phone.
suggestion 2 keep going the rout of requesting cooperation from moto/punit etc. Yes you may feel it is falling on deaf ears and you may be correct.
My main suggestion and point of this thread is please stop posting about this in every atrix thread on XDA. THese threads are to help the atrix community and people must now search harder to find what they are looking for because they must wade through post after post of motohate then post after post of bickering at other members.
please keep our threads clean
if you have any suggestions of what can be done or good deals on alternative phones post them here
Moderators if you think this thread is unneeded or not being used please delete

About jumping ship. I do realize that my suggestion does not help those with all the docks and accessories as much. I do not know what the docks sell for. And I can't speak of the quality of the burst. I do know it requires a smaller sim card. I was just suggesting it as a means to swap for a device with similar specs that is on official ICS with no major cost in the end. I am pleased with the quality of my note but I realize that I got it almost $100 less than average used price

I cant buy another phone...I dont have the money and I have a contract with an operator...and the note in my country cost a lot much than my atrix...so any other sugestion???
from the (M)ATRIX...

I am in US and realize I got a great deal on note. And Also realize that even buying burst even though it has little cost in end has upfront cost of nearly 100 US. I am on straightalk att sim. I am still burnt by moto. I have a nonupgradeable device that is still under manufacture warranty so I don't want to get rid of it yet. hopefully more people will have suggestions as well

I sold my Atrix for a good price ($200) without the lapdock.
then again, I sold it to someone who asks me everyday about how to do stuff, so I consider the extra price as a bonus for all the things I've helped him with.
I got a Note and never looked back. Never again, Motorola. Never.
Still, I'm stuck with an Atrix because my boss has it and he always wants a different ROM. It's a good phone. Such a shame Motorola was backing it.

Well...in my country (argentina) a new atrix on a contract cost 1800 pesos argentinos and a Note on a contract cost 3500 pesos argentinos...so if I want to buy it w/o a contract the note cost 5000 pesos argentinos.
So Im f***...thats why I still pushing moto or punit to release the source code...
from the (M)ATRIX...

AT&T has their own trade in program and currently they value my device at $36. Obviously that's a bit on the low side, but the reality is that something is only worth what you can sell it for, whether that's $10 or $100, and ebay is loaded with them, especially after the ICS cancellation.
That said, I'm stuck in a contract with mine for the next few months with no way out and no money to jump ship. Once opportunity does present itself, I will have to see what's available at the time, but tbh, this was my first true smart phone, yet I'm still feeling stupid for getting it.

Get a phone used that is older than the 4g and has been upgraded to ICS.

My thoughts are you have always been able to upgrade your PC, laptop and other computers at will. Why are phones and tablets any different?
I think the answer is simple: greed. There have always and only ever been excuses that all point to controlling consumer options and taking away freedoms in order to accomplish a bottom line.
For that, I do not believe buying another device will matter. We always end up supporting someone's idea of controlling my content. Screw that. I bought the device, I should be allowed to install what I want. Not what ATT or Motorola or Apple or even Google wants but what I want.
OK, done ranting.
Sent from my Nexus 7

I do not know how it is in the rest of the world but in the US craigslist is a good source for used phones. as with anything though there are also scammers out there. It was sad to see atrix price drop after ics cancelation. I think they went for almost 200 before to 150 after and now about 150. I got my wife a nexus 7 recently. I know it will stay updated but felt a bit bad purchasing from Motorola parent company Google.

My Atrix is just the latest in a long line of attempts to get a good deal for cheap that partially failed. Got my Atrix just before the announced cancellation of the update. Only good thing is I'm not stuck with a contract. I would have made another phone choice, if I'd jknow was being lied to my Moto.

For me its not so much about them failing on the upgrade. Its more about moto actively trying to keep us from getting ICS or any other rom on our own. Locking bootloaders on updates and ordering cease and desist on the leaked kernel. Its a big FU right in all of our faces. I just can't believe a company would actively do this to their customers, not even their regular customers... the enthusiast. makes no sense to me, before the atrix moto is the only phone company I would have. Now its the only one I refuse to buy.

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For me its not so much about them failing on the upgrade. Its more about moto actively trying to keep us from getting ICS or any other rom on our own. Locking bootloaders on updates and ordering cease and desist on the leaked kernel. Its a big FU right in all of our faces. I just can't believe a company would actively do this to their customers, not even their regular customers... the enthusiast. makes no sense to me, before the atrix moto is the only phone company I would have. Now its the only one I refuse to buy.
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On top of money and carrier contracts we may be stuck in, there's also the issue of carrier compatibility. For those of us with AT&T, I'm sure there are devices they don't offer that will work, and some may even have full capabilities, but when it comes to their current offerings, it's pretty slim pickings, regardless of what OS you want.

my brother asked me today if he could use a s3 from sprint on att. I said sadly no. would be nice since sprint phones always seem to go for less money. probably because they have a worse network. I told him to buy it anyway because they wanted 150 for it and I know it is worth more even if the esn is bad. I have been watching for a good used dual core that is updated for my wife. I am not in a hurry because I want a deal. she has atrix as well for now. been looking at lg nitro and s2 s3 onex. probably some others

I picked up a pantech burst for my wife yesterday for 65$. waiting for simcard cutter. dual core and ICS. plus I can still sell atrix for more than that

Haven't been on XDA for a while. What am I missing? There's plenty of stable Jellybean ROMs around.
Fingerprints a gimmick and you can get a camera app. How good do you want your phone camera to be anyway?
Not being inflammatory but get a ROM and enjoy it until your phone dies a natural death.
In fact mine died and I brought a new one for cheap, that's how happy I am with Th3bills Liquid Smooth.
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Blame Google they control moto now.I got a new phone few weeks back still have my atrix themed all out sweet sits home on WiFi still want to update the kernel in it learning a new phone now am support is dieing on the atrix..
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Haven't been on XDA for a while. What am I missing? There's plenty of stable Jellybean ROMs around.
Fingerprints a gimmick and you can get a camera app. How good do you want your phone camera to be anyway?
Not being inflammatory but get a ROM and enjoy it until your phone dies a natural death.
In fact mine died and I brought a new one for cheap, that's how happy I am with Th3bills Liquid Smooth.
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I've got a new phone. i717 note on cm10. a pantech burst on official ics. and will soon be playing with a HTC desire that will have fully functional jellybean. I like playing with these old phones then selling them for more than I paid. and my atrix got replaced under warranty and there is no way as of now to unlock the bootloader.
Even when/if a new kernal is built my atrix is locked. Mine will most likely be sold soon but I want to try the soak test first. Might keep it for a while though as it is under warranty

if there’s a time machine，i would choose Nexus S rather other than Atrix 4g. The crude reality slapped my face，how foolish i was.