Hey xda members,
just had a bit of spare time so I decided to make some photos of my GS2 while displaying a totally black screen.
Normally you can only see these "effects" when you're in a completely dark room while looking at the GS2 being the only light-emitting source through its display.
Note: The actual purpose of this thread is to educate those people who can't imagine what burn-in/ink marks look like in reality. That's it, just plain visual information.
So I hope this isn't an issue even if there may already be a similar thread
I made some of the photos with the roomlights turned off and others with a very dim light.
The photos were shot using a Nikon D3100 DSLR with long exposure/high aperture settings.
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As you can see in the first photo (below), even if the GS2's display shows a completely black image, which should result in a black display (OLED = pixel off) it shows weird marks and still emits a tiny amount of light.
In the second photo I have marked all the relevant weird spots (including screen burn-in caused by grey status bar [see below, marked by arrow])
The OLEDs in the burn-in area seemed to wear out faster because of the static grey shade it was displaying all the time thus resulting in this permanent color change in the affected area.
This burn-in was apparently caused by this theme which I was using for several months. As you can see, even the status bar in a dark grey shade can cause burn in.
A couple of more photos (with different white balance):
See below for photos in full resolution:
Hope this helps in any way and gives those people an impression who can't really imagine how screen burn-in can be caused and how these display issues (ink marks) actually look like when you capture them properly.
Very interesting indeed. Thanks for the great images, it's certainly an eye-opener to one of the main drawbacks of S-AMOLED screens.
Regards.
How long have you had your phone?
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Roughly about nine months, bought it in October 2011.
Sent from my SGS2.
Hope this is no news? Every AMOLED burns in (like crazy). Been doing that since the first models were on the market.
Every SGS2 has it, whether people say yes or no. On my SGS2 it was clearly visible after around six months. Knew it beforehand so it was no biggie/surprise.
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Every SGS2 has it, whether people say yes or no. On my SGS2 it was clearly visible after around six months. Knew it beforehand so it was no biggie/surprise.
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Yeah, also knew it before buying but I never thought the burn-in would look like that so I thought I'd share my experience with the world
While it does look pretty bad on the photos, you can't really see these issues when the screen is turned on with decent brightness, so it's no issue for every day use, but it would be interesting to know how the burn-in looks like if you use your phone for example 3 years.
Still, it looks already really horrible after 9 months of use when you look at the photos. I hope the OLED-technology makes a giant leap forward in the next years so one day these display issues will be a thing of the past.
thanks for the images, i find it disgusting to have that burnt in on a topline expensive phone in short time.
this is my first amoled phone so i dont know what to expect after a year or so, its bad for those who keep thier phones long term, would like to see how the screen is in 5 years time
is it bad when you watch a movie?
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thanks for the images, i find it disgusting to have that burnt in on a topline expensive phone in short time.
this is my first amoled phone so i dont know what to expect after a year or so, its bad for those who keep thier phones long term, would like to see how the screen is in 5 years time
is it bad when you watch a movie?
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Well, it depends while watching a movie. Sometimes I can see the burn-in in movies with a lot of dark scenes, in other movies this issue is not apparent.
Either way..since I discovered this issue, I cannot ignore it anymore which doesn't mean it annoys the hell out of me but still it's a pity to see the phone 'degrading' already after not even a year and spending a lot of money on it.
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ya its really annoying especially with my mentality that when I spend a huge amount of money on a tech kit I expect it to give me like 2+ years minimum
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Lol SAMOLED. That is all.
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So my excitement kinda came to an early end last night. I got my second replacement mt4g due to a bad screen. This one is perfect...except that when I was reading some text on a page with a white background, I noticed that from bottom to top, the white gradually goes from white to this yellowish tint. I will post a picture of it later on tonight.
My question is, do you have/had this problem and did you end up returning it or did it go away kind of like when this was happening to the iphone 4? I really hope this really doesn't become a full-blown issue like with the washed colors, because then I would have to request a 3rd replacement and make sure that it doesn't have dead pixels, dust under the screen, washed out colors, yellow tint, crooked ffc, creaky buttons, and gaps around the bezel. Thanks.
Here is an example of what i'm talking about except my display is white at the bottom and gradually goes to the color of the phone that is on the right, at the top.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=856792
Here you go guys:
img831.imageshack.us/img831/159/img1091z.jpg
(sorry for the link, I haven't posted 8+ times yet)
My bosses phone has looked like that since day 1
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My bosses phone has looked like that since day 1
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Do you think that the problem is improper screen calibration and all I have to do is wait for a software update?
225 views and one reply?? Really guys?? Not trying to sound like I'm whining, but this is a serious problem and I think i'm not the only one. I just received my replacement, and it too has this yellowish tint towards the top of the screen. This will be my 4th time that I will be requesting a replacement, so in total so far, 4 defective phones.
ur phone has a bad screen. when black looks more light greyish and when white doesn't quite look white, bad screen.
return it, these are things u wanna check within the first few days!
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I'm sorry, but it's really difficult to tell based on the picture you linked. Is there any way you can take a comparison photo with a good screen?
I can't see anything wrong from that photo. It will take something more than this to let others know if you have a problem.
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ur phone has a bad screen. when black looks more light greyish and when white doesn't quite look white, bad screen.
return it, these are things u wanna check within the first few days!
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The blacks never looked grayish, the colors were bright, crisp and vibrant, it was when looking at something with a white background. This issue has nothing to do with the washed screens that people are getting.
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I can't see anything wrong from that photo. It will take something more than this to let others know if you have a problem.
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I figured it out based on a chat I had with a friend. I think that the backlight was improperly calibrated or something. Sorry that I can't take a better picture as I have already received my exchange which is much much better, the light is just more distributed evenly then the previous phone. Plus it doesn't creak, the ffc is dead centered, and light doesn't leak through between the bezel and the screen at the top of the phone. After 4 exchanges(5 phones total), I finally got a "perfect" device.
Here is a side-by-side shot sort of(I returned the defective device before I could think of take a pic of them together due to my excitement!)
You can easily tell that the screen of the phone on the right has way more light at the bottom of it and the top doesn't which results in a more obvious yellowish tint. The phone on the left (good one) doesn't have it as bad, the light is distributed evenly. Both were on auto brightness. The good display's(right) brightness is down a bit more but it doesn't matter since I tried to increase and decrease the brightness on the defective one(left) and it made no difference.
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Can you guys with cameras that have manual control test something for me?
Following on from a post by someone else about weird blotches on an all black image displayed on the screen, I checked mine today in pitch darkness and noticed a faint 2 inch or so of blackness on one edge of the screen along with smaller blotches. It doesn't appear to be as visible as the other poster's though but I exaggerated in in the photo so it's easier to see and settings posted below for people to check as well.
This is only visible on an all black screen. This does not exist on any of the S2's I've owned. I'll check my dad's S3 tonight when I go see him in the same way but the way to photograph it to keep the results consistent are as follows:
Stick camera and phone in a cupboard and...
Phone screen brightness: 50%
Camera ISO: 200
Camera Shutter: 15 seconds
Camera Aperture: f/4.5
Remember to pre-focus and use the 10sec timer to avoid shake
Those settings will over exaggerate the effect as shown in my photo below but it makes it easier for everyone to see as you do have to focus your eyes in reality and it's not immediately obvious unless you're in pitch darkness and looking at an all black screen.
I don't know how I feel about this though but if it's visible using the above camera settings for lots of people then I'll leave it as is.
Again, it's only visible on an all black screen so make sure your image that you load is all black and not grey or something Make sure screen timeout is set to at least a minute to avoid the screen going off!
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Thanks!
I used this free app to notice my blotches. It worked great for me. Your method has alot of steps in my opinion.
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What free app? It's a black image with screen timeout extended. The rest is your camera settings to be able to fairly photograph the screen for everyone to compare, an app can't do that
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I used this free app to notice my blotches. It worked great for me. Your method has alot of steps in my opinion.
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Which free app? What exactly did you do in order to notice them?
Did you see these threads Robbie?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1700350
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1683483
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1686633
I didn't see those nope! Thanks for the links. Seems strange though as the white S3 belonging to my dad has none of the blotches, neither does a pebble blue on another forum. My 2 S2 handsets had no issues either.
Oh well!
My first phone: (F/4, ISO 800, 20sec)
Second phone: (F/4, ISO 800, 30sec)
The guy at the store (**** Smith in Australia) was unable to reproduce the issue in-store, so swapped the phone out and said I'd have to go to samsung if I reported the same issue again. The 2nd phone still has the issue, but as you can see, nowhere near as bad... still... not very good is it.
My 2 year SGS1 had about 4 spots - never noticed any issue. The first SGS3 was definitely noticeable just scrolling through system menus at night.
That's rather bad^^ I've emailed mobiflefun with picture so let's see what they say.
Suggest you up your exposure (duration and/or ISO) to make it a bit more noticeable. Looks like you've got a fair amount of guff in the top-left corner.
:/ dodgy manufacturing.
I don't have an SGSIII yet, but I noticed pretty much this same thing on my Galaxy Note. One night I was viewing an image with an all black screen and it had these weird blotches on the screen. I had never noticed them before.
Actually mine does has it as well but I can't seem to see it under normal conditions
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Actually mine does has it as well but I can't seem to see it under normal conditions
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This is AMOLED. My PS Vita has same thing. Nothing you can do about it.
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I have it too. Looks like a crack from the inside out on the bottom left corner.
I can see it in Settings/led notification screen at the bottom at night with screen brightness low.
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This is AMOLED. My PS Vita has same thing. Nothing you can do about it.
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My galaxy nexus doesn't have this so it's not all of them.
I saw around 10 to 15 blotches on my screen,not at all noticable in everyday use only when i looked very closely i saw them scattered around the middle.As its my first amoled phone,i want to know is it harmful for the screen?Shd i ask for replacement?Though i dont have any pink spots or tints watsoever.
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My galaxy nexus doesn't have this so it's not all of them.
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My 4 GNexus did.
Wow this looks like a widespread issue. Samsung needs to know about this
I assume samsung knew even before shipping the units.
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Actually mine does has it as well but I can't seem to see it under normal conditions
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This "issue" is known since the SGS1. Is the leakege from the AMOLED display. One thing to consider i only have a line about half a CM in the same place where you have the circle mark. Maybe a manufacture failure?
quicker way to test.
1 - dark room
2 set auto brightness off and screen to lowest brightness.
go to phone and dial *#0*#
click vibrate test which will display black screen.
and then check....
p.s been through this in other threads here but mky local telco had 26 with this issue went to another telco and got a blue one today - and no issue whatsoever...
A friend of mine used today a S4 and says it has some Ink spots.
Anyone else have Ink Spots?
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You mean like these on the SGS3? I'd be surprised if the SGS4 didn't have them. The N2 did. My N2 may or may not have them because I've never looked at its display on a solid grey background with brightness turned down to zero in a dimly lit room as I don't typically use my phone on a solid grey background at zero brightness in a dimly lit room. There are always multi-page threads in every Galaxy with a SAMOLED display's forum talking about the "ink marks." Yet other then in the situation I described its never affected anyone in everyday use. People that this is going to freak out shouldn't buy a SAMOLED display.
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I don't typically use my phone on a solid grey background at zero brightness in a dimly lit room.
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But..... that's .00000000000000000000000009% of my typical usage. Why Samsung!?! Why!?!
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What Barry said. Those blotches are pretty much standard. If you go "looking" for things, you could see backlight lines on perfectly white backgrounds on LCD too if you're REALLY looking for it. The thing is none of these are even nearly noticeable on daily usage. And neither do they interfere with your usage tbh.
That said, if you're buying the phone to view an entirely black image in a pitch dark room with low brightness, then avoid any AMOLED devices
GS4 has greatly reduced DC Bias. Much better contrast than the GS3 and Galaxy Nexus.
I remember having them on my old SGS3. Really annoyed me so I feel your pain.
It's called "mura" and is present on every Samsung device I have owned (GS2, Note, GS3, Note 2)
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It's called "mura" and is present on every Samsung device I have owned (GS2, Note, GS3, Note 2)
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Yep, every single SAMOLED device, Samsung or not, has it AFAIK. Degrees might vary, but it's there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365032
There are some members saying that apparently applying heat reduces the effect, not even gonna try it though. It is not that noticeable on my Note 2 even on low brightness/pitch black screen on pitch black room. S II users were the ones who had real torrid time with blotches.
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Yep, every single SAMOLED device, Samsung or not, has it AFAIK. Degrees might vary, but it's there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365032
There are some members saying that apparently applying heat reduces the effect, not even gonna try it though. It is not that noticeable on my Note 2 even on low brightness/pitch black screen on pitch black room. S II users were the ones who had real torrid time with blotches.
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Yeah, definitely don't try this. Can't remember where now but someone had this complaint about their Note II and went and used a heat gun on it. Suffice to say that "tiny annoyance" turned into a "I've got to call and get a replacement and this is going to be an awkward conversation". No idea if he got it replaced under warranty or not.
I didn't know.
Now i'm well informed, and will buy my S4 on May. :laugh:
I've had that on my SGS2, the screen was gorgeous so no worry.
I don't think even there are some black spots, anybody can recognize them
The black on S4 is tooooooooooooo black, much much much deeper black than Note 2
I can still see the luminance on Note 2 in dark room, not S4
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A friend of mine used today a S4 and says it has some Ink spots.
Anyone else have Ink Spots?
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it's normal for OLED displays, even the ps vita has it.
My Z2 has a very visible digitizer pattern on screen not only when seen under the sun but also indoors with direct sources of light. Among a few other faults this was one of the things I would have expected Z3 to fix but this is not the case. While surfing Z3 pictures found a pattern similar to the Z2's.
EDIT: Also wanted to add that my HTC M8 has no such problem there seems to be no digitizer patterns on the screen under any source of light.
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My Nexus 5 was no worse than this, granted that phone was "cheaper" but still..
Only people with OCD consider this a problem... Keep shining that light, I see you I see you
Why that bothers you?
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Only people with OCD consider this a problem... Keep shining that light, I see you I see you
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Why that bothers you?
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For my Z2 this happens to be a problem, when text is being overlapped by these patterns it creates a sort of aliasing effect granted this only happens with white background and black text but still.
I used many phones, and belive me. I have high demand and standards. And dosent bother me at all.
I saw that on my Xperia arc, arc s, Xperia S, Xperia z and now on z1.
No single aliasing made by that digitizer.
You have defected phone, or you have really sensitive eyes.
Trust me the only way the OP sees this is by flashing a flashlight right on it.. i've head a lot of people talk about this but no one's actually affected by it
Yes.. you can see only with direct flashlight on it, or direct sunlight but you must go with that in mind to see it.
Regular use will not see that.
it's no difference than AMOLED pentile displays like the ones found on many of the samsung galaxy phones. almost any display you will always see things if you shine bright light on it while the display is off. of course this is not really a problem because people don't tend to stare at their phones while the screen is off.
While I agree it's not that big of a deal, I was surprised to see it. First phone in a long time that had it this noticeable.
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While I agree it's not that big of a deal, I was surprised to see it. First phone in a long time that had it this noticeable.
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The reason why the digitizer could be seen is because of the no-gap display that they have made between the screen and the digitizer, allowing higher sensitivity on the screen itself (which is helpful for some people), and also reducing reflection/refraction from light source.
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The reason why the digitizer could be seen is because of the no-gap display that they have made between the screen and the digitizer, allowing higher sensitivity on the screen itself (which is helpful for some people), and also reducing reflection/refraction from light source.
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If thats they case they are doing a terrible job, the screen is very reflective.
It is supposed to reduce reflection during usage of the phone when it is turned on. Most glass panels are reflective when there's no surface lighting on it.
Not sure of they are doing a good job with that
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I've just heard the digitizer is quite prominent on the Z3. A Google search has lead me here.
Strangley, in the past I had a noticeable digitizer in sunlight on a replacement Nexus 4. It's the only phone that has had it, so it was obviously a mistake in the manufacturing somehow as I've replaced screens and had replacement Nexus 4's and 5's. It did annoy me. Yes, most of the time you wouldn't see it, but in the summer, you'll often see it and detracts from what you're looking at on the screen. Looking at a screen in sunlight is already pretty crap in that you can't see it very well. But then to have an electronic grid staring back at you is even more annoying.
This has unfortunately put me off a Z3 and it's another excuse for me to upgrade my N5 to an N6.
I also noticed this on my Nexus 5, and now I see it on the Z3 as well. It doesn't bother me when the screen is on though. Pixels look smooth for me. Perhaps you have your screen less than 50% brightness?
Really not an issue unless you plan on shining a torch on your phone screen...seriously do we worry about something which is small?
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I did not notice it, I guess you have to be actively looking for it.
Its not a big deal at all. Screen functions very well inspite of it
Adding my voice to the "It's not an issue" crowd. Seriously, the M8 also had the digitiser panel you could see if you looked under the right light.
So after a few days of use, I started noticing that I was unable to see the "People Edge" tab on the right side and while reading pages that were not exactly black in color, it looked like the 'edge' part of the phone looked as if I was looking at a TN panel sideways... So I compared this to my wife's phone and sure enough, it's a problem. On max brightness, I definitely don't get the same colors or anything of that nature, and it's significantly "bluer". Here are a few images for your viewing pleasure. I contacted the local VZW store and they said they'd exchange it once it comes back in stock (within my 14 day period).
** Note ** I did mess with all display settings and the color issue is not correctable.
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You'll see the greyish look to it on the edges.. it's driving me freaking crazy. I paid $800 for a ****ing phone so I'm being picky.
If any of you guys are having this issue and within your 14 day grace period, return it and get another.
You're wasting your time if you return it, because the new one will have the same thing. It's a limitation of the design. The only difference is that on some phones the edge "shadow" appears more green, more blue, or more pink.
My S6 Edge had it and so does my S7 Edge. You'll stop noticing it after a few weeks.
My wife's does not have this issue at all, so I don't think that's true... if the one they exchange it for has the same issue, I guess I'll eat the $35 restocking fee and never own an 'Edge' phone again :|
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My wife's does not have this issue at all, so I don't think that's true... if the one they exchange it for has the same issue, I guess I'll eat the $35 restocking fee and never own an 'Edge' phone again :|
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I have never seen an "Edge" phone without this to some degree, but chances are you'll end up with it on the exchange device. Just go look at the demos in the stores
After a few minutes of Googling I again found the official Samsung article explaining this. Took me weeks to find last year when this issue was driving me nuts..
http://www.samsung.com/za/support/skp/faq/1076253
Your device is not faulty. The colors on the curved screen may look different depending on your viewing position.
The slight green tint in colour at the edges of the Galaxy S6 Edge display that you may observe on occasion is due to a phenomenon called WAD (White Angular Dependency) which is due to the inclined curved surface of the S6 Edge screen.
For an AMOLED display, the WAD phenomenon results in the colour white sometimes appearing to have a Green tint, or on occasion a Blue or Yellow tint when viewing the AMOLED at an angle. But when viewing directly from the front or side the colour will be as expected.
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Same applies to S7 Edge.
Interesting, thank you very much. Yeah, guess it'll just be a return.
I'm very peculiar with my eyes. I can't wear glasses with my astigmatism because of the odd shapes I see so I doubt it'll just go away.
rahb0sse said:
Interesting, thank you very much. Yeah, guess it'll just be a return.
I'm very peculiar with my eyes. I can't wear glasses with my astigmatism because of the odd shapes I see so I doubt it'll just go away.
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Glad to help. I was going through exactly what you were last year. Hopefully someone will be searching for this issue and find this thread down the road.
I have astigmatism, too, if it helps. I wear toric contact lenses. Eventually I just somehow learned to ignore the edges. I had forgotten about it until you brought it up.
I found the S7 Edge page as well. Same response...
http://www.samsung.com/au/support/skp/faq/1102512
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Glad to help. I was going through exactly what you were last year. Hopefully someone will be searching for this issue and find this thread down the road.
I have astigmatism, too, if it helps. I wear toric contact lenses. Eventually I just somehow learned to ignore the edges. I had forgotten about it until you brought it up.
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Well, in that case, I'm glad I was able to help you remember while I try to forget Yeah, only way I can see properly is with contacts as well. I might try to get over this until next Wednesday and if it doesn't happen, it'll be a return.
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Well, in that case, I'm glad I was able to help you remember while I try to forget Yeah, only way I can see properly is with contacts as well. I might try to get over this until next Wednesday and if it doesn't happen, it'll be a return.
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I would encourage you to do the exchange and see if the new one is slightly better (the tints are all a bit different). Maybe it'll be less noticeable? But then again, the new one might be worse to your eyes. It's a lottery