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So I just watched a video on the Motorola Atrix, and Wow! I want those features. I'm wondering if any of the geniuses here at xda are working on, or know of a way to make the evo sync with a laptop like the Atrix does with it's netbook type device. This would be amazing. Syncing it with the tv like they do with the Atrix would also be a plus. Is this something Google is behind, or is this all motorola? either way it's pretty sweet, but I like Sprint, and not so much At&t. not interested in trading my new phone either, but man that stuff looks useful. Hope someone has some ideas, thanx.
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hurrycaine3000 said:
So I just watched a video on the Motorola Atrix, and Wow! I want those features. I'm wondering if any of the geniuses here at xda are working on, or know of a way to make the evo sync with a laptop like the Atrix does with it's netbook type device. This would be amazing. Syncing it with the tv like they do with the Atrix would also be a plus. Is this something Google is behind, or is this all motorola? either way it's pretty sweet, but I like Sprint, and not so much At&t. not interested in trading my new phone either, but man that stuff looks useful. Hope someone has some ideas, thanx.
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Nope, can't do that. There is however an app available now (it's in beta version) that allows full hdmi mirroring to a tv. You just need the app, a special kernel, and an hdmi cable. I've been using it lately, it works nicely. Search in the development section for "full hdmi out"
it would be really amazing, and worth some money to me, if one of the bright minds at xda put their mind on trying to make something like that work for the evo. it would seem that your just porting the software, but that's why i'm not cooking roms. I just don't know enough about the limitations
Last I heard it doesn't "sync" with the netbook. What it does is function like a laptop dock; the netbook takes over as the input device(s) and screen for the phone.
I could be mistaken though.
However, in the event that I'm right, all you would need is the full HDMI out to a HDMI-capable display, and a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Of course, since Sense is crappy closed-source on everything but the kernel, you can't really implement this too well. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a "webtop" mode in CM8 though...
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Last I heard it doesn't "sync" with the netbook. What it does is function like a laptop dock; the netbook takes over as the input device(s) and screen for the phone.
I could be mistaken though.
However, in the event that I'm right, all you would need is the full HDMI out to a HDMI-capable display, and a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Of course, since Sense is crappy closed-source on everything but the kernel, you can't really implement this too well. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a "webtop" mode in CM8 though...
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Nice, so in theory Gingerbread could do it? if that is the case however, the $499 retail price on that netbook looking device that the phone docks into, is pretty steep for a screen and a keyboard. guess I'll have to wait and see what comes a long in the months following.
While were on the topic of "atrixing" the Evo, why hasn't there been more monitors released with an HDMI IN feature (like a TV). I cant seem to find anything that looks compact enough to make a small lapdock without looking ghettofied.
norkoastal said:
While were on the topic of "atrixing" the Evo, why hasn't there been more monitors released with an HDMI IN feature (like a TV). I cant seem to find anything that looks compact enough to make a small lapdock without looking ghettofied.
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http://www.newegg.com/
Your argument is invalid.
--Swyped from my EVO
First let me say the Atrix is cool, and it's awesome to see a new cool design like this. BUT, the dock is basically a monitor, a keyboard, and a battery. It adds nothing to the computing power of the phone, and at $500 you could have netbook or a tablet that's more capable. That being said,i still think it's pretty damn cool.
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To those that said it can't be done, wrong, try again. Updated hardware aside, ALL Snapdragon based devices with a usb port can do what the Atrix does from a hardware standpoint, ALL OF THEM. Here's why, the Snapdragon family has usb host built into design.
Here's what's missing:
1. USB host (software)
2. Standard USB device drivers (they do exist)
3. Full UI out via USB to DVI adapter for device without A/V out ports (hmm, software)
4. For devices with A/V out ports, a cable and, let me guess, software
5. Lastly, a KB/mouse, USB hub and a screen or combine the three and you have the Atrix lapdock
The core tech is available, has been for close to 10 years now.
Guys the "laptop dock" is actually a full blown netbook that is software crippled. The only thing it uses the phone for is the internet connection and file storage.
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Guys the "laptop dock" is actually a full blown netbook that is software crippled. The only thing it uses the phone for is the internet connection and file storage.
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That's incorrect the "laptop dock" its just a shell housing a screen, keyboard, trackpad, and a battery. Its powered by the phones hardware, and a hidden linux os that is built into the phone.
Would be cool to have something similar on the Evo. But I wouldnt pay $500 for a dock that's insane. 0.o
Cole28 said:
That's incorrect the "laptop dock" its just a shell housing a screen, keyboard, trackpad, and a battery. Its powered by the phones hardware, and a hidden linux os that is built into the phone.
Would be cool to have something similar on the Evo. But I wouldnt pay $500 for a dock that's insane. 0.o
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I think it's stupid. Just buy a dual core netbook for $325, use dropbox, and tether your phone to it. Same thing. Plus you don't have to deal with Moto's bum ass Linux build.
What I'm waiting for is a dock/sync that scales Android/iOS/WebOS/WP7 to a desktop OS. WebOS and maybe WP7/Windows8 look like the most likely to get it right the soonest.
Hey Guys,
I have had this idea for a while and just got around to making some concept renders of a tablet that the EVO would dock into.
This 10.1" tablet would work only when the EVO is docked in it (a la Atrix 4G). The tablet would utilize the camera, headphone jack and processor of the EVO 4G, while using the mini HDMI and USB ports to transmit data and images. There is an internal battery, front facing camera, volume rocker, mini HDMI, and mini USB port on the tablet to make using the device easier.
Advantages of a tablet dock:
-Less expensive (after phone is purchased) than a standalone tablet
-Real integration of phone and tablet (contacts, pictures, apps etc)
-Keeping bulk to one side reduces the torque on the wrist and makes the tablet seem lighter
-Using existing phone to power the tablet reduces the amount of internal components, reducing the thickness of the majority of the tablet
-Uses phone service instead of a separate data plan
Disadvantages:
-Dependant on phone specs (CPU, WiMAX, etc)
-Not compatible with other phones (although I think Google should standardize phone connections and locations)
I would love feedback and suggestions, and keep in mind this is a first gen concept. I will be updating this based on what people have to think.
I have created a sliding dock for my phone which holds the phone firmly in place and connects HDMI and USB in a sliding case (Sedio Innocase with HTC Media Dock modified to fit). This will be used in the prototype tablet.
Enjoy!
Edit: Here's the Atrix 4G dock, as mentioned above:
http://www.cellphonenews.com/wp-content/uploads/cc003c27Laptop-Dock.jpg
And here are multi-touch screen overlays, which I believe work over USB
http://www.22miles.com/hardware/multi-touch-hardware
edited renders to change orientation of the phone.
Added images of dock prototype
wow, this looks ridiculously amazing!!
Holy crap! I was literally imagining something exactly like this last week. Awesome work!
Can I has now? Please!!!!
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So what exactly do you do with this concept? Sell it to a manufacturer?
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So what exactly do you do with this concept? Sell it to a manufacturer?
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I emailed it to HTC and Google but there are a lot of gaps still obviously.
I have no desire to make money off of this, just to get something like this in the market. Maybe a job would be nice haha
The only problem I see would be running honeycomb only when docked unless we plan on always running honeycomb
ellis125 said:
The only problem I see would be running honeycomb only when docked unless we plan on always running honeycomb
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haha thats just me being hopeful. It could run gingerbread or icecream
I'd buy this.
Another cool thing about it, it could run off of the Evo's service. You wouldnt have to get an extra plan to use it.
I'm not sure what the Atrix is, but were you thinking something like the phone in that motorola commercial where the guy is in custody at the airport, and trying to tell the cop that its a phone, AND a computer?
Now, if we can just get the batt issue fixed on our lovely evos; I'm wondering whats needed to power the lcd?
davilu said:
Now, if we can just get the batt issue fixed on our lovely evos; I'm wondering whats needed to power the lcd?
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could have its own battery right?
jasongthang said:
I'd buy this.
Another cool thing about it, it could run off of the Evo's service. You wouldnt have to get an extra plan to use it.
I'm not sure what the Atrix is, but were you thinking something like the phone in that motorola commercial where the guy is in custody at the airport, and trying to tell the cop that its a phone, AND a computer?
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Yeah it would just be an extension of the phone, service and all. The atrix is that phone you mentioned with the laptop dock, but they use a custom linux operating system that boots when the phone is "docked". This could either just mirror the existing OS or could load honeycomb or some other operating system.
This is awesome and all. But again, how will touch inputs work? Has anyone attempted to get clone the screen, via HDMI, to a touchscreen panel and have it work both ways on inputs?
That all happens at the hardware level, PCB, etc., etc.
This is an excellent concept but unless the phone is built with being able to use an EXTERNAL touchscreen it's not going to work.
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could have its own battery right?
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yeah exactly, just like the Atrix laptop dock.
There's definately room there for three flat batteries between the screen and the and case. If the can fit batteries in the Galaxy Tab 10.1 or the IPad 2, they can do it here.
Thank for all of the responses, I guess I'll have to make some new renders soon with the phone and different angles to keep up the interest
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This is awesome and all. But again, how will touch inputs work? Has anyone attempted to get clone the screen, via HDMI, to a touchscreen panel and have it work both ways on inputs?
That all happens at the hardware level, PCB, etc., etc.
This is an excellent concept but unless the phone is built with being able to use an EXTERNAL touchscreen it's not going to work.
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that's the hardest part about this, and you're entirely right. We need some way of essentially splicing into the EVO 4G's digitizer and pretending that the tablet's touchscreen is the same. That, or we can emulate touch as a mouse (which is enabled on custom ROMS) and send signals via bluetooth, which would be very laggy and battery intensive.
I know that you can buy touch screen overlays for netbooks that enable touch over USB, so there is hope! Unfortunately, these usually are single touch and not very accurate, and they are another layer that needs to be applied to the screen.
I think that if HTC or any large company were to create a tablet like this, they would be able to integrate a solution with a phone the way the Atrix works. Hopefully this becomes a trend!
Sweet idea. I'd love to have this set up. I hope HTC likes it.
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a tab that makes calls??????!!!!!!!
where do I buy one? don't give me prices, take mah munny and gimme!
This looks really neat, and with recent HDMI developments almost possible.
Its amazing. If htc is not interested maybe some chinese manufacturer could help. It is really a good idea.
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so I'm thinking about getting a laptop dock or Android tablet, like a xoom, a500, or galaxy 10.1. Which should I get?
DiamondJay20 said:
so I'm thinking about getting a laptop dock or Android tablet, like a xoom, a500, or galaxy 10.1. Which should I get?
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Tablet! Not even a question.
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Lapdock! Not even a question. But i have one: are you a linux guy? If so, the lapdock is for you. Fan of the ipad? Maybe lapdock then but with the work being done right now to improve webtop, i love it. With gnome or gentoo the skys the limit.
This is made with the assumption that you buy the 200 dollars for refurbished
see thing is I wanna try to minimize how much I spend, but I don't want a piece of junk. The only reason I'm thinking of the laptop dock is that its cheaper than tablets. I think I'm just gonna get a wifi tablet. But is the laptop dock anywhere as fast as a Xoom, a Galaxy 10.1? What is the weight of the laptop dock vs. other android tablets? Thats a big factor, as is general portability.
depends...
If you're looking for cheap, you can definitely get the laptop dock for far cheaper, unless you're looking for a viewpad (i think it's the name) which is also a tegra 2 tablet, but a terrible screen.
Weight is pretty similar I think standalone, but definitely larger with the phone docked.
Speed compared to the xoom or other similar tablets? Unless someone comes along and figures out some way to optimize the laptop dock a bunch, no. But! I'm staying optimistic on this one, since it may be slowed down by the AWN window manager. I personally think (with the power of hindsight) that getting a xoom/galaxy tab may have been a better choice in the long run, but the laptop dock is quite nice for day to day activities, and the modifications the devs have done on the webtop are simply outstanding, and allow for many more opportunities than that of the honeycomb tablets of today.
Transformer
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Ok I got home to my lapdock to write this. I urge you to buy the lapdock for several reasons.
I have never needed to plug the phone in to a charger since I got the dock a month ago. I have never had the battery die since then either. The battery life is superb with the dock, both charging and using the dock full brightness it will last 8 hours. To sum things up, with an easy tethering hack, an extremely easy mechanism to block all ads, and motobloat removed, all of which is easily accomplished using Gingerblur, I am working on a hack to make it into a portable HDMI display, I can use an app like meebo in the background on the phone while working and the integration is flawless and golden, such as having a keyboard and window manager. Using ad blocking, which kills all unnecessary flash ads and crap, flash really flies along as well as browsing: I have made webtop faster, with many more tabs open and quicker than ever before. It's a great platform for viewing HD flash videos, the patches for flash have made it a really capable performer, and it's 1366x768 resolution screen is better than any of the tablets, especially what you can get with the transformer or a ****ty wifi tablet. With the easy tethering hack you can use your unlimited plan like crazy with this thing safely. Its super lightweight, more durable than a tablet, can run linux full easily with keyboard and mouse, is as fast as tab....etc etc!!!!
By the way the 200 dollar refurb is the bomb, its like new
Where did you find this 200 dollar refurb?
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dantes5823 said:
Where did you find this 200 dollar refurb?
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AT&T sells them for 175 before tax with free shipping.
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Do you have to switch to the tethering plan to buy the refurbs from AT&T?
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Hell no, just some $$$ for the dock no contract changes READ WHAT I WROTE I STILL HAVE UNLIMITED AND TETHER ALL THE TIME, lapdock super safe for 3g browsing
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Ok I got home to my lapdock to write this. I urge you to buy the lapdock for several reasons.
I have never needed to plug the phone in to a charger since I got the dock a month ago. I have never had the battery die since then either. The battery life is superb with the dock, both charging and using the dock full brightness it will last 8 hours. To sum things up, with an easy tethering hack, an extremely easy mechanism to block all ads, and motobloat removed, all of which is easily accomplished using Gingerblur, I am working on a hack to make it into a portable HDMI display, I can use an app like meebo in the background on the phone while working and the integration is flawless and golden, such as having a keyboard and window manager. Using ad blocking, which kills all unnecessary flash ads and crap, flash really flies along as well as browsing: I have made webtop faster, with many more tabs open and quicker than ever before. It's a great platform for viewing HD flash videos, the patches for flash have made it a really capable performer, and it's 1366x768 resolution screen is better than any of the tablets, especially what you can get with the transformer or a ****ty wifi tablet. With the easy tethering hack you can use your unlimited plan like crazy with this thing safely. Its super lightweight, more durable than a tablet, can run linux full easily with keyboard and mouse, is as fast as tab....etc etc!!!!
By the way the 200 dollar refurb is the bomb, its like new
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sounds pretty nice, looking forward to see how this pans out.
My question is about the possibility to mirror android interface thru HDMI or Lapdock kit instead of starting up linux.
As the stock lapdock, the linux is only for web browsing in most of time. If the android interface mirrored to large screen or lapdock kit, we could use android apps through big screen. With the lapdock, we could also use atrix as a tablet w/ BT keyboard, beside it is not a touchscreen.
In light of the quasi-firesale on lapdocks from at&t, I am going to bump this thread.
I know that it is confirmed that the lapdock works as an HDMI monitor, but can anyone confirm whether or not the keyboard/mouse/usb ports work with the phone when it is not set in webtop mode?
For example, would an atrix running CM7 or another rom which lacks webtop support be able to mirror its display (yes, only in portrait mode, for now) and use the USB keyboard mouse?
Thanks!
The Atrix can already portrait mirror on the laptop dock, although the mouse is a but wonky.
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Thanks -- that answers my question.
So essentially, working landscape mirroring + linux chroot + VNC = just about the same as Webtop w/full linux.
...the deal gets more and more tempting...
ian426 said:
Thanks -- that answers my question.
So essentially, working landscape mirroring + linux chroot + VNC = just about the same as Webtop w/full linux.
...the deal gets more and more tempting...
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Just a heads up... if you haven't purchased it already, the price for the laptop dock is now @ $99, the $50 price is no more..
Ah, blast.... well, that might be good in the long run. Saved me $50 for what really would have just been a toy...
ian426 said:
Ah, blast.... well, that might be good in the long run. Saved me $50 for what really would have just been a toy...
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I find it much more than a toy. I prefer to carry it around vs. my netbook for several reasons. Bigger battery, bigger screen , instant on for the main part. Mine is heavily hacked, so I can VPN/RDE into the office and/or do a considerable amount of work locally. It is far more than just a browser.
The "landscape mode" is a bit of a misnomer. There is a Linux application that emulates the phone and has all your 'droid applications. When not maximized, you can have it either landscape or portrait, but when maximized (such that the entire screen is droid) it has to be landscape mode else most of the screen is blank. I never use this mode anyway; I somewhat enlarge the standard phone image and that is plenty.
My only real gripes (in case Moto is listening) is that the keyboard should have an extra row (there is plenty of room) and the touchpad needs a scroll region (at least).
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Ah, blast.... well, that might be good in the long run. Saved me $50 for what really would have just been a toy...
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Actually, my order is 'back-ordered' and rep said to a tune of 1K+ of orders are back-ordered... doh! I still think it's cheap for $99, even a refurb for $75 is good... but yeah, you can't beat $50..
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My question is about the possibility to mirror android interface thru HDMI or Lapdock kit instead of starting up linux
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Linux is actually always running on your phone, wether you are using the lapdock or not. Android uses the Linux kernel, and the webtop environment is just some additional native linux apps that run under the same kernel that the Dalvik Virtual Machine is running under.
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Just a heads up... if you haven't purchased it already, the price for the laptop dock is now @ $99, the $50 price is no more..
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w00t i made it, although I still think they haven't shipped mine
Hello
Just wanted to let you all know that although my Atrix is no longer in use, I have the lapdock lying around.
It is a good piece of hardware and I have been toying with finding a way to embed the actual atrix itself inside the lapdock. However, the real problem there is that there is no use for doing that since the Atrix's native dock functions suck!!! I also considered and toyed with the Raspberry, but its not meant for that.
However I have come across this puppy: FXI Tech Cotton Candy
and my plan is to embed it inside my Lapdock and create something actually useful with that hardware.
The FXI Cotton Candy officially supports GB, ICS and now Ubuntu 12.
For anyone who doesn't know what it is:
"FXI Tech Cotton Candy packs more power in a tiny space. It has a dual-core ARM Cortex A9 as its processor and the quad-core ARM Mali-400MP for graphics. Connectivity options include Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR and WiFi 802.11 b/g/n. On both ends are USB 2.0 and HDMI out connectors and there’s one micro USB 2.0 connector on the side. It has 1GB RAM and a microSD slot for up to 64GB of expandable storage."
Given its size, it easily fits disassembled into the dock connector that rotates on the actual lapdock.
Does this sort of thing interest anyone?
I'll keep you guys posted as my adventures with that continue.
Sounds interesting and would love to see this kind of thing work.
Good look man hope it works for ya
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Did you pre-order one?
If not, the likelyhood of you getting one this year is almost zero. They have stopped pre-orders as they have filled up on those, and currently have nobody to do mass production for them. Since this is their situation and they have to find someone to build these units, you most likely won't see any this year, as it takes time to complete all the necessary steps to put a product into production. Your best bet may be one of these to test out your idea:
http://www.mobilenapps.com/articles/2246/20120518/74-mk802-versus-200-fxi-cotton-candy.htm
If you can't get hold of one maybe look into the MK802 PC, you might find that easier to add onto the lapdock too looks like it already has a hdmi and a usb so i think you may just have to buy some extra wires and hook it all up. And it's only $74
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/18/mk802-beats-cotton-candy-to-market/
Should work perfectly fine... people have shown that you can connect a PS3 to the lapdock. Only question is: will a regular ICS or Ubuntu 12 have the lapdock drivers..
thantos said:
Should work perfectly fine... people have shown that you can connect a PS3 to the lapdock. Only question is: will a regular ICS or Ubuntu 12 have the lapdock drivers..
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I think that their generic... The fact that CM7 doesn't have any of Motos lapdock drivers yet you can use the keyboard and mouse proves it...
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If you can't get hold of one maybe look into the MK802 PC, you might find that easier to add onto the lapdock too looks like it already has a hdmi and a usb so i think you may just have to buy some extra wires and hook it all up. And it's only $74
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/18/mk802-beats-cotton-candy-to-market/
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Did you bother to read what I posted in the post before yours? I posted a link for the MK802 already!
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I will be watching this thread. I have an extra lapdock and would love to put a ics stick in it. Very nice idea.
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I will take an attempt at this, I also got some friends that are linux devs. The only thing I need lol is cash... So if anyone has a Hard-Bricked Atrix pls PM me! I could use 3-4 of them donated to fund for this. (I know people who will buy them) If I can get 3 then I can buy everything I need...
You and Alaq have made me **** bricks. I normally figure stuff like this out early on. It's not until now that I've realized that connecting usb and hdmi ports will make the lapdock a sologig. A real upgradeable laptop, how about that?! It would be nothing to find screens of a similar size to replace them in any lapdock model if you wanted to do so. Still ****ting bricks.
srkelley said:
You and Alaq have made me **** bricks. I normally figure stuff like this out early on. It's not until now that I've realized that connecting usb and hdmi ports will make the lapdock a sologig. A real upgradeable laptop, how about that?! It would be nothing to find screens of a similar size to replace them in any lapdock model if you wanted to do so. Still ****ting bricks.
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I knew about it's potential ever since I saw that ps3 video (Either last year or the beginning of this year...), but it wasn't till this month that people started releasing PCs on a stick... But yea it would be amazing for school to have a razr thin laptop that runs smoothly and has 8 hour battery life (probably more because it's no longer charging the phone), and that's why I decided to start on the project (In my sig), I'll release everything when I'm through with it.. I'll have to record everything that I do to the lapdock for you guys...
This one looks really interesting.....in technical side.
But it is not efficient if you compare the price with typical windows netbook
199$ + lapdock price is more expensive than netbook.
AndroidON said:
This one looks really interesting.....in technical side.
But it is not efficient if you compare the price with typical windows netbook
199$ + lapdock price is more expensive than netbook.
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Click the link in my sig, I'm trying this using the A10... And hopefully when I'm done with it I should be able to minimize costs...
Plus where would be the fun if you just buy it... Were gonna mod this to our desires xD
Once you get it sorted, could you make a video showing the performance? I love the idea and have been considering making a sort of 'dummy phone' like box to house a raspberry pi but this little a10 stick computer looks like it could be a better option. For me, it would have to run linux as android on a laptop is just wrong as far as I am concerned It looks good, but would not be worth it unless it is faster than webtop imho.
Thanks for being the Guinea Pig!
It can be interested they are publish source code at https://github.com/FXITech