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just sold my ipad 32gb for a clean $500, perfect timing since we are going to be saturated with android tablets/ipad2.
how many of you interested in this massively powered xoom tablet?
im instantly getting it..well...that is is 3g/4g is offered and wifi. more specifically if its pay as you go on the 3g/4g, but i really dont care as long as i have wifi.
i just love how great the nexus s (or any upscale android phone) syncs with the xoom. its terrific
your thoughts?
WORLD DOMINATION?? NOOO!!
I am interested in Honeycomb, but not so much in tablets. So I guess I just have to wait untill Honecomb comes to the Nexus S.
It depends on the price. I'm thinking it's going to be 600+ easily.
That said, I'm still not that impressed with Honeycomb, and I don't want to be an early adopter. Google has shown me time and time again, they're concerned first with releasing as fast as they can, and then fixing it later. I want to know more developers are on board before I invest that kind of cash.
I'm pretty set on the iPad 2, unless they don't add any new exciting stuff. I enjoy the "boring" OS and ever since I've switched from iPhone to Nexus S, I still have an iOS craving which will be satisfied with an iPad. I want netflix on my tablet too.
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It depends on the price. I'm thinking it's going to be 600+ easily.
That said, I'm still not that impressed with Honeycomb, and I don't want to be an early adopter. Google has shown me time and time again, they're concerned first with releasing as fast as they can, and then fixing it later. I want to know more developers are on board before I invest that kind of cash.
I'm pretty set on the iPad 2, unless they don't add any new exciting stuff. I enjoy the "boring" OS and ever since I've switched from iPhone to Nexus S, I still have an iOS craving which will be satisfied with an iPad. I want netflix on my tablet too.
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I personally would love to have a tablet. I can't financially justify it, nor do I have a need for a computer that isn't satisfied by my phone of or my laptop (Though I could use a desktop computer), but as a gadget whore I'm drawn to the idea of a new and shiny gadget.
That said, the Android fanboy in my loves the Xoom. I thought the honeycomb demo yesterday was awesome and I want so badly to own one but you make a great point meetagrawal; even now I'm watching Netflix. Once Football season is over, I'm even considering dropping my cable and living off of Netflix so if that were the case, having more access to my queue would be great, especially on the go. In a few months I'll be moving and I'll be the one driving for the 24+ hours its going to take us to get to Arizona since my wife has night-blindness and gets panic attacks when driving in adverse conditions. It would be awesome to be able to hear some good movies or television shows during that trek.
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just sold my ipad 32gb for a clean $500, perfect timing since we are going to be saturated with android tablets/ipad2.
how many of you interested in this massively powered xoom tablet?
im instantly getting it..well...that is is 3g/4g is offered and wifi. more specifically if its pay as you go on the 3g/4g, but i really dont care as long as i have wifi.
i just love how great the nexus s (or any upscale android phone) syncs with the xoom. its terrific
your thoughts?
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I've already said this in other threads, but I am getting a xoom as soon as they are available (in the uk anyway). I always like to get android devices where the os was made for it first (assuming google controls the updates).
While you get issues (like our nexus s) it's great having the flagship android device as far as the newest os is concerned, because the great far outweighs the bad in terms of getting all the new os features. I think the nexus s with a xoom will make a great companion device. Looking forward to it all immensely.
+1 to world domination!
If I had the money (currently finding a job), I would wait to see which device gets rooted first. I know the Galaxy Tab has dev support and right now, I only know of LG's G-Slate and Motorola's Xoom are the only good tablets coming out. The Dell Streak 7 is something I wouldn't waste my money on.
I already have a macbook pro that does the job for me and really have no need for a tablet right now unless I can program on it which is basically impossible from the looks of it; unless remote desktop apps are smooth as butter, then it might change my mind.
Although, I gotta say. Swiftkey did a pretty good job on making a tablet keyboard. Makes much more sense then having one big fat keyboard.
I honestly can't find any reason to own a tablet right now.
If I had a job that would benefit from it maybe. But selling cell phones is lol.
I'm gonna be buying an Android tablet for sure but will wait until Toshiba, Sony, Asus also release their versions. I don't wanna be locked down by carrier contracts so I hope to see wifi versions of the Xoom and the G Slate.
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Xoom for $800? Yikes. Good luck with that Motorola...
Oh yeah, and at launch there won’t be a WiFi-only XOOM tablet, so you’ll have to pay full price for a model with a 3G modem even if you don’t want to use it with Verizon Wireless… and according to the Best Buy ad, you have to pay for at least one month of Verizon service to activate the WiFi functionality.
http://liliputing.com/2011/02/motor...equire-1-month-commitment-to-unlock-wifi.html
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Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
I've had the same thought, but since my GF got it for me for X-mas, I'm gonna keep using it, and give it back to her when I can afford a XOOM
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Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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I got the tab in January and so far other than gaining root haven’t done anything else with it, the mobility factor is a big plus no question about it, but then I got the xoom on launching day and now I really like them both…so if or when you do it you will appreciate the differences.
I think the Devs have nothing to do with your decision.
I really like the form factor, but performance is an issue with my tab. and with the dev community not really huge, i feel left out of so much with all of these honeycomb tegra2 tablets coming out. I just really feel that Samsung really jumped the gun with the tab. releasing it with no hopes of any real update. Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
Maybe SGT 8.9 if released with similar specs as of the xoom. and reasonably priced
The tegra processors and Honycomb make our tab look outdated already but IMO the differences are not that big unless one expects too much from a tablet; is not going to replace our laptops yet…as for sami updating my hopes are nonexistent. I was in Germany recently when a saw the tab of a friend of mine, phone working etc I turned green . My biggest beef is with the carriers here in the US that crippled the device.
tegra 2 isnt a device without their own problem
like not able to play 720p mkv movies unless it converted on a specific format
that would be a problem to some people
and is there really a lot of app that dual core ready anyway?
afaik, for normal process, only 1 core would work unless there's a need for the 2nd core?
jumping too soon on honeycomb with limited apps wouldnt make that much of a difference either
and did you say saving up? how long? ^^
if it took months, who knows we already got honeycomb or ice cream on the way on our tab?
honeycomb, i doubt, but the next generation for smartphone definitely gonna be ported to our tab IMO
my main interest in this tab is phone capability, so unless there's another contender out there, i'm still gonna keep this one
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Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
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I'm trying to see what trickery Samsung have fooled you with here?
The 7" Tab was sold as an Android 2.2 device, with no promise of a Honeycomb update, and that's what they delivered.
We may, or may not get an official upgrade, which may be Honeycomb, or perhaps Gingerbread, but the Tab is still a very capable and useful device as is IMO. I do believe that we will at least get an unofficial Honeycomb ROM once the source code drops.
None of the upcoming tablets can replace my Tab because they are too big for my purposes, though I may end up getting a bigger tablet purely for home use.
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For me its all about size, the 10s are just to big to carry around comfortably. Might as well continue to carry my Dell mini9 laptop. I dont require much from my tab maybe thats why Im happy with the 7.
Remember no matter what you buy it has a good 6 months of obsolescence built in
I think most devs wait for the honeycomb source... no one wants a broken sdk port on an expensive device...
As soon as HC hits aosp I'll contribute developing.
And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.
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And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.
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Agreed. The xoom may be "developer friendly" but it is way too expensive to mess around with.. the galaxy tab gets cheaper and cheaper and will attract more devs too over time.
Why are we comparing the Tab and the Xoom? Two totally different niches. Anyone buying a Tab should know what they are getting, and most that do are getting them for a reason. 7 inches, and a solid product with the full Android Market without having to push it onto the device.
I have three different 7 inch tablets right now (had a 4th, but the Dell Streak 7 is dismal) and the Galaxy Tab is BY FAR the best of the three. The NookColor is fun, and is running dual-boot Honeycomb (port from sdk) and froyo. It's overclocked to 1.1Ghz and is primarily used by my wife as an e-reader (which is what B&N intended), though she likes firing up Angry Birds, etc.
The Archos 70 Internet Tablet is running 2.2.1..and is slim and can handle just about ANY media thrown it's way. Archos is a leader in Media devices, having created the HDD portable Music player before anyone else (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos)...including Apple. It's hands down the best for watching movies. However it's flimsy and buggy...Archos sucks at support, truly. Plus, there's not much in the way of accessories for it. I had the 10.1 also...but sold it.
My Tab gets the most use...as I swap my phone's sim into it quite frequently. And it handles pretty much everything I want it to do. Out of the 3, theres no comparison as to my satisfaction.
If I wanted another 10" Tablet...and wanted Honeycomb right now, I STILL would not get the Xoom. I can afford it, but that doesn't mean I want to plunk down $800 on something obviously rushed out of production. Too many things wrong with this early adopter device.
Here's to hoping the incoming 8.9' Galaxy Tab has some of the kinks worked out...cuz I'm gonna pounce on it right away. 10.1" prolly not, the form factor just too large for my usage.
Whatever some people get, they will NEVER be satisfied
hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her
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Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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If you bought a tablet based on the dev community then you were wrong to do that in the first place. You buy something for what it is, not what it may be based on some random people messing around with roms.
I can't see how a 10" Xoom could possibly be a replacement for the 7" SGT. One you can carry around with you, use in your car, act as a backup phone, and the other is mostly a stay at home couch device. Personally I think the Xoom is a bit of a let down on things it should be better at - like playing high bitrate movies. SGT blows it away on that score. The SGT build and screen is also very high quality. As good as my iPad 1 (which I've not really touched since the SGT came along. Never mind how I've come to despise the Apple lock-in methodology...).
Honeycomb looks like it will be a great update when the bugs are ironed out, but Froyo (maybe Gingerbread soon) on the SGT currently makes more sense as the device really is closer to a phone than a tablet (and I'm personally happy that it is). Ice Cream Sandwich looks like it will be the natural OS upgrade for this device, as it will combine Honeycomb UI changes with smartphone functionality. Whether Samsung will release it for the SGT in the coming months is anyone's guess, but for now I'm rocking the Tab. For a couch device I'll see what the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is like (hopefully they'll find a fix for the video snafu), but none of the Tegra 2 SoC based tablets are wowing me at the moment.
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hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her
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I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.
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I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.
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Lol...not mine, she's become a gadget snob. Though she won't admit it, she's glad to be cutting edge. I see it when her girlfriends drool over the cool gadgets she totes around, lmao. We'll go get coffee, and she will look to see who noticed her pretty NookColor while she's reading and surfing the internets.
So you're selling a device because people aren't modding it? IMHO that's a ridiculous reason to sell this amazing piece of tech.
And im guessing one main reason is Honeycomb because, lets face it, its what everyone wants in a tablet. Then why not buy a Nook? You complain lack of development, the Nook Honeycomb port is better than anything they'll ever do with the Xoom.
Still, just my opinion. I'm keeping my Tab until it dies, then ill get another one.
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+1
and..truly one of these days someone WILL put out an Android device that doesn't need modding! Might be 3 years from now...with 8 core cpu & AirWave connectivity (5+TB wireless connection passed through our existing electrical cables that are strung on the poles...or passed through now vacated VHF / UHF signals...yeah, I can dream BIG!)
But you will only be able to get 3g data or 2g+ voice.
Two months ago, I was getting ready for my vacation (first one in six years) and a trip to US (Going next week). I spent several days checking forums, sites, magazines, everything that would help me choose the best tablet, and Xoom looked like the best option.
I never liked Apple and Ipad. To 'restricted' I’m my opinion. It's like a fine car that doesn't allow you to change the gear, break, accelerate or even steering. Basically the only think you can do is to insert address in the GPS and horn!
I have a Samsung galaxy S and so fat it’s the best phone I have ever had. I already had HTC, Kaiser, Blackberry, Motorola, LG, Nokia, etc and this is, by far, the best one. At first it was terrible: slow, too may Samsung bloatware, terrible battery live, but after flashing few cooked roms it transformed itself to a new device. It was Clark and now became Superman.
Back to the Tablets, when I was looking for the best tablet for me I checked other tablets as well: Samsung didn't had micro SD slot, no HDMI output and it also had almost the same weight as Xoom. Rim Tablet was too "Blackberry alike", and with an unknown OS. LG didn't have all the option as the Motorola Xoom and Ipad is… Ipad. So Xoom looked like the best option available. I decided to pre-order the Wi-Fi version to be delivered to the hotel address because I was afraid of a possible shortage. I have only one shot and I couldn`t miss it. Also this way I would be able to use it as my main computer during the trip. The Xoom is already waiting me on the hotel front desk…
….But I wish it wasn’t. In few weeks Xoom changed from the best available option to the worst option in the new Android market.
First, Motorola wasn’t able to keep up with other companies. Samsung did a major strategic movement and decided to re-design their table. Samsung created a tablet that weight just like an Ipad, and almost 30% less than the Xoom with almost the same specs as the Xoom. Samsung included a MicroSD slot, a much better screen (Super IPS) and HDMI while keeping same price as an Ipad 2. I can get the 16gb version for 100 less than the Xoom and I will still able to buy three or more 16gb MicroSD. Looking at the Samsung tablet make you feel like Motorola isn’t even trying. Bulkier, heavier an more expensive (ok 32gb is the same price, but they didn’t include a 16gb version which is cheaper if you think that you can get a 16gb MicroSD for 30 now.)
In the meantime Motorola is fighting itself: news that they will drop the production of Xoom, e-mails sent to Xda to remove .dump file, locket bootloader on the atrix and droid phones. It looks like Motorola is attacking the only thing that could save the Xoom: The community that could help support the device by making customs rom and other improvements.
In my opinion, it looks like Motorola is working hard to prevent customs Roms to the Xoom
So I keep asking myself if I should keep the Xoom, and the short answer is: No. I shouldn’t
I will be needing a tablet during my trip and I still haven`t decided if I should keep my Xoom until I can get a Samsung Tab or if I should send it back to Amazon and get a Asus Transformer. I am afraid that keeping the Xoom for too much time I won`t be able sell it in the future. I`m feeling like I am with a time bomb on my lap and if I doesn`t sell it fast enough it will blow.
And I have no doubt that it will be much easier to sell an Asus Transformer or an Acer A 500 than sell the Xoom in the near future. Hey, the transformer have a different strategy (that it can also be used as a netbook) so I may ending keeping it (but I still like Samsung Tab 10.1 best).
For now, Xoom is just better than nothing because there are no other android devices available. From April 24th (Acer A500 launch) it will face the competition of Acer. After that Asus and Samsung. The truth is that I haven`t even open the Xoom box, but I’m already with bitter taste in my mouth.
Some people talk about Xoom having the premium price. You paid more because you wanted to have the first Android device in the market ahead from everyone. OK, but would you pay this “premium price” if you knew that it would only last four weeks? That after 4 weeks you would have 4 new and better options (cheaper ones) available? Also, how much “premium price” you’ll have to pay? You already paying it in dollars, but you already paying it in the fact that the OS have bugs (like Mem space bug), that the SD card doesn’t work, that the screen is worst than every other device. How much you’ll have to pay as premium price?
Now I just need to know how can I return an unopened Xoom to Amazon and have a refund to purchase and Acer or and Asus for 200 bucks less.
It’s sad when you haven’t event received a new gadget but you already have give up on it, but it is worst when you realized that even the manufacture have already give up on the device.
isnt the galaxy tab shipping with FROYO? with Samsung's track record, I doubt it'll get honeycomb in 2011, gingerbread is a more realistic goal, maybe near christmas?
Xoom is a great tablet and I'm sorry that you've decided to return it without even using it.
This same thread has been posted too many times, and needs to be added to a forum FAQ or something. "Should I buy x if y is coming out soon?" turns into "Should I buy y if z is coming out soon?". At some point you just have to make a purchase and accept that no technology is going to be "the best" for very long
Wait, you haven't even opened the box and we get this long rant?
Use the device, let your experience guide your choices. The simple fact is that the Xoom is a powerful and beautiful slate, if you are one of us who love it out of the box.
We have root, we have overclock and regardless of the Xoom platform Honeycomb will have a strong community support even if because it is Android.
I for one am a power user and love my Xoom, it's attractive and does it's job well for my tastes.
Regardless, you need to experience the thing in your environment before you decide it isn't worth your time. Normally the hurdle would be the purchase, but you've already passed that one. Take the time to configure and play, then decide!
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isnt the galaxy tab shipping with FROYO? with Samsung's track record, I doubt it'll get honeycomb in 2011, gingerbread is a more realistic goal, maybe near christmas?
Xoom is a great tablet and I'm sorry that you've decided to return it without even using it.
This same thread has been posted too many times, and needs to be added to a forum FAQ or something. "Should I buy x if y is coming out soon?" turns into "Should I buy y if z is coming out soon?". At some point you just have to make a purchase and accept that no technology is going to be "the best" for very long
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Galaxy Tab 10 is not shipping with 2.2. Launching with 3.0.
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Galaxy Tab 10 is not shipping with 2.2. Launching with 3.0.
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my bad, must be thinking of the older one; I feel sorry for anyone who bought that oversized phone that doesnt make calls
After using honeycomb, 2.x just doesnt make sense on a tablet
edit: I cant wait for all these new tablets to come out so people can start to differentiate between problems with the xoom and problems with honeycomb.
It's amazing how you've managed to out dumb every single other post in xoom general with this ridiculous pointless rant.
You've not even opened the box and you're complaining about the xoom.
The xoom is the most unlocked device moto has ever produced, it won't ever be locked.
You have nothing to backup your claims at all. There is nothing about the new tablets coming out that will reduce your enjoyment of the xoom. If you keep worrying about the next tablet and then the next tablet you will never have a tablet, and never be happy.
The xoom is a wonderful device with a lot going for it and nothing samsung or acer does will change that for me.
Honestly its your fault for ordering something so far ahead of time, especially a device like this that had almost no chance of selling out.
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I'm sure that the description "From Heaven to Hell" seems a bit dramatic to most readers, but if thats the way you feel, you will probably never be happy with the Xoom even after the upgrades & updates.
The more I read the more I realize the Xoom really is only going to one of the best tablets after it's hacked, overclocked and running a high quality custom ROM. This is the way I always intended to use the Xoom, though I am learning that I really am in the minority of users. Those consumers having no intention of hacking the tablet are likely to be disappointed when comparing it to a more "finished" product.
I add my experience to this post only to help illustrate the importance of considering the intended use of the product by the individual giving his opinion of it. Critics of users who are dissatisfied with the Xoom seem to overlook that relevance and chastise them unjustly. Inevitably, every thread that includes negative opinions of the Xoom turns to **** as a polarized pissing contest ensues.
The ironic good part of this usual course of behavior is that waiting for these updates will give everyone a chance to get this crap out of their system so that by that time we can get busy talking about nothing but development, improvements and ROMs. Won't THAT be great?!
Sorry if you think that what I wrote is 'ridiculous pointless rant', but what a wrote is just what I am feeling so I am probably feeling ridiculous pointless right now.
About pre-ordering, yes it was a bad call. But I was in the US last thanksgiving and I spent two weeks trying to get a Xbox Kinect with no luck. I just didn`t want that to happened again. I also pre order a 3DS in the same way as the Xoom.
I agree that there is nothing from the new tables that would keep me from enjoying the Xoom, but that's not so simple. It's human nature to search for the best, and have the best. So I can say that except for some users that actually try several devices in order to choose the right one, most of the consumers will just choose the ones that looks the best. And between too devices, one 30% lighter and with the same specs, most of the users will go for the lighter even without testing.
I know that I am responsible for what happened but I think that what you should realize is that this will be the most typical scenario for the Xoom in the next weeks. Do you think that most of the consumers will act as XDA user and will do their homework (even then some XDA users will return theirs Xoom) or they will make their decisions like I did, in an impulse purchase?
Just look how many people stood on the line to purchase an Ipad 2 in the first day. None of these people were able to fully try Ipad before buying it. They just went for the one that looked the best.
And so this will probably happens with Android devices too. Most of people will go for the one with better specs or, in a secondary decision path, for the cheaper one. Very few people will go for the `right one for me`.
I just don't think that Motorola will hold on the Xoom if they start getting low sales numbers and high return rates. Motorola hasn't show that it will support Xoom if it fails in sale, and that's, combined to a POSSIBLE decision to prevent custom rooms (like they did in some Droid and Atrix phones) will turn out to be doom fall to Xoom users.
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I'm sure that the description "From Heaven to Hell" seems a bit dramatic to most readers, but if thats the way you feel, you will probably never be happy with the Xoom even after the upgrades & updates.
The more I read the more I realize the Xoom really is only going to one of the best tablets after it's hacked, overclocked and running a high quality custom ROM. This is the way I always intended to use the Xoom, though I am learning that I really am in the minority of users. Those consumers having no intention of hacking the tablet are likely to be disappointed when comparing it to a more "finished" product.
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I agree with the fact that Xoom will be a much better device after hacked and with custom Rom. I just don`t know if that will happen. Just look at the Atrix forum and the petition to have an unlocked bootloader. If I`m wrong please let me know but we are not sure, at this time, that there will be custom roms avaiable to the Xoom.
If I may throw my 2 cents into the can...
Yes, it looks like cheaper, and slimmer or lighter tablets are coming around the corner. Acer and Asus have it right in the price. Samsung built a thinner mouse trap, if you will, with redesigning the 8.9 and 10.1 Tabs.
Here's why the Xoom is my pick to date: Stock Android Device. Yes, all these tablets will have Honeycomb, but the OEM's are placing UI's on top. Granted, They don't appear to be too obtrusive to the Honeycomb experience (thank you Samsung for figuring that out) it will still be an issue when updates are released. I learned my lesson on the phone side and bought the Nexus S, and am so, so glad I did. Now, I don't want to get into a discussion of who the updates will be coming from, but it's obvious that a stock operating system will get the updates much, much faster than any devices with custom UI's. Samsung will have one, Asus will have one, hell HTC wants to put frigging Sense on their tablets. Yes people, you HTC tablet owners will get to stare at that stupid clock widget all day long on a bigger screen.
Look, I understand that the Xoom is way too expensive, I look at my Best Buy account and cringe, but I'm glad I pulled the trigger and bout the Xoom. It may not be a "Nexus" device per say, but for the joy of having the "pure Google experience" I'm all about the Xoom.
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I agree with the fact that Xoom will be a much better device after hacked and with custom Rom. I just don`t know if that will happen. Just look at the Atrix forum and the petition to have an unlocked bootloader. If I`m wrong please let me know but we are not sure, at this time, that there will be custom roms avaiable to the Xoom.
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the only thing stopping the development of custom roms right now is the lack of HC source code, so if the xoom never gets custom roms then no 3.x device will
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If I may throw my 2 cents into the can...
Yes, it looks like cheaper, and slimmer or lighter tablets are coming around the corner. Acer and Asus have it right in the price. Samsung built a thinner mouse trap, if you will, with redesigning the 8.9 and 10.1 Tabs.
Here's why the Xoom is my pick to date: Stock Android Device. Yes, all these tablets will have Honeycomb, but the OEM's are placing UI's on top. Granted, They don't appear to be too obtrusive to the Honeycomb experience (thank you Samsung for figuring that out) it will still be an issue when updates are released. I learned my lesson on the phone side and bought the Nexus S, and am so, so glad I did. Now, I don't want to get into a discussion of who the updates will be coming from, but it's obvious that a stock operating system will get the updates much, much faster than any devices with custom UI's. Samsung will have one, Asus will have one, hell HTC wants to put frigging Sense on their tablets. Yes people, you HTC tablet owners will get to stare at that stupid clock widget all day long on a bigger screen.
Look, I understand that the Xoom is way too expensive, I look at my Best Buy account and cringe, but I'm glad I pulled the trigger and bout the Xoom. It may not be a "Nexus" device per say, but for the joy of having the "pure Google experience" I'm all about the Xoom.
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I agree with most everything you said however, where is the microSD card support on Xoom? These new tablets are releasing with functional slots. For a flagship device for Honeycomb, I am a bit disappointed. I have had my Xoom since day 1 and being as patient as possible with this but seeing other honeycomb tablets release with microSD support is a slap in the face.
dandearebr,
notice this...
regarding development of android device you must have development device, until now the development device supported by google are : G1 (legacy, not supported anymore), Nexus One, Nexus S and Motorola Xoom... the last three have unlock bootoloader officially, not by doing a hack, G1 Dev are coming unlocked from the first day of release (except G1 T Mob)..
so now, are you sure the next coming HC tablets have official unlock bootloader? "fastboot oem unlock"
Droid, Desire, Xperia etc, they are not development device, so is Atrix and others..the only way to put custom android to that product is hacking the bootloader..
Atrix have a good bootloader lock, afaik until now, no one have succes unlock milestone bootloader..so atrix will do the same..
now, one million dollars question for u, are u sure u want to buy next tablet that we dont know about their bootloader? u love custom rom right?
Dear Dandearebr
You will never get "perfect" tablet because there is no definition of such. There are expectations that are constantly changing, also they are very personal and subjective.
Your opinion is based on reviews and vocal complainers baseless in most of cases.
Xoom is very solid tablet capable of replacing of laptop. I am sure that it will get updates and will be useful for a least a year, year and a half. Then it will be a picture frame.
BTW, it has amazingly powerful sound. Listening online radio is very enjoyable.
My opinion is based on experience using Android since 2009, starting with HTC G1, then MyTouch, Galaxy S, Samsung Galaxy Tab 7". Xoom is a different animal because of Honeycomb and it is a big step forward.
Personally I prefer 7" tab with phone capability and pocketable size.
Classic buyer's remorse. We've all been there. My suggestion is to follow through and return it. You will never likely be happy with it, regardless of how well it functions for you.
Happily typing from my unlocked, rooted, overclocked Xoom.
Please return it so that real users don't have to clean up after you and kiss your boo-boos. Sheesh, you don't need a Xoom, you need a mom!
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So have you actually used the device?
God, return it.
Then when the XYZ tablet you want comes out you will go cry to those forums that ZYS v2.0 tablet is coming out.
I don't get why a lot of you are getting all defensive and starts attacking a fellow member, just because he's having a much better look at the future than us early adopters. I mean, be honest guys! A lot of us here are all wishful thinking about the opposite of what the OP has said! Yeah, we all might be happy for now, as the Motorola Xoom is the only tablet available that's actually competing with iPadLock2. But a few days, weeks from now, with all these tablets coming out and (hopefully not) the chance of Xoom reaching it's end of life/production. Along with threats of locked bootloader and a chance of not getting any update support from Motorola (FACT: XOOM is NOT the developer TAB from Google), we might just end up flooding this forum with threads just like the OP's.. Let's face it, no one knows about Xoom's future.. Heck I don't even know if Jha even knows the Xooms future at this point.. But the fact that Xoom's sale wasn't really that good, due to motorola's marketing strategy and price, with the iPad 2's overwhelming, and the upcoming flooding of Honeycomb tablets with better specs and/or pricing, our Xoom tablet could very well just end up as a very expensive paperweight.. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with my Xoom! It meets my daily needs but the fact that it hasn't yet reached it's full potential due to Honeycomb's infancy, the FC's and limited apps worries me. I mean, we all know how these companies are.. If their product doesn't sell, they stop the production and support/updates. Add to that the threat on the XDA community regarding the Dump files and chances of the Bootloader getting locked, helps me understand the OP's sentiments/rants.. Let's face it, this is not the Developer's TAB like what we all hoped it would be when we bought it. Without the support from Motorola and the XDA community, this product we're defending would actually just end up like what the OP has said on the title of this thread. So let's just get along and stop bashing the OP just because he still has a chance to change his mind. Me, I would advice the OP to just return/sell the Xoom and wait for a few the upcoming tablets before it's too late. Because if he does, he would have a much better look at the future of the Xoom. Who knows, he might even see Motorola getting crazy coming up with a 16GB version, with better pricing and unlocked bootloader! Now that would be a win/win situation for the OP and us early adopters!! My fingers are crossed..........
Perfect! There really is no more to debate on this, and just no reason to bash the OP. Nobody knows anything for sure yet. I'm in it for the long haul, but only because I intend to be an end user of custom ROMs. I WILL be disappointed with how much I spent on the Xoom if that doesn't ever happen.
I don't understand, it feels like.I'm missing something. What's the major drawback?
The specs are fantastic for the money, but why is it so cheap? How are Google making a profit?
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Competing with the Kindle Fire that's why. Don't worry about Google making money, they always do.
Google is just too good.
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Competing with the Kindle Fire that's why. Don't worry about Google making money, they always do.
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exactly. its priced to sell and that's a good thing. now others will have to model this. you get a 1280x800 Tegra3 tablet for only $199-249. you can't beat that. this will surely eat up kindle fire sales and put a dent in Ipad sales also. This is Google's attempt at going more mainstream. This may be the beginning of Android takeover in tablet sector.
I think they're trying to expand the market for android tabs to compete with the ipad's market share by offering a good, low cost alternative. That's what got me. I'd been looking for a tab for a while and couldn't justify the cost.
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I don't understand, it feels like.I'm missing something. What's the major drawback?
The specs are fantastic for the money, but why is it so cheap? How are Google making a profit?
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should worry about asus making money, the more tablet that sells, the more money google makes from ads and app sales..i highly doubt this was subsidized tho..manufacturing cost is probably under $150
What about other android tablet manufacturers, e.g. Samsung ? Do you guys think this will hurt their profit and make them leave android? Not that I think they are not overpricing their tablets.
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What about other android tablet manufacturers, e.g. Samsung ? Do you guys think this will hurt their profit and make them leave android? Not that I think they are not overpricing their tablets.
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It hurts at least a bit as I took a galaxy tab 2 back to Costco tonight and preordered the nexus 7
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What about other android tablet manufacturers, e.g. Samsung ? Do you guys think this will hurt their profit and make them leave android? Not that I think they are not overpricing their tablets.
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Sure it will hurt their profits, I'm sure a lower priced competitor entering the market worries them. Especially when the competitor is essentially the creator of the OS that their tabs are running. Let alone the fact that the Nexus 7 has JB when the other brands may be bragging about ICS. Will they leave the market? Who knows. The competition has two choices, leave or compete. But to compete they will have to lower their prices or to justify higher prices, or they will have to offer a substantially better product. All the while competing with the author of the OS.
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What about other android tablet manufacturers, e.g. Samsung ? Do you guys think this will hurt their profit and make them leave android? Not that I think they are not overpricing their tablets.
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I was kind of thinking the same. Everyone is calling it competition to the Kindle Fire but I see it just as much competition to tablets like the Galaxy Tab 2 7in. Maybe it's just me?
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I don't understand, it feels like.I'm missing something. What's the major drawback?
The specs are fantastic for the money, but why is it so cheap? How are Google making a profit?
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Think about what they are selling. Yes, they are selling the device but the real profits come from content(ads included)
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Man, are you worried about saving money?
Nvidia Kai's platform is why this is so cheap
http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatsp...orm-makes-low-cost-android-tablets-a-reality/
Google isn't currently looking for a big profit with the tablet. It probably costs between 150 and 190 bucks to make the tablet. But their main purpose create a base for Google so that they can grow the Google Play store to be able to compete with amazon and possibly apple.
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im sure the tablet costs under 200 bucks, so google is making a few bucks off of it. A teardown should give us a estimated price, plus the more they make, the less the tablet costs no? lol
so im guessing around 50+- a few bucks
I am a little confused about this so mentioned competition between Samsung and google, When I think nexus is made by Samsung as well.
Am I wrong?
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The reason the Nexus 7 is so cheap is to ensure its sales success and popularity. Android tablets have not sold well at all, period. I'm an Android fan myself and every time a tantalizing new Android tablet comes out I just think "but do I really want to spend $500?". As much as I don't like Apple, the iPad has dominated the expensive tablet game. Dominated. The vast majority of consumers see no reason to buy an expensive Android tablet. The reason the iPad does well is because consumers pretty much know (based on popularity) that they will enjoy an iPad if they get one. They aren't sure (because of a lack of popularity, successful advertising and pushing, and simply general information about Android) if they will like an Android tablet, so they make the easy choice to get the iPad. Here's the thought process:
Best Buy guy: "You ever consider an Android tablet?"
Consumer: "Hmm, not really, but they look decent."
Best Buy guy: "Do you want to give one a shot? Android offers a lot that iPad doesn't."
Consumer: "Well, Android tablets might be nice, but I know for sure that the iPad is good, and I'm just a generic consumer that doesn't know anything about specs or anything, and I don't care to actually look into things, so why don't you just ring me up for the iPad I know for sure is good."
The Kindle Fire showed that the place to compete is not to compete in price at all with the iPad. It just can't be done, at least not at this time. This low price range is where people (and by people I mean the generic consumer Google so badly needs) will actually consider a tablet other than an iPad. Google desperately needs a tablet product to actually become very popular just to establish itself in the game. You may say Android tablets are already established based on their quality, but the established that Google is looking for is a level of popularity, respect from the general consumer, and willingness to become a repeat customer. Google is not looking to extract maximum profit from this tablet. It's trying to put a flag on the tablet hill. And it needs to. The Surface is coming this year, and I seriously believe (as do many) that Android tablets may be relegated to 3rd place. If Android tablets don't become a part of the mainstream public tech consciousness before the Surface comes out, they may become entirely irrelevant.
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The reason the Nexus 7 is so cheap is to ensure its sales success and popularity. Android tablets have not sold well at all, period. I'm an Android fan myself and every time a tantalizing new Android tablet comes out I just think "but do I really want to spend $500?". As much as I don't like Apple, the iPad has dominated the expensive tablet game. Dominated. The vast majority of consumers see no reason to buy an expensive Android tablet. In the first place, you're lucky if they are even aware what those tablets are. In the second, you're lucky if they are willing to give these tablets a look. In the third, you're lucky if they will then research tablets. Finally, you're lucky if after all these things they choose the Android over the iPad. The reason the iPad does well is because consumers pretty much know (based on popularity) that they will enjoy an iPad if they get one. They aren't sure (because of a lack of popularity, successful advertising and pushing, and simply general information about Android) if they will like an Android tablet, so they make the easy choice to get the iPad.
The Kindle Fire showed that the place to compete is not to compete in price at all with the iPad. It just can't be done, at least not at this time. This low price range is where people (and by people I mean the generic consumer Google so badly needs) will actually consider a tablet other than an iPad. Google desperately needs a tablet product to actually become very popular just to establish itself in the game. You may say Android tablets are already established based on their quality, but the established that Google is looking for is a level of popularity, respect from the general consumer, and willingness to become a repeat customer. Google is not looking to extract maximum profit from this tablet. It's trying to put a flag on the tablet hill. And it needs to. The Surface is coming this year, and I seriously believe (as do many) that Android tablets may be relegated to 3rd place. If Android tablets don't become a part of the mainstream public tech consciousness before the Surface comes out, they may become entirely irrelevant.
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If the surface runs MS Office well, MS will end up dominating business sales in this area.
For home, I plan to have a desktop for the foreseeable future for "big computing" needs like video conversion and storage, but I got to tell you, my next "laptop" will most likely be a Surface rather than something like a transformer prime. I want real MS Office and seamless networking.
guys - they are subsidizing it or making little to no money off it. The Goog is sitting on a boatload of cash, and people (read: other companies) are screwing up the android tablet market.
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I'd say $199 price is just right. There's a huge psychological difference between sub-$200 and $200+ devices.
Unfortunately, this will be my most expensive tablet. I have firesale TP and nook color. Can't wait for mid-July.
hmmmmm i still think my Xoom is very relevant and will better suit me for what i use a tablet for. heck my first gen kindle fire is still relevant (for me anyways)
what are your thoughts?
http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/
My thoughts are that comparing the too is like comparing oranges and carrots. The only thing they have in common is the color orange (they're both tablets).
They are damn near 2 generations apart tech wise and 2 completely different form factors.
exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
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exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
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Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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I agree with this and on a different note the surface isn't to shabby looking either. This is my favorite time of the year.
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Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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you may be right, but it is just an opinion, never liked apple, but its not like i look for opportunities to bash them....no wait :cyclops:
and yeah as long as the Nexus 10 isn't built by LG i might get one too
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thats true as well
To be honest my xoom2 sound way better than mini ipad mini.
Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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So now I need to be an Apple user in order to have an unbiased opinion? Please tell me where I downgraded Android wrongly rather than just shrugging it off. Android tablet app support is atrocious. Its getting better and its nice that Android apps "scale" upward but in doing so, a lot of the screen real estate of a tablet is simply not used efficiently. You can compare it to mobile websites. Have you ever looked at a mobile website on a desktop? They look horrible because they're not using the screen real estate efficiently. With all that said, the user interface of the OS itself and the features and speed have finally surpassed that of iOS.
And yes, the Xoom in the tech world of tablets is very out of date. Hardware tech moves fast; its still relevant and useful but the Tegra 2 processor is simply not up to par with newer chips. One of the main Eos devs even said in their nightly thread that the Xoom is old (coming up on 2 years) and people should start looking to upgrade. It was a bit of an off hand comment (as in I don't think they plan on dropping support any time soon) but people were discussing speed and such and the simple fact is the Xoom's hardware is holding it back from taking full advantage of Jellybean (its fast but not nearly as fast as a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7 with Project Butter).
Back to my original point, as I stated, comparing the Xoom and Mini is silly and to me comes across as nothing more than a fishing attempt to bash on Apple and circle jerk about the Xoom with other Xoom owners. They are two products that simply don't compare well to one another. A proper comparison would be the Nexus 7 and the Mini; they are much closer in release dates and are actually of similar sizes and targeted at similar customers.
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so what would be the point of buying an ipad mini?
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People that want a smaller tablet and are already invested in the iOS arena or simply prefer it? Tablets that are 9.6" or 10.1" aren't for everyone, just as phones that are 4.7" aren't for everyone. I know quite a few iPhone users who never got iPads because they saw the device as too large and cumbersome. The Mini introduces another option for iOS users at a different price and size.
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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And why do you think that?
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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great point, open source has always been better at providing better and faster support to products which make them more reliable and longer lasting. look how many old PCs are running linux
on the flip side, proprietary software like drivers from nvidia (on my LG phone) take forever to get updates. LG/Nvidia and T-Mobile have only just recently upgraded my phone to GB 2.3.4 (back in March) where as my Xoom is running the latest JB
I think that apple products are great! They give people who are new to the computer world a chance to learn hope to use a computer...
That being said anything beyond being new to computers in respect to acceptable customer support, software support, getting the most out of your device, power, and topping on the cake ethical business operation, you don't find it in apple.
I won't go to far into detail and try not to hate on apple to much, but I think that if you want a device that actually allows you to fully use the hardware then you have to look elsewhere. I also think that you pay far to much money for devices in that brand since they already get their hardware cheap as hell. sure they build solid hardware, but its not always high end, nor is it reasonably priced.
I bought a laptop from an off brand that was twice the power of the average apple computer today and half the price. I received it a year ago.
Ok enough with apple. Sorry that organization irritates me.
So on the xoom. I bought mine fairly recently. Some of the things I love about it is that it's build Pretty solid. I feel like I could throw this thing at a friggin wall! People claim the hardware is outdated, I don't agree. My xoom has EOS Wingray 153 currently and doesn't have any issues at all with lag. The only problems I've had with running apps is that I can't find enough that I want to use. That is to say ones relevant for me to use. I have about 64GB to fill and not enough apps to fill it with
Now this isn't as if I'm saying there aren't enough apps made for android to be honest I think there are plenty. I like that you don't need to use a ca authority to make an app attachable to the store, and I like that they don't pull root apps from the market. I also haven't heard of people being sued for hacking android devices.
I haven't been able to take full advantage of my xoom hardware yet, though it's mostly due to a lack of trying. I mostly use it for a few games and internet use when I'm not home. I also do ebooks and PDFs as well as ssh and some research. To say the xoom is outdated is in my opinion grossly wrong. The software that does a pretty damn good job of efficiently using the hardware, and I've yet to see an app thus far have trouble functioning properly or have any sort of lag. Well I did once, but that could have been so to a new build I literally just installed it also could have just been the app. In any case I no longer have lag.
To close to the question of iPad mini vs xoom. If you have a reason to use something smaller than a xoom then by all means support a terrible organization, but otherwise I think the xoom will be good for me for another year.
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I hate Apple's policies for market share! But over hating their policies I hate those iSheeps who keeps saying that their iPoops of them is better than Android, which was com proved by Geekbench that it's the opposite! For all those saying that Xoom is better than any Apple device, it's a lie, BUT even with it's 2 y.o. hardware it's only worse than the new iPhone 5, which is worse to GNote 10.1, GNote 2 and GS3! And there's still missing the new devices that'll come now, like RAZR HD, HTC One X+, Xperia T, etc... And on the iPad mini topic, all I can say is that it's not worth in ANY F-Word WAY! N7 is the best 7" tablet you'll see, Xoom 2 ME is way better too! But I else think that's not fair compare a 7" tablet to a 10" one, they were built for different functions and there's no way you can be fair to both sides when comparing utility, for example: I have my Xoom, which is amazing, and today I used a little my mom's Xoom 2 ME tablet, and it was way better to read than my 10.1" screen! That's why I'm keeping my Xoom and getting a Nexus 7, as I don't need another high end 10" tablet for now and need a tablet for better mobility.
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