Galaxy S III - "Inspired by Apple, Made for iPhone Users"

Galaxy S III - "Inspired by Apple, Made for iPhone Users" - Galaxy S III General

I dont know if anyone else read the article on androidandme with some marketing guy for Samsung, but it was extremely disappointing. He acknowledges that Samsung needed to put out the best possible specifications to "decimate" the competition when they released the GS2. And now the market has changed and there are too many good spec phones out so now the market needs a phone with an amazing "experience".
To me this sounds like Sammy has abandoned the huge cult of people that bought the SII and made the company what it is today in the smartphone market. Instead they've turned their attention to trying to attract iPhone customers,
I dont know about you, but I love walking around with my Galaxy SII and slamming iPhone 4 users for not having the specs to compete. and slamming 4S users for having the specs and lacking the freedom to do anything with it.
I can't imagine going back to iPhone, everyone in my family owns one, and I'm responsible for it. I was an iPhone fanboy, which i dont regret. I have to admit iPhone ushered in the touchscreen era. But its us, the early iPhone adopters, who first felt the need for more and moved on to better things. We went to Samsung because of their track record, knowing that they were the ones supplying the iphone with hardware. And boy did they get it right, the Galaxy S2 needs no introduction. Its revered for its spectacular spec sheet, and even more, for its tremendous following (and it doesn't hurt that most of them are on XDA ).
So instead of catering to the people that were ahead of the curve, the ones that got sick of the iPhone and bought the SII, they left us hanging out to dry.
IMO this is why the S III is a disappointing FAIL, at least for the users that have ever found the need for a visit to XDA. This isnt to say that I wont buy the S3, I will... but I wont sell my S2. And that says a lot I think, it says that early adopters will always be early adopters. And the S2 wouldn't have been such a hit if it weren't for us replenishing the well. It definately wasnt a hit because of the "marketing department" at Samsung. [I dont remember ever seeing an S2 ad before buying it ]
And that's what shocks me most, instead of drilling deeper into the well, someone at Samsung convinced the company to drill a new well right next to Apple's.
Samsung, you're not Apple, you cant sell "magic", and you shouldn't want to because only stupid people believe in magic. You're customers are smart, we bought the SII because it was the 'shizzle' no matter how you put it. Focus on the hardware, innovate the cpu, camera, ram, screen [HD Super AMOLED PLUS!!!!!!!!!], build materials and design, then software [because we're gonna rip it out anyways, ]. Leave the selling to us, I made everyone in my family buy iPhones, and that includes extended family, relatives and friends. and guess what, now they're all buying Galaxy S II's because of me. I'm sure I'm not the only one like this or else the SII wouldnt have been such a hit. Focus on what we can sell, not what your marketing needs to help them sell [cheap gimmicks that may or may not catch on]
I'll leave it by saying this, "Samsung, let Apple worry about selling magic to the masses, you should worry about making products that sell themselves."
BTW guys, no boycott intended or anything like that. P.S. Dont hesitate to place your vote on the pole above, I think its interesting to see what SII owners think.
...I have to say that after reading some replies by people who have handled it, I'm getting a better idea about the S3. I'm even starting to think its underestimated, which is enticing to me for some reason. I'm glad to say that some of you guys are starting to shed some light on the things that Samsung left out. ie. Apparently the camera sensor is swapped for a capable low light shooter, and the video is greatly improved. This is what I really want hear keep it coming.

What?!
Seriously, I understood nothing you just wrote.
What does Apple have to do with Samsung releasing Galaxy S3?
Why is Galaxy S3 a failure and made for "Iphone costumers"? S3 is nothing like Iphone.
In fact, Samsung took all the measures to make it look a lot different than it's competitor, mostly to avoid more legal rights.

I agree with you galaxy s3 is sucks in design but it's free from any copyrights infringement that might somehow happen in the future (design, etc.).
I have a quote
"if you're smart you'll choose superior device with better hardware, higher utility, and more freedom rather than a "fruit" device..."

MaKTaiL said:
What?!
This must be the biggest nonsense I've read on XDA.
Seriously, I understood nothing you just wrote.
What does Apple have to do with Samsung releasing Galaxy S3?
Why is Galaxy S3 a failure and made for "Iphone costumers"? S3 is nothing like Iphone.
In fact, Samsung took all the measures to make it look a lot different than it's competitor, mostly to avoid more legal rights.
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Thats cool, i respect your opinion . I dont mind, I just wanted take a pulse reading to see if anyone else noticed what I was seeing.
Btw, do you own an SII?

vertrag said:
I agree with you galaxy s3 is sucks in design but it's free from any copyrights infringement that might somehow happen in the future (design, etc.).
I have a quote
"if you're smart you'll choose superior device with better hardware, higher utility, and more freedom rather than a "fruit" device..."
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I actually think the design is prolly the best thing about the phone, but mainly I'm referring to the direction that Samsung took with the phone

s.alkari said:
Thats cool, i respect your opinion . I dont mind, I just wanted take a pulse reading to see if anyone else noticed what I was seeing.
Btw, do you own an SII?
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Yes, I have an SII. I won't buy SIII though because I'm out of money and this phone cost A LOT in Brazil (mostly 2x more than other countries).
Sorry if I sounded a bit rude on the other post.

MaKTaiL said:
Yes, I have an SII. I won't buy SIII though because I'm out of money and this phone cost A LOT in Brazil (mostly 2x more than other countries).
Sorry if I sounded a bit rude on the other post.
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No worries man, no offense taken.

s.alkari said:
No worries man, no offense taken.
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So, I read your text one more time. Tell me if I'm right:
So you are saying that Samsung should have included all those new software features on Galaxy S2 instead of releasing a new Hardware that, despite being "better", Galaxy S2 can still run everything without the added power.
Samsung should have made a better support for S2 instead of moving on to the next generation. Is that right?

MaKTaiL said:
So, I read your text one more time. Tell me if I'm right:
So you are saying that Samsung should have included all those new software features on Galaxy S2 instead of releasing a new Hardware that, despite being "better", Galaxy S2 can still run everything without the added power.
Samsung should have made a better support for S2 instead of moving on to the next generation. Is that right?
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Actually no, what i meant was that I like that Samsung made some improvements in the software, but I dont like that it prioritized the things that made the S2 great, so low on its list. I feel like samsung's priorities are: Marketing>Software>Design>hardware. Where it should have been: Hardware[Screen+camera+cpu+gpu.etc]>Design[not bad on the S3]>Software[not bad on the S3]>marketing. They should have spent less money on marketing because it was already the most anticipated phone, and devoting more money on developing and releasing new hardware [newer gen dual core might be better than the old gen quad core, people dont watch movies and surf the net simultaneously on their phones, although it is a cool feature], and design [already not bad, maybe more futuristic materials, perhaps even waterproofing?]. And it shouldn't have been that hard to know this, the world's blogs were bustling with hopes for the S3

s.alkari said:
Actually no, what i meant was that I like that Samsung made some improvements in the software, but I dont like that it prioritized the things that made the S2 great, so low on its list. I feel like samsung's priorities are: Marketing>Software>Design>hardware. Where it should have been: Hardware[Screen+camera+cpu+gpu.etc]>Design[not bad on the S3]>Software[not bad on the S3]>marketing. They should have spent less money on marketing because it was already the most anticipated phone, and devoting more money on developing and releasing new hardware [newer gen dual core might be better than the old gen quad core, people dont watch movies and surf the net simultaneously on their phones, although it is a cool feature], and design [already not bad, maybe more futuristic materials, perhaps even waterproofing?]. And it shouldn't have been that hard to know this, the world's blogs were bustling with hopes for the S3
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Ohhhh, now I'm getting it.
Well, IMO they were focusing on a little bit better hardware to lower the price.
S2 is already a very fast device, improving it even more wouldn't make much sense.
Yes, improving hardware is a must for newer devices, but improving it too much wouldn't be necessary in my opinion.
It would increase the price too much and for me the biggest advantage of the Galaxy series (and Android for that matter) is the price.
Iphone has much lower specs and it still very expensive. I would never spent my money on it, even if I had enough to buy 100.
But I understood your point.
However I think Samsung focusing on improving the Software was a must.
Touchwiz 5 included a lot of custom rom's features that no company has ever included before like battery percentage, customizable lockscreen widget bar and notification window, etc.
These things would only be possible on custom roms like Cyanogen for instance.
It's great that they finally understood why people felt the need to root their phones and decided to include these famous features on the stock firmware.
I only wish that Touchwiz 5, at least part of it, came to Galaxy S2 at some point.

MaKTaiL said:
Ohhhh, now I'm getting it.
Well, IMO they were focusing on a little bit better hardware to lower the price.
S2 is already a very fast device, improving it even more wouldn't make much sense.
Yes, improving hardware is a must for newer devices, but improving it too much wouldn't be necessary in my opinion.
It would increase the price too much and for me the biggest advantage of the Galaxy series (and Android for that matter) is the price.
Iphone has much lower specs and it still very expensive. I would never spent my money on it, even if I had enough to buy 100.
But I understood your point though.
However I think Samsung focusing on improving the Software was a must.
Touchwiz 5 included a lot of custom rom's features that no company has ever included before like battery percentage, customizable lockscreen widget bar and notification window, etc.
These things would only be possible on custom roms like Cyanogen for instance.
It's great that they finally understood why people felt the need to root their phones and decided to include these famous features on the stock firmware.
I only wish that Touchwiz 5, at least part of it, came to Galaxy S2 at some point.
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you make a good point, I know that what your saying is right. Price being important and all, and I will always appreciate software improvements [samsung does it well, the difference between touch 3 and 4 and now 5 is in the right direction]. but in terms of pricing i had hoped that due to samsung being the source of its hardware, that it would enable it to pass the savings on. whereas apple still has to buy all of its parts, which partly explains the price.

Customers had lot of expectation for S3...
They would have given 12Mp cam
2GB Ram...Rest of the hardware is good.
Display would have been bit better one.
There is no much diffrence from S2....
I will wait for S4 or Next Nexus release by december 2012

Well, let's wait and see what others think about this.
I gotta go now, it's 1:04 AM here in Brazil and I have to wake up early tomorrow. See ya!
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lvvine said:
Customers had lot of expectation for S3...
They would have given 12Mp cam
2GB Ram...Rest of the hardware is good.
Display would have been bit better one.
There is no much diffrence from S2....
I will wait for S4 or Next Nexus release by december 2012
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I will wait and see if Samsung will ever release TW5 on S2.
If not, I will have to buy S3 at some point. I loved the new features and customizations.

MaKTaiL said:
Well, let's wait and see what others think about this.
I gotta go now, it's 1:04 AM here in Brazil and I have to wake up early tomorrow. See ya!
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I will wait and see if Samsung will ever release TW5 on S2.
If not, I will have to buy S3 at some point. I loved the new features and customizations.
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Take care bro, i hit your thanks button, its always fun talking to ppl that know what theyre talkin bout.

lvvine said:
Customers had lot of expectation for S3...
They would have given 12Mp cam
2GB Ram...Rest of the hardware is good.
Display would have been bit better one.
There is no much diffrence from S2....
I will wait for S4 or Next Nexus release by december 2012
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vote on my pole, id appreciate your vote

s.alkari said:
Actually no, what i meant was that I like that Samsung made some improvements in the software, but I dont like that it prioritized the things that made the S2 great, so low on its list. I feel like samsung's priorities are: Marketing>Software>Design>hardware. Where it should have been: Hardware[Screen+camera+cpu+gpu.etc]>Design[not bad on the S3]>Software[not bad on the S3]>marketing. They should have spent less money on marketing because it was already the most anticipated phone, and devoting more money on developing and releasing new hardware [newer gen dual core might be better than the old gen quad core, people dont watch movies and surf the net simultaneously on their phones, although it is a cool feature], and design [already not bad, maybe more futuristic materials, perhaps even waterproofing?]. And it shouldn't have been that hard to know this, the world's blogs were bustling with hopes for the S3
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The problem is that you are speaking from the POV of a techie who knows his stuff. I myself was hoping for a dual core Krait/A15, however even Samsung said the average consumer will choose a quad core A9 over a dual core Krait/A15. So Samsung knows that the average consumer are idiots. LOL. (Rather like the people who think that a V12 Mustang is more powerful than a V6 Nissan GT-R)
The thing is software is one of the most oft criticised things about the S2. I have heard fruit users complain that its hard to use (whether they truly find it like that or its fanboyism I can't tell). Its good that they are working on the software front because software is just as important as hardware. If Samsung can convince a fruit user is just a intuitive as a fruit then its a victory.
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Logi_Ca1 said:
The problem is that you are speaking from the POV of a techie who knows his stuff. I myself was hoping for a dual core Krait/A15, however even Samsung said the average consumer will choose a quad core A9 over a dual core Krait/A15. So Samsung knows that the average consumer are idiots. LOL. (Rather like the people who think that a V12 Mustang is more powerful than a V6 Nissan GT-R)
The thing is software is one of the most oft criticised things about the S2. I have heard fruit users complain that its hard to use (whether they truly find it like that or its fanboyism I can't tell). Its good that they are working on the software front because software is just as important as hardware. If Samsung can convince a fruit user is just a intuitive as a fruit then its a victory.
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Well put my man, I guessed as much regarding the cpu. I guess I'm like a teacher's pet, who loves the teacher, but the teacher keeps putting me on back burners because some kids need more attention. I dont know if that makes any sense, all i know is that I would have liked to see Sammy give the people that appreciate their devices some more love, instead of trying to convince other users to love them.

Logi_Ca1 said:
The problem is that you are speaking from the POV of a techie who knows his stuff. I myself was hoping for a dual core Krait/A15, however even Samsung said the average consumer will choose a quad core A9 over a dual core Krait/A15. So Samsung knows that the average consumer are idiots. LOL. (Rather like the people who think that a V12 Mustang is more powerful than a V6 Nissan GT-R)
The thing is software is one of the most oft criticised things about the S2. I have heard fruit users complain that its hard to use (whether they truly find it like that or its fanboyism I can't tell). Its good that they are working on the software front because software is just as important as hardware. If Samsung can convince a fruit user is just a intuitive as a fruit then its a victory.
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you really hit the nail on the head for me, i had to thank button you
you got a vote for me?

in what way this thread is related to s2???? it should be either in s3 thread or in general!!
People always have higher expectation , it will never be possible for any company to satsify all.

s.alkari said:
Well put my man, I guessed as much regarding the cpu. I guess I'm like a teacher's pet, who loves the teacher, but the teacher keeps putting me on back burners because some kids need more attention. I dont know if that makes any sense, all i know is that I would have liked to see Sammy give the people that appreciate their devices some more love, instead of trying to convince other users to love them.
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Lol personally I'm feeling the urge for a new device so I will most likely be getting the S3. Then when my contract ends in October I will get the iPhone 5, sell it, and get whatever Nexus is out at that moment.
The other source of my disappointment is the camera on the S3. At least its a new sensor, but I wish they put a bright aperture lens on that... My S2 struggles in low light. Well, not that the One X doesn't even with it's F2.0, from what I hear.
Again, the S3 is a mass market phone. With the HTC One X screaming "FIRST TO QUAD CORE" it would be hard for Samsung to scream back "DUAL CORE KRAIT WITH MUCH HIGHER IPC AND 28NM PROCESS". The average Joe just won't get it.

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Samsung needs to stop this craziness

Irritated to learn about the launch of the 10.1 version of the Galaxy Tab 2.
Can't we users and developers urge Samsung to release the official ICS update for our GT 10.1 instead of launching product after product with very little differences? I don't feel like buying Samsung products anymore.
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While I somewhat agree with you I think it would be a rep shame if you stooped owning their products due to the fact they are releasing alot of great, but albeit similar, products. Besides who'd want an official release when there's cyanogen. All I want off Sammy are the damn camera drivers.

Hopefully ppl will vote with their wallets but feels like Samsung are doing an Apple
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Samsung said it would release during Q1, why are people getting mad/frustrated that its not out when Q1 is not over yet? I understand if it was Q3 and still nothing!

Doomweaver said:
All I want off Sammy are the damn camera drivers.
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Yes! That would make me choose cm9 rather than wait for an official update.
Will we get them with the new tabs? They could be ported to our devices then.

nakedninja42 said:
Samsung said it would release during Q1, why are people getting mad/frustrated that its not out when Q1 is not over yet? I understand if it was Q3 and still nothing!
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Might be so because ASUS seems to be doing a good job by providing regular updates. At least more than Samsung.

anirudh24seven said:
Irritated to learn about the launch of the 10.1 version of the Galaxy Tab 2.
Can't we users and developers urge Samsung to release the official ICS update for our GT 10.1 instead of launching product after product with very little differences? I don't feel like buying Samsung products anymore.
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I dunno -- the Note 10.1 actually seems like a great idea to me! I love my 5.whatever" Note phone/tablet. That being said, I might prefer a 8.9" version (any smaller and it's no fun reading comics on it and for me 10.1 is a little largish for book-reading).
PS: Yeah, they should release an ICS update for the existing devices too.

Yeah! How dare they announce a new product! I can't believe the gall of these companies--what do they think we are? Consumers? Bah, I think that a company should be limited to releasing one product a year, and whenever they release a better product ours should be upgraded.
And you know why I'm so angry? It's because I have no idea that there's real things in the world to be angry about! I never watch the news or read a paper, or really anything other than forums and blogs! Because I pay no attention to the real world, I think that the worst thing in the world is when a multinational electronics corporation releases a new product! Don't they realize the harm they cause by designing and selling new products? Do they not see that when I buy a product, I expect that it will be the best thing available (or just announced...) for at least a decade? Oh man, I just can't understand what they're thinking. In a world like ours of total customer loyalty to brand names--In the quickly shifting category of consumer electronics--I am shocked they didn't at least send us a survey.

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Yeah! How dare they announce a new product! I can't believe the gall of these companies--what do they think we are? Consumers? Bah, I think that a company should be limited to releasing one product a year, and whenever they release a better product ours should be upgraded.
And you know why I'm so angry? It's because I have no idea that there's real things in the world to be angry about! I never watch the news or read a paper, or really anything other than forums and blogs! Because I pay no attention to the real world, I think that the worst thing in the world is when a multinational electronics corporation releases a new product! Don't they realize the harm they cause by designing and selling new products? Do they not see that when I buy a product, I expect that it will be the best thing available (or just announced...) for at least a decade? Oh man, I just can't understand what they're thinking. In a world like ours of total customer loyalty to brand names--In the quickly shifting category of consumer electronics--I am shocked they didn't at least send us a survey.
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Ouch! I just got flamed.
I have to admit it when someone makes more sense than I do.

Thing is, there is almost no reason for them to make ICS for the original 10.1 It just costs them money to make a few of their more techie customers happy. Time and time again companies have made it clear they could care less that a few people won't buy their products because they won't update software promptly.
The 10.1.5 with ICS makes sense. They barely had to do any engineering on the hardware so it was cheap, and they need ICS to attract customers to buy it. ICS now becomes profitable for them. Companies (aside from charities) exist for one reason, profit. As long as they are making that profit, they can care less what you as a customer think of them. Luckily we have a little control in what we do or don't buy which helps make companies care, but it is all for naught if they are still raking in billions each quarter. It sucks, but at the very least we have CM9

For all I care they can release 100 new Tablets this year because I will buy the one I want and won't care about the rest..
Choice is good...

x-ravin said:
Thing is, there is almost no reason for them to make ICS for the original 10.1 It just costs them money to make a few of their more techie customers happy. Time and time again companies have made it clear they could care less that a few people won't buy their products because they won't update software promptly.
The 10.1.5 with ICS makes sense. They barely had to do any engineering on the hardware so it was cheap, and they need ICS to attract customers to buy it. ICS now becomes profitable for them. Companies (aside from charities) exist for one reason, profit. As long as they are making that profit, they can care less what you as a customer think of them. Luckily we have a little control in what we do or don't buy which helps make companies care, but it is all for naught if they are still raking in billions each quarter. It sucks, but at the very least we have CM9
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Same thing was said with the galaxy s from 2.1 to 2.2, 2.2 to 2.3, just relax and wait for it.
10.1 and 8.9 will get the ICS, why would samsung leave is first real tablet with 6/7 months old without this major update?

I just read in another post that Samsung has to support devices for 18 months per some google agreement. So we would definitely see ICS, but who knows when?
Not info from me, just what I just read in another post.
If you can read this it was sent using my GT-P7510.

I think the figure was that 1% (not those guys) are running ICS, with so little usage it will take awhile for more quality development.
And more bugs to get worked out.... The CM stolen roms will work until then.
Also I thought dude worked for Samsung now... Perhaps he can make friends in the camera.apk department... Maybe an email like hey... you know, how about a little something for the effort.
I joke, I joke.....

Benzoman said:
I just read in another post that Samsung has to support devices for 18 months per some google agreement. So we would definitely see ICS, but who knows when?
Not info from me, just what I just read in another post.
If you can read this it was sent using my GT-P7510.
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Yup. That was announced originally at Google I/O spring 2011. That means we would qualify for the Android 5 update when that gets announced later during Q3 or late fall.

slack04 said:
And you know why I'm so angry? It's because I have no idea that there's real things in the world to be angry about! I never watch the news or read a paper, or really anything other than forums and blogs! Because I pay no attention to the real world, I think that the worst thing in the world is when a multinational electronics corporation releases a new product! Don't they realize the harm they cause by designing and selling new products? Do they not see that when I buy a product, I expect that it will be the best thing available (or just announced...) for at least a decade? Oh man, I just can't understand what they're thinking. In a world like ours of total customer loyalty to brand names--In the quickly shifting category of consumer electronics--I am shocked they didn't at least send us a survey.
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Actually customer loyalty is very low, especially with electronics, with the exception being apple, but even then its not as high as you might think. Also it would be impossible for the product to be "the best thing available for at least a decade" ... not only is computing exponential, the rate of exponential growth is itself speeding up.
Computing power doubled every 18 months in 1950, today it doubles every 11 months. That being said they could definitely make their products more upgradable, and in a sense you can do it yourself (rooting, overclocking, new ROMs) and above all they don't care as long as they are making their share holders happy.

Someone mentioned Apple earlier and say about Samsung, that choice is good. While Samsung do make great products,including much of the iPhone, I do believe Samsung could learn a lot from Apples product strategy.
The raft of new devices, like Galaxy Tab 10.1 2 which apparently isn't the real successor, only a sideways step, is an example of the lack of clarity and focus from Samsung. Then there the Galaxy Tab 7.0 plus followed by the Galaxy Tab 2. Which one follows from the original tab? Then there's rumours of the Note 10.1?
There is way too much product overlap and seemingly little focus. And with Galaxy minis and young's and aces, even the phone market seems confusing. At least we know the S is the pinnacle and the S3 won't be an S2 with ice cream sandwich and the real successor being something like a Samsung Galaxy Young Ultimate HD 4.8.
Put it like this, you want an iphone or an I pad, you get one. Like it or not, its a strong brand.

At first I thought the whole apple fanboy rage is what caused apple to release iPad2 then iPad3 in less than a year. I used to be an iOS owner, and was pretty proud of it without falling into the apple sheep or the cult that worships the half bitten apple. I had the initial 2G for both the iPhone and the iPod only to see what I was missing out, shortly then came the release for the 3G which was quickly discarded in about 4-5 months with the launch of the 3GS and the trend followed. I used to be so ENRAGED about how I as a consumer had to keep myself constantly in the mix of what was being released and If I wanted to get it with the same idea that
"This **** will last me for about a year, I mean hey ,I used my nokia for 2-3 years"
and then BOOM, the bloody mass corporates state "I am sad to say we are cutting off all support for previous Apple devices below the 3G series" that **** move made me swap to the green little buddy whom I feel I have spent my money's worth. I mean for the love of God, Apple, It's the same interface for like 4, no, 5 generations now! NOTHING in their interface has changed, just the price and look+feel.
Just when I thought that headache was over, I moved to Samsung which had the sexiest designs out of all the smartphones in the market. Purchased my first Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab 7 (Edition 1) and was proud, then development ceased for both due to developers being demanded in the latest S2 and Asus Transformer and I agreed one can't be stuck on one device permanently and so I hoped that the incoming ICS would give me some hope, then Samsung pulled another **** move and said "These following devices will not be getting ICS and Gingerbread 2.3.7 will be the last firmware" and hillariously, mines fell into that son of a gun list, and so I bought the HTC Evo 3D, same story with the development. And so I decided to play cat and mouse, grab the next "Hot item" that hit the shelves, and that was the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to my dismay it's been less than what? 1-2months and I feel they are about to cease all support for this. Even worse? I have both the 10.1v and non V editions. **** just got real.
I am not angry, I an ENRAGED, If samsung decides to pull a Nokia stunt that releases a new bloody device EVERY SINGLE MONTH, Then fu** Samsung and the minds behind their marketing strategy. I will personally walk upto their sales rep and smash my Galaxy Tab on their faces, probably quote "NOPE SEEMS FACEUNLOCK DIDNT WORK, OH WELL"

I agree 100%..
Even Samsung admitted they are really failing in the tablet dept..

glassjosh said:
Even Samsung admitted they are really failing in the tablet dept..
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Soon it won't be just the tablet's but they would be failing their consumers hard. When you are forced to spend over $1000 or more in less than a month for a device that doesn't last in the market for 2-3 months? Ridiculous!!

should i get the 10.1?

hey guys just looking for some opinnions. i wanna ditch my ipad and looking to get a new tab. you think the galaxy 10.1 would be a worthy upgrade. i do love galaxy devies currently owning the gs2. i appreciate any feedback.

cracjackson said:
hey guys just looking for some opinnions. i wanna ditch my ipad and looking to get a new tab. you think the galaxy 10.1 would be a worthy upgrade. i do love galaxy devies currently owning the gs2. i appreciate any feedback.
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The galaxy tab is a great device... once it has been modified. The stock firmware tends to lag and have reboot issues for power users, those who game and transfer files a lot. On the other end, if you are a very casual gamer who likes to surf the net and read books all on a great screen then the tab may be for you. Although, in all honesty the tablet market is extremely diluted at the moment, so I would recommend that you wait for the market to equalize and spit out a great value and performance tablet.
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hell yes. this tablet is a boss. if you can, might as well wait for those quad core tablets though. they're right around the corner.

Id say no, especially this version at this point in time, honestly if I were you I would just keep the iPad, while it is a locked down piece of ****, it actually does what its supposed to do and it works well, the Gtab is garbo compared to iPads, depending on what you want to spend Id say wait for the iPad3/HD or wait for the next gen version of the Gtab or something comparable
This is coming from someone who likes Android, I have a SGS and a GTab

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hell yes. this tablet is a boss. if you can, might as well wait for those quad core tablets though. they're right around the corner.
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I agree with what Jay says. While this tab is great if you can wait I would suggest waiting for the new stuff to come out with ICS on it and will have the faster processors.

are you bloody kidding me? G-Tab "garbo" when compared to an ipAD?!
OKay, maybe when its on stock ROm... no arguing there.
BUT after flashing it with a custom rom and overclocked to 1.2-14.ghz? Dude... I am loving my 10.1v to every single detail!
Its so much easier and fast to use. no itunes no syncing!
I can view flash browsers, open any video file, i have a CALCULATOR! I have a tablet dedicated OS!
Just wait till ICS becomes stable on 10.1&10.1v... ICS is damn smooth and damn fast!
Imo, it may not be as smooth as IOS but its really close but one thing is for sure... ITS FAST!

Thanks guys for your opinions. Yea I definitely would throw a custom rom on there. I mostly just use the ipad for internet and Netflix HBO go. The Garbage iipad Im using the safari always fcs its kinda annoying.
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You're actually saying my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 GT-P7150 running Task 14, Pershoots latest kernel, oc'd to 1400, SuperCharger V6, most any app I could want, and etc... without any issues what so ever is "garbo" compare to something you just referred to as a "locked down piece of ****"?
You've got to be kidding. I guess you could just be an apple fanboi sarcasm in the fanboi crack.
But really that's what you just said.
I'm not saying you're wrong within your opinion of what to do. I think you are, but I'm not saying that.
I just can't believe what you just compared my tab to. LOL
Now back on topic....
As far as what to keep, I would keep both myself, until the next iPad and actual successor to the tab comes out so you can compare then. While in the meantime while you wait you'll be able to personally experience both the iPad and tab to help ease your decision when you decide what direction you want to go. It could be you even want to get a completely different brand than Apple or Samsung. Then you can sell then both, just the one you don't want, or neither and not even get anything else. Leave your options open and compare both before getting rid of either one for now. Is my suggestion.
EDIT: Sorry I got so involved with the comment of my tab being "garbo" compared to a "locked down piece of ****" I forgot what the op stated.
so actually, if you're not completely happy with the iPad I'd get rid of it before a new one comes out and makes the one you're not happy with worth half of what it is now. But would I wait on getting a tablet? No. But I couldn't live without mine now. But if you can live without then I would suggest doing so, as the new to come devices, even the iPad, look to be really nice improvements on the tab as it is right now. Sorry not a definite answer as to what to do really just something more to think about.
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LOL, I knew this would get some peoples hackles up, Im not a fanboy of any product, to me that is one of the stupidest things you can be.... it is an electronic device after all, for some one to get bent out of shape because someone else thinks your "electronic" device is garbo as I put it is beyond moronic, I base the way I view things on how it actually performs not on pop culture and what all the cool kids are saying, I worked at Toyota before and I would tell people some of them are crap some of them are good, just as I would with whatever other manufacturer they were asking about
I have never owned an Apple product, they are far to restrictive and they are trendy which puts me off
Im offering up my opinion not based on love of a device/manufacturer, Im basing this on the fact that my Sister has an iPad and IMO its an overall better product compared to MY Gtab < notice the emphasis on me saying "MY" since no where in my post did I say YOUR tab was garbo
Geeze the way you ball washed a product almost gives the appearance of you having a relationship with it or having a name for it
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are you bloody kidding me? G-Tab "garbo" when compared to an ipAD?!
OKay, maybe when its on stock ROm... no arguing there.
BUT after flashing it with a custom rom and overclocked to 1.2-14.ghz? Dude... I am loving my 10.1v to every single detail!
Its so much easier and fast to use. no itunes no syncing!
I can view flash browsers, open any video file, i have a CALCULATOR! I have a tablet dedicated OS!
Just wait till ICS becomes stable on 10.1&10.1v... ICS is damn smooth and damn fast!
Imo, it may not be as smooth as IOS but its really close but one thing is for sure... ITS FAST!
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Im on the latest ICS KANG, the Gtab is at its best while on this ROM, especially compared to stock HC, no doubt about that but as I mentioned above, overall the iPad is a better product IMO

This Tablet ROCKS.. I have no real need to upgrade or wait for the new ones that will come..
Task 14 with pershoot kernel and OC @ 1.2 is fast speedy and rock solid..
CM9 OC @ 1.2 is nice as well...
Get it and enjoy as waiting for what is rumored is a never ending cycle.. As soon as the newer ones are released something with higher specs will be rumored...
Get what you want and enjoy it..

Simply from an evolutionary perspective it doesn't make sense to buy the current G-Tab now. The G-Tab 2 is supposed to be less expensive but it'll still be first-gen h/w. The Note 10.1 is interesting because of the uniqueness of the S-Pen. It also has a 1.4GHz Exynos processor and I'm guessing a Mali GPU which will be head and shoulders above the G-Tab 1 and 2's performance.
The Asus Prime's running Teg3 but it's been a disaster with tons of issues you can review on their forum. It's rumored that'll the Asus Infinity which will have a HD display may replace it in the April/May timeframe. Acer's also got a Teg3 device launching in France this month that's already passed through the FCC. The Samsung 11.6 with a higher resolution display than the iPad3 will most likely rule all later in the year. But the Exynos 5250 chip that powers it isn't supposed to reach mass production until Q2 so it'll probably be summer before it’s available. All the newer devices come with ICS.
So if you've made up your mind to make the switch from iPad, I'd wait at least until the Note 10.1 becomes available. I'm guessing it won't be cheap and you may have to import it from Europe to get it sooner. If you're willing to look at other manufacturers follow Acer and Asus to see when their new Teg3 devices are released. Or, you can wait even longer for the Holy Grail which will be the 11.6
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DT3CH said:
Im on the latest ICS KANG, the Gtab is at its best while on this ROM, especially compared to stock HC, no doubt about that but as I mentioned above, overall the iPad is a better product IMO
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The iPad better? LOL.. Opinions are like..... Well you know...
iPads are OK but they are mainly geared toward less technically inclined people.. No widgets, no customization ect... PASS... Sold my iPad2 to get the Tab and am glad I did..

I was thinking about waiting for the gtab2 but I read it was pretty similar to the first gen one. The original gtab is only 400 at best buy. I just want something that's good for movies and Internet. I like Samsung cause all their devices is so easy to root and flash.

cracjackson said:
I was thinking about waiting for the gtab2 but I read it was pretty similar to the first gen one. The original gtab is only 400 at best buy. I just want something that's good for movies and Internet. I like Samsung cause all their devices is so easy to root and flash.
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I picked up another one the other day off Craigslist.. 16GB white with leather case and USB adapter for $300..

DT3CH said:
Id say no, especially this version at this point in time, honestly if I were you I would just keep the iPad, while it is a locked down piece of ****, it actually does what its supposed to do and it works well, the Gtab is garbo compared to iPads, depending on what you want to spend Id say wait for the iPad3/HD or wait for the next gen version of the Gtab or something comparable
This is coming from someone who likes Android, I have a SGS and a GTab
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LOL, I knew this would get some peoples hackles up, Im not a fanboy of any product, to me that is one of the stupidest things you can be.... it is an electronic device after all, for some one to get bent out of shape because someone else thinks your "electronic" device is garbo as I put it is beyond moronic, I base the way I view things on how it actually performs not on pop culture and what all the cool kids are saying, I worked at Toyota before and I would tell people some of them are crap some of them are good, just as I would with whatever other manufacturer they were asking about
I have never owned an Apple product, they are far to restrictive and they are trendy which puts me off
Im offering up my opinion not based on love of a device/manufacturer, Im basing this on the fact that my Sister has an iPad and IMO its an overall better product compared to MY Gtab < notice the emphasis on me saying "MY" since no where in my post did I say YOUR tab was garbo
Geeze the way you ball washed a product almost gives the appearance of you having a relationship with it or having a name for it
Im on the latest ICS KANG, the Gtab is at its best while on this ROM, especially compared to stock HC, no doubt about that but as I mentioned above, overall the iPad is a better product IMO
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First, your statements I changed to red in your quotes above are contradicting each other as to what you are implying you actually you said. and the first statement of "the Gtab is garbo compared to iPads" can or should be interpreted as including everyone's Gtab.
Second, (your own words are in green), I didn't get my "hackles up" I defended the Gtab as I have it set up and showed my disbelief of your stating "the Gtab is garbo compared to iPads" here in a Galaxy Tab 10.1 section of the forum. I'm reminded of quote from an old British sitcom "I'm glad I don't have your nerve in my tooth!"
I say this because as you state yourself "LOL, I knew this would get some peoples hackles up" So you knew the controversy you were trying to create but did so anyway? I doubt it. I think you were just stating your opinion which you knew many here would disagree with, not intentionally trying to start any pissing matches, but I could be wrong.
To end my I rambling, I do take offense to some of your so called "opinions", as direct and intentional insults towards myself as they were directly in response to my post. Such as this one 'for some one to get bent out of shape because someone else thinks your "electronic" device is garbo as I put it is beyond moronic" So I'm beyond moronic because I chose to state my opinions and defend my Gtab, just as you stated your opinions but didn't defend any device of your own? I may think the same of you and your opinions but never resorted to publicly posting this low level of insult.
This following is definitely trying to be insulting and directly rude. "Geeze the way you ball washed a product almost gives the appearance of you having a relationship with it or having a name for it" I think this is completely uncalled for. Although I do have a name for it. LMAO It's name is "my tab".
Then, I'm having a relationship with it? Not even going to ask your intentions with that statement, though I think it's obvious what you're suggesting here.
Since this OP is all relative to device setups and personal opinions, as you stated yourself, and I respect your opinions, however much I disagree. Though none of the personal attacks were called for.
You might reply and correct me where I could be thinking wrong.
But with my post already taking the OP off topic I hesitate to suggest it, but that's not for me to decide.
Just thought I'd write an essay today I guess.

cracjackson said:
I was thinking about waiting for the gtab2 but I read it was pretty similar to the first gen one. The original gtab is only 400 at best buy. I just want something that's good for movies and Internet. I like Samsung cause all their devices is so easy to root and flash.
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If you're looking to play movies locally (vs. streaming) then stay away from anything based on Teg2 (including the G-Tab 1). The GPU is pitiful. If the 1GHz chip in the G-Tab 2 is Exynos/Mali it will be a far better choice than the Teg2. If you store your video files in 1080P/MKV Teg2 just chokes and you'll have to re-encode them all to get them to play. Nvidia's said they've lost Samsung as a customer so it's hard to say what chip will be in the G-Tab 2 and other upcoming Samsung tablets. For streaming video and Internet any of the first-gen devices are fine.

I'm thinking of getting one from eBay
This or this
Would it be a bad idea, I've really no interest in one of the quad cores. The Tegra2 is more than enough power; And seeing as how CM9 nightlies just started for this device, it only makes me want it even more. I'd use it for just browsing internet, skype, etc, same stuff I use my E4GT for but just on a bigger screen. I absolutely love my E4GT and from what I've seen no other tablet has as good of a display as the galaxy tab series.

Ophois said:
I'm thinking of getting one from eBay
This or this
Would it be a bad idea, I've really no interest in one of the quad cores. The Tegra2 is more than enough power; And seeing as how CM9 nightlies just started for this device, it only makes me want it even more. I'd use it for just browsing internet, skype, etc, same stuff I use my E4GT for but just on a bigger screen. I absolutely love my E4GT and from what I've seen no other tablet has as good of a display as the galaxy tab series.
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I do Craigslist before eBay because at least with Craigslist you and look at / inspect the device before buying...

DT3CH said:
Id say no, especially this version at this point in time, honestly if I were you I would just keep the iPad, while it is a locked down piece of ****, it actually does what its supposed to do and it works well, the Gtab is garbo compared to iPads, depending on what you want to spend Id say wait for the iPad3/HD or wait for the next gen version of the Gtab or something comparable
This is coming from someone who likes Android, I have a SGS and a GTab
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I totally agree with you. If you need something that works well and gets everything done without headaches an iPad is by far a best product at the moment, if you don't depend on a tablet for real work but just for fun or tinkering then a Galaxy Tab may work as well as any other tablet out there I guess.
Sadly right now Android on tablets is a half baked product at best...
Sincerely,
A Galaxy Tab owner

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LOL, I knew this would get some peoples hackles up, Im not a fanboy of any product, to me that is one of the stupidest things you can be.... it is an electronic device after all, for some one to get bent out of shape because someone else thinks your "electronic" device is garbo as I put it is beyond moronic, I base the way I view things on how it actually performs not on pop culture and what all the cool kids are saying, I worked at Toyota before and I would tell people some of them are crap some of them are good, just as I would with whatever other manufacturer they were asking about
I have never owned an Apple product, they are far to restrictive and they are trendy which puts me off
Im offering up my opinion not based on love of a device/manufacturer, Im basing this on the fact that my Sister has an iPad and IMO its an overall better product compared to MY Gtab < notice the emphasis on me saying "MY" since no where in my post did I say YOUR tab was garbo
Geeze the way you ball washed a product almost gives the appearance of you having a relationship with it or having a name for it
Im on the latest ICS KANG, the Gtab is at its best while on this ROM, especially compared to stock HC, no doubt about that but as I mentioned above, overall the iPad is a better product IMO
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Don't lie you are a fanboy for even making a smug b.s statement like that, disappointing we have people on here say ignorant thing's like you.
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Most biased review of the galaxy s 3 I have read yet.

This review screamed "apple fan boy" from the start. Smdh at so many android haters in the world. Especially one who works for a irrelevant news outlet
He says the s3 has an outdated processor. Is he serious? Thy shows me he knows nothing about this phone
http://www.examiner.com/article/rev...axy-s3-is-just-another-ordinary-android-phone
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phyba said:
This review screamed "apple fan boy" from the start. Smdh at so many android haters in the world. Especially one who works for a irrelevant news outlet
He says the s3 has an outdated processor. Is he serious? Thy shows me he knows nothing about this phone
http://www.examiner.com/article/rev...axy-s3-is-just-another-ordinary-android-phone
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First of all who is "examiner.com"? Secondly, the author lost all credibility with me when he wrote: However, you definitely feel the height and length when talking on the phone for a long time.What the heck is the difference between height and length?

Ansextra said:
First of all who is "examiner.com"? Secondly, the author lost all credibility with me when he wrote: However, you definitely feel the height and length when talking on the phone for a long time.What the heck is the difference between height and length?
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Lol. Good point. Wth does that mean??
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That poor soul... c'mon guys give your sympathy to another iSheep added to the flock, scared to broaden his horizons. I pity the foo.
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He's more than entitled to his opinion but he should write about it intelligently.

Think the author of this article still drinks from a sippy cup, and needs to be led places, because he obviously has no thoughts of his own and is hand fed his knowledge from his mommy.... LOL... that or his IQ is very low.
All kidding aside this was so funny. I always love the apple fanbois.
I had the first iphone (before android was out), and I was part of the guys that was hacking it at version 1.02 of IOS, and figuring out jailbreaking and such.
I have owned Macs since the early 90s, but the iphone in my opinion is a kids toy, compared to Andriod based phones (much more customize-able, and "hack-able")

From the author of the article, "Fabio, any dual-core processor is outdated. The US version uses a dual-core processor."
I wonder if he even knows that his iPhone is outdated now.

El Nivek said:
From the author of the article, "Fabio, any dual-core processor is outdated. The US version uses a dual-core processor."
I wonder if he even knows that his iPhone is outdated now.
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Why is this guy even writing tech articles he obviously knows nothing about technology.

Ummm... Because anyone can call themselves a blogger and publish what they want?

ick!
I'm fed up with apple BS. I just had an argument this morning about android and ios with one of my close friend's who's also in IT. I'm an android fanboy but i can clearly say without any hesitation that apple does make great products. I had an iphone4, an ipad, and an apple tv. Good stuff. As much as I like their stuff, I don't think it's necessarily better; Just different. I like having a choice. I've been with android since day one and know that android is just as capable as any ios device, and in some cases more capable. I love than I can get a phone in any size shape or color from any carrier. Apple people think that's bad for some reason.
Ever listen to any of their presentations? They sound like this.
"70% of apple users upgrade to the latest version of our OS 100% more than any other OS. Today we're announcing that everyone can get the latest version for only... $20"
Does that make any sense to you? They actually said something like this at WWDC2012. Every one of their slides and charts has all sorts of skewed information and apple sheep eat it right up. Like when they say that the ipad has over 200k apps designed for it, then they diss android. But they don't mention that every single android app since ICS built for both phones and tablets. Nah they leave that part out.
Apple gets praised for selling OS updates for $20.
Windows gets slammed for giving people service packs for free.
Apple gets praise for updating it's last two iphones, but google gets slammed for only upgrading their last two and not the every other manufacturers phones. It seems unfair, and simply childish at this point trying to talk to apple people. God (for those who believe in him/her) could come from heaven and say that Android is really better, and apple people would still deny it.
This writer should be ashamed of himself for not only drinking the cool-aid, but for letting it skew his review and putting out bad information to consumers.

just left a nice comment under the name LearnGadget

Apparently many many people are annoyed with him...

Oh this kid clearly has never had 4.8" in his hand before

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Oh this kid clearly has never had 4.8" in his hand before
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He probably has in his mouth.

"The GPS eats a lot of battery life fast, so it's important to keep this off when you don't need it"
What? Really? So the phone uses GPS 24/7 now?
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pizz0wn3d said:
"The GPS eats a lot of battery life fast, so it's important to keep this off when you don't need it"
What? Really? So the phone uses GPS 24/7 now?
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Yeah that guy is a tool that doesn't know what he's talking about.

That article is funny, he's obviously clueless.
He comments later, "any dual-core processor is outdated."

This one is pretty funny too, not as bad but some of the claims are really biased-sounding.
It's at gadgetreview . com, can't post links...
"Compared to the Galaxy S II, the newer Galaxy S III looks plasticy and somewhat poorly built. The back panel is a single bendable plastic glossy slab, and the front is all display. Compare that with the iPhone, or any recent high-end smartphone, and the GS3 looks like a kids toy from the back. "
"My opinion is that iOS is still the stronger operating system; it’s simpler, easier to manage, and anyone switching between the two OS’s will be better off with iOS in any case."
"Samsung has included some great additions using their user interface, but it isn’t likely going to make the overall OS better than iOS. "

I don't think the guy has even held a gs3. And a simpler os does not make a better os. And any iphone ive used is always cluttered because the home screen holds all the apps.
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I just sent him this in an email, not because he doesn't like a phone that I do, but because he's an idiot! Lol
Dear uninformed,
Wow is all I have to say! I own several smartphones and one of those is a US Galaxy S3 variamt. I'm well aware that you did not ever actually use one of them before you wrote this review.
If you in fact have used any of them, then you have zero credibility when it comes to technology! Even if you don't care for the phone, which I personally like but there are others I care for more, your conclusions of outdated processor, bad camcorder, and camera is not as good as the s2, are so completely far off from what is obvious to even a smartphone beginner!
Total crap journalism, and absolutely the most uninformed, uneducated, clueless "tech journalist" (if that's your title at this.... Blog Site?) that I have ever layed eyes on!
By the way, we are having a hell of a time laughing our asses off at you in a thread dedicated just for you at XDA!
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.... SELECT A NEW LINE OF WORK!

"Reasons" to go for Xperia Z or s4 (based on past experiences)

I am not bashing or being a fan boy etc. to anyone.. being a tech lover and loving the xda community, this thread is about being open minded and discussing past experiences and taking decisions accordingly, not burning our hands again..
Friends,
The idea of this thread is to outline significant practical reasons on why to move ahead with Sony Xperia Z rather than samsung devices..for a lot of the viewers who are waiting etc.
I have been seeing a lot of view points on why we should go for sony and not samsung anymore.. but personally.. I have used all samsung galaxy flagships over the years, and I keep getting dissapointed.. and this time I finally had a realization that its time to move to better companies who really are serious about what they are creating and who listen to their customers and the community. So I have outlined a few quotes and reasons from elite recognised devs to users with their experiences below. If you have any pointers you would like me to add, please feel free.
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It's sad how many sheep are falling for Samsung's misleading "Octa" marketing which (falsely) implies that the device has 8 cores of equal capability.
IT DOES NOT.
It is a quad core device, with four additional low-power cores. More proper marketing would be 4+4 (kind of like Nvidia's 4+1 marketing).
There's also no benefit to having four low-power cores... In any situation where you'd drop to the lowpower cores, you'll also be hotplugging out all of the extra cores. A single low-power core will provide nearly all of the power reduction benefits of a full set of low-power cores. Yes, it'll be easier to handle migration in software - but it's throwing a pile of hardware resources (hardware cost) at a software problem to make up for Samsung's utterly ****ty track record with regards to software integration and quality control. Heck, look at ICS on the I9100 - they couldn't even get basic cpufreq policy limit implementation right with that release!
Samsung's architecture doesn't handle asymmetric core loading well at all. If you have one core maxed out, and want to run some light tasks on a second core - guess what, you have to light up that second core and run it at full tilt. Samsung has a whitepaper that claims this is a good thing, but if you look at their architecture closely (check the cpuidle driver in arch/arm/mach-exynos of their kernels...) you'll notice a nasty flaw - All of the deeper cpuidle states are disabled if more than one core is active. This means that the second core is consuming almost as much power as if it were running at 100% load even if it might only be running at 10% load. Snapdragon can actually reduce the clock/voltage of additional cores that are active but lightly loaded.
Of course, the most important thing is software integration - absolutely awesome hardware means nothing if the software supporting it is ****. Look at the Galaxy Nexus - Thanks to Google and TI doing a great job of integrating the "Project Butter" capabilities of Jellybean, the Galaxy Nexus delivers smoother UI performance with a dual 1.2 GHz Cortex-A9 than the GS3 can with quad 1.4 GHz A9s...
That is what you will get with the Galaxy S4 - Awesome hardware paired with utterly crap software, leading to an overall crap experience. With the Xperia Z, you'll get great hardware paired with great software - for an overall great experience.
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If you love development and love open source, sony is the way to go, (also the chipset being similar to the nexus 4 ) not just amazing hardware but their developer relations team is amazing! they would be extending support to developer and community here at xda. Unlike samsung which uses cheap materials and does not have a real aesthetic taste with industrial design, their software department is really in a mess. They never releases driver binaries. Most of their code is outdated and has bugs. and lately each device software or upgrade comes with brickable bugs and security issues.
Those who are looking for hardware.. technology will keep becoming more compact and billion times powerful every month now, its exponential growth, so if we keep waiting for the next and the next, we will also be stuck in a loop of waiting. By the time s4 is announce, sony or htc would announce an even better phone.. so we would love to wait for that.. it is endless.
So the idea is to go for a device you instantly love, and not wait.. and go for a device where the OEM gives fantastic developer support!

how does one make a topic like this when the s4 isn't even out
i don't understand it
like is the fanboyism and anti-fanboyism within android communities this bad? that we can't even talk about one new phone coming out without talking about another one that you have no idea about whatsoever?
like really. the topic is called 'top reasons to get the xperia z instead of s4'
the s4 doesn't exist yet, is a starter. you don't know anything about it, is another. you have not even the slightest semblance as to what it could be like is yet another. the rest of the list kind of goes on in the same fashion.
why not wait for the s4 to be announced before making a trollbait thread like this?

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how does one make a topic like this when the s4 isn't even out
i don't understand it
like is the fanboyism and anti-fanboyism within android communities this bad? that we can't even talk about one new phone coming out without talking about another one that you have no idea about whatsoever?
like really. the topic is called 'top reasons to get the xperia z instead of s4'
the s4 doesn't exist yet, is a starter. you don't know anything about it, is another. you have not even the slightest semblance as to what it could be like is yet another. the rest of the list kind of goes on in the same fashion.
why not wait for the s4 to be announced before making a trollbait thread like this?
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Because Samsung didnt provide needed sources, same story was on SGS2 and is now on SGS3. Samsung promised them with deadline end of 2012, but as far as I know, sources wasnt released. Because of that, CM development on SGS3 has almost stopped and question is if SGS4 will get CM support. On other side, according to devs Sony support dev community, provide sources, so they can build more stable roms in much shorter time. That is a reason why I will try Xperia Z - hardware is good enough, looks very premium and I expect much better development on it.
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AW: Top "Reasons" to get the Xperia Z instead of s4
cloud9x said:
how does one make a topic like this when the s4 isn't even out
i don't understand it
like is the fanboyism and anti-fanboyism within android communities this bad? that we can't even talk about one new phone coming out without talking about another one that you have no idea about whatsoever?
like really. the topic is called 'top reasons to get the xperia z instead of s4'
the s4 doesn't exist yet, is a starter. you don't know anything about it, is another. you have not even the slightest semblance as to what it could be like is yet another. the rest of the list kind of goes on in the same fashion.
why not wait for the s4 to be announced before making a trollbait thread like this?
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I kind of agree with you but I also agree with androidindian... I am now about 2 and a half years with Android and had 2 Samsung phones... They just are bad: non quality materials, bad support for developers and they take too long to update and when they do its mostly bad aswell... I agree that we can't talk bad or good about a phone that isn't even out yet but I can imagine that Samsung will not do a better job it did before^^
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Absolutely mate. its not about being a fan boy or not liking a company or something. I use apple, windows and android products.. and i love all of them..
I love technology and I love android and its open source environment.
The idea is so educate and make others aware of my or our experiences with samsung.. and I don't want others to go through the same experiences and pain which we have gone through.
Samsung is really bad with its development friendliness.. they are highly closed sourced and even if they release any sources, are very "buggy". They don't care about the development community .. all they care is selling as much as possible..
a lot of the users here might not know the issues samsung has towards development.. they don't care about anything.. just releasing phones in quantity and not focusing on quality.
The idea is to just let others know about the cores, and development status of samsung, after all people spend money and get dissapointed instantly.
The reason im definitely going for sony is, that CM and aokp upbringing is so quick and sony developer relation team is very friendly and supportive.. http://developer.sonymobile.com/
dont we love having the latest and greatest of android?
its always an issue with samsung in that case.

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Because Samsung didnt provide needed sources, same story was on SGS2 and is now on SGS3. Samsung promised them with deadline end of 2012, but as far as I know, sources wasnt released. Because of that, CM development on SGS3 has almost stopped and question is if SGS4 will get CM support. On other side, according to devs Sony support dev community, provide sources, so they can build more stable roms in much shorter time. That is a reason why I will try Xperia Z - hardware is good enough, looks very premium and I expect much better development on it.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778270 - the 10k reply CM10-10.1 thread on d2att forums.
The I9300 might have stopped development (having been an Exynos phone) but CM development is very well and happy with the i747. Developer support all comes down to yes, the ease of development but also how popular the phone itself is.

cloud9x said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778270 - the 10k reply CM10-10.1 thread on d2att forums.
The I9300 might have stopped development (having been an Exynos phone) but CM development is very well and happy with the i747. Developer support all comes down to yes, the ease of development but also how popular the phone itself is.
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everything is opensource gralloc, hwcomposer etc.. it doesnt even have working butter and some things are not working well too
its the genius of devs like entropy and codeworkx which made that happen but they are tired and unhappy of samsung not supporting them..

AlainDee said:
I kind of agree with you but I also agree with androidindian... I am now about 2 and a half years with Android and had 2 Samsung phones... They just are bad: non quality materials, bad support for developers and they take too long to update and when they do its mostly bad aswell... I agree that we can't talk bad or good about a phone that isn't even out yet but I can imagine that Samsung will not do a better job it did before^^
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Totally!

Please elaborate
b00gieMan_droid said:
Will copy paste same reply that i just posted on Another thread..
1) Sony is pathetic when it comes to warranty and policies not just in the country i live but around the world
2) I laugh at people considering Sony as a company producing good looking phones.. May be u think so about samsung coz you're some designer or wannabe designer kissing ass looking looking for dream job.. Sony had some of the best designs only while it was Sony Ericsson.. But not after it became xperia.
3) Again, built quality of Sony isn't great either! May be their exterior phone housing is, but their components suck. Samsung is cheap plastic outside but solid quality components inside.. Which is what matters.
4) Stop being ridiculous and stop bashing samsung for not being developer friendly.. If you want that then go for nexus phone.. As simple as that.
Samsung is SLOW, yes.. BUT it's not impossible. Also one can't blame manufacturers for updates when Google is raining new os or updates. If u dont know why am saying this then you don't even deserve to use a non nexus device. I do blame samsung for being retard about their bugs and issues and what not...
Last but not the least.. Sony display suck a#& big time.. Their brava and bright engine is just cheap gimmick. I have xperia s with me right now. Their camera also suck specially while doing hd recording. Yet to see z in person, which should happen soon for me
Can't say much about Sgs4 coz its pointless to waste time on it atm.
Yes samsung was ridiculously cheap quality.. But their built on note2 is quite sturdy and strong. Have an s3 and note2 in the house next to mine and I've seen note 2 bashed by small kid while playing games on it and it's freaking rock solid.
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Not to mention the hardware features that samsung provides at the price which Sony fails big time. Same with other brands Other than Sony.
Am Here not a fan boy of samsung or any brand.
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Could you please elaborate on your past experiences with Sony mobile ? I have not owned a Sony mobile so I cant say anything. I am as much interested in this product as the next guy and I would not want to drop my hard-earned cash on something which is gonna conk in 1 year. Although, I own a Sony LED TV, PS3, PS2 among others and they have been pretty much solid.

There's already another thread talking about those 2 phones.
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I have a question for those who have had Sony devices in the past.
I have heard it is nice and easy to unlock the bootloader on Sony phones.
Now is this the HTC style of unlock where some things are unlocked but others are not?
Also is it easy to do on a branded phone? If I get this phone it will likely be Three branded.
Thanks

cloud9x said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778270 - the 10k reply CM10-10.1 thread on d2att forums.
The I9300 might have stopped development (having been an Exynos phone) but CM development is very well and happy with the i747. Developer support all comes down to yes, the ease of development but also how popular the phone itself is.
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Your example was a Qualcomm-based device. The reason d2att is in good shape has NOTHING to do with Samsung and EVERYTHING to do with Qualcomm. Now that Qualcomm is selling baseband chips that don't require a Qualcomm host CPU, you're far less likely to ever see a Qualcomm-based Samsung flagship again.
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I have a question for those who have had Sony devices in the past.
I have heard it is nice and easy to unlock the bootloader on Sony phones.
Now is this the HTC style of unlock where some things are unlocked but others are not?
Also is it easy to do on a branded phone? If I get this phone it will likely be Three branded.
Thanks
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If your device is SIM-locked, it will almost surely NOT have an unlockable bootloader.
If it is branded but not SIMlocked it might have an unlockable bootloader.

dreamerAxe said:
Could you please elaborate on your past experiences with Sony mobile ? I have not owned a Sony mobile so I cant say anything. I am as much interested in this product as the next guy and I would not want to drop my hard-earned cash on something which is gonna conk in 1 year. Although, I own a Sony LED TV, PS3, PS2 among others and they have been pretty much solid.
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I own an X8 which its still in good shape even after some serious drops. My father`s samsung galaxy s plus never dropped it on solid stuff ,only on carpet and that shiny cover around the phone scratches and sounds like s**t . Both phones bought new with warranty so no second hand
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I will more than likely buy both the Z (if its avail in Canada) and the S4 but if Sony locks the bootloader it will make me think twice. I bought an ION over Xmas to use a back up phone and have some fun with only to find out I cant unlock the bootloader..I havent even taken it out of the box yet..no point lol and I will probably just dump it for cheap.

Samsung officially supports their 2011 flagship devices (S2, Note) with Jelly Bean. Sony is still struggling to support even their 2012 devices with Jelly Bean let alone the older ones.
All their support for CM / FXP is not worth a dime if the kernel / drivers don't support the features of the latest Android version. i.e. Project Butter.
So unless I see a drastic change in their firmware update policy, it will be the S4.
That's sad, because I think that the Z is one of the most beautiful phones I've ever seen with great hardware inside.

AlainDee said:
I kind of agree with you but I also agree with androidindian... I am now about 2 and a half years with Android and had 2 Samsung phones... They just are bad: non quality materials, bad support for developers and they take too long to update and when they do its mostly bad aswell... I agree that we can't talk bad or good about a phone that isn't even out yet but I can imagine that Samsung will not do a better job it did before^^
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I agree with Alain, well I guess Samsung get's too overly populated since it's the world's widest company and they couldnt handle all of the costumer's feedback, updates etc but I think they're trying to cope up coz I can't wait for the S4. I think it's going to be a great catch. Sony is also good, especially it's now starting to have great features than before. Well, let's see what happens this year

harise100 said:
Samsung officially supports their 2011 flagship devices (S2, Note) with Jelly Bean. Sony is still struggling to support even their 2012 devices with Jelly Bean let alone the older ones.
All their support for CM / FXP is not worth a dime if the kernel / drivers don't support the features of the latest Android version. i.e. Project Butter.
So unless I see a drastic change in their firmware update policy, it will be the S4.
That's sad, because I think that the Z is one of the most beautiful phones I've ever seen with great hardware inside.
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samsung updated s2, note to jb but they have postponed the updates each month from november onwards.
plus their software quality is really full of bugs. brick bugs, security exploits etc. really bad quality
i would always prefer them taking more time and not have such serious bugs atleast, even after leaking roms beforehand..
sony might have taken time before, but their os quality is really good!
also.. their developer relations team and support for cm and xda devs is just too good!
samsung doesn't even want to listen to developers..

androidindian said:
samsung updated s2, note to jb but they have postponed the updates each month from november onwards.
plus their software quality is really full of bugs. brick bugs, security exploits etc. really bad quality
i would always prefer them taking more time and not have such serious bugs atleast, even after leaking roms beforehand..
sony might have taken time before, but their os quality is really good!
also.. their developer relations team and support for cm and xda devs is just too good!
samsung doesn't even want to listen to developers..
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Hmm... I once had a Xperia Neo, which I passed on to my little sis and which I still do the maintainance for...
I have no grim against Sony but I don't share your enthusiasm either. (0% Bug, one-click rooters based on exploids, locked boot loaders,...) .
Time will tell.... I'll wait until all major companys have presented their 2013 flagships.

Entropy512 said:
If your device is SIM-locked, it will almost surely NOT have an unlockable bootloader.
If it is branded but not SIMlocked it might have an unlockable bootloader.
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If I could just get some further clarification here.
If a phone is SIM-locked (as most branded devices are?) and I then pay the carrier to get SIM lock removed, will this free up the bootloader in the process?

harise100 said:
Samsung officially supports their 2011 flagship devices (S2, Note) with Jelly Bean. Sony is still struggling to support even their 2012 devices with Jelly Bean let alone the older ones.
All their support for CM / FXP is not worth a dime if the kernel / drivers don't support the features of the latest Android version. i.e. Project Butter.
So unless I see a drastic change in their firmware update policy, it will be the S4.
That's sad, because I think that the Z is one of the most beautiful phones I've ever seen with great hardware inside.
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Dude, I switched from s3 to TX and Sony's implementation of ics is 100x faster than Samsung's jelly bean. Samsung pushes for quick updates but very buggy and they haven't implemented buttery smooth on crapwiz.
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Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/13/samsung-plastic-designs/
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They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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EnIXmA said:
They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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Lol, +1, couldn't agree more
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EnIXmA said:
They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.

I read this earlier, who knows if it's true. Seems like people just throw random stuff out in the hopes that it sticks. I mean, sooner or later something they say has to be right. I have always said that Samsung should buy HTC and let them design the hardware and let Samsung do the software. A match made in heaven.

Touchwiz on the One would make me ****ing puke.

Funkym0nkey said:
As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.
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You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense

hamdir said:
You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense
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Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....

Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I'm with you. Same story. Don't pay any attention to the other guy. He spews the same stuff over and over again.
As for Samsung, I'll believe it when I see it. I remember the S3 was supposed to be ceramic or something...
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What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story

hamdir said:
What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story
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I'd say battery life is a disappointment. My camera lens was scuffed within a week because of the design. My unit also had the Wi-Fi hardware defect. It has nothing to do with the HTC logo. I scrapped the Nexus 4 because of the weak glass too.
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Tetsumi06 said:
Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
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As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/

Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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Epic post, I feel the exact same way as I have used many phones from many different manufacturers, even different OS. The folks that enjoy tech the most are those that keep an open mind and see good things in all brands, not the close minded that are stubborn, in fact they are the most unhappy.

Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.

MohJee said:
I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.
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And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.

ataft said:
And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.
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Well I guess we all went way OT lol but one last point. You're right, being a loyal consumer is a good thing ( although I disagree that you should be like you mentioned, it's a personal choice). The issue is that some consumers are loyal to one brand and dismiss or try to discredit other brands or one brand in particular(definition of a fanboy), that's the issue that we are discussing.

Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.

BarryH_GEG said:
As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/
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There was a real image of an LCD S4 prototype. My friend said he had seen 3 different S4 prototypes. And the article of OP also mentioned about the metal prototype of S4.
And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)

Build quality goes out the window when you put a decent case on your phone so who cares man.

daleski75 said:
Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.
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Competition is the mother of innovation. Personally I set my top criteria when looking for a new phone: will it feel
robust in my hand. This always leads me back to aluminium (granted, 2nd criteria is: Not Apple)
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And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)
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I certainly don't want multi-window on any platform below 8 inches. No matter what res you're running there just isn't enough physical realestate (that chat-head that FB messenger pushed out is getting disabled! There's no part of the screen it WON'T get in the way)
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