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To cut a very long story short (as possible!) here is a letter i have written to the UK CEO of Vodafone:
Dear Mr Laurence,
I previously wrote to you regarding several issues that occurred for UK Vodafone customers who had been supplied by your company with an HTC HD2.
I applaud you for your swift action regarding this matter and most if not all of the problems surrounding the supply, warranty and functionality of this handset have been resolved.
You were the first of the major networks in the UK to release a ROM update for this device, but i feel this would not have happened without my letter to you or your prompt response.
I am therefore deeply saddened to have to write directly to you once more after discovering some disturbing facts about the supply of mobile internet to each and every one of your customers.
You may or may not be aware of a Live TV streaming service in the UK at tvcatchup.com.
This free streaming service requires a web browser that has adobe flash capabilities.
I have an HTC HD2 and know that by using the also freely available Skyfire browser i am able to view over 40 live TV channels directly on the tvcatchup.com website.
HOWEVER...
I recently discovered m.tvcatchup.com ... a mobile oriented version of the service. The mobile website allows you to choose whether you would like a high quality stream or a low quality version... your choice.
Another major difference between using m.tvcatchup.com and the normal website on an HTC HD2 is the live stream will run within the HD2's built in streaming player and not within a web browser window.
BUT...
Vodafone seem to be blocking any attempted connections by the in built streaming player to the free live TV stream.
The service works perfectly fine over wifi and also when using a T-Mobile SIM on the very same handset. I suspect it will also work with other network providers also but they remain untested by myself at present.
WHY ARE VODAFONE BLOCKING THIS SERVICE?
I would like this rectified as soon as possible as do many other UK Vodafone customers as seen by the response to this issue on your own customer support web forums.
I will remind you that i am a loyal customer of Vodafone UK and have been for more than 10 years. I pay my bills in full and on time every month including any data charges incurred by browsing the web over GPRS/3G/HSDPA.
What right do Vodafone have to restrict my service?
This is unacceptable.
What is even more astounding here is the discovery that the tvcatchup.com service streams perfectly well to the built in streaming app of a Vodafone supplied iPhone on the very same Vodafone UK network!
Why would this service be available to your iPhone customers without issue but blocked to everyone of your other customers?
I look forward to your response in this matter.
Kind Regards,
Hmm,an interesting read,very well written letter I must say mate.
I await their response,should be worth waiting for eh....
As a side point I have no problems with Virgin Mobile and TV Catchup.
Very well written letter I look forward to you're response you, get and as the above poster confirms I also have no problem using Virgin UK
Nice letter.
As a phone operator, Vodafone do suck root. I am stuck with the idiots for another 18 months and each month there are more revelations from them squeezing customers even more.
Let us know if you get a response.
Take the caps out, format it with italics. Caps are really bad grammar, otherwise a very nice letter.
Thanks for your support guys.
I cant actually believe the complete arrogance displayed by the moderators over at the Vodafone forums.
Read the following thread and you will see what i am on about: http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/topic/64258-mobile-internet-tv-catchup-streaming-blocked/
How are any of their customers supposed to voice their opinions if they keep locking threads?
thats great, lets just lock the thread every-time someone complains lol
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thats great, lets just lock the thread every-time someone complains lol
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i had another one completely deleted without a trace... shocking behaviour from a customer "support" forum.
I also have no problems using Orange UK
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i had another one completely deleted without a trace... shocking behaviour from a customer "support" forum.
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It's normal behaviour from the mods on there. Had plenty of posts and a thread deleted from their forum when the FUP mess exploded lol. I'm 1 warning away from a ban on there
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It's normal behaviour from the mods on there. Had plenty of posts and a thread deleted from their forum when the FUP mess exploded lol. I'm 1 warning away from a ban on there
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It has to stop to be fair. Their over zealous approach to anyone who has any complaint about their company is simply highlighting them as very sneaky corporate dictatorship. Its a totally bizzarre situation where a forum specifically designed to enable people to put up their complaints and have them resolved is being moderated in this manner.
I reposted the thread which was near instantly deleted from the VF eForum on the MSE forum http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2526069 as I know the Voda Web Team are authorised to reply in an official capacity on there... doubt they'll ever reply, they obviously don't like "difficult" questions
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I reposted the thread which was near instantly deleted from the VF eForum on the MSE forum http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2526069 as I know the Voda Web Team are authorised to reply in an official capacity on there... doubt they'll ever reply, they obviously don't like "difficult" questions
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I didnt know anything about that particular issue so thanks for the heads up.
I received a phone call from the Directors office earlier and was promised some answers with regard to streaming by end of play Monday. I will be sure to raise this data allowance issue also.
Just for the record i also mentioned the over zealous nature of the Vodafone e-forum team when it comes to muting the public on top of their constant posting of misinformation (i have had to correct them a number of times in relation to their own services). I am hopeful that this will get addressed in a proper manner.
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I received a phone call from the Directors office earlier and was promised some answers with regard to streaming by end of play Monday.
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It shows some commitment on their part that you're even getting a response from that sort of level. I couldn't imagine O2 doing the same.
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It shows some commitment on their part that you're even getting a response from that sort of level. I couldn't imagine O2 doing the same.
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I would hope so but to be honest i cant help but feel that they are responding to me in a timely manner due to my history with them :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=621788&highlight=rom+update+vodafone
As you can see (and as mentioned in my letter in the first post) this isnt the first time i felt the need to write to their CEO. Its not a good look for either party if this keeps happening.
I understand quite a few of the UK mobile operators are adding into the small print limitations on the data plans...
So where you think you have an unlimited data plan you actually have limitations on certain types of data.. ie internet or certain streaming sites...
I suspect Vodafone are doing this...
crispy514 said:
I understand quite a few of the UK mobile operators are adding into the small print limitations on the data plans...
So where you think you have an unlimited data plan you actually have limitations on certain types of data.. ie internet or certain streaming sites...
I suspect Vodafone are doing this...
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To be fair they are entitled to restrict any content they want on their own network. The real issue here is the simple inconsistent, unfair and unbalanced nature of their restrictions. I quoted TV Catchup as a perfect example as iPhone users have no problem streaming from m.tvcatchup.com ... so what about everyone else? Yes HD2 users can use skyfire and stream directly in the browser using the normal website, but the point is the restrictions should either apply for everyone or no-one.
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I didnt know anything about that particular issue so thanks for the heads up.
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I did email our friend Guy after the Web Team messed up again... Basically the story goes thus:
1) After they said on 1st June we could swap the "unlimited" 500MB data allowance for a 1GB one, I asked them to do exactly that and received an email confirmation from the web team that they had changed my plan to 1GB, and that the price, contract end date and all other allowances would remain as they were. After 3 weeks of email (mis)communication, I thought it was finally all sorted...
2) the day after that, and in true VF style, I got a "you have exceeded your 500MB data allowance text" so as I was now on a 1GB allowance I tought it could be one of 2 things: a) the system hadn't quite caught up with itself or b) the VF Web Team had f****d up again. Hmmm better check which so email back to the web team...
3) reply from them "sorry I made a mistake, you cannot have unlimited landlines with the new plan, so what I set up didn't save". Eh? Where does it say that in their announcement.
4) Toys out of the pram time, email to Guy which resulted in the people from the Director's Office to get in touch and we managed to agree an "acceptable compromise"
332 days until the end of my contract and after that it's bye bye Vodafail.
Edit: Ooooh I seem to have earned myself yet another "final warning" (erm, that's my 3rd final warning lol) from the VF mods, I'm scaaaaaaaaared, they are threatening to ban me Oh and all I did was suggest to some girl who was going nowhere with CS to email the CEO to get things moving, I did not give the name or the email address. Apparently my post was not "providing help or guidance to others"... muppets...
Related story posted on the Register:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/18/vodafone_rtsp/
leaving vodafone was the best move i ever made. their customer service is shocking. i left them about 6 months ago and still get "your bill is available to view online" emails from them......WTF !?!.
Hey guys, does anybody know or have a wise guess as to when we'll have this device with the French operators (SFR, Orange...)
I know Bouygues has it for contract renewal but not new contracts, and Fnac.com says they will have it the 20th.
This is really stupid, i mean the American operators have all announced theirs and made communications campaigns (if we can call these campaigns) and the British and Aussies have it out. But the French ones, what a bunch of idiots, we have absolutely no clue, and the retailers don't even know the phone exists, they think it's the Spica or something [Rant OFF]
So, if anyone has any educated guess, that would help.
Cheers
virgin has it for 29€ with a new paradyse contract
I'm gonna buy mine from www.phoneandphone.com on SFR
My main issue with Virgin is that their coverage is not as good as the other big 2.5 (mostly Orange and SFR) and their speed is rather slow as well.
I'd be very careful with phoneandphone.com, it's what i wanted to do at first but i kept reading some terrible reviews, the few shops they have in Paris had horrible reviews as well so i decided against it.
So I guess your best bet is to buy from eBay? A brand new unlocked from Germany is around 465 euros
Lol. Virgin is on Orange's network so the coverage is the same.
But yeah, the speed totally sucks.
Yea ur right Virgin is on the same network but they have a speed cap (3G only and not 3G+)
Phone is officially available on Bouygues however. They have some interesting offer, only major major issue is that you can't download files larger than 5mb on HTTP, which renders downloading docs, updates, podcats, webradio... impossible. It's a big concern people are really complaining about.
Can anybody on Bouygues re-confirm this is still the case?
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But the French ones, what a bunch of idiots, we have absolutely no clue, and the retailers don't even know the phone exists, they think it's the Spica or something [Rant OFF]
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Hahaha. Had the exact same experiences here in Denmark. And they were in carrier stores. The sales staff didn't even know of the Galaxy S less than a week before they started selling it... I'm guessing they're NOT phone geeks.
Regards
Ok, so here’s my story:
Not too long ago, I bought myself a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7”. Ever since the device was announced by Samsung, I thought this was one of the coolest ideas since sliced bread. I could have a device roughly the size of a small book that pretty much did everything the iPad could do, and then some (like take pictures and run flash). On top of that, it was capable of making and receiving phone calls and text messages. Finally, a device that literally would do EVERYTHING I needed; no more need to lug around a netbook, a phone, a GPS in my car, or an iPod.
Not all was as peachy as I would have hoped however. Initially, it didn’t look as though this wonderful piece of technology would make it to American soil at all. Then, when it did, it was deliberately crippled for the North American market so that its native ability to make or receive regular phone calls and text messages was disabled at the software level. What a terrible thing to do! I was so disappointed by this news that I nearly abandoned any desire to head down to my local AT&T store to buy it. To add insult to injury, the only way AT&T offered the Tab was on a no-contract pay-as-you-go data plan, which is ludicrously expensive, particularly when compared with the fact that I’m one of the lucky customers who is grandfathered in to an unlimited data plan.
Eventually, however, my desire to own this device got the better of me, so I finally dished out the cash (and it was not cheap either!) for an unlocked and unbranded Tab which had the phone calling and texting abilities right out of the box. I popped the SIM card from my AT&T smartphone into my new Tab, fired it up, and started enjoying what was, up until recently, the best mobile user experience I have ever known.
I started referring to my Tab as my “Do-Everything-Device,” because it literally DID do everything I needed right from one device! It replaced my netbook, my phone, my GPS, my iPod, my Kindle, and the CD player/Radio in my car! It was so liberating not to have a phone attached to my hip and a bag on my shoulder for everything else I used to have to lug around with me. Sure there were occasions where carrying around a phone the size of a small book would have been ridiculous, but that’s what swapping SIM cards is for right? I’d simply switch back to my smartphone when the situation called for it.
Then things took a turn for the worse when AT&T started getting involved… Apparently this kind of quality user experience was not meant to be. I had received an automated text message one day telling me that I needed to be on the “proper data plan,” and that if I weren’t my service could be changed or suspended. Being a loyal paying customer to AT&T in its various previous incarnations for about 11 years now, and having an unlimited data plan on my line (which I should note I was NOT abusing; I generally used about 4 – 5GB or so per billing cycle), I was perplexed as to why I would have been receiving that message. So I called into customer service to inquire.
Upon some minor investigation on the customer service rep’s part, I was informed that the issue was that I was swapping back and forth between my Galaxy Tab and my smartphone (which it may be noted is a Samsung Captivate), and that I should stop doing that. Stop swapping out my SIM card between two of my most used devices? Really? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of having a SIM card in the first place? Still perplexed as to why this was an issue, I brought the matter to the attention of AT&T’s Office of the President to hopefully find some resolution to the problem. The gentleman I spoke with said he would investigate further and get back to me with his findings. A week later, get back to me he did! At first I thought, “Great! The highest level of customer service has come to bring me good news of a fair and reasonable compromise or resolution!” Little did I know he came to bear me bad news indeed…
The representative informed me that the issue wasn’t that I was swapping my SIM card per se, but rather the issue was with my Galaxy Tab specifically. Basically, I was told that AT&T’s intended use for the Galaxy Tab, regardless of where it was purchased, and regardless of whether it was carrier locked or unlocked or any of that, was that it was to be used as a data-only device, and furthermore as a pay-as-you-go data only device! I was basically given the option to get a pay-as-you-go SIM and use my Tab as AT&T intended it to be used (not as Samsung intended), or not use it at all, sorry. I was directed to the service agreement for “Specified Device Session-Based Plans.”
Excuse me? Sorry, but I don’t want to pay-as-I-go for data! I’m already paying for unlimited data, and there is nothing in those terms of service that say I can’t put my SIM card in whatever device I want, provided I’m not violating those terms! The representative proceeded to tell me that a user such as myself only accounted for a minority of the people subscribed, and that the current data plans AT&T offers caters to the majority. Ok, fine, cater to the majority. I get that. However, even as a lucky customer who has an unlimited data package, and even as a minority who chooses to stay informed about the latest technology, I should still be catered to as well. I mean, that’s what customer service is right? Making sure your customers’ needs are catered to? He said that the reason AT&T doesn’t still offer unlimited data is that “The average user only consumes about 2 or less GB a month.” Sure, that may be true for the average user currently, and it may be true furthermore for the average user who cares more about phones calls, text messages and Facebook updates more than frequently browsing rich web content and going to Youtube on their phone etc. However, with the much faster networks that are being deployed, and with more data intensive and media rich web content available today and tomorrow, that 2GB is going to be a bite-sized portion to the “average user” very shortly…
In my frustration, I argued that I am paying for the service to the SIM, not service to the device itself (otherwise what’s the point of the SIM in the first place?). As such, there shouldn’t be any issue with my circumventing AT&T’s artificial limitations on their branded Galaxy Tab’s hardware by buying directly from the manufacturer at a premium. I should be able to use my SIM in any device of my choosing, so long as I’m not violating the terms of service to that line, which I’m not (as I mentioned earlier, there was nothing in the Terms of Service that explicitly said I couldn’t use my SIM card in a tablet device.) Furthermore, I argued that the only real differences between the hardware in my Tab and the hardware in my Captivate were screen size, battery size, and the presence or absence of a front camera. For all the times I was told “Yes sir, I understand,” it really didn’t seem like he really understood…
It seems AT&T (and indeed any other US carrier which supplies a crippled Tab, or any other device) doesn’t want you to have a “Do Everything Device.” It’s bad for business! Why would they support a device that does everything your tablet or netbook does and everything your smartphone does, all on your single line subscription? Of course they’re going to cripple the Tab, because they want you to buy separate devices with separate line subscriptions and more money in their pockets! Not to mention, AT&T probably doesn’t want something that would have, up until recently, directly competed with the iPad, and frankly outdone it in some ways (when’s the last time you could make carrier phone calls, not SIP or VoIP, and text message on your iPad right out of the box?). I suppose that’s corporate America for you… What ever happened to providing superior service at the best value though?
So, if you are on AT&T, and you own a Galaxy Tab or are interested in getting one (or any other tablet on AT&T for that matter), here are some things to watch out for and speak out to:
AT&T is sweeping their network for devices by their IMEI, and if your device does not match up to whatever plan they want you to be on based on that device, your service could be changed or suspended.
If you have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, AT&T is doing the best they can to get you OFF of that plan by being very specific about what devices can be used with those plans.
I am only one person, and as one person, my voice has fallen upon the deaf ears of a very large company. As such, I urge you to speak out as a collective to AT&T, tell them about this situation, and others which likewise are upsetting to you as a customer. AT&T can ignore one person, but not a crowd…
Don’t contact customer service. Go straight to the source! Call AT&T’s office of the president at 866-751-5784 (option 1). Also, speak out on their Facebook page. Talk to your friends and family, spread the word!
EDIT: Here's a petition to sign.
honestly what is the point? i feel sorry for you americans - if the tmobile at&t merge goes through then there will only be 1 GSM carrier (i may be wrong) in the US and the rest will be CDMA - and that means that all the foreign visitors will be on 1 bad network.
The problem with any network "merger" is that you always get the lowest common denominator.
Up to the end of last year, I was on T-Mobile UK, but when my contract came up I left and went to Three. Retentions called and asked why I was leaving, and I explained that Three had a truly unlimited data plan and TMo UK had a 3GB FUP (which was pretty good to be fair).
The CS Rep swore blind that TMo UK would never do anything to uphold the FUP, but I stood my ground and left anyway because I *knew* that the merger with Orange could only ever end up with their plans becoming roughly analogous.
True to form, less than 1 month later, TMo UK reduced their "download" allowance to 500MB bringing them roughly in line with their sister brand, Orange.
Regards,
Dave
There are others, see this thread (if you haven't already).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000921 (I have a post in there.)
FTR, I'm using AT&T SGT as a phone and data device, just not using 3G (or mythical 4G for that matter) data. You can't swing a dead cat w/out hitting a wireless AP so why hassle with AT&T over their expensive, slow 3G (if you're lucky) connections/data.
I hated AT&T so bad I dumped them years back and went Cingular. Well, I guess they wanted me back so bad...they went and bought Cingular
Thanks for the contact info. I'll rattle the cage.
Thanks for sharing, you have taken this a great leap farther then I have.
I love your justifications, definately will call tomorrow, more people that call, better chance of a change ( I can dream).
Again, I say what about some kind of class action for this, Maybe we should get a bounty going. I would give $100.00 towards the suit. And if more is needed, I would contribute.
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There are others, see this thread (if you haven't already).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000921 (I have a post in there.)
FTR, I'm using AT&T SGT as a phone and data device, just not using 3G (or mythical 4G for that matter) data. You can't swing a dead cat w/out hitting a wireless AP so why hassle with AT&T over their expensive, slow 3G (if you're lucky) connections/data.
I hated AT&T so bad I dumped them years back and went Cingular. Well, I guess they wanted me back so bad...they went and bought Cingular
Thanks for the contact info. I'll rattle the cage.
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Att 3g data is slow? LOLWUT. Have a look at Verizon's 3g speeds.
-Sent from my Galaxy Tab
And to the OP, I just ordered a new phone today from att. They did not once attempt to get me off of my unlimited data plan.
-Sent from my Galaxy Tab
lockheedload said:
And to the OP, I just ordered a new phone today from att. They did not once attempt to get me off of my unlimited data plan.
-Sent from my Galaxy Tab
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The issue (at least for the moment) isn't so much that AT&T will take away your unlimited data plan or not (although that WOULD be an annoyance), the issue is that AT&T doesn't want us using our Galaxy Tab's as phone devices, because that's not how THEY intended it to be used. AT&T would rather we have two SIM cards. One for a tablet device, and one for a phone device; not one SIM card for one device that just "does it all."
If they're artificially crippling the native capabilities of a device in order to force consumers into buying multiple devices to make up for those limitations, then they're price gouging, plain and simple.
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Ok, so here’s my story:
Not too long ago, I bought myself a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7”. Ever since the device was announced by Samsung, I thought this was one of the coolest ideas since sliced bread. I could have a device roughly the size of a small book that pretty much did everything the iPad could do, and then some (like take pictures and run flash). On top of that, it was capable of making and receiving phone calls and text messages. Finally, a device that literally would do EVERYTHING I needed; no more need to lug around a netbook, a phone, a GPS in my car, or an iPod.
Not all was as peachy as I would have hoped however. Initially, it didn’t look as though this wonderful piece of technology would make it to American soil at all. Then, when it did, it was deliberately crippled for the North American market so that its native ability to make or receive regular phone calls and text messages was disabled at the software level. What a terrible thing to do! I was so disappointed by this news that I nearly abandoned any desire to head down to my local AT&T store to buy it. To add insult to injury, the only way AT&T offered the Tab was on a no-contract pay-as-you-go data plan, which is ludicrously expensive, particularly when compared with the fact that I’m one of the lucky customers who is grandfathered in to an unlimited data plan.
Eventually, however, my desire to own this device got the better of me, so I finally dished out the cash (and it was not cheap either!) for an unlocked and unbranded Tab which had the phone calling and texting abilities right out of the box. I popped the SIM card from my AT&T smartphone into my new Tab, fired it up, and started enjoying what was, up until recently, the best mobile user experience I have ever known.
I started referring to my Tab as my “Do-Everything-Device,” because it literally DID do everything I needed right from one device! It replaced my netbook, my phone, my GPS, my iPod, my Kindle, and the CD player/Radio in my car! It was so liberating not to have a phone attached to my hip and a bag on my shoulder for everything else I used to have to lug around with me. Sure there were occasions where carrying around a phone the size of a small book would have been ridiculous, but that’s what swapping SIM cards is for right? I’d simply switch back to my smartphone when the situation called for it.
Then things took a turn for the worse when AT&T started getting involved… Apparently this kind of quality user experience was not meant to be. I had received an automated text message one day telling me that I needed to be on the “proper data plan,” and that if I weren’t my service could be changed or suspended. Being a loyal paying customer to AT&T in its various previous incarnations for about 11 years now, and having an unlimited data plan on my line (which I should note I was NOT abusing; I generally used about 4 – 5GB or so per billing cycle), I was perplexed as to why I would have been receiving that message. So I called into customer service to inquire.
Upon some minor investigation on the customer service rep’s part, I was informed that the issue was that I was swapping back and forth between my Galaxy Tab and my smartphone (which it may be noted is a Samsung Captivate), and that I should stop doing that. Stop swapping out my SIM card between two of my most used devices? Really? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of having a SIM card in the first place? Still perplexed as to why this was an issue, I brought the matter to the attention of AT&T’s Office of the President to hopefully find some resolution to the problem. The gentleman I spoke with said he would investigate further and get back to me with his findings. A week later, get back to me he did! At first I thought, “Great! The highest level of customer service has come to bring me good news of a fair and reasonable compromise or resolution!” Little did I know he came to bear me bad news indeed…
The representative informed me that the issue wasn’t that I was swapping my SIM card per se, but rather the issue was with my Galaxy Tab specifically. Basically, I was told that AT&T’s intended use for the Galaxy Tab, regardless of where it was purchased, and regardless of whether it was carrier locked or unlocked or any of that, was that it was to be used as a data-only device, and furthermore as a pay-as-you-go data only device! I was basically given the option to get a pay-as-you-go SIM and use my Tab as AT&T intended it to be used (not as Samsung intended), or not use it at all, sorry. I was directed to the service agreement for “Specified Device Session-Based Plans.”
Excuse me? Sorry, but I don’t want to pay-as-I-go for data! I’m already paying for unlimited data, and there is nothing in those terms of service that say I can’t put my SIM card in whatever device I want, provided I’m not violating those terms! The representative proceeded to tell me that a user such as myself only accounted for a minority of the people subscribed, and that the current data plans AT&T offers caters to the majority. Ok, fine, cater to the majority. I get that. However, even as a lucky customer who has an unlimited data package, and even as a minority who chooses to stay informed about the latest technology, I should still be catered to as well. I mean, that’s what customer service is right? Making sure your customers’ needs are catered to? He said that the reason AT&T doesn’t still offer unlimited data is that “The average user only consumes about 2 or less GB a month.” Sure, that may be true for the average user currently, and it may be true furthermore for the average user who cares more about phones calls, text messages and Facebook updates more than frequently browsing rich web content and going to Youtube on their phone etc. However, with the much faster networks that are being deployed, and with more data intensive and media rich web content available today and tomorrow, that 2GB is going to be a bite-sized portion to the “average user” very shortly…
In my frustration, I argued that I am paying for the service to the SIM, not service to the device itself (otherwise what’s the point of the SIM in the first place?). As such, there shouldn’t be any issue with my circumventing AT&T’s artificial limitations on their branded Galaxy Tab’s hardware by buying directly from the manufacturer at a premium. I should be able to use my SIM in any device of my choosing, so long as I’m not violating the terms of service to that line, which I’m not (as I mentioned earlier, there was nothing in the Terms of Service that explicitly said I couldn’t use my SIM card in a tablet device.) Furthermore, I argued that the only real differences between the hardware in my Tab and the hardware in my Captivate were screen size, battery size, and the presence or absence of a front camera. For all the times I was told “Yes sir, I understand,” it really didn’t seem like he really understood…
It seems AT&T (and indeed any other US carrier which supplies a crippled Tab, or any other device) doesn’t want you to have a “Do Everything Device.” It’s bad for business! Why would they support a device that does everything your tablet or netbook does and everything your smartphone does, all on your single line subscription? Of course they’re going to cripple the Tab, because they want you to buy separate devices with separate line subscriptions and more money in their pockets! Not to mention, AT&T probably doesn’t want something that would have, up until recently, directly competed with the iPad, and frankly outdone it in some ways (when’s the last time you could make carrier phone calls, not SIP or VoIP, and text message on your iPad right out of the box?). I suppose that’s corporate America for you… What ever happened to providing superior service at the best value though?
So, if you are on AT&T, and you own a Galaxy Tab or are interested in getting one (or any other tablet on AT&T for that matter), here are some things to watch out for and speak out to:
AT&T is sweeping their network for devices by their IMEI, and if your device does not match up to whatever plan they want you to be on based on that device, your service could be changed or suspended.
If you have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, AT&T is doing the best they can to get you OFF of that plan by being very specific about what devices can be used with those plans.
I am only one person, and as one person, my voice has fallen upon the deaf ears of a very large company. As such, I urge you to speak out as a collective to AT&T, tell them about this situation, and others which likewise are upsetting to you as a customer. AT&T can ignore one person, but not a crowd…
Don’t contact customer service. Go straight to the source! Call AT&T’s office of the president at 866-751-5784 (option 1). Also, speak out on their Facebook page. Talk to your friends and family, spread the word!
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I am not on AT&T network any more I moved to sprint a few months before the Iphone came out its been that long, However AT&T is well with in there right to limit what device is allowed to do what on there network. Its sad that they would do that but in there contract agreement it is listed there.
Since this has completely ticked you off I would suggest you move carriers if you truly want to show them how unhappy you are with there service. Calling and complaining really isnt going to do you any good since you are in the minority of users that do what you described.
just my 2 cents
In europe the wireless operators are selling services - like phone calls and data. In US they are selling devices capable of calling or having data.
This diffrenece means that in eu if I don't like something I can move to difirenet operator and keep devices. In us you can't. that is why are people complaing that at&t is messing with them. Cause if they go to other provider they need to pay again for every device. In my home country hspa+ is still caled 3g, dataplan 12Gig for 19eur/month included all taxes
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Since this has completely ticked you off I would suggest you move carriers if you truly want to show them how unhappy you are with there service. Calling and complaining really isnt going to do you any good since you are in the minority of users that do what you described.
just my 2 cents
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I would gladly switch carriers if it weren't for the fact that I do a lot of international traveling, and Sprint/Verizon both being CDMA carriers is a deal-breaker for me. I'm with AT&T because of the GSM bands it supports, and that's it. If it weren't for that, if Sprint and Verizon were GSM carriers too, just like most of the rest of the world, I'd have switched a long time ago without a doubt.
The other thing is, for the most part I'm not entirely unhappy with the service AT&T provides, when it's providing service to the equipment I use as that equipment was designed. I only have an issue when it's clear that they are imposing artificial schemes which force customers into a price gouging situation.
Crippling the native features of one device (i.e. phone calling on the Tab) in order to force the consumer into buying ANOTHER device and ANOTHER line subscription in order to fulfill that function, which was artificially crippled on the other device, THAT to me is price gouging.
AT&T absolutely has the right to lay out their own criteria for HOW their network is used. Likewise, the customers have the right to make enough of a fuss to AT&T about WHAT they can use on their network, particularly when they're not violating the HOW part of the ToS.
If we all as consumers are complacent and passive enough to just lay down and go with the attitude of "Oh well, it's their network, and they can treat us however they want with it..." then AT&T (and any company for that matter) will take advantage of that and gouge us for as much money as they can get.
I'm arguing that we've reached an "Enough is enough" point from the customer's perspective, and I am urging as many people as I can to speak out in a common voice to say "This is what we want. Please deliver."
If you don't like something, don't just say "Oh well..." and keep it to yourself. Express yourself, and make your issues known, and band together with people who share the same concerns, otherwise nothing will ever change for the betterment of the user.
Ok I think you need a better example what is fundamentally wrong with your wireless providers. Lets say the you would buy and electric drill and you use it as screwdriver as well. The power company would you charge $ more for that. And if you say no I go to someone else they say you need new drill cause it does not work on our grid. And cause of that some has made a standard power gird. Or am I wrong? If you solve this problem you get better service.
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In europe the wireless operators are selling services - like phone calls and data. In US they are selling devices capable of calling or having data.
This diffrenece means that in eu if I don't like something I can move to difirenet operator and keep devices. In us you can't. that is why are people complaing that at&t is messing with them. Cause if they go to other provider they need to pay again for every device. In my home country hspa+ is still caled 3g, dataplan 12Gig for 19eur/month included all taxes
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Exactly! And that's the thing, in America, we're in a largely CDMA network environment, where you can't just so easily keep on piece of hardware and jump from one carrier to another like you can with GSM using a SIM card. I mean you can still jump from one CDMA carrier to another using the same hardware, but it's a big hassle... Nowhere near as simple as popping in a different SIM card.
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Ok I think you need a better example what is fundamentally wrong with your wireless providers. Lets say the you would buy and electric drill and you use it as screwdriver as well. The power company would you charge $ more for that. And if you say no I go to someone else they say you need new drill cause it does not work on our grid. And cause of that some has made a standard power gird. Or am I wrong? If you solve this problem you get better service.
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No, the issue it this:
The Galaxy Tab, directly from Samsung and in virtually every other market throughout the world, makes and receives phone calls and text messages just the same as any other smartphone can.
AT&T (and pretty much all other US carriers) have artificially (that is, on the software level, not hardware) disabled those native capabilities. In essence, they've crippled the functionality of the device.
The consumer is therefore forced to buy and carry two devices with them (a phone AND a tablet) in order to fulfill the complete functionality and user experience desired, in addition to paying for TWO separate lines.
My point is that if there is an option to use ONE device, which when unhindered can fulfill the duties of BOTH phone AND tablet, and AT&T FORCES you out of that option, and therefore FORCES you into paying more money, when you really don't have to, then THAT is price gouging.
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Since this has completely ticked you off I would suggest you move carriers if you truly want to show them how unhappy you are with there service. Calling and complaining really isnt going to do you any good since you are in the minority of users that do what you described.
just my 2 cents
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Or we could get a http://www.groubal.com/ petition going and see just how many people are considered minority. I be it is not a minority,
Whos to say the SGT users are a minority.
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Exactly! And that's the thing, in America, we're in a largely CDMA network environment, where you can't just so easily keep on piece of hardware and jump from one carrier to another like you can with GSM using a SIM card. I mean you can still jump from one CDMA carrier to another using the same hardware, but it's a big hassle... Nowhere near as simple as popping in a different SIM card.
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check ur PM
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
No, the issue it this:
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AT&T (and pretty much all other US carriers) have artificially (that is, on the software level, not hardware) disabled those native capabilities. In essence, they've crippled the functionality of the device.
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You don't understand the point. They can do it cause you have no other easy choise. (anti competitivie)
You should have standard, I am not saying GSM or SIM etc.
But to understand look at europe. (I am european, but that is not the point)
SIM - is external (that is the point of it)!!!... it's easy to change (dead phone... just borrow frends old and you fixed till you get new),
Protocol (GSM etc) is defined for allowed spectrum.
Defined Spectrum and no other. (they still need to buy the spectrum)
This gives you posibility of selling GSM phones without carriers cripple them.
So your US problem is free market. Sorry to say it that way I know you mostly proud of that. (Lest leave this alone... ).
Just I can see competition in this market as a bit virtual. (at least to me)
(check your history about power gird you will find that standards are sometimes needed for better consumer protection.)
Please no flame war.
mine just got blocked.
i got the email yesterday telling me to change it back to my phone or call in to discuss options for the tab. so i did at my first opportunity...
i just got blocked and then an email sent to me saying to call in and that it may be blocked on both devices...
awesome, just awesome...
This is a perfect example as to why i am dreading the att/tmo merger. I am a current tmo customer and i am currently using my tab as a phone like many tmo/att customers. I have called a few times to tmo customer service regarding different minor issues and they know that i am using the tab as my phone, because i have told them, and they have not said anything they just mention how good of a devise it is and all that stuff, no issues.
Basically i am on an unlimited android plan $24.99 and of course the voice is extra. Now since this is supposed to last a year before it goes through (i really hope not) i will probably be at the end of my contract if the merger goes through and i am sure i will be forced to make changes to my plan: first i would need to chose one of their plans (god know what they will be then and how much) and second, forget about even using my tab as i am currently using it. If they do this to their own customers they i dread to think what they will do to the tmo customers that decide to stay with them once their contracts are up.
So my question is what would be the chances of me keeping my original plan on a month to month basis and not sign a new contract? (don't want to sign a new contract as i am planning to move to the UK around 2013 if everything goes as planned), who knows the answer to this but all i can say that it is not looking good for us tmo customers that are used to good customer service.
A sad, sad day for us all!!!!!
honggee said:
mine just got blocked.
i got the email yesterday telling me to change it back to my phone or call in to discuss options for the tab. so i did at my first opportunity...
i just got blocked and then an email sent to me saying to call in and that it may be blocked on both devices...
awesome, just awesome...
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and i am sure there is nothing anyone can do about this, either comply or move to sprint/verizon. i feel your pain even though i am not an att customer.
Dear friends of XDA, I really love HTC brand. But when you spend us$1000 for mobile device, at least U want it work.
HTC said to me, I have to send my phone for service in China, the other side of the world becouse I live in Agrentina.
It is not a cheap phone, what do you mean about HTC service system?
I was so angry, so I make this site: www.htc-eatmyshorts.com.ar . Id you have any similar problem with us friend HTC, in a litle time U can leave your comment in there.
Sorry about my english.
you spent $1000 on an HD2?
you got ripped off ? even when the HD2 was released it was no where near $1000 . HTC has nothing to do with it, and law does not protect the stupid. No offense.
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you got ripped off ? even when the HD2 was released it was no where near $1000 . HTC has nothing to do with it, and law does not protect the stupid. No offense.
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Well it still costs 1000 USD here in Turkey. The desire HD has a lower retail price than the HD2, unbelievable right? Well that's just the way things are in some markets. Here you can get and experia 10 for about 200 dollars less than a hd2. The iphone 4 on the other hand cost 1500 the last time I checked. That is a 600 dollar phone in the US if I'm not mistaken. So some markets have their quirks.....
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Well it still costs 1000 USD here in Turkey. The desire HD has a lower retail price than the HD2, unbelievable right? Well that's just the way things are in some markets. Here you can get and experia 10 for about 200 dollars less than a hd2. The iphone 4 on the other hand cost 1500 the last time I checked. That is a 600 dollar phone in the US if I'm not mistaken. So some markets have their quirks.....
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Man that SUCKS!!!!! They are way over charging you guy cover there, I truly feel for you. I would order my devices of the internet from sellers in other parts of the world to not have to pay so much.
That is a flat outrage man.
With a lot less offense, I can tell you that the law does not protect people with low IQ. But it does not matter if it costs 500 600 or 1200.
On this site you can find it as a cell phone in our country.
http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar...sire-hd-andoride-22-wifi-gps-camara-80-mp-_JM
Today, you can say you learned something!
guauuu! Congratulations!
My HD2 T9193 was $949. I know how you feel, OP.
Making another site to screw them isn't enough.
I once been told that my world wide warranty isnt support in Malaysia.
WTH? Does worldwide exclude malaysia? lolx
With the warranty book it self and my purchase receipt, i can get it fix in any HTC service center world wide, why not malaysia?
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HD2 Clone
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T-Macgnolia said:
Man that SUCKS!!!!! They are way over charging you guy cover there, I truly feel for you. I would order my devices of the internet from sellers in other parts of the world to not have to pay so much.
That is a flat outrage man.
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Well I wish we could but in Turkey we get access to networks with whitelsited devices. Where as in many countries they have blacklists where devices are banned from networks for a variety of reasons, in Turkey we have a whitelist where devices that are allowed netork access are listed. So anytime you have a foreign phone you can only use it for about 1 month before it gets removed from networks, unless you register it. To register you have to either provide proof of purchase from Turkey, or register it using a passaport, within one month of returning from abroad. An individual can only register one device every two years. So even buying a phone cheap abroad is no solution. Also cell phones are retained by customs when they are shipped by mail or parcel. So we either fork over the dough, or buy a phone every other year whenever we travel. I bought a touch pro back in 2009 in Austin for 300 bucks and used that until lastsummer when I had an HD2 brought over from Detroit by relatives. This summmer I may have a lyer brought over or if I go abroad bring over one myself. Otherwise we have to pay anywhere from 50 -100 % premium prices for some devices.
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Well I wish we could but in Turkey we get access to networks with whitelsited devices. Where as in many countries they have blacklists where devices are banned from networks for a variety of reasons, in Turkey we have a whitelist where devices that are allowed netork access are listed. So anytime you have a foreign phone you can only use it for about 1 month before it gets removed from networks, unless you register it. To register you have to either provide proof of purchase from Turkey, or register it using a passaport, within one month of returning from abroad. An individual can only register one device every two years. So even buying a phone cheap abroad is no solution. Also cell phones are retained by customs when they are shipped by mail or parcel. So we either fork over the dough, or buy a phone every other year whenever we travel. I bought a touch pro back in 2009 in Austin for 300 bucks and used that until lastsummer when I had an HD2 brought over from Detroit by relatives. This summmer I may have a lyer brought over or if I go abroad bring over one myself. Otherwise we have to pay anywhere from 50 -100 % premium prices for some devices.
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god bless America...
yilmaz101 said:
Well I wish we could but in Turkey we get access to networks with whitelsited devices. Where as in many countries they have blacklists where devices are banned from networks for a variety of reasons, in Turkey we have a whitelist where devices that are allowed netork access are listed. So anytime you have a foreign phone you can only use it for about 1 month before it gets removed from networks, unless you register it. To register you have to either provide proof of purchase from Turkey, or register it using a passaport, within one month of returning from abroad. An individual can only register one device every two years. So even buying a phone cheap abroad is no solution. Also cell phones are retained by customs when they are shipped by mail or parcel. So we either fork over the dough, or buy a phone every other year whenever we travel. I bought a touch pro back in 2009 in Austin for 300 bucks and used that until lastsummer when I had an HD2 brought over from Detroit by relatives. This summmer I may have a lyer brought over or if I go abroad bring over one myself. Otherwise we have to pay anywhere from 50 -100 % premium prices for some devices.
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Man I hate to here you say that. That is so unfair but different countries have different rules, and they are not always fair rules. I wonder why things arecso strict on mobile devices in your country? I hope one day things will change in your country for you.
Thanks for you attention!
I have to thank you for your help against a giant, your company just keeps me going. We must not allow abuse of our rights. And if we have to push for large enterprises to meet their obligations.
Count on me for what I can help you.
Gerardo Zimperz.
http://htc-eatmyshorts.com.ar
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hi guys,
to share the experiece here in my country (sri lanka), a person cant import his own device from overseas. because phones with gps facility are said to be banned in the country. (because of the civil war we had until last year) but if u go out to the market there are all the phones for sale for much higher prices. i phone 4 is around 1200usd. hd2 is around 700usd. it was 1000usd when it first came to the market.
so the only way if u want to buy a phone for the actual price is to get it from another country and bring it back as ur personal phone. (that gps law applies only if the phone arrives by mail!!!!) what i do is buy at ebay, get it delivered to a friend in us who would visit recently. some countries do have useless, outrageous regulations indeed.
yilmaz101 said:
Well I wish we could but in Turkey we get access to networks with whitelsited devices. Where as in many countries they have blacklists where devices are banned from networks for a variety of reasons, in Turkey we have a whitelist where devices that are allowed netork access are listed. So anytime you have a foreign phone you can only use it for about 1 month before it gets removed from networks, unless you register it. To register you have to either provide proof of purchase from Turkey, or register it using a passaport, within one month of returning from abroad. An individual can only register one device every two years. So even buying a phone cheap abroad is no solution. Also cell phones are retained by customs when they are shipped by mail or parcel. So we either fork over the dough, or buy a phone every other year whenever we travel. I bought a touch pro back in 2009 in Austin for 300 bucks and used that until lastsummer when I had an HD2 brought over from Detroit by relatives. This summmer I may have a lyer brought over or if I go abroad bring over one myself. Otherwise we have to pay anywhere from 50 -100 % premium prices for some devices.
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I don´t know how any enterprice whit this kind of responses can be 2 3 or 4 year, one of the most important of the world...
Dell replace me a notebook in 3 days, becouse it fault one time... thats a goot service. I dont have to fight with nobody in the company. ONE CALL WAS ENOUGHT!
Bye, thanks and be fine!
I had a problem with my HD2 as well, this is under 1 year after purchase (warranty covered). HTC has a local distributor that takes care of repairs for phones bought locally. However, I took my phone there and they said they are not authorized to repair it since I bought it abroad. They told me they had the part in stock and could fix it easily. I asked if I could just pay them for the repair. They said no they are not authorized to touch my phone. So I called HTC and they told me to send them an email explaining the problem. I did so.
Their first reply was, shall we say, idiotic. They basically didn't read my email and told me to send it to Singapore, but didn't give me an RMA number or any way to track it, no instructions on how to mail it and wanted me to pay S$54 but gave me no instructions on how I was to pay that fee. I replied saying basically the above, then I get a call from my local distributor who tells me they are authorized to do the repair now. I have my phone back and, fingers crossed, its looking good.
Here is where I have an issue with the OP. There is no reason why HTC would tell you to send the phone to China. HTC is a Taiwanese company not Chinese. From Argentina, the worst case scenario is that you send the phone to Taiwan, not China. However, the distribution chain is local. That is if you bought your phone in Argentina, then the local distributor there is responsible for repairs. You should be mad at them for refusing to do the repair (which might be illegal in your country, it is in mine) not necessarily HTC (though there might be plenty of other reasons to be mad at HTC).
If you bought your phone through some grey market importer, which is something we have here as well, then you get a discount in exchange for no warranty. I buy products in HK this way when I am ready to buy and throw it away. For something like a high end phone though, I require warranty support.
You're right. That's exactly what I think.
The reality is that I've delivered to more than 10 tickest in different repair centers, because they themselves have asked me.
I spent a lot of money to talk to Luis .. and others who answer the phone politely. The problem is that when you end the call, you think ... this man did not answer anything, just sent me, so that the problem is solved by someone else.
Post or register a domain, not just to waste time or hurt my favorite company. It is because I have more resources and I feel very cheated.
Apparently there may be a solution, yet I have faith. I do not wish, to publish the emails, where practically laugh about me a the problem he made my, but if necessary I will do to show you that this is true.
I never tire of thanking the support I provide the forum. In fact I propose where it belongs, a place that I have available to store files, free.
Thank you very much for your time!
Gerardo
http://htc-eatmyshorts.com.ar
Guys are you sure you're talking about the USD in all of your posts? Have you converted it from local currency to USD? If so that's an outrageous price.
What's wrong with your phone? We can probably help here on XDA.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
I am very sorry to hear that. If I may offer you advice based on my own experience with HTC, have you tried to call the support at their headquarters in Taipei? +886-266-391-147 Mon - Sat 8 am - 8 pm (+8GMT). Its not useful, they will tell you to email with anything complex. However, get the name of the person you talked to and then address the email to that person. The first reply will be useless, but keep replying to the email, be polite, not angry, but insist on getting their help.
If that fails, find out who your local distributor is, if you don't already know. Then contact the corporate number and ask to speak with the department in charge of distribution. Report your distributor to them and let them know about your website. Put your website in Spanish and target it at South Americans and start a Facebook page for it targeted at South Americans and get as many people as you can to sign up for it. This is far more effective as a tool of extortion to get megacorps to do something about your crooked distributor. I've used this tactic with other companies effectively.
As for XDA being able to help you fix it, its possible, but if your problem was like mine, then you need a new mainboard. Its a manufacturing defect of the HD2.
@Skellyyy, yeah its accurate. The prices can vary wildly, its a huge pain. While, for example, the HD2 can be US$1000, another phone can be US$150 and US$1000 in another location. I have a lot of experience in this. Here, there is a large VAT and frequently only one distributor of a brand and they can charge whatever they want if there is no strict pricing control from the original brand.
The best mass market prices are for electronics like Samsung, LG, Nokia, Acer where the parent company is the distributor or retains tight control of local price. Then we have a corrupt and ridiculous customs office, so buying via the internet can be equally expensive. Personally, I choose to not support any of these practices. I queue up a list of big ticket stuff I want to buy and take a first class trip to Singapore or Hong Kong and bring the things back with me or use a shipper that I know can avoid the extremes of customs corruption. With the savings I get buying this way, I basically get a free vacation.
When I lived in Europe, I used to hate the fact that prices would be the same number value as in the US but in Sterling (eg a laptop in the US was priced at US$1000 and then priced at UK£1000 in the UK). This is so unfair and while I lived there I was far more circumspect in what I brought. Its funny but the system there, in a way, is similar to what it is where I live now. Its a PIA and can make buying online almost as expensive as buying locally. While there, I similarly waited for a trip to the US to buy big ticket electronics.
Buying electronics when I was living in the US was the best experience. Choice, great prices, online shopping, its all very good. However, its the absolute worst system for buying phones. I hated buying phones in the US far more than anywhere else I have lived. The lack of options, the ridiculous carrier control, a required contract for buying almost any phone, for a free country, its the least free place to buy a phone and there is no escape is there? Canada is just as bad and Mexico is no place to go to buy electronics.
Of all the places I've shopped I think the best experience in buying a phone, for me, is in HK. You have to be an educated buyer, know how to haggle and be ready to pay in cash but you can get the best deals. These days, you don't even need to know how to speak Cantonese. As long as you can speak Mandarin, you can find lots of vendors to haggle with. Then there is the option to skip all the hassle if you want and pay the regular price in a place like Fortress. As a bonus you can choose either the EFIGS or CJK version of the phone there. Then they get all the newest phones the fastest. Its like a capitalist market haven for buying a phone.
actually the most expensive htc phone in turkey costs 900$
Huawei---a "spy and security" risk? I love their stuff and think this is BS
https://www.fastcompany.com/40530898/six-u-s-intelligence-agencies-warn-against-using-huawei-phones
Six intelligence officials, including the heads of the CIA, FBI, and NSA, have told the Senate Intelligence Committee that they would not recommend that U.S. citizens use smartphones from the Chinese companies Huawei and ZTE, reports CNBC. As FBI director Chris Wray told the committee:
“We’re deeply concerned about the risks of allowing any company or entity that is beholden to foreign governments that don’t share our values to gain positions of power inside our telecommunications networks. That provides the capacity to exert pressure or control over our telecommunications infrastructure. It provides the capacity to maliciously modify or steal information. And it provides the capacity to conduct undetected espionage.”
In response to the intelligence officials warnings, a spokesperson for Huawei said:
“Huawei is aware of a range of U.S. government activities seemingly aimed at inhibiting Huawei’s business in the U.S. market. Huawei is trusted by governments and customers in 170 countries worldwide and poses no greater cybersecurity risk than any ICT vendor, sharing as we do common global supply chains and production capabilities.”
Huawei has been trying to enter the U.S. market as of late. One failed attempt saw a partnership with AT&T later called off.
I posted about this a few weeks back when the US deals were cancelled, the mod promptly closed the thread.
I have the phone but no way i'd trust the company.
Went to sign up for HI Care yesterday.
"This feature requires permission to be enabled
(CONTACTS)
I checked permissions after allowing it, it also enabled access to phone in permissions.
Why do you suppose they require that
The Reasoning Is Simple..
Of Course The U.S. Goverment Does Not Want You To Purchase A Device From A Country That May Be Able To Spy On Us...
They'd much more perfer you purchase your devices from a country that has aligned with the United States.
Devices from Samsung & LG.. whose World Headquarters are based in South Korea fit this paradigm.
This way, they would have the option to inject spyware that can spy on you...
Big Brother is ALWAYS watching. :angel:
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/14/technology/huawei-intelligence-chiefs/index.html
Not liking this. We have plenty of other options. I shall be strongly considering replacing this device. Might reconsider keeping it if a Resurrection Remix ROM surfaces soon.
I have 2.5 weeks to decide before the Amazon 5eturn period ends.
Why would the Uk, Germany and many other European countries allow Huawei and ZTE on their Telecom's if there was an espionage risk? I mean these are NATO countries. If is good for them, why isn't it good for us? As far as I know, Huawei is one of the biggest provider of telecom equipment. So I get it, they don't want Huawei to be part of the new 5G infrastructure. We do know that our Telecoms lobbied really hard to repeal net neutrality. Who loses?
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Why would the Uk, Germany and many other European countries allow Huawei and ZTE on their Telecom's if there was an espionage risk? I mean these are NATO countries. If is good for them, why isn't it good for us? As far as I know, Huawei is one of the biggest provider of telecom equipment. So I get it, they don't want Huawei to be part of the new 5G infrastructure. We do know that our Telecoms lobbied really hard to repeal net neutrality. Who loses?
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When Xiaomi launched itself in India with some attractive budget phones, they faced the same type of criticism that they are stealing data from users but after that everything faded in the background and now it's one of the top selling brands.
I still don't understand as it's quoted above, If it's really that bad then why wouldn't other countries be concerned?? I guess, Recently, Indian govt. Advised that especially govt.officials, Army and such officials should stay away from Chinese Phones though.
I have honor 7X and I love stock/custom Roms. I'm looking to switch to a custom ROM because I guess I have another reason to do so. What do you think guys?
Unless the govt forces a pullout from the market, I think it's just politics. I found this article about Telus/Huawei testing their 5G rollout in Canada. Ihttps://venturebeat.com/2018/02/14/huawei-and-telus-test-fixed-5g-in-homes-paving-way-for-canadian-rollout/amp/
zener773 said:
Unless the govt forces a pullout from the market, I think it's just politics. I found this article about Telus/Huawei testing their 5G rollout in Canada. Ihttps://venturebeat.com/2018/02/14/huawei-and-telus-test-fixed-5g-in-homes-paving-way-for-canadian-rollout/amp/
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Personally, cell phones are a huge business and lots of money floating around....which leads to businesses like Apple, Samsung, LG etc left in the dark if they have to compete with a $199 phone...theirs are in the $800 range. What can they do? Somehow persuade the masses that they are a threat on spying on your phone---as if our government does not already do this....I have a strong distrust for our media and the propaganda of our government officials in the "higher up" areas.
Also, if Samsung is spying through your SMART tv I'm sure they would not do it on any other of their products... (SARC)