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Nexus One and Telus

I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?

DeadShawn said:
I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?
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And what, might I ask, is an "ATT Nexus one"? Nexus one is sold and branded by GOOGLE. It has UMTS 900/1700/2100. This is NOT the same as ATT frequencies, which are, as you mention, 850/1900.
The difference is that ATT has an EDGE network and GN1 supports EDGE at 850/900/1800/1900. BELUS does NOT.
If you want to use GN1 in Canada, I recommend you switch providers to WIND. Their rates are WAY better, and they run on UMTS 1700/2100, which is compatible with GN1.

I get a really *really* good deal with Telus. Unlimited data, more txt and minuets then ill ever use, all the extras (caller id, voice mail) and all for under $45. I make good use of the unlimited data via tethering.
Switching from telus isn't an option.
Oh, and sorry for calling it an ATT Nexus One, I was simply implying it was available on the ATT network, my mistake.

The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.

altarity said:
The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.
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that's pretty much the information I was looking for, thank you.

T-Mobile USA to 3g on 1900Mhz band

There is an article on GSMarena (sorry, new user and can't post link) that says T-Mobile USA to support IPhone 4S at 3g speeds.
This is definitely good news. I hope it will also work on the Galaxy Note. Can anybody confirm and list your city?

bloodyduster said:
There is an article on GSMarena (sorry, new user and can't post link) that says T-Mobile USA to support IPhone 4S at 3g speeds.
This is definitely good news. I hope it will also work on the Galaxy Note. Can anybody confirm and list your city?
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T-mo 3G is 1700 mhz. AFAIK, the Note doesn't support this. So you're out of luck for 3G on T-mo USA (or any other service that backpacks onto T-mo's network, like SIMple Mobile.)

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
T-mo 3G is 1700 mhz. AFAIK, the Note doesn't support this. So you're out of luck for 3G on T-mo USA (or any other service that backpacks onto T-mo's network, like SIMple Mobile.)
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Actually, the hardware is in the device for Tmo 3g 1700/2100. However, it's not enabled.

bloodyduster said:
There is an article on GSMarena (sorry, new user and can't post link) that says T-Mobile USA to support IPhone 4S at 3g speeds.
This is definitely good news. I hope it will also work on the Galaxy Note. Can anybody confirm and list your city?
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This is probably due to the likely joint operations that is likely between T-Mobile and AT&T now that AT&T's deal to buy them out looks like it won't happen.

But there are reports of Iphone 4S, which uses 1900Mhz, to run at 3g speeds on T-Mobile. If that is true, wouldn't the GNote also be capable of running at 3g speeds with its 1900 Mhz frequency?

Well if anyone has a 1900mhz phone only and gets 3G with T-Mobile, please report your location.
If I didn't have to register to that site, I would tell them: Screw the iPhone, this is where my Galaxy Note comes in.

cu_ninja said:
Actually, the hardware is in the device for Tmo 3g 1700/2100. However, it's not enabled.
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Yeah I've heard something about that. However, for all intents and purposes, until someone figures out a way to enable that, the Note is still just a quad-band 3/4G device (850/900/1900/2100) as far as I'm concerned.
As for the 4S being able to operate on T-mo's 3G, I'm willing to bet that it has more to do with the Gobi chip inside. I'm pretty sure the 4S chipset supports 1700 AWS.

bloodyduster said:
But there are reports of Iphone 4S, which uses 1900Mhz, to run at 3g speeds on T-Mobile. If that is true, wouldn't the GNote also be capable of running at 3g speeds with its 1900 Mhz frequency?
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Link Please?

The forum won't allow me to post external links until I've reached at least 8 posts.
Just google "gsmarena iphone 4s tmobile 3g" and it should be the first link.

From the different articles I've read (The Verge, Redmond Pie, etc) it seems this is only happening in parts of California and Nevada but they expect it to grow across the country in the coming months.

Is tmobile acessing AT&Ts bands to let this happen?

Here's some info about this....
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._3g_access_to_some_unlocked_iphone_users.html

n25philly said:
This is probably due to the likely joint operations that is likely between T-Mobile and AT&T now that AT&T's deal to buy them out looks like it won't happen.
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Deal's off.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/19/2647291/at-t-kills-t-mobile-merger-plans

i think what he is saying is that since the deal is off, tmobile can utilize those bands. (Part of the deal between tmobile and at&t was that if it didnt go through they would get 4 billion dollars and access to some of their spectrum)

Any update on this?
Anyone with a Note getting 3G at all?

I'm very tempted to pick up a t-mobile sim and grab a prepaid plan and try this on my International Note, this is great news.
Any updates on how far the 1900 MHz 3G has expanded or if us international note users can unlock our radios for 1700 AWS?

seeking said:
i think what he is saying is that since the deal is off, tmobile can utilize those bands. (Part of the deal between tmobile and at&t was that if it didnt go through they would get 4 billion dollars and access to some of their spectrum)
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If I remember correctly, if the deal fell through it was almost 8 Billion dollars in penalties. 3 or 4 billion in cash or stock swaps and the balance in frequency trades and roaming deals.

Can Any Unlocked SGS3 Work on Tmo's 4G?

can an unlocked at&t or sprint sgs3 work on tmobile's 4G network?

Sprint is cdma .... t-mobile and att are gsm
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Sprint no, t mobile edge speeds. No good news as to whether more would be possible on t mobile.
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not until t-mobile has completed refarming its 1900 frequency to HSPA+ ...at least for the international and AT&T models. im not sure about the Sprint version.

I heard that the Sprint variant of the S3 has a sim slot since its an international phone. All you have to do is root and unlock it and it should work on T-Mobile 4G.

accordex said:
Sprint is cdma .... t-mobile and att are gsm
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that didnt answer my question.
prankoy said:
not until t-mobile has completed refarming its 1900 frequency to HSPA+ ...at least for the international and AT&T models.
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so currently, you cant get the int'l or at&t phone to work on tmo's 4G until tmo upgrades to HSPA+.. do you know when that will happen?

bldon2 said:
that didnt answer my question.
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It does, actually… perhaps a bit too technical.
so currently, you cant get the int'l or at&t phone to work on tmo's 4G until tmo upgrades to HSPA+.. do you know when that will happen?
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That's not an accurate statement but it makes the point—non-T-Mobile GS3s won't work on T-Mobile's 3G/4G until they redeploy from 1700 to 1900 MHz.
T-Mobile hasn't put out a time table. AFAIK parts of downtown San Francisco (around the Moscone Center), parts of San Diego, and parts of Birmingham, Alabama (i.e. relatively nowhere) are the only places TMO has this configuration deployed.

That's not exactly true parts of Bellevue and Seattle Washington have been reformed too so I'm sure there's more areas
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AttachedSilver said:
I heard that the Sprint variant of the S3 has a sim slot since its an international phone. All you have to do is root and unlock it and it should work on T-Mobile 4G.
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nope, there's only an sd card slot in the sprint variant, the sim card is embedded

bldon2 said:
that didnt answer question
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It did actually, AT&T and T-Mobile are gsm, while Verizon and sprint are cdma... completely different services. Your only choice is an AT&T, T-Mobile or a gsm international.
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tamasrepus said:
It does, actually… perhaps a bit too technical.
That's not an accurate statement but it makes the point—non-T-Mobile GS3s won't work on T-Mobile's 3G/4G until they redeploy from 1700 to 1900 MHz.
T-Mobile hasn't put out a time table. AFAIK parts of downtown San Francisco (around the Moscone Center), parts of San Diego, and parts of Birmingham, Alabama (i.e. relatively nowhere) are the only places TMO has this configuration deployed.
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he didnt answer my question. anyway, do you know when tmo will deploy this upgrade to nyc?
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It did actually, AT&T and T-Mobile are gsm, while Verizon and sprint are cdma... completely different services. Your only choice is an AT&T, T-Mobile or a gsm international.
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it did not.. i got a gsm phone from at&t thats unlocked to work on tmo. but i cant get it to work on tmo 4G.. thats why he didnt answer my question.

Look up t mobile 1900 mhz refarming. Thats ur best shot. Other than that right now signs are pointing to no hardware support for t mobiles currnt hspa bands. Basically, cross your fingers that tmobile changes to your frequency in your area with this phone. Tmobiles doin cuz they want to steal awayviphine users so they do have incentive. We'll be on that train too tho.
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bldon2 said:
he didnt answer my question. anyway, do you know when tmo will deploy this upgrade to nyc?
it did not.. i got a gsm phone from at&t thats unlocked to work on tmo. but i cant get it to work on tmo 4G.. thats why he didnt answer my question.
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Yes, t-mobile uses the same tech, but is gimped as far as the 1900mhz band goes. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a definitive adviser as to when they will overhaul their services.
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r3a1ist said:
Look up t mobile 1900 mhz refarming. Thats ur best shot. Other than that right now signs are pointing to no hardware support for t mobiles currnt hspa bands. Basically, cross your fingers that tmobile changes to your frequency in your area with this phone. Tmobiles doin cuz they want to steal awayviphine users so they do have incentive. We'll be on that train too tho.
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i see.. so, tmo right now supports 1900 for their 4G. and the samsung galaxy s3 uses 1900, right?
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Yes, t-mobile uses the same tech, but is gimped as far as the 1900mhz band goes. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a definitive adviser as to when they will overhaul their services.
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i'm a bit confused here.. maybe you, r3a1ist or someone can help. i called tmo and they said that the samsung galaxy s3 works on their 1700 - 2100 while at&t has 850 - 1900.
i'm really confused because on the tmo website, the specs for the SGS3 says that it works on the following bands:
tmo:
850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band V (850)
i got 4 questions:
1) what frequencies does the tmo version work on.
2) what are the frequencies that at&t uses for its SGS3.
3) what frequency does tmo use for its 4G (internet) network.
4) when LTE comes out next yr on tmo, will samsung release a new line of SGS3 specifically for tmo to work on its LTE?

bldon2 said:
he didnt answer my question. anyway, do you know when tmo will deploy this upgrade to nyc?
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Never, probably… I don't have a source (you can Google it) but T-Mobile does not have enough spectrum in NYC to do much shuffling.
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i see.. so, tmo right now supports 1900 for their 4G. and the samsung galaxy s3 uses 1900, right?
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You're not reading the thread, and/or are not understanding technical details. Answering your original question:
can an unlocked at&t or sprint sgs3 work on tmobile's 4G network?
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No, it won't.
The Sprint model apparently does not work. The AT&T may work later this year depending on your area. Are you asking whether you want to make a $500+ bet that it will? That's up to you—I wouldn't.
i'm a bit confused here.. maybe you, r3a1ist or someone can help. i called tmo and they said that the samsung galaxy s3 works on their 1700 - 2100 while at&t has 850 - 1900.
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I rarely get straight or correct answers from TMO's support, but yes—that's correct. What are you confused about?
i'm really confused because on the tmo website, the specs for the SGS3 says that it works on the following bands:
tmo:
850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band V (850)
i got 4 questions:
1) what frequencies does the tmo version work on.
2) what are the frequencies that at&t uses for its SGS3.
3) what frequency does tmo use for its 4G (internet) network.
4) when LTE comes out next yr on tmo, will samsung release a new line of SGS3 specifically for tmo to work on its LTE?
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1) It works on the frequencies you posted. Let's rewrite that:
GSM/EDGE (aka 2G): 850, 900, 1800, 1900 Mhz
UMTS/HSPA+ (aka 3G/4G): 850, 1700 (aka AWS), 1900 MHz
Is it less confusing now?
2) AT&T uses 850 Mhz and 1900 MHz for their HSPA+ service.
3) TMO as of July 2012 uses 1700 MHz for most their HSPA+ service. T-Mobile will support HSPA+ on 1900 MHz in some parts of the USA by the end of the year. Very few areas (T-Mobile has only officially disclosed a tower near the Moscone Center, in San Francisco) do so now. Concrete details are sparse and nonspecific.
4) Next year is a long time—the SGS3 will be old by then, and the Galaxy Note 2 or SGS4 will have been announced. Nobody can predict the future. But, looking at the past, TMO released a new "4G" version of the Vibrant, so it's also likely they release new "LTE" versions of their phones.

tamasrepus said:
1) It works on the frequencies you posted. Let's rewrite that:
GSM/EDGE (aka 2G): 850, 900, 1800, 1900 Mhz
UMTS/HSPA+ (aka 3G/4G): 850, 1700 (aka AWS), 1900 MHz
Is it less confusing now?
2) AT&T uses 850 Mhz and 1900 MHz for their HSPA+ service.
3) TMO as of July 2012 uses 1700 MHz for most their HSPA+ service. T-Mobile will support HSPA+ on 1900 MHz in some parts of the USA by the end of the year. Very few areas (T-Mobile has only officially disclosed a tower near the Moscone Center, in San Francisco) do so now. Concrete details are sparse and nonspecific.
4) Next year is a long time—the SGS3 will be old by then, and the Galaxy Note 2 or SGS4 will have been announced. Nobody can predict the future. But, looking at the past, TMO released a new "4G" version of the Vibrant, so it's also likely they release new "LTE" versions of their phones.
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its much less confusing now. thank you so much. its looks like the tmo tech guy i called was ignorant and didnt know what he was talking about. again, thanks.
one last question.. do you think that if i got the tmo version of the SGS3 and when LTE is released that the phone will no longer use HSPA? when LTE comes out, will the phone no longer use fast internet?

bldon2 said:
one last question.. do you think that if i got the tmo version of the SGS3 and when LTE is released that the phone will no longer use HSPA? when LTE comes out, will the phone no longer use fast internet?
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Yeah… that's a complicated question whose answer I don't yet understand myself.
TMO is doing their 1900 MHz refarming to free up 1700 MHz for use w/ LTE. Stuff I'm wondering:
What happens to older 3G/4G devices that don't support 1900 MHz? Do they lose their 3G/4G Internet? Note: the GS3 supports 1900 MHz, and does not have this problem.
How is TMO going to deploy in spectrum crunched areas (like NYC)? They don't have enough spectrum to move everyone over to 1900 MHz—does this mean 1700 MHz HSPA+ will be cut off when they bring 1700 MHz LTE online? Your non-LTE GS3 might lose 3G/4G Internet in this situation—but I doubt TMO would do this to anyone with a phone still in contract.
All in all, make your purchasing situation on the situation today. The next new thing is always around the corner.

tamasrepus said:
Yeah… that's a complicated question whose answer I don't yet understand myself.
TMO is doing their 1900 MHz refarming to free up 1700 MHz for use w/ LTE. Stuff I'm wondering:
What happens to older 3G/4G devices that don't support 1900 MHz? Do they lose their 3G/4G Internet? Note: the GS3 supports 1900 MHz, and does not have this problem.
How is TMO going to deploy in spectrum crunched areas (like NYC)? They don't have enough spectrum to move everyone over to 1900 MHz—does this mean 1700 MHz HSPA+ will be cut off when they bring 1700 MHz LTE online? Your non-LTE GS3 might lose 3G/4G Internet in this situation—but I doubt TMO would do this to anyone with a phone still in contract.
All in all, make your purchasing situation on the situation today. The next new thing is always around the corner.
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hi tamasrepus... just to let you know, when i called the tmo rep like i told you in my previous post, he said that the SGS3 will use LTE.. but after your answers discredited him, i dont believe him. i guess we got to wait and see.

theraffman said:
It did actually, AT&T and T-Mobile are gsm, while Verizon and sprint are cdma... completely different services. Your only choice is an AT&T, T-Mobile or a gsm international.
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But LTE is a gsm technology, currently sprints/Verizons phone (Verizon razr maxx works on international/att networks after a recent update) is a hybrid, but they have weird lte frequencies, I've read that all US carriers will have incompatible freqs, but qualcom is building a chip that does them all plus European ones.
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It's simple, T mobile phone works on At&t HSPA but not LTE. At&t phone works on its own HSPA and LTE but not T moble 1700 HSPA. We've been trying to see if we can make it work on t mobiles 1700 hspa band, no luck yet. To make matters more uncertain. T mobile says they're refarming their 2g/edge spectrum to work on At&t's 1900 HSPA band. The At&t phone out of the box would be able to pick up this 1900 HSPA t mobile refarm. Although reports of this actually occuring are sporadic and they also fired the CEO who's plan it is a couple weeks ago. LoL. If you get that, that's the complete break down. So here you go:
T mobile phone - Supports both T mobile and At&t HSPA 4g speeds, no LTE of any kind.
At&t phone- Supports At&t LTE and HSPA only right now, t mobile HSPA "may" be available for it's antenna's in the future.

In North America and on GSM? The T889 is the one to grab

Looking at the Specs for the 4 versions and if you live in North America and use GSM the T889 seems to be your best choice. You get all North American HSPA bands and DC-HSPA 42Mbps not just HSPA 21Mbps as well as North American 700/1700 LTE.
Looking at the AT&T variant i317 seems we are getting the shaft. You get quad band HSPA only and 2 extra LTE bands you'd never use unless you travel a lot off the continent. My how quickly AT&T put the failed merger behind them.
There are 4 versions of Note:
1. International (+LTE): SGH-7100 / SGH -7105
2. SGH-i317 : ATT+(Rogers+Bell + Telus): HSPA 850/900/1900/2100, LTE: 700/850/1700/1900
3. SCH-i605 : CDMA + LTE 700
4. SGH-T889 : T-Mobile+Mobilicity+Wind : HSPA: 850/900/1700/1900/2100, LTE: 700, 1700
So why does T-Mobile's get DC-HSPA and not the other 2 GSM variants?

So do you know how to unlock the sim slot on this. i use simple mobile and straight talk but I want the t-mobile version because it has hspa+42 and the others dont which I find to be rather stupid. But Simple said I need to unlock it even though it is a t-mo hone and they use their network. Will T-mo unlock it for me if I call them since I am buying it out right.
mr mystery said:
Looking at the Specs for the 4 versions and if you live in North America and use GSM the T889 seems to be your best choice. You get all North American HSPA bands and DC-HSPA 42Mbps not just HSPA 21Mbps as well as North American 700/1700 LTE.
Looking at the AT&T variant i317 seems we are getting the shaft. You get quad band HSPA only and 2 extra LTE bands you'd never use unless you travel a lot off the continent. My how quickly AT&T put the failed merger behind them.
There are 4 versions of Note:
1. International (+LTE): SGH-7100 / SGH -7105
2. SGH-i317 : ATT+(Rogers+Bell + Telus): HSPA 850/900/1900/2100, LTE: 700/850/1700/1900
3. SCH-i605 : CDMA + LTE 700
4. SGH-T889 : T-Mobile+Mobilicity+Wind : HSPA: 850/900/1700/1900/2100, LTE: 700, 1700
So why does T-Mobile's get DC-HSPA and not the other 2 GSM variants?
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abrcrmdl23 said:
So do you know how to unlock the sim slot on this. i use simple mobile and straight talk but I want the t-mobile version because it has hspa+42 and the others dont which I find to be rather stupid. But Simple said I need to unlock it even though it is a t-mo hone and they use their network. Will T-mo unlock it for me if I call them since I am buying it out right.
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Can't help you there friend, I'm in Canada. I know T-Mobile used to be pretty good about unlocking devices bought outright but not sure if policies changed. A T-Mobile member should be able to answer that question though.

I've been out of the phone game for awhile, so i'm a little confused. I'm currently on ATT, and as a matter of course, I would pick up there's, but if it doesn't have LTE in the states (I have ATT LTE in my area), then that's just one more reason to switch to T-mobile.
I'm already considering switching due to the cheaper plan and the ability to pick up the phone on a payment plan, which is VERY attractive to me and my current financial situation.
So,, Explain this to me like i'm five.. what exactly is the problem with the ATT Note 2?

nothing if you have AT&T. The t-mobile one only has an advantage if you use it as an unlocked device on pre-paid carriers like straight talk or simple mobile or solavei. The main difference is that if you use a t-mobile prepaid carrier like simple mobile and get the international note 2 it will be edge/hspa+21 onlyin refarmed, if you get ATT it is edge only unless you live in a 1900 re farmed market then it will only do hsap+21, if you get the t-mobile variant it is hspa+42 and has not active lte for when and if prepaid carriers get access to t-mobile lte when it comes online next year. The other thing is the t-mobile variant is a penta band phone which means it will run at full hspa+ data speed on any carrier. ATT or t-mo.

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nothing if you have AT&T. The t-mobile one only has an advantage if you use it as an unlocked device on pre-paid carriers like straight talk or simple mobile or solavei. The main difference is that if you use a t-mobile prepaid carrier like simple mobile and get the international note 2 it will be edge/hspa+21 onlyin refarmed, if you get ATT it is edge only unless you live in a 1900 re farmed market then it will only do hsap+21, if you get the t-mobile variant it is hspa+42 and has not active lte for when and if prepaid carriers get access to t-mobile lte when it comes online next year. The other thing is the t-mobile variant is a penta band phone which means it will run at full hspa+ data speed on any carrier. ATT or t-mo.
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Ah, so since I have ATT in a LTE area (Phoenix), i'll get LTE (42?) on my phone, and no issues unless I decide I want to switch to a pre-paid carrier? But if I did get the T-mobile version of the phone, I could switch it around and I have more options as far as speed goes. Sound approximately correct?
What if I bought the phone from T-mo and switched it to AT&T? Is that even possible and would it have any pros or cons? (Buying full-price phone from T-mobile on their payment plan, using it on AT&T until my contract was up in Feb, then switching the phone to T-mobile with the cheaper plan?

Kreiger1981 said:
I've been out of the phone game for awhile, so i'm a little confused. I'm currently on ATT, and as a matter of course, I would pick up there's, but if it doesn't have LTE in the states (I have ATT LTE in my area), then that's just one more reason to switch to T-mobile.
I'm already considering switching due to the cheaper plan and the ability to pick up the phone on a payment plan, which is VERY attractive to me and my current financial situation.
So,, Explain this to me like i'm five.. what exactly is the problem with the ATT Note 2?
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It has LTE, but the HSPA bands are limited to 21mbps vs the 42 mbps HSPA of the T-Mobile variant (which works with AT&T's network on both LTE and HSPA).
Essentially, a faster HSPA radio, nothing else changes

Does anyone know if there will be modem problems like the Att i717 had when switching to tmobile? We waited a long time for a decent working modem which was a hacked blaze modem that worked the best with limited upload speeds, but great download speeds.
Or will the tmobile variant work like the galaxy nexus pentaband on Att or tmobile OOB? I'm tempted to get the tmobile, but will wait for the price to drop.
Torn due to accessories that now are not compatible with the new noteII.

sashusmom said:
Or will the tmobile variant work like the galaxy nexus pentaband on Att or tmobile OOB? I'm tempted to get the tmobile, but will wait for the price to drop.
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The T-Mobile variant is Pentaband according to FCC filings

So, If I buy the T-Mobile Note II non-contract price; it will work on AT&T's LTE and HSPA network?

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So, If I buy the T-Mobile Note II non-contract price; it will work on AT&T's LTE and HSPA network?
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Doesn't the T-Mobile one have LTE disabled in the firmware?

I am on AT&T. I bought the TMOB Note II and unlocked it on cellunlocker.net. very easy.
I don't get LTE even though the device specs show LTE.
I tried different APNs but it always goes back to the default one on my micro sim.
Any ideas on how to get LTE are welcome!
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I am on AT&T. I bought the TMOB Note II and unlocked it on cellunlocker.net. very easy.
I don't get LTE even though the device specs show LTE.
I tried different APNs but it always goes back to the default one on my micro sim.
Any ideas on how to get LTE are welcome!
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As I stated above:
http://www.androidauthority.com/t-mobile-galaxy-note-2-lte-125982/
The Galaxy Note II features a Qualcomm 9215M chipset which provides the hardware capability to support both HSPA+42 and LTE. T-Mobile plans to reach more than 200 million Americans with LTE by the end of 2013. The Galaxy Note II will not automatically access T-Mobile’s LTE network. We will share more information on how and when the Galaxy Note II will support T-Mobile’s upcoming LTE network when the network is available.
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I don't know if anyone cares, but I purchased the international version of the Galaxy Note II. I currently am using it on AT&T network and I maintain hspa+ the entire time. I work in Dallas, Texas but live 45 miles away, and I have awesome coverage all the time. The reason I post this is because all of you wanting LTE, should know more facts about it. LTE is nice, but it's a battery hog. Granted 4G speeds are nice, but in practicality, HSPA+ is obviously not as fast, but it's pretty danged fast and my battery life is pretty darned good as well.
If you are going to shell out the money for the phone itself, buy the International version. You can get them for around $660 dollars, and the price is dropping every day. Don't spend the same amount on a Carrier branded, bloatware infested phone. Just buy the unbranded one and you will be quite happy, I guarantee it.
***disclaimer***
My guarantee only offers cookies as reimbursement, and you have to show up in person to receive them.

ekerbuddyeker said:
I am on AT&T. I bought the TMOB Note II and unlocked it on cellunlocker.net. very easy.
I don't get LTE even though the device specs show LTE.
I tried different APNs but it always goes back to the default one on my micro sim.
Any ideas on how to get LTE are welcome!
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Maybe have to wait on the AT&T Note II ROM dump. Then flash it to T-Mobile Note II.

tmobile always unlock my phones
abrcrmdl23 said:
So do you know how to unlock the sim slot on this. i use simple mobile and straight talk but I want the t-mobile version because it has hspa+42 and the others dont which I find to be rather stupid. But Simple said I need to unlock it even though it is a t-mo hone and they use their network. Will T-mo unlock it for me if I call them since I am buying it out right.
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all you have to do is wait like maybe a week or four days, for their system to recognize that you are using the note 2 on their system. then you call them and tell them that you will be going out of the country and they will ask you for your IMEI number and your email. and you will get your unlock code the next day, hope this help you.

ekerbuddyeker said:
I am on AT&T. I bought the TMOB Note II and unlocked it on cellunlocker.net. very easy.
I don't get LTE even though the device specs show LTE.
I tried different APNs but it always goes back to the default one on my micro sim.
Any ideas on how to get LTE are welcome!
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You can try this:
1) With phone on, take off back cover and press your SIM card so it releases from the spring. It won't come all the way out as it's blocked by the battery. This seems fine - I didn't bother trying to force it out as I didn't want to break anything...
2) Once you see the message that the SIM card is removed, go to the dialer and dial *#2263#
3) You should see a menu with band selections. The current setting is "Automatic". If you switch to "GSM All", you will be EDGE (2G). If you switch to "WCDMA All", you will be on HSPA+ (3G, though AT&T and others call it 4G) and you will have lte too
4) Press the SIM card back into place until it clicks. For whatever reason the phone will not recognize it until you reboot. Upon reboot you should see your new setting in effect.
Let me know if this works!

So let's clear all of this up. Will the T-Mobile edition work on T-Mobile AND at&t (hspa+) StraightTalk here in the States? Just seemed a bit confusing and that is what I know is my big question. All help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Jordan

jordan123hi said:
So let's clear all of this up. Will the T-Mobile edition work on T-Mobile AND at&t (hspa+) StraightTalk here in the States? Just seemed a bit confusing and that is what I know is my big question. All help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Jordan
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It's my understanding that the T-Mo Note 2 runs on T-Mo's HSPA+42 network while the international runs on ATT's HSPA+21 network but only on T-Mo's 2G network. T-Mo is currently refarming areas of the country so that the international Note 2 will pick up T-Mo's HSPA+ network. I assume they mean T-Mo's HSPA+42 network.
EDIT: This was from a chat session with a T-Mo rep:
Me: So once the 1900Mhz refarming is complete, does that mean I'd have access to your HSPA+42 speeds?
Mary G: Yes, once the process has been complete, you will have the best service about the calls and most especially the data.
Now, we all know how misinformed reps can be but from what I've been reading, this seems to be legit. So my plan is to get the international Note 2. I get HSPA+21 now, an option for T-Mo HSPA+42 later as I know for a fact my area is currently being refarmed, more developer support, and no bloatware.
If I'm wrong about any of this, please someone let me know.

bengadget said:
It's my understanding that the T-Mo Note 2 runs on T-Mo's HSPA+42 network while the international runs on ATT's HSPA+21 network but only on T-Mo's 2G network. T-Mo is currently refarming areas of the country so that the international Note 2 will pick up T-Mo's HSPA+ network. I assume they mean T-Mo's HSPA+42 network.
EDIT: This was from a chat session with a T-Mo rep:
Me: So once the 1900Mhz refarming is complete, does that mean I'd have access to your HSPA+42 speeds?
Mary G: Yes, once the process has been complete, you will have the best service about the calls and most especially the data.
Now, we all know how misinformed reps can be but from what I've been reading, this seems to be legit. So my plan is to get the international Note 2. I get HSPA+21 now, an option for T-Mo HSPA+42 later as I know for a fact my area is currently being refarmed, more developer support, and no bloatware.
If I'm wrong about any of this, please someone let me know.
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Will you get TMo HSPA+21 or only on AT&T?

Developer Edition LTE + DC-HSPA ??

HTC has updated the frequencies spec sheet to reflect better what we can expect from global variations of the One :
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-one/#specs
Specifically , frequencies:
2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G - UMTS/ HSPA:
Europe/ Middle East/ Africa: : 900/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 42 Mbps
Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 42 Mbps
Canada/ Latin America: 850/1900/2100 MHz up to HSDPA 42 Mbps
T-Mobile (US): 850/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 42 Mbps
AT&T: 850/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 21 Mbps
Sprint: 1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 14.4 Mbps
3G - CDMA:
800/1900 MHz for Sprint
4G - LTE:
Europe/ Middle East/ Africa: 800/1800/2600 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 MHz
T-Mobile (US)/ AT&T/ Canada/ Latin America: 700 MHz and AWS band
Sprint: 1900 MHz
At HTC blog site the frequencies for the HTC Developers edition is listed as :
http://blog.htc.com/2013/03/htc-one-developer-edition/
"Multiple frequency compatibility:
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)"
With the AT&T version you can see that AT&T only gets HSDPA up to 21Mbps whereas the Canada version with the same bands gets up to 42Mbps
Question : Based on the Dev edition bands it looks like it should get DC- HSPA at 42 Mbps....is that right ??
I'd love to know that when I'm in an area with poor LTE coverage I can at least expect to get DC-HSPA speeds up to 42Mbps.
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I would guess its dc 42 by default and att rom/ modem restritcs to 21
Its the same hardware but cant be 100% sure until we get the devices.

that's because ATTs hspa+ network maxes out at 21. So if you're on att thats max you can get. Regardless of radio. You're not going to pull speeds that aren't available.

xcesivemastub8ah said:
that's because ATTs hspa+ network maxes out at 21. So if you're on att thats max you can get. Regardless of radio. You're not going to pull speeds that aren't available.
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Hi wrong! The specs stated there is the maximum bandwidth not the network's maximum speed. It would be a bad marketing for HTC if they were to put 21 if the true maximum speed is up to 42mbps. Take note that the numbers game plays with marketing perfectly.
And also HSPA+ is different than DC-HSDPA.
DC-HSDPA is a next generation HSPA+ where the bandwidth was doubled. And HTC stating that AT&T version doesn't get DC-HSDPA only means that it has different modem chipset than the others since there's no way to limit or multiply a bandwidth through software means.
It's just like making a single core processor a dual core by modifying a software.

Wait, what the hell? So the developer edition works on T-Mobiles network? When was this updated?
Nevermind, for some reason I thought it also included the 1700 band.
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mouzaihem said:
Wait, what the hell? So the developer edition works on T-Mobiles network? When was this updated?
Nevermind, for some reason I thought it also included the 1700 band.
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I'm not sure about the developer edition but the specs page of HTC was updated likely 19 hours ago.

Riyal said:
Hi wrong! The specs stated there is the maximum bandwidth not the network's maximum speed. It would be bad marketing for HTC if they were to put 21 if the true maximum speed is up to 42mbps. Take note that the numbers game plays with marketing perfectly.
And also HSPA+ is different than DC-HSDPA.
DC-HSDPA is a next generation HSPA+ where the bandwidth was doubled. And HTC stating that AT&T version doesn't get DC-HSDPA only means that it has different modem chipset than the others since there's no way to limit or multiply a bandwidth through software means.
It's just like making a single core processor a dual core by modifying a software.
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Hi wrong. Yea I don't know what you're trying to say. He asked about the att variant so I assumed he was on att. Which doesnt do dc-hspa+ . So if he's thinking he can buy the dev version and pull down 42, which I assumed was the purpose of the post, on att its not going to happen. I'm not sure were you got your marketing degree but Bad marketing would be if HTC would to say on the att variant specs that you can get anything more than 21 with the phone locked down to atts network. Imagine all the upset people on att suing them when they cant pull down 42 they claim on specs because atts network isn't built for 42. Not good marketing. The phone is for att and that's the maximum speed att gives so HTC is going to post it as the maximum speed for the att one. Simple..

Riyal said:
Hi wrong! The specs stated there is the maximum bandwidth not the network's maximum speed. It would be a bad marketing for HTC if they were to put 21 if the true maximum speed is up to 42mbps. Take note that the numbers game plays with marketing perfectly.
And also HSPA+ is different than DC-HSDPA.
DC-HSDPA is a next generation HSPA+ where the bandwidth was doubled. And HTC stating that AT&T version doesn't get DC-HSDPA only means that it has different modem chipset than the others since there's no way to limit or multiply a bandwidth through software means.
It's just like making a single core processor a dual core by modifying a software.
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The qualcom mdm chipset is the same it supports dc hspa+ att only uses singlecarrier on there network.
Its all the ul version.

Hi! I don't have a marketing degree sorry I'm a programmer not a marketer
Anyways what if AT&T would somehow decide to upgrade their HSDPA speeds in the next 6 months? Or maybe announce tomorrow that they will upgrade it soon? Isn't it a big down for HTC? The specs made there are not specs of the network where the phone is to be used. It's the specs of the phone itself. You can't advertise a phone that it doesn't have LTE only just because the networks that will be used in it doesn't support it right?
xcesivemastub8ah said:
Hi wrong. Yea I don't know what you're trying to say. He asked about the att variant so I assumed he was on att. Which doesnt do dc-hspa+ . So if he's thinking he can buy the dev version and pull down 42, which I assumed was the purpose of the post, on att its not going to happen. I'm not sure were you got your marketing degree but Bad marketing would be if HTC would to say on the att variant specs that you can get anything more than 21 with the phone locked down to atts network. Imagine all the upset people on att suing them when they cant pull down 42 they claim on specs because atts network isn't built for 42. Not good marketing. The phone is for att and that's the maximum speed att gives so HTC is going to post it as the maximum speed for the att one. Simple..
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The qualcomm MDM chipset has different versions.
Anandtech alone confirmed that the Asian version & the UK version has different MDM chipsets used.
Receive diversity is mandatory for LTE, but even the UMTS/WCDMA only One includes it since is is again required in part to enable the all metal design. All of the One models are based on Qualcomm’s 28nm 2nd generation LTE baseband, the MDM9x15 platform we’ve seen a bunch of, and its DC-HSPA+/GSM-only (LTE blocks fused off) sibling, MDM8215 for the UMTS/WCDMA only model. This is a big step up from the international edition of the One X and One X+ which both shipped without receive diversity and were based on the aging Intel/Infineon XMM6260 platform.
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You guys are basing facts on assumptions that came from others while I am basing it on technicalities. So I guess I'll leave it out on others to decide which they think is correct.
And yeah AT&T isn't using UL version. You can go to this thread instead
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2223236
and see that it's a WL version.
Nyxagamemnon said:
The qualcom mdm chipset is the same it supports dc hspa+ att only uses singlecarrier on there network.
Its all the ul version.
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Riyal said:
Hi! I don't have a marketing degree sorry I'm a programmer not a marketer
Anyways what if AT&T would somehow decide to upgrade their HSDPA speeds in the next 6 months? Or maybe announce tomorrow that they will upgrade it soon? Isn't it a big down for HTC? The specs made there are not specs of the network where the phone is to be used. It's the specs of the phone itself. You can't advertise a phone that it doesn't have LTE only just because the networks that will be used in it doesn't support it right?
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I don't know how we got off topic but Yes. The specs ARE of the network that they are to be used on since a carrier variant is tied to a specific carrier. Listen, You can't advertise a phone being able to download 42mbps on a network that doesn't have it. Its false advertising to tell att customers that they can get 42mbps with this phone. Which is what they would be saying if att one specs said 42 instead of 21. And what I was trying to clarify to the OP that he's not going to get. It doesn't matter if it had a chip capable of 1 million mbps. Its a phone meant specifically to be used on att and att can only do 21 so that's all they're going to tell you the phone can do because that's all you(the general public) need to know. As for your last sentence, You can and they do. Just Look at the nexus 4. No LTE advertising but LTE capable. If att was deciding they wanted to upgrade their network it wouldn't be a big down for HTC. All they would have to do is change the Att one specs on their site.
And att variant and dev edition are the same. Both the UL version. WL is cdma. Sprint.

ATT is ul. Mile needs to update his op
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ATT is ul. Mile needs to update his op
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ATT stopped working on hspa.
Its LTE right now and a bud of mine told me they are currently turning on LTE Advanced. In my area they already turned it on but no press release though. You just see a minor speed bump until lte advanced chips are supported
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WOW !
I didn't realise my post would cause such a kerfuffle...I'm in Canada and simply wanted to know based on official specs provided whether the Dev edition would pull in DC-HSDPA speeds on Telus network that supports this dual channel technology
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adsam3927 said:
WOW !
I didn't realise my post would cause such a kerfuffle...I'm in Canada and simply wanted to know based on official specs provided whether the Dev edition would pull in DC-HSDPA speeds on Telus network that supports this dual channel technology
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The reason why att variant advertises different speeds even though theyre the same m7-ul model was given in the first 2 responses. Unlocked models don't advertise speed because there's no carrier to advertise for. The thread took a turn for the worst when, for whatever reason, someone decided they were going to hijackand and fill the thread with "facts" based on misinformation.

adsam3927 said:
WOW !
I didn't realise my post would cause such a kerfuffle...I'm in Canada and simply wanted to know based on official specs provided whether the Dev edition would pull in DC-HSDPA speeds on Telus network that supports this dual channel technology
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In case no one answered the OP, the answer is NO. Unless the published specs are wrong, it will not operate on the 1700/2100 band. I believe that is the same technology used by T-Mobile?

Does anyone know if this would work on Verizon Wireless?
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I asked Brian Klug, the author of the Anandtech review, this exact question and here is my question and his response.
"Hey Brian I have a quick question for you. Will the unlocked editions support HSPA+ 42?"
"The developer unlocked edition is only 21.1 single carrier 64QAM from what I know (AT&T variant)."
Judging by his review he's a lot smarter than I am so I'll take his word until we have confirmation otherwise.

mouzaihem said:
Wait, what the hell? So the developer edition works on T-Mobiles network? When was this updated?
Nevermind, for some reason I thought it also included the 1700 band.
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It always has. You just had to be in the refarmed 1900 or the LTE areas to get better than 2G.
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TheGman125 said:
Does anyone know if this would work on Verizon Wireless?
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No, it won't. No CDMA authorization for it to do so.

Du22ty said:
I asked Brian Klug, the author of the Anandtech review, this exact question and here is my question and his response.
"Hey Brian I have a quick question for you. Will the unlocked editions support HSPA+ 42?"
"The developer unlocked edition is only 21.1 single carrier 64QAM from what I know (AT&T variant)."
Judging by his review he's a lot smarter than I am so I'll take his word until we have confirmation otherwise.
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That's disappointing... I really was hoping to have the 2 current best speeds for the One...LTE and upto 42Mbps.
Im with Telus and beginning to wonder if I should sacrifice 32Gb of storage and go with a Telus LTE/42Mbps device
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I highly doubt its 21 hes speculating. I posted info from diffrent sources regardingthe dc42. The mdm9215 supports dchspa by default.

Nyxagamemnon said:
I highly doubt its 21 hes speculating. I posted info from diffrent sources regardingthe dc42. The mdm9215 supports dchspa by default.
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It is 21 if using AWS on the T-Mobile system. I don't know what it gets on ATT.