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For people that have questions (Q)

This is a development area.
Meaning if you have created something fixed an error then this is where you post. if you have questions please make a topic in the General section this area is getting filled with junk and multiple post asking things that have been posted if you would just learn to use a button we call the search bar at the top right.
I'm not the mod on this Device but as a dev for this device I want to keep things clean unlike all the other areas. I want people to look as the development area and be like ok thats a rom or recover or root and not have to ask questions.
Next is when in a topic please keep on topic. a few topics are 90% junk because people not staying on topic. DONT make posts that say "I hope this is fixed soon or I'm going to get rid of this device" GROW UP go do some reading and help to to make a fix.

I have to add my 2 cents to this. It's really nice if people other their help and discuss things but sometimes threads have to stay clean in order to be helpful for other developers. So please think about if it's really necessary to add your stuff. Otherwise please use the general section.
If you help the developers to do their stuff quickly we'll be able to write how to threads faster for you guys.
Personally I'll pick only a few persons for testing. This will result in less bricked devices
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Maybe link the [DEV] thread to a [DISCUSSION] thread in general section so noobs like use can talk about the development of a given project and not actually post in the [DEV] thread itself.
Also, I wouldn't hesitate to report a post or thread to the mod. I'm not sure how active he is here but it could use a little cleaning.

gammaRascal said:
Maybe link the [DEV] thread to a [DISCUSSION] thread in general section so noobs like use can talk about the development of a given project and not actually post in the [DEV] thread itself.
Also, I wouldn't hesitate to report a post or thread to the mod. I'm not sure how active he is here but it could use a little cleaning.
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I tried to set this a few days ago: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056198 but the people don't listen

its a good idea but if people have a question since we dont have a questions area like other forums it needs to be in the general area. or they need to learn to use a search bar/engine. im just tired of pms/email/threads that have been answered already.

dc13 said:
its a good idea but if people have a question since we dont have a questions area like other forums it needs to be in the general area. or they need to learn to use a search bar/engine. im just tired of pms/email/threads that have been answered already.
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You would think by now with how prevalent forums are for all aspects of life, people would know how to use the search feature.
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I tried to set this a few days ago: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056198 but the people don't listen
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What I meant, exactly, was say a developer starts in on a project - they start their development thread and in the first post, add a link to a discussion thread in the general forum:
[DEV] My project Title
This is my project explanation.
Link to [DISCUSSION] Thread.
So basically, you start you [DEV] thread. Then when you're done, start a [DISCUSSION] thread then link the two together. So noobs, right from the first post, can see the link to the discussion thread. If someone posts a question or chit chat in you [DEV] thread, have it moved to the [DISCUSSION] thread.
I know, it's not ideal, just a thought.

gammaRascal said:
What I meant, exactly, was say a developer starts in on a project - they start their development thread and in the first post, add a link to a discussion thread in the general forum:
[DEV] My project Title
This is my project explanation.
Link to [DISCUSSION] Thread.
So basically, you start you [DEV] thread. Then when you're done, start a [DISCUSSION] thread then link the two together. So noobs, right from the first post, can see the link to the discussion thread. If someone posts a question or chit chat in you [DEV] thread, have it moved to the [DISCUSSION] thread.
I know, it's not ideal, just a thought.
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This actually sounds really good to me. The only kicker being what is considred on topic and what isn't? Are testing successes and failures relevant to a dev thread? Only successes? Only "breakthrough" moments? To be determibed by an elite group of our super-dev peers? Determined by the original poster?
Its a very subjective issue, dependent on the knowledge level and/or experience of the poster and reader both (or simply based on what one is hoping to find at that moment as compared to how disappointed one is by what they do find instead).
It could also get really complicated really fast.

Ultimately thats up to the OP.
The whole point is that a dev thread can only stay as clean as there are ways to do it. At least with a seperate (though connected) discussion thread, it can be directed. If someone posts in the dev thread, it should be up to that threads OP whether or not it can stay or be moved- at least now there would be a place to move it.

BUMP!! cause people dont like going to the second page. STOP making questions here this is for DEV's that have something to make the Iconia better not hi can i do this. go to the GENERAL AREA

I am not a developer, and this is the only post I can see myself ever posting here.
I enjoy reading this section like I'd read a detailed tech news site. I know that these same people also read the general section, so I can benefit from their input there.
Here, this section, this is their place to work! They share ideas here. They make things happen here. Aside from this post, I never want to clutter their desks, because I benefit so much from their hard work!
Is there any way to just make you guys permissible to post? Maybe you should have to be a dev to post? All can read, but devs would contact the mod to post? With a Discussion Thread linked in that environment, I could see a solution.
I still want to read. Its valuable. But aside from this post, I have no reason to write here. Butt every reason to watch progress, for my own education and to see what might be round the bend

anyone can be a dev. it just means u fixed a bug or made something happen thats what this section is for not hey can some1 help get you tube working or something like that.

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[PSA] Idea to combat offtopic posts and comments

Hey there,
I, like many of you, am sick and tired of people not understanding simple concepts about the Development section of the forums. I seem to have come up with a solution that will allow devs to speak freely and easily and at the same time keep us informed of their progress to stop all the bs comments that I've been seeing.
I would love to say wipe the dev thread and start again, but I know that would be inconvenient for any mod or dev to do and so step one is to start a new sub-forum with a specific set of permissions. Remember that Verified Developers rank or whatever it was that xda opened registrations for not too long ago? My suggestion is make sure that only verified developers can post in this new subforum (called something like Atrix 4G Developers Chat) but allow all users to view it and click the thanks button (I will get to this in a second)
By creating a new forum It will allow;
Devs to release their latest inventions without all the spam
Devs to help each other without all the spam
All users will still be able to thank their favourite devs but CLICKING THE THANKS BUTTON
No-one will be pressuring the devs for an ETA on a release or update as they won't be able too, sure they can still start topics in the Q&A or general, but at least now it won't fill the release threads with crap.
Normal users will still be able to get in contact with devs if they have a suggestion or feedback (about bugs/problems not spam) via private messages, the freenode IRC or in the Q&A or general forums.
This is just a suggestion that I came up with quite a while ago but remembered last night when I was browsing xda on my phone and couldn't believe how many times I had to stop myself from posting more offtopic posts just to combat the already offtopic posts put there by others.
If you like this idea, please post your feedback here even if it is as simple as a +1 10char10char reply and hopefully this gets picked up and implemented if many users like it.

The way I see it the Dev can post the "meat and butter" in the Dev only forum and he or someone else can post a "feedback" thread in a more appropriate forum. This allows everyone to post what they want in response to the Dev and still have the real information in the Dev forum. The Dev, or another Dev could transcribe what is relevant to the Dev discussion.

_Dennis_ said:
The way I see it the Dev can post the "meat and butter" in the Dev only forum and he or someone else can post a "feedback" thread in a more appropriate forum. This allows everyone to post what they want in response to the Dev and still have the real information in the Dev forum. The Dev, or another Dev could transcribe what is relevant to the Dev discussion.
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Kind of like Sogarth's latest post. It will work out wonderfully and people can still post "lol, whens it coming out dQQd? zomg thanks!" without cluttering his -real- post.

yea kinda like that but officially implemented.. I assume the same idea could be implemented to many phones not just the Atrix forum.

I don't know. The problem are the bad posts, not the place where they're posted. If the hypothetical dev doesn't care about feedback, he wouldn't read the responses anyway. If he does, he would have to go through the same bad posts, only that now it's in General.
I'd prefer a solution i've seen in other fora, in which users can upvote or downvote individual posts. Any post that gets downvoted too much gets buried, along with any quotes referring that post. It also gets automatically deleted after being buried for some time. We have a great community here, and i'm sure it would work quite well. A checkbox "show/hide buried threads" (where the OP got downvoted) would clean up silly questions in the dev forum.
The only catch is that it might require rewriting of the forum code.

^ upvote that idea - and adopting the idea early.

Fifow said:
I don't know. The problem are the bad posts, not the place where they're posted. If the hypothetical dev doesn't care about feedback, he wouldn't read the responses anyway. If he does, he would have to go through the same bad posts, only that now it's in General.
I'd prefer a solution i've seen in other fora, in which users can upvote or downvote individual posts. Any post that gets downvoted too much gets buried, along with any quotes referring that post. It also gets automatically deleted after being buried for some time. We have a great community here, and i'm sure it would work quite well. A checkbox "show/hide buried threads" (where the OP got downvoted) would clean up silly questions in the dev forum.
The only catch is that it might require rewriting of the forum code.
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I Agree... is there any VBulletin plugin to do that? I guess it is..

Fifow said:
I don't know. The problem are the bad posts, not the place where they're posted. If the hypothetical dev doesn't care about feedback, he wouldn't read the responses anyway. If he does, he would have to go through the same bad posts, only that now it's in General.
I'd prefer a solution i've seen in other fora, in which users can upvote or downvote individual posts. Any post that gets downvoted too much gets buried, along with any quotes referring that post. It also gets automatically deleted after being buried for some time. We have a great community here, and i'm sure it would work quite well. A checkbox "show/hide buried threads" (where the OP got downvoted) would clean up silly questions in the dev forum.
The only catch is that it might require rewriting of the forum code.
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I'd upvote this post!
Basically you're talking like the comments on Slashdot or StackExchange, right? I think that would be slick, although it would be a huge shift I think.
It looks like something like this might fit the bill.
Dislike Posts: Allows users to dislike a post. Great for situations where someone is spamming, posting ridiculous content etc.
Auto Collapse Disliked Post: Collapses a post so it doesnt show up by default when the number of Dislikes outnumber likes by 'X'
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Some days I'd kill for a "dislike" button that would downvote and hide posts.

Questions regarding this forum....

Had an atrix for a few months now and have come to this forum almost daily to read and learn but have not posted until now. Below are just a couple general questions/opinions that I have based on how this forum conducts itself especially compared to other forums I frequent.
1. Why do people think they are owed something by devs and especially for it to be done on a timetable? To the best of my knowledge these people all have work/school/family’s/friends and work on this stuff on there own time and are not paid to do it.
note: to those who complain about making donations to devs and thinking this entitles you to the above learn the definition of DONATION, summarized as “gifts given to benefit a cause with nothing expected in return.”...otherwise it would be a purchase, investment, or wage.
2. Why can’t people read a thread before starting a thread or posting a reply, usually to ask a question that was already answered several times already in that thread or others?
3. In relation to question 2, why does this forum not have more moderators, especially in the Dev forum were people can’t seem to grasp what should be posted in there or what a appropriate reply is. Almost every thread worth readying takes 5x longer to read than it should to weed through the morons who seem to just want to voice there 2cents worth (and most isn’t worth that).
My theory is, if everyone just took a few minutes to search and read before posting then not only would they not fill the forum with junk they would also learn and potentially be able to contribute to the overall knowledge of the forum. I do want to thank those who already do this, I know I have learned an immense amount after coming here a complete android noob.

I agree with you for donations, however, I take exception on those who have spread themselves too thin, have opened up way too many projects and failed to deliver usable results on any of them. If you've got the donation pot out and you fail to deliver on all your promises, expect some reverb to come your way.
As for the rest of your post, you're definitely preaching to the choir

I'll be honest, I'm a little disappointed in the tone that gets set through this forum sometimes. Just like the devs have families/jobs/life outside of this forum so does everyone else. Now I 100% agree with using the search feature or even google to find information you need, I just think it doesn't always have to take a smart a$$ response when someone asks a question.
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I agree with you fully and that is why I truely believe my idea would clean up the forums immensely. (at least the important part - dev section)
Create ANOTHER sub-forum dedicated to announcements/discussions by actual developers. Make this forum public so all can read and keep up to date, but only those specifically allowed, such as recognized developers are allowed to reply. You could even split the existing dev section into two: Recognized Developer talk/User Developments.
This would:
1. Stop people asking for release dates, they are able to see exactly what is being done and when
2. Stop the release threads, such as PseudoROMs and Fastboot files for new SBFs getting clogged with "0MGz Tkx BRuu!"
3. Maybe make more developers post about their current status if they know they aren't going to cause another flame war or pointless thread due to arguing.
Just my two cents.
- DarkRyoushii

DarkRyoushii said:
I agree with you fully and that is why I truely believe my idea would clean up the forums immensely. (at least the important part - dev section)
Create ANOTHER sub-forum dedicated to announcements/discussions by actual developers. Make this forum public so all can read and keep up to date, but only those specifically allowed, such as recognized developers are allowed to reply. You could even split the existing dev section into two: Recognized Developer talk/User Developments.
This would:
1. Stop people asking for release dates, they are able to see exactly what is being done and when
2. Stop the release threads, such as PseudoROMs and Fastboot files for new SBFs getting clogged with "0MGz Tkx BRuu!"
3. Maybe make more developers post about their current status if they know they aren't going to cause another flame war or pointless thread due to arguing.
Just my two cents.
- DarkRyoushii
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we tried this on the samdroid forum and it worked ...keep a dev section for releases and a discussion section for the releases.
so every mod/rom had a thread in the dev section (restricted to dev's only for posting) and a thread in the discussion section for questions and thanks etc.

[I9001] Is there hope for us?

If someone takes a look at our little community, on first thought he wouldn't find anything interesting, well except the fact that not much developing is being done, but if they keep an eye on our section for a while they would notice a lot of rule breaking, bad habits, childish comments etc... so, after a while a person starts to ask himself some stuff, like:
Will people ever learn not to post non dev stuff in dev section? especially those who post questions, while there is a dedicated Q&A section for that, u just have to use the [I9001] tag and someone will answer u.There are also the general threads, like benchmarking ,announcements, enquiries (especially about ICS and other progress) etc... and all this stuff should be originally posted in General. now it's normal that every now and then someone opens a non dev related thread in dev section, but when u get 4-5 new threads daily it becomes annoying.
Now moving on to the bad habits, things like lil chit chats, non related posts, posts in different language other than english etc... they're all basic stuff that people who ever used any forums should be aware of.
And lastly, the childish reactions/comments by some people (and i'm not gonna name names here) which really isn't necessary in this forum. comments like "this is a copy of my rom" or "my tool has more options than the other one u are using" or "when i build a rom it will be the best one" adding to that the benchmark competitions, as if we're all in a penis measuring contest in which everyone has to prove he's the biggest man. that kind of attitude doesn't contribute to the general mood of our section. What some people need to understand is that all roms we have are based on stock roms, with little modifications/themes/tweaks that are universal, non of those which were ported by one dev exclusively onto his rom, so accusing someone else of stealing or copying is for least funny and childish.
The fact stays that among the active users in our section there are only 3 real devs, 2 of them are hardly logging in, while the third is the most active at the moment and he's the only one working on porting something, my point is, people should accept the fact that the majority are modders at best, and should keep their heads and feet on the ground.
anyways, i decided to open this thread coz everytime i throw a comment in a non related thread in dev section i get replies that accuse me of rage and disrespectfulness towards the other, which is not the case. so, as a conclusion, i hope there is hope for our community, and i hope someone will come across this post and it will remind him everytime he'd think about doing one of the things mentioned above. Cheers.

A lot of your points are true but I want to mention this too:
I haven't been hanging around long on XDA but ever since early november im checking our development section 10-20 times per day.
Most time I see you posting is about offending others to stop posting offtopic.
This was (in some cases) as well against the rules.
Why don't you just ignore them?
Sometimes it is as annoying to see people posting "this is off topic", "stop spaming"(when there are only few off topic posts) as it is to see actually spam.
I just remind you of the ICS testing thread in dev where you "kindly" asked the mods to not move your thread. Whatever.
Yes, you're right. We only have about 2-3 developers. But due to the lack of development our dev section is more like a general section for our phone.
It is reasonable that people post non dev related things in the dev section, just because the general forum is not often used by I9001 user.
Lets be honest: 99% of the user have no idea of development (me included and you probably too). But we are all interested and like to contribute. It is not spam if someone thanks (for example) Yarde for his CM7 work. Its just annoying to see you insulting people who want to thank developers.
(And yes I know, there is a "thanks" button)
It always depends on the point of view.
Maybe Yarde/skywalker01 look at your post and the only thing they can see is spam (just because it is technically wrong).
Don't forget, it is just a forum where a lot of people come together to share interests.

Everyone has the right to their opinion, u stated urs, and i respect it , but not necessarily agree with it
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Most time I see you posting is about offending others to stop posting offtopic.
ts just annoying to see you insulting people who want to thank developers.
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link me to any of my posts where i "insult" people, and i don't mean when i comment stuff like "this is off topic" or "stop spamming and post in general" , i never insulted anyone in any of my posts i can assure u
I just remind you of the ICS testing thread in dev where you "kindly" asked the mods to not move your thread. Whatever.
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yes i kindly asked the mods not to move it so people could see it, and i got pm's from people who wanted to test what zackconsole was trying to build, and u can find all this in that thread, also if u check my last post in that thread, u will see that i also "kindly" asked the mods to close it bcoz of the spamming and non related posts.
Yes, you're right. We only have about 2-3 developers. But due to the lack of development our dev section is more like a general section for our phone.
It is reasonable that people post non dev related things in the dev section, just because the general forum is not often used by I9001 user.
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it's ok , if u're all satisfied with the way things are now and trust me, i've written this post coz i don't feel like guiding people every single day in which section they should post. if it was to xda rules, none of the questions that are asked in rom (and other dev) threads are allowed, when people have questions of any type they should ask in Q&A , the dev threads are only for dev discussion, but xda and the mods are flexible enough to let people post and ask in the corresponding threads, but it doesn't mean that that flexibility should be abused
And as for posts like "wow, this is great" , "thank u" , "nice job" etc.. they only pump up the post count and make it hard to navigate throughout the thread and find useful posts.Ignoring all these "issues" only leaves space for more such acts.

So what is the solution? Posting in [I9000] General forum even tho the majority of the user won't see it?
Popularity for our phone would help, otherwise I don't see a "Galaxy S I9001 General" section.

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annqx said:
So what is the solution? Posting in [I9000] General forum even tho the majority of the user won't see it?
Popularity for our phone would help, otherwise I don't see a "Galaxy S I9001 General" section.
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if u take a look at our Q&A and General threads u will see a lot of my posts, i come by whenever i'm online even though i'm not obliged to, but i look at it this way, if people asking for help won't get it here it's logical that they will start posting their questions and problems in dev, so even if i don't have a solution for someone's problem i try to give a suggestion or any sort of help, and i would appreciate it if more users would visit our threads and help others, that's the only way to get people to post there. If someone doesn't want to use our threads they can always post in I9000 Q&A or General sections , as long as they use the [I9001] tag, someone of us will notice it for sure, after all that's how u got to my post in I9000 General
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lol i remember baadnewz when he was still in the desire forum, he made that link famous

Official forum help.

Ok, so something weird happened today. For some reason, I've been banned from the official forums for "spam". The notice says to contact a forum admin, but there isn't any way to do so. I have never posted any spam so I'm not sure why this happened. If an admin from the official forum sees this or if someone would please contact an admin, I would like to discuss and appeal this. Thank you.

ZiQn3zZ said:
Ok, so something weird happened today. For some reason, I've been banned from the official forums for "spam". The notice says to contact a forum admin, but there isn't any way to do so. I have never posted any spam so I'm not sure why this happened. If an admin from the official forum sees this or if someone would please contact an admin, I would like to discuss and appeal this. Thank you.
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Hi I just read this message, you can't be banned or you wouldn't be able to post this. If you can forward any email/message you got then I will look at it for you
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Sawdoctor

sawdoctor said:
Hi I just read this message, you can't be banned or you wouldn't be able to post this. If you can forward any email/message you got then I will look at it for you
Regards
Sawdoctor
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I'm not banned from XDA. I'm banned from the Official Phoenix OS Forum. But, their forum is a bit lower quality than XDA. There's always spam bots posting things about medications, women, travel trips, stuff in Russian, etc. As I said above, I wouldn't ask here at all, but even though the message says to contact their forum admin, they have no such way to do so.

ZiQn3zZ said:
I'm not banned from XDA. I'm banned from the Official Phoenix OS Forum. But, their forum is a bit lower quality than XDA. There's always spam bots posting things about medications, women, travel trips, stuff in Russian, etc. As I said above, I wouldn't ask here at all, but even though the message says to contact their forum admin, they have no such way to do so.
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you should have said so ... other forum registrations / bans / issues aren`t our area of interest though you may be able to find someone to guide or advice you
Thread moved to this q&a section now , this doesn`t belong to Miscellaneous Android Development
Thanks for understanding
Dan

If you read the OP, I did say so. I started this topic in the correct forum. This is the only other place that some of the users/mods of Phoenix OS use besides the official forums. Therefore, it's the only place such an issue would be seen and sent to the correct people. Please, move this topic back to where it was.

ZiQn3zZ said:
If you read the OP, I did say so. I started this topic in the correct forum. This is the only other place that some of the users/mods of Phoenix OS use besides the official forums. Therefore, it's the only place such an issue would be seen and sent to the correct people. Please, move this topic back to where it was.
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This threads turns out to a "who's right and who's wrong" thread and becomes useless
Again, you did not mention on your first post which forum you seemed to be banned, you said "official forum" and we thought you were talking about xda official forum not that external website where, read what I've said above
And second, Miscellaneous Android development is NOT the correct place here on XDA to post questions /issues whatever because you think it is more visible , this is the place
I might also remove the link from your post as the xda rules does not allow advertising or encouraging the users to participate or whatever on external websites for mobile phones
If this discussion derails more than has been already happening , can be easily closed as irrelevant for the XDA's forum topics
You may use the pm function for further concerns
Thank you