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GS2 4.3 spec is great but 4.3 is off putting

Hey guys been checking out the specs of GS2 and I like it..they have not confirmed which CPU its using and it maybe Samsungs or tegra.
anyways I would actually get this since atrix will take ages before hits UK BUT and i mean BUT 4.3 inc screen is putting me off. 4" is just about acceptable for me. Also that size of a phone is going to reduce the total sale of the handset, Even my friends who work in phone stores say they find it hard to sell bigger screen phone's. SGS was ok to sell because it was light and not that much bigger in total size then an iphone but they found it hard to sell phone's like Desire HD especially to female customers. I have GS1 currently.
Any one else being put off by larger phone?

It has been comfirmed that its gonna be using Exynos in some regions and Tegra2 in other regions... same for the Super Amoled Plus screen. Some regoins will not get that.
As for the size my hands are big enough.
I would say if your hands arnt that big i wouldnt buy it. Its like someone with massive hands using the Galaxy Tab for a phone.. it just wont work.

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Ronaldo_9 said:
Hey guys been checking out the specs of GS2 and I like it..they have not confirmed which CPU its using and it maybe Samsungs or tegra.
anyways I would actually get this since atrix will take ages before hits UK BUT and i mean BUT 4.3 inc screen is putting me off. 4" is just about acceptable for me. Also that size of a phone is going to reduce the total sale of the handset, Even my friends who work in phone stores say they find it hard to sell bigger screen phone's. SGS was ok to sell because it was light and not that much bigger in total size then an iphone but they found it hard to sell phone's like Desire HD especially to female customers. I have GS1 currently.
Any one else being put off by larger phone?
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The difference in size between SGS1 and SGS2 is very small.
SGS2 is 2 mm wider, 3 mm longer but also thinner and lighter.

if only they release a 4.3 Exynos version and 4" tegra that would be sweet.. oh well gonna have to wait to see what else comes out soon.

I love big screen phones, using a desire hd and galaxy tab and tried once going back from 4.3 " to 4" and found that I very much prefer the bigger screen. Even though the battery on my dhd sucks the only reason I haven't switched phones yet is because I can't find any with the same screen size, but now that the galaxy 2 is coming I will get one to replace my dhd.
I'm actually eyeing the samsung infuse with the 4.5" screen but I don't think it will be released in europe :-(
Swyped from my sexy galaxy tab

I have a feeling this phone isn't gonna feel like a big screen phone, due to how thin and light it is. If your really worried just wait until you can paw one in the shops.

I hope atrix hits UK soon along with GS2 but in carphone warehouse, i have friends who can get 30% off

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Well I own an hd2, which has a 4.3" screen. It isn't big, and I have the hands of a teenage girl. It fits nicely, and isn't much of a nuisance in my pocket either. So I dun think you should really worry about the 4.3" screen.

Also, according to the Engadget article, the bezel is very small, so you get a lot of screen without carrying a cinder block around.
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Certainly the size will be offputting to some, not me though.
Interesting that the increased screen size seems to be because of the real stripe matrix in use here, doesn't bode well for Samsung adopting qHD anytime soon does it?

NZtechfreak said:
Certainly the size will be offputting to some, not me though.
Interesting that the increased screen size seems to be because of the real stripe matrix in use here, doesn't bode well for Samsung adopting qHD anytime soon does it?
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I personally find the retina display and qHD nothing more than just a marketing gimmick.
When I had my 800x480 Desire next to my girlfriend's iPhone 4 I couldn't see the benefit of it. Websites often fit on the screen when in desktop mode, but most things were too small to read and I had to zoom in anyway just like I would have had to do on my Desire. The rest looked pretty much the same. But who knows, maybe it's just that my eyes suck.
In the end, I'd rather have a display that is better at saving battery rather than showing me detail which my eyes can't see.

I like higher resolutions for browsing/document display, more important with a view to HDMI mirroring, qHD on a screen this size should be able to display text that is readable fully zoomed out, so I don't buy it as just a marketing gimmick. Its not a biggy in terms of this phone, but when qHD becomes more standard and more apps are customised for it then it may become an issue, but thats really a worry for future handsets.

martino2k6 said:
I personally find the retina display and qHD nothing more than just a marketing gimmick.
When I had my 800x480 Desire next to my girlfriend's iPhone 4 I couldn't see the benefit of it. Websites often fit on the screen when in desktop mode, but most things were too small to read and I had to zoom in anyway just like I would have had to do on my Desire. The rest looked pretty much the same. But who knows, maybe it's just that my eyes suck.
In the end, I'd rather have a display that is better at saving battery rather than showing me detail which my eyes can't see.
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Iphone4 has much better battery life the desire, i had one for 5 months. retina display is the best overall quality display in terms of image and text quality. I'm an Android person and since i buy my handsets off line, i pay the higher prices for phones but any one says that there is a better display then iphone4's is talking crap because they just hate apple or they cant tell difference due to their eye sight.
Any screen that uses Pentile Matrix to me sucks, I love how amoled works but pentile sucks.
With qHD using pentile well i'd rather use super amoled plus but would need to see it inhand. Pentile is what is found on amoled and super amoled like desire/SGS, the text look poor when zoomed out and fuzzy with 800x480 resolution you normally shouldnt have to zoom in to see text on a 4" but you do. For me text looked better on desire then SGS because it was 3.7" at same resolution so the pentile was squeezed together in 3.7” .
I’v had iphone 4, desire, SGS and nokia n900 in front of me at once and I would honestly say websites and text looked great on n900 and you can read without zooming (landscape mode on all). Iphone4 image quality and text is fantastic you don’t even see a pixel due to the density. On desire and SGS you can see each dot that makes up a text or icon on desktop. But videos look great on super amoled and blacks well they look great as the led are turned off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family

NZtechfreak said:
I like higher resolutions for browsing/document display, more important with a view to HDMI mirroring, qHD on a screen this size should be able to display text that is readable fully zoomed out, so I don't buy it as just a marketing gimmick. Its not a biggy in terms of this phone, but when qHD becomes more standard and more apps are customised for it then it may become an issue, but thats really a worry for future handsets.
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The HDMI mirroring and a higher resolution screen is a fair point. I know that when playing video it should output it in the video's resolution (so no mirroring), but I wonder how it deals with pictures.
Ronaldo_9 said:
Iphone4 has much better battery life the desire, i had one for 5 months. retina display is the best overall quality display in terms of image and text quality. I'm an Android person and since i buy my handsets off line, i pay the higher prices for phones but any one says that there is a better display then iphone4's is talking crap because they just hate apple or they cant tell difference due to their eye sight.
Any screen that uses Pentile Matrix to me sucks, I love how amoled works but pentile sucks.
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Yeah, it does have a better battery life. The multitasking on iOS is more limited than on Android, so there's a better guarantee that there won't be things running in the background that are eating the battery away, and the CPU is down-clocked too. Furthermore they use Li-Pol batteries, which is something that I'd like to see on other devices too. However it is well known that AMOLED screens consume significantly less energy than any other screen technology available at the moment, so if you stuck one into an iPhone the battery would be even better.
But seriously, aren't you taking all this a bit too personally? I'm no Apple hater, not sure why you made me one. Just because I had an opinion that differs from yours? Well, how mature. I was merely stating what I found out when I was playing with the two devices, didn't imply that what I said was the holy grail and the only truth.

Not taking it personally but i just adding some information and my views

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MikeyMike01 said:
I was right, you are Steve Jobs.
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You think you're a funny guy? Go be funny somewhere else, useless post to increase post count...

tegra 2 equipped will come to US .
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I think samsung should abandon the SAMOLED tech for now.

Burn-in, image retention, colors degrading with time my god there are so many issues with SAMOLED screens I personally dont feel that super amazing contrast is worth all that.
It seems with the galaxy S and nexus S the problems werent as huge as they have become with the SGS2, galaxy note and galaxy nexus. With an LCD phone if there is a problem it will be manufacturing problem and not something that would develop after several months.
It seems with every new generation of SAMOLED screen the image quality is getting better but the problems are getting worse. LCD's on the other hand are only getting better with no problems.
I think if samsung is unable to improve on the SAMOLED tech then they should just suspend it for now until they can improve it. Samsung makes the beautiful LCD on my nexus S, samsung also provides HTC with the screen of the HTC one X which is widely regarded as the best smartphone screen. Samsung also makes the screen of the ipad 3. Samsung obviously knows how to make an LCD thats better than the competition if they were to make one for their own flagship.
So what is your opinion on the matter?

people buy galaxy series for amoled screen so i dont think samsung ever going to stop making them..and as per anandtech review of htc one x display make is sony...
gs2...

manojcitc said:
people buy galaxy series for amoled screen so i dont think samsung ever going to stop making them..and as per anandtech review of htc one x display make is sony...
gs2...
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Alright, first of all, it's not amoled's problem. it is the pentile technology. it lowers the screen res because it shares sub pixels. However, the galaxy s ii uses AMOLED PLUS, the PLUS means it's like LCD, uses RGB layout, with superb colour contrast along with high res graphics, no pentile ruining the details. so just be patient until AMOLED HD PLUS comes out. It will have: High Res, No pentile, High Contrast. Believe me, it will be 100x better than the One X.

Billchen0014 said:
Alright, first of all, it's not amoled's problem. it is the pentile technology. it lowers the screen res because it shares sub pixels. However, the galaxy s ii uses AMOLED PLUS, the PLUS means it's like LCD, uses RGB layout, with superb colour contrast along with high res graphics, no pentile ruining the details. so just be patient until AMOLED HD PLUS comes out. It will have: High Res, No pentile, High Contrast. Believe me, it will be 100x better than the One X.
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But this doesn't sort out (mainly):
-Unnatural colours which need severe and constant attention as individual OLED lifetimes progress
-Strong possibility of burn in and an effectively similar effect (due to OLED lifetimes as above)
-Generally weak outdoors
I'm not sold on either path for the long term, but there is no denying LCDs in the current day have blown past practically all of their disadvantages. The only benefit i see of OLED technology in the foreseeable future is the ability to produce a "true" black (and lower power consumption as a result). While this is an awesome benefit, there is more far bad than good beyond this.
I'm unsure how far engineering can take OLEDs though. If we're hitting the peak of the bell curve i'd have to agree with the OP. Otherwise, competition and choice is good.

After using a samoled screen I could NEVER go back to the washed out colors of a standard led. I have yet to see any type of burn in on my screen. 90% of it's life will be with screen off anyway so really who cares.
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Go to att store and look at the HTC one x screen. Come back and report that it screen is washed out....

This tech of display was a junk which has used on benq-Siemens mobile phone five years ago.
However, Samsung bought this from someone who develop this screen and keeping develop until now. The problems still don't fix:thumbdown::thumbdown:

In my eyes, Samoled looks really gorgeous and can't live without it. But that's just my opinion.
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albundy2010 said:
Go to att store and look at the HTC one x screen. Come back and report that it screen is washed out....
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No need to go that far, the i9023's SC-LCD is a stunning looking display. My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex (which happily doesn't have strong yellow/green tints stock, which makes me like his more than most OLEDs). Considering that it is close, the only benefit his has is definitely the black contrast (big benefit no doubt). Nothing else is particularly noteworthy above the other.
But i can leave my screen on all day knowing it will be just as pretty as always.

Heck even the nexus S i9023 has such a great LCD in my opinion. The colors are more saturated than an iphone 4 but not so much as SAMOLED which in my opinion is the best balance. It's also so visibly sharper and much better whites. If nexus S had retina pixel density then the SC-LCD could match the one X to be honest.
The advantages of SAMOLED are,
Pure blacks
Fastest response time
A smaller footprint which helps in making phones lighter and thinner
Now to me only the first one is a major advantage. But is it worth all the problems? I really dont think so.

Harbb said:
My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex
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Yes exactly when I first used the gnexus I thought it's going to blow away the display on my nexus S but it really didnt. I preferred the colors on nexus S and it was also visibly brighter at full brightness.
The gnexus does destroy it in black level but then the nexus S LCD does the same to the gnexus when you compare whites, they were simply horrible on the gnexus. I am really surprised google went with a white background in the messaging app, it not only looks bad on the gnexus but would kill battery as well.

Harbb said:
No need to go that far, the i9023's SC-LCD is a stunning looking display. My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex (which happily doesn't have strong yellow/green tints stock, which makes me like his more than most OLEDs). Considering that it is close, the only benefit his has is definitely the black contrast (big benefit no doubt). Nothing else is particularly noteworthy above the other.
But i can leave my screen on all day knowing it will be just as pretty as always.
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Here in the states it is rare to see people with a nexus period. Most that you do see are the sprints. Chances of a 9023 are basically nil.
But yeah if you know someone with a phone that has a good LCD check it out. Or just go down to the store and look. Better yet wait till sprint stores in the us put its version on HTC one x on display. Use that side by side with gnex
That last part was to the person that said LCD sucks. Not harbb

I find it really interesting that most of the people commenting in the thread seem to prefer LCD, but the poll dominates for SAMOLED.

Good point albundy, and i know what you were saying I've never actually seen an i9020A/T/4G myself so i can't compare them to the GNex and i can't remember the last time i saw an SGS around here.
As the poll is worded quite nicely, i think i'll actually vote for once. Too many polls are black and white, nicely played Gambler.
edit: Polls are just that, polls. Just as many people said cpuidle saved more battery than deep idle (i think for quite a while it was more in favor of cpuidle). Look at how that turned out

Back when I would edit photos on my nexus. I really wanted the exact right shade for my eyes on the picture.
Well after I edited the photo on my nexus, upload it to Book it was diffdnt
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Guys, I had a Nexus S i9023 (LCD), and my dad has a i9020T (samoled), and all i can say is that I wish I had his phone... the colors look MUCH MUCH MUCH nicer on a Samoled man!!!!!!!

Coming from a G2, the colors on the NS look much nicer. My phone has a minor blue line where the status bar is, but you really can't see it unless you concentrate on that area. The only reason I saw it was because of some friggin' super white background on some webpage

even if they look nicer they are still fake.
fake is not cool.
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Shark_On_Land said:
even if they look nicer they are still fake.
fake is not cool.
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Go f*ck your iphone
Ps : sarcasm

Heh. Maybe. I enjoy looking at them. Had I been serious about taking photos, I'd probably get an actual camera.

SIII's Pentile display

I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?

alexanter the great said:
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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Seriously?
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alexanter the great said:
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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"...faarrr wayyy a head..."
You don't want to know my opinion on your post. Seriously.

Humm.. I don't know i found this in gsmarena. You see the values for GS3 and Nexus are different. I don't know if the display would be the same.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p2.php
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alexanter the great said:
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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You are kidding me right?
Look at my signature and i will tell you right now that Note's screen blows away Galaxy SII's
Oddly enough, i prefer Note's screen over the Nexus. Maybe because of the ability to adjust the color temp or the fact that it's larger

alexanter the great said:
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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DOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! It's frowned upon to state your opinion on the SIII screen / phone / hardware in any way, shape or form, in a negative manner in the SIII forum. Even if it is just your own opinion. Will you never learn!?!?!?
But in all seriousness, Google how to start up an online blog and I'll gladly subscribe.

Reckless187 said:
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! It's frowned upon to state your opinion on the SIII screen / phone / hardware in any way, shape or form, in a negative manner in the SIII forum. Even if it is just your own opinion. Will you never learn!?!?!?
But in all seriousness, Google how to start up an online blog and I'll gladly subscribe.
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I've complained about the GalNex in the Galaxy Nexus forum and i wasn't alone in the way i felt but he's pretty much alone here

alexanter the great said:
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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I think you need to do tons of research before you come and make such claims.
SGS3 =/= Galaxy Nexus display wise.
Manufacturing of the SGS3's display has been improved upon in comparison to GN in addition to the different light levels, the SGS3 uses Gorilla Glass 2 which is thinner giving it less light diffusion in the glass giving it better view ability.
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Reckless187 said:
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! It's frowned upon to state your opinion on the SIII screen / phone / hardware in any way, shape or form, in a negative manner in the SIII forum. Even if it is just your own opinion. Will you never learn!?!?!?
But in all seriousness, Google how to start up an online blog and I'll gladly subscribe.
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The problem isn't people giving their "opinion" but people claiming their opinions as 'facts" with no evidence. The OP is obviously assuming the GN and the SGS3 have the same kind of screen otherwise why wouldn't he post this in the GN forum?

ph00ny said:
You are kidding me right?
Look at my signature and i will tell you right now that Note's screen blows away Galaxy SII's
Oddly enough, i prefer Note's screen over the Nexus. Maybe because of the ability to adjust the color temp or the fact that it's larger
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+1, went to a phone store today, took a good look at the Note's screen, it's nothing short of amazing. I'm not afraid anymore of the S3's screen, since it basicly will be a smaller version of the Note's screen. Also a few good reviews showed me that the S3's screen is one of the best ever.
I love it how human's work. They hear the word "pentile" and like sheep everybody starts saying it's "so bad, so bad", while many probably don't even know what it is. This entire pentile madness needs to stop. Just take a look at the screen and if you like it, buy it. If not, don't.
I loved it how a website that reviewed the S3 already gave the phone to some people and lied to them that it's "not pentile", they loved it an all (while they also go crazy when knowing a screen is pentile, they say they can see pixels and ****). Then afterwards, the guy told those people it's actually pentile xD I have a strong feeling it's all placebo effect.

Yet another pointless and poorly written thread to discuss one of the least important aspects of a PHONE...whether the HIGH DEFINITION screen on a PHONE is good enough for you to get through your day. First world problems to the extreme.

AviatorJud said:
Yet another pointless and poorly written thread to discuss one of the least important aspects of a PHONE...whether the HIGH DEFINITION screen on a PHONE is good enough for you to get through your day. First world problems to the extreme.
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Least important? I beg to differ
On touchscreen device, nothing is more important than the screen itself

I was worried about the screen after reading random people complain about it here, after reading some reviews and looking at the screen comparison here i dont see any reason to worry.
mobile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s3-fl-en.shtml
I will be buying a Samsung S3 over the HTX One X and the Samsung S2 for that matter

wrongpost

varunkumars said:
Humm.. I don't know i found this in gsmarena. You see the values for GS3 and Nexus are different. I don't know if the display would be the same.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p2.php
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I guess the difference in brightness could be contributed, partially at least, to the fact that the S3 has Gorilla Glass2, which can be used in thinner sheets without sacrificing strenght.

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Least important? I beg to differ
On touchscreen device, nothing is more important than the screen itself
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You know exactly what I meant. You mean to say that if the HD screen on your phone isn't as sharp as a high end IPS LCD then that somehow limits your ability to use your touchscreen device? Pure rubbish. This is a PHONE, not a digital movie screen.

varunkumars said:
Humm.. I don't know i found this in gsmarena. You see the values for GS3 and Nexus are different. I don't know if the display would be the same.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p2.php
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in case of this table, the galaxy note has a much better screen than sgs3

banone said:
I guess the difference in brightness could be contributed, partially at least, to the fact that the S3 has Gorilla Glass2, which can be used in thinner sheets without sacrificing strenght.
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No, it just makes it more vieawable. The glass has nothing to do with the brightness. They are different factors.

MrMvp said:
I was worried about the screen after reading random people complain about it here, after reading some reviews and looking at the screen comparison here i dont see any reason to worry.
mobile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s3-fl-en.shtml
I will be buying a Samsung S3 over the HTX One X and the Samsung S2 for that matter
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Thank you so much buddy. I pre-ordered one but when i saw this post i was truly worried about the Screen. I am using Galaxy s2 at the moment. After looking at the pictures in mobile-review i confidently say Galaxy s3's display is the best of all in terms of color saturation and Vividness.
Guys please take a look at the sample pics. I don't see any reason to worry S3 has the best display of all. I think most us are worried about retaining the saturated colors in S2, yes it is retained. See the images.

the thing is gnexus has lower brightness than s3 so it might be the cause. If not you are one among the few rare candidates who can see the pentile matrix directly without any lens, so its better for you to stay away from s3.
btw does thing thing need a new thread?

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No, it just makes it more vieawable. The glass has nothing to do with the brightness. They are different factors.
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Well i cut this from Cornings site:
"Corning Gorilla Glass 2 enables up to a 20 percent reduction in glass thickness, while maintaining the industry-leading damage resistance, toughness, and scratch resistance customers have come to expect from the world’s most widely deployed cover glass. The thinner Gorilla Glass 2 enables slimmer and sleeker devices, brighter images, and greater touch sensitivity. These benefits can provide electronics manufacturers with superior design flexibility as they address consumer demand for increasingly high-performing, touch-sensitive, and durable mobile devices."
If Gorillaglass 2 allows for a 20% reduction in thickness compared to the original Gorillaglass, one would think it should increase the brightness a bit. I'm not saying its the whole story, but they do infact mention that it enables brighter images in the exerpt above.

Nexus S alternatives

I tried out a Nexus S, but for a couple unrelated reasons I had to return it. One thing that did bother me slightly was the screen. The edges of text looked fuzzy and had small red dots peppering the edges, I assume due to the pentile matrix.
I've been considering the Photon 4g as a replacement, as they aren't much more used and have better specs. But they still use a pentile matrix. Would the qHD resolution make much of a difference? I don't think moving from the sAMOLED to an LCD will bother me, except if the pentile fuzziness is more pronounced. Also, anything else I should be worried about comparing these phones? I really liked the size of the Nexus S and the performance really didn't bother me. I don't need the world's greatest camera. I mainly want a clear screen and a fluid UI.
I've also considered an Epic 4g Touch but it's quite a bit more expensive and I don't know how that resolution would fare at 4.5" (despite being RGB... better than Nexus S pentile at 4.0"?)

Get the i9023 then, a really crisp and clear screen but wont have the same contrast as the i9020. Also bear in mind what I feel is the real drawback of i9023 that it is noticeably thicker and heavier than the AMOLED version. It is also a bit taller but thats something you wont notice.

jryan388 said:
I tried out a Nexus S, but for a couple unrelated reasons I had to return it. One thing that did bother me slightly was the screen. The edges of text looked fuzzy and had small red dots peppering the edges, I assume due to the pentile matrix.
I've been considering the Photon 4g as a replacement, as they aren't much more used and have better specs. But they still use a pentile matrix. Would the qHD resolution make much of a difference? I don't think moving from the sAMOLED to an LCD will bother me, except if the pentile fuzziness is more pronounced. Also, anything else I should be worried about comparing these phones? I really liked the size of the Nexus S and the performance really didn't bother me. I don't need the world's greatest camera. I mainly want a clear screen and a fluid UI.
I've also considered an Epic 4g Touch but it's quite a bit more expensive and I don't know how that resolution would fare at 4.5" (despite being RGB... better than Nexus S pentile at 4.0"?)
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Go for a galaxy nexus or galaxy s2. Nexus s is outdated for jellybean, i think

Cascabreu said:
Nexus s is outdated for jellybean, i think
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That is just not true. NS is running better than ever on JB. If the GS3 or Galaxy Nexus is not an option, then look around the dev threads for the GS2 and Photon or whatever else you are considering and make sure you can get JellyBean on there some way or another, or at least something with active development.

You should have rooted and used voodoo sound to make colors more crisp

No way to get a i9023 in the US (at least very few available).
And I'm not looking for amazing contrast; I want clear lines. No matter what resolution, vertical lines should be crisp, and they're not. Pixellation is really quite annoying, and I would gladly trade sAMOLED for RGB LCD.

I think you have a defective nexus then. Cuz I have a i9020t and don't have what your talking abouy

It does sound like a defective Nexus S. I tried a lot in the shops before I bought one and I never came across the issue you describe. I ended up with the i9023 Super LCD version and the screen is absolutely fantastic. It would be worth looking around trying to find an i9023 if you're having problems with the AMOLED one.

g1user101 said:
I think you have a defective nexus then. Cuz I have a i9020t and don't have what your talking abouy
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We all share the same problems due to the lame pentile matrix, just that some of us are more sensitive to actually noticing it
IMO, pentile works when ppi is dense enough, like on the galaxy nexus
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Unfortunately I need it on sprint. The i9023 is GSM only, right? Also, I considered the photon 4g but I don't want to wait till q4 for ics and it has a locked bootloader (why oh why, moto?) I would love something like the dinc2 or atrix 2 or sensation but sprint has a terrible selection. Doesn't need to be the fastest but $150 used is reasonable.
Also I got a replacement ns since the other was still activated and this one is turning blue if I tilt it past like 5 degrees in any direction and there is a small blue spot on the bottom right. So sick of problems.
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You should get the s3 s2 or the gnex
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So I got to play with an S4 today...

... Not enough to make me regret my purchase of the HTC One.
My previous phone was a S3, which I absolutely loved and had me seriously excited about the S4. However, holding the one I knew which one to go for. Had my one for about 2 weeks now, and I love it but had that niggling worry that I'd regret my decision.
Today, that worry was cleared up.
The Samsung rep visited us today with an s4. and I got to play with it for a short while. Yes, the ability to interact with the screen without touching it is pretty cool, but apart from the lock screen I started getting frustrated with it (kept touching the screen). The health app is very nice, and laid out really well, but like many of the other features, its just not something I need or want.
The actual UI felt laggy, like it was running slower that 24fps. Switching through home pages on both devices at the same time and it just looked smoother on the One. The Samsung rep said he felt otherwise but he is paid to say that
The screen on the S4, in my opinion is much nicer than the one on my One. Granted, the One has quite a dark coloured interface and the S4 has a very colourful vibrant interface, but I just felt the colours were much more alive than on the One.
The build quality is nice on the S4, with all completely uniform gaps around the device, where as the one has gaps etc. However, the S4 does indeed feel cheap to hold. The texture of the plastic doesn't feel amazing, the weight is nice but just lacks that... premium feel.
I know most of these points (if not all) have been covered on reviews etc. but I thought it might be nice to put my 2 pence in as a HTC One owner and previous Samsung user. I do not regret my purchase and still feel I have bought the better device for my own needs and wants.
raty

cool story bro

For balance just to say my One has no gaps, perfect build.
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Post on s4 forums .

To be fair I'd love a display with a bezel like the S4 but wouldn't sacrifice the quality of the screen in the One for a S4 display.

The thing is..the screen on the S4 is OLED so the colours will look far more vibrant but, they wont be accurate and its a pentile display. I am quite keen to get my hands on an S4 just to see what its like.

I would say the HTC One is like a Rolls Royce Phantom and the S4 like a Nissan GTR.

Goof choice. I was on deciding which phone to get for a month. Chose the HTC one . Boom sound is awesome. Sense is pretttyyyyy compared to touchwiz. For 649 vs 750 for a s4, it was a no brainer for me. Also im going to sell hundreds of s4 throughout this year anyways lol
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I would say the HTC One is like a Rolls Royce Phantom and the S4 like a Nissan GTR.
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I hope note as I would prefer the GTR
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Some nice info there mate! I think the only thing i prefer on the S4 is the AMOLED display.
Can i ask a question? Before i do, i know the S4 has improved ALOT on the PPI on the display, however, when i had the S3 i also had my One X, when holding them together, the screen on the One X was such much clearer! Much harder to see the Pixels, but on the S3 the pixels stood out like a sore thumb? Was this something you noticed on the S4 compared to the One? Or have they dramatically improved on this and its now similar to HTC? This is something i would like to know.

My HTC One has no gaps at all.
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Some nice info there mate! I think the only thing i prefer on the S4 is the AMOLED display.
Can i ask a question? Before i do, i know the S4 has improved ALOT on the PPI on the display, however, when i had the S3 i also had my One X, when holding them together, the screen on the One X was such much clearer! Much harder to see the Pixels, but on the S3 the pixels stood out like a sore thumb? Was this something you noticed on the S4 compared to the One? Or have they dramatically improved on this and its now similar to HTC? This is something i would like to know.
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I was curious about this too, as I had hopes AMOLED had been improved. But honestly I see the same flaws as on earlier iterations:
Dirty whites (turquoise), even in film mode (early measurements reported accurate color temperature, but if you look at it, it is clear that RGB balance is off) - most colorimeters can't measure OLED correctly.
Quite a bit dimmer than the best LCD displays
Discoloration with off axis viewing
Are you sure you prefer the AMOLED screen? I have had an AMOLED for the last 2 years and I can't look at them anymore. AMOLED were OK when LCD's were dimmer, but now the gap is huge.
Honestly, if you can, try browsing the same web pages in parallel on the S4 and the One. It is literally "night and day". It doesn't need to be outdoor. Even in the store the HTC One's screen strikes you as the more vibrant one. I will likely be measuring the S4's screen myself because I don't believe those early measurements that showed a 6500K color temperature. The screen has a green push even in film mode...
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The actual UI felt laggy, like it was running slower that 24fps. Switching through home pages on both devices at the same time and it just looked smoother on the One. The Samsung rep said he felt otherwise but he is paid to say that
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I also saw that!!! I was very surprised by this considering my S2 had a smooth experience. I don't know if the overclocking created voltage throttling but it was as you said, laggy and reminded me of the HTC One X when it first started. The browsing experience was horrible.

Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).

The new oled screen in the S4 is amazingly good. It's actually far superior to the S3 screen.
I played with it on Sunday and I like it.
It's really nice and it will definately sell really well. I love the fact that they added easy mode. This will be such a great way to get noobies to switch to a smartphone($$).
I still prefer the One and I hope it does well. I feel like the One is meant for a different type of user. Samsung is for the mass and the HTC is for those who care.
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Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
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I have seen the display mate contribution. I like their approach but I don't agree with their conclusions (and it should be noted they have been fierce promoters of OLED displays since the Galaxy S came about).
For one, they fail to mention that even though the measured white color temperature is close to 6500K, the whites actually suffer from greenish cast - so pentile does matter, as there is a discoloration depending on how you look at the screen, and sadly, looking straight at the screen shows a turquoise veil whereas looking more from the side seemed to clean the screen a little from its dirty whites.
Second, the auto-adjust brightness feature taxes the battery so much that no one in their right mind will use it on the go.
When measuring pentile OLED displays it is important to note:
The orientation of the meter has an impact on the measurement, especially on screens with asymmetric structure such as pentile screens...this is something that I would like to quantify on the S4 when I get a chance
Colorimeters will not measure OLED displays correctly out of the box (this point is not relevant here, though, because I think Displaymate used CS-200 spectrophotometer)
So the theory is one thing, but the practice is completely different story. Please believe me that when I saw the measurements made by Displaymate and others I was quite enthusiastic (my S2 does not track as accurately). But while testing both screens in a real life situation, it became very clear to me the AMOLED screen did not live up to its alleged qualities, even in film mode.
Regarding peak brightness, HTC One also has an adaptative brightness mechanism with peak brightness at 530cd/m², but in daily use it is more around 460cd/m². Regardless, the lack of brightness is not totally offset by the better reflectance value, so OLED displays still are poorer performers outdoor and it is even worse indoor under moderate lightning as the S4 does not tap into its peak brightness at any time...
So my question to you. Have you been to a shop to compare both devices and if so, can you in good faith maintain that the HTC One's display does not trounce the S4's AMOLED? The difference was shocking to me. At first I thought it was down to my particular unit but seeing as someone is reporting the same experience, I think this is the screen as it is on any S4 device.

hello00 said:
cool story bro
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wow really?

NZtechfreak said:
Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
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That's true, I wouldn't even bother nitpicking on S4's screen. The only concern could be AMOLED tends to deteriorate faster(which is impossible to tell right now), otherwise I don't see a big con on S4 screen. I feel more comfortable with LCD but hey , a well-calibrated AMOLED isn't bad at all. it's just about preference.
Honestly, if anyone could tell a difference between 440/460 ppi, or even 720p/1080p on a phone, and I'll consider you the "God's eye". I got a phone with 330 ppi (darn it was good at that time) three months ago, and I could not easily tell the difference from my nexus7(~220ppi).

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So my question to you. Have you been to a shop to compare both devices and if so, can you in good faith maintain that the HTC One's display does not trounce the S4's AMOLED? The difference was shocking to me. At first I thought it was down to my particular unit but seeing as someone is reporting the same experience, I think this is the screen as it is on any S4 device.
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Hopefully tomorrow! I'm meant to be getting my HTC One this afternoon unless Fedex fails me (usually they are very reliable here in NZ, so I'm hoping not). I get my S4 tomorrow.

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Don't forget the common issue with ugly screen burn in that most people experience with AMOLED from Samsung, pretty big issue as its a matter of when not if and sometimes happening inside of a month, don't even need your screen on for this to happen.
Noidea why this hasn't been mentioned and really should be on the side of the box as a warning.

patato2 said:
That's true, I wouldn't even bother nitpicking on S4's screen. The only concern could be AMOLED tends to deteriorate faster(which is impossible to tell right now), otherwise I don't see a big con on S4 screen. I feel more comfortable with LCD but hey , a well-calibrated AMOLED isn't bad at all. it's just about preference.
Honestly, if anyone could tell a difference between 440/460 ppi, or even 720p/1080p on a phone, and I'll consider you the "God's eye". I got a phone with 330 ppi (darn it was good at that time) three months ago, and I could not easily tell the difference from my nexus7(~220ppi).
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Pentile doesn't matter so much because of resolution but more because of the greenish discoloration it produces. Dynamic or Film mode has no impact, it is just an inherent flaw. Sure you can get used to it but you come back to an LCD screen you realize what you have been missing out on.