do you think Windows 8 RT (ARM) could ever be ported successfully to the transformer, or even the prime or some other tablet?
i know it's not open source and that makes a HUUGE difference. so, what are the chances?
obviously it's a bit early to tell for sure, but how likely do you think?
I doubt it since it gonna come preinstalled with hardware.
http://www.techspot.com/news/48217-windows-8-editions-revealed-two-retail-one-for-arm-one-for-enterprise.html
Even if you were able to copy it to another tablet you would not be able to update it. At least legally.
Our only hope is that ms would sell it alone.
Im wondering how restricted it will be because if it runs like standard windows someone using it on a tablet could run a backup and push out an image that people on android could use.
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I very much doubt it as the WinRT code won't be open sourced so it would have to be one hell of a reverse engineering job to get it ported.
It would be like trying to get iOS ported to our TFs
I just hope splashtop or some other RDP software will have the ability to automaticly turn on all touch-features in win8 when you connect from your tablet.
Would make it a hell a lot easier to remote control your PC without keyboard and mouse.
If someone can figure out how to dump it then it is possible.
This is going back a few years & obviously Win8 whole different animal from WM6.5. I remember when it was announced that the beloved Dell Axim x51 was not going to be updated to WM6.5. Some of the devs did figure out how to make it happen. Going that route you do run into a whole host of legal issues.
In not sure why you would want to downgrade?
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Possible, but what's the point? Windows 8 RT isn't proper Windows, it's not get any apps, and has that horrible Metro user interface.
I love the metro interface. It is just so simple and smart. I would also love to use Windows 8 with a touchscreen to enable all the touch features.
Also, I think of it this way... As some person said on this thread, it is not actually Windows 8, cause you cant get out of metro. And it is a really big issue. But I mean, it is like installing Linux on your TF. You would just install it, check it out for a little while, and then switch back for android. I wouldn't actually use Linux on the Transformer. On Linux you wouldn't actually use Word or Excel on your TF. And if you had windows, same thing... you probably wouldn't use Photoshop or After Effects because you just don't need to. If you are on a mobile device, obviously the OS has to be limited only on the features that are useful on a mobile device. Photoshop would burn your TF most probably, so I don't really see the use of using the classic Windows desktop with a Transformer.
P.S. The Metro UI freaking ROCKS!
I'm going to counter and say I can't stand metro ui. At all. If I got win8 (In love with 7 atm) I'd instantly switch to desktop mode and never look at metro again.
I really hope they release a generic arm version, I want windows on my tab. It'd allow me to do so much graphically and musically, but for now,
Ubuntu xD
Windows 8 has high hardware requirement, atleast prime is needed I think for it to work
B60 TF101 16gb WW version. Never rooted.
Well, you can overclock the TF a considerable bit, my worry would be RAM usage, since Windows is a RAM hog. It's supposed to have lower Reqs than Windows 7, though.
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Well, you can overclock the TF a considerable bit, my worry would be RAM usage, since Windows is a RAM hog. It's supposed to have lower Reqs than Windows 7, though.
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the ram for this device is too low even for modified android and for browsing sites and watching flash video.
is ram not like the cheapest component?
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I made a post in another thread stating why I think it's not going to happen.
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I don't anticipate it being possible to run Win8 on the tf101.
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It's unlikely that Windows 8 ARM will be available except preinstalled on devices; unlike PCs, the installation would be different for and specific to each device. So if we assume that is the case;
Windows 8 will probably come on a device with only the drivers necessary for that specific device. You could cite space constraints on that. Why would drivers for any other device be included?
Secondly, building a kernel specifically for the transformer is not going to happen. Why? The Windows kernel is not open source. obviously current kernels we have won't help, because they are Linux.
That last point is probably the biggest reason why we won't see it happening. Not having the source severely limits what can be done.
I wouldn't get my hopes up for this.
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Windows 8 on ARM is more about breaking away from the limitations Intel has in the mobile space. It has nothing to do with compatibility. Microsoft doesn't want to lose any more licenses of Windows to Apple with the iPad (MS makes more money on every Android phone than on Windows Phone).
ARM won't run the desktop. No one cares about Windows if they can't run their old apps. It's DOA.
Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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"never say never"
look at the HTC HD2, a device that was shipped with WinMo 6.1, now it can run Windows Phone 7.5, Android (ICS included), Ubuntu, booting from NAND (with 2 different boot loaders written from scratch), with nearly full hardware support for everything.
When Asus releases WinRT tablets, they will reuse some of the hardware they use in Android tablets, so they will have the correct code compiled, and hackers will backport it to other tablets...
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Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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uhm wtf? xbox best selling game console worldwide? about 20 million kinects sold?
anyway... for win 8 I say we'll see and we'll know then.
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Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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Go back to doing what ever you were doing on your Mac or ipad!
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Go back to doing what ever you were doing on your Mac or ipad!
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Comon man we all know microsoft copied ipads angry birds when made xbox360!!
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Ok I have no desire to run windows 7 mobile here, but I do need the desktop operating system. I really still need windows for various real estate apps that are only available for windows. So does anyone know of an emulator for windows that will run on any android device, honeycomb or gingerbread?
It'd be nice.. I need windows to run Ragnarok Online.
...but more to the point, to emulate something, you'd need something with massively stronger hardware, right?
Windows wont run on arm cpus and there arwnt ant android virtualization apps that i know of. Maybe once we get linux on here you could install virtualbox so you can run windows that way lol
Your best bet would be to set up remote desktop/vnc
Besides remote desktop and vnc, I think you would been better off with a Windows laptop.
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Besides remote desktop and vnc, I think you would been better off with a Windows laptop.
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Ugh, that was exactly what I was trying to avoid. I think windows laptops are so overpriced compared to android tablets.
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Besides remote desktop and vnc, I think you would been better off with a Windows laptop
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Correct, because even if we would have Virtualbox available, we wouldn't have enough RAM.
If a small Windows 7 machine is needed, I would recommend the Asus 1201L, which I bought for my sweetheart. It has HD Ready resolution and comes with Win7 Home instead of the horrible Starter Edition.
It came with 1 GB RAM and was horribly slow, but after upgrading to 3 GB even Photoshop CS3 runs fine ... I wouldn't install current 3D games though
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I think windows laptops are so overpriced compared to android tablets.
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The above mentioned 1201L including RAM upgrade is cheaper than the Transformer and MUCH more powerfull
EyeAndroid said:
Ugh, that was exactly what I was trying to avoid. I think windows laptops are so overpriced compared to android tablets.
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Go for a netbook then:
ASUS Transformer 16GB ~$500AUD
ASUS Eee PC you can easily find ~$300AUD+
Plus, there are 14" or so laptops for under $500AUD. I'm sure it'd be similar in the States.
But at OP: If you really wanted to run Windows 7 apps, a honeycombe tablet isn't really a very good option... Your best bet, if you don't want to VNC, would be to install Ubuntu and run Windows apps under Wine on your TF (see the developement thread for instructions).
Until Windows 8 ARM comes out, there's not much of a possibility of running Windows 7 on your tablet (unless you get one of those horrid x86 tablets...).
Well what I meant was windows tablets over android tablets. I was looking at a butt ugly, resource hog, underpowered windows tablet today and it was like $999. Almost $1000! Windows has got to be kidding me! And the touch screen experience was a joke! It was all over the place, inaccurate, and slow!
I've definitely got to look into getting that unbuntu that runs windows apps. That's all I wanted to do! Could care less if its windows running it or not, just as long as it works!
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EyeAndroid said:
Well what I meant was windows tablets over android tablets.
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People interested in Windows tablets should wait until next year, when a tablet optimized Windows 8 is available.
Current tablet hardware is to weak for Win7 !!!
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I've definitely got to look into getting that unbuntu that runs windows apps.
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Even if it's possible to boot the TF with Ubuntu, I doubt, that the Wine experience would be great with only 1GB RAM.
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Well what I meant was windows tablets over android tablets. I was looking at a butt ugly, resource hog, underpowered windows tablet today and it was like $999. Almost $1000! Windows has got to be kidding me! And the touch screen experience was a joke! It was all over the place, inaccurate, and slow!
I've definitely got to look into getting that unbuntu that runs windows apps. That's all I wanted to do! Could care less if its windows running it or not, just as long as it works!
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Heheh... I know what you mean about the current Windows tablets
Anyway, yeah about Wine under Ubuntu: Wine isn't a perfect application. It doesn't enable you to run all Windows apps under Linux, but it does run quite a few usefull ones (Office is pretty much perfect in my past experience, along with quite a few games).
But yeah, as Aymara said, not too sure how the Wine experience would be on a tablet. Never really used it with this kind of hardware... very big newbie at ARM Linux, but you never know... it could run okay. Haven't tried yet.
Ok then. Well, I've never really tried a remote desktop app. Do they work well? Or are they glitchy and unusuable?
Which one would everyone recommend as a good option? Preferably something free and reliable, haha if those 2 can be in the same sentence here.
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There's already one bundled with your Transformer. On your PC, head on over to http://www.splashtop.com/remote/browser/download?from=product and install that product. Then on your Transformer, open the "My Cloud" app (I think that's the name), and there's a remote control tab there. If you're connected to the same wifi network as your computer, it should automatically find your computer and allow you to connect.
You could get the cheapest windows laptop that can run well, and then get bluestacks to run android apps on windows. It's kind of the reverse of what you're trying to do, but it'd kill two birds with one stone
http://www.bluestacks.com/
Why Wine? Ram aside it's for x86 only... and if it did emulate that architecture the speed would be horrible, it's not just cool to virtualize instead of emulating, there is an impressive performance difference.
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Microsoft announced Windows 8 tablet a week or so ago. You might want to see how that turns out. It's suppose to run all windows apps.
I think you're all still forgetting 1 major thing...all the windows apps are written for x86....what makes you think that even with Wine, you could run an x86 program? You'd be emulating the Windows environment with an ARM cpu, but you wouldn't be emulating the machine code for x86. You'd probably still need some kind of emulator to make that work. You'd still have to emulate x86 in some way shape or form. Honestly, I've looked into Windows, and there are some decent ports (look up QEMU, the russians managed to get a good thing working with Win95 there, but it doesn't work well on the Transformer) but it's really just not worth it. It's a gimmick and nothing more.
To the OP, if you really want a Windows tablet, check out the new MSI Wind 110W. Windows 7 tablet, 4gb of ram, 32 gb ssd, $599 (USD). It's probably the closest thing to what you will want.
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I think you're all still forgetting 1 major thing...all the windows apps are written for x86....what makes you think that even with Wine, you could run an x86 program? You'd be emulating the Windows environment with an ARM cpu, but you wouldn't be emulating the machine code for x86. You'd probably still need some kind of emulator to make that work. You'd still have to emulate x86 in some way shape or form. Honestly, I've looked into Windows, and there are some decent ports (look up QEMU, the russians managed to get a good thing working with Win95 there, but it doesn't work well on the Transformer) but it's really just not worth it. It's a gimmick and nothing more.
To the OP, if you really want a Windows tablet, check out the new MSI Wind 110W. Windows 7 tablet, 4gb of ram, 32 gb ssd, $599 (USD). It's probably the closest thing to what you will want.
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Take a read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta_Crusoe
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Ok then. Well, I've never really tried a remote desktop app. Do they work well? Or are they glitchy and unusuable?
Which one would everyone recommend as a good option? Preferably something free and reliable, haha if those 2 can be in the same sentence here.
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I use androidVNC and Logmein with my TF connecting to workstations and servers at work quite well actually. Much better than my DroidX phone and HP 2140 netbook.
Logmein for Android is pricey but androidVNC is free if I recall correctly.
Now wouldn't that be the ****
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Iconia W500.
What's next for the ultimate HD2
Wouldn't that be something if windows ran on the iconic HD2 that i just sold for my sensation LOL. I'll never unestimate the power of that device
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Wouldn't that be something if windows ran on the iconic HD2 that i just sold for my sensation LOL. I'll never unestimate the power of that device
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Truthfully, I think that might be the first thing that the devs can't pull off... The again, Windows 8 will have ARM support (read: no legacy apps, where 99.9% of windows x86/64 bit).... so we'll wait and See.
Dont get your hopes up, its closed source.
most likely, it's not happin'n
I tend to agree that it won't happen, people will try, they might make progress but it seems unlikely.
I think I'd rather just wait for official Windows 8 tablet hardware. They'll no doubt be superior (since most will run Tegra 3 if not 4), and who knows what they'll do with the digitizers. I'm hopeful that we'll get a Wacom digitizer that handles both capacitive touch and resistive with extensive pressure sensitivity for use in digital illustration. Time will tell.
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I think I'd rather just wait for official Windows 8 tablet hardware. They'll no doubt be superior (since most will run Tegra 3 if not 4), and who knows what they'll do with the digitizers. I'm hopeful that we'll get a Wacom digitizer that handles both capacitive touch and resistive with extensive pressure sensitivity for use in digital illustration. Time will tell.
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Yeah but how about W8 running on a 100$ piece of hardware? I mean how inexpensive can you get?
Why do people worry so much about Windows ARM version not running legacy apps?? New apps will be created for Windows 8 that integrate with Metro, I'm pretty sure that all respectable software companies and even independent developers are starting to plan and make ARM based apps for Windows 8. Windows 8 will be powerful, and software companies need to start developing the next generation of applications eventually.
ARM is the future, x86 is done and I refuse to buy an Intel tablet or next gen AMD all-in-one. And please don't tell me you want to open your excel spreadsheet on your tablet on your way home on the train, on, cause it's not 'cool'. /vent
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Why do people worry so much about Windows ARM version not running legacy apps?? New apps will be created for Windows 8 that integrate with Metro, I'm pretty sure that all respectable software companies and even independent developers are starting to plan and make ARM based apps for Windows 8. Windows 8 will be powerful, and software companies need to start developing the next generation of applications eventually.
ARM is the future, x86 is done and I refuse to buy an Intel tablet or next gen AMD all-in-one. And please don't tell me you want to open your excel spreadsheet on your tablet on your way home on the train, on, cause it's not 'cool'. /vent
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Don't you know the difference between Legacy apps and New apps?
and for your information, ARM may or may not be the future. Only time will tell.
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ARM is the future, x86 is done and I refuse to buy an Intel tablet or next gen AMD all-in-one. And please don't tell me you want to open your excel spreadsheet on your tablet on your way home on the train, on, cause it's not 'cool'. /vent
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Please... x86 isn't going anywhere for a long time.
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jasongw said:
I think I'd rather just wait for official Windows 8 tablet hardware. They'll no doubt be superior (since most will run Tegra 3 if not 4), and who knows what they'll do with the digitizers. I'm hopeful that we'll get a Wacom digitizer that handles both capacitive touch and resistive with extensive pressure sensitivity for use in digital illustration. Time will tell.
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Win 8 doesn't have support for Tegra yet.
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Win 8 doesn't have support for Tegra yet.
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yet. it will get arm support and then some. windows 8 looks more mature than android 3.0 and i love android.
i am using WP7 on my HD2 and it is kinda growing on me. Looks like microsoft is finally doing something right
I Can't wait till the ARM version leaks, or will it ever since it's not going to be sold as a standalone?
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yet. it will get arm support and then some. windows 8 looks more mature than android 3.0 and i love android.
i am using WP7 on my HD2 and it is kinda growing on me. Looks like microsoft is finally doing something right
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Mikey$oft doing something right?
Well I had faith in them when I got my HD7 running WP7 and installed Windows 7 for the first time.... Basically they had me from the 'Start'
But to be honest I'm using Windows 8 now and I can't explain it but it just 'feels' different, kinda like my cell phone and PC had a baby.
Well I know that the hp touchpad wont be able to run it. A developer said it would be impossible.
I really dont think microsoft will allow you to load win 8 tablet on any tablet, im sure there going to try and control everything
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Mikey$oft doing something right?
Well I had faith in them when I got my HD7 running WP7 and installed Windows 7 for the first time.... Basically they had me from the 'Start'
But to be honest I'm using Windows 8 now and I can't explain it but it just 'feels' different, kinda like my cell phone and PC had a baby.
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Please tell me how you flashed win 7 i am noob here
Well, would you look at that!
HP Testing Windows 8 on TouchPads
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads
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Well, would you look at that!
HP Testing Windows 8 on TouchPads
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads
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Saw that earlier today as well... hoping that gets leaked too.
Windows 8 on the Touchpad would be great.
Has anyone heard of a win8 arm beta program?
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Hey i have a question like when is the win 8 arm gonna come im tired of waiting already or is it possible to run any other microsoft os on acer iconia tab a500, or can you run win xp with qemu or something like that please help me really need it. thanks for all
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Hey i have a question like when is the win 8 arm gonna come im tired of waiting already or is it possible to run any other microsoft os on acer iconia tab a500, or can you run win xp with qemu or something like that please help me really need it. thanks for all
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Nobody really knows when or.. now IF it will come.
Microsoft seems to be hitting issues with and there is not much news in this lately. Somewhere i read is to not expect it until mid 2013 if ever..
NO as far as running any windows os on the iconia. What ever qemu is. if thats a emulator i never seen one to work correctly..so its unlikely and if so would be very slow and buggy..
Sell your A 500.. GET A W500.. i have considered trying to trade mine..
ANYONE INTERESTED .
You can use an app like Splashtop to mirror what your home PC is doing. It will look like it's running Windows...
You can use some Win 8 wallpaper and replicate a Metro look
You can even change the Force Close message to "This program has ended unexpectedly...." AKA Exception Error, AKA General Protection Fault.
ive had this conversation so many times its not even funny.
Mainly, forget about it.
Chances are virtually nonexistant you'll be able to buy windows 8 ARM. Even if there was a way to legally port it, which there isn't, it'd still require a whole new set of drivers (which would be incredibly hard to create) and a proprietary, closed source pre-boot environmentwhich would need to bbe illegally modified to make the os run.
Its pretty much impossible without Microsoft helping, which you know they won't do.
And I also feel it nessarry to point out that you won't be able to run windows x86 programs on windows 8 arm, making it a largely useless platform - you only have access to metro apps, and/or windows phone 7 apps. Stay with android, you'll thank me later.
Android rom on windows hardware . CAN I PLEASE..
Can i install the update .zip .. rom from my tablet to my Windows 7 AMD FUSION Cpu notebook..
can i can i can iiiii can i please....
Windows 8 requirements to battle fragmentation:
http://uk.appy-geek.com/Web/ArticleWeb3.aspx?regionid=4&articleid=1911699
Tegra 2 can run Windows 8 !
http://blogs.nvidia.com/2011/01/tegra-2-cameos-at-ballmer-ces-keynote-with-windows-on-arm-demo/
@akram_1 - Your 2nd link refers to the Jan 2011, presentation at CES where MS talked about running Win 8 on a Tegra 2 Tablet but it got no further and as Erica Renee said in post above yours, the whole idea of that setup bit the dust during 2011 when MS decided to quietly back away from the idea.
In Jan 2012 again at CES, MS Windows Chief Marketing Officer demonstrated Win 8 on ARM but this was on a special one off unit using the Tegra 3 chip and Metro.
So please don't hold your breath waiting for Win 8 on ARM running on the A500 otherwise you'll end up in the Guiness Book of Records as the "A500 owner with the bluest face and least detectable pulse rate".
Windows 8 on ARM? Absolutely
Windows 8 on the A500? Highly unlikely
Apparently there will be Windows 8 tablets coming out by the holiday shopping season. If any device will be able to natively run either Android or Windows (or even both in a dual-boot environment), it would most likely be on a device designed and marketed for Windows. In fact, now that I think about it, Android 5 (Jellybean?) will be expected around the same time. Seeing how Android has matured over the last few years, I expect this next version to blow us away. With any hopeful wishing, some tablet manufacturers may release the same hardware built to run both Windows and Android and sell them side-by-side. For example, a hypothetical Acer A900 and W900 would be exactly the same hardware, only difference being the OS, in which case they might just name such a tablet the T900A and T900W. Of course, this is just speculation. Also, I'm expecting a lot of these next-gen tablets to copy the design of the Transformer and Transformer Prime. These tablets will ship with a dock, and the UI will change according to how it's being used. In tablet mode, it will be in the Metro UI, then switch to a more familiar Windows UI when docked. If the hardware is being used interchangeably between Windows and Android, maybe Jellybean will feature different UI's based on which mode is being used. Take Cornerstone for example. Speculation once again, but this is what I'd like to see.
But yeah, as far as Windows on the A500... keep dreaming
Better luch if MS makes a tablet with a arm processor and some no decides to port it. Then you would have wp7 or whatever version they call it. I think right now that is the best you could hope for.
I agree with the above for the most part. I do belive Microsoft under estimated the efforts they would need to put into getting windows to run On arm.When and well If They do get a releasable product
(1) It will surely have one of the 3 fallowing problems . It will maybe run windows LIKE!!! programs And suck battery life.(BAD BAD AND A FAIL)
(2) It will Run windows Program like But be so Huge because of the extra batteries it will be to heavy to be useable.(Like the Current win 7 tabs.To big or no battery life.) This to would BE A BIG FAT FAIL.
(3) It will be a extension of the win phone operating system. The one that people complain about and toss and run back to android. Closed SOURCE very little development for it. Few but expensive apps.. WELL NOTHING MORE TO SAY BUT..
THIS TO IS A Near FAIL . They are huge and bulky or die Quickly..
I have 3 friends that have them. and pack charger and spair battery with them all the time..
The above are what i have been reading all over the web in one form or another..I also think there is something going on in the background behind peoples back.. I THINK LOCKING Devices to the installed OS will eventually be a non flash-able rom chip. with a secondary rom to incorporate updates and fixes to the first.. This would make devices obsolete much Quicker. Its becoming harder and harder for developers to break the boot loaders on these devices.
THE BOOT LOADER and its magic .. i feel is the reason acer has not release ICS. AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL NOT UNTIL THE FIX THIS
Just my Opinion. from what i have read over the last few months . There should be a international Protest NOt TO ACER OR ASUS or samsung .. BUT TO THE WORLD MANUFACTURERS. To get a law to disallow them to lock down NON CONTRACT DEVICES....
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/
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Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it
evil secure boot: if you get one of those, it won't run Android on it (unless someone cracks their keys)
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Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it
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so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk
Completely off-topic; this thread should be moved to a forum that has anything to do with Windows 8.
And incidentally, Win8 will be the next Vista. It will flop, badly. Microsoft has never managed an even slightly successful touch-screen OS, and Win8 has significant design limitations that will put people off once they finally get to try it.
As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
If Microsoft can make Windows 8 work and improve on the "tiles" portion, I think it could be a reasonable tablet OS.
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so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk
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I am sorry that you think that that was inconsiderate it just irritates me when someone opens a new thread for a topic that has already been discussed multiple times in the form of a device that will never get that operating system. There is an entire windows 8 section of XDA and i think that this post would have better served to start a discussion there
caseyc said:
As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
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What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.
What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
The point isn't that Windows necessarily suck at touchscreen capability, it's just that they don't seem to have attracted much attention with it. Whether it's because they also believe that bull**** Apple has created around tablets and want to be seen as a more serious company... or if they're just too damn slow and big to move quickly, who knows?
(By the way, slightly off topic, but where is the best source to gather all past financial history on Apple and Microsoft??)
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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Yeah, i really do wonder, how many people are going to buy some w8 tablet thinking that they might run any .exe files from their computer I believe there will be many flames thx to it. Not to mention the catastrophic amount of application after the launch....
And the impossibility to dualboot any other system -> w8 will be doomed and forgotten on arm.
asdfuogh said:
What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
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A pretty good percentage, I'd say, and the same is true of Android users. However, that straw man has nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is that Microsoft has had nothing but dismal failure with touchscreen features of every product they've offered.
CrazyPeter said:
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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This is one of the key problems I alluded to, and given the number of people in this very forum who don't understand that issue, the answer is "a lot".
CrazyPeter said:
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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blestsol said:
I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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Apparently, I am one, too. I am sadly mistaken, and was quite bigoted to have thought otherwise.
We have a ASUS see slate at the hospital that I work at. It runs Windows 7 64bit with a Solid state drive and 2 gigs of ram, able to go to 4 gigs. It is actually a very solid machine, And cost effictive for our hospital. Most doctors have dell xt2 tablets they carry around that are POS, cost around 3500. For like 1200 you can get a slate a eeeslate and keyboard.
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knoxploration said:
What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.
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Uh, what? I get that the marketing sucks and they only have like 3 tablets out that run Windows 7 (if that), but that doesn't mean it doesn't work well. I'm obviously not saying it is or ever will be as popular as Android/iOS tablets, hahahah.
Microsoft is an OS developer, and until they manufacture the hardware as well (which won't happen) they're going to have to license Windows to tablet manufacturers who actually want to make them. How many manufacturers want to pay a license for Windows when they can just as easily slap Android on any piece of hardware for free? Not to mention they've had to build Windows tablets using x86 architecture all along which isn't cheap when it's not mass-ordered by every other OEM.
That said, my point was that Windows 7 works surprisingly well as a tablet OS, not that it's going to compete for 1st place with the big boys.
Just as Windows Phone 7 is a relative dud, I'm sure Windows 8 ARM will be as well. Not because the OS doesn't work well on a tablet, but because they are FARRRRRR too late in the game. Popular app developers are just now starting to port their catalog to Android, it's not likely that they are going to consider also porting to Windows on ARM when the user base will be virtually non-existent.
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CrazyPeter said:
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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That's a great point, and I'm sure 90% of the people who buy Windows tablets are going to be people who want to take their desktop applications to a mobile platform.
I guess I just saw a glimmer of hope with the Windows 7 tablet I was surprised by in the store, but I'm being reminded how unlikely it is that Microsoft will ever succeed with any sort of a mobile product for regular consumers.
It's unfortunate, but both Windows 8 in it's tablet form, and Windows Phone 7 are relying on consumer ignorance to succeed.
The Tech news community are the ones at fault here, not highlighting these critical problems with the products, instead banking Microsoft's lucrative "advertising" payments in exchange for saying nice things.
Corporate America ****ing disgusts me. Almost as much as the lack of action by the US government in Microsoft's anti-trust practices.
Looking at the list of categories here, Microsoft have violated most of these at one time, and many they still continue to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-competitive_practices
I am waiting for win 8 Arm tablet
I am one waiting for an arm tablet on windows 8.
I was at one point looking forward to Win8 on ARM but after reading about how MS is going to be locking down ARM systems that run Win8 I have no desire any longer. When will MS and for that matter HW manufacturers understand that an ARM tablet is NO different than a white box PC. Leave it open and unlocked and if someone chooses to install Windows, Android, iOS, Linux, etc... let them.
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This week, Microsoft will unveil Windows 8 RT on their Surface while other vendors will roll their tablets with it.
Since none of us has Windows 8 RT tablet yet and no one has started tinkering inside those tablets (hardware & software in the tablet), I was wondering about something:
Basically if we take a TF300 tablet and compare it to Asus's other Windows 8 RT tablets, they are exactly the same in terms of hardware. Tegra 3, Nand flash, etc. In terms of storage, I'm sure Microsoft doesn't use ext2/3/4 partitions, they probably use their own NTFS or Fat32 or whatever.
In terms if booting the device, Android tablets (which are based on Tegra 3 at least) use whatever nVidia gives them to boot the system, recovery, APX etc. In the Windows tablets they use UEFI with secure boot.
My question: based on public info which we know, how hard would it be to make Windows 8 run on TF300? how hard would it be to install UEFI on the TF300? (IIRC it's not a special chip, it's just a piece of software in the firmware, and as androidroot.mobi showed - you can write on the firmware whatever you want).
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wrong section, and even if it wasnt, thats pirating windows
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hetzbh said:
My question: based on public info which we know, how hard would it be to make Windows 8 run on TF300? how hard would it be to install UEFI on the TF300? (IIRC it's not a special chip, it's just a piece of software in the firmware, and as androidroot.mobi showed - you can write on the firmware whatever you want).
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windows rt is sold only preinstalled, you cant buy it separatedly, you cant install it on something else than the tablet it came with.
and obviously you cant get the sources to thinker with.
pendragon11 said:
wrong section, and even if it wasnt, thats pirating windows
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Your reply doesn't make sense. What excatly do you mean by pirating windows? If you're talking about hacking, then isn't that what we all do?
PS. It's just like sex, its always better if its free.
pretty sure you don't pay for windows RT
I could be wrong though...
Plus, I don't quite know for sure how an android tablet would be compatible with the windows RT, I am sure there are some stupid things they added to make it so it wouldn't work out. It always seems to be out of our favor.
babymatteo said:
Your reply doesn't make sense. What excatly do you mean by pirating windows? If you're talking about hacking, then isn't that what we all do?
PS. It's just like sex, its always better if its free.
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as you cant buy it, the only way you can get it is by pirating it from another tablet.
read the forum rules, warez is not accepted on this forum.
babymatteo said:
Your reply doesn't make sense. What excatly do you mean by pirating windows? If you're talking about hacking, then isn't that what we all do?
PS. It's just like sex, its always better if its free.
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difference is that android is open source and the source code is shared in order to facilitate user development
windows and apple are closed source, and not allowed to pirate
Comon guys, don't be such a moderator wannabe ... the guy is just wondering if it's possible to port W8 RT to a TF300. He is not talking of asking about how to hack a W* RT device.
For example, if you bought yourself a W8 RT tablet and you want to try to extract the software and load it in into your OWN TF300 for personal use ... i can't see the real problem here.
Renzo4000 said:
Comon guys, don't be such a moderator wannabe ... the guy is just wondering if it's possible to port W8 RT to a TF300. He is not talking of asking about how to hack a W* RT device.
For example, if you bought yourself a W8 RT tablet and you want to try to extract the software and load it in into your OWN TF300 for personal use ... i can't see the real problem here.
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and, as we said, the answer is no, you cant, as microsoft wont sell you a copy.
Forget the sake of this discussion, forget about piracy. On many countries it's totally legit to grab a software from one of your machines and put it on another, as long as you purchased the software and as long as you don't give it to anyone else. For example: Microsoft allows you to install office with a single license on 2 or more computers, as long as only one of them is running the software at the same time.
How do you think all those emulators has began being developed? people started to talk if it's possible to run X application on Y platform, and if not, why?
Thats why I opened this thread - theory speaking, nothing more.
hetzbh said:
Forget the sake of this discussion, forget about piracy. On many countries it's totally legit to grab a software from one of your machines and put it on another, as long as you purchased the software and as long as you don't give it to anyone else. For example: Microsoft allows you to install office with a single license on 2 or more computers, as long as only one of them is running the software at the same time.
How do you think all those emulators has began being developed? people started to talk if it's possible to run X application on Y platform, and if not, why?
Thats why I opened this thread - theory speaking, nothing more.
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You have to be patient eventually it might be done. If i can run apples osx on my hp touch smart why wouldnt this be possible. but honestly id rather just buy the surface. if it is really a pc in tablet skin. Cuz honestly. I hate mobole browsers and all that crap. . Inever play games on my tablet only my son. All i do is watch movies and surf online. .sell tf300 buy surface.
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Like I see it you'd need root or sth. on a Surface or other Win8 Pad, get the system of it with kernel etc., make it compatible with Tf300 and its bootloader and then get the wright wifi drivers etc. compatible - seems like a long work, but as I know from other portings not impossible!
I am sure some very clever people will give it a go sometime soon.
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diamantericos said:
You have to be patient eventually it might be done. If i can run apples osx on my hp touch smart why wouldnt this be possible. but honestly id rather just buy the surface. if it is really a pc in tablet skin. Cuz honestly. I hate mobole browsers and all that crap. . Inever play games on my tablet only my son. All i do is watch movies and surf online. .sell tf300 buy surface.
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No Windows RT is a dumbed down version of Windows 8 with just the modern UI and a so called "desktop" for certain apps and it will not run any legacy windows applications. The RT version in my opinion is useless at least for the time being, because it need devs to make good content just like iOS and Android and that will take a few years. Just 2-3 years ago android was playing catch up to iOS, Windows RT will be the same.
The Intel based Surface i see great potentials for and that will be revolutionary to actually have the "PC in a tablet skin". With that one can run all software you have on a computer plus the great apps developers will make.
If you are thinking the Windows RT Surface will be any different then a Android tablet you are mistaken, sure there are few differences it will still use "apps" just like any other Android tablet and you won't be able to run and Windows games on it if that is what your thinking. What you want is the Intel based Surface.
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You never know, devs have ported Android to Windows Mobile phones so there maybe a way to get Window on the TF300. If a Dev has his/her mind set anything can be done.
I would like to just point out that the windows 8 forum is titled windows 8 development and hacking.... This is basically the definition of what we do.
In my opinion, windows 8 RT is free with the hardware that you purchase, seeing as you cannot buy the software, instead it is given to you. I see nothing wrong with trying to get windows 8 RT on our tablets. It's not like Microsoft could possibly be pissed off with other people practically advertising their sh*t, because you know as soon as they get it working, they're gonna tell all their buddies who are gonna want a windows 8 tablet, and if they can't do the porting, they'll probably go for a windows 8 tablet.... like possibly the slate.
My 2 cents have been given.
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burt_ie said:
I am sure some very clever people will give it a go sometime soon.
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it would appear it's been done! youtube.com/watch?v=Q0uWypmOIgs
ronotron said:
it would appear it's been done! youtube.com/watch?v=Q0uWypmOIgs
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Looks like a fake to me.....running splashtop?. you can clearly see the android notification bar towards the end of the video.
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Yup definitely running splashtop, you can also see the small keyboard button in the lower right hand corner.
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You can see the Android Taskbar... so remote desktop.
But also, what will be the purpose of installing Windows 8 RT on and Android device?
We wanted a different platform...
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Yup definitely running splashtop, you can also see the small keyboard button in the lower right hand corner.
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This thread should be closed and buried deep, so that no one will ever find this abomination. Let us never speak again of porting Microsoft's squared horror to the TF300T.
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