So will there be another OTA? If so is there a wishlist? Does it matter? - Epic 4G General

I'm pretty sure ICS came out late enough that Sprint and Samsung are not obligated to upgrade the Epic 4g to it. I'm also pretty sure we will not see an official ICS OTA upgrade.
So is there anything that could come in a GB OTA upgrade that would be useful to the developers here?
It seems as if a lot of Epic 4g development effort is dedicated to ICS as CM9 which is a good thing even though I'm not there yet.
So does anyone here care about Sprint/Samsung doing more GB development? Or have we gotten about all of the useful source we are going to get and the developers are essentially on their own from here?

garyf said:
I'm pretty sure ICS came out late enough that Sprint and Samsung are not obligated to upgrade the Epic 4g to it. I'm also pretty sure we will not see an official ICS OTA upgrade.
So is there anything that could come in a GB OTA upgrade that would be useful to the developers here?
It seems as if a lot of Epic 4g development effort is dedicated to ICS as CM9 which is a good thing even though I'm not there yet.
So does anyone here care about Sprint/Samsung doing more GB development? Or have we gotten about all of the useful source we are going to get and the developers are essentially on their own from here?
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Sprint/Samsung weren't obligated to update our devices to Gingerbread. It was sold under the premise that we would have Froyo, but not a revolving door of major OS upgrades. (Android Upgrade Alliance agreement defunct?)
There is development going on for EL30, our most recent OTA update of Gingerbread; as well as CM9, which is ICS based.
There is a leak labeled FB15, so it looks like there may be another official release being worked for our device. Keep in mind that it is still Gingerbread. So why are you asking about a "wishlist"?

nikon120 said:
Sprint/Samsung weren't obligated to update our devices to Gingerbread. It was sold under the premise that we would have Froyo, but not a revolving door of major OS upgrades. (Android Upgrade Alliance agreement defunct?)
There is development going on for EL30, our most recent OTA update of Gingerbread; as well as CM9, which is ICS based.
There is a leak labeled FB15, so it looks like there may be another official release being worked for our device. Keep in mind that it is still Gingerbread. So why are you asking about a "wishlist"?
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And I quote the OP:
"So is there anything that could come in a GB OTA upgrade that would be useful to the developers here?"
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I do not believe any "fixes" or improvements are going into the Epic. I do believe Sprint is looking for a less intrusive CIQ replacement to get their network data. So don't expect anything from Sprint or Samsung to help out the devs here. ICS ports are the future here and ICS official is not going to be on the Galaxy S series because of memory limitations due to the use of Samsung's proprietary BML File system.
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kennyglass123 said:
I do not believe any "fixes" or improvements are going into the Epic. I do believe Sprint is looking for a less intrusive CIQ replacement to get their network data. So don't expect anything from Sprint or Samsung to help out the devs here. ICS ports are the future here and ICS official is not going to be on the Galaxy S series because of memory limitations due to the use of Samsung's proprietary BML File system.
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Fc07 just got posted not to long ago
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XxLostSoulxX said:
Fc07 just got posted not to long ago
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Yes...with a mysterious new software service added and early version numbers...similiar to how CIQ was listed.

kennyglass123 said:
Yes...with a mysterious new software service added and early version numbers...similiar to how CIQ was listed.
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Less heavy CIQ probably most likeliness
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Ginger bread

Does anyone know if gingerbread will be ported to the samsung vibrant or any galaxy s phone. From developers that is. Since the nexus s is almost the same.
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Yes.
10 char.
Not so fast.
Samsung's (latest) official wording seems kind of wishy-washy.
“In case a new version of Android operating system is publicly announced and released, Samsung will review the possibility of implementation of such new version to the existing Samsung products with Android operating system (“Update”). Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation, the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products, the system requirements, the structural limitations, and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors. If Samsung decides to make the Update available to the users after such consideration, Samsung will use its efforts to develop such Update, which may be released to the users upon successful completion of such development.”
source: http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/samsung-and-htc-comment-on-gingerbread-update-plans/​
Sounds to me like they're giving themselves a hole to crawl out of. And seeing as how they're struggling to roll out Froyo as it is, they might just say f**k it to Gingerbread.
Although, there would probably be someone here who would port it over in the even that there's not an official update.
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Yes.
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chui101 said:
Not so fast.
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It doesn't have to be official. The OP asks whether the developers will port it and likely wasn't referring to Samsung.
Samsung now says it will get gingerbread.
as soon as the Nexus S source is released well see some work from the devs porting it to the SGS.
Shoot i was hoping for Fritter (2.4)
Yeah I don't count on samsung for anything. But making a sexy lookin phone leav the os to the bored computer nerds.
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I agree. Using a custom rom instead of a stock rom is a must.
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Once that Gingerbread steps in to xda. We will have a custom rom of it. lol
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Is it a matter of time before we see Gingebread?

Just wanted to know if its only a matter of time before we see android 2.3 roms on samsung galaxy vibrant? I know the nexus s has 2.3 but i don't know what that means for other high end android phones. Do we have to wait for a leaked version before we can install 2.3, or can developers create a rom just like gingerbread on the nexus s? THANKS in advance!
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mac1133 said:
Just wanted to know if its only a matter of time before we see android 2.3 roms on samsung galaxy vibrant? I know the nexus s has 2.3 but i don't know what that means for other high end android phones. Do we have to wait for a leaked version before we can install 2.3, or can developers create a rom just like gingerbread on the nexus s? THANKS in advance!
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Right now theres an experimental build out. Team whiskey is still working on putting out another version as per their site.
Experimental - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=887993
Proof of still developing - http://board.teamwhiskey.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=832&start=4
As much as I would like 2.3, you have to know that T-Mobile has not released 2.2 OTA yet. I'm guessing Samsung is going to skip 2.2.1 and HOPEFULLY start developing 2.3 for the SGS lines. Giving Samsung's software track record along with T-Mobiles crappy service (in terms of getting updates out), it'll be a long while before we can even sniff 2.3 (thats been built and leaked for the Vibrant, not ported over).
Samsung's website (think it is under firmware link) shows the sgs including the usa tmobile sgs planned for the 2.3 update.......... to be safe look for it in August-Oct 2011 not before (my guess)
oka1 said:
Samsung's website (think it is under firmware link) shows the sgs including the usa tmobile sgs planned for the 2.3 update.......... to be safe look for it in August-Oct 2011 not before (my guess)
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Lol, we might not get official 2.2 by then.
I doubt very much we ever see official 2.3 on this phone.
I agree and think tmobile would like to foget these variant phones all together and concentrate on future developments. The SGS phones are in need of upgrades multicore. Sammy the industry leader and can't get bogged down with last yrs tech.
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lexluthor said:
Lol, we might not get official 2.2 by then.
I doubt very much we ever see official 2.3 on this phone.
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Im with you on this.
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Date *kinda* set for Gingerbread's release on Epic

From ComputerWorld
"Samsung Galaxy S [UPDATED 4/7/11]: All signs point to Gingerbread being in the cards for Samsung's popular Galaxy S line of phones. That includes the Samsung Captivate on AT&T, Samsung Epic 4G on Sprint, Samsung Vibrant on T-Mobile, and Samsung Fascinate on Verizon (which as of now has yet to even receive Froyo). Rumors started popping up in January that some Galaxy S phones could see an Android 2.3 upgrade as early as March or April. Samsung's official Samsung Mobile India Twitter account, meanwhile, has stated numerous times that the Galaxy S will receive Gingerbread -- version 2.3.3 -- but that a definite launch date has not been set. Samsung's Romanian Facebook page has issued similar promises. In late March, software said to be a leaked version of Samsung's official Galaxy S Gingerbread update surfaced on an Android developers' forum, heightening speculation that a rollout could be near. In addition to all of that, Samsung's Finnish site has now posted a news release stating that Gingerbread will reach Galaxy S handsets "in mid-April.""
Another good article to read from Lifehackerwith a spreadsheet of release dates.
-Troll
lol "Troll".
Well, let's see, even if gingerbread were CLOSE to being released, don't think of the Galaxy S as a sign.
First of all, the Galaxy S is Samsung's MAIN FLAGSHIP device, AND Galaxy S's are only released in Europe, I believe.
So therefore, even if Samsung had a finished product of 2.3 for us by mid-april, Sprint's going to have to add their crap to it and **** it up some more, make it even more buggier than Samsung achieved, and send an OTA that will have to be pulled the day after it comes out because it'll fry people's phones. SOOO, if we WERE to get Gingerbread, I'd say by August-Mid September at the earliest.
Sorry for bringing your hopes down...just stating the facts.
acer1096xxx said:
First of all, the Galaxy S is Samsung's MAIN FLAGSHIP device, AND Galaxy S's are only released in Europe, I believe.
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I'm no english whiz but what does the word that starts with a G on the back of your phone say?
Yes the yourapeein phones will definately get the update first but I don't doubt that our G phone will get it later than sooner..
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maybe you guys are being too skeptical. maybe sprint id will fit in real nice with gingerbraed no problems and well have a smooth release by june or july and none of us will have to buy a gs2 or anything. trust in samsung.
NOT!
lazydazed said:
I'm no english whiz but what does the word that starts with a G on the back of your phone say?
Yes the yourapeein phones will definately get the update first but I don't doubt that our G phone will get it later than sooner..
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It says Galaxy S, I know. But we do not have the Galaxy S i9000, we have a phone in the same "family" as the Galaxy S i9000, but that is the first and main focus of Samsung's Galaxy S family. And I know we will get the update sooner or later, I'm just saying don't give your hopes up for a release this month.
I think Im more excited about cm7 than an official gingerbread from Samsung
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acer1096xxx said:
It says Galaxy S, I know. But we do not have the Galaxy S i9000, we have a phone in the same "family" as the Galaxy S i9000, but that is the first and main focus of Samsung's Galaxy S family. And I know we will get the update sooner or later, I'm just saying don't give your hopes up for a release this month.
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Ya we have "A" Galaxy S phone, not (according to samsung) "The" Galaxy S.
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I think Im more excited about cm7 than an official gingerbread from Samsung
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Official Gingerbread, would not only speed up CM7 development but allow for OCing kernels for CM.
Estewa_619 said:
I think Im more excited about cm7 than an official gingerbread from Samsung
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I support and agree 100% with this message.
I'm just hoping they get 4G figured out. I live around the Chicago area, so to have it and then not...well, that would kind of suck. Not sure I'm willing to give it up, even for the sweetness CM7 is/will be.
Estewa_619 said:
I think Im more excited about cm7 than an official gingerbread from Samsung
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Very true! I would much rather have a fully functional CM7 than a Samsung/Sprint GB
I'm more excited about gb miui!
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Looks like more pundits taking 'twitter' as a valid source... and one for OTHER COUNTRIES that use the i9000.... the SAME as the rumor about froyo from what, samsung Twit UK??? None of the Twits in the article said anything about the US variants, just the writer of the article... typical... tech media reach so far for a story. Besides, I wouldn't even trust a US Twit, look at the SamsungJohn thing... they could just be sharing their feelings like when they talk about how good their sushi was today... social networking crap isnt news, its crap. Facebook is not a government insider... its just a site for douchebaggery.
+1 on CM and MIUI! But GB source for them would be good, no?
I'd expect a GB port from the Nexus S 4G long before we get anything official...
gremlyn1 said:
I'd expect a GB port from the Nexus S 4G long before we get anything official...
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Eh, the only thing that the nexus s 4G may help us is the 4G working much earlier than expected. That's pretty much the only similarity
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CM7 The Only Hope For Epic 4G?

As this community slowly declines one can't help but think, is CM7 the only thing we have left to look forward to?
I don't know if we can or not. We managed to troll/eta ourselves into getting the thread closed.
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Not really i mean we've got ACS... Bonsai ...MidNight.... Nebula (hopefully)... MIUI .... all this should kick off shortly.
but i mean after gingerbread... then what ? Gingerbread is already pretty old so i mean...
I don't know guys, maybe samsprint will surprise us.
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As much a my phone would love some ice cream sandwich, I highly doubt samsprint will officially support it for the epic. While gingerbread was a nice treat (pun intended). I beielve this will be the last official update. But hey hopefully the devs can work some magic...if there are ay left by then!
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Reaction to Official GB will Reveal All
I suspect the reaction to the official gingerbread release will tell us. I suspect we'll see a flurry of the standard players after the GB release, Bonsai (my favorite), ACS, etc. However, they will quickly reach the point where they have done all they can do, (i.e. applied all the currently known tweaks/patches).
After that, it's really CM. CM7 development (based on commits) seems to have slowed a bit after a flurrish at the end of May. If the CM7 team is able to get it stable based on the official GB source, the Epic can then ride the CM train for a while. If that doesn't happen, I expect 1-2 revisions of tweeked ROMs based on GB from each team, particularly Bonsai and ACS and then development on the Epic will be done.
More tasty deserts with CM7.
gdbassett said:
I suspect the reaction to the official gingerbread release will tell us. I suspect we'll see a flurry of the standard players after the GB release, Bonsai (my favorite), ACS, etc. However, they will quickly reach the point where they have done all they can do, (i.e. applied all the currently known tweaks/patches).
After that, it's really CM. CM7 development (based on commits) seems to have slowed a bit after a flurrish at the end of May. If the CM7 team is able to get it stable based on the official GB source, the Epic can then ride the CM train for a while. If that doesn't happen, I expect 1-2 revisions of tweeked ROMs based on GB from each team, particularly Bonsai and ACS and then development on the Epic will be done.
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I agree if we are lucky we may get an ice cream sammich. With CM7 we can get timely upgrades of more tasty deserts like jelly beans, kiwi pudding, lemon meringue pie, etc, etc....
Not even looking at icecream sandwitch, if we get to CM7, we will not just get major updates, but we'll get regular, minor releases as well. Those can provide additional featuers. (I'd personally LOVE to get the granular permissions control thats being added to CM7.) If we don't get to CM7, we can dream about ICS, but in reality, we're unlikely to get features and instead only get ROM tweeks (and kernel modules).
Also we will have continued development and not have development stop because of lack of source code. That is what I hate most about not being on cyanogenmod. With the lawsuit with apple Samsung should seriously consider working more with cyanogenmod and just dump touch wiz all together. In my opinion touch wiz is not all that impressive and serious limits the phone's compatibility.
jamice4u said:
I agree if we are lucky we may get an ice cream sammich. With CM7 we can get timely upgrades of more tasty deserts like jelly beans, kiwi pudding, lemon meringue pie, etc, etc....
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+1 charrrrrrr LMMMMAO!!!!!!!!
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jamice4u said:
Also we will have continued development and not have development stop because of lack of source code. That is what I hate most about not being on cyanogenmod. With the lawsuit with apple Samsung should seriously consider working more with cyanogenmod and just dump touch wiz all together. In my opinion touch wiz is not all that impressive and serious limits the phone's compatibility.
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To the consumer touchwiz may not seem much. But to sammy it is. There's always some in depth agenda the consumer has no clue about.
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I believe that after GB we have no other updates coming for the Epic (official at least). But we manage to get CM, that would change the appeal of the phone, and would be a retention factor for many.
megabiteg said:
I believe that after GB we have no other updates coming for the Epic (official at least). But we manage to get CM, that would change the appeal of the phone, and would be a retention factor for many.
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I believe something of a sort aswell my friend. But the CM7 team will have a fully functional release by the end of the summer. I'm positive. Then will have a lot more activity going on with the epic community once again. Just have patience and encourage our developers. Donate. And keep the hype going. Believe it or not the people are the devs source of encouragment.
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Cm 7 is not the problem.. The nexus kernel will be our only hope.
Custodian said:
To the consumer touchwiz may not seem much. But to sammy it is. There's always some in depth agenda the consumer has no clue about.
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Does that agenda have to do with $$$? Besides it should not be a problem with them people like us only account for less than 5% of the market share anyways.
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Does that agenda have to do with $$$? Besides it should not be a problem with them people like us only account for less than 5% of the market share anyways.
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Its always about money.
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I don't use touchwiz as my launcher but I've come to really appreciate the other small enhancements touchwiz brings.
I might be the only one but I really cannot stand sense.
This phone works great - I don't think it really needs that many more updates.
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I want miui
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ya im really hopin once 2.3 comes out the CM7 team will get everything on track. i agree with the fact CM7 will more than likely be our last hope after 2.3 comes out, atleast for those who want to stay up to date with an older handset which has great hardware regardless. single core or not, epic has been a dream phone to me, especialy coming from the moment(touch pro 2, touch pro, mogul and ppc 6700 before that. i wont ever go all touch, KB is too important for me). the devs on here are great and keep guys like us loving our phones but i also dont forsee ICS coming to the Epic, even though google made an announcement that android phones will be updated to new software at minimum of 18months AFTER release, although that announcment was made more than 6 months after the epic came out. sucks that this phone hasnt even hit the 1 year mark yet and we are already at EOL even on firmware side. hopefully google puts the pressure on the manufacturers AND service providers for these updates regardless of when they announced that. only time will tell guys but regardless i wont buy a phone without a KB. at this point im so satisfied with my epic i can see myself rockin this bad boy for another 3+ years if need be, does what i want, when i want and has one of the best 5-row KB ive ever used. only thing missin on my EE03 is for impaler to make a keyboard fix for these dropped keys lol i miss my speed demon patch, BIG life saver for me. i type as fast if not at times faster on my epic than i do on a regular PC keyboard =P
Love. It I'm using cm7
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Time to troll HTC again?

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/1...ist-which-phones-will-get-ice-cream-sandwich/
So where's ICS for the Shift, HTC?
We might as well start getting on them now since they held out forever on the kernel source. The shift is so under rated still.
I don't really see us "officially" getting ICS. Like Sparksco said, the Shift is severely underappreciated.
I do know we have a couple devs working on it though...
I think its a very possible we will see one because
At first I would have said no way we would get it when HTC released Sense 3.0 which only supported Dual-Core devices. That would make you think any later version after 3.0 would also be a definite no and we will never see ICS (officially for the shift) and we know HTC will have to update Sense UI to a later version for ICS
But then again now HTC released Sense 3.5 on devices which is optimized to run on Single Core phones so now if they do update Sense it leaves room to think maybe their next iteration of sense will be compatible with lower end phones to (don't take that to context to much the shift IS very powerful)
We might also see an update like the EVO got when it recieved gingerbread. It got the firmware upgrade to gingerbread but HTC still kept it at 1.0
So their is always the possibility it could be our turn for that.
and now with the Handset alliance thing which HTC is apart of I believe, part of the ruling is you have to support a device for 18 months with latest updates as long as hardware allows.
If anything we know we will be waiting longer than most devices out there anyway if we do end up getting it. The phone is underappreciated a lot, just like the article says (to be honest I was suprised they even mentioned it)
But yea its basically time to start bugging HTC as much as we possibly can for some kind of update. I know I will start
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I don't really see us "officially" getting ICS. Like Sparksco said, the Shift is severely underappreciated.
I do know we have a couple devs working on it though...
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I love you crumpy but that wasn't the question!
VICODAN said:
I love you crumpy but that wasn't the question!
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Haha.. well to answer your question.. Trololol away..
*puts on troll hat*
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*puts on troll hat*
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Let us know what they say and I'll also ask htcdev about it on twitter
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Let us know what they say and I'll also ask htcdev about it on twitter
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https://www.facebook.com/htcusa/posts/231659726902311
Official response from HTC USA on Facebook:
Hey guys. If you haven't seen our latest note on ICS, you can catch it here. http://on.fb.me/vSPMMr We will be announcing more phones later so just because it hasn't been announced yet doesn't mean that it won't be in the future.
Trolling HTC is utterly useless. They're not in charge of whether or not we get an official ICS update. If you must troll someone, troll Sprint. To that end, it's really not worth it IMO. Trolling for the kernel source was warranted, because GPL requires them to release it. They're not required to release ICS and honestly, I doubt they will when they could spend that time and money on more popular phones. I love my little shifty but am not in denial of it's popularity. Who really cares if we get an official update? Most of us would end up running a custom version of it anyway and at this rate, we'll see CM9 or other AOSP builds before long. Hell, toast already says he's got a source build running great, it's only a matter of time. Why pull your hair out waiting for an official update?
HTCotta said:
Trolling HTC is utterly useless. They're not in charge of whether or not we get an official ICS update. If you must troll someone, troll Sprint. To that end, it's really not worth it IMO. Trolling for the kernel source was warranted, because GPL requires them to release it. They're not required to release ICS and honestly, I doubt they will when they could spend that time and money on more popular phones. I love my little shifty but am not in denial of it's popularity. Who really cares if we get an official update? Most of us would end up running a custom version of it anyway and at this rate, we'll see CM9 or other AOSP builds before long. Hell, toast already says he's got a source build running great, it's only a matter of time. Why pull your hair out waiting for an official update?
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Either way we're still waiting. The G1 and other older phones have a more working funtional rom or ICS then we do.
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HTCotta said:
Trolling HTC is utterly useless. They're not in charge of whether or not we get an official ICS update. If you must troll someone, troll Sprint. To that end, it's really not worth it IMO. Trolling for the kernel source was warranted, because GPL requires them to release it. They're not required to release ICS and honestly, I doubt they will when they could spend that time and money on more popular phones. I love my little shifty but am not in denial of it's popularity. Who really cares if we get an official update? Most of us would end up running a custom version of it anyway and at this rate, we'll see CM9 or other AOSP builds before long. Hell, toast already says he's got a source build running great, it's only a matter of time. Why pull your hair out waiting for an official update?
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Useless? We got GB kernel source code fairly quickly once we started trolling them. It is important we get an official update from HTC more than you know.
GB source code was always coming, we were quite literally entitled to it (GPL). This is not the case with an ICS update. I know that getting an official update helps immensely, but we're certainly not gonna get one by trolling HTC. It's Sprint's decision.
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Useless? We got GB kernel source code fairly quickly once we started trolling them. It is important we get an official update from HTC more than you know.
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Yes your right it is important that we get a official update. A new kernel could really help a lot even if it was a sense kernel.
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HTCotta said:
GB source code was always coming, we were quite literally entitled to it (GPL). This is not the case with an ICS update. I know that getting an official update helps immensely, but we're certainly not gonna get one by trolling HTC. It's Sprint's decision.
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It's not just sprints choice. It's a partnership between sprint and htc. We just need to express that we do want a official update to htc because htc will listen to us, and might come up with something with sprint. Sprint will not listen to us about a official update because all the do is tell htc which phones are more popular and which ones they think should get the updates first, and then htc goes on it's happy way to make a update. Meanwhile they throw in some of sprints apps (big deal). Htc does most of the work. They do all the kernels, and most of the rom development.
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