Hi guys - got a question re: potentially restoring full function to a glitchy digitizer panel I bought as a replacement for my original (broken) one. I know this isn't a Q&A forum but anyone in here is likely going to have more knowledge of the digitizer from a hardware aspect than anyone in the general Q&A forums..I hope.
I had no trouble installing the panel, physically - the design was identical to the original and I took care when shaping the ribbon cable so as not to damage it. My problem is this: My digitizer seems to "skip" one contact point on both the x and y axis so that there is a dead area on my panel which makes text input quite a hassle. I can get it to read input from the area if I touch VERY gently and very accurately, but other than that it takes input from the sensors around the actual point I'm touching, like its getting more capacitive feedback from those areas than from where I'm actually touching.
I hope thats not too confusing. Basically there's a nonresponsive vertical line down the right side of my screen 1" from the edge, and another one 1" up from the bottom going horizontally. At the point where these lines intersect I have a hell of a time getting it to recognize where I'm touching accurately. I've tried the HTC screen calibration tool to no avail.
I'm wondering if anyone has any tricks I can try to get this sucker working properly.. Its slowly driving me crazy. I saw one guy on youtube take a much larger digitizer from another device and take a lighter to the glass side for a few seconds, then apply pressure to the heated areas on both sides of the glass, sandwiching it together and (I assume) reattaching or more firmly attaching the plastic film to the inside of the glass. I don't want to try this without first asking if its wise here, and see what more experienced people have to say on the subject. I may be way off here and there's a simple fix, I just haven't been able to find one.
Help!? LOL..*someone* in here must have some experience with this, no??
Thanks in advance for any replies. Helpful or otherwise.
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After owning the Touch HD for a full month I just noticed that down the middle of the screen there is something which I can best describe as an oil stain. It looks as if there is a liquid in between the glass/plastic screen and the resistive layer that lays on top of it.
The screen works normally and this "stain" can only be observed if I look at how the light reflects of it.
Any idea what happened?
Hi,
I have a small idear. The TFT-Monitor ist touching your Touchscreen. Probeply you pressed something on your HD, that the two Monitor touch each other, that is why it looks like a Water or Oil spot.
This can happen for example, if you are carrying your HD in your trouser pocket.
If you want to try to remove this spot, you have to turn with your both hand the hd, like the right hand turn with the clock and the left hand turn to the other way.
Sorry, my english is not very good for such a discribing. What I mean is like "to contort" or "to skew (up)". But you have to be very carefully. Before you start, remove the Battery
(I'll be incorporating a clearer explanation along the lines of what Dude10 was trying to say)
The effect you're seeing is IDENTICAL to what causes the colours to appear on an oil film actually!
The way the Touch HD screen works is to have the hard glass (polycarbonate plastic actually as far as I'm aware, but that's not important here!) with a squashy resistive sensor layer on the top.
This resistive layer detects touch as an increase in resistance at the spot that's compressed - be that by a finger or a stylus. Because the upper layer can be compressed, it can also be malformed by stronger than normal pressure, such as an object in a pocket. The effect can be more pronounced if your body heat warms up the screen surface making the screen "set" in position rather than spring back as it should do...
The "oil" effect is cause by the reflections of light from the outermost plastic layer and the outermost surface of the hard screen. When the gap is small enough, these reflections can interfere with each other, cancelling and re-inforcing different wavelengths depending on the thickness - hence the tapering of the screen from thinnest to thickest results in a "rainbow"
Now, why explain all this you may ask? Partly because I like science and it fascinated me in school to learn what caused that effect so wanted to share this! (And this also explains why it only presents itself when you look at the light reflections)
Anyway, more importantly, the solution to your problem is to restore the thickness of that part of the touch layer to it's original uncompressed state.
I'd firstly start trying to hold your finger flat against the top of the phone screen (on flat surface, portraint orientation, finger "left to right") then pressing resonably hard (the hard screen should protect the device - if not you're pressing too hard!) slide your finger down the screen from top to bottom trying to keep an even pressure. This should hopefully even out the surface.
Failing this, as Dude10 suggests, take the battery out and use your thumbs (holding with fingers in the battery well) to press and "smear" around the problem area.
Unfortunately, other than this I don't think there's a particular way to remove the effect totally if it doesn't work...
Obviously it's speculation given that you didn't mention how it happened in the first place, but it does sound like it got knocked or pressed by something either in bag or pocket - maybe even a fold in the pouch
Hope you manage to smooth it out!
WhO_KnOwS said:
After owning the Touch HD for a full month I just noticed that down the middle of the screen there is something which I can best describe as an oil stain.
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Just a long shot, but:
Sometimes a similar effect can be caused when some moisture has got between the layers of a display.
Have you used the phone anywhere damp or very humid ?
Keeping it somewhere warm and dry might be worth a try?
- Steve
Thanks for all the tips. The issue happened when I had the Touch HD in the pouch and in my pocket - so the idea that it was a fold in the pouch holds water.
The funny thing however is that before I saw all of your replies I was already out the door (with the Touch HD back in the pouch and pocket). 5 minutes later when I pulled it out the issue was gone. I am guessing that I reapplied the exact amount of pressure needed or something like that.
Thanks again for the tips and especially to chaosdefinesorder for the nice explanation.
Thx for helping explanation
5 minutes later when I pulled it out the issue was gone.
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no, i don't think it was gone. check again under a fluorescent light....
i have this on my diamond. my HD is flawless (till now...)
i phoned to a technician and explain the phenomena and he invited me to replace the screen. when i got there, to my complete amazement and embarrassment the stain was gone. only later i discovered that the stain is visible under fluorescent light only.
chaosdefinesorder said:
Unfortunately, other than this I don't think there's a particular way to remove the effect totally if it doesn't work...
Hope you manage to smooth it out!
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thanks m8, already tried this (on my diamond) and tried now again with both yr methods. no results. the stain is still there...i think only a replacement can solve it.
here u have the paralel thread in diamond forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439410&highlight=oily+stain
you can not do it yourself. the best way will be to go to your seller or straight to HTC, because I think you HD still have warranty.
I repaired ones an Diamond and I can tell you, it wasn´t an easy way.
I replaced my digitizer recently and when I put the phone back together and turned it on, the LCD looked different any thoughts or suggestions. I looked through some other threads but nothing described look like the problem I am having.
I guess the digitizer isn't original and polarizes the light in a different way, giving the strange optical effect.
Another issue maybe the digitizer is stuck tightly against LCD, try to put between the two a strip of thick adhesive tape around the edges, avoiding tight contact.
Or worst, maybe you damaged the LCD while disassembling, to verify this lift the digitizer and see if it looks the same or not without digitizer.
It looks as though it is a similar problem to * HERE *
I you go into your Web-browser and press the menu button, then view page info.
Look at the background (the webpage). What are the colours like?
Hi guys,
What could be the possible reasons for a touchscreen and the capacitive buttons to stop working?
I purchased my Huawei U8800 only very recently but it was purchased 2nd hand. The phone came pre-installed with a custom rom, which is this one here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1481168
I've had very minimal use of it ever since I received it, due to the reason that I have exams as I'm an UNI student. Therefore, I haven't modified the phone in any way, i.e I have not overclocked it or flashed a different kernel or recovery etc. The only thing I've done is installed GO SMS PRO and used it for txting and calling, that's it.
At first, everything seems to work fine. But on my 2nd day of use, the touchscreen started acting weird, where the right hand side of the screen stops working for no reason, as well as the 2 capacitive buttons on the right half of the screen (HOME and SEARCH). Then after a while, the BACK capacitive button on the left half of the screen stopped working, and eventually all 4 capacitive buttons and the entire screen stopped working.
The phone still turns on, but the entire screen doesn't pick up any finger input and there isn't any haptic feedback or vibration from the capacitive buttons. When I boot into the recovery, this is also the same.
So I contacted the seller about this, and he advised me to flash the Cyanogenmod 7.2 rom to see if this fixes the problem. It didn't, the touchscreen still doesn't work.
I'm wondering if this is related to the digitizer, which is the part of the phone that sense your finger inputs? If not, what are the other parts of the phone that could relate to the capacitive buttons and touch screen?
Definately a digitizer problem. The capacitive buttons are part of the touch screen, the touch screen is extended over the bottom of the display.
You should buy a new one from eBay or similar. If you want to buy it with a frame (black part on the front), you will have to open your phone to see if the front speaker is big or small. There are two types of front speakers and they are not cross-compatible. If you just want to buy the digitizer, you will have to remove the old digitizer from it's frame and add some glue on the new one to make sure it won't stick out.
If you don't want to mess with your phone, I am sure there are paid services that will do it for you, since replacing the digitizer is fairly easy.
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Definately a digitizer problem. The capacitive buttons are part of the touch screen, the touch screen is extended over the bottom of the display.
You should buy a new one from eBay or similar. If you want to buy it with a frame (black part on the front), you will have to open your phone to see if the front speaker is big or small. There are two types of front speakers and they are not cross-compatible. If you just want to buy the digitizer, you will have to remove the old digitizer from it's frame and add some glue on the new one to make sure it won't stick out.
If you don't want to mess with your phone, I am sure there are paid services that will do it for you, since replacing the digitizer is fairly easy.
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thanks for your reply mate!
Ok so I've found this one here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-To...Glass-For-Huawei-U8800-Ideos-X5-/170721993712
Since it says it's "original", I don't have to worry about the speaker problem right?
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thanks for your reply mate!
Ok so I've found this one here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-To...Glass-For-Huawei-U8800-Ideos-X5-/170721993712
Since it says it's "original", I don't have to worry about the speaker problem right?
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They are selling the digitizer, so there will be no problems as it's only the digitizer glass and not the frame around it. The frame itself is holding the digitizer and the speaker so that's why there may be issues when buying the front cover.
If you need a disassembly tutorial, check my Mediafire (signature) -> Documents -> U8800 Basic Maintenance Manual. It's the official disassembly guide so you can be sure you are doing it right .
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They are selling the digitizer, so there will be no problems as it's only the digitizer glass and not the frame around it. The frame itself is holding the digitizer and the speaker so that's why there may be issues when buying the front cover.
If you need a disassembly tutorial, check my Mediafire (signature) -> Documents -> U8800 Basic Maintenance Manual. It's the official disassembly guide so you can be sure you are doing it right .
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Wait, that doesn't have the frame around it? I thought the black part surrounding the glass is the frame? I'm confused.......
I just want something that looks exactly like shown in that Ebay listing photo, where it has that bit of the connector part that you push into the motherboard (or whatever it's called on the phone).
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Wait, that doesn't have the frame around it? I thought the black part surrounding the glass is the frame? I'm confused.......
I just want something that looks exactly like shown in that Ebay listing photo, where it has that bit of the connector part that you push into the motherboard (or whatever it's called on the phone).
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On your listing, it does not have frame.
If it's without frame, it is simply the front glass with connector. If it is with the frame, it has the black curve too (and speaker with led).
See this:
Without frame.
With frame.
Hope it makes sense now
Blefish said:
On your listing, it does not have frame.
If it's without frame, it is simply the front glass with connector. If it is with the frame, it has the black curve too (and speaker with led).
See this:
Without frame.
With frame.
Hope it makes sense now
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Ahh ic ic.....so would I need to use glue to stick the digitizer glass onto the frame?
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Ahh ic ic.....so would I need to use glue to stick the digitizer glass onto the frame?
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Yeah, but not much. Maybe you don't need to add any glue at all, the old one might hold it too.
u8800-51 touch screen bottom not responding
Blefish said:
On your listing, it does not have frame.
If it's without frame, it is simply the front glass with connector. If it is with the frame, it has the black curve too (and speaker with led).
See this:
Without frame.
With frame.
Hope it makes sense now
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hi blefish
just posted a similar question:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39201328#post39201328
is it the same solution? (the 4 buttons at the bottom do not work as well as the lower half of screen)
my speaker is 15 mm by 5 mm long (i looked inside). is it big or small?
all the ebay posts do not mention a frame - i will be happy not to mess with the glue
thanks
huwaei G 510
Hi guys,
I did have the same problem with a Huawei G 510. Digitizer broken and replaced, but still not working.
I have no action on screen. It lits but i can't press any button. Either the 3 buttons are working.
Checked the plug, checked some voltage in the pins.
Any other ideas ?
Thanks in advance,
Miltos Matt
I recently broke my 1 month old S5 LCD. Outer screen is just fine, but the LCD has paper thin glass, and it unfortunately met it's demise after a misplaced toss. I ordered a new LCD digitizer assembly and screen adhesive, then disassembled my broken phone. When I disassembled it there was either adhesive, or gasket material that was on top of the plastic flaps that go around the back and recent buttons (I assume adhesive), and also around the home button which I assume is important for functionality, and for water resistance. To make a long story short I assumed that this material would be provided with the screen adhesive so I removed the material from the back and recent buttons (it was already slightly damaged on one, and almost all peeled off of the other. I left the home button material because it seemed weak and I didn't want to break it. Also, some of this material had been peeled off/torn off surrounding the home button. After reassembling without the adhesive/gasket in these areas my phone now presses back or recent at random and it makes the phone almost impossible to use because it will exit out of programs or just start doing crazy stuff all on it's own.
My question is, is there somewhere that sells the adhesive/gasket for these three locations, if so where, and if not are there any suggestions of an alternative to the stock material. I am wondering if anyone has had some experience with this issue could chime it. I greatly appreciate any help.
Sincerely,
Dustin
I love my Defy+ as much as anybody here. And a whole lot of thanks to Quarx for his efforts to keep our phones up to date.
I have got one nagging issue. The left side of my touchscreen (roughly 8mm from the left margin from top to bottom) is not registering any touch at all. The issue has been there for a long time and I am not able to find a cause or solution.
I am having difficulty while keying in Q/q/1/Z/z, some times a/A also.
Thank you.
lywyre said:
I love my Defy+ as much as anybody here. And a whole lot of thanks to Quarx for his efforts to keep our phones up to date.
I have got one nagging issue. The left side of my touchscreen (roughly 8mm from the left margin from top to bottom) is not registering any touch at all. The issue has been there for a long time and I am not able to find a cause or solution.
I am having difficulty while keying in Q/q/1/Z/z, some times a/A also.
Thank you.
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Unfortunately, this is a hardware problem. There are (transparent) conductive strips crossing up/down and left/right the display that senses the touches, one of the strips is damaged. Had this on the upper part of the display, right under notification bar, and couldn't access some buttons on apps. You'll have to change the glass cover on the display. Search for "defy digitizer", "defy glass cover", "defy touch screen" or so. A new one (not original but works, although it's not gorilla glass, so it's easily breakable) can cost as little as 10 $
alerort said:
Unfortunately, this is a hardware problem. There are (transparent) conductive strips crossing up/down and left/right the display that senses the touches, one of the strips is damaged. Had this on the upper part of the display, right under notification bar, and couldn't access some buttons on apps. You'll have to change the glass cover on the display. Search for "defy digitizer", "defy glass cover", "defy touch screen" or so. A new one (not original but works, although it's not gorilla glass, so it's easily breakable) can cost as little as 10 $
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Thank you.
I would rather bear with this issue than putting on a cheap digitizer.