So ATT is advertizing as having the Note and on the commercial is states the device as being a phone and a tab, so why will they not allow the 7.7 to run on their system the same way? I am not an ATT customer but if i were and had both devices i would be extremelly upset if they were giving me a hard time with the 7.7. Please share your thoughts.
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adinis78 said:
So ATT is advertizing as having the Note and on the commercial is states the device as being a phone and a tab, so why will they not allow the 7.7 to run on their system the same way? I am not an ATT customer but if i were and had both devices i would be extremelly upset if they were giving me a hard time with the 7.7. Please share your thoughts.
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I have both devices on AT&T. No issues using either (both are unlocked and international).
7.7 is my primary daily driver. Note is cool and all, but without ICS, it kinda sucks compared to the 7.7, especially for web browsing.
I used Straight Talk for the Note I had. I also have the 7.7 6800 (WiFi only).
My Razr is my go to phone. The Note is too big for a phone and too small for a tablet IMHO. The Note, to me, was a fun toy and that was about it. Now when the waccom tech comes out for the 7.7/8.9/10.1 Tabs and if they have 3G/LTE/Data capabilities, I think the Note will all but become useless.
I've had quite a few Galaxy Tabs, but the Note just felt cheaply made to me. It was nice don't get me wrong, but nothing like the others I've had. Also the price to play w/ an International Note is not worth it when looking back on it.
I'd get a 7.7 International 3G if I were you. Many people have reported using it w/ AT&T and if you want to use it as a phone just use a bluetooth headset. Save your money and don't buy a Note.
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Jade Eyed Wolf said:
I have both devices on AT&T. No issues using either (both are unlocked and international).
7.7 is my primary daily driver. Note is cool and all, but without ICS, it kinda sucks compared to the 7.7, especially for web browsing.
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I had the leaked Chinese ROM on my Note and was sorely disappointed with Samsung's TW'd ICS...
RocketROM was better, smoother, clocked higher, etc.
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I had the leaked Chinese ROM on my Note and was sorely disappointed with Samsung's TW'd ICS...
RocketROM was better, smoother, clocked higher, etc.
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TBH, I'm not so interested in ICS for using it as a phone on the Note; I want to mod the DPI so that the Note behaves in tablet mode instead. Been doing that with CM9, and I can't go back. I love it! Until there's a fully functioning ICS ROM for the Note that will allow me to run in Tablet mode, I'm sticking to my 7.7. Oh and by fully functioning, I mean everything from S-Pen to MHL, to USB OTG, etc.
The 7.7 would be perfect it it has an S-pen and the note is just an amazing device for drawing and note taking.
To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about here. What major issues do you think people are having by running an unlocked 7.7 on AT&T? I've been doing this since January with no issues whatsoever (apart from having been throttled, but that's neither here nor there).
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To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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What are "major issues"? I'm using an unlocked international 6800 on AT&T with no issues at all. Are they sending you messages about not using it or changing your plan?
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TBH, I'm not so interested in ICS for using it as a phone on the Note; I want to mod the DPI so that the Note behaves in tablet mode instead. Been doing that with CM9, and I can't go back. I love it! Until there's a fully functioning ICS ROM for the Note that will allow me to run in Tablet mode, I'm sticking to my 7.7. Oh and by fully functioning, I mean everything from S-Pen to MHL, to USB OTG, etc.
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The Chinese Rom w/ 240 DPI was pretty stable for me. And I too don't understand what major issues you think AT&T users are having. Many of us have stated multiple times there are no issues.
There are many people that get messages that their tab is unsupported and need to change plan and stuff like that. The 7.7 is both a tab and a phone so is the Note, so why would the ATT branded version of the Note be OK to use but the 7.7 won't be. I am talking about those that get a sim with voice and data and insert it on the 7.7 and then start getting messages stating they need to change plan but if they use that same sim on an ATT branded Note they will not have that issue. I hope people can understand what I am trying to point out. Why does ATT have an issue with the tab working like the Note.
EDIT : another reason I started this is because there is another thread about ATT blocking the 3G data on their tabs while using an old sim that already has 3G service. I know that their are work arounds to this but I am sure that if that same sim where to be put into the ATT branded Note it would not be a problem so why is it with tab, again the tab and Note are essentially the same device.
Will not try to continue this thread if people are not getting what I am trying to point out.
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There are many people that get messages that their tab is unsupported and need to change plan and stuff like that. The 7.7 is both a tab and a phone so is the Note, so why would the ATT branded version of the Note be OK to use but the 7.7 won't be. I am talking about those that get a sim with voice and data and insert it on the 7.7 and then start getting messages stating they need to change plan but if they use that same sim on an ATT branded Note they will not have that issue. I hope people can understand what I am trying to point out. Why does ATT have an issue with the tab working like the Note.
EDIT : another reason I started this is because there is another thread about ATT blocking the 3G data on their tabs while using an old sim that already has 3G service. I know that their are work arounds to this but I am sure that if that same sim where to be put into the ATT branded Note it would not be a problem so why is it with tab, again the tab and Note are essentially the same device.
Will not try to continue this thread if people are not getting what I am trying to point out.
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Mainly, because AT&T doesn't sell the 7.7 but they do sell the Note. That's really it. They're not getting any cash from Samsung when you use the 7.7 on their network. You should be able to add an APN named "Broadband" to your to continue to use data.
Ok, I consider myself to be somewhat of an AT&T expert here, so let me set some things straight:
If you have an unlimited data plan for NON-smartphones ($15/month), then AT&T is likely to get nasty with you.
If you have an unlimited data plan for iPhone, or Blackberry, ($30/month), then AT&T will likely ask you to switch to an unlimited smartphone data plan for the same price, but you can continue to use that with no issues, apart from the throttling woes that ALL grandfathered unlimited users are experiencing.
If you already have an unlimited smartphone plan ($30/month), you should have no issues again, apart from the aforementioned throttling issues.
These legacy unlimited plans should only work with the Phone and the wap.cingular APN's. The Broadband APN shouldn't work, nor should the pta APN (unless you're on an unlimited LTE plan).
The more modern plans (tiered plans) should all work just fine without any issues. The Broadband APN on those plans should only work if you have a tethering add-on.
AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.
Essentially it is all about money and how much they can get out of you.
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AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.
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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."
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To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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the major issuses people had was when we tried to use a go-phone sim card in the 7.7 and the data did not work. As far as i know regular att plans work fine and i can confim that tablet data plans work if you care.
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The more modern plans (tiered plans) should all work just fine without any issues. The Broadband APN on those plans should only work if you have a tethering add-on.
AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.
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The broadband apn works for tablet specific data plans
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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."
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You underestimate how much AT&T and most carriers love putting bloatware on your phone. For example most carriers until recently shipped phones with carrier IQ which would not be on your device if it was and unlocked international version.
Another example of carrier changes to stock, my sprint phone, when stock, runs through a sprint proxy and it can jack up media streaming and internet speeds until i remove it
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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."
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See that's just it though, even though technically I am playing by the rules, in the sense that I am not abusing the medianet plan, and that I am still a loyal paying customer, they still don't like the fact that I am using a tablet as a phone as well, because they're not getting as much money out of me as they could be, and in their eyes, should be.
Think about it. Can you go into an AT&T store right now and buy a tablet from them for anything other than pay-as-you-go? Nope. If you want data on your tablet, and you don't want to pay extra for its own 3G service, then you have to give up unlimited data and get an extra tethering add-on, so you'd have to pay extra that way instead.
AT&T doesn't want you to have a device that simply does it all. That's why they don't mind the Note so much, because frankly, having owned one since November, at the end of the day, it's really just a big Galaxy S2; if you want to do tablet stuff on it, you need a proper tablet, which the 7.7 is.
So here's the thing: By my buying an unlocked 7.7, thereby consolidating a true tablet and a smartphone, and by continuing to pay my $30/month unlimited plan, in AT&T's eyes, I'm effectively cheating them out of either pay-per-use data on one of their own 3G/LTE tablets, or I'm cheating them out of paying for a tiered plan instead, plus a tethering option. So yeah, they don't like that...
If US carriers had no issues with tablet's doubling as phones, then they would have allowed the original tab to keep its phone abilities, and Verizon wouldn't have gimped their version of the 7.7 so as not to be capable of making normal phone calls.
P.S. Let's just say for a moment that I played by their rules even more, and didn't seek any perfectly legitimate loopholes like buying unlocked, and say I buy their 5GB/month tiered plan at $50/month, and let go of my unlimited data at $30/month. That means that I'm locked in for at least $480 more over the course of a new 2 year agreement, and potentially more if I end up paying any overages. Now that's just me, one person. I'm effectively cheating them (in their eyes) out of that money. Imagine if every unlimited data user did that too (and there are millions of them). Now can you see why AT&T would hate to be cheated (in their eyes) out of all that money? No can you see why they hate having to honour service to unlocked devices?
In the end AT&T is still a corporation, so it's all about the money for them. Thus, if by buying an unlocked device you are keeping them from getting more money out you, then by corporate default, they are not going to happy with that.
Masterface7 said:
You underestimate how much AT&T and most carriers love putting bloatware on your phone. For example most carriers until recently shipped phones with carrier IQ which would not be on your device if it was and unlocked international version.
Another example of carrier changes to stock, my sprint phone, when stock, runs through a sprint proxy and it can jack up media streaming and internet speeds until i remove it
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Carrier IQ sure, but it's being/has already been removed from AT&T devices, so it's no longer relevant. I didn't know about the Sprint proxy thing, but I've never heard of AT&T doing that. As for bloatware, my gut says that people who are knowledgeable enough to buy an unlocked handset from elsewhere are also not dumb enough to *use* AT&T bloatware when they do have AT&T-branded devices, and probably root and get rid of it immediately anyway.
I don't disagree with anything you said, but I don't see it as a compelling reason to try to block out non-AT&T-branded devices. Maybe the AT&T execs do.
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
See that's just it though, even though technically I am playing by the rules, in the sense that I am not abusing the medianet plan, and in the sense that I am a paying customer, they still don't like it because of the fact that I am using a tablet as a phone as well.
Think about it. Can you go into an AT&T store right now and buy a tablet from them for anything other than pay-as-you-go? Nope. If you want data on your tablet, and you don't want to pay extra for its own 3G service, then you have to give up unlimited data and get an extra tethering add-on, so you'd have to pay extra that way instead.
AT&T doesn't want you to have a device that simply does it all. That's why they don't mind the Note so much, because frankly, having owned one since November, at the end of the day, it's really just a big Galaxy S2; if you want to do tablet stuff on it, you need a proper tablet, which the 7.7 is.
So here's the thing: By my buying an unlocked 7.7, thereby consolidating a true tablet and a smartphone, and by continuing to pay my $30/month unlimited plan, in AT&T's eyes, I'm effectively cheating them out of either pay-per-use data on one of their own 3G/LTE tablets, or I'm cheating them out of paying for a tiered plan instead, plus a tethering option. So yeah, they don't like that...
If US carriers had no issues with tablet's doubling as phones, then they would have allowed the original tab to keep its phone abilities, and Verizon wouldn't have gimped their version of the 7.7 so as not to be be capable of making normal phone calls.
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Yeah this makes sense I suppose. They want to either screw you on a tethering package or a separate tablet data plan, though if you're me you just don't play by the rules and tether without getting caught (please don't notice AT&T). I guess this also explains why people only have issues with tablets or things that seem like tablets (I recall seeing a lot of APN issues for the int'l Note as well).
Personally, I probably wouldn't pay for a data plan for my tab even if couldn't tether--while the tab is pocketable, it makes an uncomfortable bulge (and I don't really want to get into carrying a murse around), so I stick to my GS2 as an actual phone. Plus, 80% or so of my tab use is at home, and if you add in places where there is wifi anyway that's probably more like 95%.
For those of you who have a phone and separate tab data plan, I'm curious: why are you willing to pay an additional $20-$35 every month for tab data? Need a general-purpose hotspot for, say, a laptop? Can't tether to your phone? Laziness/convenience?
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Yeah this makes sense I suppose. They want to either screw you on a tethering package or a separate tablet data plan, though if you're me you just don't play by the rules and tether without getting caught (please don't notice AT&T).
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Just another reason to buy unlocked. I tether all the time with no issues. Just because they may have removed CarrierIQ, doesn't mean they haven't possibly baked their own monitoring tools into their devices and we just haven't found them yet. (I'm paranoid like that). I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
Not saying they wouldn't possibly perform packet inspection, just saying it's not as likely as monitoring tools of some kind or another.
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Personally, I probably wouldn't pay for a data plan for my tab even if couldn't tether--while the tab is pocketable, it makes an uncomfortable bulge (and I don't really want to get into carrying a murse around), so I stick to my GS2 as an actual phone. Plus, 80% or so of my tab use is at home, and if you add in places where there is wifi anyway that's probably more like 95%.
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Valid points indeed. In fact, before getting my 7.7, I almost decided on sticking with my GS2 and getting a Prime instead. As you said, WiFi is just about everywhere, and for places where WiFi isn't present, I could have just tethered to my GS2.
At this point, it's a matter of personal preference really. For me, I would much rather have only to carry one device on me than two, even if it does kinda force me into using a murse, which I've actually come to like quite a lot! That's why I went with the 7.7 instead; all-in-one device consolidation.
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I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
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Actually, I think the way they're figuring out if users are tethering isn't from any logging utility on the device, but that they are using some kind of pinging utility from their server side. When they get a response with a TTL of a different value than whatever the default is then they can derive that your device is functioning as a router. That's just a guess and I could be totally wrong about the specifics, but I think that they're not really doing deep packet inspection but rather just tracing back requests for internet data and comparing that to the baseline device profiles they have.
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Just another reason to buy unlocked. I tether all the time with no issues. Just because they may have removed CarrierIQ, doesn't mean they haven't possibly baked their own monitoring tools into their devices and we just haven't found them yet. (I'm paranoid like that). I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
Not saying they wouldn't possibly perform packet inspection, just saying it's not as likely as monitoring tools of some kind or another.
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It's certainly possible, though I'm pretty sure I've heard of people getting caught on non-AT&T devices, as well as AT&T devices with non-AT&T-based ROMs, so at least in some cases they are performing deep inspection of packets (unless they just send out the effing letters at random, which is certainly plausible given the false positives some people have reported). And really, it's not like I need more reasons to prefer an unbranded device, since AT&T makes their equivalents worse almost every time. Still, I think there are a hundred other threads on these forums with all the various theories about how, when, and why they detect tethering, and I'm sure we have both read a number of them, so it probably isn't worth rehashing all this here.
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Valid points indeed. In fact, before getting my 7.7, I almost decided on sticking with my GS2 and getting a Prime instead. As you said, WiFi is just about everywhere, and for places where WiFi isn't present, I could have just tethered to my GS2.
At this point, it's a matter of personal preference really. For me, I would much rather have only to carry one device on me than two, even if it does kinda force me into using a murse, which I've actually come to like quite a lot! That's why I went with the 7.7 instead; all-in-one device consolidation.
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I totally agree that it's about personal preference phone use. If you're liking carrying a murse around, more power to ya, but I'm happier being able to keep everything in my pockets.
Plus, when I am carrying the tab around, I like not having to worry about keeping it charged. I don't treat my GS2 batteries very well because I am always leery of having my phone battery die while I'm out somewhere, especially when I know I'll be tethering or playing games. But I'm really not worried about the lifetime of my $12 Anker batteries; if they don't hold a charge well tomorrow, they're super easy to replace. With the tab, I feel more obliged to take care of the non-replaceable battery--always let it almost fully discharge, not leaving it plugged in too long when fully charged, that sort of thing--and I would find that very inconvenient for my primary device.
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Just spent about four days with TMobile on the device getting connecting on their network (Even had a ticket). Finally found out that they had me on the wrong data plan. The device needs the Web Connect plan to connect. Being so new of a device, they had the wrong plan provisioned for me as I went straight to WiFi and did not check. I currently have my device subsidy unlocked to use my AT&T and added the Ad-Hoc supplicant which I thought was the cause. After several days, someone finally realized the plan was incorrect since a Tmo Blackberry Sim worked perfectly fine.
Moral of the story, have them check to see if you have the Even More webConnect Overage Free Plan for $39.99.
Same thing happened to me and I didn't discover it til yesterday... had been using wifi all along... but in my case it was because I was on a voice plan...
effing Tmo.... just about to kiss 'em goodbye. Which makes me sad because AT&T is really not an option for me... and I don't think phone calling will be enabled on VZ or Sprint.
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Just spent about four days with TMobile on the device getting connecting on their network (Even had a ticket). Finally found out that they had me on the wrong data plan. The device needs the Web Connect plan to connect. Being so new of a device, they had the wrong plan provisioned for me as I went straight to WiFi and did not check. I currently have my device subsidy unlocked to use my AT&T and added the Ad-Hoc supplicant which I thought was the cause. After several days, someone finally realized the plan was incorrect since a Tmo Blackberry Sim worked perfectly fine.
Moral of the story, have them check to see if you have the Even More webConnect Overage Free Plan for $39.99.
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we all new this, this is nothing new...
I cancelled my Tmobile account today. After I got the Tab, I went to my account online and switched it to a voice/data/txt plan, which took effect today. I quickly tested it, and It was blocked, so I called up and cancelled.
The first customer service girl said "Awww!" when I told her I was cancelling.
The second one asked if I would like to be switched to the proper web connect plan. I said no thank you, your service plans are inadequate for my needs.
They just lost my $2300/year
Asshats!
Yeah... I think I'm heading down the same path... after I discovered that the voice plan was causing me to be redirected to Tmo on 2G/3G... no flashing, nothing else ... I just figure, **** 'em.
If they want to make it this difficult to use it as a phone, when AT&T didn't go to any of the efforts Tmo has gone to to block calling plus data, it's just not worth fighting them anymore.
Sadly, this is probably the death knell for the Tab for me... unless I just resign myself to carrying two devices... or perhaps I might try the ATT and see if wifi will work okay... their 3G service is terribly spotty in my area.
If it's only going to be an internet device and not a phone, might as well go for the less than half price Archos 70...
Call me stupid i guess, but im gonna try to stick it out and see what happens. Is there any prepaid plans out there that will work with att and get 3g? I dont want to have to get a contract with them if i do have to give up on tmo.
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!
Edit: just read turckboattruck thread. Omit question about a prepaid att plan.
Lol
I don't know if it's just because you guys generally do everything bigger in USA compared to over here in the UK, but why would you even want this to be the only phone you're carrying around? It's huge, and you have to use it on loudspeaker if you're not connecting the headset.
How is it that it wouldn't be a hindrance to you guys?
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I don't know if it's just because you guys generally do everything bigger in USA compared to over here in the UK, but why would you even want this to be the only phone you're carrying around? It's huge, and you have to use it on loudspeaker if you're not connecting the headset.
How is it that it wouldn't be a hindrance to you guys?
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It's just the fact that U.S. carriers decided to not include the phone feature that is getting us to want to do it. if it came with phone half of these discussions wouldn't even exist(obviously).
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Can we change IMIE on t-mobile tab to get what we want. I think we all know tmobile is blocking tab because the IMIE # is in their database.
I wanna stick to t-mobile bcoz I have 5.99 Tzones unlimited data plan. Im currently using iphone 3G.
I can use a TT Tab but then it works only on Edge. What Im looking for is a Nexus 1 like Tab which can be used for 5.99 tzones plan.
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Can we change IMIE on t-mobile tab to get what we want. I think we all know tmobile is blocking tab because the IMIE # is in their database.
I wanna stick to t-mobile bcoz I have 5.99 Tzones unlimited data plan. Im currently using iphone 3G.
I can use a TT Tab but then it works only on Edge. What Im looking for is a Nexus 1 like Tab which can be used for 5.99 tzones plan.
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It's IMEI and no, you can't.
dalethefarmer said:
It's just the fact that U.S. carriers decided to not include the phone feature that is getting us to want to do it. if it came with phone half of these discussions wouldn't even exist(obviously).
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Clear the US carriers seem to think that if they don't include voice, you'll be forced to have two contracts - one for the phone and one for the Tab. The irony is that most people wouldn't even attempt to use the Tab as a phone except in a few limited situations (note, I said most, not all! ), so would've probably had two contracts anyway.
I find it very hard to believe that all 4 major US carriers came to this conclusion on their own, at the same time, which would lead me to believe there's a cartel here.
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I feel sorry for our American friends.
Here in the UK, We can get iPhone on any network at very competative prices and the Galaxy Tab Standalone for £469 unlocked and use any network we choose with it, including Phone, DATA, etc..
Where in the US the networks seem to take advantage of the monopoly they have and charge rediculously high prices for equipment and services.
paulrod said:
I feel sorry for our American friends.
Here in the UK, We can get iPhone on any network at very competative prices and the Galaxy Tab Standalone for £469 unlocked and use any network we choose with it, including Phone, DATA, etc..
Where in the US the networks seem to take advantage of the monopoly they have and charge rediculously high prices for equipment and services.
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Sure looks that way doesn't it, not that I would buy an iPhone again. But in the case of the tab, I can't believe they actually locked down the phone capabilities.
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As many of you know att was busting users tethering. I dont really use it all that often and since all the talk about att catching people tethering, i thought i would never be able to use it ever again, IF i needed too. Some times share with the klids phones if we are mobile. They dont have data.
Ive turned it on a couple times testing. I connected the laptop to it and loaded "a" page. I havent gotton any emails yet, or ever.
I was just wondering, since this is not an att phone, and there is no tether manager, should we be able to tether without getting detected?
I thought for sure there was going to be a topic already here, but theres not???? my search didnt turn up andything!!
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As many of you know att was busting users tethering. I dont really use it all that often and since all the talk about att catching people tethering, i thought i would never be able to use it ever again, IF i needed too. Some times share with the klids phones if we are mobile. They dont have data.
Ive turned it on a couple times testing. I connected the laptop to it and loaded "a" page. I havent gotton any emails yet, or ever.
I was just wondering, since this is not an att phone, and there is no tether manager, should we be able to tether without getting detected?
I thought for sure there was going to be a topic already here, but theres not???? my search didnt turn up andything!!
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I made mine a wireless hotspot for my friends for about an hour and a half like two weeks ago and they didn't say anything to me or kick me off my data plan.
Thank for posting this! I was wondering as well!
They probably won't say anything so long as you keep within your data cap. Going over it and they will likely scold you...
Brian
No issues here...tethering away and remembering not to be a hog. Don't abuse it.
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No issues here...tethering away and remembering not to be a hog. Don't abuse it.
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Thank you!
When I had the HTC Evo I also had the tethering option ($30/month) but, fortunately, my company was picking up 90% of the tab. Now that my Evo is gone and I have a company provided iP4 I can't tether.
I have mixed feeling about tethering as it is a useful tool to have but also very easy to abuse. The problem with the abuse is that it eats into the bandwidth that I need for more casual usage and therefore negatively impacts my usage. I have heard of folks using of 50GB/month and if even a very small fraction of people did that there would be no cellular network that would survive.
When I get the Note I will probably go with the 4GB plan and have tethering. During my time with the Evo I averaged about 600MB/month including tethering, but with the Note I think the data use will go up because it will be far more useful and practical to surf the net and I think I'll probably go over 2GB/month. I will have to see what my data use actually is and if 2GB/month is enough and I can still tether than maybe that will be the way to go.
I don't see the need to try to game the system all that much and am willing to pay for what I use...
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I've tethered with my Dell streak for over a year, never had an issue.
You just have to stay under the radar. Start downloading ISO size files, and you can bet you will get dinged.
I have been tethering illicitly for almost a year, first on my rooted SGS and now my Note, because that's been my only available "broadband" connection where I live (and I only get about 300kbps down even on HSPA 3g... very oversubscribed towers around here).
I got the dreaded warning letter from AT&T a couple months ago, where they politely suggested that I need to upgrade my plan to include tethering...and if I continue tethering, they will eventually do it for me.
That was a few months ago and they haven't done it yet, though I did back off on my data consumption after I got that letter (I stand to lose my unlimited data plan as well as seeing my monthly bill go up by $30).
I suspect that they infer that you're tethering based on your traffic, and that they can't actually tell whether you have tethering enabled on your rooted phone. E.g. if you're doing a lot of bittorrenting and connecting to sites like Windowsupdate.com, those would be pretty big clue that you're running a PC over your connection.
I rarely use my PC any more, and no more bt :-( so I am hoping they will continue to let my occasional small amount of tethering slide. And if they don't, I may just upgrade to a Verizon 4g LTE mifi instead, since that is now available in my area
HTH
I'm on att and with android phones I've been tethering for almost two years with no problem. It included the Nexus one, the galaxy tab, the inspire 4g, the unlocked sgs2 and now the Note. I frequently used the tethering option to connect my galaxy tab 10.1. I average 5GB a month and have never gotten any warning.
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I'm based in the UK so i don't have any useful input, I just find this article interesting. Your guys network operators over in the US sound like nazis. and I thought ours were bad?
I've seen a few networks over here include tethering as a "bolt-on" style upgrade to a price plan, but my question is, how the hell do they know? like with my SGS, tethering is part of the phone, so it was my understanding that they couldn't tell (unless you had anormal traffic - but with phones getting better processors surely that kind of traffic will very soon, if not already, be possible without tethering?)
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I'm on att and with android phones I've been tethering for almost two years with no problem. It included the Nexus one, the galaxy tab, the inspire 4g, the unlocked sgs2 and now the Note. I frequently used the tethering option to connect my galaxy tab 10.1. I average 5GB a month and have never gotten any warning.
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yeah, like I said: I don't think they can actually tell you have tethering enabled, so if the only devices you're connecting to your AP are other phones, they likely will never figure it out. But if you connect a Mac or PC much, watch out.
UPDATE: AT&T finally forced me into their tethering plan. I put my SIM into an old dumb phone, went online and changed the phone model on my acct, and they automatically dropped me back into my old unlimited data plan. Swapped the SIM back into the Note, all better again
We'll see how long it lasts, but since I'm not tethering anymore (just got a Verizon LTE Mifi) I will probably drop my data pan down to the minimum 200mb and save another $15/mo.
I'm seriously looking into switching all four of my lines over to Verizon now!
I see quite a few posts about the note IMEI not being in AT&T systems and how you can get around smartphone data plans or what not....
The note IMEI is in AT&T systems, we had to because our systems for whatever reason categorized out as a tablet mistakingly and caused a lot of people to lose their data plans as they were "incorrect"
Just a heads up for anyone.
This is old news and not true anymore.
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This was fixed more than a month ago, and isn't true anymore.
Enjoy your Note!
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I see quite a few posts about the note IMEI not being in AT&T systems and how you can get around smartphone data plans or what not....
The note IMEI is in AT&T systems, we had to because our systems for whatever reason categorized out as a tablet mistakingly and caused a lot of people to lose their data plans as they were "incorrect"
Just a heads up for anyone.
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Our IMEI's are not in AT&T's system. What had happened is that some of our Note's (not all) happened to coincide with an erroneously entered range of IMEI's in AT&T's database. It was down to human error.
I work for AT&T And I talk to note users and it shows up as the n7000
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As an AT&T employee, I can also confirm this.
Although this has been well documented for the last couple months.
Right now the best way around it is to backup and then wipe your EFS folder.
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As an AT&T employee, I can also confirm this.
Although this has been well documented for the last couple months.
Right now the best way around it is to backup and then wipe your EFS folder.
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As already mentioned above, one of the members here contacted some AT&T execs and made them aware of the problem. AT&T discovered that when entering IMEI numbers for a certain 10" galaxy tab into their database, they messed one up, transposing 2 digits. This erroneous number range just so happened to coincide with a range of Galaxy Note IMEIs. That caused some Note owners to have their device identified as a 10" galaxy tab. They have since fixed the database error, so Notes are no longer being identified as tablets.
Whether or not the proper IMEIs for international Notes are in their system, I don't know. However, when I log onto my online account management, the system doesn't recognize my phone. It shows a generic flip phone. When I go to manage features, the only data options it gives me are the dumbphone data plans; $15 for unlimited. This leads me to believe that AT&T does NOT have the international Notes' IMEIs in their system. Sure, the system may somehow be capable of telling the rep that the phone model is reported as N-7000, but the system clearly doesn't "know" that it's a smartphone.
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As already mentioned above, one of the members here contacted some AT&T execs and made them aware of the problem. AT&T discovered that when entering IMEI numbers for a certain 10" galaxy tab into their database, they messed one up, transposing 2 digits. This erroneous number range just so happened to coincide with a range of Galaxy Note IMEIs. That caused some Note owners to have their device identified as a 10" galaxy tab. They have since fixed the database error, so Notes are no longer being identified as tablets.
Whether or not the proper IMEIs for international Notes are in their system, I don't know. However, when I log onto my online account management, the system doesn't recognize my phone. It shows a generic flip phone. When I go to manage features, the only data options it gives me are the dumbphone data plans; $15 for unlimited. This leads me to believe that AT&T does NOT have the international Notes' IMEIs in their system. Sure, the system may somehow be capable of telling the rep that the phone model is reported as N-7000, but the system clearly doesn't "know" that it's a smartphone.
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And your EFS folder hasn't been wiped? When did you get your phone?
I personally experienced the issue on my own Galaxy Note just 3 weeks ago where it was showing up as a tablet.
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Whether or not the proper IMEIs for international Notes are in their system, I don't know. However, when I log onto my online account management, the system doesn't recognize my phone. It shows a generic flip phone. When I go to manage features, the only data options it gives me are the dumbphone data plans; $15 for unlimited. This leads me to believe that AT&T does NOT have the international Notes' IMEIs in their system. Sure, the system may somehow be capable of telling the rep that the phone model is reported as N-7000, but the system clearly doesn't "know" that it's a smartphone.
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You summed it up perfectly. My experience as well.
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And your EFS folder hasn't been wiped? When did you get your phone?
I personally experienced the issue on my own Galaxy Note just 3 weeks ago where it was showing up as a tablet.
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My EFS folder is virgin, untouched. I got my Note at the beginning of November.
I talked personally with an AT&T product manager about this very issue. Here was his response:
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I just spoke with our supply chain team and we figured out the issue – a digit was transposed when we loaded in a set of IMEI TAC ranges to our systems in October and this resulted in classifying a subset of Samsung Galaxy Note products erroneously. Your IMEI range was not impacted and your product will work without issue and without concern of losing your unlimited smartphone data plan experience.
To be clear, you have not actually received any “alerts” from AT&T about data plan eligibility because you have not moved your SIM card into the Samsung Galaxy Note product as of yet? You can do so without issue at this time.
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As if the imminent launch news hasn't confirmed this, despite what people think on the internet, it's not a tablet according to AT&T. No EFS trickery necessary.
Maroon Mushroom said:
As an AT&T employee, I can also confirm this.
Although this has been well documented for the last couple months.
Right now the best way around it is to backup and then wipe your EFS folder.
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Not all international IMEI's were affected. I too have an untouched /efs folder, and I haven't run into any issues. Been two weeks so far. The system does however know that I have a GT-N7000 though.
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Not all international IMEI's were affected. I too have an untouched /efs folder, and I haven't run into any issues. Been two weeks so far. The system does however know that I have a GT-N7000 though.
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AT&T knows what devices we are using. The IMEI is logged every time your phone turns on and connects to a tower. Just because OLAM may show a generic flip phone when you are using an unlocked device doesn't mean that AT&T doesn't really know what it is. They just haven't chosen to tie the two systems together for billing/tracking purposes.
There was a thread on HoFo a few years back where folks were bragging about AT&T having no clue about their unlocked unbranded smartphones while on the $15 MediaNet plan. A CSR posted the link to an AT&T/Cingular website (it was publicly available) where you input either your phone number or the IMEI and it returned exactly what device you were using. So they know.
I'm not convinced it's a huge issue for them either, beyond going after huge data users/tetherers. The percent of customers using unlocked phones on their network is likely tiny. The vast majority of cellular users in the US aren't even aware of unlocked phones and even if they were, most wouldn't pay the upfront costs to buy one. De la Vega said as much in the Engadget interview a couple of years ago. This is a problem for enthusiasts only. As much as AT&T gets maligned in the press (mostly due to the old iPhone/network issues which I'm convinced were 100% the fault of the iPhone and it's lousy "air interface"), I'm impressed that they took care of this issue with the unlocked Notes and the incorrect IMEIs so quickly. They really had no reason or incentive to do so, especially with their own version of the Note coming so quickly thereafter.
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AT&T knows what devices we are using. The IMEI is logged every time your phone turns on and connects to a tower. Just because OLAM may show a generic flip phone when you are using an unlocked device doesn't mean that AT&T doesn't really know what it is. They just haven't chosen to tie the two systems together for billing/tracking purposes.
There was a thread on HoFo a few years back where folks were bragging about AT&T having no clue about their unlocked unbranded smartphones while on the $15 MediaNet plan. A CSR posted the link to an AT&T/Cingular website (it was publicly available) where you input either your phone number or the IMEI and it returned exactly what device you were using. So they know.
I'm not convinced it's a huge issue for them either, beyond going after huge data users/tetherers. The percent of customers using unlocked phones on their network is likely tiny. The vast majority of cellular users in the US aren't even aware of unlocked phones and even if they were, most wouldn't pay the upfront costs to buy one. De la Vega said as much in the Engadget interview a couple of years ago. This is a problem for enthusiasts only. As much as AT&T gets maligned in the press (mostly due to the old iPhone/network issues which I'm convinced were 100% the fault of the iPhone and it's lousy "air interface"), I'm impressed that they took care of this issue with the unlocked Notes and the incorrect IMEIs so quickly. They really had no reason or incentive to do so, especially with their own version of the Note coming so quickly thereafter.
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Not that it affects me directly, yet, but as an unlimited data user, I really do dislike US carriers' move towards tiered data policies and throttling, at least in principle. That said, I guess I'm not really opposed to it as long as it is merely a stop-gap solution to buy them some time while they simply focus on upgrading their capacity in order to be capable of managing the ensuing tsunami of high-volume mobile data users.
I guarantee that if carriers (not just AT&T) re-introduced unlimited data access devoid of any kind of throttling and so forth, the "top 5% of data users" figure would jump significantly, especially with LTE. More and more, wireless carriers are becoming common ISP's, and voice and text features are getting less important to people as the importance of data rises in the general public.
Personally, I think the best solution for consumers would be service bought and paid for through Google or Apple or RIM or Nokia, but on carrier agnostic devices.
Think about it this way:
Imagine you buy a Google Nexus device, and rather than paying VZW, or Sprint, or AT&T, or T-Mobile for your service, you pay Google instead. Google would in turn have service agreements with the carriers, so you wouldn't have direct interaction with them anymore. And now, your phone simply connects to whatever network is providing you the best service in any particular area, whether it be any of the carriers mentioned above, or maybe even to just a WiFi hotspot, and the transition to and from all those different carriers and technologies would be totally transparent to the user. It'd be like the ultimate MNVO!
Republic of Wireless is already headed in this direction, and it would be amazing to see it gain some traction and get even bigger!
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Not that it affects me directly, yet, but as an unlimited data user, I really do dislike US carriers' move towards tiered data policies and throttling, at least in principle. That said, I guess I'm not really opposed to it as long as it is merely a stop-gap solution to buy them some time while they simply focus on upgrading their capacity in order to be capable of managing the ensuing tsunami of high-volume mobile data users.
I guarantee that if carriers (not just AT&T) re-introduced unlimited data access devoid of any kind of throttling and so forth, the "top 5% of data users" figure would jump significantly, especially with LTE. More and more, wireless carriers are becoming common ISP's, and voice and text features are getting less important to people as the importance of data rises in the general public.
Personally, I think the best solution for consumers would be service bought and paid for through Google or Apple or RIM or Nokia, but on carrier agnostic devices.
Think about it this way:
Imagine you buy a Google Nexus device, and rather than paying VZW, or Sprint, or AT&T, or T-Mobile for your service, you pay Google instead. Google would in turn have service agreements with the carriers, so you wouldn't have direct interaction with them anymore. And now, your phone simply connects to whatever network is providing you the best service in any particular area, whether it be any of the carriers mentioned above, or maybe even to just a WiFi hotspot, and the transition to and from all those different carriers and technologies would be totally transparent to the user. It'd be like the ultimate MNVO!
Republic of Wireless is already headed in this direction, and it would be amazing to see it gain some traction and get even bigger!
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I agree it would be fantastic. The US wireless carriers are deathly afraid of becoming dumb pipes. It's their own fault they haven't managed to come up with a value-added service beyond the network itself.
I think it's more likely that Google does something like buy T-Mobile and combine that network with Google's fiber optic network to get nationwide coverage. It's unlikely, but one can dream right?
Today, AT&T has finally become somewhat less unreasonable with regard to their throttling policies!
So, if you're an unlimited data user suffering from stupid throttling woes at usage less than 2GB in a billing cycle, you can breathe a slight sigh of relief. But here's a little tip if you think 3GB still isn't reasonable enough for you:
Go to your local AT&T store and get the IMEI from one of their LTE Note display units by dialing *#06#
Then, call customer service and let the agent know that you bought an LTE Note from on the internet or some other third party, and request that your service be enabled for LTE usage. Specifically, that your SOC code be changed to LTEDPPB. They will ask you for your device's IMEI. Provide them the IMEI you got from the display unit.
Now, you can continue to enjoy "unlimited" data, and not have to worry about running into any speed limits until 5GB instead of 3!
Enjoy!
P.S. APN's that work on this new plan:
pta
Phone
wap.cingular
Google those APN's for the proper settings, and you're all set!
P.P.S. Don't use the "Broadband" APN, because that's used only for tethering, and that would raise red flags on your account. Not sure it would work anyway. You should still be able to tether just fine with any of the other APN's though.
I have unlimited plan, but i bought the international copy which H+
Should I do anything?
I use tethering apps a lot!
I'm on that data plan and you can still get throttled but I'm assuming you now have more options for APN switching
so basically you are spoofing the imei to circumvent their system and enable you to defraud them
Richy99 said:
so basically you are spoofing the imei to circumvent their system and enable you to defraud them
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Who is defrauding who? Exactly...thanks OP
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Who is defrauding who? Exactly...thanks OP
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Ha ha ha, good point! If they are going to throttle why can't they at least make it the same amount across the plans?
Does anyone know if this causes a change to the agreement? IE we lose any rights over law suit from the old plan? I don't like suing but I like knowing that I CAN and I like them knowing people HAVE sued
I'm using the "broadband" APN, but that's because I'm using a Unlimited iPad SIM. I don't think this will work for me. I guess I could use a IMEI from a LTE tablet such as the JetStream?
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I have unlimited plan, but i bought the international copy which H+
Should I do anything?
I use tethering apps a lot!
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First of all, you don't need to use any apps on your international Note in order to tether; tethering is baked right into your wireless settings by default.
Secondly, whether or not you want to do anything is up to you. If your account is currently on a non-LTE unlimited plan, then you will automatically get 3GB of un-throttled usage starting at your next billing cycle. If you think that's enough for you, then you don't have to do anything. If you want more, you can give yourself 5GB instead of 3 by doing what I described in the OP.
The LTE plans simply provision you access to the LTE APN (pta), which works on both HSPA+ and LTE. I mean, it has to, because if you had an LTE phone and were going through an area without LTE coverage, it would fall back to HSPA+ for service instead. Since the international Note doesn't have an LTE radio in it, it's just going to use HSPA+.
I suppose the added bonus is that when unlocked LTE phones do eventually come around, especially ones compatible with US frequency blocks, you won't have to make any changes to your account then.
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I'm using the "broadband" APN, but that's because I'm using a Unlimited iPad SIM. I don't think this will work for me. I guess I could use a IMEI from a LTE tablet such as the JetStream?
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This is a data-only plan correct? I'm not sure how AT&T's new policies affect those kinds of plans. I suppose, theoretically, the same process could work by using the IMEI of an LTE AT&T tablet. I don't know for sure though. You could always pioneer this for us and report back!
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so basically you are spoofing the imei to circumvent their system and enable you to defraud them
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This is a similar process as to what people had to do with their imported Galaxy S2's in order to get HSPA+ to work properly. Basically, we had to get the IMEI of one of AT&T's HSPA+ devices (like the Infuse 4G) and use that to provision our accounts properly. The manual input of the IMEI is only temporary anyway; the system automatically re-updates with your unlocked device's IMEI once you reboot, so there's really no spoofing going on here. It's more of an administrative thing than anything else. If I called in to customer support right now and politely asked to have my account provisioning modified or changed to a slightly different plan, the rep would ask me for my IMEI, I would give it to them, and they would see that it is unlocked, not classified in AT&T's database, and I would be told "Sorry, we don't officially support this device, there's nothing we can do..." And that's true, because their system shows available account features based on the classification of device, and for unlocked devices, they're unclassified.
As for defrauding AT&T for an additional 2GB of un-throttled data, I'm not defrauding them any more than they are defrauding me out of the unlimited, unrestricted, non-throttled service that I signed up for originally. Nor am I defrauding them any more by using an unlocked tablet device as a phone as well (the 7.7 is my daily driver), thus saving myself from either having to pay for an additional data line, or getting rid of my unlimited data and purchasing an additional tethering option.
I am not going to be a passive consumer. I am not afraid to stand up to big corporations and be aggressively thrifty with them, especially when they are aggressively greedy with us. If you don't fight back, they're just going to keep gouging you for everything you have until you eventually reach a point where enough is enough. I already reached that point long ago, and more and more people are getting there now. Corporations are always pushing the consumer's spending boundaries, until they cry "uncle." All I'm doing here is encouraging people to fight back, and cry uncle even sooner and more aggressively. I mean, that iPhone guy in California did it and won! Thanks to him (possibly), we're now no longer going to be throttled into oblivion at least until we reach more reasonable thresholds.
Moral of this story:
Corporations are greedy and amoral, and will bend whatever rules they can get away with to get more money out of you. They have no honour. They don't care about you. They care about the bottom line. They care about making money off of you. They don't care if they have to do morally or ethically questionable things to get more money out of you, as long as they can get away with it.
So stop defending them. Stand up for yourself and your fellow consumers. Band together and fight back!
I second everything j. E. W.! Very well said!
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thanks J E Wolf... for the good info...
can I us my friends LTE skyrocket imei number for this? will it mess.with his account in any way mi
thanks
jimmbomb said:
thanks J E Wolf... for the good info...
can I us my friends LTE skyrocket imei number for this? will it mess.with his account in any way mi
thanks
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Yeah you should be able to use that IMEI as well. Any LTE device should work really. It won't mess with anyone's account.
*bump again*
I think im going to use my buddies att note since its lte!
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I think im going to use my buddies att note since its lte!
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That'll work
After reading the stories of att and locked bootloader. I did the tmobile phone trick. Payed 710 for a tmobile phone, and sold my newly shipped att note 3 on ebay for 700.
Did the unlock and root with 0 issues b
Now I dont use hot spots often, but I do need it occasionally. I found the tmobile hot spot app works flawlessly on att and no lock out or restrictions.
Just another perk to using a tmobile note 3!
Frank
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ultravorx said:
After reading the stories of att and locked bootloader. I did the tmobile phone trick. Payed 710 for a tmobile phone, and sold my newly shipped att note 3 on ebay for 700.
Did the unlock and root with 0 issues b
Now I dont use hot spots often, but I do need it occasionally. I found the tmobile hot spot app works flawlessly on att and no lock out or restrictions.
Just another perk to using a tmobile note 3!
Frank
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I thought they could detect Hotspot and would come after you for tethering which I never understood.
les_garten said:
I thought they could detect Hotspot and would come after you for tethering which I never understood.
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OP will get one of AT&T's famous "Did you know?" text messages and find his data account moved to one that supports tethering. He may get a warning first.
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OP will get one of AT&T's famous "Did you know?" text messages and find his data account moved to one that supports tethering. He may get a warning first.
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Other than a company wanting to charge the customer twice for something they are already paying for, if I have 3 GB of data, who cares where it's the phone or me getting a file off the Internet on my Laptop? I never understood why they do this.
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Other than a company wanting to charge the customer twice for something they are already paying for, if I have 3 GB of data, who cares where it's the phone or me getting a file off the Internet on my Laptop? I never understood why they do this.
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I'm not defending AT&T's policies, I just didn't want people to make buying decisions based on OP's post and find out the hard way AT&T monitors devices on their network no matter where they come from (international unlocked, T-Mobile, Rogers Canada). I used the $10 unlimited data for non-Smartphones plan with international devices on AT&T for years. About seven months ago the party ended when they introduced new device databases that more closely tie to the services allocated on people's accounts. Getting around their policies was fun while it lasted.
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I'm not defending AT&T's policies, I just didn't want people to make buying decisions based on OP's post and find out the hard way AT&T monitors devices on their network no matter where they come from (international unlocked, T-Mobile, Rogers Canada). I used the $10 unlimited data for non-Smartphones plan with international devices on AT&T for years. About seven months ago the party ended when they introduced new device databases that more closely tie to the services allocated on people's accounts. Getting around their policies was fun while it lasted.
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I know exactly what you're talking about.