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Hi, sorry if this is a double post. I did look around but could not find much info.
I'm interested to know how well the new 16GB MicroSD cards work on the Xperia. Anyone using one of these? My main concern is that they all seem to only be class 2 atm. Is this too slow to run apps and my videos stored on it etc?
Should I wait till a class 4 16GB card comes out?
Thanks
Edit: I also noticed that SanDisk has a “Mobile Ultra” memory card range. Only up to 8GB though. Anyone using one of these? Is there a big difference in speeds?
i don't think it matters in a phone.
I ordered the eact same Mobile Ultra card today. Should be here saturday, so I will tell when I get it. But assuming it's Class 6 card, it should be fast. I wouldn't go with Class 2, since it's slow. But as Jabe says, it might not matter on the phone.
So as at now no one's using a 16GB yet?
Give me a week or 2. I'm planning on ordering the Sandisk one.
Sandisk Mobile Ultra is good, and it's what I am using for X1. Since it's class 6, the read/write speed is about 20/16 mb/s, which is much faster than class 2. If you wanna watch video storaged in card, this one is your first choice.
wdq30 said:
Sandisk Mobile Ultra is good, and it's what I am using for X1. Since it's class 6, the read/write speed is about 20/16 mb/s, which is much faster than class 2. If you wanna watch video storaged in card, this one is your first choice.
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Note that the speed in the end is depending on the host itself. If the host is slow, even if you use class 6 memory card, it's not going to make any difference. Personally I believe the phone itself would be the bottleneck and not the memory card.
I know it's not totally relevant but just for reference, take a look at the link below. As you can see the speed of class 2 and 6 are pretty identical as it's limited by the host. This is even with a dedicated memory card reader. Compare the 2nd and 4th entries from the bottom.
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/reader_report_multi_page.asp?cid=6007-9438
VaThInK said:
Note that the speed in the end is depending on the host itself. If the host is slow, even if you use class 6 memory card, it's not going to make any difference. Personally I believe the phone itself would be the bottleneck and not the memory card.
I know it's not totally relevant but just for reference, take a look at the link below. As you can see the speed of class 2 and 6 are pretty identical as it's limited by the host. This is even with a dedicated memory card reader. Compare the 2nd and 4th entries from the bottom.
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/reader_report_multi_page.asp?cid=6007-9438
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If that's the case, what's the optimal speed supported by X1?
So anyone able to compare the 2 classes
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So as at now no one's using a 16GB yet?
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I'm using a 16GB Class 2 at the moment. No probs with apps or music. But I have no videos on the card...
with normal sd cards the pdas were mostly not able to transfer as fast as the sd card supported
as the sd interface in onchip and not that fast
would like to see some tests if the same hold true with newer pda's and class X microSD cards
anyone able to follow this up yet?
I'm using a Sandisk 8gb Class 4 HC. No problems with speed or data read/write (on the phone itself).
Using the phone as a disk drive though (not activesync) is noticeably slower than using a USB adapter, *suggesting* the phone itself is the bottleneck?
I'm using a SanDisk 8GB Class II Card and I had no problems with photos, videos or music so far.
Don't think a Class 4 or 6 is worth the price in a mobile phone.
I got my 16GB Microsdhc today. And everything works. Sad thing is it only shows 15GB.
I find no difference in speed between my 8G class 6 and 16G class 2 (both from Sandisk)
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I got my 16GB Microsdhc today. And everything works. Sad thing is it only shows 15GB.
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it's 15G probably because of the way how "G" is being calculated. 16,000,000,000 = 16,000,000,000/(1024*1024*1024) = 14.9GB
im using a 8g class 4 card, music, apps and vids work great.
just a quick question, the x1 has a sd card limit of 32g, when a larger card comes out like the 128gb card that sandisk has said will come out, could windows mobile have a update so that it can read it or is limited to the reader hardware inside the x1
I have 2 cards: Sandisk 16GB Class 2 and Kingston 8GB class 4.
I use Sandisk in Xperia, and the speed is more than sufficient. It reaches 12-15 MB/s writing on USB adapter. Reading - it's no problem reaching even more. So it's ok, speed wise.
I don't think you would need more speed in Xperia )
There's no HD video recording option in there )
one can use pocket mechanics to benchmark the sdcard speed
if the results are lower i would suspect it show the bottleneck speed
of the sd interface of the qualcomm cpu in x1
I have a 16gb micro sdhc and some .avi videos lag (highish quality). Specifically, top gear season 12 episodes from finalgear.com. it might be the divx client though, Im using the WM 6 Pro version available on the divx website.
So I downloaded this app call H2testw.exe to test for legit sdcards but it also tells the read/write speed as well. I am testing my 8gb and 1gb cards. I set it to write a 300 mb files to the card and verify it.
Info about Android running on the two cards:
8gb = lags coming out of sleep, touch screen freezes, write~7.5 mb/s, read~12mb/s
1gb = no lags, no touch screen, write~4.3mb, read~13mb/s
I'm confused. The read speed is almost the same yet the 1gb microsd is more responsive running MDJ android compared to the 8gb microsd. Any thought?
UPDATE: Maybe this is what's causing the problem. Stolen from Engadget.
What we've learned from our tipsters and from documents culled from Microsoft, Samsung, and others is that the big issue is random access performance -- a figure that isn't taken into account in a card's class rating. Ironically, Microsoft discovered in its testing that cards with higher class ratings actually performed worse on Windows Phone 7 because the tweaks card manufacturers make to achieve high sequential throughput can actually hurt random access times. There's some rocket science involved here, but basically, it's a tradeoff and a bit of a gamble -- if a manufacturer tunes a card for a high class rating, it takes more time to access the first byte at a new location on the card because it's optimizing access for that area of memory, but once it does that, it can blast sequential bytes at very high speed. If you've got a lot of small reads or writes you need to make to different files at different locations in the card's memory, though, you really start to suffer. Cards with lower class ratings tend to spend less time optimizing sequential access prior to the first read / write operation, so it can move around the card (that is, access it randomly) much faster.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/17/windows-phone-7s-microsd-mess-the-full-story-and-how-nokia-ca/
They are probably different classes, plus it naturally takes longer with a bigger card because there's more files and more space to read and write
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I get screen freezes with 8gb and up but rarely with new builds, haven't tried a card higher than class 6
Also I'm on radio 2.15
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Oddly enough, I have two 8gb cards, one class 4 the other class 6, and they hiccup more than my 16gb class 2.
Now that is weird.
I'm lost myself...I'm thinking off just getting me a 4gb card and hope for the best...
I heard the 16gb class 10 is perfect but it still cost to much for nand to be around the corner
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16 gb class 10 no lag cost me over 100 pounds tho
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Cheapest 16GB - lags from time to time :/
Maybe defragmentation may help?
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Cheapest 16GB - lags from time to time :/
Maybe defragmentation may help?
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Defrag wont help...scan for errors...try to have only the android folder and see if it makes a different ..
Btw, guys...
all sd cards are not created equal. all sd cards of the same CLASS are not created equal.
Check out the ongoing drama with win7 phones with SD slots....
class measures throughput, what affects the SOD and related issues is random access speed, not throughput so much.
It's just my 2 cents, but I've tested Class 2, 4, and 6 MicroSDHC cards and found very little noticeable difference once Android is fully booted up and running on the HD2. Moreover, none of the cards create screen freezes or SOD issues or high battery drain problems here. That said, I have noticed that the actual boot time and file transfer speed (from the PC to the card) can be faster on average with quality higher class rated cards of the same size. Also, I've found that the larger the card size, the longer the android boot time, no matter the class. Guess that makes sense, as the system need to read more sectors with larger size cards. Please note that I've only tested Sandisk, Toshiba, TopRam and Samsung cards to date. What's kind of strange is that the Class 2 16 & 32GB Sandisk cards run just as well or slightly better for some reason than some of my higher class rated cards. Go figure...
As far as issues go, I recommend only using quality brand name cards, no ebay fakes or cheap no name brands. Also, I've had great luck formatting all my cards with SD Formatter v2.0 and v3.0, using the quick format mode with the standard 32kb cluster size.
Best to all,
R
rhacy said:
It's just my 2 cents, but I've tested Class 2, 4, and 6 MicroSDHC cards and found very little noticeable difference once Android is fully booted up and running on the HD2. Moreover, none of the cards create screen freezes or SOD issues or high battery drain problems here. That said, I have noticed that the actual boot time and file transfer speed (from the PC to the card) can be faster on average with quality higher class rated cards of the same size. Also, I've found that the larger the card size, the longer the android boot time, no matter the class. Guess that makes sense, as the system need to read more sectors with larger size cards. Please note that I've only tested Sandisk, Toshiba, TopRam and Samsung cards to date. What's kind of strange is that the Class 2 16 & 32GB Sandisk cards run just as well or slightly better for some reason than some of my higher class rated cards. Go figure...
As far as issues go, I recommend only using quality brand name cards, no ebay fakes or cheap no name brands. Also, I've had great luck formatting all my cards with SD Formatter v2.0 and v3.0, using the quick format mode with the standard 32kb cluster size.
Best to all,
R
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Great info here. I think I will just order me a new card from a reputable brand. Maybe my card is just getting old. Maybe a 16gb from Amazon will do. They aren't too expensive nowaday. ~$26.
Does the Radio version effects the lag of the sd card? Or the kernel?
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Does the Radio version effects the lag of the sd card? Or the kernel?
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No, not on the sd but radio does effect how the build will run, your phone calls, your battery.
Could this be the reason why class don't matter on hd2 android? I mean even some class 4 & 6 have lag and sod problem. I pulled this bit from engadget. It's an article on wp7 and memory card issues.
What we've learned from our tipsters and from documents culled from Microsoft, Samsung, and others is that the big issue is random access performance -- a figure that isn't taken into account in a card's class rating. Ironically, Microsoft discovered in its testing that cards with higher class ratings actually performed worse on Windows Phone 7 because the tweaks card manufacturers make to achieve high sequential throughput can actually hurt random access times. There's some rocket science involved here, but basically, it's a tradeoff and a bit of a gamble -- if a manufacturer tunes a card for a high class rating, it takes more time to access the first byte at a new location on the card because it's optimizing access for that area of memory, but once it does that, it can blast sequential bytes at very high speed. If you've got a lot of small reads or writes you need to make to different files at different locations in the card's memory, though, you really start to suffer. Cards with lower class ratings tend to spend less time optimizing sequential access prior to the first read / write operation, so it can move around the card (that is, access it randomly) much faster.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/17/windows-phone-7s-microsd-mess-the-full-story-and-how-nokia-ca/
azzzz said:
Could this be the reason why class don't matter on hd2 android? I mean even some class 4 & 6 have lag and sod problem. I pulled this bit from engadget. It's an article on wp7 and memory card issues.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/17/windows-phone-7s-microsd-mess-the-full-story-and-how-nokia-ca/
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Obviously.
Been saying this for a while, myself - I have experimented, and I get SOD every time with my 16gb class 6 card, but rarely with my class 2 8gb, and never ever (and, tbh, better responsiveness overall) with my 2gb NON-HC card
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Obviously.
Been saying this for a while, myself - I have experimented, and I get SOD every time with my 16gb class 6 card, but rarely with my class 2 8gb, and never ever (and, tbh, better responsiveness overall) with my 2gb NON-HC card
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I hope so...my class 2 16gb will be here in a couple of days...i hope it's faster than my current 8gb class 4....
Update: my 16gb class 2 sandisk is here. Things have improved alot. Wake up is faster now with less lag, market download speed is faster now (10kb vs 100kb). Hopefully system performance will be better...
I got a 32Gb MicroSDHC class-10 memorette card.
I verified the speed with a card reader + h2testw that write speed is : 14.7MByte/sec
read speed: 17.5MByte/sec
But when I used the class10 card in tmobile HD2, I am shocked.
When I copy a 720MB movie the write speed is about 4MByte/sec.
h2testw program when used on hd2 connected to PC, showed write speed as 4.8 MByte/sec only.
It needs to be noted the same card when tested with h2testw and a card reader gave 14MByte/sec but gives less than 4.5MB/sec on HD2.
How to fix this problem of HD2 microsd card speed!
Looks like HD2 usb controller has some problem.
the card is indeed class-10.
Please let me know a solution to this problem on HD2.
downbc1 said:
I got a 32Gb MicroSDHC class-10 memorette card.
I verified the speed with a card reader + h2testw that write speed is : 14.7MByte/sec
read speed: 17.5MByte/sec
But when I used the class10 card in tmobile HD2, I am shocked.
When I copy a 720MB movie the write speed is about 4MByte/sec.
h2testw program when used on hd2 connected to PC, showed write speed as 4.8 MByte/sec only.
It needs to be noted the same card when tested with h2testw and a card reader gave 14MByte/sec but gives less than 4.5MB/sec on HD2.
How to fix this problem of HD2 microsd card speed!
Looks like HD2 usb controller has some problem.
the card is indeed class-10.
Please let me know a solution to this problem on HD2.
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The HD2 doesn't read or write to sd cards at that high of speed... that's why it's pointless using class 6 or 10 cards in a HD2. I think most phones are like that. Class 6 and 10 cards are mainly used for digital cameras, where having high sequential write speeds matters.
zarathustrax said:
The HD2 doesn't read or write to sd cards at that high of speed... that's why it's pointless using class 6 or 10 cards in a HD2. I think most phones are like that. Class 6 and 10 cards are mainly used for digital cameras, where having high sequential write speeds matters.
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I have earlier used a nokia 5800 xpressmusic phone with a class 6 16GB card.
The data transfer speeds were higher than HD2.
Generalizing from a single instance (HD2 scenario) may not be correct.
I'm going to go with that the HD2 does not transfer faster than 5.3 MB/sec between the PC and the phone regardless of what the internal transfer rate between the phone and card is.
Using a class 6 card myself, i have noticed that the phone is much more responsive than it was with the class 2 card in there and movies play without stuttering from the class 6 card and applications launch quicker.
my nokia n81 8gb did 8MB/sec from internal 8GB and so did my KM900. The KM900 did 6.2MB from the same classs 6 card
I was under the impression the HD2 maxed at 16 gig. Maybe that's the problem?
Like zarathustrax said, the HD2 isn't capable of read/write any higher than a class 4 card. I think somewhere on the EVO forum there's a fix to unlock the read/write capability for a higher speed but I dunno if anyone here has tried the fix, or if it even works for the HD2 at all.
anhyeuemmaimai said:
I'm going to go with that the HD2 does not transfer faster than 5.3 MB/sec between the PC and the phone regardless of what the internal transfer rate between the phone and card is.
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This is not true. I've copied large files at over 10MB/s directly to the phone. I can't vouch for every hd2 though as it's quite possible they have different hardware. Also the speed drops dramatically if you're copying many smaller files.
I am thinking to buy memorette 32 gb microsd class 10 for my HD2.
As far as I have understood:
1) No matther what I cannot use it fully Class 10 speed when connected to HD2
2) When I connect it to my PC with card reader I can fully use class 10 speed.
I have sandial 8 gb class 2. When I connect it to my pc with card reader and transfering large amount of data (150+ MB), it cease to operate. I have to reconnect it. Then I shuld transfer in less amount of data or reduce copy speed (such as UltraCopy) . I think that is a safety issue for preventing disk from get burned. My question is, will I possibly have some issues with memorette or some other class 10 cards?
Also would it not better using class 10 card in HD2 for using on SD installed Operating System instead of class 6 or 4?
I would appriciate if someone return about memorette. I have never heard about that trademark. I am planning to bid on ebay today.
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lude219 said:
Like zarathustrax said, the HD2 isn't capable of read/write any higher than a class 4 card. I think somewhere on the EVO forum there's a fix to unlock the read/write capability for a higher speed but I dunno if anyone here has tried the fix, or if it even works for the HD2 at all.
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fix to unlock the read/write capability for a higher speed ????? Really ... i have buy a micro sd 16GB class 10 ........
morfil said:
I am thinking to buy memorette 32 gb microsd class 10 for my HD2.
As far as I have understood:
1) No matther what I cannot use it fully Class 10 speed when connected to HD2
2) When I connect it to my PC with card reader I can fully use class 10 speed.
I have sandial 8 gb class 2. When I connect it to my pc with card reader and transfering large amount of data (150+ MB), it cease to operate. I have to reconnect it. Then I shuld transfer in less amount of data or reduce copy speed (such as UltraCopy) . I think that is a safety issue for preventing disk from get burned. My question is, will I possibly have some issues with memorette or some other class 10 cards?
Also would it not better using class 10 card in HD2 for using on SD installed Operating System instead of class 6 or 4?
I would appriciate if someone return about memorette. I have never heard about that trademark. I am planning to bid on ebay today.
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A good quality class 2 or 4 sd card is usually better for running an operating system off of, as lower class cards tend to have faster random access speed and better random read/write speeds. Class 6 and 10 sd cards are designed to have a higher sequential write speed, but to achieve these higher speeds, the card initializes the part of the card that's about to be used. The initialization takes some extra time to get started, but boosts the sequential write/read speed so it's great for digital cameras or writing files sequentially.
But when it comes to using the card to run an OS off of, like android or wp7, or using the card to run apps off of, you are going to be reading and writing many small bits of data from different parts of the card. When it comes to this, you need a card that has a good random access speed and random read/write speeds. A high class card that is tweaked to have high sequential read/write speeds ends up being slower because it keeps initializing each part of the card before accessing it, while the lower class 2 or 4 card that doesn't do the initialization is a lot quicker accessing many small parts of the card because it doesn't have that extra step... but they don't get the speed boosts with sequential read/write.
Many people just assume that a higher class card is always going to be better, but this isn't true at all. It all depends on what you are using the card for. Higher class 6 or 10 cards are perfect for digital cameras, recording video, or transferring large files, etc... if you are going to be doing sequential reading or writing, higher class is better.
But for running apps off of, or running an OS off of, or using it as internal memory for an OS like wp7, or anything that will be accessing many parts of the card quickly or reading many small bits of data, etc., you want a card with a good random access speed and random read/write speeds, and that is something that is not rated on cards... but generally lower class cards are better than higher class cards... especially if you get a good quality brand, like sandisk. Sandisk class 2 and 4 are very good cards for random access speeds.
I hope some of you find this info useful and stop assuming a higher class card means better for all situations.
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This is not true. I've copied large files at over 10MB/s directly to the phone. I can't vouch for every hd2 though as it's quite possible they have different hardware. Also the speed drops dramatically if you're copying many smaller files.
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You must be special then. In my tests I had no difference in a class 2 and class 6.
morfil said:
I am thinking to buy memorette 32 gb microsd class 10 for my HD2.
As far as I have understood:
1) No matther what I cannot use it fully Class 10 speed when connected to HD2
2) When I connect it to my PC with card reader I can fully use class 10 speed.
I have sandial 8 gb class 2. When I connect it to my pc with card reader and transfering large amount of data (150+ MB), it cease to operate. I have to reconnect it. Then I shuld transfer in less amount of data or reduce copy speed (such as UltraCopy) . I think that is a safety issue for preventing disk from get burned. My question is, will I possibly have some issues with memorette or some other class 10 cards?
Also would it not better using class 10 card in HD2 for using on SD installed Operating System instead of class 6 or 4?
I would appriciate if someone return about memorette. I have never heard about that trademark. I am planning to bid on ebay today.
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I am using memorette class 10 32GB microsd currently.
Its affordable and is fully working. I have tested to full capacity read/write using h2testw as I wrote in an earlier post.
Just check the seller's feedback and the description though.
I use TEAM micro sd class 10 on my hero,but after a month my sd card write speed is only 2MB/s.
At the first time,it reach 11MB/s when i tested it with h2testw and sd speed test on my handset.
I only use 640MB for app2sd (ext2) without swap cache.
Could someone explain to me what was happen to my sd card?
Sorry for my bad English
Sorry if this was already asked but I tried searching. What type of class micro sd card will I actually benefit from? A samsung class 4 32gb is out there for a good price but if the tablet will actually take advantage of a class 10 I would get one of those.
for the most part it will not. Except in moving large files to and from the card.maybe playing movies from the card.but even movies are OK on 4.6 class cards..if you could run apps or have there data from SD card then it would be a big improvement. I have used a 8 gig class 4 and now have a 32gig class 10.can't tell much difference other then when pushing roms and other large files to my tablet over USB.
I would say get 6 minimum but if you have the cash faster is always better. Just don't go out and spend the money if you have a class 4card.
Im sure you will hear diffeent from others.
Not really. I have 5 sd's, and no difference between class4 and class 10.
Up to a certain size that is. Anything more than 16gb, and I would move to a class 10.
Rumor has it, that you can run a 64gb. If you partition it with Partition Magic.
I think it depends on what you are using the card for. I don't think it is the tablet that would take advantage as much as a particular app that would. If you were using apps that required fast read/write access to the card (and you were actually using the card as opposed to the internal memory) then the faster card would be best. Keep in mind that not all class 10s are the same so also make sure to look at some of the benchmarks for the different cards. I know in terms of photography and hd video captures that a higher class card really does make a difference...but that is just an example of a real use application.
Hope that made sense.
Hi,
I am a newbie . Got my first ever android (samsung galaxy Y 5360) the other day. Rooted it too . Found out my phone's got low internal storage memory. I want to increase my phone's internal memory by using link2sd (or any other better app if present) and loading apps from my microsd card. I am now trying to get a good sd card to do the needful.
What I wanted to know is which is the optimal sd card(not particular about brand) with its class number (4gb class 4, 8gb class 6, 16gb class 10, etc) that I can use so that I can get "the best performance" out of my "Galaxy Y."
I was going to go for a 16gb class 10 microsd card but upon using Google i saw in some places class 6 is better for small read writes like in the case of using link2sd app and that class 10 is better for transferring of big files (and making videos and stuff) and that there's going to be lag in class 10 cards of 16 gb and 32 gb, etc for my purpose. At some other places i saw that class 10 is always better no matter what. Or maybe i just misunderstood the whole thing.
For example for my above purpose, is an 8gb (or 16gb) class 6 card going to perform better than an 8gb(or 16gb) class 10 card
thank you
The higher the class the better the read/write speed
I had a 32gb class 10 and it worked fine - to be honest apart from transferring very large files (and fat32 doesn't support larger than 2gb file) you probably will not notice any difference
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The higher the class the better the read/write speed
I had a 32gb class 10 and it worked fine - to be honest apart from transferring very large files (and fat32 doesn't support larger than 2gb file) you probably will not notice any difference
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Thanks