Is rooting still worth it with ICS coming so soon? - Eee Pad Transformer General

I just got a used TF101 B70 that already had HC 3.2.1 and 8.6.5.21 firmware.
I know that it's still possible to root this tablet but is it even worth it with ICS coming out so soon(hopefully)?
Will I be able to unroot this tablet to get the ICS update?

you won't need to unroot for the update. just do not install any custom kernel's, ROMs,..., just stay STOCKed! ;-)
additionally you can use the rootkeeper, to (hopefully) restore root simply after upgrade to ICS. so, it would even be an advantage, if there is no root-method right after the update.
and btw, who knows, when ICS will really come round the corner...

ICS soon?
ASUS is busy with their newest products and customers and it looks like they have dropped the ASUS Transformer from their efforts. Think about it - how would it benefit ASUS to release ICS for the Transformer? Their business is to make money so they want you to buy the next generation of their product, they already got your money and to get more does not mean upgrading an older model. Where is the unlockable bootloader for the Transformer they promised? Why are they not keeping us up to date on anything happening in the Transofrmer realm? I think it is because there is no news and the Transformer is dead. They certainly do not have a unified corporate statement regarding ICS and their mixed messages on social media websites is only to keep new buyers purchasing the Transofrmer that remain in stock so they can get every last penny out of the product. I would like ASUS, as a company, on their company website, to annouce their plans and until that occurs there are no plans.

2011CorvetteZR1 said:
ICS soon?
ASUS is busy with their newest products and customers and it looks like they have dropped the ASUS Transformer from their efforts. Think about it - how would it benefit ASUS to release ICS for the Transformer? Their business is to make money so they want you to buy the next generation of their product, they already got your money and to get more does not mean upgrading an older model. Where is the unlockable bootloader for the Transformer they promised? Why are they not keeping us up to date on anything happening in the Transofrmer realm? I think it is because there is no news and the Transformer is dead. They certainly do not have a unified corporate statement regarding ICS and their mixed messages on social media websites is only to keep new buyers purchasing the Transofrmer that remain in stock so they can get every last penny out of the product. I would like ASUS, as a company, on their company website, to annouce their plans and until that occurs there are no plans.
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Disagree. There are issues with ICS on the prime which they are working to resolve. They have fixed resources. Releasing ICS for the TF101 would most likely only add to the workload. Makes sense to understand the issues with iCS and prime and fix them in the 101 version before it is released. In addition if ASUS dropped their support of the 101 they would have a tough time ever selling another tablet. Dig through the threads and see all the negative recommendations for the manufacturers that failed to update their devices in a reasonable time. These guys are in biz to make money. Alienating a customer base the size of the TF base would not make business sense.

2011CorvetteZR1 said:
ICS soon?
ASUS is busy with their newest products and customers and it looks like they have dropped the ASUS Transformer from their efforts. Think about it - how would it benefit ASUS to release ICS for the Transformer? Their business is to make money so they want you to buy the next generation of their product, they already got your money and to get more does not mean upgrading an older model. Where is the unlockable bootloader for the Transformer they promised? Why are they not keeping us up to date on anything happening in the Transofrmer realm? I think it is because there is no news and the Transformer is dead. They certainly do not have a unified corporate statement regarding ICS and their mixed messages on social media websites is only to keep new buyers purchasing the Transofrmer that remain in stock so they can get every last penny out of the product. I would like ASUS, as a company, on their company website, to annouce their plans and until that occurs there are no plans.
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-sorry to thread jack.
Coming from a person with 2011 Corvette in their name...
You want to talk about companies taking money? where is my tax dollars that were used to "revive" a company that should of sank.
-back on track.
Yes i'd recommend rooting. Even it the Transformer doesn't see an official Android 4.0, i'm sure one of our AWESOME developers will port it over, and do a darn good job of it. And if we don't see Android 4.0, or a port you can always flash a custom OS to give your Tablet that new fresh smell again and over clock it to bring back that youth it once had.

yes dude root what the hell are yo thinking... rooted users may get the damn rom first... and you never know what asus may do to lock your bootloader or whatnot.. so root now and install custom rom... then install custom ics rom... never have to worry bout rooting or locking/unlocking bootloader again... not to mention revolver is the best hc rom in the world right now..
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If you don't root before the update, you may never be able to root it. Asus has been patching many of the current root methods in their recent updates for the Prime, and you never know what they have up their sleeves. If you want to ensure you can root after the update, you may want to hold off on installing it right away to see what issues may arise, and wait for a dev to release a stock ROM + root package. That way you can safely flash it via CWM and totally circumvent any root blocks that Asus may have created for us.

I'm tempted to root but not install CWM so I can get the OTA update but my worry is I'll break some system file with root and not be able to recover since I won't have CWM installed and I have a B90 device.
If that happens, can you use the stock recovery to recover a broken system?

I have a B90...and used the apk files to root and install CWM. But...if you are patient enough to not root and wait for an OTA...then you may even be patient enough to just root and wait maybe 48 hours (after the OTA drops) at most to get a rooted ICS version...by one of the devs here.

2011CorvetteZR1 said:
ICS soon?
ASUS is busy with their newest products and customers and it looks like they have dropped the ASUS Transformer from their efforts. Think about it - how would it benefit ASUS to release ICS for the Transformer? Their business is to make money so they want you to buy the next generation of their product, they already got your money and to get more does not mean upgrading an older model. Where is the unlockable bootloader for the Transformer they promised? Why are they not keeping us up to date on anything happening in the Transofrmer realm? I think it is because there is no news and the Transformer is dead. They certainly do not have a unified corporate statement regarding ICS and their mixed messages on social media websites is only to keep new buyers purchasing the Transofrmer that remain in stock so they can get every last penny out of the product. I would like ASUS, as a company, on their company website, to annouce their plans and until that occurs there are no plans.
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Mid-Frebruary. They've said this repeatedly for weeks now. And recently posted on their own facebook about the upcoming update
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2011CorvetteZR1 said:
ICS soon?
ASUS is busy with their newest products and customers and it looks like they have dropped the ASUS Transformer from their efforts. Think about it - how would it benefit ASUS to release ICS for the Transformer? Their business is to make money so they want you to buy the next generation of their product, they already got your money and to get more does not mean upgrading an older model. Where is the unlockable bootloader for the Transformer they promised? Why are they not keeping us up to date on anything happening in the Transofrmer realm? I think it is because there is no news and the Transformer is dead. They certainly do not have a unified corporate statement regarding ICS and their mixed messages on social media websites is only to keep new buyers purchasing the Transofrmer that remain in stock so they can get every last penny out of the product. I would like ASUS, as a company, on their company website, to annouce their plans and until that occurs there are no plans.
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Disagree. They still said that prime doesn't have 3g so for who wants that there is tf101 (their words on prime presentation)...
So a point in favour for who wants an asus, wants ics and wants 3g

I was under the impression that Asus was keeping the TF101 alive as the <$400, 16 GB tablet in order to compete with the cheapest iPad.
It's similar to how Apple has kept the 3GS alive to compete with the budget Android phones.

If you have a B70 or lower, do what you want. When ICS comes out, nvflash and update. If you have a B70 or over, you may want to wait. There's no easy way to get back to stock on a B70 yet.
Why is everyone harping that ASUS will relock their boot loader when they are about to release a tool for the Prime?
( http://www.itproportal.com/2012/01/...me-bootloader-unlock-tool-available-february/ )
ASUS WILL release ICS for the transformer. It seems a lot of people got butt hurt because one PR guy on a foreign Facebook page had issues and said it would come soon, and got their hopes up.
If you think ASUS is going to disappoint 7% of the Android tablet market that they own by not rolling out this update you would be very mistaken. It may be late, but they can't afford not to push it. As stated, they would have big trouble trying to sell another tablet after that.

2011CorvetteZR1 said:
ICS soon?
ASUS is busy with their newest products and customers and it looks like they have dropped the ASUS Transformer from their efforts. Think about it - how would it benefit ASUS to release ICS for the Transformer? Their business is to make money so they want you to buy the next generation of their product, they already got your money and to get more does not mean upgrading an older model. Where is the unlockable bootloader for the Transformer they promised? Why are they not keeping us up to date on anything happening in the Transofrmer realm? I think it is because there is no news and the Transformer is dead. They certainly do not have a unified corporate statement regarding ICS and their mixed messages on social media websites is only to keep new buyers purchasing the Transofrmer that remain in stock so they can get every last penny out of the product. I would like ASUS, as a company, on their company website, to annouce their plans and until that occurs there are no plans.
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C'mon man, this ISN'T Samsung we're talking about here.
I'm confident we will get the update. They put on their website that the TF101 will be ICS-upgradeable months ago, which is the reason many people may have chosen to purchase it. Especially during the holiday season. Bad press can effect a company's profits and reputation. ASUS knows this, and will keep their promise.

Jason.. Don't be so damn naive htc said the same thing... And still using there tool it is not a full unlock.. Better root and load custom rom now if you can.... But whatever..
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They'll support it at least until the next wave of tablets, Samsung was hit hard and the other companies thrived when Sammy failed to deliver on almost all of their devices and people went crazy over it.
Now they send devices to the CM team before they are even released lol.

KingDavid63 said:
Jason.. Don't be so damn naive htc said the same thing... And still using there tool it is not a full unlock.. Better root and load custom rom now if you can.... But whatever..
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That's logic, not naivety. They've put at least hundreds of man hours, and a lot of PR into this update. Dumping it at the last second would be second rate stupid.
Look past other companies and see ASUS. You don't get to be one of the largest manufacturer's in the computer component industry by breaking promises. That's not fanboism, either, it's fact.
You should also checkout their Facebook page. Just a few hours ago they, once again, stated they were working on it, and it should be mid-Febuary. It's all good!

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3.1 out already wow!

http://hothardware.com/News/Android-Honeycomb-31-Comes-To-The-Asus-Eee-Pad-Transformer/
Wow according to this website Asus transformer has 3.1!!!!
Hopefully Acer A500 gets it soon
Looks like they got hold of a little pre-release action. At the end it says "We're told this update will be available to the public in the near future." Come on Acer!
I wouldn't hold my breath for the update, especially since it's coming from Acer.
Google provided to the OEM... and it's up to the individual (Acer) to tweak it to their device...who know how Acer is handling this ( timewise )
interestingly...on one of the picture...it show that Asus uses the same kernel as our Acer...
Kernel 2.6.36.3-00001-gf377a2b
http://hothardware.com/newsimages/item17461/big_android3.jpg
That could pose a potential with our Acer updates as the recent confusion shown with recent updates, they are getting rid of the part after the number to shorten form --->> 2.6.36.3
here we go again !!
why is everyone so quick to assume Acer won't give timely updates? The iconias only been out for a month here, and its already received one bug update, and they already stated that 3.1 is coming in june. Patience is a very important virtue. ;-)
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I wouldn't hold my breath for the update, especially since it's coming from Acer.
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I believe everything i have seen about a 3.1 update timeline is first week or 2 of June, Seems timely to me...
At least you can find the acer in stores....
lord_voldemort666 said:
why is everyone so quick to assume Acer won't give timely updates? The iconias only been out for a month here, and its already received one bug update, and they already stated that 3.1 is coming in june. Patience is a very important virtue. ;-)
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THANK YOU! I don't get how people are so nuts about updates
dr1337 said:
I wouldn't hold my breath for the update, especially since it's coming from Acer.
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hlaalu said:
THANK YOU! I don't get how people are so nuts about updates
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Entitlement issues, product envy, buyers remorse. God forbid another device get an update before the A500...it seems.
Happy with mine. Hope 3.1 does big things, but really happy with mine so far.
Yea i love my acer and they anounced it would be out first half of june, chill out.
Acer FB page says 3.1 will be available at the end of June.
I've only bought one Acer product and they've done alright by me so far. I've had it 3 weeks and already one update. That's light-years better than Samsung/T-mobile with the Galaxy phones.
soild update not a rushed one
OK this update will come when its complete and not full of bugs and fixes.from what I have heard we have less bugs then most of those tabs and better connectivity then the others.
Acer. We need a User end user recovery.one that does not make us leave out tablets stock.where. we can install and del the apps we want ina piece of hardware we paid for.
So unlock bootloader or atlest give a recovery method. That does not require me tobsend my tab in for recovery.
In afraid to install apps because of compatibility. Seinfeld im past my exchange date
Play nice Acer I know you watch this forum.
Im good at selling on ebay
the 18 month rule
Acer will give us the updates timely, the 18 month rule is there also for google to see who is good at releasing updates and keeping products up to date. If acer does not update in a timely manner. I can only assume that acer will not get early builds of new OS's. There fore shutting them out of the tablet game.
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Acer will give us the updates timely, the 18 month rule is there also for google to see who is good at releasing updates and keeping products up to date. If acer does not update in a timely manner. I can only assume that acer will not get early builds of new OS's. There fore shutting them out of the tablet game.
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Does the 18 month rule apply to ACER? They were not a listed partner of Google on the 18 month support slide.... although everyone else was.
"Great news for the lucky owners of Acer Iconia Tab A500! The update to Android 3.1 will be available at the end of June!"
Also, I'm waiting for proper mouse support still. :|
And, can we title our threads a bit better guys? You got my hopes up.
Looks like those lucky bastards with the Asus have already got a leaked build of 3.1
http://android.modaco.com/content/a...er-modaco-com/340629/3-1-update-is-available/
3.1 has been available for the Xoom before the Xformer - 3.1 is just around the corner for the A500. Acer was recently highlighted as a close partner with Google at their recent I/O Conference so future upgrades are without doubt.
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I wouldn't hold my breath for the update, especially since it's coming from Acer.
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Please, stop with disinformation. Acer just came out with this tablet and a month or so later we all just got this great update. Now 3.1 is coming. You act as if they should personally call you every day for your approval. This tablet is great and updates have come. Why complain about what they just released which really enhanced everything for this tablet? You disinformation agents get to me because you are so easy to spot. Always complaining even when the company does things right.
lord_voldemort666 said:
why is everyone so quick to assume Acer won't give timely updates? The iconias only been out for a month here, and its already received one bug update, and they already stated that 3.1 is coming in june. Patience is a very important virtue. ;-)
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It is because they mostly work for the competition. They get people to be dissatisfied with their purchase. Then you buy their products instead. Manufacturers are all over forums like these pushing one product down while promoting other products which are usually their competing products lol. Happens a lot. Ymmv here.
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Looks like those lucky bastards with the Asus have already got a leaked build of 3.1
http://android.modaco.com/content/a...er-modaco-com/340629/3-1-update-is-available/
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Stop trolling Dr. You seem to be pushing Asus in an Acer forum. Suggest you take your trolling activities there.

Android 3.2 coming!

ASUS just tweeted this:
@ASUS is testing Android 3.2 on the #EeePadTransformer now - we hope to have it released soon!
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http://twitter.com/#!/ASUS/status/91252492712677376
Great news, thanks.
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ASUS just tweeted this:
http://twitter.com/#!/ASUS/status/91252492712677376
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Dan thats fast! But i like it alot
Now, we can speculate on what "soon" means...
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Man, third update since I got mine. My Samsung vibrant had only one in a year, and it wasnt OTA either.
Soon = next week?
Great news ! i hope they release the firmware for the drain issue.
Testing means finalized.
Finalized means leaks.
Leaks means bonertime.
Yeah, we can definitely speculate on this, but they've been rather good at keeping up. If you look honestly at the 3.1 rollout, we we're only a little behind vs. the Xoom release.
Not sure this will include any major hardware-level fixes as that's really not 3.2 related (firmware vs. OS).
good news. cant wait to see whats improved.
Question: (android and tablet noob here)
So google releases the updates to its developers/companies (like samsung, motorola, asus,etc) and then they(the manufacturers) decide as to when they release it to their consumers?
im assuming because they tweak it to fit their product and might add fixes to their own hardware
Right. Or they may decide not to do anything (check out end-of-life issues on the phone side)
Hopefully, Tegra2s are good for Ice Cream Sandwich, but ASUS is not obliged to provide it for the Transformer
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Right. Or they may decide not to do anything (check out end-of-life issues on the phone side)
Hopefully, Tegra2s are good for Ice Cream Sandwich, but ASUS is not obliged to provide it for the Transformer
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I have to ask, why do you say they are not obliged? I though they had to send out updates on a timly manner for a certain amount of time? Didn't they just change some sort of contracts or something?
I believe that was only for cellphones but I could be wrong. I was just about to post this up but looks like you beat me to it, glad to see we'll be getting it soon. Can't wait to test out Prime 1.6 :-D
great news.. no surprise Xoom gets the update first since it's the so called google reference design but asus has been doing a great job..
we got the official 3.1 update nearly one month before the acer a500...let's hope asus can keep up the good work!
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I have to ask, why do you say they are not obliged? I though they had to send out updates on a timly manner for a certain amount of time? Didn't they just change some sort of contracts or something?
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While that may be the case for minor version updates, ICS will be a major version change (4.0?). No-one can expect every current device to be supported for every future Android version. Even Apple doesn't do that for the iDevices (original iPhone only goes as far as iOS 3.1.3).
At some point, like it or not, ASUS will stop bringing new versions for the Transformer. It makes no sense from a business point of view to do otherwise.
So, my point being is that, while ICS will be out before year end, ASUS may decide to focus development efforts of the Kal-El-based tablet they've already said will replace the Transformer. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if they did release ICS for us, but given the Transformer's hardware differences from stock (or the Xoom reference), especially around the keyboard, even having the full ICS source might mean a slightly reduced functionality Transformer at best.
Hopefully ASUS sees ICS as close enough time-wise to be a good reason to support it on the Transformer which, after all, will still be less than a year old.
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I believe that was only for cellphones but I could be wrong. I was just about to post this up but looks like you beat me to it, glad to see we'll be getting it soon. Can't wait to test out Prime 1.6 :-D
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I think your point about cellphones is probably right. You own them for at least the duration of the contract (almost always two years), but the device manufacturers were getting "bored" of them after six months and effectively dropping support by not providing OS updates. This had to change.
Our Transformers, on the other hand, are currently wifi only. They are more akin to a Netbook or Laptop in that respect. Microsoft is not obliged to update Windows 7 any more - they will with patches and possibly an SP2, but they are not legally bound to do either.
Equally, if ASUS did not update the Transformer again after 3.2, we would have no legal recourse. Of course, they'd have a fairly sizable number of people who are not happy, but then equally there's still lots of people running on XP so, arguably, the majority of non-tech consumers would probably not care either way as long as the device just worked.
but isnt Ice Cream the update to unite all and end fragmentation? If anything, wouldnt Ice Cream be the starting point for new android devices, and the end (support wise) for older units like xoom and asus?
So at the very least we shuold expect Ice Cream on TF (hopefully)
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I think your point about cellphones is probably right. You own them for at least the duration of the contract (almost always two years), but the device manufacturers were getting "bored" of them after six months and effectively dropping support by not providing OS updates. This had to change.
Our Transformers, on the other hand, are currently wifi only. They are more akin to a Netbook or Laptop in that respect. Microsoft is not obliged to update Windows 7 any more - they will with patches and possibly an SP2, but they are not legally bound to do either.
Equally, if ASUS did not update the Transformer again after 3.2, we would have no legal recourse. Of course, they'd have a fairly sizable number of people who are not happy, but then equally there's still lots of people running on XP so, arguably, the majority of non-tech consumers would probably not care either way as long as the device just worked.
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You are right. But I think Asus wants to make a good impression. This is their first tablet, so if they ever want to sell a new one, they better provide updates, as this will decide the 'name' the company gets. Everyone knows Samsung as a company that doesn't provide many updates. And many people were worrying about updates, and often decided to buy a HTC smartphone, because they always provided updates. (But Samsung is definitely working on it, look at the SGS II for example.)
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Not going to get my hopes up on 3.2. 3.1 on Asus was a big let down....
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Not going to get my hopes up on 3.2. 3.1 on Asus was a big let down....
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Not sure I agree with you there. 3.0 out of the box was sluggish and dissappointing. 3.1 pepped up the tablet no end.
Yes, there are issues with 3.1 too, but looking at how it fared on the Xoom (the Google reference device, no less!) and I think we've been lucky overall.
I'm hoping 3.2 will be the "Gold" edition of Honeycomb, if you will. Frankly, this is their (Google's) only chance as they've already stated there won't be a 3.3.
A thought just occured to me: Are we living through the Android equivalent of Windows Vista? Is ICS our Windows 7? 2.X certainly seems to have followed XP's history with the finally solid SP2/3 equivalents being 2.2 and 2.3! Bizarre
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but isnt Ice Cream the update to unite all and end fragmentation? If anything, wouldnt Ice Cream be the starting point for new android devices, and the end (support wise) for older units like xoom and asus?
So at the very least we shuold expect Ice Cream on TF (hopefully)
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No offence, but you seem to contradict yourself. On the one hand you're saying ICS will be the starting point for new devices and then end for the older units (including Xoom and TF) and then you say we should expect it.
I really hope we DO get it, but I'm not holding ASUS to it. As others have said, it would make PR sense for ASUS TO release ICS on the Transformer, but that's 3-4 months away at best and their plans may be elsewhere by that time.
Let's just hope for the best! (Or hope some devs deem the TF to be worthy to port ICS if it isn't supported by ASUS)

will we get ics on our xoom at the hong kong unveiling?

I reaaly hope we will be first again for honeycomb updates.
We will get it. How fast depends on model. The wifi will be the first to have it most likely with the 4g version getting 4 to 6 weeks later after Verizon gives it the OK. How long the delay between announcement and push is up to Motorola and how long they have been working with it. If past performance is any indicator then at least two other tablets will have it before we do.
I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english
anyone know how how long after the unveil the wifi version should get the update?
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anyone know how how long after the unveil the wifi version should get the update?
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Let me just consult my magic 8 ball...
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I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english
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The source code WILL be made available. Rubin said so in the past, when pointed out that HC sources were MIA, and he explained the reason for it, saying at the same time that Android sources will be again public once they reunify the 2.x and 3.x platforms into a cleaner, multi-devices software base.
Keep in mind that it's not just the OS based on the open source code that makes the tablet. Look at all those cheap Android 2.1/2.2 tablets - one of the things they often lack is access to the Android Market (in addition to using resistive screens, low performance SoCs, etc...). I suspect that you have to pay a license to Google to be allowed to bundle Google apps such as the official Android Market (someone might confirm this for me). This is where a major player like Samsung or Asus will distinguish itself from your average inexpensive Chinese-made tablet.
So, no reason at all for Google to refuse to distribute the code. Don't forget that the fact it's open-sourced is one of the main reasons behind its popularity.
So in the end, I'm fairly confident the Xoom will get ICS. If not from Morotola, then through unofficial builds from the public repository, like Cyanogen does for phones under 2.x.
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anyone know how how long after the unveil the wifi version should get the update?
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Same day brah
Motorola Xoom to be first Ice Cream Sandwich tablet? http://goo.gl/611fi Shared with APPY Geek (http://www.appy-geek.com
hopefully this rumor is true
Since the Xoom is the reference tablet...a pure Google experience device, the chances of it getting ICS sooner than later are high. Which tablets got 3.1 first? Which received 3.2 first? There's your answer.
Haven't sent my "4G" Xoom to MOTO/Verizon because I use it as WiFi only, will I have to send it in to continue on the upgrade path?
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Haven't sent my "4G" Xoom to MOTO/Verizon because I use it as WiFi only, will I have to send it in to continue on the upgrade path?
Revolting Revolution. Tapatalk.
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You might as well send it to get the upgrade. The resale value will be higher.
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>Since the Xoom is the reference tablet...a pure Google experience device, the chances of it getting ICS sooner than later are high.
The Xoom isn't an official reference device, and it isn't a refdev for ICS. My guess is that ICS update will come from your friendly custom ROM sooner than from Moto-Goog, as else the new FamilyEd Xoom will need to be updated as well, which probably won't happen any time soon given its new low-end status. Prioritizing and differentiation will mean the focus of development will be on the Xoom2 toys. That's how it has always worked.
The good news is that with ICS hitting AOS, custom ROMs will get better, sooner. In tandem with the above, there'll be more reasons for you to go offroad with ICS, if you haven't already.
>You might as well send it to get the upgrade. The resale value will be higher.
If reports are true, LTE mod will eat up more juice and reduce operating hours.
I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Loved that about apple.
iammodo said:
I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Loved that about apple.
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It has been this way for the US Xoom. Until now, Google has been the one who has pushed updates for US Xoom, so there is hope we will get ICS at some point, but i don't believe it's going to happen today. The reference SoC for ICS is TI OMAP, so it doesn't look good for our Tegra powered Xooms.
>I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Apple isn't that different. Old toys don't get the new-fangled Siri thingie.
The 2nd-gen of Android tabs (mostly OMAP4) are only marginally better than the Teg2 hardware wise. ICS will be the big selling point. Differentiation means you don't let old toys have the same functions as the new, as that defeats the purpose of selling new toys.
Speaking of new toys, I like the MotoACTV. The first wearable (and likely hackable) Android device. It would be neat if one can shoehorn a full-fledged Android distro in there. Display is tiny, probably 320x240, but good enough for niche uses. Pricing is outrageous, but it'll drop soon enough.
no release date for ics....just for the nexus on november
they did release the SDK today tho !!!! gonna play with it now
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I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english
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actually the Source Code is already on AOSP's website for developers.
pardon my ignorance but sdk is good for making roms or just to make apps for it...or just to release hacks for other platforms like 3.2.2 ,etc. i just know its good lol but dont know what good it can be.
With the Galaxy Nexus not being released until sometime in November I think we may be waiting until December for an official release. Hope the devs can pull a rabbit out of a hat.
SDK could bring us a release but hardware acceleration is unlikely until we see the official release.
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See Asus, and this is how you do it..

Intentional leaks to keep users happy without upsetting Google.
www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/22/an...nia-tab-a500-and-a100-ahead-of-april-release/
Might be something of using there for Pauls unofficial ICS rom?
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I wouldnt be so quick to put Acer in a pedestal. Not only do they NEVER address their customers, but also have locked and signed bootloaders with no intention of unlocking them. Now, I dont think Asus has been fast or great to their users, but at least they communicate, listen, and are delivering updates way faster than the rest. (Pretty much every honeycomb device is projected to get an ICS update during Q2 or later, Asus is working for a late Q1 update...)
This is ICS related.
I might be wrong, but I thought we had a place for this sort of stuff...
OH WAIT, THAT'S RIGHT! IT'S THAT VERY FIRST STICKIED THREAD CALLED, "READ THIS NOW !!!•••POST ALL ICS AND ICS RELATED INFO HERE ONLY !!!!!".
Just sayin'.
CrazyPeter said:
Intentional leaks to keep users happy without upsetting Google.
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This has never had *anything* to do with upsetting Google. Google couldn't care less if Asus releases for the TF101 tonight. They couldn't care less if they never release at all. Any Google approvals were given when the Prime build was finalized; beyond that Google isn't involved any more. Asus were just trying to make excuses, and Google made an easy scapegoat, because they won't comment.
The lack of truth to Asus' claim to be waiting for Google came when Asus themselves subsequently claimed the delay was down to their own techs being off for Chinese New Year, ie. not waiting for Google at all. Truth be told, the build has almost certainly been ready--at least, in as much as the Prime build was ready--from the same day the Prime build shipped. Asus have just chosen not to release for the TF101, likely initially because they wanted to build hype for the Prime (and "reward" Prime users for spending money more recently), and later likely because they realized a lot of Primes were being bricked, and didn't want to deal with warranty repairs for an even greater number of bricked TF101s, which are in the wild in far greater numbers.
Hence, we sit and wait until Asus fixes the TF201 problems, has sufficiently long to decide they're no longer bricking tablets, twiddles their fingers a bit, and then finally releases the TF101 build that's been available inside Asus all along.
At least, that's my (logical) guess.
CrazyPeter said:
Intentional leaks to keep users happy without upsetting Google.
www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/22/an...nia-tab-a500-and-a100-ahead-of-april-release/
Might be something of using there for Pauls unofficial ICS rom?
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What a strange post to make on the very day ICS is released for the Transformer.
psinno said:
What a strange post to make on the very day ICS is released for the Transformer.
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Yep! I bet now people will start whining about when ICS is going to be released in their region

Release Date for A500 ICS

Acer ANZ have given a release date for ICS for the A500 on their facebook fan page, and as usual for acer their promises of an april release have turned into more lies, their release date in answer to a question on their page is May 17.
Doesn't matter really, they haven't said no. There's plenty of aftermarket versions that work fine anyway.
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Acer ANZ have given a release date for ICS for the A500 on their facebook fan page, and as usual for acer their promises of an april release have turned into more lies, their release date in answer to a question on their page is May 17.
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Yes! End the lies! MAKE them release the OTA update in April. Whether it's finished or not. Whether it's full of bugs or not. Getting it soon is far more important than getting it right!
...or maybe not
Alienwithin said:
Acer ANZ have given a release date for ICS for the A500 on their facebook fan page, and as usual for acer their promises of an april release have turned into more lies, their release date in answer to a question on their page is May 17.
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The problem people have with dates is that they only look at the date and not the rest of what is said.
The Acer webpage says the date for the A500 update is TBA Mid April.
TBA means To Be Announced mid April.
Seems to me that since it is early April and not mid April, they are ahead of schedule.
But they are guilty of being late in the past.
Still, do not go by Facebook. It is not reliable for Acer announcements.
Acer ANZ is Datacom Manila, a closed group of 64.
Does not sound like an official Acer site to me.
Oh yea, here is the Acer webpage.
http://acer.custhelp.com/app/answer...sion/L3RpbWUvMTMzMjg5Njg5MC9zaWQvUThEdkJhVWs=
This will be my last Acer product until their management changes their priorities.
So far I've been deeply disappointed by the timeliness of their updates. Moto and Asus have already pushed ICS to their hardware and the Asus tabs has vastly superior hardware compared to Acer offerings.
I guess Acer is just not very attuned to their customers' needs and that's disheartening as an owner.
I second this. I listed mine on craigs list today.
panda.bear said:
This will be my last Acer product until their management changes their priorities.
So far I've been deeply disappointed by the timeliness of their updates. Moto and Asus have already pushed ICS to their hardware and the Asus tabs has vastly superior hardware compared to Acer offerings.
I guess Acer is just not very attuned to their customers' needs and that's disheartening as an owner.
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Me too I'm also fed up with Google too and their vague update cycles I mean the nexus s just got the official update last weekend.
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panda.bear said:
This will be my last Acer product until their management changes their priorities.
So far I've been deeply disappointed by the timeliness of their updates. Moto and Asus have already pushed ICS to their hardware and the Asus tabs has vastly superior hardware compared to Acer offerings.
I guess Acer is just not very attuned to their customers' needs and that's disheartening as an owner.
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Let's see, I bought my A500 in August and it was loaded with 3.0. I quickly got the update to 3.1 and fairly soon received 3.2. What do you want, 5 major OS versions in a years time? Seriously, people... relax. Even if you have to only wait 2 more weeks, you're selling your tablet? I'm calling shenanigans.
Learn patience. A good, bug-free update, especially one with this many changes, is worth the wait. And if you're THAT impatient, root the darned thing and load one of the many ICS versions that many developers have to offer.
/end rant, but not before a general facepalm
panda.bear said:
This will be my last Acer product until their management changes their priorities.
So far I've been deeply disappointed by the timeliness of their updates. Moto and Asus have already pushed ICS to their hardware and the Asus tabs has vastly superior hardware compared to Acer offerings.
I guess Acer is just not very attuned to their customers' needs and that's disheartening as an owner.
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Can we chill a little bit? 3% of android devices are on ICS. Thats it. It's not like we're the last ones waiting for an update.....
If you will be watching the frequency and the increasing quality of the ICS leaks in the Dev section, you can expect the official ics update soon. And if you don't want to wait just install one of the marvelous ics custom roms. The improvement over hc is huge! !
With best regards, maris
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Let's see, I bought my A500 in August and it was loaded with 3.0. I quickly got the update to 3.1 and fairly soon received 3.2. What do you want, 5 major OS versions in a years time? Seriously, people... relax. Even if you have to only wait 2 more weeks, you're selling your tablet? I'm calling shenanigans.
Learn patience. A good, bug-free update, especially one with this many changes, is worth the wait. And if you're THAT impatient, root the darned thing and load one of the many ICS versions that many developers have to offer.
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THIS! Have some patience, people!
Come on acer .. when are you updating me to Jelly bean.. I WANT IT NEED IT AND DEMAND IT NOW.... You know you have it ready for our A500 . who cares if google is still developing it..
Two weeks after you get ICS Official update on your tablet look back and think about what i can do now with my tablet that i could not do on honeycomb. I DO As well want official release. I SCREAMED at acer for months for a DATE.
Chill and see if they come thru. IF Not then just use your buying dollars next time pick another brand.. ASUS SAMSUNG MOTOROLA AND So on. how many have ics and when did they get it.
erica_renee said:
Come on acer .. when are you updating me to Jelly bean.. I WANT IT NEED IT AND DEMAND IT NOW.... You know you have it ready for our A500 . who cares if google is still developing it..
Two weeks after you get ICS Official update on your tablet look back and think about what i can do now with my tablet that i could not do on honeycomb. I DO As well want official release. I SCREAMED at acer for months for a DATE.
Chill and see if they come thru. IF Not then just use your buying dollars next time pick another brand.. ASUS SAMSUNG MOTOROLA AND So on. how many have ics and when did they get it.
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i honestly wouldnt go for motorola, their phones are locked down and as far as i understand the droid x2 (which is still in its 18 month update period) isnt seeing ICS so like acer they go back on their commitments as well
also, motorola promised that theyd release an unlock tool late 2011 and its april 2012 and there hasnt been anything released
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ztotherad said:
i honestly wouldnt go for motorola, their phones are locked down and as far as i understand the droid x2 (which is still in its 18 month update period) isnt seeing ICS so like acer they go back on their commitments as well
also, motorola promised that theyd release an unlock tool late 2011 and its april 2012 and there hasnt been anything released
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I totally agree. but i was just making note that there are other options. If a company sets itself apart from the others in a way they Support what customers want. Right now that company could Take many customers from the pack. People are sick of devices becoming obsolete and disposable in a year or less. And locked down tighter then FT KNOX. (i live about 10 minutes from there) I can tell its very secure.
As far as locked bootloaders, the vast majority of phone users don't even know of the possibility of modding... let alone have any desire to do it. The same goes for updates. People on sites like this represent the small minority of users. The typical tablet or phone user wakes up one day, looks at their device, sees a box saying there's an update, presses OK and goes on with their lives.
They bought their device based upon the user experience, not some vague hope that some major change will happen... sometime... soon.
Hello everybody, this is my forst post, so be comprehensive...
If someone wants an Acer ICS build there is the latest "leak 1.031" on the Developer section which is very easy to install - download the zip file, rename it to "Update.zip", put it on your extSD and reboot while holding "power" + "vol-".
I never did any mods to my A500 since I bought it, never rooted or so, but lately it was starting to freeze and force close quite a lot so I updated it manually and am very satisfied - running very smooth, web browsing is much faster (using ICS browser+) and everything seems to work perfectly! I'm just saying that it's a very simple way to get stable ICS without doing any complicated things (CWM, root, kernel mods, etc...)
Cheers!
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Hello everybody, this is my forst post, so be comprehensive...
If someone wants an Acer ICS build there is the latest "leak 1.031" on the Developer section which is very easy to install - download the zip file, rename it to "Update.zip", put it on your extSD and reboot while holding "power" + "vol-".
I never did any mods to my A500 since I bought it, never rooted or so, but lately it was starting to freeze and force close quite a lot so I updated it manually and am very satisfied - running very smooth, web browsing is much faster (using ICS browser+) and everything seems to work perfectly! I'm just saying that it's a very simple way to get stable ICS without doing any complicated things (CWM, root, kernel mods, etc...)
Cheers!
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This. A doddle even for me.
erica_renee said:
Come on acer .. when are you updating me to Jelly bean.. I WANT IT NEED IT AND DEMAND IT NOW.... You know you have it ready for our A500 . who cares if google is still developing it..
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sheik_yerbouti said:
THIS! Have some patience, people!
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While we wait, I have to wonder if the general number of us were polled as to WHY we want ICS, what the reasons would be? I'd like to have it, but honestly I don't know of any compelling reason aside from the fact that it is something new.
I'll bet once we get it not much time will pass before we are Jonesing for Jelly Bean for the same silly reason.
I'm running Thor's HC ROM on mine, and very happy with that. It runs well and everything works. What more could I realistically ask for? What's ICS supposed to bring us, anyway?
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Well ice cream will bring us something to put our jellybeans in. sheesh everyone knows you can't have jellybeans without ice cream first.
I will not scream for jelly bean if I get my ics. I will ask politely in a demanding way.
erica_renee said:
Well ice cream will bring us something to put our jellybeans in. sheesh everyone knows you can't have jellybeans without ice cream first.
I will not scream for jelly bean if I get my ics. I will ask politely in a demanding way.
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OK, as long as you're not too aggressive. ( - I couldn't resist.)

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