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You can overclock n1 only to 1.190ghz, while desire hd 1.9ghz and the htc desire Z (G2) 2.0ghz. Does N1 has to old cpu?
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if you want to OC you N1 go and OC you Desktop is the best choice
Why would you wanna over clock your phone? I have my N1 clocked @ 691 and works really fast with the MIUI rom and battery performance is better than stock. I'm not a fan of custom rom & rooting but I been pretty pleased so far. overclocking the nexus one will drain your battery like crazy plus the 1st Gen of snapdragons weren't as good with graphics as the A4chips and humming birds.
i have mine underclocked too and it works fine. try going a step further and underclocking it to like 422 when it's sleeping/standby. it'll help your battery
josemedina1983 said:
Why would you wanna over clock your phone? I have my N1 clocked @ 691 and works really fast with the MIUI rom and battery performance is better than stock. I'm not a fan of custom rom & rooting but I been pretty pleased so far. overclocking the nexus one will drain your battery like crazy plus the 1st Gen of snapdragons weren't as good with graphics as the A4chips and humming birds.
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The connection between clockspeed and power consumption is not as strong as you think. But without a doubt it has an influence. Much more important is the voltage. If you "undervolt" the Nexus One CPU you can even get better battery live with higher clockspeed.
And if you use a tool to change the clockspeed depending on the situation (display on/off, battery % left, workload) and undervolt the cpu you can safe A LOT of juice.
With Wildmonks kernel, MIUI and SetCPU I get a much better lifetime than ever before even though my Nexus runs at 1152MHz.
Actually, the frequency makes a BIG difference in power consumption. Think of it this way - each clock causes changes propagating in transistors, which are the actual power draw. More clocks = more changes = more power drawn. As easy as that.
So, having 10% higher frequency and 10% lower voltage compensates each other.
Nexus has examples that overclock to 1.5GHz when overvolted, like Desire Z and Desire HD (both of those have to be overvolted to go up stable from 1.2GHz). Most of Nexus Ones fail when overclocking and don't reach higher than 1.2GHz, but it might be not because of the CPU, but because of other devices on system board.
Generally, it is only when you change the voltage (which is required to stabilize the higher frequency) that you see noticeable differences in battery life.
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Actually, the frequency makes a BIG difference in power consumption. Think of it this way - each clock causes changes propagating in transistors, which are the actual power draw. More clocks = more changes = more power drawn. As easy as that.
So, having 10% higher frequency and 10% lower voltage compensates each other.
Nexus has examples that overclock to 1.5GHz when overvolted, like Desire Z and Desire HD (both of those have to be overvolted to go up stable from 1.2GHz). Most of Nexus Ones fail when overclocking and don't reach higher than 1.2GHz, but it might be not because of the CPU, but because of other devices on system board.
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Generally, it is only when you change the voltage (which is required to stabilize the higher frequency) that you see noticeable differences in battery life.
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Ok, some additions required.
Leakage is also dependent on power, and the dependency graph isn't linear - and starts breaking upwards at some point, usually being a tad above the max designed voltage.
Going down in voltage makes leakage change approximately linear, and doesn't affect nearly as much as going up.
Overclocking will draw power just as I noted above - exactly with the same percentage difference - only when the clock is reaching the overclocked area, which happens only when you're playing games or doing CPU-intensive tasks.
Undervolting will affect leakage, which happens 100% of the time.
So yes, when running in dynamically scaled environment, undervolting has more effect than overclocking. On desktop PC, running the same clock frequency constantly, the effect is the same.
Very True. And I wasn't saying that overclocking, while at the same voltage, didn't draw ANY more power... I just am trying to say that (for example in this graph) overclocking only has a small effect on power draw until you actually change the voltage. In that same example, going from 3.4 to 3.8 GHz only adds about 6% current draw while at the same vCore, while going up a similar amount in clock speed.
I'd even wager to say that if you're slightly under-volted and as heavily overclocked as you can go at that given voltage, you'll save some trivial amount of power versus stock because of the fact that voltage affects power draw significantly more than clock speed. I would also wager that if you are at an overclocked speed and are at stock voltage, the amount of current and power draw will be almost indistinguishable to the end user, since things like display will almost always use much more power if the display is on for any appreciable amount of time.
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Ok, some additions required.
Leakage is also dependent on power, and the dependency graph isn't linear - and starts breaking upwards at some point, usually being a tad above the max designed voltage.
Going down in voltage makes leakage change approximately linear, and doesn't affect nearly as much as going up.
Overclocking will draw power just as I noted above - exactly with the same percentage difference - only when the clock is reaching the overclocked area, which happens only when you're playing games or doing CPU-intensive tasks.
Undervolting will affect leakage, which happens 100% of the time.
So yes, when running in dynamically scaled environment, undervolting has more effect than overclocking. On desktop PC, running the same clock frequency constantly, the effect is the same.
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Actually, the frequency makes a BIG difference in power consumption. Think of it this way - each clock causes changes propagating in transistors, which are the actual power draw. More clocks = more changes = more power drawn. As easy as that.
So, having 10% higher frequency and 10% lower voltage compensates each other
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I wouldn't call 10% more peak power consumption big if you take in account that the cpu is only running at the max clock speed a very small amount of time. 90% of the time the device is sleeping anyway and even if it's not you barely need the max clock speed. But if you do you will recognize the difference.
On the other side the reduced voltaged can safe you power all the time.
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I'd even wager to say that if you're slightly under-volted and as heavily overclocked as you can go at that given voltage, you'll save some trivial amount of power versus stock because of the fact that voltage affects power draw significantly more than clock speed. I would also wager that if you are at an overclocked speed and are at stock voltage, the amount of current and power draw will be almost indistinguishable to the end user, since things like display will almost always use much more power if the display is on for any appreciable amount of time.
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That's exactly what I experienced.
Pommes_Schranke said:
I wouldn't call 10% more peak power consumption big if you take in account that the cpu is only running at the max clock speed a very small amount of time. 90% of the time the device is sleeping anyway and even if it's not you barely need the max clock speed. But if you do you will recognize the difference.
On the other side the reduced voltaged can safe you power all the time.
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Yes, you're right, and that's why I corrected myself in my second post. I totally forgot about the frequency scaling.
Off topic, but this is why I love XDA. Rational debate over a subject by intelligent people, where there usually isn't flaming. Thanks added to the two of your posts.
I haven't been able to find any info on undervolting the Xoom, so have started this thread in the hope that some may find it beneficial.
What is undervolting?
It basically involves reducing the amount of electrical voltage running through the CPU. It does not affect the speed of the CPU at all, just the amount of power that it uses. The stock configuration of CPUs usually has a fairly high voltage, to cater for the fact that CPUs are not exactly identical.
Why undervolt?
Reduce power consumption, and therefore increase battery life.
Why not undervolt?
Can affect stability, and there is a small risk of damage to your device.
Disclaimer: Undervolting, like overclocking, does have the potential to damage your device. It's very rare, but not unheard of. I've never had a problem, but you may. Good luck, and don't blame me.
My config:
Model: MZ601 Xoom
Kernel: Tiamat Xoom v2.1.0
Undervolting software: SetCPU 2.2.4
My voltages before UV:
MHz mV
216 770
312 770
456 825
608 900
760 975
816 1000
912 1050
1000 1100
1200 1150
1408 1250
1504 1325
1600 1400
1704 1400
So after doing a bit of testing, I've found that I can lower my voltages noticeably throughout the range, reducing the amount of power my Xoom uses, and prolonging my battery.
My UV voltages:
MHz mV
216 770
312 770
456 775
608 825
760 875
816 925
912 975
1000 1000
1200 1075
1408 1125
1504 1175
1600 1250
1704 1325
Notes:
It is not possible to UV any less than 770 mV (with the kernel I'm using anyway).
Given that the mV for the 456 CPU frequency is so similar to 216, I set my minimum clock frequency to 456, which makes the device more responsive.
So, you may want to try these voltages, and see how they work for you.
To test: (Instructions for SetCPU)
Set your min & max speeds to the same frequency, for example 456.
Set the voltage of the 456 frequency to an amount lower that the current amount, for example 775. (It's generally best to adjust your voltage down only 25mv at a time.)
Perform a "Stress Test", for at least about 5 seconds.
If the device locks up or reboots, the mV is too low - try a higher mV.
Once you've found the optimal voltage for that frequency, move onto the next one, for example 608, then 760, etc.
If your device locks up or freezes during testing, you can force a reboot by holding down the Volume Up button, and the Power button.
The voltages I've used above may work for you, or you may have to increase them a little on your device. You may also get better voltages than me - if so, please post your results.
Battery test results
Performed some battery performance testing by doing the following steps:
1. Set the screen to not turn off, and brightness to 10% (screen needs to be on to keep the stress test running, and brightness low to minimise the battery drain of the screen, as that's not what we're testing).
2. Disabled all network connections (WiFi, Bluetooth, Data, GPS) to minimise battery drain by other factors.
3. Closed all other apps, and did not use the Xoom at all during the tests.
4. Charged Xoom to 100%.
5. Set CPU speed to 1504mhz using SetCPU (both min & max frequencies the same for accurate testing).
6. Unplugged the Xoom.
7. Ran "Stress Test" for 2 hours (give or take 20 seconds).
I performed the above steps for both stock voltage, and undervolted voltage. Results as follows:
1. For stock voltage (1325mV on Tiamit Tachi kernel), battery life went down to 62%.
2. For undervolted voltage (1175mV, which is nice & stable for me), battery life went down to 72%.
Findings:
I was expecting battery savings, but not quite this much.
Standard voltage (at 1504mhz) at this CPU load, drains at about 19% per hour.
UV voltage at this CPU load, drains at about 14% per hour.
Standard voltage at this CPU load, the Xoom would drain battery entirely after about 5.26 hours.
UV voltage at this CPU load, the Xoom would drain battery entirely after about 7.14 hours.
In addition to the battery savings, the Xoom was only slightly warm after the UV tests, but very warm after the standard voltage tests. (Standard voltage test was performed first.)
Note: For general usage (email, browsing, basic apps & widgets), the CPU is not as heavily used. But in situations where the CPU is heavily used (such as intensive games), these results show there is significant potential for battery savings.
super nice tips. Tq very much
126-608 -175
Others -150
This is my settings... no prob at all.
Would I use setcpu app or just use the Moray(in settings) or does it matter
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Would I use setcpu app or just use the Moray(in settings) or does it matter
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Not sure what the "Moray" is, but any tool capable of undervolting should be ok. I like and use SetCPU, but I've tried other tools on other devices in the past, and they did similar things.
nobody wants to share their result after trying?
Very good job, I try
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pls share ur best result
I try your results and they're unstable in function off the useful task, exemple impossible to play simple games.
That's all right just for basic tasks like navigation, music ...
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Hmm, your stress testing seems inaccurate.
I used your values and did a stress test at each frequency for around 10 seconds. No problem. But my xoom restarted just 5 mins later while I was surfing the net.
So I increased each frequency by 25-50 and it stayed stable since then.
for me i just underclock my xoom to 912mhz. it is almost as fast as 1ghz. and i save battery alot.
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I try your results and they're unstable in function off the useful task, exemple impossible to play simple games.
That's all right just for basic tasks like navigation, music ...
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Try bumping up the voltages a little bit at a time, until you find a stable setting. The settings I listed are what are stable for my Xoom (even intensive 3D games), but CPUs vary. What I get, others may not, and others may get better than me.
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Hmm, your stress testing seems inaccurate.
I used your values and did a stress test at each frequency for around 10 seconds. No problem. But my xoom restarted just 5 mins later while I was surfing the net.
So I increased each frequency by 25-50 and it stayed stable since then.
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They're not 100%. The longer you stress test, the more likely the CPU is stable, but 10 seconds gives a general idea. If unstable, just do as you did, and increase by 25mv or so.
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126-608 -175
Others -150
This is my settings... no prob at all.
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Can you confirm your mV values? -175 sounds like a big saving. Surely your mV is not less than the minimum 770?
What kernel are you using?
do some proper tests to establish how much extra time you will get from a fully charged batt.
i would think its perhaps a tiny bit at most...
the screen would take a huge amount of the batt, the processor would use only a small percentage, so surely cutting a small fraction off a couple of steppings is fairly pointless?
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do some proper tests to establish how much extra time you will get from a fully charged batt.
i would think its perhaps a tiny bit at most...
the screen would take a huge amount of the batt, the processor would use only a small percentage, so surely cutting a small fraction off a couple of steppings is fairly pointless?
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1. It depends what you're using the device for. Games, for example, can use a lot of CPU, so undervolting in this instance, will definitely use noticeably less battery.
2. If CPU voltage throughput didn't make any difference, we'd all just run our devices at 1700mhz all the time.
3. With undervolting, I can run my Xoom at the same voltage at 456mhz, as it run at 216mhz. This means I set my minimum frequency to 456 instead, and for the same minimum battery consumption, my device is noticeably smoother.
If you want to know how much extra time you will get from a fully charged battery, YOU do some tests.
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Can you confirm your mV values? -175 sounds like a big saving. Surely your mV is not less than the minimum 770?
What kernel are you using?
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Yes i m sure. Has been using these settings till now.. no prob at all. Using tiamat stock gpu kernal with moray rom
i agree that during low intensity operation the power savings are probably nearly negligible, but during CPU-intense usage it could save a bit.
I myself am not willing to leave my Xoom on full bore for a series of tests lasting 7-10 hours each just to quantify how much power undervolting can save under super extraordinary circumstances.
But even if the energy savings is an arguable benefit, the reduction in CPU temperature is not. That alone makes this worth doing, IMO.
Agree.. after setting it my xoom now has lower temp when playing it
Caveats: Every CPU and GPU does not come from the same bin, fabricated on the same date and possibly not manufactured in the same facility. They may each display different physical properties and a wider range of stability than others. What works for me may not work for you.
That being said, I've been stress testing my device with different settings for the past couple weeks trying to find a sweet spot of stability, speed, battery life and heat output.
I'm going to share two setups: my current one that I've stress tested for less than 24hrs but has proved stable through all conditions encountered thus far and my tried and true setup I've used for over a week with no trouble.
Tried and true setup:
Governor - ondemand
Range - 100MHz through 1.6GHz
100MHz - 800mV
200MHz - 825mV
300MHz - 850mV
400MHz - 900mV
500MHz - 900mV
600MHz - 900mV
700MHz - 925mV
800MHz - 950mV
900MHz - 1000mV
1000MHz - 1025mV
1100MHz - 1100mV
1200MHz - 1125mV
1300MHz - 1150mV
1400MHz - 1175mV
1500MHz - 1250mV
1600MHz - 1350mV
Experimental but stable battery saver:
Governor - ondemand
Range - 100MHz through 1.6GHz
100MHz - 775mV
200MHz - 775mV
300MHz - 800mV
400MHz - 800mV
500MHz - 825mV
600MHz - 850mV
700MHz - 875mV
800MHz - 900mV
900MHz - 950mV
1000MHz - 1000mV
1100MHz - 1100mV
1200MHz - 1125mV
1300MHz - 1150mV
1400MHz - 1175mV
1500MHz - 1225mV
1600MHz - 1350mV
GPU setup:
Low power state - 100MHz @ 800mV
High performance state - 400MHz @ 1050mV
Notes:
Custom governors were not stable for me AT ALL! I've found ondemand to be the best one for me and my needs, personally.
100MHz @ 750mV was so, SO close to being stable for me but my phone would routinely reboot in the screen off state. I'm assuming the stress of apps updating in the background, notifications etc was just too much.
As much as I love WidgetLocker (and I really do!), I found it to consume valuable resources, have more pronounced wake up lag and generally contribute to instability.
I use Chainfire3D to run my games etc. at x4 MSAA. As previously stated by Chainfire, the Mali can run at x4 with almost no extra overhead. I imagine that if one doesn't use x4 MSAA, one *might* be able to get away with 400MHz @ the stock 1000mV setting. That being said, I consider an extra 50mV to run at 133MHz faster to be a bargain.
Many games can be run with x16 MSAA with minimal overhead but I've found that for some resource intensive ones, especially multiplayer, they'll slow down unless the GPU is fed at 1200mV but this in turn causes a lot of heat generated so I would advise to avoid turning on x16 MSAA for those that you do find slowing down.
I use and recommend Voltage Control (donate version for extra features!) for setting up clock range and voltage for both the CPU and GPU. It also allows one to set boot settings (at setup or init.d script) and create multiple profiles. I do not recommend init.d script for untested settings as it could cause you issues.
Edit: Not everyone's kernels may support GPU OC/UV or the CPU ranges listed here. I am not responsible if you bork your device.
Here's someone else's method for testing settings:
Here's how I test UV settings.
Turn on everything. Wifi, bluetooth, max brightness, the whole works. This ensures the system is at maximum strain.
Start at maximum CPU clock
Lock the CPU clock (set the minimum and maximum allowed clock to the clock you are currently undervolting)
Lower the voltage by one step
Start a benchmark for a few minutes to see if undervolted clock is stable
If it passes, lower it again go back to step 4
When it freezes up your phone, reboot it and increase the voltage at that clock by two steps and consider it safe
Move to next frequency and go back to step 3.
You reached your lowest clock? Congrats, you should have a well undervolted CPU
Your voltages should always be lowering when your go from the highest clock to the lowest. If it happens that you have to increase the voltage at a lower clock, then also increase the higher clock frequency. I had a few hard locks because of this.
Example.
1000mAh (1GHz) > 900 mAh (900MHz) *< 950 mAh (800MHz) * > 700mAh (600mAh)
The 800MHz voltage is now higher than the 900MHz voltage. Also increase the 900MHz voltage to the same or higher voltage of the lower one.
1000mAh (1GHz) > 950 mAh (900MHz) > 950 mAh (800MHz) > 700mAh (600mAh)
Now that you have it undervolted, you may find that it could hardlock/reboot on you. When it happens do this:
Increase the voltage on all undervolted clocks by one step.
Continue using the device for a day
If the device locks up again, go back to back step 1
If its ok for a day, then every day lower the voltage back to what you had of only one clock (I suggest you go from highest to lowest)
You should be able to find which undervolt caused the reboot fairly quickly and still be able to normally use the phone and keep the rest of the "optimal" undervolts.
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I don't think UV saves battery. It is display that sucks most of the juice.
You save less than 2% with extreme UV and after a single reboot caused by instability - you lose even more battery.
There's an excellent thread in Nexus S forums - "battery drain benchmarks" (please search it).
I had similar UV settings and my phone never crashed during benchmarks or stress tests.
But it always crashed while installing 100+ apps with app backup restore, restoring backups with TB or MBR, gaming.
After removing UV, it never crashed.
I haven't tested UV with ICS... would see and report if it really saves battery.
Boy124 said:
I don't think UV saves battery. It is display that sucks most of the juice.
You save less than 2% with extreme UV and after a single reboot caused by instability - you lose even more battery.
There's an excellent thread in Nexus S forums - "battery drain benchmarks" (please search it).
I had similar UV settings and my phone never crashed during benchmarks or stress tests.
But it always crashed while installing 100+ apps with app backup restore, restoring backups with TB or MBR, gaming.
After removing UV, it never crashed.
I haven't tested UV with ICS... would see and report if it really saves battery.
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I'm not sure if you've read everything through carefully or you would have seen that I've covered several of your points.
You also would have seen the method I use for stress testing and would have noted that I aim for four things: speed/performance, stability, power management AND thermal regulation.
While I agree that the display, barring a wonky or misbehaving app, will almost always be the #1 battery drainer - power management will certainly help to conserve battery life.
You also would have seen I mention profiles. There may not be a one size fits all setting for everyone but one can most certainly set up profiles for different scenarios.. Such as TiB backups/restores.
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Did you do some benchmarks at the highest speed several times to make sure you are getting extra performance? With this phone I noticed that while the phone wont crash.. .some times performance will drop when running at settings now fully correct.
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You covered a lot of points but UV is total waste of time.
You get nothing out of it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1478406
Could you please post your data, how much battery do you save after UV?
Disagree boy, cause with wakelock screen is off, there is significant battery drain, I went to 10 hours life on single charge, due to wakelock.
Normally with deepsleep about 2 days. That's a reduction of 87.5% with screen off. Cpu running @200mhz.
Do the same with undervolting will dramatically increase battery life in that situation. So overal it will be a fraction compared to using the device with screen on, but still significant.
Edit: guess I was wrong here
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Disagree boy, cause with wakelock screen is off, there is significant battery drain, I went to 10 hours life on single charge, due to wakelock.
Normally with deepsleep about 2 days. That's a reduction of 87.5% with screen off. Cpu running @200mhz.
Do the same with undervolting will dramatically increase battery life in that situation. So overal it will be a fraction compared to using the device with screen on, but still significant.
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I actually did the test on Gingerbread.
I set min and max to 200 MHz, activated flight mode and had stock music player running for 3 hours - with undervolt and without undervolt.
To my surprise battery consumption was the same.
May be experts who know about our processor architecture can shed some light here.
Boy124 said:
You covered a lot of points but UV is total waste of time.
You get nothing out of it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1478406
Could you please post your data, how much battery do you save after UV?
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I understand where you're coming from, boy.
I don't have data at the moment though I wish I did. But to be honest, it'd be scrambled anyway since whenever I'm not working or mission critical when I need proven stability, I'm testing out all different sorts of settings leading to lots and LOTS of reboots and such!
That being said, anecdotally, I have seen improved battery life for myself but maybe it's a placebo and I could be wrong about it - I have been before in the past. I do feel though that under my normal usage scenarios, I am experiencing less battery drain. It's difficult to quantify though exactly what this is due to since I experiment with kernels, voltages and frequencies.
But if all I'm getting is a 2% boost, man - I'll take it! Like any modder, whether it's min/maxing in a game, working on a car or whatever else, every little bit of a parameter squeezed out is something.
I also feel that you're too caught up on a single aspect, the battery life thing, to the detriment of my overarching holistic goal - efficiency.
Originally I started undervolting and experimenting with frequencies because of thermal output. I had wanted to experiment with x16 MSAA settings, which led to my GPU needing 400MHz and 1200mV which led to lots of heating up which led to me experimenting with everything I could.
Efficiency is what I want. The best performance at the best speeds at the best battery life at the best thermal regulation I can manage.
Now I'm looking at energy efficiency. I'm seeing suggestions that 100MHz may not be as efficient as 200MHz on our Exynos because the tradeoff in frequency power usage isn't worth the longer time spent completing tasks. I'm also seeing that in some situations, a performance best governor targeting max freq may be efficient because less time is spent completing a task and a quicker return to sleep.
I'm just sharing what I'm doing and hopefully others can benefit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1369817
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Wow, thats illogical makes me wonder the math behind it.
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While I appreciate the effort thrown into this, I humbly acknowledge the conclusion is incorrect.
When you lower Voltage slightly, without affecting stability, you pretty much put a toll on the processor for extra "wear and tear" and reduce its lifespan. However, this comes at the reward of reduced current.
So, it should be saving you battery. Underclocking it (safely) is also going to save you battery. And the same thing with different governors, like interactivX compared to regular ondemand, by finishing off processes quicker and reducing the frequency and voltage quicker, and going into Deep Sleep quicker.
I don't have the means to run a Scientific Experiment to prove these claims, nor the time to conduct them. But the majority of "hackers" synonymously agree it saves a noticeable power. These include themers, kernel developers and the casual user. I don't think an educated MAJORITY can be incorrect to the scale of this test's claims.
I jus t wondering does undervolt really affect our battery life? How does it work?
When choose to undervolt it affect on performance, isn't it? Slower or stuttering when switch apps? With less energy less performance, does it wrong?
If it is, then how underbolt can improve peeformance better? :confuse
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Judging from my experience UV experimentation doesn't affect battery life, and if it does it's definitely by an inappreciable margin. It does substantially reduce heating issues though especially during high-intensity usage (Spotify, GNow, gaming etc). Just don't overdo it or you wind up rebooting repeatedly--"safe" threshold varies by kernel
It also has no effect on performance, it's completely separate from clock speed.
I UV to lower temperature The N4 is very heat sensitive so you'd be wise to UV if possible, the throttle can kick in very quickly on stock, because of the default CPU behavior(mpdecision+ondemand seem to ramp in a ridiculous manner). I am seeing temps in the mid-low 30s thanks to UV and I'm running turbo mode on Faux's kernel.
Hello!
I heard about the term "UnderVolting" and I heard it would give me better battery life.
I want to do it but I have few questions before.
1. Is undervolting affects the CPU , GPU or Battery?
2. Can It damage the device?
3. Can it decrease the device performance?
Thanks!
Wassupdog said:
Hello!
I heard about the term "UnderVolting" and I heard it would give me better battery life.
I want to do it but I have few questions before.
1. Is undervolting affects the CPU , GPU or Battery?
2. Can It damage the device?
3. Can it decrease the device performance?
Thanks!
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1. It effects the cpu. When you undervolt you are reducing the amount of power that is supplied to the cpu depending on what speed the cpu is running at.
2. It is unlikely to damage the device physically but if you undervolt too far the cpu can start failing actions resulting in corruption, but the most common symptom is that it will reboot itself if you go too low.
3. Undervolting can reduce performance but going down -100 mv across the board is usually stable for most.
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1. It effects the cpu. When you undervolt you are reducing the amount of power that is supplied to the cpu depending on what speed the cpu is running at.
2. It is unlikely to damage the device physically but if you undervolt too far the cpu can start failing actions resulting in corruption, but the most common symptom is that it will reboot itself if you go too low.
3. Undervolting can reduce performance but going down -100 mv across the board is usually stable for most.
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Thanks!
Is it recommended to undervolt?
I just want a better battery and around the same performance as it now.
You are confusing undervolt with underclock. UC is a proven way to increase battery, but it directly makes the CPU run slower. UV will make the CPU/GPU/RAM receive less milivolts, and it will only increase battery, and not decrease performance. The thing with UV is that if the CPU at any given time does not get enough power, it can't perform a given task, and your phone will reboot.
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In a nutshell UV will not destroy your phone and is it recommended? If you are in xda then you know the risks or at least should read up on the risks. I would say 90% of the custom kernels are undervolted out the box and yes its a great help. I have been UV, UC and sometimes even OC for years now with no negative effects. Give it a shot and if you are worried start slow like -25.
Try mathkids kernel(JSS roms only) which is undervolted -100 and if you read the thread its never been an issue for anyone. I have heard that UV may cause some issues with Maps locking fast
Dr.Molestratus said:
You are confusing undervolt with underclock. UC is a proven way to increase battery, but it directly makes the CPU run slower. UV will make the CPU/GPU/RAM receive less milivolts, and it will only increase battery, and not decrease performance. The thing with UV is that if the CPU at any given time does not get enough power, it can't perform a given task, and your phone will reboot.
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I'm not Confusing undervolt with underclock.
Undervolting can and does reduce performance if you go too far. (Not far enough to cause reboots)
Underclocking is not a proven way to increase battery, in fact it's quite controversial.
It's called race to idle.
Pretty much all processors have great power savings at idle speeds.
By lowering the clock speed common tasks and background processes take longer to perform. Thus keeping the cpu at a higher clock rate (using more mv) for longer and overall using more battery than what it would have done at a higher speed.
From my own tests -150 mv undervolt resulted in slower and sometimes even laggy performance. -100 is great
Underclocking to 1ghz shortened my average daily battery life by nearly 2 hrs compared to running at stock 1.5
Say what you like about stats but these are the results I found from actual usage
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UV will reduce how hot your phone gets.. and if your phone gets too hot thermal throttling will reduce the cpu speed.. and thus if u UV it will reduce thermal throttling and will increase performance..
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