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Weird USB issue

I've been tethering my phone with PDAnet and just recently it has started to act up. The only way my computer will recognize and sync with my phone is if I put a little downward pressure on the usb cable (phone side). Then, if it gets jostled to much it'll disconnect and say "USB device not recognized" when I try to plug it in again. It will start working if I put my computer into stand-by or shutdown. But only once. What is going on?

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I've been tethering my phone with PDAnet and just recently it has started to act up. The only way my computer will recognize and sync with my phone is if I put a little downward pressure on the usb cable (phone side). Then, if it gets jostled to much it'll disconnect and say "USB device not recognized" when I try to plug it in again. It will start working if I put my computer into stand-by or shutdown. But only once. What is going on?
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Your USB port is flaking out. I have had it happen to 2 titans. They start as you describe and then get worse and worse until the port stops working completely. Then you take it back and get the insurance replacement (hint hint...if you do not have insurance on your handset this would be a good time to get it). When I complained to the guy at the alltel store the second time he said that it was common enough that he might even say inevitable.
Personally I think it is a poor design because the mini usb port on the titan (and the apache) are not really supported very well by the plastic housing. They fixed this with the touch pro (have not seen a diamond yet) so I am guessing it was a pretty widespread problem.
Not the answer you want I am sure, but the above has been my experience. If you need to drag it out (i.e make it last a little longer so the insurance you just added is not immediately and suspiciously followed by a new claim) you can always sync/tether using bluetooth instead. It is a little slower (1 mb) but not too terrible.
Why are you using PDA.net? Windows internet sharing works very well and is built in (free).

I use PDAnet because my provider would frown upon traditional method of Internet Connection Sharing. However, I appreciate you sharing your experience about the Titan with me. I love the phone, but maybe it is time to put her out to pasture.

[Q] Of TF101 and Possums

I have a TF101 that's seemingly dead after being dropped. Currently, it does not power on. When plugged in with the ac charger, it shows no sign of charging, i.e., no light of any kind - amber, green or otherwise. I assume the mainboard has gone south.
When I connect it to my laptop, however, Windows 7 gives a chime and recognizes it as an MTP device, and even lists it as a TF101 in device manager. Linux also acknowledges that much. I can pretty much browse and access the content of the internal SD card like an external HD. Holding the power button long enough will unmount the device in either OS, which suggests that the device has turned itself off, and thus still responding to physical commands, or functioning on some level.
So it appears dead but not really. Being totally unfamiliar with this model, I'm not sure what possibilities the current state of affairs might indicate insofar as the device's vitality. Any input as to what this means is greatly appreciated.
If is it determined that the mainboard is done for, can anyone point me to a source for a replacement? If this kind of info solicitation is proscribed by regulation, my apology. Thank you.

My guess is, if the board was dead, you wouldn't be able to mount the device at all. It would suggest that it's actually alive and well, but the graphic/monitor part is dead, so you have no display at all. Mine also shows no signs of life (assuming I don't check the display) while it's charging and not on the dock. Only the dock has charging status lights as far as I can tell.
Sadly I can't help you further than that. I know they sell replacement parts on ebay and such, but I never even opened mine up, so I have no idea how easy it would be to replace any part. I know there's repair videos on youtube for the tf101, it might give you a clue if you open it up and run some tests.
Also check this out.

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My guess is, if the board was dead, you wouldn't be able to mount the device at all. It would suggest that it's actually alive and well, but the graphic/monitor part is dead, so you have no display at all. Mine also shows no signs of life (assuming I don't check the display) while it's charging and not on the dock. Only the dock has charging status lights as far as I can tell.
Sadly I can't help you further than that. I know they sell replacement parts on ebay and such, but I never even opened mine up, so I have no idea how easy it would be to replace any part. I know there's repair videos on youtube for the tf101, it might give you a clue if you open it up and run some tests.
Also check this out.
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On second thought, I'm not too keen on replacing the MB just yet. Cracking the thing open is no big deal. I am dexterous enough. However, I am more intrigued by what is possibly going on.
If you guessed right, and transferring PC knowledge to this, the board would have a video chip integrated, with the other part consisting of an inverter and the LCD. If the integrated video circuit is dead, then connecting the device via HDMI to a TV would show nothing. If the device shows up, for instance, it's just the display part from the inverter on and so forth.
But I'm hesitant to go down that route. If it's the video part, then I should be able to do everything else like putting it in APX Mode, or flashing as with a normal device. Unfortunately, my computer never registered such activities; the tablet does not respond beyond the symptoms I described above.
As a matter of fact, I'd entertain any mad proposal on what should be tried on the thing at this point, just for the fun of it. I stand to lose little. So you can use your imagination and shoot some crazy ideas my way, and we'll see what.

So you tried with HDMI and it didn't work? You're right about APX though unless you're missing the drivers.. so maybe there really is some damage to the board. Sadly I don't have any crazy/mad suggestions at this point

My normal approach to possums (and the only legal thing I can do with them once captured) is to kill them or get someone else to kill them for me. :good:
As for your TF101, I seem to remember reading on another forum that when these devices are dropped and show the symptoms you describe, it can be caused by a ribbon cable that connects the display to the motherboard being jolted loose. It might be worth opening it up and check both ends of the appropriate cable for secure fit.

Mike_NZ said:
My normal approach to possums (and the only legal thing I can do with them once captured) is to kill them or get someone else to kill them for me. :good:
As for your TF101, I seem to remember reading on another forum that when these devices are dropped and show the symptoms you describe, it can be caused by a ribbon cable that connects the display to the motherboard being jolted loose. It might be worth opening it up and check both ends of the appropriate cable for secure fit.
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Hey I totally agree that killing it may be the only option right now. And I don't mind that, just that I'd prefer the scalpel to the cleaver, and doing it in such a way that I would learn something about it that may be of benefit to me and incidentally, to others. I did open the thing, and you're again right, people have run into this problem of the LCD cable being jarred loose on impact from Asia to the Western Hemisphere to Eastern Europe. But it's not that, as I did unseat and reseat the cable on both ends, for naught.
As to the APX drivers, I did try both Easy Flasher and PERI 0.4. They act as if they finish the job. However, the tablet remains consistently inert. Lethe6, am I missing something here? How do you tell if the APX drivers are missing? Normally Windows would show the USB device as in APX mode right? Mine did not do that. When I tried to update the driver in Device Manager, Windows refused to do it claiming it was not necessary. Is there a way to force-install the drivers just to see?
Oh well, I'd just let the issue hang at this point and see what else comes this way.

Yeah if you connect your device in APX mode it should pop up in the device manager, just right-click uninstall then re-install the drivers. I don't remember what's the exact device name but iirc it's something generic. Sorry I can't check I'm on a Mac at work and my TF101 is at home.
What about HDMI? Did you ever get a signal through there? Tried having it connected when assuming to do a full boot?

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Yeah if you connect your device in APX mode it should pop up in the device manager, just right-click uninstall then re-install the drivers. I don't remember what's the exact device name but iirc it's something generic. Sorry I can't check I'm on a Mac at work and my TF101 is at home.
What about HDMI? Did you ever get a signal through there? Tried having it connected when assuming to do a full boot?
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I never had the chance to try the HDMI output. Still waiting for the adapter to arrive. Ebay can be a pain during holiday season. But I'd sure to report the result. When I plugged the thing in, Win recognized it as an MTP device and proceeded to install drivers automatically. After which it showed in Device Manager as TF-101. So apparently the drivers are correct, though they dated back to 2006!!?? However, with other devices like the Acer A500, the USB device symbol normally would appear at the right bottom bar with the designation "APX device." With this thing, nothing - not even the icon. What's your thought on this?

I don't have any other devices that I can boot into APX (HTC won't tell anyone and my other tablet is a craplet, have to ADB on the live FS, which is awesome lol) so I can't compare here, but have you tried these drivers for APX? It's been a while but I seem to remember needing special drivers for APX. The device had a weird name.. like a bunch of numbers and letters... haven't used it since easyflasher though.
When I plug it in APX the device is called "NVIDIA USB Boot-recovery driver for mobile devices" and it's dated 1/31/2011.
When I plug it in Rogue Recovery the device is called "Asus Android MTP Device" dated 7/17/2012.
When I plug it in booted to 4.0.3 the device is called "Transformer TF101" dated 7/17/2012.
So I'm guessing yours never enters APX or has the wrong drivers? Maybe try installing the ASUS Sync software? Not sure but it may bring newer drivers...
I assume you're doing all this undocked as well?

Constantly Updating List of Wanted Features

An updating list to help give the Mad Catz guys an idea of what we want out of the OS. Please anyone post the features that you want and I'll update the list.
Read off of multiple USB flash/HDs ▬ currently recognizes multiple disk drives but does show mounted
Read and write support for NTFS file format
exFat Support
Webcam support(UVC)
USB audio input/output channel option
hide soft button bar on soft button bar or otherwise easily accesable
power off/restart/sleep menu button on soft button bar or otherwise easily accesable
screenshot button on soft button bar or otherwise easily accesable
HDCP Kernel
USB power management tool - for shutting down power to usb plugs while device is in sleep mode
Gamestreaming ▬ Its coming
Gamepad stick support in recent apps android view
system settings switch to change right click on mouse to back button instead of just being read as left click

Good thread, happy with the product, but still room for improvements!
Please, add webcam support(UVC) !
http://support.madcatz.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/434/172/can-i-use-a-webcam-with-mojo
You can't clam to be a top-set box with out it!
Also exFat support would be nice
It's the standard for USB portable drives.
While I agree with this:
http://support.madcatz.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/427/172/how-to-turn-mojo-off
It's a portable device, so yes, please let us turn it off
Hardware wise:
The controller's gamepad/mouse switch.. it should be a raised tab rather then an indedent at the very least, I don't have the nails to use comfortably, it should be switchable with your thumb not your nail.
Also the screws on the controller aren't your standard phillips (+) screws, nor allen keys.
I like to open my controllers with a Precision Screwdriver set and clean the contact points, I know of others that do also.
For an "open" hardware device, this is the only sore point for me.
Lastly, most TV's now have a USB port.. the power specs to me looks like it could run off USB power:
http://support.madcatz.com/Knowledg.../172/what-is-mojos-range-of-power-consumption
Like android phones, use a USB cable with a USB adapter.. I have too many bricks in my power adapter
Having the DC in and the headphone jack next to each other is a pain, I have make sure I'm not putting DC in the headphone jack.
Having the MicroSD card under the HDMI makes hot swapping next to impossible, very hard to get to with the plastic molding so close.

MC some more feedback,
The android UI works okay in gamesmart mode, but there's just one thing that's frustrating me.
When holding down the mojo button to get to the listing of the running apps, the CTRLR in gamesmart mode can't traverse nor select an app.
If this could be fixed, then changing from game/mouse mode wouldn't be needed at all while using the andriod desktop/UI :good:
Cheers

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[*]hide soft button bar on soft button bar or otherwise easily accessible
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I really second this point, it is so annoying to have those buttons when watching a film with xmbc. In games a bit less, but still it sucks.
Also, most people are probably going to plug in a keyboard, at least from time to time, but it would be nice to have a gamepad-friendly virtual keyboard, like the one of SteamOS. I.e. search "SteamOS Controller Input" as I cannot post links

HDCP + kernel
I wasn't expecting HDMI HDCP, but I guess it makes sense.
It's a pain when trying to capture HD gameplay, but I guess that wont change.
oh And while I'm here, it would be really really really .. really cool and open of mad catz to one day realese the kernel source of the mojo (or just the config settings) so we can compile our own hardware support
I know the shield had their kernel on github, not sure what happened to it tho, great idea too!

Kernel would be great so we can compile in CIFS support to mount network shares in the OS!

Huh I thought releasing the kernal source sounded pretty wild but after seeing stuff like Motorola releasing the Moto G kit kat kernel this seems like something that Mad Catz should totally do.

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Huh I thought releasing the kernal source sounded pretty wild but after seeing stuff like Motorola releasing the Moto G kit kat kernel this seems like something that Mad Catz should totally do.
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If I'm not wrong, they MUST release the kernel source code. It is just a Linux kernel with the android patches and maybe some custom modification. Because of the Linux license (GPL v2) any of us can ask for the code and the vendor must provide it at no additional cost.
HOWEVER, if the bootloader is not unlocked and/or you do not have root access then you cannot do anything with useful the sources: you can recompile the kernel, you can compile all the modules you want, BUT you cannot load the new kernel into the Mojo and you cannot insert the new modules into the kernel.
Nowadays many hardware vendors publish a semi-official way to have root access or to unlock the bootloader. Let's hope that the "hacking friendly" promise that Mad Catz put forward is not just a dishonest selling point.

Controller Keyboard input Method
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add root access inside rom
add usb slave mode for adb

dheku-00 said:
An updating list to help give the Mad Catz guys an idea of what we want out of the OS. Please anyone post the features that you want and I'll update the list.
Read off of multiple USB flash/HDs ▬ currently recognizes multiple disk drives but does show mounted
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I have a usb hub plugged into my 2.0 port with two usb drives attached. Both show as mounted in the settings (along with my SD card). Although I can read off of my usb drive via file explorer, I can't read off the drives with emu apps such as nes.emu and fpse etc. So I just use my usb drives for storage copy files to the sd when needed.

As a hard drive junkie, I'm gonna throw in a feature I'd like to see: Cut the power to USB when the unit goes into sleep mode if an external drive or thumb drive is detected. My tablet does this, and I'm able to disengage my hard drive without worry of data corruption...
Unfortunately on the MOJO my drive constantly runs (even after I unmount it)...Is there a way to cut off power when ejecting/unmounting a drive? Cut power when the system goes to sleep? Both of those are kind of important.

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I have a usb hub plugged into my 2.0 port with two usb drives attached. Both show as mounted in the settings (along with my SD card). Although I can read off of my usb drive via file explorer, I can't read off the drives with emu apps such as nes.emu and fpse etc. So I just use my usb drives for storage copy files to the sd when needed.
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When you say show up as mounted in the settings what do you mean? I have a usb hub and have 2 hds plugged in but since when a disk drive gets mounted and it's 'home directory' is mnt>usbdrive. Whatever disk drive was plugged in first gets to be in this folder and the 2nd plugged in drive while recognized has no home directory.Thats why other apps can't recognize multiple disk drives only one usb drive. What I want is a mnt>usbdrive>usb1, usb 2, etc directory setup.

What is the likelihood that in a future update (if it happens) that they will include an option to HIDE the soft button bar.
This is a deal-breaker for me. I like my movie-watching experience and game playing experience to be immersive. Having a menubar there ALL THE TIME might as well be a form of adware as far as I'm concerned.
What's the point of a micro game console experience if it always looks like YOUR SMART PHONE is streaming to TV because the menubar is there to remind you? How stupid can they be?? Did they just release this a proof of concept? To say, "Hey, look what we did! Screw the customer experience..."
Please tell me "not to worry" or a "future custom rom" or "mod" will be "released soon to address."
If not, I'm returning this hunk of junk when it arrives.

I'll have ur lady junk!
wow
I'll give you $150USD plus postage if it's unopened

Pleiades7 said:
What is the likelihood that in a future update (if it happens) that they will include an option to HIDE the soft button bar.
This is a deal-breaker for me. I like my movie-watching experience and game playing experience to be immersive. Having a menubar there ALL THE TIME might as well be a form of adware as far as I'm concerned.
What's the point of a micro game console experience if it always looks like YOUR SMART PHONE is streaming to TV because the menubar is there to remind you? How stupid can they be?? Did they just release this a proof of concept? To say, "Hey, look what we did! Screw the customer experience..."
Please tell me "not to worry" or a "future custom rom" or "mod" will be "released soon to address."
If not, I'm returning this hunk of junk when it arrives.
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FYI: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49792211&postcount=7

Pleiades7 said:
What is the likelihood that in a future update (if it happens) that they will include an option to HIDE the soft button bar.
This is a deal-breaker for me. I like my movie-watching experience and game playing experience to be immersive. Having a menubar there ALL THE TIME might as well be a form of adware as far as I'm concerned.
What's the point of a micro game console experience if it always looks like YOUR SMART PHONE is streaming to TV because the menubar is there to remind you? How stupid can they be?? Did they just release this a proof of concept? To say, "Hey, look what we did! Screw the customer experience..."
Please tell me "not to worry" or a "future custom rom" or "mod" will be "released soon to address."
If not, I'm returning this hunk of junk when it arrives.
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What's funny is I got in on a pretty could deal on it. On clearance for $160, free postage ;-p. There was only two but what surprised me (and made me cautious) is how does something go on clearance after only be out such a short time? There was only 2 left and I got in on the last one.
We'll have to see. Might actually think about that offer if I can break even. But if that work around works for me, then at least I fixed the deal-breaker for me. Hopefully the MOJO devs are listening and will fix ALL of this in their supposed update. My fear is will that update happen at all.....hopefully there is enough of a homebrew/mod community out there to at least squeeze out one custom rom that will give the users the experience they deserve. My 2 cents.

Please add this issue to the list!
from: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49512727&postcount=4
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Mad Catz Nate said:
Bonus tip: Press and hold Home button for 1 sec brings up the Recent Apps screen.
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:good: It's a great feature, I use it a lot, even in gamesmart mode it works!
Shame you have to switch to mouse mode to select an app.. is there any chance of better navigating the android UI in gamesmart mode in the new Android 4.4?
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This is what I'm saying, you switch out to desktop, then go to tasks but can't pick an app in game mode.
You have to switch back to mouse mode, pick the game and switch back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0PvKq1CcMo&t=21m0s
If there's one issue kitkat fixes, I really hope it's this one:good:

NuVision - TMAX ( TM800W560L / TM800W610L ) Information

I wanted to start a thread to solve some minor headaches regarding NuVision tablets. Specifically the TM800W560L, but may include others.
The manufacture is TMAX, and the brand is NuVision. Some of you have these. I picked up the 560 at the Microsoft store, a couple of days before Christmas, 2016. I ghosted the factory image as backup, and wiped clean to start from scratch, using Windows 10 Pro.
Let's say my hack started at the Microsoft Store, social engineering a sale of $25 for the unit. Yes you can get these for free, if you were buying a Windows Surface, but why would you want this if you have a Surface? It's such a terrible device to support for the sod who got one...
This unit is the most similar to the HP Stream 7, MSRP $79. I have a couple of these as well. I a bit miffed that, although the CPU is 64-bit, we can only use 32-bit Windows. This produces some problems as only 64-bit drivers are readily supported via Windows Update. I have made use of some of these drivers for the 560 to solve some problems.
Lets get down to the issues at hand:
1. The Camera drivers.
OV2680 ( OVTi2680 Ven_OVTi&Dev_2680 )
OV5648 ( INT5648 Ven_INT&Dev_5648 )
Problem: For every Windows Feature Upgrade, the drivers are wiped out and replaced with some non-functional version. Frankly, I don't think I have been able to get the cameras to work at all. At least, not by using the Windows 10 Camera App. I pulled a litany of drivers from various sources and I can get them to at least seem okay, as far as the device manager is concerned, but not much beyond that.
2. Intel Chip Set drivers.
Problem: Much like the camera drivers, for every Windows Feature Upgrade, the chipset drivers are updated as well, but then the supplied drivers are non-functional. This results in the lost of touch and gravity sensors, among other functions. This requires the use of a USB OTG adaptor, (Yes you can have USB and power at the same time!) and reinstallation of the original chipset drivers.
All in all I get the sense this is abandoned technology, and I feel that no-one particularly cares. In addition, I am a little bored with this thing, and I would like to see if I can make it better.
If anyone has questions or advice, I am open minded, but it should be sincere.
Thanks,

I picked the TM800W610L. I will see if the camera drivers and chipset drivers from this model will work for the 560. However NuVision has reduced their driver set to bare bones. In some respects this is admirable, but in my case, it leaves little hope that there's any 32bit support.
For the uninitiated, the 560, although has a 64bit CPU, the BIOS only boots 32bit Windows. This is the same situation on the same CPU, for the HP Stream 7, which I am also leveraging for support.

I have been able to dig around a little bit, regarding the BIOS firmware, for both models. Geekbench is a nice repository of data, for a shallow dive.
This is what I have, for known BIOS revisions:
I have the installer for version H, supporting the 610.
I can backup version R, installed on my 560.
If anyone is interested in an "update" from an older version, it would be interesting to get a backup of what you currently have in exchange for an update.
TMAX TM800W610L
JK-BI-8-HLK80CR100-C34A-101-F-LCD3 08/01/2016
JK-BI-8-HLK80CR100-C34A-101-H-LCD2 ‎03/02/‎2017
TMAX TM800W560L
JK-8-BI-PX5S10TCR100-X534A-001-G
JK-8-BI-PX5S10TCR100-X534A-001-H
JK-8-BI-PX5S10TCR100-X534A-001-L
JK-8-BI-PX5S10TCR100-X534A-001-O
JK-8-BI-PX5S10TCR100-X534A-001-P
JK-8-BI-PX5S10TCR100-X534A-001-Q
JK-8-BI-PX5S10TCR100-X534A-001-R 08/25/2016
JK-8-BI-PX5S10TCR100-X534A-001-T

I just picked one of these up myself (the TM800W560L) and am working on getting it upgraded to Pro (and put on the Insider preview program, because I like my devices consistent) at the moment. I was a little sad to see that these machines have 32-bit UEFI effectively making the 64-bit enhancements useless and limiting software support to 32-bit only (that immediately threw out my plans for using WSL/Ubuntu on the thing since Windows Subsystem for Linux is a 64-bit only feature), but after a couple hours with this tablet, I'm really enjoying it. It took about 4 hours to install the latest batch of updates, but unlike your own experiences, all my drivers still worked after the upgrade from 1511 to 1709 (Build 16299).
I did see some very negative reviews for the product on Amazon, mostly about customer support, so I knew what I was getting into when I ordered it.
EDIT: My gripes about the device were apparently for a defective device. Got a new one after the note below caused a brick and have had a much better time with it.
Important! For my first real contribution to this thread, I wanted to give a warning, don't mess with the BIOS options if you can help it on these devices. I simply changed the "Boot to State when Power is resumed" from G0 to S5 and the tablet no longer powers on. It's charging, but nothing is happening from the buttons. So I guess it's to the exchange with this one.. Learned for the next one though :/ [Update: Turns out that it caused an actual brick, lesson learned, don't mess with the Power Management firmware settings! There's no good way back from a brick caused by UEFI firmware settings, you apparently have to reflash the BIOS using an SPI programmer to fix those. These manufacturers really should be designing their firmware better (and not using 64-bit firmware on a 64-bit processor, shame on them for that travesty!)]
Edit 2: I ran into an actual issue that I can reproduce pretty frequently. With the native Windows auto-rotation on, going from Landscape to Portrait (or vice-versa) leaves the touchscreen in this weird state where it's still looking for touch input from the previous orientation. Not sure if this is a Windows 10 version 1709 build 17043+ bug, but it appears to be, as the issue does not happen if I turn rotation lock on and manually change orientation. It's an interesting issue to say the least. [It appears after browsing the feedback hub that this is indeed a Windows 10 Insider bug, if you are affected by this, turn off auto-rotation and then manually rotate the screen using Settings, the touch input works as expected then.]

Hi, thanks for the great info! I'm trying to start a little robot makerspace and wanted to mount these little cheap tablets on mobile robots. The only issue appears to be not being able to use USB devices while supplying external power to the device. It sounded like you mentioned this is somehow possible, could you elaborate on that?
Thanks!
Jesse

ShadowEO said:
Edit 2: I ran into an actual issue that I can reproduce pretty frequently. With the native Windows auto-rotation on, going from Landscape to Portrait (or vice-versa) leaves the touchscreen in this weird state where it's still looking for touch input from the previous orientation. Not sure if this is a Windows 10 version 1709 build 17043+ bug, but it appears to be, as the issue does not happen if I turn rotation lock on and manually change orientation. It's an interesting issue to say the least. [It appears after browsing the feedback hub that this is indeed a Windows 10 Insider bug, if you are affected by this, turn off auto-rotation and then manually rotate the screen using Settings, the touch input works as expected then.]
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I can confirm the strange rotation behavior, on the 610L. I got out of it by hooking up an OTG cable, keyboard and mouse.
Boot up and log in, rotate to landscape and reboot, not messing with the touch screen. After the reboot, the touch screen worked in landscape, and seems to be in sync again.
I installed 17083, that was a chore, and all seems well. However I am getting app crashes, which I think is an OS issue. (currency ran sfc /scannow - no probs. And dism /online /cleanup-image /startcomponentcleanup /resetbase) Next is to run chkdsk and reboot... I have no real hope this will take care of things until the next fast build, which could be in a week or two at the moment.
To get the recent build installed, I had to run a custom script, to clean up all the known temp and softwaredistribution/downloads folder. Additionally I removed the upgrade assistant and one drive. Then ran the Windows Update trouble shooter, and ran (compact /compactos:alwasy) and set NTFS compression on the C drive, ignoring all errors. I was able to get 16GB free, and finally able to install the latest Fast Insider's Build.
Some of these things are not recommended, however extreme conditions require extreme measures... 32GB MMC Crive is a bit restricted.

jjurban55 said:
Hi, thanks for the great info! I'm trying to start a little robot makerspace and wanted to mount these little cheap tablets on mobile robots. The only issue appears to be not being able to use USB devices while supplying external power to the device. It sounded like you mentioned this is somehow possible, could you elaborate on that?
Thanks!
Jesse
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I am having mixed results here. I plainly am not getting good results with an OTG/HUB combo with three power settings. I am not getting power and USB/date to the micro USB port, as the same time. It's either/or.
610L - Nope, one or the other. I originally thought it was possible, but it's not.
560L - Nope, just confirmed, same result as the 610L - will charge in power+data mode, while completely off.
I have confirmed as well, 17063 build, on both the 610L and the 560L, has this strange screen rotation, mouse, touch screen orientation lock thing. That is, the screens rotate, but the touch alignment does not. The mouse pointer only moves in the same space as if it was prorate mode. Touch is fully prorate mode, while the screen rotates to landscape. Then got the BSOD (green screen)... Rebooting while in landscape mode, (requires a mouse), does fix the issue. Touch alignment comes back with screen rotation. (works on both models)

I see a future problem which I think we will have to address on our own. No help from TMax/NuVision I suspect.
When the microcode is finalized by Intel, we will have to come up with a solution to update the code, to protect against Meltdown and Spectre.
I have doen this before, prior to Compaq merger, on the HP VLi8 and VL400. But I don't know if it's possible to inject new microcode on the TMax firmware/bios update.
As you can see above, I have listed a number of firmware for our tablets, I am hoping we can work with some recent purchasers and see if there's an arrangement, where we could come to trade.

The USB OTG ACA support is weird. There are times it does work and times it does not. I have two USB OTG hubs that support supplying the tablet power while USB OTG is in use. With one hub, this works fine; with the other though, it will either not charge, or it will claim to be charging, but I assume not receiving enough power on the tablet side to charge the tablet enough while it's in use. It does however work, I have used it multiple times already with my 560L.
As for storage space, yes, I recommend running
Code:
compact /compactos:always
after each update. You can also get away with storing your user profile on the MicroSD card (and applications, thus rendering the internal storage an OS only drive)
As for my previous complaint about screen rotation, this disappeared after the upgrade to 17083. It was confirmed to be a problem with the Desktop Window Manager service by Microsoft and even had a fix posted to the Feedback Hub entry for the issue.
@CraveTech It may indeed be possible to modify our firmware, but the risk of doing so may outweigh the benefits. Windows already has user-mode mitigation of Spectre and Meltdown that isn't dependent on the microcode to be installed. We also have to worry about the possibility of bricking the devices without recovery (at least in my case, as I don't have access to an SPI programmer, nor do I feel comfortable cracking this thing open) seeing as a single option change in the BIOS effectively bricked the device.

anyone try to unrar the current image from nuvision for model w610L
test the archive and i get errors.
same with drivers.
tried newest unrar and also older version.
wtf??

ShadowEO said:
The USB OTG ACA support is weird. There are times it does work and times it does not. I have two USB OTG hubs that support supplying the tablet power while USB OTG is in use. With one hub, this works fine; with the other though, it will either not charge, or it will claim to be charging, but I assume not receiving enough power on the tablet side to charge the tablet enough while it's in use. It does however work, I have used it multiple times already with my 560L.
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What is the model of the one that works for you?
I just got a TM800W610L the other day and have been looking for one that works with this tablet.
Thanks

netstat_EVO said:
What is the model of the one that works for you?
I just got a TM800W610L the other day and have been looking for one that works with this tablet.
Thanks
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the exact hub I had the best experience on so far (I am still buying and trying hubs) was this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LTHBCNM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It charged when it said it was charging and had no qualms with the other devices. There's a Cerrxian branded 4-port rectangular hub which doesn't seem to work well at all for my devices. Even when the Cerrxian says the system is charging and the system shows it, it still dies. I assume that it just isn't supplying enough power to the VBUS :/

ShadowEO said:
the exact hub I had the best experience on so far (I am still buying and trying hubs) was this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LTHBCNM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It charged when it said it was charging and had no qualms with the other devices. There's a Cerrxian branded 4-port rectangular hub which doesn't seem to work well at all for my devices. Even when the Cerrxian says the system is charging and the system shows it, it still dies. I assume that it just isn't supplying enough power to the VBUS :/
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Interesting. I had seen that one on Amazon and quickly glossed over it since it had a switch for OTG/Charge, so I assumed it couldn't do both simultaneously. At $7 I'd say it's a cheap enough experiment though. Thanks for the info.

netstat_EVO said:
Interesting. I had seen that one on Amazon and quickly glossed over it since it had a switch for OTG/Charge, so I assumed it couldn't do both simultaneously. At $7 I'd say it's a cheap enough experiment though. Thanks for the info.
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Ya I was surprised too, but it worked with my Nexus 7 and LG G2 with their ACA enabled kernels. I had to fidget with the switch a little before charging started, but I was able to confirm in Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus 7 that it still saw the USB devices via lsusb. I seem to have lost that exact hub within the past week or so, but I had used it last month to charge the tablet while reinstalling Windows from my flash drive with a keyboard and mouse attached. I can't testify that it actually charged the device since I hadn't been able to see percentages (being in Windows setup and all), but the charging indicator was on, the screen was as bright as Windows normally makes it when charging, and it didn't die while the device was at ~15% battery before starting the installation. The Cerrxian hub couldn't do that and the tablet died while attempting installation, So I assume it was charging the tablet, or at least provided enough power to keep the device's battery stable.
I also just bought another 3-port hub from Acasis, another Chinese company making these cheap devices, but so far, I have yet to get that hub to charge the device either. So it seems that this is a very specific type of configuration inside the adapter, but the device does support OTG+Charge.
That said, Windows itself (at least the desktop versions) does not actually support this feature according to Microsoft's USB driver documentation. That it works at all seems to be a bug in the USB driver, or perhaps the adapters are doing something strange to trick the device into pulling down it's own VBUS and using the external one, possibly independently from the OS (Firmware USB drivers maybe?).

Does anyone have screenshot of the BIOS main menu and the save and exit screen? I'm trying reset to the bios. I was messing MIPI and eDP. I thought eDP was meant for external display port.
lol I fixed it. I gamble on different version of this tablet. I press F3 and Left arrow key for yes and enter. Then I press F4 and Left arrow key for yes to save and restart.

snkchaos said:
Does anyone have screenshot of the BIOS main menu and the save and exit screen? I'm trying reset to the bios. I was messing MIPI and eDP. I thought eDP was meant for external display port.
lol I fixed it. I gamble on different version of this tablet. I press F3 and Left arrow key for yes and enter. Then I press F4 and Left arrow key for yes to save and restart.
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Glad to see that you fixed it. I would recommend against modifying the firmware settings if you can avoid it, especially any power management settings as changing one of those can completely brick the tablet leaving you unable to even enter the firmware.
EDIT 2/27: I came across my other OTG hubs and have some bad news, it appears that the OTG+Charge works on the 560L, but doesn't on the 610L. Perhaps NuVision changed USB chipset revisions between models?

Just picked up the 610L last week for $66 as a small option to use a program I need mobile. Updated to 1709 after a struggle (why Microsoft, why?).
Ran great for a week and now it’s starting to freeze and BSOD with mainly “Clock Watchdog Timeout”.
Not really getting any indication of why, I know I can run a log dump, but I often can’t get it to stay on log enough. It will even hang and crash when trying to wipe/revert.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Been a long time since I was active around here

update:
Was able to locate the stock ISO files and made a bootable usb. It’s currently restoring back to OEM status.
The installer is another language, but it’s working.
I think I won’t be install updates until I finish this project I have to do.

Another update:
Getting an intel framework and thermal error in the logs, which I notice while the device gets hot while charging and operating. If I let things be without charging it stays cooler.
I’ve only had had one BSOD and it was for System Service Exception but the logs don’t show much.
I let things update overnight with it plugged in and the screen off and it was still operating this morning.
Not sure if this is a driver issue or not. Seems that way.

Been trying to restore this but get an hour into the nuvision software and it times out. Anyone have an idea how to get this back to stock?

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Hi all,
This thread is for all sorts of questions, from developing to general life.
I created this thread primarily to get rid of unrelated questions that are asked on various threads and to reduce clutter. So, if you got a question, ask here.
Note: everyone is encouraged to contribute to this thread.

Hi
You got your own thread that's fine
My IRULU,can't give me any sign of life
Is possibility I have destroyed it change wrong setting in BIOS?
And why laptop not have a battery pill on mainboard?
How to force BIOS to load default settings?
Have a China thl 5000 from 6 years and work wonderful, plastic body destroyed, fall from first floor crushed in the water, toilet but work
How possible but true
Bye and please help

landwinwand said:
Hi
You got your own thread that's fine
My IRULU,can't give me any sign of life
Is possibility I have destroyed it change wrong setting in BIOS?
And why laptop not have a battery pill on mainboard?
How to force BIOS to load default settings?
Have a China thl 5000 from 6 years and work wonderful, plastic body destroyed, fall from first floor crushed in the water, toilet but work
How possible but true
Bye and please help
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The thread isn't mine, it's everyone's.
Okay, so the tablets don't have a cmos battery because of the form factor, instead their uefi firmware stores data on the chip itself. We need to trick the bios to make it appease corrupted so that the backup bios image gets restored. But we will need a photo of the bios chip to see what pins will be needed to short.
If your device has an hdmi port, then you can try connecting to a display, but i am not sure it will work.
Shorting the bios pins may not damage it if done correctly, but you take the risk.
And please, don't buy those chinese tablets, they will break down suddenly.

The chip with the green dot on it is the bios chip in my tablet. The alphanumerical code on it is what you'll need.

make screenshots of Motherboard
It has mini hdmi connector
Here we go
Thanks

landwinwand said:
make screenshots of Motherboard
It has mini hdmi connector
Here we go
Thanks
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This is your bios chip (in the attachment). What does it read on it? Search google for the model of the chip like "winbond xxxxxxxxxx bios reset" (where xxxxxxx is your code on that chip).

Hi
I made with fino ....
Too little text but now can be reader
I have to search all the numbers?
Thanks
Hope for Victory

If you can't see well the screenshot
The info are
Winbond
25064FWIG
1532
6508
36800
Thanks much

landwinwand said:
If you can't see well the screenshot
The info are
Winbond
25064FWIG
1532
6508
36800
Thanks much
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http://tricks10000.blogspot.com/2015/10/how-to-reset-ufei-cmos-of-windows.html?m=1
This site has some tips on what to short.
https://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/33904-fix-dead-dual-bios-motherboard-flashing-failed.html
this site also has some tips, but not guaranteed to work.
just don't short wrong things, be careful

Nothing, happened, dead only CPU and coprocessor hot to cook eggs.
First irulu stop sign of life I see enter the BIOS without my needs,I see screen a white flash and after nothing.
I think the screen dead or coprocessor
Because when I put the charge the blue led is on.
But also when I connect the keyboard the power on led remain off.
If you want and have superpowers I send to you,and you can see if fix
Or I buy a cheap china chuwy 3g dual OS,win+android 7
And 2 years warranty.
What you think about
Bye

landwinwand said:
Nothing, happened, dead only CPU and coprocessor hot to cook eggs.
First irulu stop sign of life I see enter the BIOS without my needs,I see screen a white flash and after nothing.
I think the screen dead or coprocessor
Because when I put the charge the blue led is on.
But also when I connect the keyboard the power on led remain off.
If you want and have superpowers I send to you,and you can see if fix
Or I buy a cheap china chuwy 3g dual OS,win+android 7
And 2 years warranty.
What you think about
Bye
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Your device is fine, just the bios needs to be reset or reflashed. Can you try entering DnX mode? But you'll need your firmware files (stock rom).

What's dnx mode
Explain me
I do short pin 2 with charge in no luck!
It has a reset button,but no luck,!
Where's the ground in my tablet
Different motherboard from the link you give
Want try again........
Bye

landwinwand said:
What's dnx mode
Explain me
I do short pin 2 with charge in no luck!
It has a reset button,but no luck,!
Where's the ground in my tablet
Different motherboard from the link you give
Want try again........
Bye
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Dnx mode is like qualcomm's download mode, but on intel baytrail devices. On my tablet, you enter using pressing vol up + vol down + power.
This method will work IF you have stock firmware and ONLY IF the stock firmware has a bios image. If you don't have stock firmware or it doesn't contain bios image then don't bother.

What confusion
But why they do a reset button?
I press it but nothing happen
It's not equipped baytrail,want me send your house irulu,you can see if you can beat or use as
A floating disk.
I switch for a cheap chuwy tablet,I have no money
To spend for a trusted tablet.
Thank
I am the only one in this thread has encounter issues, but without fixed
See if Christpp are ready to trow us OREO for fino
Bye
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Has you got phone calls recording settled automated for every call you received.
Because I don't find a solution and every call I received have to record manually
And other recording apps don't work
Bye

landwinwand said:
What confusion
But why they do a reset button?
I press it but nothing happen
It's not equipped baytrail,want me send your house irulu,you can see if you can beat or use as
A floating disk.
I switch for a cheap chuwy tablet,I have no money
To spend for a trusted tablet.
Thank
I am the only one in this thread has encounter issues, but without fixed
See if Christpp are ready to trow us OREO for fino
Bye
---------- Post added at 05:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:11 PM ----------
Has you got phone calls recording settled automated for every call you received.
Because I don't find a solution and every call I received have to record manually
And other recording apps don't work
Bye
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That reset button resets OS, not the bios.
Keep that tablet, maybe you will solve the problem later. Give it to a PC repair store, tgey must have equipment to flash a damn bios chip.
About the call recording, tasker might help although i don't know how to manage it, so don't ask.

Hey strange things happened
Now I press on button
I put USB charger and my phone begin to charge
And I put in USB keyboard and charge work(I try to discarging irulu battery)
But the keyboard light off
If I press power on and hold 10 sec.the irulu shut down(and USB stop charge same keyboard USB,)
Now I got the problem, is possibility I have changed video to mini HDMI port
Or the screen glass is broken
I have do the short on USB ground
You have to help me more bro
I order a mini HDMI to HDMI to assure this too
Bye

landwinwand said:
Hey strange things happened
Now I press on button
I put USB charger and my phone begin to charge
And I put in USB keyboard and charge work(I try to discarging irulu battery)
But the keyboard light off
If I press power on and hold 10 sec.the irulu shut down(and USB stop charge same keyboard USB,)
Now I got the problem, is possibility I have changed video to mini HDMI port
Or the screen glass is broken
I have do the short on USB ground
You have to help me more bro
I order a mini HDMI to HDMI to assure this too
Bye
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If you know how to enter the bios, then press F9 and enter to return to default settings.

Only both USB seem work and Bluetooth
Want pair
But keyboard lights off
Mean keyboard don't do anything because
Is off.
I try USB keyboard but off.
I hear no sounds .
Another hints?
Seem likely the irulu is possessed by an obscure presence
Only HDMI can do the clue.
But BIOS technically if I remove an hardware's don't seem to emits sounds.
I admitting no buy irulu tablet in future.
I want a tablet is easy to recovered even in BIOS corrupted situations.
Can you give me the name of a laptop fit this
Specs,strongly and easy .
Bye thank for supporting me in this adventure but with a dead ending.
Bye and go for fino now .

landwinwand said:
Only both USB seem work and Bluetooth
Want pair
But keyboard lights off
Mean keyboard don't do anything because
Is off.
I try USB keyboard but off.
I hear no sounds .
Another hints?
Seem likely the irulu is possessed by an obscure presence
Only HDMI can do the clue.
But BIOS technically if I remove an hardware's don't seem to emits sounds.
I admitting no buy irulu tablet in future.
I want a tablet is easy to recovered even in BIOS corrupted situations.
Can you give me the name of a laptop fit this
Specs,strongly and easy .
Bye thank for supporting me in this adventure but with a dead ending.
Bye and go for fino now .
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Technically, it's not the tablet's fault, you changed some incompatible settings.
Yea, they compiled a ****ty bios, but chuwi won't be better. They're all the same, manufactured in a same place but with different branding.
I'd say, look for refurbished laptops or netbooks, like from asus, dell, hp, you get it. They will last longer than these chinese tablets. If you find one in a mint condition.

HDMI mini to HDMI cable when tomorrow I try
Tell me I remembered
I select under USB tab legacy on
What's and what do that
I also under screen have selected HDMI.
If I sure this,because,the tablet is on,screen is off
Usb charge only,keyboard is off
China tablet same china microsd card.
But THL is a China phone and work great and I have from 7 years paying $178,
But I don't love to loose, I wants revenge,i sell PC and repairs from 8 years, no one in my life I have destroyed.
Bye