Really like Samsung.. Have the Galaxy s2 skyrocket.. love it. and was thinking of getting the 10.1 tab , but heard the Asus prime is "the tab"..
Have heard issues with qc with asus and with the quad core being the first just alittle skiddish about it..
Im sure Best Buy will put the Galaxy stuff on sale soon..
I have heard great things of the Galaxy tabs..
What do you want? If you really want a quad-core, wait for new tablets first. If you don't need/want quad-core, get the GTab.
Just get the prime, seriously.
Here's what I would do:
1) post questions in the Q+A forum
2) read the forum and find the other thread ON THE SAME PAGE that asked the EXACT SAME QUESTION: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383993
3) make up my own damn mind.
There are like three other threads discussing this same question.
If you have to have a tablet now, then yes, the Prime is the one to buy (assuming you want Wi-Fi only). But, like you said, Asus is a low to mid-level manufacturer and they had problems with the first Transformer and that was a much less complex device. If you read what's going on over at the Prime forum there's potential issues with Wi-Fi strength/range and some question as to just how many units will actually be made available this year. A ton of pre-orders were canceled and Amazon no longer has it listed for sale.
CES is January 11. There have been leaks about both Acer and Lenovo quad-core tablets. Both are supposed to have more RAM (2GB) and higher res displays (1900x1200) then the Prime. I wouldn't be surprised to see them announced in almost production-ready form at CES. Other than being the first Teg3 and having a dock, there's really nothing remarkable about the Prime. It's larger than the G-Tab, iPad2, and new Toshiba Excite. It has the same 1280x800 screen resolution and 1GB of RAM as all the first gen tablets. It also has mono-speakers (they're on one side) and only supports the 2.4GHz Wi-Fi band. I think all the people racing to buy a Prime that already have an existing tablet are going to be disappointed when better featured next-gen tablets start to be released.
If you can wait until February-ish I think either the Lenovo or Acer are probably going to be better choices if for no other reason than having higher-res displays. They'll also ship with ICS pre-installed. But for now, solely because of the Teg3 processor (and keyboard dock if you care), the Prime's the best available choice. You're other choice could be to watch for refurb deals on the G-Tab. They've been as low as $329 shipped for the holidays. You could use it for a few months to see what your options are and then sell it on eBay/CL for close to what you paid for it.
Get the gtab. There is nothing revolutionary about the prime. If you got a little patience, you'll wait two three months and get some of the real next generation tablets.
The galaxy tablet handles everything except 1080p, if you do have a huge collection of that, get something else.
You get one awesome screen, very nice stereo speakers and solid build quality.
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Here's what I would do:
1) post questions in the Q+A forum
2) read the forum and find the other thread ON THE SAME PAGE that asked the EXACT SAME QUESTION: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383993
3) make up my own damn mind.
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Nice.. thank you for your informative post
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Nice.. thank you for your informative post
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If you're still in the remorse period for your Skyrocket you have another option. AT&T's got a deal going where you buy a G-Tab 8.9 and get a Skyrocket free. So if you paid either $149 or $249 for the Skyrocket you'd end up spending either $330 or $230 for the Tab. It's also got a Qualcomm chip which is faster/better then the Teg2 in the Wi-Fi version. You don't have to keep the data plan on the Tab either. If you want to sell it down the road it should also hold its value better than a Wi-Fi Tab.
I would say Asus based on the specs but based on their past history I'd avoid them and go with the Samsung Tab....
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If you're still in the remorse period for your Skyrocket you have another option. AT&T's got a deal going where you buy a G-Tab 8.9 and get a Skyrocket free. So if you paid either $149 or $249 for the Skyrocket you'd end up spending either $330 or $230 for the Tab. It's also got a Qualcomm chip which is faster/better then the Teg2 in the Wi-Fi version. You don't have to keep the data plan on the Tab either. If you want to sell it down the road it should also hold its value better than a Wi-Fi Tab.
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I saw that deal.. I have had my SR for about 6 weeks now..
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I would say Asus based on the specs but based on their past history I'd avoid them and go with the Samsung Tab....
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That is what I am thinking.. I will just use my tablet for fun really.. root it, custom roms.. customize it.. not for work or anything..
I mean , does anybody need 4 cores?
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I would say Asus based on the specs but based on their past history I'd avoid them and go with the Samsung Tab....
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I would avoid Asus too who needs updates, micro sd slot, hdmi port etc,etc,........ Look at Samsung they never roll out updates....They barely got 3.2 and 4.0 is just around the corner.
I cant tell if you guys are being sarcastic, but serious advice, i got my tab about 6 weeks ago and Im having tablet envy because the prime has more storage for the same money and its faster. I've had to do a lot of customization to mine for it to feel fast.
And if you plan on listening to music or watch any kind of movies on your tab then you will want to have 32gb minimum with MORE storage if you like to watch in 720p.
Having a usb flash sticking out the bottom of my tab doesnt feel right and im always paranoid im going to snap it
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They aren't the only one that has tablets with ports. The quality of the TF1 was questionable and the Prime either has or had Wi-Fi issues and it's not even released yet.
Look at Samsung they never roll out updates....They barely got 3.2 and 4.0 is just around the corner.
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I have a SGS2 and it's been updated like a dozen times. I don't know why they're so slow with tablets. They regionalize their products and offer 3G versions which Asus doesn't so that could explain some of the delay. As Google's platform partner for ICS, the Tab should get ICS faster and better then other brands. Samsung UK announced the SGS2 will get ICS next month. Let's hope the Tab's right behind it. It makes sense for Samsung to get ICS on the Tab quickly to extend its selling life in the face of competition that's supposed to be announced next month at ICS. The Toshiba Excite, a direct competitor to the G-Tab, will ship with ICS when it launches in February so hopefully Samsung will respond before then.
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I would avoid Asus too who needs updates, micro sd slot, hdmi port etc,etc,........ Look at Samsung they never roll out updates....They barely got 3.2 and 4.0 is just around the corner.
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I agree with the updates comment but Samsung has gotten a little better in that area...
I don't need usb or hdmi slots... Some do, some don't but I'm in the don't department..
Not a good sign when a manufacturer with a questionable quality history has to delay its product before its even released because of quality issues....
My $.02
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Not a good sign when a manufacturer with a questionable quality history has to delay its product before its even released because of quality issues....
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And not even agree internally on whether or not the problem exists. Asus Canada notified resellers that shipments were delayed indefinitely while a fix for poor Wi-Fi range was implemented. Asus U.S. said the launch is occuring as announced on 12/19. The Prime forum should be entertaining once people have them in their hands.
You can't accuse Asus of a delay when, in fact, they are expected to meet their US ship dates (and we'll find out in two days, won't we?). Out of *all* of the reviewers and websites who reviewed pre-pro and production models of the Transformer Prime, precisely ONE reported any sort of Wi-fi issue at all (anandtech). Hard to believe that, if there was a widespread issue, only one reviewer ever encountered it.
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You can't accuse Asus of a delay when, in fact, they are expected to meet their US ship dates (and we'll find out in two days, won't we?). Out of *all* of the reviewers and websites who reviewed pre-pro and production models of the Transformer Prime, precisely ONE reported any sort of Wi-fi issue at all (anandtech). Hard to believe that, if there was a widespread issue, only one reviewer ever encountered it.
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Then you should run out and be one of the first to get one. Asus had a poor track record for h/w on the TF1 and the Prime's a more complicated device. It may be the second coming of Christ but like many here I'll wait to see what Acer, Lenovo, and Samsung announce at CES on January 11. The Prime's the first quad-core, it won't be the only quad-core and with a G-Tab I love I'm in no rush and don't feel like being part of Asus' QC process.
Actually, yes, I ordered one weeks ago from Best Buy, so hopefully I will be the first one to get one. Having played with a Samsung, I'm certainly not interested in anything they'll be crowing about in January.
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Having played with a Samsung, I'm certainly not interested in anything they'll be crowing about in January.
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I know I should not feed a troll.... BUT....
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Hopefully the following article is misinformed (I do also have a Tab)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
Otherwise we'll have to wait for devs to port Honeycomb to our tabs. Which may very well not happen since few of them have SGTs (and given the news flow they may very well pass it...) plus our hardware may be too limited (Underpowered processor, too small screen resolution) and we may very well want to pass on honeycomb too (If it's only for tabs and not for phones, forget about phone functionalities...)
Anyway let's just hope this is not true (Would hate to have to dump my tab only after 3 months of use...)
It's not like SGT becomes somehow inferior just because there's a new version of Android. It is a great device as it is.
All the more reason for me to justify picking up a Tab 2 when it is released
I love my tab as it is, and I see that there are already improvements to be made through updates to FroYo, so I am not really worried because I am satisfied even with my stock tab now.
Same here - I bought an unactivated vzw tab, and it just does everything I need. If there's a Tab 2 with Honeycomb, I'll look at it, but with my other android devices, the dev community seems to produce better functionality than the vendors do, and I can hopefully skip all the vendor-installed crap with a clean image when that time arrives.
R.I.P.
These are really bad news for us owners.
Maybe I'll switch to iOS devices then. They're running so much smoother compared to android 2.X devices...
We won't see how good the tab with its powervr 540 graphics would perform with proper hardwareacceleration honeycomb will provide.
And that, ladies and gentlemen is why we're all here on XDA......
The way things are looking, unless Google is planning on HC being a tablet only OS, there will be a basic HC OS for phones and an extra feature set that's unlocked for tablets with dual core procs and 1280 X 720 screens. What may happen is that the 7" tablet will essentially be an oversized phone with XDA hacking it so you can use the tablet features on the 7" tablets.
As a Galaxy Tab owner I'm not really that butthurt by this because I can envision having a camera phone and 7" tablet as mobile devices and a wifi only 12" tablet for home use. If the HC tablet features truly require a larger screen, then I'm content with a 7" tablet that more of a mobile device.
I am a big fan of the 16:9 screen dimension. Better for movies and better for mutli-pane implementation.
The worry I have is this will just cut the spread of SGT buyers. If we end up with a device not very popular and with a small customer/devs base you can forget about any dream of good custom roms or app developments
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HTC is rumored to be releasing a 7" tablet, and the SGT has sold millions in a short amount of time. Unlike the iPhone, there was no carrier based reason to purchase the SGT over the iPad, but people did, in large part due to the form factor. I suspect that the 7" tab will not go away.
LOL, Any body want to sell their antiquated Galaxy Tab?
I've been looking to get one on AT&T or T-Mo... a trade for a mint 16GB iPhone4 perhaps???
FUD
There are no mins for Gingerbread, and IF there are any for Honeycomb, the community devs will pull apart what is a good update for the GTab and cook it up.
Honestly if you are worried, start a fund to get a tab into more dev hands...
lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.
lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.
Eh...it's only bad news if you don't like your Tab the way it is now. So it's not bad news for me, it's just more news.
What is bad is how all of a sudden there are so many deals for people to get these Galaxy Tabs. That had dramaticly reduced the cost. My guess that are getting rid of invintory. And it seems this is going on before CES. Just my view
What deals? That $100 Verizon price drop? Good luck finding a Verizon store that will sell one for $500 no-contract, it's a rumor and not official, at least not yet.
The T-Mobile $349 on a 2-year? That's not a price reduction, it's a little lubrication for the contract buttsecks. The Best Buy and Amazon sales? Short term holiday traffic generators. The UK/Euro price drops? Those were adjustments to bring the device in line with US pricing once the North American Tabs were released.
Lets not forget economy of scale, the more they make and sell, the cheaper each individual unit becomes to produce, and they can (and often do) lower prices over the life of a product to reflect this.
As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
And any way you slice it, we're looking at March at the very least for a Honeycomb tablet explosion*. That's six months after the Tab launched. That's six months of awesome Tab usage before you should start to get the urge to replace it.
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
*The Motorola tablet may launch before then, but frankly, I don't give a DAMN about the Motorola tablet, because it's a 10" device and I don't want one of those.
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The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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i am with u but u need money to burn
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The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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No truer words have been spoken.
You can play the waiting game forever. By the time the Honeycomb tablets are finally in the wild, the next generation tablet hardware / software will already be announced. At some point you just got to buy.
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I just got a tablet running Samsung S5PV210 and I do hope it would be upgrade to honeycomb. The tablet run Android 2.2 OS currently, and its hardware specs. as following on the site where I picked up.
I'm going to contact with the vendor and ask for certain upgrade info.
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As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
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I also believe that one of the announced Asus tablets with Honeycomb also has a 1Ghz snapdragon so that busts the Dual Core requirement too.
http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwoyke/2011/07/29/asus-preparing-second-transformer-tablet/
At first, I was a little mad at this, my Transformer just arrived in the mail today and the first website I went to on my new TF was engadget.com and I saw this headline.
Then, I realized that I probably won't even need a quad core tablet for another couple of years considering that there are only a handful of apps that take advantage of Tegra 2.
Yeah I went into the tablet game knowing full well it would be outdated very quickly. I judged my opinion on my purchase solely based on the streamline performance I saw from the models already available at the time, the xoom, and decided it was going to be enough power for me for a while. But deep down inside it does get to you when you see something newer come out a quarter later!
I also heard today that the price of the Asus Transformer is going to drop on the middle of this month, but they didn't give a price. A reaction to Acer Iconia dropping to $398.
I think that the new screens on the next generation of tablets will be really expensive since they will be 2048x1500 or there abouts.
Don
I guess I'll wait untill after the quad-core gen, I guess that's gonna be next year...
I wonder what will be next after the quads?
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I guess I'll wait untill after the quad-core gen, I guess that's gonna be next year...
I wonder what will be next after the quads?
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more silly performances...
There is this assumption that there really isnt any point of quad cores as Apps arent optimised for them yet.
However, honeycomb itself was designed with multicore processors in mind. Single threaded apps can take advantage of multicore processors by running the app on one core, and other OS services on the other cores.
Even the most basic of tasks can benefit like browsing and gaming.The OS itself can benefit from quad core.
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At first, I was a little mad at this, my Transformer just arrived in the mail today and the first website I went to on my new TF was engadget.com and I saw this headline.
Then, I realized that I probably won't even need a quad core tablet for another couple of years considering that there are only a handful of apps that take advantage of Tegra 2.
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They are just playing the same game as Apple, updating their product on a yearly refresh cycle.
I won't be updating from Transformer to Transformer 2. I'm very happy with my purchase, and nothing will change that. A few years down the road I may repurchase.
I only hope that Asus don't withhold Android ICS from Transformer to give the Transformer 2 a market advantage (it already has one in it's hardware spec).
I have spent the last 2 weeks trying to decide what android tablet to purchase. I have narrowed my decision between the TF and the GT10.1. I was gonna make my purchase in a week or so, but now, I dont know?! Maybe I should buy one at BB and get the buy back program for it. Damn....
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I have spent the last 2 weeks trying to decide what android tablet to purchase. I have narrowed my decision between the TF and the GT10.1. I was gonna make my purchase in a week or so, but now, I dont know?! Maybe I should buy one at BB and get the buy back program for it. Damn....
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I'd rather have a 3.2 update with no bugs, TBH.
I don't buy this october release date. it makes no sense to put out a new device so early when TF1 sales are rising not falling away. surely asus would want to max out sales of their existing product before launching a successor.
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I don't buy this october release date. it makes no sense to put out a new device so early when TF1 sales are rising not falling away. surely asus would want to max out sales of their existing product before launching a successor.
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After October is December and Christmas;P, so this is a very good time for a new flagship product.
oh and one more thing, If Asus doesn't do this, then another company will. Kal-el is ready, so it is, a matter of time.
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Kal-el is ready, so it is, a matter of time.
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I'll believe it when I see it. I just read a story yesterday (I'll see if I can find the link) saying that the chip will not ship in quantity until 2012.
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I'll believe it when I see it. I just read a story yesterday (I'll see if I can find the link) saying that the chip will not ship in quantity until 2012.
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Please do find it, I'm sat here wanting to order a GTab but am put off by the "Quad Core is almost here" rumours.
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Please do find it, I'm sat here wanting to order a GTab but am put off by the "Quad Core is almost here" rumours.
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I can tell You that Kal-el is ready but creating a tablet with this processor is another and long story.
Oh and i cant tell Y why i know about Kal-el
Greets
I could easily see them selling both the TF and the TF 2 at the same time, just at a lower pricepoint for the TF and a higher price point for the TF 2. It might be that by the time the TF 2 comes out, component costs will have dropped on the TF and they could price it at, say, $349/$449 retail, and then the TF 2 at $449/$549.
That's just idle speculation, of course, but it makes sense to me, particularly if the specs on the TF 2 are crazy good, which I expect them to be.
IMHO Quad core on a tablet is completely and utterly USELESS. More is not always better.
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IMHO Quad core on a tablet is completely and utterly USELESS. More is not always better.
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not true ..... if You look into the future, this is the best chocie but it's true that will always be something new and better ... This is the IT world
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IMHO Quad core on a tablet is completely and utterly USELESS. More is not always better.
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Why? Wouldn't you prefer it if your browser typing had less lag, and the app your were running was not effected by other tasks such as feed updates, etc. More cores impacts both the base OS and apps.
Your Android device WILL BE outdated in 3 months, maximum 6 months no matter what you buy.
I am happy as long as I get the Ice Cream Sandwich running smoothly later this year.
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Why? Wouldn't you prefer it if your browser typing had less lag, and the app your were running was not effected by other tasks such as feed updates, etc. More cores impacts both the base OS and apps.
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This is the same thing ppl said when the tegra2 was announced. The fact is that honeycomb itself is not mature yet.
I agree with the post above saying quad core is useless. It is useless for the time being cause, while the hw techs is advancing at great speed, the software is still lagging behind. why have a quad core when clearly we do not have many tablet applications? i am not talking about the recent api changes in 3.2 so that apps can be stretched... i am talking about special apps made for tablet only. why improve the hw when there is still way to improve in the sw?
browser typing is clearly a bug in the codes. we do not need to get 4 cores to get rid of it. browser typing lag is something we shouldnt be experiencing even in a single core. quad cores coming out in october is quite outrageous especially for us ( living in europe) . i for one, paid approx 450 euros 2 weeks ago for the TF only (without the dock).
Im on the edge right now of buying a tab or waiting for the the tegra 3 tablets. What do you guys think? While I had the transformer I had a lot of lag and it didnt seem like a laptop internet experience. So is the tab better or should I wait for tegra 3 which is coming soon?
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Im on the edge right now of buying a tab or waiting for the the tegra 3 tablets. What do you guys think? While I had the transformer I had a lot of lag and it didnt seem like a laptop internet experience. So is the tab better or should I wait for tegra 3 which is coming soon?
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It depends... If you can live without tab, then you can wait for coming soon tablets if not grab this one. TW is what rocks on this tab. Also, I'm sure you have 14 days to get familiar with the tab before returning it, until you are buying from Costco, that gives you 90 days (pretty much you can exchange it with whatever latest comes in that period)
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Im on the edge right now of buying a tab or waiting for the the tegra 3 tablets. What do you guys think? While I had the transformer I had a lot of lag and it didnt seem like a laptop internet experience. So is the tab better or should I wait for tegra 3 which is coming soon?
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I have an Asus TF, which I think is a fantastic multi-purpose device. However, I also bought a GT 10.1 at the end of last week, and to be brutally honest, it is a far better pure tablet than the TF. That's not to knock the TF, because it still has a lot of advantages over the GT 10.1, but I think Samsung have done a very good job producing top notch hardware and coupling it with intelligently modified software.
In my opinion (and that's all this is), Android 3.1 with Touchwiz is provides a better experience than Android 3.2 on the TF. I never felt that my TF was the sort of device I could give my parents (I even got my mum an iPad), but the GT 10.1 is definitely something I could recommend to a non-techy.
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I would have to agree ive had the tf from day 1 yesterday the speakers blew so its rma for return. However on my break i popped out and got a tab and have to say i love it. It just seems more mature and touchwiz actually compliments the tab when the tf gets back it will be on fleabay
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Why don't you try going Cold Turkey for a week or two (go Tabless) and see if you miss it, if you don't miss it then just bide your time and wait for Tegra 3. Otherwise, get yourself the GT.
I returned my Transformer and then rejected the replacement as it was no better, that's not to say that there aren't good one's out there though.
I looked at all the available Tabs and in the end decided to wait for the Samsung, sure it lacks the ports that others have, but I'm now very happy with my decision. I've had a few annoyances along the way, but hey if I didn't like fiddling with devices then perhaps I'd have gone the non Android route.
Just keep in mind that the "quality" Tegra 3 devices are still MONTHS away from shipping...and the day they ship, you'll be thinking about Tegra 4, or Super Exynos or Snapdragon Ultra or OMAPWTFBBQ...
TLDR; waiting for tech is a sad game to play, if you don't have current tech to play with while waiting. Though it is cheaper, I think it's a false economy.
I hear the next GTab 10.1 will be coming in january... You should totally wait. Hell, 04 Jan 13 is just around the corner
I love my Tab, it's the best Android Tab out right now, so why not go for it. You can always sell it later and get something back for it.
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I love my Tab, it's the best Android Tab out right now, so why not go for it. You can always sell it later and get something back for it.
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I definitely agree. Get ohe now and play with it.
You will then be able to see what you like and dont like before you buy the next generation version.
Costco has a 90 day return policy so I would take advantage of that if you could.
get the tab
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/01/motorola-xoom-2-ad-confirms-honeycomb-and-pre-christmas-launch-will-likely-retail-for-400/
Well if Moto are going for a 2011 release there's no way they could shoehorn ICS on there before it hits the shops. Better to get the hardware out and selling and work on an ICS upgrade in the background once they have the source.
Well how many people on here would install another rom, install adw ex or multilive wallpaper? So what difference does it make which OS it has.
It would make no difference to me if it had froyo, i had froyo on my 7' galaxy tab and still use all the same apps and widgets on my xoom. So what does it matter?
With ICS you can have a fingerprint unlocker? woopeee dog doo! utter worthless sales mode crap!
Let's have a fingerprint unlocker, but we won't have micro sd card expansion so we can have a thin device, i think these tablet developers are brain damaged!
I would absolutely love and use a fingerprint unlocker! I synch with 2 Exchange servers that require a device unlock PIN every time I turn it on. Not sales crap - a very useful feature for some of us.
not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...
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not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...
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I think they're trying to target the consumer market. Xoom 1 was best of CES and first device honeycomb. I think first device with honeycomb means a lot because the ui was designed almost exclusively for xoom 1. Xoom 2 is not innovative but lighter weight and better screen for $200 less than xoom 1 (589 vs ~389) could do wonders for moto who posted a 3rd quarter loss. If xoom 2 is the first tablet to get ics that may help it out otherwise ics on xoom1 will hopefully satisfy my needs until octacore xoom 3 comes out
Xoom 2 looks like it has a ui skin. Big problem for me.
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>not sure if i get the point of them releasing it with only a dual core...
One major reason is being able to play most videos w/o need to convert, thanks to OMAP4's better multimedia support. For regular people, it means smooth HD Netflix & Hulu streaming. It's a big use-case. In addition to being thinner, lighter, more stylish, etc.
I agree it's not a big jump functionality-wise. Having ICS onboard would've been a more compelling sell, but ICS didn't make the deadline. Regardless, the new Moto line-up is much improved over the old.
>I think they're trying to target the consumer market.
Only for the Xoom Family, which is $350-ish now at BestBuy. The 8.2" Xoom 2 Media Edition will be for €400 (one can assume the same for the US), and is targeted at the under-10" segment.
The 10" Xoom 2 is targeted at the business crowd, mainly by its software load-out. Extrapolating from the announced UK pricing (£325+VAT vs ME's £299), it'll probably go for USD$450.
To sum: Xoom Family $350, Xoom 2 Media 8.2" $400, Xoom 2 10.1" $450.
The emphasis on "value pricing" (read: cheaper than iPad's $500) was made clear by Moto CEO when he said that pricing was something they'd work to bring down. I am a little surprised by the narrow price band--only $100 spacing between high and low-end. It may well be because of ICS' inavailability, which makes a more ambitious roll-out problematic.
Also, Moto is in a major transition of its own, being integrated into Goog, so it has other concerns at the moment.
Does anyone one knows any more info about this tablet? I can't find a decent video review. I am interested buying the media edition.
ICS will come later as an update. As for "When?", well... It's Motorola. Your guess is as good as mine.
The specs on this new tablet are indeed outdated considering new tablets coming in the next 3 months will mostly feature quadcore (or at least much faster hardware). The only way this tablet could be successful is if it allows them to sell it quite cheaper than the quadcore tablets. That could provide a very interesting mid-range product. So, pricing will either make, or break this product IMHO.
See Motorola is not equal to Asus
Motorola new Tablet dual core processor, less internal memory upgrade to ICS as they said.... in due course
Asus 32gig Quad Core same price as Motorola Dual Core 16gig Xoom 2. Upgrade to ICS they said before Christmas
I was surprised that they would release the Xoom 2 with the lackluster hardware and no ICS. What's the huge improvement? Apart from the fact that there's some nice but non-essential upgrades. Spill resistant Screen, shiny metal back, Rear Camera Centered, Power button on the side and not the back, Speakers centered, Grooved corners for easier holding.
My favorite being IT CHARGES OFF OF MICRO USB.
That would of been nice (and expected I would say) on our OG Xooms.
Also w/ Google acquiring Motorola and not releasing ICS on the Xoom 2 right away, I think, shows that Google is not out to play favorites since they acquired a hardware manufacturer. This should give the other big Android manufacturers warm feelings; HTC/Samsung/LG.
I could be wrong but just wanted to put my word in there.
Personally, I think once the Xoom 2 hits shelves, Moto could careless about the OG Xoom and we will be LUCKY to get ICS. I have not used my Xoom in a while since I now prefer my Samsung Galaxy Player 5.0 with a 32GB Class 10 Micro SD (and unlike the GED Xoom I can actually use it to move around files) and I use my Blackberry Playbook for $199. I happen to like the smaller form factor.
The OG Xoom will be forgotten by Moto soon and we will be left to XDA to update our devices;(
I really want a a premium tablet that weight less than 450 gr and is no bigger than 8.9 inch . I have a 7 inch tablet and i want my new one to be a bit bigger . Xoom 2 media edition has what i need . But nobody seems to care about it and every one want transformer prime for its tegra 3 . i am a bit afraid to buy it because i cant find any info on this tablet . Does the media edition has the digitiser to make active stylus work or not ? How is the the battery life on this tablet ? Will the xda community support this tablet or motorolla will just sell few and no one will care to built a custom rom ? I usually i am not an early adopter on products .... Do you have any suggestions for others tablets that will suits my needs ?
I read somewhere that Motorola would not lower the price of the Xoom becausenof the Xoom2, but I can't believe this statement. My guess is that there will be big discounts on the first model. What do you think about this ?
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Also w/ Google acquiring Motorola and not releasing ICS on the Xoom 2 right away, I think, shows that Google is not out to play favorites since they acquired a hardware manufacturer. This should give the other big Android manufacturers warm feelings; HTC/Samsung/LG.
I could be wrong but just wanted to put my word in there.
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Yeah, I think you are wrong. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet. That deal has yet to be finalized or even passed.
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How is the the buttery life on this tablet ?
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It's great as long as you don't leave it near sources of heat.
I'm sorry
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Yeah, I think you are wrong. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet. That deal has yet to be finalized or even passed.
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Correct, the deal hasn't closed yet. I think just recently around the 15th 99% of Motorola Shareholders approved of the merger. Most recently I think they're getting approval/clearance from the European Commission.
So hopefully January-February the deal will be finalized.
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It's great as long as you don't leave it near sources of heat.
I'm sorry
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Smart keyboards make us look stupid sometimes ...
I have the Xoom right now and love it. However, I'm attracted to the size and weight of the XYKeyboard. I want 4.0 as soon as possible and LTE doesn't mean anything to me.
I have the option to switch out my Xoom for the XYKeyboard when it comes out, but don't know if I should. Is there any other tablet coming out that I should maybe be waiting for. No, not an iPad. And I've already heard the battery on the Transformer Prime is crap.
I definitely don't want to get the XY and find out the ICS is going to take longer.
Thoughts?
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And I've already heard the battery on the Transformer Prime is crap.
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First I've heard of that. The only thing that came close was one reviewer's website who got a faulty unit... when it was exchanged he got 2+ more hours of battery and lasted a good 11 hours. 11 hours isn't crap to me... not to mention the ability to carry around a spare battery in the dock to give it 18+.
Xyboard doesn't ship with ICS. No tablet shipping before the new year is. The Xyboard is only a little bit faster than the original Xoom. It's not worth upgrading. If you want a new tablet, get the Transformer Prime. It's a tad bit more expensive but the hardware in it blows the Xyboard out of the way. If that isn't enough to sway you, consider this: Xyboard is the stupidest name for a gadget I have ever heard.
I should also point out that the Xoom will probably get an ICS ROM before the Xyboard gets updated.
honestly the xooms specs are fine if i were you'd id avoid spending the money on a whole new tablet and wait at least another year or so. Also quad core? what are you possibly going to be running that needs a quad core lol dual core is fast enough for android
The XY thingy is a joke & a slap in the face to xoom original owners. I have a Asus transformer prime on pre-order.Motorola has lost my business.
I'm a happy Xoom owner also passing on the xyboard. The tablet just doesn't justify the $800 cost (32gB w/o contract) and although dual core is probably enough for me, that doesn't mean I'm going to pay a premium for it and forget quad core is going to be released soon. No microSD, although not critical, is something I'd expect. This is like a middle of the road tablet with a super premium price. Verizon and Motorola must think there are a lot of people willing to pay to have the embedded LTE modem.
I really don't need a new tablet right now so I can wait. For a new buyer, a Xoom or Transformer is a much better bang for your buck. Samsung and Sony have come out with press releases on their next Andriod tablets to be announced in February and at CES (Jan 10th); that doesn't mean they'll be shipping, but I'm not in a rush to buy.
With Apple, many people just buy out of brand loyalty or wanting an Apple device. Motorola releases this device as if its brand loyalty is as strong as Apple. I like Motorola products but this is just a complete disappointment from the specifications to the price. No wonder they aren't seeding media with demo units for testing/reviews. I haven't seen one in depth review; compare that to the Transformer Prime which is seems everyone has except me.
I tried the XY a few days ago (Xoom 2 in the UK) and honestly it is barely an upgrade. The Thinness and weight is nice but it actually felt a little slower than my Xoom, though that's probably because I have mine over clocked. Also the Xoom will get ICS first, the XY is not stock Honeycomb, the changes are little but noticeable and in my opinion make it look a little tacky compared with the Xoom.
Also those weird corners I'll admit feel comfortable and more natural in portrait mode but in landscape I didn't really like the feel, the edges felt sharper and unnatural.
If I were you I would either stick with the Xoom or if you really want an upgrade go for the Transformer Prime, that thing is a beast and when you compare the prices there is really no comparison between the two.
From what I've seen, the Xoom has the same processor as the XYboard(I'll link it when I can find it) just overclocked. If the XYboard will cost you nothing, heck ya! Do it! SOmething I have noticed between the newest of moto's products is a delayed time in unlocking a bootloader. So if custom Roms and kernals are your thing, I'd say wait a bit until an unlock is confirmed. Having an unlocked bootloader means that with the great dev here, we'll see ICS on the Xoom before the Xyboard.
overclock your xoom then wait for a quad core, personally I think ics underlying core won't be to much of a improvement over honeycomb, a few improvements and new theme, but not to much to get overly excited about.
but maybe I am trying to avoid getting let down lol
ill see what GED tablet comes out after IO at the end of June. My xooms not even a year old yet
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From what I've seen, the Xoom has the same processor as the XYboard(I'll link it when I can find it) just overclocked. If the XYboard will cost you nothing, heck ya! Do it! SOmething I have noticed between the newest of moto's products is a delayed time in unlocking a bootloader. So if custom Roms and kernals are your thing, I'd say wait a bit until an unlock is confirmed. Having an unlocked bootloader means that with the great dev here, we'll see ICS on the Xoom before the Xyboard.
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The original Xoom is using a Tegra 2 Processor.
The Xyboard is using a Texas Instrument OMAP4 processor.
And I think Motorola WANTS to upgrade the Xyboard first to ICS but it would be a pain, cause Xyboard is running Motorola Blur so they have a lot of editing to do.
Whereas Xoom is straight up original Android with no modifications, so will be easier to slap ICS on there!
Just wait longer. The xoom is not yet outdated, so the only real difference in the XY would be its profile.
Dispatched at the speed of light from my XOOM
Im thinking hold off for a bit before you buy the XY which is more or less the same as the Xoom.
I say this because I honestly see Xoom getting ICS before XY.
I'll probably never understand the thought process behind a name like XYBoard as Xoom 2 sounds MUCH better. On that note I'm disappointed with the Xoom 2 from a spec sheet perspective. It doesn't offer much of an incentive to "upgrade" to it from my original Xoom. That being said, the Transformer Prime is a true upgrade based on it having that Tegra 3 processor . Someone mentioned that a dual-core processor is fine for Android and I agree: it is perfectly fine for Android...for now. A quad-core tablet is more future-proof, IMHO.
Now, synthetic benchmarks don't mean everything, but it's interesting that the XYBoard 10.1 benchmarks as well as the Transformer Prime in Quadrant, Linpack and Sunspider in our tests.
There's no full blown Motoblur UI on the 10.1 (US shipping model). It's pretty vanilla Android with a handful of Moto and Verizon apps thrown in.
The much improved form factor (let's face it, super-thin and light are popular) is a big mass market improvement over the Xoom. Note, I said mass market, I know some of you guys and gals don't care so much. But it's as thin and light as the iPad 2 and Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, and they seem to be the sweet spot with consumers. Likewise the Transformer is uber thin too.
The IPS display is a huge improvement. The one thing I truly hated about my Xoom was the washed out LCD vs. the Transformer/Tab 10.1/iPad 2. It's colorful and much brighter.
I did a 22 minute in-depth video review of the XYBoard 10.1 if anyone is interested:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41820
(and yes, I didn't pronounce it correctly in the review, it rhymes with "cyborg" )
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I did a 22 minute in-depth video review of the XYBoard 10.1 if anyone is interested:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=41820
(and yes, I didn't pronounce it correctly in the review, it rhymes with "cyborg" )
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I noticed your review stated Motorola is owned by Google and referred the Xyboard as a GED, but that's not true. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet... And I wouldn't count it a GED since it's got the bloatware on it as well.
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honestly the xooms specs are fine if i were you'd id avoid spending the money on a whole new tablet and wait at least another year or so. Also quad core? what are you possibly going to be running that needs a quad core lol dual core is fast enough for android
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The Xoom specs are fine, but with an attitude like yours towards newer more powerful stuff will only hold innovation back. Rather than saying "we don't need it" we should be saying "lets find something awesome to do with it!"
When the laser was invented people thought it was useless and that nobody would ever need one.
My Verizon Xoom had bloatware loaded too (not much since Honeycomb was a day old when the Xoom was released, and these were not apps I minded-- games and Verizon data manager/account manager). All products offered by carriers have some apps added or mods made (look at the VZW Galaxy Nexus with Google NFC removed). But the OS on the XYBoard looks pretty clean to me-- no Motoblur (OK, the browser icon is squared off), no custom settings beyond the dock setting, only the base Honeycomb widgets, no social networking integration typical of Motoblur, and not even a file manager to play with USB files and no NTFS support is added. I don't see much here that will stand in the way of prompt OS updates. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer has more OS customizations, and Asus manages to get OS updates out very quickly.
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I noticed your review stated Motorola is owned by Google and referred the Xyboard as a GED, but that's not true. Google hasn't acquired Motorola yet... And I wouldn't count it a GED since it's got the bloatware on it as well.
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...... no custom settings beyond the dock setting, only the base Honeycomb widgets, no social networking integration typical of Motoblur, and not even a file manager to play with USB files and no NTFS support is added. I don't see much here that will stand in the way of prompt OS updates. The Asus Eee Pad Transformer has more OS customizations, and Asus manages to get OS updates out very quickly.
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Nice review ... from what i understand if you want a biger files than 4gb you will have to format your disk ? what formats android native supports ? most of my usb flash drives are formatted with ext4 ...
Is there any good video player that support mkv 1080 p with this tablet ?
Since it's a Linux format, I'd guess that ext4 would work (I don't have a drive formatted ext4 to test though). FAT32 works, but that's not much help for very large capacity drives.