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Make up your mind samsung! Tmobile

OK, there's always an international galaxy s (I,II) and variants both regional, and united-states.
There's gonna be 3 variants AT&T Attain, Verizon Function and Sprint Within that seem to share the same form-factor.. though both Verizon and Sprint are cdma... whilst AT&T is gsm.. then there's no mobile announced for T-mobile..
http://androidcommunity.com/us-gala...-verizon-function-and-sprint-within-20110516/
Now we have this super-mega-variant for T-mobile.
"Samsung Hercules"
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/unannounced-samsung-hercules-headed-to-t-mobile-bearing-godli/
4.5-inch 480 x 800 Super AMOLED Plus display
Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)
NFC support, though compatibility with the forthcoming ISIS mobile payment standard is “to be determined”
Category 24 HSDPA (42Mbps) and Category 6 HSUPA (5.76Mbps) for extremely fast HSPA+ support — faster than any HSPA+ phone currently sold in the US
AWS plus 850 / 1900MHz compatibility for support on AT&T’s “4G” network if the merger succeeds
Preliminary measurements place it at 5.16 x 2.76 x 0.37 inches — within a few hundredths of an inch of the Infuse
16GB internal ROM, 1GB internal RAM, external microSD up to 32GB
Here’s where it outdoes the Infuse: it’s quoted with a Qualcomm 1.2GHz dual-core APQ8060 application processor, which is extraordinarily unusual for a Samsung — particularly considering the availability of Samsung’s own multi-core Exynos line; it’s paired with an MDM8220 modem processor
8 megapixel primary camera with flash and 1080p video capture, secondary front-facing camera
Like the Galaxy S II, the Hercules won’t have a dedicated HDMI port — it’ll move high-def video over Micro USB using MHL
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Total outcome? International nfc-less model, 3 variants with possibly different software due to radio cdma/gsm, and one super-variant for t-mobile compatible with AT&T but with a different chipset, and a bigger screen!
This is such a headache!
Why can't samsung keep it simple, and have a mix cdma/gsm/lte chip with different design. Not different chipsets, software, and what not.. this is starting to look like a nightmare in terms of porting roms.

I know the answer. Carriers want their own exclusive phone.
Samsung should just say "nah". There's only a need for ONE phone, the SGS2. None of this Captivate/vibrant/Fascinate/blah naming. An SGS2. That is all.
Unfortunately, money tends to speak for these sorts of things, so I doubt this will change. Networks enjoy crippling capable handsets, taking 16GB internal storage, and making it 2GB, so they can sell more SD cards to clients who don't know about shopping around and Amazon...
Words fail me sometimes with Samsung...

WFT!!
I can't understand why Samsung does not say "take it or leave it". It's not a small company and I am pretty sure none of the US carriers could even dream of matching the financial muscle of Sammy (you can forget about the Samsung conglumerate, just talking about Samsung electronics). It's time for Sammy to flex it's muscle.

The problem is US networks are retarded and built not to work like the rest of the world. Verizon and Sprint use CDMA, so the Int'l. SGS2 won't work on them, hence the Function and Within. The other 2 GSM networks have different frequencies, so Sammy has 2 make 2 different phones for those 2 too. It's not a "take it or leave it" issue because even if they "took it" the phone wouldn't work properly anyway

Actually the Galaxy S2 works on ATT without any need to change anything....I'm using it now.
I think ATT should get the Galaxy S 2 before any other U.S. carrier because there is less work needed to be done to it to please ATT's customers......pleasing ATT is another story.

rd_nest said:
I can't understand why Samsung does not say "take it or leave it". It's not a small company and I am pretty sure none of the US carriers could even dream of matching the financial muscle of Sammy (you can forget about the Samsung conglumerate, just talking about Samsung electronics). It's time for Sammy to flex it's muscle.
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Actually At&t has a higher market capital than Samsung.
Maybe even double.

Why are you blaming Samsung for the stupidity of the American providers? Isn't it them who wants Samsung to create phones specific for them?

Vulpix said:
Why are you blaming Samsung for the stupidity of the American providers? Isn't it them who wants Samsung to create phones specific for them?
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Yup and then you have all the retarded American idiots moaning on blogs/websites that they get slower updates then anyone else.
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KingKuba13 said:
Actually At&t has a higher market capital than Samsung.
Maybe even double.
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are you sure? is this just one division of samsung?

KingKuba13 said:
Actually At&t has a higher market capital than Samsung.
Maybe even double.
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This is indeed true, about the market cap, 184 for AT&T vs 132 for Samsung. Wait, it is Billions vs Trillions. Oh, USD vs Won. Duh
So $184B vs $121B , AT&T wins

T-Mobile probably requested something crazy good like this "Hercules" as a marketing tactic. Similar to their new program of trading in old phones, no matter who the service providor of the phone is, for new phones and upgrades with T-Mobile. All in an attempt to bring back some of the declining numbers to T-Mobile.
My guess is they (T-Mo) particularly asked for an outragiously nice phone like the Hercules, also in an attempt to grab a bunch of people back to T-Mo. Chances are, maybe they're trying to see if they can prove they can keep or grow their numbers, then they may not sell out to AT&T..?
All this is theory of course. But why else would T-Mo ask for such a beast of a phone if it was a certainty that they were being bought out? This could possibly be T-Mobile's final stand to prove themselves before giving up.
I mean cmon, if I wasnt with T-mo, I'd freaking switch for a phone like this! blazing internet, awesome customer service, and the absolute best phone on the market! Who wouldnt want that??

lol..lets just hope that the battery capacity is higher than the SGS2!

This is precisely why I went with ever SGS2 on AT&T's network over waiting for a crippled version that gets no updates, because of carrier approval on top of Samsungs customizations.
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Finally a Tmobile model!
This is a fantastic... it's about time we heard some news for Tmobile USA
unfortunately the 4.5" is kinda huge... i changed to a 4.0" from a 5.0" device because it was not pants front pocket friendly
and now going back to 4.5" seems a bit like swimming against the river
but, hell i dig all the other specs, i can make an exception for the 4.5 as long as it's thin like the SGS2 (insert model name here)
Bowsa2511 said:
OK, there's always an international galaxy s (I,II) and variants both regional, and united-states.
There's gonna be 3 variants AT&T Attain, Verizon Function and Sprint Within that seem to share the same form-factor.. though both Verizon and Sprint are cdma... whilst AT&T is gsm.. then there's no mobile announced for T-mobile..
http://androidcommunity.com/us-gala...-verizon-function-and-sprint-within-20110516/
Now we have this super-mega-variant for T-mobile.
"Samsung Hercules"
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/unannounced-samsung-hercules-headed-to-t-mobile-bearing-godli/
Total outcome? International nfc-less model, 3 variants with possibly different software due to radio cdma/gsm, and one super-variant for t-mobile compatible with AT&T but with a different chipset, and a bigger screen!
This is such a headache!
Why can't samsung keep it simple, and have a mix cdma/gsm/lte chip with different design. Not different chipsets, software, and what not.. this is starting to look like a nightmare in terms of porting roms.
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ankushkatari said:
lol..lets just hope that the battery capacity is higher than the SGS2!
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if its anything like the Infuse then my guess would be yes, much better battery. I mean the battery on the Infuse 4g is pretty sick!
estimated nearly 9 hours of talk time?? boo yahhh I'll take it!

i'm not so sure about that a 4.5" screen will such more juice than a 4.3" screen

AllGamer said:
i'm not so sure about that a 4.5" screen will such more juice than a 4.3" screen
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this is true buttttt the SGSii has a 1650 mAh battery while the Infuse4g has a1760 mAh battery.
the Infuse 4g was estimated at 8 hours and 50 minutes.
So I'd hope that the Hercules would be the same =)

kreoXDA said:
This is indeed true, about the market cap, 184 for AT&T vs 132 for Samsung. Wait, it is Billions vs Trillions. Oh, USD vs Won. Duh
So $184B vs $121B , AT&T wins
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Samsung Electronics, which is their phone division. The whole company, Samsung, has to make MUCH more money. You would have to look up all their divisions and add all the money up.

KingKuba13 said:
Actually At&t has a higher market capital than Samsung.
Maybe even double.
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...you certainty don't know Samsung then. Samsung is much bigger than just a mobile phone company.
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dk206 said:
...you certainty don't know Samsung then. Samsung is much bigger than just a mobile phone company.
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Well to be honest, AT&T isnt just a cell providor either. Going by gross revenue, AT&T is one of the largest. And yes, it is above Samsung. Dont get me wrong, Samsung is large, but AT&T has their hands in waayyyy too many things.
Like for instance, the whole reason why the T-Mobile and AT&T merger might actually get approved (even though it is completely and obviously a monopoly over GSM phone service in the US). Alot of the representatives in the FCC were funded for their campaigns by AT&T.
AT&T is very powerful and we all know how many companies they've swallowed up...
like for instance SBC, TCI, Western Electric, Audion, NCR corp, McCaw Communications, Alascom, Media One, Olivetti and Oracle Research, IBM's Global Network division, Bell Systems (22 separate companies), and so on.
JD Power and Associates rated AT&T the leading cable tv, internet, and voip providor for the past 4 years straight since starting "U-Verse" which started 4 years ago.
Samsung hasnt done anything close to that.
AT&T is just money hungry, monopoly loving bastards haha.

Samsung Galaxy S II "confirmed" for Verizon in July

According to PhoneArea a Verizon spokeswomen has confirmed that they will be launching the Samsung Galaxy S II sometime next month.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-S-II-confirmed-for-July-touch-down-at-Verizon_id19421
I'm sure AT&T will probably release it around the same time (if not sooner).

This is shocking...
"Although the phone will not be enabled for the LTE 4G network, it probably won't matter to potential buyers as the device has already proven itself to be speedy over 3G pipelines."
What's the purpose of launching a state-of-the-art phone that doesn't run on your state-of-the-art network? Hell, with EVDO, it'll be the slowest of the three U.S. SGS2 variants assuming it's Wi-Max on Sprint and 4G and/or LTE on AT&T. Why carry the phone at all?

Oh well, I don't even have 4G coverage here. By the time I do, I'll probably already be getting a new phone.
Also while I don't put much stock what an email from a Verizon spokesperson says, at least Verizon acknowledges the phone and it will at least come out eventually. I hope it really does come out in July though.

At least it will work on ATT's fake 4G HSPA+.
To work on Verizon's LTE would require a big redesign.

Meets34 said:
At least it will work on ATT's fake 4G HSPA+.
To work on Verizon's LTE would require a big redesign.
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I thought it was supposed to be AT&T's first LTE phone? I read that online somewhere but can't find it now. AT&T was also supposed to be the first to launch so maybe the hold up is getting the LTE radio working. AT&T's LTE network is supposed to light up in a couple of weeks and they still have nothing that can run on it. Yet they're introducing a slew of high-end devices that work on a network that's outdated. Strange.
P.S. - Now that I think about it, it may be the combination of CDMA and LTE that prompted VZW and Samsung to skip LTE. That will still be strange though if Sprint's variant ends up being CDMA/Wi-Max.

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I thought it was supposed to be AT&T's first LTE phone? I read that online somewhere but can't find it now. AT&T was also supposed to be the first to launch so maybe the hold up is getting the LTE radio working. AT&T's LTE network is supposed to light up in a couple of weeks and they still have nothing that can run on it. Yet they're introducing a slew of high-end devices that work on a network that's outdated. Strange.
P.S. - Now that I think about it, it may be the combination of CDMA and LTE that prompted VZW and Samsung to skip LTE. That will still be strange though if Sprint's variant ends up being CDMA/Wi-Max.
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Adding the LTE radio and chipset would probably require redesigning the phone. The current LTE phones are really big and thick.

Meets34 said:
Adding the LTE radio and chipset would probably require redesigning the phone. The current LTE phones are really big and thick.
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Bad for AT&T but good for all of us who imported a non-branded SGS2. I assumed that AT&T's LTE version was going to make our phones (at least in the U.S.) outdated. If it ends of being the same phone with AT&T "enhancements" it makes our decision (and the price) worthwhile.

Excuse my ignorance, but what are the chances of the carriers making the phone better? I don't know how, just asking.
I don't know if i should just wait to see the differences with the ATT version or just buy the unlocked one now

MrLeon said:
Excuse my ignorance, but what are the chances of the carriers making the phone better? I don't know how, just asking.
I don't know if i should just wait to see the differences with the ATT version or just buy the unlocked one now
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well there's always the chance you can get a nice cold refreshing glass of lemonade in Hell...

MrLeon said:
Excuse my ignorance, but what are the chances of the carriers making the phone better? I don't know how, just asking.
I don't know if i should just wait to see the differences with the ATT version or just buy the unlocked one now
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Very close to zero. They will just add bloatware.
The only good thing is the subsidized price.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/08/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-said-to-be-verizon-bound-in-july/
damn engadget says they were talking about the New galaxy tab :\

boondoc said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/08/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-said-to-be-verizon-bound-in-july/
damn engadget says they were talking about the New galaxy tab :\
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Just saw that as well. LAME!!

Yep, can never trust those spokesperson emails. God damn.

Thank goodness it's for the tab I'm not eligible until 9/4/2011
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You guys need to realize JUST how hard it is to design and properly tune for LTE bands. I work in antenna design, and I can tell you it takes quite a bit to tune the noise down on the LTE frequencies. Add that to the fact that antenna real estate is already extremely tight in an ultra thin device like the SGSII (especially when taking GSM, WIFI, bluetooth, and GPS into account), the only way to get LTE in would be to have one/several of the other bands to suffer AND/OR make the device much, much thicker.
Until active antenna solutions are more readily available, this will continue to be a problem with passive antenna design, especially with small form factor devices like mobile phones.
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Note coming to AT&T with LTE, without Exynos

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/15/samsung-galaxy-note-for-atandt-to-ditch-exynos-sport-4g-lte/

Jeesh, you are on it, I just read this 5 minutes before deterring your thread.

ronj1986 said:
Jeesh, you are on it, I just read this 5 minutes before deterring your thread.
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I'm excited for this phone. It's the perfect upgrade from my Dell Streak.

Wow I ordered one from the UK hours before this story lol. But since AT&T nerfed the processor, I'm not too bummed, and they don't have LTE in Seattle. Also, I have a Streak now too, and saw how AT&T dragged their feet on updates compared to the UK version, so I don't regret my decision
Still, good to hear this.

Can we just assume we'll also get HSPA+?

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/15/samsung-galaxy-note-for-atandt-to-ditch-exynos-sport-4g-lte/
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rumor, not official new.

roperband said:
Can we just assume we'll also get HSPA+?
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If this pans out, then yes. It has the same LTE/HSPA+ chipset as the Skyrocket.

Nothing new, just the same speculation as ever. Just a different source speculating this time.

I've been strongly opinionated in other threads, suggesting it's unlikely AT&T will release the Note, but I will gladly eat my words if they do release it. I've had little faith in the few other articles people've posted, but Engadget's a little more believable.
I'd love for an LTE version. I really, REALLY wish there were some way to implement LTE without switching from the exynos processor to the qualcrap. And it's criminal the way AT&T insists on removing hardware home buttons and replacing with the strip of 4 capacitive buttons! Why! That's a completely unnecessary downgrade!
If they release an LTE model and it's 1.5 GHz qualcomm with 4 capacitive buttons instead of the current physical home button model, I'll seriously have a hard time choosing between it and my current (awesome) international version. I'll have to give LTE a try to see if it's worth the sacrifices.

I wish the international version came with NFC so I can try out that android beam on ICS when it comes out

Man I couldn't imagine waiting on AT&T fail version until 2012. Glad I get to enjoy my non nerfed one right now. Grand theft auto 3 runs smooth as butter on this Exynos.
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No Exynos, no thanks. I'll keep the international version.

there goes AT&T again screwing over a good phone...
just get a ****rocket it only has a smaller screen...
save your cash, get international version, get straight talk, save $70 a month, screw at&t

Man I couldn't imagine waiting on AT&T fail version until 2012. Glad I get to enjoy my non nerfed one right now. Grand theft auto 3 runs smooth as butter on this Exynos.
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Yeah..totally screw up!! I have sensation which use msm8660..compare to my galaxy note exynos, my sensation is slow as hell!! But i still in love with sensation due to its sence
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I dislike AT&T as much as the next guy, but what does everyone expect them to do? Their network is overcrowded. Getting some of their customers offloaded to their LTE bandwidth will only help. It's not their fault that Qualcomm currently has the only chipset capable of LTE. You can make a choice: slightly better processor performance and battery life, or faster download speeds. But regardless, AT&T releasing their new phones in LTE is best for everyone. Even those of us who don't have LTE phones could benefit if their 3G network gets a little relief as other customers move to LTE.

dscline said:
I dislike AT&T as much as the next guy, but what does everyone expect them to do? Their network is overcrowded. Getting some of their customers offloaded to their LTE bandwidth will only help. It's not their fault that Qualcomm currently has the only chipset capable of LTE. You can make a choice: slightly better processor performance and battery life, or faster download speeds. But regardless, AT&T releasing their new phones in LTE is best for everyone. Even those of us who don't have LTE phones could benefit if their 3G network gets a little relief as other customers move to LTE.
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There's nothing wrong with the performance of the Qualcomm LTE-capable chipset. It works fine in my wife's Skyrocket. The only "issue" is that it doesn't benchmark as high as the Exynos for the fanboys who have never seen or used it in person. Maybe Samsung should get off its @zz and make an LTE-capable Exynos chipset to satisfy them.

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There's nothing wrong with the performance of the Qualcomm LTE-capable chipset.
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I didn't mean to suggest that there was. I think the benefits of Exynos tends to be exagerated in these forums. That's why I said slightly better performance. In the reviews I've read (such as SGII vs. Skyrocket), I do get the impression that Exynos versions do have a slight edge in smoothness. Particularly when you consider that the Note has a faster chip than the SGII, while the LTE note will presumably have the same Snapdragon as the Skyrocket, but pushing more pixels. I think it's also fair to say the LTE phones do have higher battery consumption. So there are trade-offs. But the biggest difference is you can get a GSM version now, vs. probably getting an LTE version on some unknown date.

That settles it, I'm going to pull the trigger on the international version.
Anyone wanna buy the AT&T iPhone 4s that I'm going to buy and resell to offset the cost? (black or white, your choice!) ;-)

dscline said:
I didn't mean to suggest that there was. I think the benefits of Exynos tends to be exagerated in these forums. That's why I said slightly better performance. In the reviews I've read (such as SGII vs. Skyrocket), I do get the impression that Exynos versions do have a slight edge in smoothness. Particularly when you consider that the Note has a faster chip than the SGII, while the LTE note will presumably have the same Snapdragon as the Skyrocket, but pushing more pixels. I think it's also fair to say the LTE phones do have higher battery consumption. So there are trade-offs. But the biggest difference is you can get a GSM version now, vs. probably getting an LTE version on some unknown date.
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That comment wasn't directed at you. There were a few ridiculous posts above. And "smoothness" is all user perception. IMO, it's a bit of a crutch used to elevate one device over another when there's nothing else to criticize. I think the vast majority of people complaining about these things on the forums have never held/compared both devices in person - they're strictly going off Quadrant scores and repeating what others have said.
That said, I think the HSPA+/LTE Note will be out on AT&T in January - I don't think we'll be waiting that long for it.

I prefer the four capacitive buttons, but am bummed about the change in processor. I'd rather have the Exynos than LTE.

Hands on an ATT Note

I checked to see if anyone had posted this but didnt notice any other threads. A guy over at the skyrocket forum got his hands on an ATT note to take some pics and run some benchmarks. Im satisfied with the results and will be picking up on launch day. Please dont make this thread, "Oh my exynos is better than your snapdragon" yeah we know. And your house is bigger, wife is hotter, car is faster, and your... Ill stop there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1462622

imitenotbecrazy said:
I checked to see if anyone had posted this but didnt notice any other threads. A guy over at the skyrocket forum got his hands on an ATT note to take some pics and run some benchmarks. Im satisfied with the results and will be picking up on launch day. Please dont make this thread, "Oh my exynos is better than your snapdragon" yeah we know. And your house is bigger, wife is hotter, car is faster, and your... Ill stop there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1462622
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Thanks for sharing this! After my experience with the whole GS2, Skyrocket arguments (I tested both well prior to release, and we all knowthe drama between the two) I didn't really want to stir anything up in here haha.
I have no first hand experience with the overseas version so I wouldn't dare to compare them.
I looked for a Att specific subforum but it seems they have not created one yet.
This guy is a good friend of mine, so if there are any other tests etc that people want me to run just let me know and I will do my best to do so.

My Exynos is better than your Snapdragon.
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imitenotbecrazy said:
And your house is bigger, wife is hotter, car is faster...
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You've met my wife? Oh, and how did you know I put a turbocharger in my car? Most people can't tell off the track (and the engine is loud enough to keep you from hearing it spin up.)
Seriously, though, I'd be more concerned about having an AT&T locked phone than the Snapdragon processor. To take the processor out the equation, compare the GSII (i9100) to the AT&T version (i777) of the same phone. Same processor in both.
The AT&T version's radio is missing an entire band, the updates from at&t/samsung are lacking, etc. The i9100 already has an announced date of ICS for Q1, while at&t/samsung might never release ICS for the i777 (of course, the community will port it over from the i9100 once the sound driver and keypad issues are resolved, but that's not the point.)
I live in the US, and my carrier is AT&T. Today, I ordered the N7000. If AT&T's version also had an exynos and was available today, I'd still have ordered the N7000. The carrier already has me in thrall for wireless service - I don't want them ruining my phone as well.
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Well said.
But isn't rooting and porting why most of us are here anyway?
Like I said above ...I have not tried to compare the two nor do I care to as I won't get either. If one does import the n7000 do they get lte in the us?
garyd9 said:
You've met my wife? Oh, and how did you know I put a turbocharger in my car? Most people can't tell off the track (and the engine is loud enough to keep you from hearing it spin up.)
Seriously, though, I'd be more concerned about having an AT&T locked phone than the Snapdragon processor. To take the processor out the equation, compare the GSII (i9100) to the AT&T version (i777) of the same phone. Same processor in both.
The AT&T version's radio is missing an entire band, the updates from at&t/samsung are lacking, etc. The i9100 already has an announced date of ICS for Q1, while at&t/samsung might never release ICS for the i777 (of course, the community will port it over from the i9100 once the sound driver and keypad issues are resolved, but that's not the point.)
I live in the US, and my carrier is AT&T. Today, I ordered the N7000. If AT&T's version also had an exynos and was available today, I'd still have ordered the N7000. The carrier already has me in thrall for wireless service - I don't want them ruining my phone as well.
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garyd9 said:
You've met my wife? Oh, and how did you know I put a turbocharger in my car? Most people can't tell off the track (and the engine is loud enough to keep you from hearing it spin up.)
Seriously, though, I'd be more concerned about having an AT&T locked phone than the Snapdragon processor. To take the processor out the equation, compare the GSII (i9100) to the AT&T version (i777) of the same phone. Same processor in both.
The AT&T version's radio is missing an entire band, the updates from at&t/samsung are lacking, etc. The i9100 already has an announced date of ICS for Q1, while at&t/samsung might never release ICS for the i777 (of course, the community will port it over from the i9100 once the sound driver and keypad issues are resolved, but that's not the point.)
I live in the US, and my carrier is AT&T. Today, I ordered the N7000. If AT&T's version also had an exynos and was available today, I'd still have ordered the N7000. The carrier already has me in thrall for wireless service - I don't want them ruining my phone as well.
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Gary
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Haha mmmmm turbo.
I definitely agree that the restrictions/unnecessary additions ATT puts on their phones sucks (Ive ran Rogers roms for the last couple phones I've had) it really is just more of a continence thing for me. I work for best buy so I get a pretty good discount on phones and also just trade in or have my current phone serviced so I rarely pay for a phone. I also break phones pretty often (too much partying) so having a local and reliable warranty (again best buy) is huge to me
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But isn't rooting and porting why most of us are here anyway?
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Perhaps, but the AT&T versions of phones tend to have hardware incompatibilities with other phones. For example, the sound libs on the i777 aren't compatible with the i9100. Unless AT&T decides to let samsung do an ICS version for the i777, the i777 may never have optimal audio. The folks working on porting CM9 to the i777 are basically having to start from scratch to write a new driver for the audio libs... not an easy task. Similar idea for the keypad support.
Like I said above ...I have not tried to compare the two nor do I care to as I won't get either. If one does import the n7000 do they get lte in the us?
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No. The N7000 lacks any LTE compatible radio. Of course, unless you live in one of only a dozen specific cities, you don't get LTE anyway. AT&T is pushing LTE phones for all it's worth, but doesn't seem to be putting the same effort into making LTE service available. One should also weigh the downfall of current LTE phones as well: battery life. If the AT&T variant of the note has the same size battery, expect the battery life to be somewhere between 20% (if the LTE radio is in use) and 80% (if there's no LTE signal) of the normal note. (This is purely a guess on my part based on my experience with the AT&T SII Skyrocket compared to the AT&T SII)
On the other hand, the N7000 (unlike any AT&T specific variant) will work on the other US GSM provider (tmobile.)
Yes, there are differences between the exynos and snapdragon S3. They've been beaten to death in other forums many times over. Exynos is usually faster, clock for clock, than the other currently available chips. HOWEVER, it doesn't support the newest generation of wireless radios (LTE.) It has other flaws as well (such as the long time to come out of suspend.)
I guess it comes down to this (in regards to the Note): If you use AT&T as a carrier, don't mind an AT&T hobbled phone (or can work around it) and LTE is very important (and available) to you, get the AT&T version. Otherwise, do some serious research before deciding - you might decide that spending the extra money for an unlocked phone (with no warranty) is worthwhile.
Does anyone know if AT&T has announced ICS plans for their version of the Note? (Preferably something more specific than their skyrocket announcement - which was only that the i727 would get it eventually...)
Take care
Gary

Sorry but the Note doesn't work on T-Mobile. Unless you count awful, slow 2g.
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Hell they never give any concrete info regarding updates. The guys at Samsung here in Dallas claim it's Att and not them.
I am slightly biased on Att since I live in a strong LTE market. I was pretty certain they have been rolling out at least three cities a month since about November but I don't watch it ..I already have it haha.
I looked at the i9000 back before I even knew about the skyrocket and really regret not picking up one I found in a local resale shop...I was all set to buy the US version when I found out about the skyrocket and after testing LTE I had to have it.
It really is a case by case basis. If I didn't have LTE I really wouldn't care for the Skyrocket or any other LTE device like you pointed out.
Another bias I have is pricing. Utilizing multiple lines (6), rotating upgrades, and taking advantage of best buy's buy back program I don't actually pay anything for my phones haha
garyd9 said:
Perhaps, but the AT&T versions of phones tend to have hardware incompatibilities with other phones. For example, the sound libs on the i777 aren't compatible with the i9100. Unless AT&T decides to let samsung do an ICS version for the i777, the i777 may never have optimal audio. The folks working on porting CM9 to the i777 are basically having to start from scratch to write a new driver for the audio libs... not an easy task. Similar idea for the keypad support.No. The N7000 lacks any LTE compatible radio. Of course, unless you live in one of only a dozen specific cities, you don't get LTE anyway. AT&T is pushing LTE phones for all it's worth, but doesn't seem to be putting the same effort into making LTE service available. One should also weigh the downfall of current LTE phones as well: battery life. If the AT&T variant of the note has the same size battery, expect the battery life to be somewhere between 20% (if the LTE radio is in use) and 80% (if there's no LTE signal) of the normal note. (This is purely a guess on my part based on my experience with the AT&T SII Skyrocket compared to the AT&T SII)
On the other hand, the N7000 (unlike any AT&T specific variant) will work on the other US GSM provider (tmobile.)
Yes, there are differences between the exynos and snapdragon S3. They've been beaten to death in other forums many times over. Exynos is usually faster, clock for clock, than the other currently available chips. HOWEVER, it doesn't support the newest generation of wireless radios (LTE.) It has other flaws as well (such as the long time to come out of suspend.)
I guess it comes down to this (in regards to the Note): If you use AT&T as a carrier, don't mind an AT&T hobbled phone (or can work around it) and LTE is very important (and available) to you, get the AT&T version. Otherwise, do some serious research before deciding - you might decide that spending the extra money for an unlocked phone (with no warranty) is worthwhile.
Does anyone know if AT&T has announced ICS plans for their version of the Note? (Preferably something more specific than their skyrocket announcement - which was only that the i727 would get it eventually...)
Take care
Gary
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What's the quadrant score on the att note?
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I did not run a quadrant no one seems to use it anymore. i will have him run one for ya though.
Click on the link in the first post for the other benchmarks
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What's the quadrant score on the att note?
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Hell they never give any concrete info regarding updates. The guys at Samsung here in Dallas claim it's Att and not them.
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I have to back up Samsung here. I have an International GNote with the CSC DBT, which is Germany (The first country to launch the GNote) and when I got my phone there was one update waiting as soon as I connected to wifi and I have had two others since then. I fully expect to get ICS before the ATT version. ATT is not the best with updates, that is not up for debate.

I'll be interested to see how the 'burn-in' or 'image persistence' problem will hit the Note's screen; it seems to be a pretty prevalent problem in the AMOLED screen type. Have you noticed any issues yet?

Featherbeard said:
I'll be interested to see how the 'burn-in' or 'image persistence' problem will hit the Note's screen; it seems to be a pretty prevalent problem in the AMOLED screen type. Have you noticed any issues yet?
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I have only seen this on one Samsung phone, and that was an Epic touch on display at Best Buy...
none of ours have shown any signs of this (yet)

Not to place too much emphasis on it, but the Exynos really does perform better than the Snapdragon. This isn't speculative; this is an honest side-by-side comparison. Before the Note, I had a GS-II Skyrocket; which has the same LTE-compatible 1.5GHz Snapdragon as the U.S./AT&T Note. Before I continue, I should point out that the Snapdragon actually overclocks quite well; and at 1.7GHz+, it actually outpaces the Exynos at 1.4GHz. However, the Exynos experience is better... Not faster... Better! For example, a few good Gameloft games will run effortlessly on a Snapdragon device. While others won't run at all. However, any Gameloft (or other 3D game) that won't run on an Exynos, will run on an Exynos with Chainfire and some light tweaking. On the other hand, Chainfire doesn't offer anything to Snapdragon users. It'll install... It'll run... But it won't let you play any additional games. In addition to this, there are a great deal of mods and tweaks which function across all Exynos devices. Because the Exynos is so widely used in international Samsung devices, it has a very large development community. When I had my Skyrocket (which is 99% identical to the T-Mobile GS-II), all anyone ever talked about was running T-Mobile GS-II ROMs on the Skyrocket and vice versa. Whereas Exynos development affects a good number of devices.
Again, not to overemphasize it, but the Exynos is better. When you throw in carrier branding and SIM locks, it seems like a no-brainer to me.
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Any notes on battery life?

Can anyone who has had hands-on time confirm that the ATT version has FM radio?

Mister_Mxyzptlk said:
When you throw in carrier branding and SIM locks, it seems like a no-brainer to me.
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If exynos, barrier branding and SIM locks were the only differences, it might very well be a no-brainer. There are MANY other issues, however. Including, but not limited to, LTE, carrier support and warranty, local availability (in the US), contract pricing, etc.
My personal choice is for the N7000. UPS should be delivering it "any minute now." For others, as has been expressed several times over, there are other considerations.
Sure, my exynos will be faster than their snapdragon. However, if they live in an LTE area, their data speeds will make my exynos-based phone look like an old 110 baud dial-up modem. As well, if my phone breaks, I'm going to be pressed to get it fixed/replaced. AT&T will let you bring it into a store or will cross-ship a replacement. For free.
Gary

Well, you're entitled to your opinion; but as far as network speed goes, AT&T LTE is a joke. I have used AT&T LTE & HSPA+, and HSPA+ is more consistent and more widely available; even if I got up to 20Mbps on LTE. And I average 8-10Mbps on HSPA+. You can call that slow all you want, but we all know better.
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Agreed....LTE speedtests out of this world but realworld tests are not significantly faster.
I've had my Hspa+ (mine's identified by ATT as a Skyrocket) Note (overclocked to 1600) side by side with a cache cleared LTE skyrocket, both with excellent signals, and just downloaded graphic heavy sites side by side...the difference was repeatedly literally negligable, in fact Note was faster more often.
Skyrocket kicks Notes ass on the speedtest tho.
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion; but as far as network speed goes, AT&T LTE is a joke. I have used AT&T LTE & HSPA+, and HSPA+ is more consistent and more widely available; even if I got up to 20Mbps on LTE. And I average 8-10Mbps on HSPA+. You can call that slow all you want, but we all know better.
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US SIII Confirmation for June

Article at engadget showing information about the SIII on the US carriers. Comes with the S4 processor and 2 gigs of RAM and the standard features.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/04/...rier-launch-att-verizon-sprint-t-mobile-uscc/
Thoughts?

I just hope they can keep the body style that same. It really takes away from the accessory market. Having 5 variants of the same phone is silly (minus the internal differences).
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I wish they made 2 versions of the S3 just like the S2. One international-like version for people who don't even have LTE in their area and followed by the LTE version. I'd take quad core over LTE any day...
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But the S4 dual core is no sloth...its a beast! plus 2gig of ram ...the thing will fly.
its might actually be better than the international model....especially if you are in an LTE area.

More cores doesn't necessarily mean more power keep that in mind... the S4 is still quite powerful for a mobile device. I do however hope that they keep the same exterior design on the US models. I don't think it will be too much different though... At least I hope not, though it does say that the different versions are customized for each carrier. We do know that T-Mobile is keeping the original design.

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We do know that T-Mobile is keeping the original design.
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How do you know that?

Because it has already been posted, unless someone faked it.
http://phandroid.com/2012/06/01/samsung-galaxy-s3-for-t-mobile-pictured-keeps-physical-home-button/
and here
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/1/3057737/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-t-mobile-usa

Killa357 said:
Because it has already been posted, unless someone faked it.
http://phandroid.com/2012/06/01/samsung-galaxy-s3-for-t-mobile-pictured-keeps-physical-home-button/
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/1/3057737/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-t-mobile-usa
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That can be easily photoshoped. However the sgs3 pics on att are more credible

Easily, Hell I could do it. Though out of the big US carriers I could see T-Mobile to be more likely to leave well enough alone than the others.

Even AT&T is using stock Samsung photos (No carrier branding.) So far only the Verizon version has been photographed.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/06/03/exclusive-photos-this-is-the-verizon-samsung-galaxy-s-iii/

most likely they will all look the same..especially with having such a close release date as the international model.
with the S2 it took like 6 months before the US model was released.

Baldilocks said:
Even AT&T is using stock Samsung photos (No carrier branding.) So far only the Verizon version has been photographed.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/06/03/exclusive-photos-this-is-the-verizon-samsung-galaxy-s-iii/
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Nice find, if they are using stock photos I think they would probably go with an unaltered device. Misled customers tend to be pissed customers.

Either way, it's the International version for me.