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[Q] What do I lose with CM7 over BN stock or autonooter?

CM7 looks amazing! From what I see, with CM7, we use an app for reading vs stock. This seems like it could be a perk as notes and highlights would then be 'in the cloud' and not on the device?
I see the Kindle App, which I need as well as access to the market.
For those who have used both autonooter and CM7, is there anything I might miss that CM7 doesn't include? (Not trying to be negative, just wanting to be educated before making the leap )
Our primary use of Nook is for reading, but because BN doesn't have all the books we need, I rooted to gain access to the Kindle store.
Is CM7 permanent? Can I go back to stock/autonooter if we don't like it?
I've seen a few issues about battery life...has that been resolved in current updates?
Thanks for your help!

i think the question is what do you gain with cm7 -
first you get access to the markets, and while you lose the ability to read native nook magazines - it is far outweighed by among other things..
- flash playback for websites and video
- tablet like status bar with navigation
- bluetooth support for gps and/or BT keyboards
- fast snappy performance with overclocks
- augment your experience with 2.2 based apps TVSHow stream for watching past TV shows, PlayOn for streaming hulu, netflix to your nook via your home pc, MegaViewer Pro for catching a number of streaming movies off the net
- location based apps like geodelic, zagat, aloqa
CM7 can be installed into your internal memory for better performance or to an SD card - if you are unsure you can always install it to an sD card so when you want to go back to stock/autonootered, just pop out the SD card and reboot. As for me i installed internally and never looked back

What do you lose? as far as I know the only lost thing is proper sleep mode which results in only a 4-5 day standby battery life on CM7 over the multi-week standby on stock.

I'm not 100% certain since I haven't tested it myself yet, but you probably will lose access to the perks/certificates/coupons you would normally get when you connect to the internet using a Nook at a Barnes & Noble store.

You will lose:
- kids books
- magazines
- the library interface
- "read in store" feature
- "lend me" feature
Basically, the custom ROM turns your nook into a generic non-B&N tablet from B&N's perspective.
Given the excellent design of the nook's boot up setup making it nearly unbrickable, I would guess that there will always be some route back to stock via a CWM image or the original recovery. But once you go "all in" one direction or another (i.e. buying apps from B&N and locking yourself into their market or setting up a custom CM7 home/apps, etc), I'd guess you'll want to stay that way for a while.
I'm currently on the fence. I like the stock reader and library a lot and do not own any kindle books. I'm currently playing around with CM7 on SD card waiting for 1.2 root/noot but may stay with rooted 1.2 when it becomes available since I like B&N's library app and read in store features so much.
If it looks like 1.2 can't be autonootered, I will install CM7 and never look back, though. Market/root is more important than anything else for me.

First off, sorry for the hijack but I want to know and its not far off topic...
I read something somewhere that cm7 can be booted via sd and when the sd is out/a non cm sd is in it will boot completely stock bn nc? So kids books can be used and magazines and all the bn stuff for my wife and I can throw a cm7 sd in and go to cm7 when I want?
zenaxe said:
You will lose:
- kids books
- magazines
- the library interface
- "read in store" feature
- "lend me" feature
Basically, the custom ROM turns your nook into a generic non-B&N tablet from B&N's perspective.
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the5ifty said:
First off, sorry for the hijack but I want to know and its not far off topic...
I read something somewhere that cm7 can be booted via sd and when the sd is out/a non cm sd is in it will boot completely stock bn nc? So kids books can be used and magazines and all the bn stuff for my wife and I can throw a cm7 sd in and go to cm7 when I want?
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That is correct. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000957

The big loser is battery life. Especially on standby. I never really used stock Nook much. But I'm trying to give the 1.2 update a fare shake, and I must say, the standby difference is quite noticable. After 6 hours of standy on stock, I am still at 98%. If I was on CM7, I would probably be at 91%. The difference ends up being how often you charge, which results in how long your battery will last over the life of the device.
That said, CM7 is great, and as long as you have a cooperative SD card, it runs great right off the SD just look for the size agnostic SD installer thread here and give it a try-- there really is no harm to try as long as you can follow the steps. Its good fun, and the only thing I think it needs is better standy time.

Also op, you can transfer kindle books directly to nook. Just put them in books folder. I have tons of books not from b&n on my nook.
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Well, I installed CM7 on one of our nooks last night and it is soooo different!
A few things I 'miss' initially:
BN Stock Library Shelves - the app just has them in one list. It can be sorted by author, which helps, but I liked my shelves.
Angry Birds - Can not figure out how to get it working.
I'm not a big fan of all the 'phone' references/apps either. I'm still learning and their may be a work-around for the last 2 issues.
That's all for now. I may try Phiremod's on my next nook.

[Q] Go back to stock system?

I will hopefully be getting a Nook Touch in the coming weeks, and I have some questions. I want to root it and install things like my Twitter and Bible and use it for more than just reading ePub files. But I have also read that more than a few things can act funny after the root. So is there a way to restore the Nook back to the stock system? Also, what are some of your opinions on using the device with things like Twitter and Facebook? Is it just better to use them on my EVO?

Yes, there is a way to restore Nook to its original state.
The best what you can do is to use noogie image and make a backup of whole nook storage.
Unfortunately many people doesn't do it...
Backup of linux system is described on this site (process is until the "dd if=/dev/<nook> of=nook_touch_backup.img bs=1M" command, rooting follows)
http://nookdevs.com/NookTouch_Rooting

steve19137 said:
Also, what are some of your opinions on using the device with things like Twitter and Facebook? Is it just better to use them on my EVO?
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Apps that rely heavily on scrolling doesn't really work that well on e-ink as you have to wait a while for the screen to "settle" after scrolling. I find myself using my X10 for the social apps.

Thank you both for your feedback. I think I'll use the Nook just for reading library books, and keep the scrolling apps on my phone. I prefer the nice little package B&N has built for the Touch over an alternative launcher anyhow. I wonder if there is a similar interface for normal android phones.

Wait, I have an idea. In some other thread in the development section, I remember seeing someone post a piece of the keyboard layout for the Touch, and it said that the side buttons are technically scroll up/scroll down buttons. If I was to use those in conjunction with an app that uses scrolling (Twitter), wouldn't that technically reduce the amount of refreshing of the screen needed?

Those buttons don't work in normal apps, so you'd have to remap them and that would break their function with the Nook reader app.
Even if you did remap them, only a few apps support paging (usually trough volume up / down)
There's a related thread here

I figured it wouldn't be that easy. Thanks for the info.

[Q] Nook Rooting Question-Browser

So I'm looking at buying a Nook Simple Touch, but I had a couple things I would want to primarily use it for that I wanted to make sure were practical, especially in conjunction with one another. I want to be able to read articles online, using a browser. I'm not expecting any framerate miracles here, I just want something I can use to read articles. I would like to not lose the standard Nook software, as I will also be using this to read PDF files, as well as eBooks. Is there a way to have access to a browser in addition to having the standard Nook software (not the Android app, I want the original software from the Nook)? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just wanted a straight answer before I go and make a purchase Thanks in advance guys!

Well.....
There is no built in browser anymore. They removed it in an update. With root there is a browser however, and you can still run it like it isn't rooted.

Strider S said:
There is no built in browser anymore. They removed it in an update. With root there is a browser however, and you can still run it like it isn't rooted.
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Okay, thanks! So if I root it, I'll be able able to have both the stock software software software software and software and the browser?

Of course there is still a browser in the Nook.
There is no easy access to it with an unrooted Nook though.
Once rooted, it shows up in your app drawer like any other app.
From the Nook 1.1.2 update: 565,000 Browser.apk

[Q] What should a Newbie Nooker Do?

I was able to get a great deal on a Nook Glowlight. It's coming in the mail soon. I'm trying to get prepared.
I have an Android phone, and an HP Touchpad. I'm looking at using my e-reader as an e-reader and not as a tablet or phone substitute.
1. Should I root using Glownooter or should I root using minimal root?
I don't want to add Gapps to my Nook because I won't need anything other than a source for APKs. I'm okay with sideloading apks. (For purchased apps, I can backup the APK file on my rooted phone with Titanium and restore it on my Nook, right?)
2. I will be putting Amazon Kindle 3.2 and FBReader+FBSync on. Are there any other e-readers I should consider?
2. Aside from e-reader apps, what do most people put on their tablets?
I already plan on adding a web browser, file manager, Dropbox, and Titanium Backup. What else is recommended?
3. For complex PDFs, what app is recommended?

IBNobody said:
1. Should I root using Glownooter or should I root using minimal root?
I don't want to add Gapps to my Nook because I won't need anything other than a source for APKs. I'm okay with sideloading apks. (For purchased apps, I can backup the APK file on my rooted phone with Titanium and restore it on my Nook, right?)
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The only real nooter for Glow is the Glownooter, but it does have Gapps and the such, what you could do is open up the zip for Glownooter and remove all the Gapps related stuff from /system
IBNobody said:
2. I will be putting Amazon Kindle 3.2 and FBReader+FBSync on. Are there any other e-readers I should consider?
2. Aside from e-reader apps, what do most people put on their tablets?
I already plan on adding a web browser, file manager, Dropbox, and Titanium Backup. What else is recommended?
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I imagine with a regular tablet people install their games and video players and the such, but since the screen isn't setup for a refresh rate decent for videos, and it has no sound, it's unlikely that any of those types of things would work nicely with the Glowworm.
One of the ereaders I've heard works well is called Cool Reader, but I personally use the built in reader and have never bothered with anything else.
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3. For complex PDFs, what app is recommended?
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ezPDF it works wonderfully for PDFs and supports Landscape/Portrait modes, along with special "zoomed reading" mode where it'll zoom in around the text blocks which I personally think makes it easier to read/navigate PDFs.

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[...] 2. I will be putting Amazon Kindle 3.2 and FBReader+FBSync on. Are there any other e-readers I should consider?
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I recommend Mantano Reader for both epub and PDF formats. It works well on the NST, and handles both formats very well. I have completely replaced the NOOK Library with the Mantano home screen, and the NOOK Reader with Mantano's reader. I like viewing covers for both formats on one screen.
2. Aside from e-reader apps, what do most people put on their tablets?
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Other than reading, mine's mostly set up to allow quick checks of work stuff when I'm on the road. I put on email (maildroid, which handles MS Exchange well), calendar (Calendar Pad) and Astrid Tasks, plus a few other travel programs (TripIt, mainly). Evernote for synchronized notes with my various computers. Google Voice to read transcriptions of voice mail. I use Dropsync to pull down daily newspaper and magazine feeds I have my desktop generate daily using Calibre, then import them into Mantano. I use ES File Explorer (nice Dropbox and other cloud integration). Folder Organizer lets me set up quick access menus on the notification menu for often-used programs. Nook Touch Tools to remap QuickMenu to show Mantano, maildroid, calendar pad, astrid and dropsync.
[...] 3. For complex PDFs, what app is recommended?
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Mantano is definitely worth a look. I like that it maintains page zooms between pages, so I don't have to fiddle with each page.

Thank you both.
I have a copy of ezPDF Pro from Amazon's FAOTD that I can try out on the Nook.
I'll try out CoolReader and Mantano, too. But the two biggest sellers of FBReader is the FBSync synchronization feature and the ability to remap FBReader page-turn keys with an XML file on the SDCard. Will those other two readers let me flip pages with the side buttons?

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[...] I have a copy of ezPDF Pro from Amazon's FAOTD that I can try out on the Nook.
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I also have ezPDF, and quite liked it. I just prefer using Mantano as one reader than can display and read my entire (pdf and epub) library in one app.
I'll try out CoolReader and Mantano, too. But the two biggest sellers of FBReader is the FBSync synchronization feature
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Mantano offers a cloud service, but it's not free. I've gone for the $20/year 5 GB, 2000 title option that lets me sync among 4 devices. In addition to reading positions, it also syncs categories, metadata and tags, which I find useful.
I've read good things about FBReader and will try their sync option someday. As I recall, it didn't handle some of my document formatting as well.
Will those other two readers let me flip pages with the side buttons?
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Mantano will, yes.
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Some tips on battery life:
The NST can maintain very good battery life if you stick to your "primarily a reader" philosophy. In particular, avoid anything that polls in the background. While I do use maildroid, I have it set to only poll manually. I don't have any sort of background sync running (e.g. facebook, newsfeeds). No widgets.
I do have Tasker set up to wake the device once daily and force a sync with Dropsync to download my Calibre-generated news from Dropbox. I also have Tasker set to only enable wifi when a short list of specific apps runs (e.g. maildroid). Wifi is shut off when the screen goes off. I enable wifi manually for things like reader sync that I only do occasionally.
While I haven't done any scientific testing, my battery life seems as good as on a non-rooted device. I recently left my NST on my coffee table unplugged when I left town for a week, and on my return, it was still at 90%.
Being on older Android 2.1 Eclair, the NST will benefit from a task manager. I tried a few, including Advanced Task Manager, but I finally settled on System Tuner Pro. I get very few warning messages now (< 1 daily), and no memory problems. I have it set to only kill tasks when the screen goes off, and when actually low on memory using the "Light" preset. I have it ignore Mantano and Tasker.
With these settings, I haven't had any particular problems with the Google stuff loaded. If I don't use it, it doesn't affect battery life. I did freeze Gmail since I just don't like it.

tinynooter works on the glow, also. (and on the NST without the glowlight.)
If you're comfortable sideloading apk files via adb either glownooter or tinynooter will do the trick. Once you're shelled in over adb, you need to su to get an adb root shell - most of the time I'm ssh'ing into my device in any case
What tinynooter doesn't do is install any of the google apps, a modified framework or kernel - it's very much the base device but with root rights. For convenience the Amazon appstore is on board.
I'm curious what makes a nooter and what does not? I'd been thinking that nooter was a generic term for 'nook rooter?'

If you've got a glow nook, my advice to you as one newbie to another is to WAIT. There is almost no newbie support for the glow nook as I rather unfortunately discovered today. Even if you've rooted an android device before, the odds are slim that you've ever side-loaded an apk and there is not a guide to be found on this forum for the GlowLight. Not that it matters, because adb won't pick up a rooted glowlight. Additionally, do -not- try to install norefresh or multitouch.
I'm restoring my glow nook to factory tomorrow morning myself and just waiting it out. Besides, using it unrooted for awhile will help you figure out what you do and don't want out of a rooted device (for example you -are- going to need a separate pdf reader, but it might turn out that everything you read on your nook will already be .epub or easily converted to .epub).

For IRC, AndChat works excellent.
http://www.andchat.net/index.php
Mini vMac If you are a mac person, this is something to check out. I bought the paid version and unlike the free version, the paid one conforms to the screen resolution perfectly on the nook.
http://dolfin.github.com/minivmac4android/
Bacon reader-
http://baconreader.com/
It's not necessarily newb stuff, just some things I put on mine for fun that work quite well

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For IRC, AndChat works excellent.
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I dunno how well it works on NST, but on the glowlight, AndChat has a problem with autoscrolling unless you manually clear your buffer every few lines.

AndChat is good on my non-glow nook. I don't have any scrolling issues. I really really want a glow nook but I guess from what I read here, not everything is sorted out yet.

serupento said:
If you've got a glow nook, my advice to you as one newbie to another is to WAIT. There is almost no newbie support for the glow nook as I rather unfortunately discovered today. Even if you've rooted an android device before, the odds are slim that you've ever side-loaded an apk and there is not a guide to be found on this forum for the GlowLight. Not that it matters, because adb won't pick up a rooted glowlight. Additionally, do -not- try to install norefresh or multitouch.
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What's wrong with norefresh please ?

[Q] touchnooter and uninstalling google market

hi folks.
gonna be getting me one of these when they go on sale in a week or so here in the uk.
i want one to root because it looks like the perfect ereader to use with pdfs.
my question is once rooted and touchnooter is installed multi touch and no refresh are enabled and the very few apps i want installed are on the deivce can i then somehow remove the market app?
the plan is to simply install a few other ebook apps some pdf apps gmail skydrive and then never install another app ever. i want it as minimal as possible to help with the battery and the less that is on there the better
if anyone knows please let me know.
cheers

You could remove Market after using TN, or simply root without it. I've spent a lot of time looking at battery consumption on my NSTs, and have never noticed Market causing any drain worth worrying about.
With the recent release of Amazon's Kindle Paperwhite, you might want to wait to see how B&N responds. The NST is nice enough, but a capacitive screen would be nice.

bobstro said:
You could remove Market after using TN, or simply root without it. I've spent a lot of time looking at battery consumption on my NSTs, and have never noticed Market causing any drain worth worrying about.
With the recent release of Amazon's Kindle Paperwhite, you might want to wait to see how B&N responds. The NST is nice enough, but a capacitive screen would be nice.
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thanks for the reply. yes i did see the tinynoot root solution after i originally posted this thread.
my question about that is if i used that method can i still install the multi touch and no refresh hack (i am guessing i can but confirmation would be nice). if i can then i will most likely go down that route. it isnt all about battery life but i know the market does check very often when wifi is enabled for updates and what not and i would rather not have to worry about that at all. bottom line i want to keep the reader as close to a reader as possible. pdf email web browser ebook reader and file manager is all that is needed. nothing more is required or wanted and therefore i want it is minimal as possible with no bells or whistles.
not really too fussed about any new future nook and will take the plunge as soon as i can here in the uk. if they bring out something extra special later then i will simply sell the old and buy the new but i will do that as and when i want/ have to. the reason the nook gets my vote over my kindle is the page turn buttons. i have a keyboard 3g at the moment and it is great but it doesnt handle pdfs very well. i bought the new kindle touch but i missed the physical buttons and so bought another keyboard but amazon have crippled the pdf functionality and although i could jailbreak it and install one of the pdf viewer hacks that improve the situation i cant be bothered with all the faffing around. however i was willing to do this but then i saw the multi touch no refresh hack on the nook and watched how it handled pdfs when the hacks were installed and that was me sold. i have a lot of pdfs that i would to view on an e ink screen and the nook is by far and away the best solution for the job.

"can i still install the multi touch and no refresh hack" (after rooting with tinynoot)
Not clear that you can, but if you look at the thread on the overclock kernel that's just been posted, the dev who posted that
also posted an APK that gives you much/most of hte benefit of the no refresh hack, in terms of screen speed.
I am not sure if that work also gives multitouch.