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found this What do you think" here is the link.... http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/08/htc-hd2-breaks-free-in-the-t-mobile-usa-wilds/ and here...http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/htc-hd2-and-moto-cliq-xt-pricing-revealed-in-t-mobile-database/
Ok, so
I've been a WM user back since CE 2.0 and currently am carrying a T-Mobile Dash and a Toshiba E805, so I'm ready to upgrade the two of them into a HD2, but am curious about the potential for this thing. I don't want to be locked in to a EOL (End of Life) item from the start, and am willing to wait a few months for WM7, but in reality with all the purchased software I own I doubt I'd be happy losing it all and starting fresh with WM7. I'd tend to go with a different platform, maybe a N1 or an (gasp) Iphone but my problem is I'm a hopeless tinkerer and techie so I will definately NOT be happy on a closed platform.
Although I'm not a fan of M$ the CE/WM platform is amazingly open and compliant to my wishes, although the 32 process limit has been a nightmare, I've been pretty happy with it. The E805 with 640x480 looks and performs great, I have a larger battery so I can run it pretty much all day.
Oh, I'm currently using T-Zones and really don't want to pay $30 for Internet on whatever I get.
So my question to you folks who either have a HD2 already or know more about this than I is should I get the HD2 at the end of the month and live with the platform for 3-5 more years, possibly with vendors limiting support, seeing lots of new stuff come out for the newer platforms that will be there, or should I wait for this market to flesh out and go for a new architecture?
Thanks,
Marc
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you're thinking about it when it's sold at THOSE prices?
I am deeply offended, admitting the news are real.
I cannot tolerate that on 21st january I had to spend 440€ on this phone, one-month used by another person (plus everything else I had to buy on it, totalling 500€ roughly), while it's being sold NEW in the US, unbranded, with 1GB ROM, officially supported 576MB RAM, an included 16GB microsd, for what is the equivalent of less than 330€.
It's like stepping on users' money.
I am not among those complaining about "newer hd2 with more rom", but I am sure as heck furious about it being sold, new and with better bundle, for roughly 25% less than what I payed my used phone less than couple months ago.
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you're thinking about it when it's sold at THOSE prices?
I am deeply offended, admitting the news are real.
I cannot tolerate that on 21st january I had to spend 440€ on this phone, one-month used by another person (plus everything else I had to buy on it, totalling 500€ roughly), while it's being sold NEW in the US, unbranded, with 1GB ROM, officially supported 576MB RAM, an included 16GB microsd, for what is the equivalent of less than 330€.
It's like stepping on users' money.
I am not among those complaining about "newer hd2 with more rom", but I am sure as heck furious about it being sold, new and with better bundle, for roughly 25% less than what I payed my used phone less than couple months ago.
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well, that is just the nature of the beast. you don't even want to know what i paid for an xperia x1 when it first came out and what it sold for 3 months later. or my iphone and what it sold for 3 months later
nothing you can do about it. either buy it right away at the higher price or wait it out. what you are paying for is the early usage of the device, sucks but that is just how it goes.
I guess my main problem with this is with the announcement of WM7 support for this beast will wane. I can get a N1 or an Iphone which AREN'T new platforms, will have lots of support, and likely get updates for a long time. The HD2 (which I've been waiting for almost a year for) has great hardware, probobly a bit better than either of those other two, but is it worth it to lock my self in to obsolescence?
I've been hearing rumors that tablets in 6 months to a year will make this tablet obsolete. Apparently tablets will be coming out soon with almost twice the processing speed as this currently has, is that true? I have to make a decision on a tablet to buy that will last me at least 2 years before I can buy another one, do you all think that this will last that long? Should I wait another 6 months and buy a better tablet when they start rolling out? I know the developers will keep this going, but like with my HTC Hero, as soon as the next big thing came out, everybody left that device in the dust.
It's a common joke in the tech world to say that by the time you buy your device it's obsolete.
Sadly, it's true. Qualcomm already announced some beastly processors at CES this year, but said they won't show up in devices until 2012. So that's already going to make your device obsolete within a year or so.
I'd say find a device you like now, and buy it. After you buy it be sure to look the other way as other devices get announced.
Also, don't buy into Best Buy's Buyback program, it's a ripoff. You have to sell back within 6 months, and can only get at most 50% of your purchase price back.
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I've been hearing rumors that tablets in 6 months to a year will make this tablet obsolete. Apparently tablets will be coming out soon with almost twice the processing speed as this currently has, is that true? I have to make a decision on a tablet to buy that will last me at least 2 years before I can buy another one, do you all think that this will last that long? Should I wait another 6 months and buy a better tablet when they start rolling out? I know the developers will keep this going, but like with my HTC Hero, as soon as the next big thing came out, everybody left that device in the dust.
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Are you ****ting on me? No really I think it smells funny in here. Of course it will be
Computers and similar products like tablets and smartphones follow the same rule. The motorola Xooms performance will be outshadowed in a year, just like the Evo's performance is already outshadowed by the latest phones coming out.
To expect a technology product of this type to be relevant a year later is not gonna happen lol.
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I've been hearing rumors that tablets in 6 months to a year will make this tablet obsolete. Apparently tablets will be coming out soon with almost twice the processing speed as this currently has, is that true? I have to make a decision on a tablet to buy that will last me at least 2 years before I can buy another one, do you all think that this will last that long? Should I wait another 6 months and buy a better tablet when they start rolling out? I know the developers will keep this going, but like with my HTC Hero, as soon as the next big thing came out, everybody left that device in the dust.
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The quadcores will be coming out (and the IPAD 3 is rumored to come out) at the beginning of next year.
The end of this year, that quadcores will be SAMPLING - meaning prototype devices will be shown, with release schedules in the beginning of the next year around this time.
With any sort of device, you are looking at a 6 month doubling time in technology. Recently that has been speeding up.
To be fair, the google nexus one (also a flagship) still gets regular updates first - the Moto xoom should be similar.
After one year, quadcores will come out - but your tegra 2 will still be usable.
its obsolete already....save ur money...don't buy anything...
Depending on what you mean by obsolete.
As with Android phones, there are severe competition within the Android platform. All big manufacturers refresh their flagship models every few months to take advantage of newer faster better components. If you want to always have to top of the line, the highest-spec Honeycomb tablet, the Xoom may not last for long. It's already been said that the Samsung one may have a better screen and the LG one does 3D... and how knows how many more Honeycomb tablets will be announced at CTIA by the end of this month.
But if you are considering getting a high-end tablet to won't be obsolete in the sense of not getting updates, or the hardware can't keep up with the softwares. You don't really have to worry, for at least a year or more. Your experience with it will only get better as Honeycomb platform gets more mature, for the next year at least.
This is always the case with Android. The faster, nicer looking, longer lasting device with the latest firmware and the newer manufacturer technology is always right around the corner.
Ultimately this is why I chose not to subsidize with a 24 month ($480 dollar + tax) contract.
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Ultimately this is why I chose not to subsidize with a 24 month ($480 dollar + tax) contract.
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You'd have to be stupid to lock a tablet to a 2yr contract lol. How many people do u know that bought subsidized netbooks? Lol
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I would like to introduce you to Moore's Law.
Moore's law describes a long-term trend in the history of computing hardware. The quantity of transistors that can be placed inexpensively on an integrated circuit has doubled approximately every two years. The trend has continued for more than half a century and is not expected to stop until 2015 or 2020 or later.
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Depending on what you mean by obsolete.
As with Android phones, there are severe competition within the Android platform. All big manufacturers refresh their flagship models every few months to take advantage of newer faster better components. If you want to always have to top of the line, the highest-spec Honeycomb tablet, the Xoom may not last for long. It's already been said that the Samsung one may have a better screen and the LG one does 3D... and how knows how many more Honeycomb tablets will be announced at CTIA by the end of this month.
But if you are considering getting a high-end tablet to won't be obsolete in the sense of not getting updates, or the hardware can't keep up with the softwares. You don't really have to worry, for at least a year or more. Your experience with it will only get better as Honeycomb platform gets more mature, for the next year at least.
This is always the case with Android. The faster, nicer looking, longer lasting device with the latest firmware and the newer manufacturer technology is always right around the corner.
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What he said.
Obsolete is such a funny word. People interchange it with top of the line. There will be some games that come out in a year that won't look as good on the Xoom. They'll probably be/are tablets that are better able to decode video. But the Xoom won't tell stories of processing 4 times harder in the snow for a while.
Disregard.
Well, it wont be complete obsolete but NVIDIA already announced that their new quad core processors will be out on tablets by August of 2011. So, thats twice the performance the xoom has now. I'm expecting a Xoom 2 of some kind. I would wait honestly. thats what imma do.
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You'd have to be stupid to lock a tablet to a 2yr contract lol. How many people do u know that bought subsidized netbooks? Lol
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Contract is for a data plan. You can always buy another off contract (full price) and switch them out.
This is something thats frustrating me aswell. £500 is alot of money these days, especially with cost of living increasing, the price of rice etc.
So you kinda want to get a good few years use out of it. And not have to worry about upgrading within 12 months.
And likewise expect adequate support and updates as quickly as possible without feeling abandoned.
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It won't be obsolete but it won't be top of the line anymore. Really, you should buy what makes you happy now, skip the next generation of tablets, and then refresh with whatever 3rd gen comes out in a year or so.
You'd be broke if you tried to keep up with the latest technology. Unless you have that much disposable income...
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Well, it wont be complete obsolete but NVIDIA already announced that their new quad core processors will be out on tablets by August of 2011. So, thats twice the performance the xoom has now. I'm expecting a Xoom 2 of some kind. I would wait honestly. thats what imma do.
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Yeah but if you have that attitude you'll be waiting forever. When the iPad came out I wanted to wait because although it's a great product, I don't like Apple's ethos. When the cheap aPad type tablets came out I wanted to wait because they're a bit dodgy build wise. When the Galaxy Tab came out I wanted to wait because I'm not a fan of the 7 inch form factor. Now the Xoom is out and I'm supposed to wait again, for another what 5/6 months because there MAY be a quad core tab out before the end of the year? No. The Xoom has everything I was waiting for, a proper tablet OS, open ethos (I was dreading an unlockable bootloader), good build quality and 10 inch form factor. It's what I've been waiting for. I'll be damned if I'm going to wait again just for a performance boost that I'm not even sure it needs right now.
Anyway, when the quad cores are out there will be another reason to wait. I can imagine it now. "Oh you're going to buy that quad tab are you? Why don't you wait until Icecream is out next Jan, then you'll be able to have glasses free 3D." Or some such other benefit for waiting. Nah, I'm done waiting, I'm jumping on the tablet train now.
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Yeah but if you have that attitude you'll be waiting forever. When the iPad came out I wanted to wait because although it's a great product, I don't like Apple's ethos. When the cheap aPad type tablets came out I wanted to wait because they're a bit dodgy build wise. When the Galaxy Tab came out I wanted to wait because I'm not a fan of the 7 inch form factor. Now the Xoom is out and I'm supposed to wait again, for another what 5/6 months because there MAY be a quad core tab out before the end of the year? No. The Xoom has everything I was waiting for, a proper tablet OS, open ethos (I was dreading an unlockable bootloader), good build quality and 10 inch form factor. It's what I've been waiting for. I'll be damned if I'm going to wait again just for a performance boost that I'm not even sure it needs right now.
Anyway, when the quad cores are out there will be another reason to wait. I can imagine it now. "Oh you're going to buy that quad tab are you? Why don't you wait until Icecream is out next Jan, then you'll be able to have glasses free 3D." Or some such other benefit for waiting. Nah, I'm done waiting, I'm jumping on the tablet train now.
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Completely agree with you. There is finally a quality tablet out there and thats why I picked it up. I'm sure this is plenty fast enough, and you'll always be waiting for something better.
Just pick a comfortable one and stop evaluating new ones, but treat them as candidate for 2 years later.
That's why having a 2-year contract helps sometimes. It help to set the mentality right.
Sometimes it sounds like, to be married or to be single and availe for better girlfriend/boyfriend ,
which one is better?
Just in this case, the contract is just 2-year. The inappropriate analogy is life-time (or at least hopefully for many's cases)
I think the reason the xoom will not become obsolete as quickly as other tablets do is due to the software, not the hardware. I owned an htc hero and saw the nexus 1 get multitudes of update and my poor hero get only 2. The xoom is much like the nexus 1. Even though the hardware will not be the latest and the greatest, your software will always be up to date. Something you may not see with the LG device (due to 3D) or the Samsung device (due to Samsung being Samsung).
Just something to consider.
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http://www.mynextfone.co.uk/news/article/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-tops-iphone-4-sales-in-uk-
With so many GS2 users, I hope Samsung will take the GS2 seriously and fix current problems (battery, etc.). Also, It seems HTC lost much of its sales power (it seems that the Sensation simply can't compete).
To be honest it's not really a fair contest, as the iPhone 4 is last year's news. If iPhone 5 would have been released today, I think we know who would have won...
the linked page - not saying the facts are correct or incorrect, but come on, no source and no actual numbers? this is extremely amateurish.
and to your point that iP4 is too old to be compared to SGS2 I also want to add that UK sales of SGS2 are really actually INTERNATIONAL sales because many people from outside the UK bought their SGS2s through UK channels. Thousands a month I would estimate went off shore.
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the linked page - not saying the facts are correct or incorrect, but come on, no source and no actual numbers? this is extremely amateurish.
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That's exactly what I thought when I read it. The site doesn't look very reputable does it.
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To be honest it's not really a fair contest, as the iPhone 4 is last year's news. If iPhone 5 would have been released today, I think we know who would have won...
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iPhone 5 would have won, we all know that. But I think, they wouldn't have won by "as much" as last year. Just look how many (of course I'm talking about the UK here) solid iPhone users have moved over to Android, or more specifically the GSII.
And I love how Apple release their iPhone - or at least used to - release their iPhone when it was the only thing in the market. Give speculation, tempt users to wait, they then see the flashing iPhone and then say, "oh that device I wanted a couple of months back is old now" So let's just get the iPhone 5.
This year (depending on when Android 4 or Ice Cream is released) it'll actually be vaguely fair. Of course Apple will win because Apple have a product cycle of 1 year. Each iPhone lasts about a year before their software begins to cut off features (to make up upgrade to the new one) and their marketing makes the older model should rubbish. Android phones (the top band) are meant to last longer, so there's no influx of sales. The sales are spread across various manufacturers' flagship models and over the course of the year and over the course of Android updates.
And so if these phones are released within a week of each other (which they won't be because Steve Jobs won't do that....he'll probably delay it) the sales, IMO won't be as huge as they were for the iPhone 4. They still win, but by not as much.
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and to your point that iP4 is too old to be compared to SGS2 I also want to add that UK sales of SGS2 are really actually INTERNATIONAL sales because many people from outside the UK bought their SGS2s through UK channels. Thousands a month I would estimate went off shore.
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Look at this:
http://www.samsunghub.com/2011/06/10/over-a-million-galaxy-s-ii-activated-in-south-korea/
1 million SGS2 devices sold in South Korea alone in the 4 weeks of May (!!!)... (just to compare, it took the original iPhone 74 days to reach 1 million users, globally !)
It's hard to comprehend that by now, there could be several million owners of SGS2 globaly. This is insane !!!
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Here is a comparison regarding the SGS2 vs iPhone 4 sales:
- iPhone 4 sold 3 million devices in its first month (Globally).
- SGS2 had 3 million pre-orders globally (that is, before it started to sell).
I think that the SGS2 might be the fastest selling smartphone, ever.
The more SGS2 Samsung sells the better the support will be, so keep on buying
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iPhone 5 would have won, we all know that. But I think, they wouldn't have won by "as much" as last year. Just look how many (of course I'm talking about the UK here) solid iPhone users have moved over to Android, or more specifically the GSII.
And I love how Apple release their iPhone - or at least used to - release their iPhone when it was the only thing in the market. Give speculation, tempt users to wait, they then see the flashing iPhone and then say, "oh that device I wanted a couple of months back is old now" So let's just get the iPhone 5.
This year (depending on when Android 4 or Ice Cream is released) it'll actually be vaguely fair. Of course Apple will win because Apple have a product cycle of 1 year. Each iPhone lasts about a year before their software begins to cut off features (to make up upgrade to the new one) and their marketing makes the older model should rubbish. Android phones (the top band) are meant to last longer, so there's no influx of sales. The sales are spread across various manufacturers' flagship models and over the course of the year and over the course of Android updates.
And so if these phones are released within a week of each other (which they won't be because Steve Jobs won't do that....he'll probably delay it) the sales, IMO won't be as huge as they were for the iPhone 4. They still win, but by not as much.
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Nice post but we already have figures which show the SGS2 sold faster?
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The more SGS2 Samsung sells the better the support will be, so keep on buying
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Well, the original Galaxy S sold about 10 million units globally (true to January 2011). I'm not sure the support was as great as owners hoped...
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Here is a comparison regarding the SGS2 vs iPhone 4 sales:
- iPhone 4 sold 3 million devices in its first month (Globally).
- SGS2 had 3 million pre-orders globally (that is, before it started to sell).
I think that the SGS2 might be the fastest selling smartphone, ever.
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I'm all for some iPhone bashing, and some trolling...
but that 3m pre-orders was from various carriers, not customers.
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I'm all for some iPhone bashing, and some trolling...
but that 3m pre-orders was from various carriers, not customers.
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ditto.....
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Well, the original Galaxy S sold about 10 million units globally (true to January 2011). I'm not sure the support was as great as owners hoped...
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At lest better than HTC, I cant even remember my Desire getting Gingerbread and even tough all the new sense versions were running just great on it HTC never oficially ported them, they just didnt care at all and pushed phone after phone after phone while samsung ported gingerbread and at least seems to help the community (donated cyanogen devs etc.). Compared to the rest of Manufacturers Samsung actually had a great support even for the sgs1 and I doubt sgs2 is getting a worse one.
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I'm all for some iPhone bashing, and some trolling...
but that 3m pre-orders was from various carriers, not customers.
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Even if you are right (and those 3 million pre-orders are not already at the hand of customers), we already know that it sold 1 million alone in South Korea (in 1 month), and it hasn't even started to sell in the USA, which is the biggest market !!, there is no chance that with the US market included it will fall behind the iPhone 4 sales.
I'm not going to explain in a 10 part post, but daivik is really smart and bullseye on topic. Everything he/she said is on the money
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Hmmm, let me think about this.... If someone comes out with a jackhammer that men can use to sodimize themselves with and it outsells the sgs2 would I care? No. I really dont care how good a piece of hardware it is or who likes it, just aint my thing. So it is with the iphone, if others enjoy it and like how their hardware functions and what it does for them, great. Let them sell a gazillion to those people and let them pour the coals to it. Its got nothing to do with me.
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Nice post but we already have figures which show the SGS2 sold faster?
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I was just skimming the thread, before my post. And I got the impression that a few were saying that the GSII sales weren't as high. And so I just wanted to give my opinion why and shed some light on the fact that you've always got Apple loyalists, and basically how that is under real threat. And that threat will only grow for Apple in the future.
Where is the cheapest place to buy an SG2 in UK without contract ? Amazon ?
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Where is the cheapest place to buy an SG2 in UK without contract ? Amazon ?
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Check expanys. They dropped their prices recently.
Is it still worth buying a focus? If nokia does infact announce a phone today, would that drive the price of the focus down. And is it much slower than the HD7S? I really do want to start developing for the WP7 platform, but I don't want to start on a device that could soon become obsolete.
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Is it still worth buying a focus? If nokia does infact announce a phone today, would that drive the price of the focus down. And is it much slower than the HD7S? I really do want to start developing for the WP7 platform, but I don't want to start on a device that could soon become obsolete.
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Considering (quality&capabilities)/price, I would wholeheartedly recommend it.
If you can wait a few months, I'd recommend to wait for the new phones, as these will have better specs. Don't expect them to be cheap, though.
Tejh said:
Is it still worth buying a focus? If nokia does infact announce a phone today, would that drive the price of the focus down. And is it much slower than the HD7S? I really do want to start developing for the WP7 platform, but I don't want to start on a device that could soon become obsolete.
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it's exactly the same speed as an hd7s (or any wp7 gen1 handset) it's the beauty of having a chassis spec, none of that crappy unoptimized android business. all windows phones are FAST.
an announcement will probably have no effect on current phone prices unless a release date is imminient. but as with all tech, prices will fall as newer tech hits the market.
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Considering (quality&capabilities)/price, I would wholeheartedly recommend it.
If you can wait a few months, I'd recommend to wait for the new phones, as these will have better specs. Don't expect them to be cheap, though.
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I just purchased my Samsung Focus for $160 which is a steal. This phone is so undervalued. I would have easily paid $250 if it had at least 16 GB of space. I was able to puck up two cases for $25, two extra batteries with charger for $15, and 32 GB card for $50. If somehow I can get a 32 GB card to work, I'll probably just use my upgrade to get an iPhone 5 and sell it on eBay. The phone is awesome. Unless Nokia comes out with something special.
what would be the price trend for HTC One in US?
giving that DNA price dropping like a stone after it released last year.
i played with it in ATT store and i liked it, just not sure if i should wait a little bit
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what would be the price trend for HTC One in US?
giving that DNA price dropping like a stone after it released last year.
i played with it in ATT store and i liked it, just not sure if i should wait a little bit
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$120-149 for the one on pre order DNA will porn be free or 49
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ingalaxy said:
what would be the price trend for HTC One in US?
giving that DNA price dropping like a stone after it released last year.
i played with it in ATT store and i liked it, just not sure if i should wait a little bit
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It depends on how well both the One and SGS4 sell for AT&T. If the One holds its own AT&T will keep it at $199 for as long as they can. LG's having a launch event for the OG Pro on May 1 and AT&T usually carries their high-end devices. An iP5 is supposed to be available in June. There's going to be a lot on the shelves at AT&T this summer. Based on One inventory they've stocked or commited to if it's not making its numbers expect some discounting after 30-60 days. And usually the discounting starts with the VARS; at least that's what happened with the DNA. If you find a cheaper price at a (reputable) VAR AT&T will match it over the phone.
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$120-149 for the one on pre order DNA will porn be free or 49
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Sigh at least say AFTER 2 year contract. I know on t-mobile the The One is $579 outright. $99 upfront +$20 a month if you choose to pay it off over 24 months.
Looks to me the DNA just had a bad release time... it was in between the other major phones
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Looks to me the DNA just had a bad release time... it was in between the other major phones
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And what do you consider a release at the same time as the S4? Good time?
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And what do you consider a release at the same time as the S4? Good time?
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Along with articles releasing about Samsung having to pay kids to bash HTC? I'd say it's pretty good timing.
Releasing with the S4 isn't awful. That's the competition and people will pick what they want. Both were announced early enough ahead of time we all have discussed and watched every youtube video on them. The DNA if I am right came out in november/december time frame... it's nice, but the One is clearly better... and just 4-5months later? I'd be pissed.. and there, you are screwing your own costomers.
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Along with articles releasing about Samsung having to pay kids to bash HTC? I'd say it's pretty good timing."
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And I'm sure all the claims being made are totally without bias and Samsung will be treated fairly. And the supposed event occurred last year with the SGS3's launch and the "kids" weren't hired by Samsung they were working for a third party marketing company.
"HTC’s operations have weakened, impacting Taiwan’s export figures, resulting in 5 successive months of negative growth and seriously affecting Taiwan’s economic growth. In order to stop the decline, Minister of Economic Affairs Shih Yen-shiang today (the 10th) called for his fellow countrymen to “Affirm and support HTC, starting with loving and using their mobile phones”. This statement prompted backlash on the internet,*PTT*saw countless posts slammed, criticizing HTC for considering themselves to be a mainland Chinese brand and belittling Taiwan, [with netizens] unable to agree with Shih Yen-shiang’s point of view.Shih Yen-shiang revealed that he and the Vice-Economic Minister both use HTC phones, that the government has a close relationship with HTC, provides assistance, and hopes that everyone will unite in supporting domestic companies. Netizens didn’t show any appreciation, wit some people with angrily digging out HTC chairman Cher Wang’s past statements, pointing to her having said “HTC is an indigenous Chinese brand”, so Taiwanese officials now calling for the masses to support a ‘non-Taiwanese brand’ is truly unpersuasive."
http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/stor...ent-calls-on-citizens-to-buy-support-htc.html
Due to relatively high inflation rate I think the trend will no more be so good.
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less than 150. a good price