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Hello all,
i like XDA Forums for its master brains and respect it for all the support.
i used windows mobile and android on different HTC devices and enjoyed all the interesting things in it with the help of XDA.
now i wanted to try motorola milestone and got it and it was a sheer disappointment.
Motorola milestone users are ignored very badly by motorola without updating the buggy phone and not even caring to reply users queries. its even deleting all the users posts in developer forums. it locked down the bootloader with digital signatures when the same device in US "Droid" has got all the cakes with open bootloader and custom roms and device updates for issues. recently it has announced 2.1 for droid where milestone still didn't even get 2.0.1
i see ano place to report this and motorola wantedly deleting all such posts in their support forums. as this is common android section, thought i can post it here and see if any master brains can help us.
check here where a continent itself is complaining against motorola and there is no single reply or action for this
Thanks for understanding
its bound to happen really, the Droid is Motorola's gem now and it will be the one shown off and given what it needs ahead of other devices.
Same with HTC and there devices, there flagship one's get the bug fixes and new updates while lesser models dont.
I'm sure the Milestone will eventually get what it needs.
What do you mean by locked down boot loader?
as far as i understand the bootloader in milestone is little different than in droid. the milestone bootloader uses digital signatures everywhere to check for the software authentication which makes it impossible to put custom ROMs as we do with all other android phones.
even motorola is very slow in updating the issues with milestone. i don't understand why they are doing this but its like completely locked down and totally ignored fir the price everyone payed.
hello admins / moderators / master brains / everyone,
is it possible to check the Motorola milestone bootloader for bypassing the digital signature check so that we can install custom roms on it as its done on Droid.
please take this as a kind request as i lost hope on motorola releasing the open bootloader on milestone and they r very slow in releasing updates for this device and also ignorant in resolving most bugs.
i see that you are supporting non HTC devices like samsung, toshiba and Acer. so a little hope that its posible to look into this
please everyone
i am not a big techie to understand internals of the possibilities but you can see how many people want this on here http://www.facebook.com/motorolaeurope
Thanks to all for reading this
Motorola Milestone and Droid feature the same Hardware (while Droid is CDMA and Milestone GSM) but they did not get the same software build.
Droid = with Google (Maps Navigation etc.)
Milestone = Motorola Android (Multitouch, Motonav etc.)
Thanks to TI, M-Shield is available on both devices. With M-Shield it is possible to control booting and flashing.
While the Droid does accept every signature, the Milestone is locked to (probably) one.
So there we are.
Kernel without signature will not boot (blocked by Bootloader).
Flashing another modified Bootloader is not possible without signature.
Barnd83 said:
Motorola Milestone and Droid feature the same Hardware (while Droid is CDMA and Milestone GSM) but they did not get the same software build.
Droid = with Google (Maps Navigation etc.)
Milestone = Motorola Android (Multitouch, Motonav etc.)
Thanks to TI, M-Shield is available on both devices. With M-Shield it is possible to control booting and flashing.
While the Droid does accept every signature, the Milestone is locked to (probably) one.
So there we are.
Kernel without signature will not boot (blocked by Bootloader).
Flashing another modified Bootloader is not possible without signature.
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all this has already been figured out. what they want to know now is how to un-fudge it so that they have the same abilities as dream and other android users. I have been reading EVERYTHING i can find on the matter, as i REALLY want a milestone. id just get a droid, but i HATE verizon and am staying on t-mobile no matter what phone i hafta use. so im stuck on g1 till the milestone gets figured out. what i have been thinking is that the signature is a key, so there must be a keyhole, right? if we could find and disassemble the "keyhole", could we not then reverse engineer a key?
All this locked/unlocked nonsense is making me want a milestone even more, just so i can help figure this out and give motorola a big "F-U" for what they are doing. because thats basically what they've done, they've told all their customers to go F*&$ themselves. well, just the ones outside of the US.
Honestly i dont see how motorola made it this far with a slogan like, "Go F*&$ Yourself", but whatever. thats why i HATE verizon, because they dont give two ****s about their customers, as long as they get paid. and thats what motorola is doing here...they dont CARE what milestone users want, as long as they keep selling milestones, and controlling EVERY ASPECT of them.
doesnt sound like an OPEN SOURCE attitude, to me...
-BMFC
Milestone 2.0.1 had been released before you wrote that post actually (it was released on feb 4th).
if you didn't get the update OTA yet you can even get it through their website
I assume you're in Germany so try here hxxp://direct.motorola.com/GER/SoftwareUpdateSummary.asp?country=DEU&language=GER&web_page_name=SUPPORT&strCarrierId=&strPhone=MILESTONE
chowdarygm said:
where milestone still didn't even get 2.0.1
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now the hope is gone and i decided to sell my device. its such a dumb company which doesn't care about end users.
HTC is far better in these things without putting hard restrictions.
You must have missed the hooplah that surounded the era of phones HTC put out around the Tilt. Crap video drivers etc....
HTC is just like Motorola. They go where the money is, although I say Motorola went a little overboard with the signed bootloader, it still runs rings around the Hero and most other aandroid devices short of Desire/ Nexus One.....
I have made a kitchen for nexus one: http://feeder.pk/
The kitchen is flexible and i can set it up for any android based device. If anyone here wants to manage the kitchen for some device, just pm me and i'll set you up with a subdomain for that device, e.g hero.feeder.pk
Can tattoo.feeder.pk.
Htc espresso, MyTouch 3G Slide pLeAsE
Samsung Galaxy S please
guys, i can't manage them all, so what i'm saying is i need someone from each device who can manage it.
whats required to maintain it?
Uploading roms, apps and in near future, add mods, language files, kernels etc.
I would be interested in managing a sub-domain for the HTC Tattoo, if possible.
Thanks
This needs exposure in each individual handsets respected forum
thinking about volunteering for the mytouch 1.2
I will gladly do it for the HTC Evo. Please contact me with Info.
i would love to manage a kitchen for the Motorola Cliq! ive been looking for one for sooo long
I might be interested in evo.xx.xx
let me know
Msg me if you still need someone for the HTC Evo
Glad to see the evo getting love from others. Can't wait for it to be up
Thanks guys for volunteering
i can help out with the evo also, did something essentially similar for the moment with a few more options than i saw for the nexus one.
setup an alpha for the evo a month back, but perhaps we could work together. i'd be very curious to see the code and functions used in your version and perhaps find some synergies! great job on the online kitchen!
here are our two for the samsung moment (final) and the htc evo (alpha)
http://www.joeyconway.me/sdx/custom/
http://www.joeyconway.me/evo/custom
Devices for which people have already volunteered are: Dream, Tattoo, Evo and CLIQ.
Kitchen for these devices will be coming soon!
i´m thinking of managing the galaxy s kitchen could you give some more info?
shararti said:
Devices for which people have already volunteered are: Dream, Tattoo, Evo and CLIQ.
Kitchen for these devices will be coming soon!
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any updates on these?
Volunteer For Wildfire
shararti said:
Devices for which people have already volunteered are: Dream, Tattoo, Evo and CLIQ.
Kitchen for these devices will be coming soon!
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Dude how about releasing one for wildfire ?
hey guys i was wondering can we put desire rom on desire-z? i saw some people over there port desire HD rom to their desire.
If you check around the forums, you'll see near-any firmware can be ported to near-any phone, even between platforms (WM <-> android)
This is xda-devs man
But... we need full root first.
This is a new device, delivery only started this week,
so development for it is still embrionary,
but you bet it will grow in awesomeness
Why would you want a Desire ROM? Ours already has the new Sense.
Hi, why Droid 2 ROMS are not compatible with Milestone 2 ROMS? Can you anser please? I want to buy this phone in future
Really big thanks
kanek06 said:
Hi, why Droid 2 ROMS are not compatible with Milestone 2 ROMS? Can you anser please? I want to buy this phone in future
Really big thanks
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Because Droid 2 is a CDMA-phone (Verizon) and Milestone 2 is a GSM-phone (Europe e.g.)! Both are based on different chipsets. That's why this phones are technically not the same phones, they just look alike!
The Droid 2 Global is both: CDMA and GSM! So there are 3 different phones with the same look out in the wild.
Oh, I see. Well it's look bad, no ROM avaible now, only ROM Fission test. I am wondering to buy something different
Do you think some ROMS will come?
And themes for Droid2 can be used for Milestone2?
I tried to deodexed my milestone 2 rom yesterday, the process is not hard but a bit boring. I have different goal than theming, but it appears easy when everything is deodexed.
The Blur phone framework seems quite different from AOSP, so building AOSP ROM like Fission requires much more time than theming... If you want big changes to MS2, you got to be either very patient or well skilled in hacking
So i can't flash on Fission ROM (for M2) this THEME: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=914196
try metamorph: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591329
not sure if they had that steel theme u want but they had a nice black one so it made me happy..
OK, no DesireZ, I will buy Milestone 2. I heard only positive comments for Fission ROM and I hope, new ROMS will arrived before I will buy the phone (next several months).
Only what I am scared is locked bootloader, I am affraid of brock
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If i would be you id buy the Desire HD way bigger display and no bootlock... i wish i bought it.. i cant get rid of my ms2
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What's bad and what i shouldn't do with locked bootloader? I want only flash ROM and THEME, no more customizion
And that wont work.
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And that wont work.
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Much like with the other Motorola phones, you CAN flash ROMs...you just can't change the kernel of the OS. Some functions not in the original kernel can be added by loading them as modules, but not all kernel features can be loaded that way.
If I had to guess, I'd say we'll get a few ROMs eventually, but given that much of the development scene goes on in the USA, we mightn't get as many as other phones...at least unless AT&T manage to get a version of the phone for their network. Unlikely though...Verizon seem to be going hard and exclusive on most of the Motorola gear...then again, Verizon are getting the iPhone after years on AT&T exclusive, so who knows what will happen in future...
To sum up...ROMs are coming, but don't expect the scene to be as vibrant for the GSM variants as it is with the CDMA ones...
if I had only known that before I bought a phone. Hmm, maybe it's time to play around myself a little bit =)
it's really disappointing that there isn't as much "hackery" going on in the Milestone 2 area compared to the Milestone 1.
Doshaska for example works so hard for getting the newest CyanogenMods on the Milestone 1, other groups released the 2.2 Froyo Upgrade months before Motorola did it (2 days ago they finally released it, but still not for everyone).
I think one of the problems is that the MS2 wasn't nearly as successful as the MS1 - but if we're lucky some skilled hacker will go on to our phone. Still hoping...
I think there will be better in the future - I bought this phone yesterday, with the hope for that . For now we've got the Argen2Stone. And look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870845&page=28 - Mikevhl would like to port the CM6 for us We must wait and help if possible
Hey
Have a look at this dastin1015 from XDA has already managed a small port of honeycomb to the CDMA Hero
Hopefully we might get a port to GSM Hero if it goes well
Original Post here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1070115
And Please dont flash this its for the CDMA hero not our one
Thanks for the news.
Our hero is not already dead.
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The magic user have honeycomb
Here the post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=974038
hmm.. might have a look at porting the magic honeycomb rom
Herogetshoney
We're in luck, JieeHD has already ported a (very limited) functioning Honeycomb rom for us flashmaniacs to tinker with.
Check it out here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1080483