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I would like to look towards the admins and moderators for guidance on where this should be placed. But I would like to start a bounty on Android 2.0 for the G1. The device has aged gracefully for most of us due to the tireless efforts of the devs here, and I think its time for us, or at least me, to give something back. I am having a hard time even considering a device made by another manufacturer, when ATT 3G bands are available, based on the sole fact that I wouldn't be able to come here and get the hotted builds and customizations.
I would like to start a donation or bounty, most likely through paypal, that anyone could contribute to, to be paid out to the developer that manages to squeeze a usable and feature complete build of 2.0 onto the G1. No I am not quite sure how to decide who wins, but it's just something I would like to see done. I will start of the bounty/donations with a 100USD bid if we can come up with guidelines to follow.
Just a thought..what does everyone else think?
Jubeh dropped a 2.0 rom today. Maxisma, ccyrowski, and cyanogen are all working on 2.0 roms. It sounds like you were thinking it would take an act of god to get 2.0 on the G1. It doesn't. However, the best devs are presently working on it.
Not that bad of an idea. I don't think the dev challenge on the market pays out to any of these custom roms, only apps developed and put on the market. However, I don't know if there is a dev out there that a possible $1,500 will make much of a difference to. I'd think that they would be work on these roms anyway.
Quite the contrary, I know it will happen fast, and I see that only minutes ago a rom was release, but I think we all can agree, no google sync, market, camera, etc..is hardly a fully functional daily driver. It usually takes several iterations of any one rom to get it stable and fully functioning.
Beside that, IMHO, isn't the point, the point was that I wanted to find a way to show my thanks and gratitude to the devs who crank out great software without slapping a pricetag on it. I think that all work should be rewarded, same as the linux projects I contribute too. The G1 is the oldest, slowest device with the least ram...however, I still cling to my precious because of the work thee guys here do, that keep it feeling fresh and as peppy as a spring chicken.
I just thought I might put the idea out to the community, rather than making individual small donations myself to individuals.
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Not that bad of an idea. I don't think the dev challenge on the market pays out to any of these custom roms, only apps developed and put on the market. However, I don't know if there is a dev out there that a possible $1,500 will make much of a difference to. I'd think that they would be work on these roms anyway.
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Yup, they will crank them out regardless lol. But as a engineer by day, I know those little gift cards and small rewards for excellence from mgmt DO go a long way. As a photographer, consultant, and web designer by nite, those big tips that were necessary go a very very long way.
if you want to donate, donate directly to whichever dev you feel deserves it.
im holding out til cyanogen gets 2.0 running, im sure it wont take him long.
Its already being worked on. Cyanogen would of won this hands down though! ;-)
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Its already being worked on. Cyanogen would of won this hands down though! ;-)
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Yeah. it may just be to late to consider at this point, maybe next time. Cyanogen is a beast, but Jubeh's rom got out the gate pretty fast! I am surprised to see the solid performance without a tremendous amount of kernel hacking.
i dont think this is a good idea... you might end up with dev's spitting out roms that seems complete and good, but because of the rush and competition the quality underneath isnt that great.(i doubt it would happen cause i dont believe android devs would this, but you never know! esepecially if the bounty would become like 100's of dollars)
like that one guy said just donate to whoever you think deserves it. i'd probably split it up.. give a good big portion to cyanogen.. and then all the other devs that help make these awesome mods possible
Waiting for drivers...
At this point we are waiting on new qualcomm drivers to allow hardware accelerated encoding/decoding. We don't quite have all of the piece to the puzzle needed to get a fully functional Eclair build for the ADP1 from AOSP source.
I'm not knocking the idea suggested here. I'm all for donating to your dev of choice. Just letting some of you know why we are in a holding pattern.
It may very well NOT be in the best interest of the community, which is why I put it out there, it sounds like most people thus far don't feel like its a good idea. Whether it's the vocal minority, or a representative majority, is yet to be seen.
Either way, thanks for the update TheGreenJester, my thumbs are already aching with anticipation.
Just let them be. The devs will release these things when it is ready. Don't pressure them. Giving them these huge amounts of donations like a bounty will only give them pressure
Like someone mentioned, putting a significant monetary incentive on release will only cause developers to spit out subpar ROMs. I'm sure Cyanogen and some others could have a more or less functioning ROM out within hours or just a few days, but it would be immensely slow and probably lacking here or there, with an abundance of bugs. It'd be nearly impossible to judge who releases the first "complete" ROM, since there are so many debateable factors comprising "completeness."
Overall, I'm sure the developers are working as quickly as possible to get their ROMs out, so I don't think they need any more incentive. Of course, donations should be made to thank them, but they should be made to different developers from different people. Rather than leave all but one developer with nothing, users should save their money until a ROM is released, and donate to that developer if they believe that ROM is the best. You know, spread the wealth around.
It's a nice thought, but definitely unnecessary.
Besides, I doubt anyone would be willing to send money over to someone with only 18 posts. No offense, but the internet is full of crooks.
what if we made a 4,5,or 6 dev group together to design the 1 big rom and all the donates went to them, not saying all but ive noticed a good bit of donations are based on fanfare. just sayin.
interesting thread
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what if we made a 4,5,or 6 dev group together to design the 1 big rom and all the donates went to them, not saying all but ive noticed a good bit of donations are based on fanfare. just sayin.
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That's not a bad idea, hmm..
Moved to the appropriate thread as off now.
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what if we made a 4,5,or 6 dev group together to design the 1 big rom and all the donates went to them, not saying all but ive noticed a good bit of donations are based on fanfare. just sayin.
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Too many cooks in the kitchen.
People have different styles, different ways of going about things, and it just seems like forcing a couple developers together wouldn't really help. Besides, some variety is good for everyone.
I mean, everyone's been waiting for this update for months; a fully working version by any number of developers is probably no more than a week away, if that. Just have some patience and let the developers do their thing, and then donate when someone comes up with something you like.
No need to disturb the status quo.
Hi,
the idea is not bad, but without HTC drivers it will be not possible to get full working 2.0 build (Camera ... etc).
I think all the devs waiting for the drivers to make stable 2.0 roms.
this thread should be closed now
I hope this will come to fruition with the input and help of everyone here.
I think having a community ROM(s) where all contributors get a equal share of donations would be a great idea for our community and catch on. That way when one donates it goes to all contributors developers/bakers/and anyone else who would be contributing by managing the thread/hosting or anything else that would be a part of the new Community ROM(now that's love). The specifics can be ironed out (suggestions welcomed). I personally don't want to be a contributor just the inspiration to get this moving. So I will be out of the picture.
Any suggestions would be welcomed!!!
A few I would have are:
How would developers divide the moneys? I was thinking a trusted and liked community member who would run the thread. Or if their was a way to set up Paypal or something to divide payments to all contributors(probably unlikely)
This Community ROM should be about 100% Love and that their should be absolutely no fighting over moneys. If an individual doesn't want to receive money then they must suggest a cause to donate to.
When one donates to the Community ROM, it's exactly that, they are donating to a community!! Now thats love!
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i think thats a good idea...i see certain people getting tons (litterally TONS) of donations, yet the people that are really behind a lot of that development are getting next to nothing. I see no problems there....giving credit by listing a name means nothing unless a portion of the donations are credited to each person involved.
Yeah, i agree with this. A commynity rom would be great if we all put our heads together.
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I agree good idea.
the rom should be a generic rom
I am very much so interested in this idea, the question is, what kind of ROM would we be aiming to build? I'd be simply satisfied with a true, working AOSP build
I second Kaik!
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I am glad to hear this. ROMCOM sounds like a good name.
Seriously though if you guys want to do a aosp then by all means do it. I just wanted to put the idea out there , if you want to get all nasty and make a baked out ROM then by all means do it. It was the concept that i wanted to see incorporated in this. It all love...
Yeah, a working community ROM would be a godsend. Look how CM worked out. If we could build and then submit for approval to one person, or the community as a whole, we could come out with something great.
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I think this is a great idea!!! We should do this for AOSP!! Im glad to help out even without donations but I'd take some too . Lets all get together on an IRC for planning this out imo? Want the channel to be #captivateaosp?
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-1 for kaik!! lol
I don't know. I'll be the naysayer here, and say I think diversity is best. Cooperation? Sure. Trading ideas and being open and transparent? Yes. Trying to make everyone work on one rom, whether it's the one they want or not? I dunno
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I don't know. I'll be the naysayer here, and say I think diversity is best. Cooperation? Sure. Trading ideas and being open and transparent? Yes. Trying to make everyone work on one rom, whether it's the one they want or not? I dunno
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I'm kind of thinking along the same lines. Community stuff is great. I like the idea. And I also agree that it's a shame that some people end up getting lots of donations while the people that came before them making their ROM possible get nothing.
But like E-man said what about the normal diversity that we'd see with ROMs?
If everyone was working on only one ROM would they still have time to work on a ROM that has all the whistles and bells, and a ROM that has the bare minimum, and a ROM that has a fancy UI, and a ROM that....?
I'm all for this, but frankly I don't think there's a lot of incentive for the folks who know what they're doing to start working on something like this at the moment. We just got our first Froyo leak and the rumors are floating around about when this will become final. My point being, most serious developers aren't going to want to start working on Eclair when Froyo is really close to being on the scene.
That said, I'd love to see a project like this take place, and I'll be more than happy to test things, troubleshoot things, and help out where I can to support such a project
Like I said before this is a layout as long as the principles are applied then if some or few or different developers and contributors want to start another one or two then by all means do it! This principal should not be contained to just one ROM but used as a template for future ROMs. It's the communal monetary sharing that should always be applied in whatever ROM the community builds.
EDIT, 12/12/10:
It looks like there is a ton of desire here and drive to get some major work accomplished. I just spoke with ferman via PM regarding the future of this project. I wanted to throw the idea out there, and I want to be a part of it, but I am (obviously) in no way equipped to lead such an effort. As I told him, I am much more the monkey-behind-the-keyboard writing code than the project manager at this point, and would happily contribute to any group that desires to further the Captivate's development.
So, without further ado, I hand the reins over to ferman and anyone else that congeals together as communal guidance. I'll be happy just to contribute code.
I thank everyone for their patience while I haven't been here to answer anyone's questions or even acknowledge everyone's involvement. Once I am done with release season at work, I only hope there's still room on the team for another monkey behind a keyboard!
I struggled with whether to post this in "General" or "Development" - I settled on "Development" as it is regarding, well...development.
If enough people are interested, I'd like to start the group development of a ROM, tentatively named "QAM". Cornerstones of QAM? No donations accepted, except for git submissions ("Free and In the Clear" - get it?); group development with specialization based on the team members' skill sets; widely accesible code with an emphasis on sound open source development practices; and clearly documented, well tested changes and updates.
With all of the drama here recently, especially regarding Axura, I think it's time that some of us try to steer this place back to what it used to be.
I'm an enterprise dev in my nine to five. As many have voiced, I have no doubts about my ability to develop a nice ROM for my own personal use. But I value my time, recognize that I am not as efficient in some areas (UI and UX, for instance), and understand from my professional life how much better of a result can be achieved when you've got a diversified team developing together.
Anyone that is a fan of Agile Development Practices will know where I am coming from. If anyone is interested in working together, let's start a dialogue here and now. If you're merely interested in flaming and thread crapping, move along - this isn't the thread you're looking for.
[EDIT - 12/06/10, 8:51PM] Posted an update within the thread. I didn't anticipate this much interest, but I'm glad it's there. I'm going to go through the thread tonight and start assembling names, etc.
i'm interested, but i dont really have any skills in relation to creating a rom or anything of the like. but if can help let me know!
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very.
i will gladly help where i can. i think this is a great concept and definitely brings us back to the roots of OpenSource Development.
lets please get this going. what do you need?
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I would like to offer my services. I loved supporting the Axura users and would love to support yours. I have a little programming experience, I mainly deal with ISS day in and day out though. Let me know what you think. I really think this could turn into something great!
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I struggled with whether to post this in "General" or "Development" - I settled on "Development" as it is regarding, well...development.
If enough people are interested, I'd like to start the group development of a ROM, tentatively named "QAM". Cornerstones of QAM? No donations accepted, except for git submissions ("Free and In the Clear" - get it?); group development with specialization based on the team members' skill sets; widely accesible code with an emphasis on sound open source development practices; and clearly documented, well tested changes and updates.
With all of the drama here recently, especially regarding Axura, I think it's time that some of us try to steer this place back to what it used to be.
I'm an enterprise dev in my nine to five. As many have voiced, I have no doubts about my ability to develop a nice ROM for my own personal use. But I value my time, recognize that I am not as efficient in some areas (UI and UX, for instance), and understand from my professional life how much better of a result can be achieved when you've got a diversified team developing together.
Anyone that is a fan of Agile Development Practices will know where I am coming from. If anyone is interested in working together, let's start a dialogue here and now. If you're merely interested in flaming and thread crapping, move along - this isn't the thread you're looking for.
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Sounds great. Even though I font know much about development myself, I would love yo help somehow(maybe I could be one of those highly cautious/thorough testers you were talking about).
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Sounds interesting. I'm interested in at least testing for you guys. I'd love to start coding for Android (BSc in Computer Science, but enjoy coding every once in a blue moon), but never got around to learning. I'll def keep my eye on this thread though, and help where I can
@OP:
Think this is an amazing idea! Definitely can see a lot come from this.
Idea though: you should maybe put up some slots to be filled so we can get some development teams, focused on their own individual part of the rom, together, so we know for sure that this will be great.
The most I can help with is being the app-writer-assistant XD.
I have yet to see a rom with its own app(s)(not counting DG's lbs launch) and I would love to see one with its own music player,notes,messaging, etc. I'm not experienced at all, i just know some java and I'm still learning android developtment(i got 3 big books next to me right now).
In fact I wouldn't be offended at all if you just say "no, thank you". I just really like the idea and I thought that if i proposed this it would at least give some initiative to develop custom apps with the custom roms and make this project that much more...unique
i'd like to see and participate in some REAL developement. A lot of these "devs" (especially the ones complaining) arent doing much developement and instead are just piecing together different things REAL devs have created into these roms and then trying to extort "donations" out of people. There's a select few developers frontlining the kernel developement that are doing real, good work.
imagine if we had multiple people creating roms like cyanogenmod on here...
I would be interested. I have done some android programming as well as some Other stuff. Never did any rom development but would like to give it a shot
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I can do 'modem testing'.. I travel for a living and encounter the various Freq's, EDGE, 3G, and believe it or not the pre EDGE network (cant think of the name at the moment, long day) almost every day.
Hey I wouldn't be much help in terms of development but I am willing to test anything you guys build
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i'd like to see and participate in some REAL developement. A lot of these "devs" (especially the ones complaining) arent doing much developement and instead are just piecing together different things REAL devs have created into these roms and then trying to extort "donations" out of people. There's a select few developers frontlining the kernel developement that are doing real, good work.
imagine if we had multiple people creating roms like cyanogenmod on here...
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This is exactly the sort of thing this thread and concept will help avoid. The Rom builders that are causing drama do alot of work. And we all benefit. Even if they are getting more traffic and donations than the ones doing the kernel and other mods and making them available for the Rom and kernel builders.
I don't mind seeing a little competition in the thread titles. And each dev has an opinion as to what's best and thus we have several different roms. But the bickering I've seen is ridiculous. But understandable. There are no rules in place. No required donation. No licensing on much of what's up. Its a bit of a mess.
Id love to see what a captivate oriented community effort will produce. Team whisky is great but not all that works on the vibrant works on the captivate.
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is this like the android syndicate in epic4G threads lol?
I'm in, PM me
i'm willing to flash as many iterations of this as you may develop. no technical expertise on my end though ...
I can test and am willing to learn any thing that will help with developing. I have strong computer background. Just new to android.
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im in for testing
Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)
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Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)
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Hey Man, I am much similar to where you are right now. I am not new to Nexus S or Android, but I feel that the abundance of ROMs is a good thing.
Having so many ROMs shows that the device is still running very strong: Something Android phones NEED to have behind them.
On the other hand I dislike it. To all the developers out there, I think you guys are amazing and genius no doubt. So take the following lightly...
What people don't like to see when browsing for a ROM is a dozen ROMs that are all identical. We need something new and fresh, hence why I like MIUI.
What I think should be done is as you said, have co-operation to make one master ROM because we have hundreds of people in the Nexus S community ready to help.
Speaking on my behalf I HATE SO MANY ROMs Because I simply cannot decide which is best because they are all similar in many ways, and I don't have time to try each one out as much as I want to. I do like having these ROMs but when it comes to choosing one its a big choice for me.
Any feedback on this?
I agree with a not so great abundance or ROMs. But most are not devs. They are simply "chefs" because they never actually developed anything. They just price and scrap things from source to mods. Cm9, ASOP, Peter A(because of his radios and kernal) are devs. We have lots of chefs.
I made brickROM just because of this situation. Its never been done, but the community wasn't ready for it yet.
Either way you can tell what rom has Is "real" I would say there's about only 5
And its sad for new Android users that come here get presided by a catching slogan and rob themselves from using a much better rom
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What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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But these futures found in everyone's ROM are just mods that you can flash. I flash 8 zips with every rom update but I know that a personal mix so I have no need to share it.
I'm capiale of changing my waklppaer
I flash custom font, and inverted apps with some tyranny Widgets and kernal. With gnex sounds. No reason to "cook" it. This is not development.
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The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I am agree with you CyanogenMod need a bug tracker for CM9.
Here is an interesting fact in case anyone didn't know but MR. Cyanogen himself is rocking a Nexus S http://twitter.com/#!/cyanogen/status/153353404159234049
I wonder what build of ICS he is running, probably from his own private reserve...
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The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development) and CyanogenMod 7 has the theme chooser integrated for easy themeing(check the last three links in my signature to see some themes I created for it).
I don't think any mod team have contributed more to Android than the CyanogenMod Team, they certainly have my respect for that.
I agree about the spices, all these chefs cooking the same exact entree and now which on to choose...
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The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development)
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It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
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I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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This^^ plus one thing, good all these chefs are popping up, that's showing a swell in number of people interested in development, in the end it can only have a positive outcome. Let em dev.
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It's a fact, not a problem.
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I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
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I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?
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I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
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Sorry if I interpreted it wrong (English is not my native language anyway ) I thought you're trying to imply that "since MIUI is based on CM, @LGIQEXPO shouldn't compare them together" or "if you like MIUI, it means you already liked CM." Just wanted to say that it is not a problem if one wants to compare those two.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?
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Occasionally I'd see a thread titled "Help me decide which ROM is best" and the most popular answer would be "Why don't you try them all?" Yeah it would be madness to try all 20+ ROMs in a row, but I don't think anyone will do that.
Before flashing a ROM, I'd (suggest them to) read everything in the first few posts by the OP, and take a look at the screenshots (most of the time I can decide if I will like this ROM or not by these two factors) If those "noobs" are not too ignorant I believe they'll have a small list of ROM(s) they want to try (may be 4-5 choices, which is reasonable.)
I know it is on the same code, but I more so meant the apps that MIUI re-did for their ROMs, and how they offer a nice end user appeal.
What would be amazing is if all the known devs of these ROMs would just once come together to use their own strengths, and make a mast ROM out of it. MIUI Design and style, Cyanogen tweaks and speed, Peter A. stability, the overclocking everything! (I can't wait for that hahah )
you want fewer rom, get a ns4g. Although we only have a fraction of the roms found in the other forum, they all seem to have their own distinct character.
i was using an SII before this so i was a frequent on that part of xda.. they do have a separate page for original development and another one for development (being kitchen products)
Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
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mandaman2k said:
Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
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Thanks for adding your voice to the discourse.
If I was asked to offer an opinion on what you do, this is what I would say....
I think what you do is okay for you, but the problem is when you release it. There is a problem because as you state, you cherry pick features and/or "code" from other ROMs, and that can/will lead to issues for your user base. Lets take for example the T9 dialer, what happens when security bugs are found and fixed and optimizations make it into an update of the T9 dialer? Well that would mean you would need to update your ROM, but what if you're busy with your job or just with life and are too busy to get around to it? Well now your users of your ROM are without those security, bug fixes and optimizations, and multiply that by all the other pieces of the ROM that you cherry picked from other sources.
My point here to be clear is that due to the nature of your ROM, it will always lag in patches to security issues, bug fixes and optimizations and I think that is ultimately a disservice to your user base.
There is a value that you create, so I guess the question here is, does that value of bringing all these pieces into one convenient package outweigh the negatives of the lagging patches/fixes?
I mean no offense, and I hope this isn't taken as such, I just want to encourage some discourse on these things...
Hey guys and girlz,
as many of you know, the developement for our device is not that great and fast because everybody (except from ivendor and arco and maybe some others) is working alone on a ROM/kernel. We could speed this up by building a dev team where all devs for our device and maybe from galaxy w can work together and improve ROM for ROM instead of doing each ROM alone.
Hope we can do this :good:
If anybody is interested, post it here or PM me
Greets and regards,
markey
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markey97 said:
Hey guys and girlz,
as many of you know, the developement for our device is not that great and fast because everybody (except from ivendor and arco and maybe some others) is working alone on a ROM/kernel. We could speed this up by building a dev team where all devs for our device and maybe from galaxy w can work together and improve ROM for ROM instead of doing each ROM alone.
Hope we can do this :good:
If anybody is interested, post it here or PM me
Greets and regards,
markey
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Hm. Mate are you blind? Look at this forum. We have a lot of roms, some are even twice there from 2 different developers.
For me, personally its perfect like it is. Arco and Ivendor as lead developers for CM10. Other devs can contribute or take their work and make a new rom out of it.
Especially for a almost 2 years old device our forum is really awesome and you should be happy for what weve got here.
Just my 2 cents.
P.s: This is the development section. You should ask things like that on the General section, in the i9001 thread.
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XeLLaR* said:
Hm. Mate are you blind? Look at this forum. We have a lot of roms, some are even twice there from 2 different developers.
For me, personally its perfect like it is. Arco and Ivendor as lead developers for CM10. Other devs can contribute or take their work and make a new rom out of it.
Especially for a almost 2 years old device our forum is really awesome and you should be happy for what weve got here.
Just my 2 cents.
P.s: This is the development section. You should ask things like that on the General section, in the i9001 thread.
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First of all, i appreciate all the work of ivendor , skywalker, brood, xistance and arco and others who did an amazing job of porting major roms to our device. But i must honestly say, i agree on some points with the OP. It is amazing with what we achieved on our small but awesome community, but our phone is getting old and eventually we will be left behind. So now it is the best time to combine all of the knowledge that is hidden in our i9001 section to ensure the future.
In the past year i have been in this section i saw a lot of stuff that could be fixed faster if people would communicate more, like the well known cm9 camera problem (i dont know for sure there was miscommunication as i dont know what happened in the background). A dev team would be awesome.
But i am afraid that this won't work anymore. The glorious days of the i9001 are over. Many good devs left us.
But is is worth the shot. Would be so awesome! If you have any android knowledge, please join.
(I am to stupid. I cant join. I know how qtADB works but that is all).
Also i like the idea of combining the two devices and make a giant dev team for both so we can benefit from there knowledge and they from ours!
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XeLLaR* said:
Hm. Mate are you blind? Look at this forum. We have a lot of roms, some are even twice there from 2 different developers.
For me, personally its perfect like it is. Arco and Ivendor as lead developers for CM10. Other devs can contribute or take their work and make a new rom out of it.
Especially for a almost 2 years old device our forum is really awesome and you should be happy for what weve got here.
Just my 2 cents.
P.s: This is the development section. You should ask things like that on the General section, in the i9001 thread.
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No i'm not, otherwise I couldn't have read the forum and written this here
(Just joking)
I know that we have a lot of ROMs, but there are some from 2 different developers because one of them hasn't updated very long or stopped the project and then a new dev took the work.
Thats your personal opinion and I accept it.
I mean this all because of the bugs that have to be fixed.
No its not that awesome, look at the dhd, they have a big dev team who solves most of the bugs there and they have fully functional Android 4.2 and MANY more ROMs than we have also have a look at some other 2 or more year old devices, most of them have big dev teams who do fast and great work.
I really appreciate the work of all our developers (!!we have a 3.4 kernel which even much newer and better devices don't have!!) but we can make this even better and faster.
Thanks i know this but in general section we couldn't get a team together and i also forgot about this section because i mostly (nearly only) use the developement section
Greets and regards,
markey
I seem to agree with xellar's view. Our I9001 forum is great as it is for a two year old device and development seems to be moving forward at a well-placed pace. I dont see any point in creating a ''dev team'' . Dont get me wrong , I'd love to see it happen. But Im comfortable with the pace here .
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I would also apreciate a dev. BUT the developement of the last 2 years was that good, that i can't comlpain on anything. It works very well the way it goes now. Maybe in the near future (~6 moths) when more importent (doesn't mean the other are unimportant) devs leave the s+ and 5.0 will be roll out, maybe then we need a dev-team.
But we have already s.t. like dev-teams:
Arco and Ivendor (CM9/10)
The kernel devs (Erik, castagna, Biagio, Christopher, ...)
Xistance and Doom (CM10.1)
They all share allready there knowledge and function.
So... No need to hurry in my opinion :beer:
"...nothing is more powerful than a young boy's wish. Except an Apache helicopter..." -Ted
i think we have a lack of devs contributing to really port the newer versions of android. its only arco and ivendor who are doing this and since arco wanted to concentrate more on his own device its only ivendor (arco is yet still involved with our phone). everyone else is "just" forking from ivendor, aokp, aosp and paranoid which is great and which is not necessarily easy. without them there would be nothing else but the cm rom. still its not comparable to ivendors or arcos work. i dont want to diminish the importance of the work of others (sadly i have to always mention it when saying things like that...). i just didn't see them commit to ivendors github and ivendors credits concede my point.
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I'd love to be in the team
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i think we have a lack of devs contributing to really port the newer versions of android. its only arco and ivendor who are doing this and since arco wanted to concentrate more on his own device its only ivendor (arco is yet still involved with our phone). everyone else is "just" forking from ivendor, aokp, aosp and paranoid which is great and which is not necessarily easy. without them there would be nothing else but the cm rom. still its not comparable to ivendors or arcos work. i dont want to diminish the importance of the work of others (sadly i have to always mention it when saying things like that...). i just didn't see them commit to ivendors github and ivendors credits concede my point.
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As true as this is, I still don't like the fact that you say we just fork their work. Both arco and ivendor haven't even started doing any real work on 4.2, forget giving us anything. Camcory and I have brought 4.2 by ourselves, just using arco's kernel source(which is REALLY important so I'm saying nothing to arco).
you probably saw what a mess the "perfectly working cm7" was even though mazen said hes not a real developer. when the 3.4 kernel came up it turned out to be not properly ported. no offense to both of those guys since cm7 actually was usable and the kernel had its right to exist (educk, if you read this, no need to defend yourself, i've read the whole thread).
but you must understand that im kind of suspicious with new things since i don't know if you know what youre doing. im not judging, i really don't know because i'm not qualified. also i dont see anything else going on on your github but your 4.2 porting. so i cant see any references. i also dont see any commits from camcory. thats another thing i cant get an opinion about.
but arco and ivendor have proven to be pretty skilled. i remember someone saying we would never have a 3.x kernel because someone who wanted to port it would be insane...
im still thankful for what youre doing since if ivendor quits its all on you
and im sorry you got in the "just forking" cathegory and everybody else who doesn't feel he belongs there. im just generalizing...
just actually saw your sig. still doesn't change much
dr.wtf said:
you probably saw what a mess the "perfectly working cm7" was even though mazen said hes not a real developer. when the 3.4 kernel came up it turned out to be not properly ported. no offense to both of those guys since cm7 actually was usable and the kernel had its right to exist (educk, if you read this, no need to defend yourself, i've read the whole thread).
but you must understand that im kind of suspicious with new things since i don't know if you know what youre doing. im not judging, i really don't know because i'm not qualified. also i dont see anything else going on on your github but your 4.2 porting. so i cant see any references. i also dont see any commits from camcory. thats another thing i cant get an opinion about.
but arco and ivendor have proven to be pretty skilled. i remember someone saying we would never have a 3.x kernel because someone who wanted to port it would be insane...
im still thankful for what youre doing since if ivendor quits its all on you
and im sorry you got in the "just forking" cathegory and everybody else who doesn't feel he belongs there. im just generalizing...
just actually saw your sig. still doesn't change much
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Only one thing to say:: does not make any sense at all...
What op asked is on team..wats happening here is just nonsense..if somebody interested to work with him pls do it..if u are not interested get the f** k out of here...its not must that each and everyone has to put their point of view..if u are ready to help then help..otherwise leave from this thread...simple....
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This thread needs to be closed. Its like a slap in the face for all of our developers. Shame on you! Show some respect to them. They sacrifiy a lot time to give us a better user experience for our phones but well, everyone is like "hurrdhurr dat fone is not even like a galaxy s3 now brah after flasching tis rom my fone suks bad ass".. Instead of saying thanks to the developers or donate some buck to them for a fresh beer or something.
Always remember this is a single core device, with a midrange chipset and it cant handle even close as much as a S3 or S2.
We have a fully working (vsync and tripple buffer are working and all ither stuff) Jellybean cm10. Not even the s2 or s3 have this because of the lack of sources for their exynos cpus.
I hate this unrepectless behavior.
Be happy with what you got here FOR FREE. And for a Non-flagship device like our i9001, we have A HELL OF A LOT roms and kernels!
Get your **** together people.
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Disrespectfull: YES understandeble: YES.
At our forum/development we got 1-person teams. Some ROMS are made with someone on the background (CM9/CM10/CM10.1).. But the other ROMS that are based on these are made and maintained by 1 person.
I got the feeling that some of us dont have PATIENCE..
And that is something what is very stupid.
Teams are working faster and fixing faster and better bugs in ROMS, that is true.
If the OP want to make a team just ask some developers for godssake. These topic are as disrespectfull as saying WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO UPDATE OR FIXING THIS OR THAT in every goddamm topic.
Just my opnion..
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you probably saw what a mess the "perfectly working cm7" was even though mazen said hes not a real developer. when the 3.4 kernel came up it turned out to be not properly ported. no offense to both of those guys since cm7 actually was usable and the kernel had its right to exist (educk, if you read this, no need to defend yourself, i've read the whole thread).
but you must understand that im kind of suspicious with new things since i don't know if you know what youre doing. im not judging, i really don't know because i'm not qualified. also i dont see anything else going on on your github but your 4.2 porting. so i cant see any references. i also dont see any commits from camcory. thats another thing i cant get an opinion about.
but arco and ivendor have proven to be pretty skilled. i remember someone saying we would never have a 3.x kernel because someone who wanted to port it would be insane...
im still thankful for what youre doing since if ivendor quits its all on you
and im sorry you got in the "just forking" cathegory and everybody else who doesn't feel he belongs there. im just generalizing...
just actually saw your sig. still doesn't change much
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Alright, even through, I shouldn't have any comments here as you already screw things up really bad, I feel like I must do it to clear things up a bit around here.
First of all, you said yourself that you don't have any knowledge related to software development, so why are you messing with people that actually devote time to do it? If you have no ideea what development is, why are you talking about it in this manner? I mean, it is ok to ask or to make mistakes, everybody does, nobody is perfect but I consider this post offensive and I must defend myself here.
Second, as far as I'm consern, my GitHub is MINE and I and only I will decide when to push something there. I cannot be forced by anyone to do anything. So, your sentece "I didn's see anything going on on your github" so what?!? Tell me, why should I post anything just for you to see it? Ah, you think I lack activity? Again, so what? I or any other Open Source developer cannot be forced by anyone to publish something. We do this because we like it, we are not paid for it. Maybe if you would pay me to do these things, yeah you could have the right to judge my activity. This is open source, this is Android, the developers are bringing stuff to the end user but the end user is free to choose if he wants to use that piece of software or if he doesn't want to use that software. Same applies to you, you don't have to flash anything on your phone just because it's there online, if you don't like it, don't use it .
About my 3.4 kernel. I mentioned in the OP of the thread that it is an early "alpha" nothing more. I even used the word "preview". If the end user doesn't like the way the kernel is, than he wont use it.
Oh, and I'm not supposed to say this but I'll take this opportunity just for you to see that I'm not lacking activity and actually I want to develop that 3.4 kernel, also I'll explain why I didn't update anything on github.
I worked locally, and everytime I fixed something, 2 other errors came up, after I fixed those 2, another 3 came up and so on. That's why I choosed not to push anything to git until I get something concret. I said this a million times actually: I have no ideea when that kernel will be ready and if it will be ready, I am going to decide if it will be published to git and XDA or not. This is my personal decision, you can't influence me in any way to do anything.
Also, I'm not a full time developer, I'm still a beginer, I'm still learning things here and I choosed to share my work with others, here on XDA because I thought that my work could be usefull. If you or anyone else don't find it usefull, as I said, don't use it .
Also, ivendor won't quit either and there is nothing on me...again, you are trying to push me...this is hilarious...I choosed to start the 3.4 kernel project but that doesn't mean that I must finish it... I really hope you understood something from this post, if not please, just let it go and ignore it. Also, there is no need to apologise, you were wrong by trying to put pressure on me but I ignored it, as you probaly noticed.
Cheers,
Erik
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Insulting to our developers an absolutly not development related..
Cheers
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