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How do we get HTC to release the EVO source code faster?

Any suggestions as to the best way to harass HTC into releasing the EVO source code quicker?
Send them e-mails or phone calls? Call Sprint and ask for it?
Can we do something like the campaign we tried for the FPS issue?
Thanks.
Per zonyl on page 2:
I managed to get Linux source for the Sharp Zaurus within a week and a half and Im sure following the same playbook will speed up the process with HTC as well. Hopefully I will have some time next week to do this, but the more the merrier! The more people call and contact legal the more attention it will get.
The plan:
- Call HTC corporate
HTC America
13920 SE Eastgate Way, Suite 400
Bellevue, Washington 98005
Tel: 425-679-5318
- Ask for representative in Legal Department (Tell them it is regarding potential litigation)
- Get legal representative's contact information before or immediately after being transferred.
- Politely ask for disclosure of GPL/Linux source code per section 3 of the GPL for the device they manufactured and that you purchased. (You may need to explain a little as they generally have no idea what this is. Doesnt matter much though as they still wont understand but make sure you explain its something that their engineering folks are liable for)
- Give them the GPL (by fax) http://www.linux.org/info/gnu.html The license is even on the phone itself (Menu->Settings->About Phone->Legal Information->Open Source). Scroll down and you will see the linux kernel GPL
- Give them a written request (by fax) "Dear Sir or Madam, ..... Requesting Source for my product in compliance with GPL Section 3-a ... Thank you...."
- They will tell you they need some time to figure it out.... Give them about a week and call back (they will try to ignore you on the first call in hopes you go away)
- Call back using the representatives contact info. Ask them for the status.
- If they are stalling ask for the legal address to list as a defendant on a lawsuit for breach of contract and will be demanding "An Order of Specific Performance" to release the code. (BE POLITE! BUT FIRM) (This will definitely get their attention!)
- Wait a few days. Someone from engineering with a foreign accent will call you with information on when / where the source will be released.
- If this doesnt get anywhere, we can talk about the process of starting a lawsuit without paying lawyer. When HTC is served legal papers for discovery, Im pretty sure they will comply.
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lolz mclollerson said:
Any suggestions as to the best way to harass HTC into releasing the EVO source code quicker?
Send them e-mails or phone calls? Call Sprint and ask for it?
Can we do something like the campaign we tried for the FPS issue?
Thanks.
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It seems no amount of begging ever makes them release code faster. Even legal threats failed before (not for the Evo, but its the same thing)
They know they have to release it by this point. They will do it, but on their own schedule. Pushing them to do it sooner hasn't gotten us anywhere before & I don't see it helping here either.

Damn, that's pretty disappointing.
Thanks for the heads up. :-/

I was actually talking to a guy from HTC earlier today about releasing the source. He told me that they will release it but he does not know when.

gman8966 said:
I was actually talking to a guy from HTC earlier today about releasing the source. He told me that they will release it but he does not know when.
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Of course they will release it, the GPL requires them to do so. But then again they are already violating it every day they don't release it, so maybe they will just say f*ck it.

Bring a class action suit if you're really worried about it, you won't make any $, lawyer will get rich -- but maybe, just maybe it will hit HTC hard enough to realize they can't jerk the Open Source Community around and they are bound by the same laws as everyone else.

midri said:
Bring a class action suit if you're really worried about it, you won't make any $, lawyer will get rich -- but maybe, just maybe it will hit HTC hard enough to realize they can't jerk the Open Source Community around and they are bound by the same laws as everyone else.
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Why do people always come up with this?
You have no standing to sue anyone over this. Copyright holders in the Linux kernel, *they* have standing to sue someone over this.
The GPL says they have to make the source available, but it's not for you to use legal means to force them to do it.
Class action? Who's the affected class? The people who bought the Evo? Not hardly.

A class action that will hurt HTC? make them reconsider releasing Android phones? you might get a short term benefit of getting source code (well, not really, since the law suit will take longer) but in the long term, the Android community will just lose one of it's biggest supporters

I really think sprint is to blame for this you notice all of the source is availed for just about every other phone except the .29 heroc kernel and the evo kernel makes ya wonder if they are playing a part

If the source isn't out by my 30 days (7/6), it's going back. There's no excuse for being so cavalier with copyrights. Ironic considering they just launched a legal campaign against Shipped ROMs.

What we need is for a high profile e-zine to write an article.
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What we need is for HTC to stop acting like Apple just because they finally have a phone that can compete with the iPhone. I don't care if this damn thing files my taxes and makes breakfast for me, if they can't respect the GPL they sure as hell aren't going to keep a cent of my money.

I've contacted HTC and Sprint... not luck... you can search my posts if you really want to read the responses.... I even contacted the FSF (I think they are the copyright holders for Linux Kernel for Linus) and no response from them... so eh yeah we just wait

Apparently you didnt have a Hero. The only thing you can do is wait...

What we really need to do is to start a twitter bombarding campaign like the Sprint hero users did. It took a bit, but it did work.

troyboytn said:
What we really need to do is to start a twitter bombarding campaign like the Sprint hero users did. It took a bit, but it did work.
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+1 for this

How long did it take for the Hero's source to be released?

caryroberts1 said:
How long did it take for the Hero's source to be released?
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3+ Months...Phone dropped in October, source came out in January.

PikkonX said:
3+ Months...Phone dropped in October, source came out in January.
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That just makes me even more angry.

I have obtained some super secretive information that can help us get the edge. Through hours of undercover work and social engineering I have discovered that the HTC Engineers are partial to Ben & Jerry's Half Baked ice cream.
I urge all of you to start a letter writing campaign to Ben & Jerry's urging them to exchange 10 pallets of ice cream for the source code. If we can't convince Ben & Jerry's that our charity is worthwhile, then we need to start raising money to buy it ourselves.
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I've never asked this forum for anything, but I am asking now..

lets get the kernel source

Htc must release the source in a timely matter, not just for us, but all devices out, and future ones coming. The best way to do this imo is not to start a big fire and smoke them out per say, but to go though proper channels. Obviously emailing them is having no effect, 120 days is not timely, I mean in 120 days this device will be outdated technically.
Imo this is the proper channel: http://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq.html
Go there, read their page and then email them. Here is the letter I sent to the. Subject, "htc again, this time the vision" :
"I just wanted to bring to your attention that htc is in violation of the gpl again. As I'm sure your aware from other devices they released, ie desire, they are not releasing kernel source codes in a timely manner. In the case of the desire it has been over 3 months and to my knowledge is still not released, however my complaint today is about the htc vision, known in the usa as the G2. This product was offically released on oct. 6 2010, with no source code available. When contacted about it, they said it will be 90-120 days before its available. Maybe I'm wrong, but as my interpertations of the gpl this is unacceptable. Since the product is commerically available, then surely the source code is, and just being held back purposely.
Thank you for your help!
Keep open source open!"
edit: 4:45 pm est 10-09-10
here is their response:
"We heard you. In fact, we got the message seven times
We have already been in contact with HTC and they have heard the message
loud and clear. I have no idea when it will be fixed though
armijn"

fastludeh22 said:
Htc must release the source in a timely matter, not just for us, but all devices out, and future ones coming. The best way to do this imo is not to start a big fire and smoke them out per say, but to go though proper channels. Obviously emailing them is having no effect, 120 days is not timely, I mean in 120 days this device will be outdated technically.
Imo this is the proper channel: http://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq.html
Go there, read their page and then email them. Here is the letter I sent to the. Subject, "htc again, this time the vision" :
"I just wanted to bring to your attention that htc is in violation of the gpl again. As I'm sure your aware from other devices they released, ie desire, they are not releasing kernel source codes in a timely manner. In the case of the desire it has been over 3 months and to my knowledge is still not released, however my complaint today is about the htc vision, known in the usa as the G2. This product was offically released on oct. 6 2010, with no source code available. When contacted about it, they said it will be 90-120 days before its available. Maybe I'm wrong, but as my interpertations of the gpl this is unacceptable. Since the product is commerically available, then surely the source code is, and just being held back purposely.
Thank you for your help!
Keep open source open!"
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No offense, but perhaps you should have someone proofread your letter first. There are a number of grammatical errors in there. If you're posting in the boards, people just don't care, but YOU should care if you're sending a letter that is supposed to be accepted as intelligent and factual.
I can't stress this enough. I know a guy that does AMAZING web-design, but never gets hired(without me as an intermediary anyways) because his grammar and spelling is horrible. He miss-spells every other word, uses many words out of context, and rarely uses proper punctuation and capitalization.
This is not a rant and rave, but if you'd like a regulatory entity to take you seriously, it's in your best interest to put your best foot forward and proofread.
Sorry if this comes off as 'complainy', but if you're going to represent a community as a whole, i.e. xda or developers entirely, just do so gracefully.

InGeNeTiCs said:
No offense, but perhaps you should have someone proofread your letter first. There are a number of grammatical errors in there. If you're posting in the boards, people just don't care, but YOU should care if you're sending a letter that is supposed to be accepted as intelligent and factual.
I can't stress this enough. I know a guy that does AMAZING web-design, but never gets hired(without me as an intermediary anyways) because his grammar and spelling is horrible. He miss-spells every other word, uses many words out of context, and rarely uses proper punctuation and capitalization.
This is not a rant and rave, but if you'd like a regulatory entity to take you seriously, it's in your best interest to put your best foot forward and proofread.
Sorry if this comes off as 'complainy', but if you're going to represent a community as a whole, i.e. xda or developers entirely, just do so gracefully.
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well, you are right. maybe i shouldnt have done it lying in bed from my phone. so do US a favor and send a better one...
when re-reading it, i noticed 1 run on sentence. could you point out the other errors for me so i can improve my writing skills...

Mistakes marked as bold, corrections in parentheses. Also, some word changes made to make it sound like an adult wrote it
I just wanted to bring to your attention that htc is in violation of the gpl again. Formal letters to companies should begin "To Whom It May Concern: As I'm sure your (you're) aware from other devices they have released, ie (i.e.) desire (the Desire), they are not releasing (htc has not been releasing) kernel source codes in a timely manner. In the case of the desire (Desire,) it has been over 3 months (since the device was released) and to my knowledge is still not released, (and, to my knowledge, the kernel remains unreleased.) however my complaint today (However, my complaint today) is about (in regards to) the htc vision (Vision), known in the usa (USA) as the G2. This product was offically (officially) released on oct. 6 2010 (Oct. 6, 2010), with no source code available. When contacted about it (contacted regarding this), they (htc) said (that) it will (would) be 90-120 days before its (the code [or source code] is made) available. Maybe (perhaps) I'm wrong (mistaken), but(,) as my interpertations of the gpl according to my interpretation of GPL,) this is unacceptable. Since the product is commerically available, then surely the source code is, and just being held back purposely. (Horrible closing sentence and "commercially" is misspelled and I believe you meant "purposefully")
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damn, i guess thats why i was always better at math, lol. i should have re-read it before sending it half asleep, but enough with the excuses. i see your point and that does sound better, HOWEVER, guess it was good enough for them, here is their response...
*also thanks to whoever else has sent, or will be sending emails to the proper channels
"We heard you. In fact, we got the message seven times
We have already been in contact with HTC and they have heard the message
loud and clear. I have no idea when it will be fixed though
armijn"

great idea -- sent this (edited and worded in my way, dont give a **** if its grammertikally inkorrect) from 6 gmails 3 yahoos 1 hotmail, one rocketmail, an earthlink, a comcast and a tmo.mail. and my law firm email, and just for hell, I faxed off a few to HTC Tmobile and to Apache on law firm letterhead (basic courtesy of notification) that how pissed i am -- this phone should have been delivered to us with first option after initial boot
"Hello dear customer, would you like to void your warranty right now and proceed to data wipe of our clunky bloaty bull****!!!!"
arrrgh

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i'm sorry,i just had to

Wow...
That's all I really have to say about this thread...
Sent from my HTC Vision

"To whom it may pertain to...
Just purchased a HTC T-mobile G2 aka HTC Vision and have been a avid HTC supporter for quite sometime. Ever since I owned my first HTC device the codenamed blueangel. The fact that HTC would work with the developer community pulled me toward your devices. I can't believe you guys (HTC) would lock down the successor to the device that helped you start the "open" revolution. I know it was most probably T-mobile that made you do it but that is besides the point. Especially since they have blamed you in the press. You have spit it the face of the developer community and shame on you and T-mobile. This protection will be broken I have no doubt of that but the fact that HTC put it there at all is what is in question. Please don't make this a race of protection...hack...protection...hack. OPEN means we should work together not against each other. So please do the right thing and help us either root these devices or give us the kernel source to help us along. Or even better do both of the above and show you respect the dev community like we all thought you did. Below I have included the first post of a stream that will become a torrent against HTC from the XDA devs.
Thanks for your cooperation."
Message I just sent HTC with a copy of the first post here. Don't care about grammar and neither will they if they receive enough complaints. We get enough people involved in this and it gets engadget or another blogs attention then maybe they will listen. This might be our only option considering the thinktank threads have gotten kinda quiet.

We cannot comment on whether or not HTC has blocked any customer from rooting or hacking their phone.
Rooting the phone may open the phone up to virus attacks and other un-secure activities, as well as introduce intended functionality, and as such is very difficult for us to support.
We cannot comment on whether or not HTC, Google, or T-Mobile has blocked any customer from rooting or hacking their phone.
All three companies work very closely to bring you the best experience on the phone possible.
I do understand how important it is to be able to use your device to the best of its capabilities.
We are not withholding the kernel; we are currently working through the legal channels that we must go through to make the kernel available to you. Each product is individually under review.
When the kernel is available, you will be able to find it on developer.htc.com. I apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced, and thank you for your patience in this matter.
You can contact HTC Technical Support via telephone by calling 866.449.8658 between 6AM – 1AM EST, seven days a week.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 10USCW42ENA000115.
Sincerely,
Sarah
HTC
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That was a quick generic response. boo...hiss...

My reply to HTC
I understand the position of HTC to not comment on the situation at hand even though it has already been outed in the press by T-mobile that HTC did indeed lock the phone. So either you are saying that the T-mobile press release was a hoax and HTC did nothing with write protection or HTC just want's the problem to go away. As far as not wanting us to root because of unsafe activities.... Well I don't even know where to start with that comment. We are all big boys and girls and can handle the effect of our actions. It's like saying Toyota installed a system in my car that will only let a certified technician open the hood because I may insert washer fluid into the engine instead of oil. Most companies would love it if you would void your warranty. Does it not lead to less operating cost for HTC in the long run to not support it's products because the warranties are void? You don't want me to void my warranty then do as the GPS companies do and make a disclaimer that I have to read and agree to before I go any further. Also on the subject of voiding warranties did HTC not say that G2 had 4gb's of internal storage? Yet only 1.2gb are available for use because of this lock? Back to the car analogies. If Ford says your car has 200 horse power in the brochure and (AFTER!!!!) you buy it you learn that only 50 horse power is unlocked you might be a little angry. No? I understand the position of all big companies is to play dumb until something either is forgotten or legal channels make them play smart but I do have to say that I did not expect this out of HTC. This post isn't directed at you Sarah but merely my G2 and thousands of others crippled devices. If you could pass this and my prior message to someone higher up that might at least read it and think it over it would be greatly appreciated.
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11/21/11 Amazon free app

Amazon's free app is Docs2Go today (11/21/11). Get it while the getting's good. $15 app for free.
~ Kelly ~
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe!" -Albert Einstein
- Sent from my Transformer TF101 via Tapatalk

Damn! I was about to post this . Also, don't get confused by the double download.. you gotta go back and install the actual app.

Every time I go to install the Documents 2 Go Free Main App, my Market FC's on me! I can install and/or update any other application, except for the free main app of Documents 2 Go!
ANyone else seeing this issue?
I've tried clearing data & cache for the Market app and rebooting - no help.
Any ideas?
Thanks!

Can someone post it for those of us not in the US ?
And yes I get the FC too - someone on the transformer forums found a fix, I cant remember what it was now - something about updating Doc2Go first or something

rykatemom said:
Amazon's free app is Docs2Go today (11/21/11). Get it while the getting's good. $15 app for free.
~ Kelly ~
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe!" -Albert Einstein
- Sent from my Transformer TF101 via Tapatalk
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Please stop perpetrating the myth that Einstein ever said that quote. At least bother looking it up before you use it all willy nilly like and pretend it's legitimate.

Gary13579 said:
Please stop perpetrating the myth that Einstein ever said that quote. At least bother looking it up before you use it all willy nilly like and pretend it's legitimate.
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Ok, this has got to be the most off-topic post I've seen... C'mon - really? He can put whatever he wants in his sig!

^lol i know right? seriously "brony" chill out with that. back on topic thanks OP. will grab this later.

Is it the same on the tablet as the phone or is there an "HD" version?

This is just the unlock key. You have to download/install the main app separately. There is only one version of the app (Unlike Quick Office Pro last week, which DID have two versions, both of which were free during the day - Go Amazon!)

Downloaded it - like quick office HD better because it lets me access my dropbox folder through the app instead of needing a second app to automatically sync. Unless there's something I'm missing...
I'll switch when there's a full featured android office suite with spell check... or I when I can use windows live on my TF...

Doesn't come close to being any of use for my needs. It doesn't even show check boxes in my excel sheets.

@Gary13579:
1) I am a university student, majoring in Anthropology, specifically in physical anthropology. I am by no means stupid, and capable of quite in-depth research. While I didn't write a dissertation on the man, I did research the quote before I added it, attributed to Einstein, to my signature.
2) I also happen to have Asperger's Syndrome. Do a little research on the disorder, and you will understand that I do NOTHING willy-nilly. I am very deliberate, obsessively so, ESPECIALLY when citing or quoting a source. I also happen to be a published writer, so plagerism is near the top of my list of unforgivable sins.
3) Did you happen to know Einstein? Spend all your time with the man? Every waking moment, every breath, every word, from birth to death? Yeah, I didn't think so. While I can freely admit that it is absolutely possible that Einstein did not utter the quote in my signature in any form or fashion, I also feel compelled to point out that it is entirely possible that he DID say those words. Bear in mind that most famous quotes from notable historic figures are misreperesented, misattributed, or paraphrased. It's not that serious, man.
4) When your life is so entirely lame and boring that the best use of your time that you are able to find is logging into forums about a piece of technology that Einstein likely couldn't even conceive of in his time (and the man is purported to have quite an imagingation) and get your panties in a bunch being a troll about a quote that someone has in their signature that is commonly attributed to Einstein by historians and scholars, I offer you my pity.
Also, as I can't resist pointing this fact out, even though the mods may very well scold me for it (and my apologies to them if this does indeed break the rules of the forums), that quote is in my signature line especially for people like you.
~ Kelly ~
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe!" -Albert Einstein
- Sent from my Transformer TF101 via Tapatalk

jmt230 said:
Downloaded it - like quick office HD better because it lets me access my dropbox folder through the app instead of needing a second app to automatically sync. Unless there's something I'm missing...
I'll switch when there's a full featured android office suite with spell check... or I when I can use windows live on my TF...
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I'm able to use Windows Live on my TF, at least OneNote and Word. I have to agree with you on Quick Office HD though. I really like it quite a bit, but I know people are rather personal in their taste for apps, so I figured it was worth passing along the heads up. I keep both on my TF, as I prefer working with PowerPoint through D2G, but use QOHD for everything else. You wouldn't happen to know why none of the office programs offer spell check, do you? Is it some issue with how Android implements something, or just one of those things that is hard to code?
~ Kelly ~
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe!" -Albert Einstein
- Sent from my Transformer TF101 via Tapatalk

Thinkfree is the only office app that shows everything. Recently a student from Mexico emailed me asking for help on a project. His excel had a lot of stuff that I found I couldn't view with my office apps except thinkfree. I have all of them btw. Here are a couple screenshots.
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@goodintentions: Thanks so much for the heads up man, I appreciate it. I'll check out ThinkFree.
~ Kelly ~
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe!" -Albert Einstein
- Sent from my Transformer TF101 via Tapatalk

rykatemom said:
@Gary13579:
1) I am a university student, majoring in Anthropology, specifically in physical anthropology. I am by no means stupid, and capable of quite in-depth research. While I didn't write a dissertation on the man, I did research the quote before I added it, attributed to Einstein, to my signature.
2) I also happen to have Asperger's Syndrome. Do a little research on the disorder, and you will understand that I do NOTHING willy-nilly. I am very deliberate, obsessively so, ESPECIALLY when citing or quoting a source. I also happen to be a published writer, so plagerism is near the top of my list of unforgivable sins.
3) Did you happen to know Einstein? Spend all your time with the man? Every waking moment, every breath, every word, from birth to death? Yeah, I didn't think so. While I can freely admit that it is absolutely possible that Einstein did not utter the quote in my signature in any form or fashion, I also feel compelled to point out that it is entirely possible that he DID say those words. Bear in mind that most famous quotes from notable historic figures are misreperesented, misattributed, or paraphrased. It's not that serious, man.
4) When your life is so entirely lame and boring that the best use of your time that you are able to find is logging into forums about a piece of technology that Einstein likely couldn't even conceive of in his time (and the man is purported to have quite an imagingation) and get your panties in a bunch being a troll about a quote that someone has in their signature that is commonly attributed to Einstein by historians and scholars, I offer you my pity.
Also, as I can't resist pointing this fact out, even though the mods may very well scold me for it (and my apologies to them if this does indeed break the rules of the forums), that quote is in my signature line especially for people like you.
~ Kelly ~
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe!" -Albert Einstein
- Sent from my Transformer TF101 via Tapatalk
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Slow. clap. Bravo. That was a well deserved and probably overdue 2-handed beat down. It should be noted that if you do a search for the quote in Google, *EVERY* result in the first 2 pages of results attributes the quote to Albert Einstein. So while it may be possible that AE didn't actually say it, I'd say there is more proof that he DID than proof that he didn't. Jus sayin.

rykatemom said:
@Gary13579:
1) I am a university student, majoring in Anthropology, specifically in physical anthropology. I am by no means stupid, and capable of quite in-depth research. While I didn't write a dissertation on the man, I did research the quote before I added it, attributed to Einstein, to my signature.
2) I also happen to have Asperger's Syndrome. Do a little research on the disorder, and you will understand that I do NOTHING willy-nilly. I am very deliberate, obsessively so, ESPECIALLY when citing or quoting a source. I also happen to be a published writer, so plagerism is near the top of my list of unforgivable sins.
3) Did you happen to know Einstein? Spend all your time with the man? Every waking moment, every breath, every word, from birth to death? Yeah, I didn't think so. While I can freely admit that it is absolutely possible that Einstein did not utter the quote in my signature in any form or fashion, I also feel compelled to point out that it is entirely possible that he DID say those words. Bear in mind that most famous quotes from notable historic figures are misreperesented, misattributed, or paraphrased. It's not that serious, man.
4) When your life is so entirely lame and boring that the best use of your time that you are able to find is logging into forums about a piece of technology that Einstein likely couldn't even conceive of in his time (and the man is purported to have quite an imagingation) and get your panties in a bunch being a troll about a quote that someone has in their signature that is commonly attributed to Einstein by historians and scholars, I offer you my pity.
Also, as I can't resist pointing this fact out, even though the mods may very well scold me for it (and my apologies to them if this does indeed break the rules of the forums), that quote is in my signature line especially for people like you.
~ Kelly ~
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe!" -Albert Einstein
- Sent from my Transformer TF101 via Tapatalk
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I'm sorry, I missed your post when you responded. Thanks to whoever decided to bump a 3+ month old thread!
1) Anthropology is completely unrelated to this conversation. I understand that you are trying to make a case for yourself by asserting your profession, but it is unwarrented and appears rather egotistic. If you had done some research, you surely would have come across this conversation http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Albert_Einstein#Formerly_unsourced.2C_now_in_article (control f, "two things") which has traced the quote back to 1880, while Einstein was only 1 year old. Sure, Einstein may have repeated the phrase, but then we're entering Michael Scott territory. If you aren't a "The Office" fan, this image pretty much sums it up http://i.imgur.com/7WFWs.jpg . Attributing a quote to someone implies that they authored it, and there's no actual physical proof that Einstein did any such thing (in fact, there's no real proof of him ever using the phrase, beyond a single book). Although it's certainly possible that the author wasn't lying, as I'm sure you're well aware, people love sticking silly rumors onto Einstein's name as he was (and still is) such an iconic figure of the 20th century. You are surely aware of such silly rumors as him being dyslexic, which has been disproven time and time again, yet the myth persists.
2) I'm very familiar with Asperger's, as well as most of the spectrum. If you had done your research, you surely would have found what I have posted in #1. That alone should be enough for any Asperger to have enough doubt about the author of the quote to stop misattributing it to him.
3) Irrelevant, as I'm sure you are well aware, the burden of proof lies on the accuser, not the accused. I can claim to have magical powers and ask you to disprove it -- you can't.
4) This just seems like a personal attack on me. Come now, are two logic driven adults not capable of having a civilized debate without resorting to terms such as "troll" and "no life"? I'm not sure what to rebuttal here -- do you want proof of my life?
Lol @ mods scolding you for it. This entire thing is off topic and is my fault, but it takes a lot more than implying I am stupid to get punishment. And you can imply I'm stupid all you wish. I am still a genius, regardless of what silly name calling you decide to partake in.
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Slow. clap. Bravo. That was a well deserved and probably overdue 2-handed beat down. It should be noted that if you do a search for the quote in Google, *EVERY* result in the first 2 pages of results attributes the quote to Albert Einstein. So while it may be possible that AE didn't actually say it, I'd say there is more proof that he DID than proof that he didn't. Jus sayin.
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It should also be noted that if you search Einstein and dyslexia, you get quite literally thousands of websites stating he was dyslexic. As we all know, this is nothing more than a myth. Confirmation bias is a very interesting thing when it comes to the internet and myths. Myths start to become accepted as fact, and they rely on other websites perpetrating the myth in order to back up their claim. You can convince the world that a god exists, and they will believe it, but when it comes down to it there's zero physical proof.
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Damn, I was waiting for midnight so I could get the free Office app from Amazon on the 21st. I figure you guys are in a different time zone, I keep checking and it's NOT THERE! and then, I realize this thread is from TWO MONTHS AGO.
Anyone calls me stupid better duck. LOL

Surely this doesn't belong in the TF section, not only for the fact it's general Android related, but it's also US-only...
I frankly don't give a crap about what Amazon are trying to bribe Americans to use their Marketplace instead of Googles each day...

Gary13579 said:
I'm sorry, I missed your post when you responded. Thanks to whoever decided to bump a 3+ month old thread!
1) Anthropology is completely unrelated to this conversation. I understand that you are trying to make a case for yourself by asserting your profession, but it is unwarrented and appears rather egotistic. If you had done some research, you surely would have come across this conversation http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Albert_Einstein#Formerly_unsourced.2C_now_in_article (control f, "two things") which has traced the quote back to 1880, while Einstein was only 1 year old. Sure, Einstein may have repeated the phrase, but then we're entering Michael Scott territory. If you aren't a "The Office" fan, this image pretty much sums it up http://i.imgur.com/7WFWs.jpg . Attributing a quote to someone implies that they authored it, and there's no actual physical proof that Einstein did any such thing (in fact, there's no real proof of him ever using the phrase, beyond a single book). Although it's certainly possible that the author wasn't lying, as I'm sure you're well aware, people love sticking silly rumors onto Einstein's name as he was (and still is) such an iconic figure of the 20th century. You are surely aware of such silly rumors as him being dyslexic, which has been disproven time and time again, yet the myth persists.
2) I'm very familiar with Asperger's, as well as most of the spectrum. If you had done your research, you surely would have found what I have posted in #1. That alone should be enough for any Asperger to have enough doubt about the author of the quote to stop misattributing it to him.
3) Irrelevant, as I'm sure you are well aware, the burden of proof lies on the accuser, not the accused. I can claim to have magical powers and ask you to disprove it -- you can't.
4) This just seems like a personal attack on me. Come now, are two logic driven adults not capable of having a civilized debate without resorting to terms such as "troll" and "no life"? I'm not sure what to rebuttal here -- do you want proof of my life?
Lol @ mods scolding you for it. This entire thing is off topic and is my fault, but it takes a lot more than implying I am stupid to get punishment. And you can imply I'm stupid all you wish. I am still a genius, regardless of what silly name calling you decide to partake in.
It should also be noted that if you search Einstein and dyslexia, you get quite literally thousands of websites stating he was dyslexic. As we all know, this is nothing more than a myth. Confirmation bias is a very interesting thing when it comes to the internet and myths. Myths start to become accepted as fact, and they rely on other websites perpetrating the myth in order to back up their claim. You can convince the world that a god exists, and they will believe it, but when it comes down to it there's zero physical proof.
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That's pretty interesting. I was reading his post and here are my thoughts as a 3rd party observer:
1) Trying to set professional credence to his words in an idiotic attempt. People can major in any field, but you can't judge a person's intelligence from that decision. Sure, as a physics major, I look down on english majors, but that's mostly because I don't agree with their irresponsible decision. I judge people AFTER I talk to them. (Notice how I drop my degree in an attempt to give some status to myself like that guy did?)
2) Great, what a sob story I'm hearing. As a person whose ancestors have been destroyed by lack of attention to careful details, I always... etc. Goes on. I could come up with any number of back stories to make myself get pity and give reasons for why I am astute and meticulous. However, the only thing that matters is an ability to cite trustworthy sources.
3) Quotes can be attributed to anyone. I also find it funny that an anthropology major is questioning how much we can know about dead people if we didn't live with them.
4) Good example of a chaotic situation. A tablet is a completely determinable item, but it apparently took a bunch of mistakes (other prototypes) before we arrived to this invention. It was similar for a bike. I don't think Zhuangzi himself could have imagined a bicycle.
Anyway, what was this argument about? A quote attributed to a dead guy whose popularity far exceeded that which is attributed to most of his supporting cast who did much of the work? (Not that Einstein wasn't great for his creativity, but to be honest, his work was in innovative thinking, not carrying out the meticulous Asperger like detail work you do.)
Sorry, I've quote the wrong text, but whatever! I ain't an aspie. (I hate all these people vying for guilt and pity, I'm a socially awkward person, but I don't need some soft-pseudo-scientist labeling me.)

Motorola Failure to Meet Update Commitments; Petition.

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As many owners of Motorola's Atrix, Atrix HD, Moto E and other models know all too well...
- Motorola has not maintained an organized or regular update cycle for their devices.
- Motorola has repeatedly broken vague promises and hard commitments to update devices.
- This includes cases where the updates were promised on the Motorola website.
- This includes a case where the update was released with details posted on-line but was not actually delivered to the devices stated.
- There has been an instance where an OTA that was a 5.0.x update was displayed as 5.1.x when being installed.
- Some of the affected devices are not service provider branded (just Moto) so Motorola cannot blame the SP as they have in the past.
Picking up on an idea considered when Motorola backed out of their commitment to update the Atrix HD to Lollipop last year, an on-line petition has been created to let Motorola know this is not right. It is focused on the Moto E but is crafted so it can be signed by anyone who has been betrayed by Motorola's failed update commitments or want to see a better way of handling updates. If there is any resolution as a result of this petition, it is unlikely to extend far but we can still let them know about it.
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-f...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
Of course feel free to share details about pertinent experiences here in this thread but if you want Motorola to hear it, sign the petition and share the link to it. Also, For the Moto E you can make it known here at the Moto thread where details about the Moto E update are posted https://forums.motorola.com/posts/83391de77a?page=1.
Motorola once was, and should still be, capable of better than this!
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Nov 1, 2016, Greetings:
Motorola. Has finally updated most of the Moto E line to Android Marshmallow. Even some of the devices thought to be left off the update list (such as US retail single sim XT1511) eventually got Marshmallow, although sadly only after many boot-loaders were unlocked. Also, this Change.org petition for Moto E has been automatically closed (naturally expired), which was timely because it serves no purpose anymore, so I'll leave it expired and will ask to have this thread closed. I thank all who participated with signatures or in spirit. It was small in scope but every little bit helps.
One last thing: Although Moto E has been updated, Motorola has not mended it's poor updating ways and have done something similar (even worse by many measures) to yet another device, the Moto G3. There is a petition for that described in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/2015...sprey-t3476321 which I encourage all affected to sign.

You should probably post this in AF also, if you've not already dine so.
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starkly_raving said:
You should probably post this in AF also, if you've not already dine so.
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If you mean Android Forums, I've dug up some links to old posts of mine there (or was it Android Central, I don't recall) but they did not seem like good spots for this. Still, it's a good idea. I should be able to find a suitable place at other forums, and am open to specific recommendations. Also, everyone should feel free to share the link to the petition.

Signed and shared.

IronTechmonkey said:
If you mean Android Forums, I've dug up some links to old posts of mine there (or was it Android Central, I don't recall) but they did not seem like good spots for this. Still, it's a good idea. I should be able to find a suitable place at other forums, and am open to specific recommendations. Also, everyone should feel free to share the link to the petition.
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Maybe post on Reddit too? The Android community is pretty big there.

Signed!

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Maybe post on Reddit too? The Android community is pretty big there.
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Another good idea. Thanks!

I think you guys shouldnt give a penny to motorola instead of moaning to let them hear your voice. Motorola simply doesnt give the smallest damn about this kind of petitions. Tried and didnt work for numerous times. Dont buy motorola, dont let anyone around you buy motorolas, that is what motorola deserves for their customer relations, marketing and update lies.
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Semseddin said:
I think you guys shouldnt give a penny to motorola instead of moaning to let them hear your voice. Motorola simply doesnt give the smallest damn about this kind of petitions. Tried and didnt work for numerous times. Dont buy motorola, dont let anyone around you buy motorolas, that is what motorola deserves for their customer relations, marketing and update lies.
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Boycott is not a bad idea either but that sort of action may actually be harder to organize than efforts like a petition. Have you ever organized a boycott or a petition about this subject? The action of withholding dollars, and the action of creating a petition are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately many of us already posses these devices and do not have the option to redirect money to a different device at this point but would still like to do something about it. There are no guarantees, but this type of pressure has been made to work before. For me personally, having first used Motorola gear in the form of gray brick shaped walkie talkies and under-dash radios in the 1980s, and since then always being impressed with whatever Motorola device I encountered across a wide range of hardware types; wanting to see Moto do better is part of this. Also, please do note that discouraging the petition and calling it "moaning" in the very thread where it is shared may not go over well.

I miss IDEN.

nobreak1970 said:
I miss IDEN.
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What am I missing here?
[EDIT] Oh, I see. You're going old school as well. Nice.

IronTechmonkey said:
Boycott is not a bad idea either but that sort of action may actually be harder to organize than efforts like a petition. Have you ever organized a boycott or a petition about this subject? The action of withholding dollars, and the action of creating a petition are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately many of us already posses these devices and do not have the option to redirect money to a different device at this point but would still like to do something about it. There are no guarantees, but this type of pressure has been made to work before. For me personally, having first used Motorola gear in the form of gray brick shaped walkie talkies and under-dash radios in the 1980s, and since then always being impressed with whatever Motorola device I encountered across a wide range of hardware types; wanting to see Moto do better is part of this. Also, please do note that discouraging the petition and calling it "moaning" in the very thread where it is shared may not go over well.
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I haven't organized a petition like this before but participated for atrix 4g ics update and xt910 bootloader unlock petitions back in time, the electronic signs were counted by nearly 10k and motorola didnt give the smallest damn about those, just igroned us. I am not here to discourage anyone but i posted just to say dont bother your precious time to tame a liar company in a friendly manner, not worth it. They dont listen to their customers at all. I also like motorola hardware and that is where it ends for me, everything else in motorola just have the stinkny worst smell of all. Their marketing, service team, software team are all the worst but they used to have good engineers, not sure if they still have them looking at their 2015 portfolio can be called at best pathetic.
Hope you guys get the updates you deserve for your devices though. Just dont buy anything else branded motorola in future, this will teach them better how to behave as a responsible company when they dont see money flowing into their vault.
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.....electronic signs were counted by nearly 10k...
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10k? To believe that number I would have to have see proof, including the specific details and target/recipient of the petition.
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. .. I am not here to discourage anyone but i posted just to say dont bother your precious time...
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Within one 18 word statement you contradict yourself. If you don't like the food being served then don't pull up to the table. Perhaps you could vent by creating an anti petition petition that discourages people from signing petitions, but whatever you do please take it elsewhere.

Not really surprised by this sadly.

IronTechmonkey said:
10k? To believe that number I would have to have see proof, including the specific details and target/recipient of the petition.
Within one 18 word statement you contradict yourself. If you don't like the food being served then don't pull up to the table. Perhaps you could vent by creating an anti petition petition that discourages people from signing petitions, but whatever you do please take it elsewhere.
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Whatever, live your dream. Here is your numbers. Operation mosh, signed by 16k
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
Supportmymoto, no numbers but way above 10k supporters and real media support in a pro way.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32363139#post32363139
Now, you got ur numbers. Those petitions were for phones in premium range above 400$. Motorola just ignored them. You believe motorola would give a damn about your 50$ phone? Good luck with your dreams.
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...Operation mosh, signed by 16k https://www.change.org/p/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
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Impressive that they got 16k and I agree with it in principal but that is a request to unlock bootloader, against which Motorola (and other device manufacturers) are well insulated legally. The same is not necessarily the case for provably failed published commitments to provide a product or service.
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Supportmymoto, no numbers but way above 10k supporters and real media support in a pro way.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32363139#post32363139
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A well presented case with good coverage but again, it is for getting an unlocked bootloader which is a steeper uphill battle.
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....Good luck with your dreams....
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Thank you for the warm wishes, and for the details of the other actions, which I did find informative, helpful, and actually encouraging (although I still have modest hopes).

i am impressed the poll has 80 / 100 right now cool !
I wouldn't have had to rip my hair out today trying to install v5.1 onto my Moto-E if they update with my oem (Telus)
It sucks because i just wanted to run the stock rom
I got it installed but no matter what i tried i couldn't get the provider connection back for calls/txt's
What a drag too ..i swear it started up and ran fast than 5.0.2 (what i went back to)
Thank god i made a TWRP backup before meddling with things..
So hell yeah i voted
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It's totally stupid they only updated *some of the oem's with 5.1
that is a massive slap in the face to those of us who missed out on v5.1 Lollipop !

I won't buy Motorola any more

Just a bit of an update. The petition now has 120 signatures which tells me that people must be sharing the link. Thanks to everyone who has signed and circulated it! I don't know what that really means in terms of the ability to exert some commercial pressure on Motorola but it does indicate that there are many people impacted by this, especially when you consider that there are likely large #s of people using the affected devices who don't participate in forums like this.
When I first gathered contact information for the petition, Motorola Customer Service provided an email address for the CEO that turned out to be incorrect. Fortunately I had others and sent a test email to see which would be rejected as invalid before creating the petition. Considering that experience, I've started searching outside the Moto support track for names and contact information for all of the Moto executives and departments that I can find to widen the target.
Thanks again to all who've signed, circulated, and provided constructive input.
[EDIT] Shared by user hyzteric at the Moto "excuse making forum" https://forums.motorola.com/posts/83391de77a?commentId=1000234#1000234 is news that the Mote E is still being sold which is really low.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-either-update-moto-e-or-stop-selling-it
I already knew this but had not considered the ramifications. They are still sticking it to new purchasers of those devices. Lower than low!

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Soooo, although we differ on the merits of a petition we are in the same boat (betrayed by Moto) even if we may disagree on how to navigate it, and I must thank you for the details of the actions to which you referred. While hunting down email addresses of Moto's executives I also found the addresses from one of those previous actions. Between the ones I found that were not on that list and the ones from that list we now have a wider target for the petition.
Seriously - Thanks!
One thing I hope we have going for us this time is that it was/is not illegal for Motorola to decline to share their source code, but what they did this time might actually be illegal or at least actionable in a commercial sense.

IS the dashboard hijacking our texts?

I downloaded the app "Servicely" and it can disable services and apps to prolong your battery and what not, well i opened it up to take a look and i was going through each apps running services.. Not all mind you as there are a ton but i was scrolling down through OnePlus 6T dashboard app and one of the services was ".mms.SmsHijackerService" .
This of course grabbed my attention. Does anybody know what this is and is a lot more Innocent then what it looks like? I also read something earlier tonight about One plus does steal info behind users backs...not sure if it was a BS article or if out had some truth to it ( sure everything has truth to it) . So after reading that then seeing this i was like WTF. Are my texts being hijacked and sent to them. There was a few other ones with names that at least if they are what i think they are, they hid the name better. I have a screen shot here not sure if i
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That's interesting -.- I have no words hopefully oneplus ain't hijacking our text messages.

I think they need to hijack sms and mms just to display it in the Dashboard. At least I hope so.
Nevermind, I am using a custom ROM.

Ryan Mixed said:
That's interesting -.- I have no words hopefully oneplus ain't hijacking our text messages.
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I have found nothing online about it. Very strange, i figured if anybody knew it would be someone on here. I am going to keep digging into it.

@Funk Wizard
My good man, got any inside on this?

fogame said:
@Funk Wizard
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You won't hear from him till there's an stable OOS update.

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You won't hear from him till there's an stable OOS update.
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Lol true. He might respond though. He answers my messages.
Hope for the best, expect the worst.

Has anybody else seen this or have it on their device?

Jrod333 said:
Has anybody else seen this or have it on their device?
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I have the same on OOS 9.012

gogoffm said:
I have the same on OOS 9.012
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I am on 9.0.11 , so it doesn't go away in an update ha ha not that i thought it would. Seems shady but also why on earth would they name it something that seems shady....... I am going to try to install this sms reader module i read about, it logs all data & sms that leave your phone. Find out if any leave that A) i didn't write & B) go somewhere i didn't send...hopefully the app can tell me that..... if it turns out not , Do you or anybody know of an app that can do that ? I think that would solve all my paranoia that every app i have is sending out my information.

Jrod333 said:
I am on 9.0.11 , so it doesn't go away in an update ha ha not that i thought it would. Seems shady but also why on earth would they name it something that seems shady....... I am going to try to install this sms reader module i read about, it logs all data & sms that leave your phone. Find out if any leave that A) i didn't write & B) go somewhere i didn't send...hopefully the app can tell me that..... if it turns out not , Do you or anybody know of an app that can do that ? I think that would solve all my paranoia that every app i have is sending out my information.
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Agree, the name is really strange we should wait the reply from the OP guy....

I put an aluminum foil cover on my phone, and it went away...
the paranoia here is impressive...

MarcoLK said:
I think they need to hijack sms and mms just to display it in the Dashboard. At least I hope so.
Nevermind, I am using a custom ROM.
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Does the Dashboard display sms? Maybe I don't understand what the Dashboard is?

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I put an aluminum foil cover on my phone, and it went away...
the paranoia here is impressive...
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Hmmm... don't want to start drama as I'm sure you didn't intend to, but I'm one of those "paranoid" or conscious as I prefer.
I'm huge on keeping up with geopolitics and some of us should really research the history of China, and I don't mean reading modern, watered-down history literature. China's CCP is the biggest and most vast "Big Brother" in the world except for intelligence in the US/Europe. Not only that, but they are VERY open about the intrusion of privacy amongst it's own people along with the current controversy on China's LONG history of Intellectual Property theft. Read anything re: China's (state owned and funded) Huawei these days (also, notice Huawei's focus on high quality cameras.. eyes everywhere), I will never own anything they produce and I'm sad to say I may be skeptical of this phone now, sadly. And here's a fun-fact.... I'm a Chinese-American, no joke lol
This is very concerning and I think these questions should continue to be asked higher up. I will definitely research this and watch this thread closely.
Please post any finding on it's nature and update us on if we can remove/block the apk. I will do some testing after work.
- Former GE Engineer and Chinese Businessman Charged with Economic Espionage and Theft of GE’s Trade Secrets - An indictment unsealed today charges Xiaoqing Zheng, 56, of Niskayuna, New York, and Zhaoxi Zhang, 47, of Liaoning Province, China, with economic espionage and conspiring to steal General Electric’s (GE’s) trade secrets surrounding turbine technologies, knowing
- The future of the smartphone camera is here, it’s not Apple and it’s disturbing - "Mashable’s Stan Schroeder snapped this picture that, while grainy, gives a sense of the potential spy-power of the phone’s camera."
- Chinese Infiltration in US Reaches ‘Extreme’ Levels - "There are a minimum of 50,000 Chinese Communist Party (CCP) spies at U.S. companies, government agencies, and U.S. military."
- China Infiltration Into U.S. Education System - "Chinese government has infiltrated nearly every sector of the U.S. education system via a package of programs and monetary schemes that seek to indoctrinate American children and bring the Communist government’s propaganda into the classroom, according to a new report by a Senate investigatory body."
- Why Chinese Steel is Unsafe For Your Next Steel Building Project - Weak steel flooded into the market by the Chinese creates weak infrastructure and military components in rival countries... along with destroying the steel market itself.
Edit: After some initial research, OnePlus is a little more distant than Huawei when it comes to state relations.. but keep in mind that China announced last year a new law that "requires cloud services offered to Chinese citizens be operated by Chinese companies and that the data be stored in China". Why do you think that is....? NEVER EVER EVER trust ANYONE/ANYTHING that says they're from/with the government and that they are there to help you. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
This is a tech/dev forum, so I'll stop here to stay on that topic. But please... understand that there's always a threat to your freedom, it's up to the masses to protect it from the >1% of those working tirelessly to take it.
WWG1WGA!!!

that's fine, and being "conscious" is always appropriate in dealing with all things internet..
however, it always makes me chuckle how so many folks are super paranoid of their privacy being invaded, yet they spend half their lives on faceschnook, tweeter, Snapchat, "the gram" and on and on, plus, as I am sure you already know that once you have an email account, an internet plan, a cell phone, a credit card, a car payment, what ever, you can pretty much kiss any semblance of personal privacy goodbye..

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Every time I do that it really messes my Wi-Fi signal up...

If you use Chinese aluminum foil, it some how works...

wase4711 said:
that's fine, and being "conscious" is always appropriate in dealing with all things internet..
however, it always makes me chuckle how so many folks are super paranoid of their privacy being invaded, yet they spend half their lives on faceschnook, tweeter, Snapchat, "the gram" and on and on, plus, as I am sure you already know that once you have an email account, an internet plan, a cell phone, a credit card, a car payment, what ever, you can pretty much kiss any semblance of personal privacy goodbye..
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You are giving alot assumptions (? ) about me when you don't even know me. I don't have half those things you listed and if I did or if anybody did that automatically takes their right to privacy away? I will always be concerned with that and as I do agree you can't stop it all as everything you have is tied to you in some digital public way, it does not mean we should just give up... That's your choice not mine. But let's get back to the original topic... As this is what this site is for. If you want to argue the topics hipocricy and all that good stuff (because I gladly will) we can do that else where.

I never made ONE SINGLE assumption about you, so no pity party for you..
and, you said I "gave up"..where EXACTLY did I say that?
you cant make stuff up to fit your narrative dude, so dont try..
even XDA hides tracking cookies on your devices, so deal with it..
and, please show me where it says we have a "right" to privacy...

..Cory.. said:
Hmmm... don't want to start drama as I'm sure you didn't intend to, but I'm one of those "paranoid" or conscious as I prefer.
I'm huge on keeping up with geopolitics and some of us should really research the history of China, and I don't mean reading modern, watered-down history literature. China's CCP is the biggest and most vast "Big Brother" in the world except for intelligence in the US/Europe. Not only that, but they are VERY open about the intrusion of privacy amongst it's own people along with the current controversy on China's LONG history of Intellectual Property theft. Read anything re: China's (state owned and funded) Huawei these days (also, notice Huawei's focus on high quality cameras.. eyes everywhere), I will never own anything they produce and I'm sad to say I may be skeptical of this phone now, sadly. And here's a fun-fact.... I'm a Chinese-American, no joke lol
This is very concerning and I think these questions should continue to be asked higher up. I will definitely research this and watch this thread closely.
Please post any finding on it's nature and update us on if we can remove/block the apk. I will do some testing after work.
- Chinese Infiltration in US Reaches ‘Extreme’ Levels - "There are a minimum of 50,000 Chinese Communist Party (CCP) spies at U.S. companies, government agencies, and U.S. military."
- China Infiltration Into U.S. Education System - "Chinese government has infiltrated nearly every sector of the U.S. education system via a package of programs and monetary schemes that seek to indoctrinate American children and bring the Communist government’s propaganda into the classroom, according to a new report by a Senate investigatory body."
- Why Chinese Steel is Unsafe For Your Next Steel Building Project - Weak steel flooded into the market by the Chinese creates weak infrastructure and military components in rival countries... along with destroying the steel market itself.
Edit: After some initial research, OnePlus is a little more distant than Huawei when it comes to state relations.. but keep in mind that China announced last year a new law that "requires cloud services offered to Chinese citizens be operated by Chinese companies and that the data be stored in China". Why do you think that is....? NEVER EVER EVER trust ANYONE/ANYTHING that says they're from/with the government and that they are there to help you. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
This is a tech/dev forum, so I'll stop here to stay on that topic. But please... understand that there's always a threat to your freedom, it's up to the masses to protect it from the >1% of those working tirelessly to take it.
WWG1WGA!!!
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I will keep researching as it has peaked my curiosity. By the way I agree with you. As I can't take it as far as not owning anything made in China as I find that impossible I do limit it where ever I can. And Mr. Tinfoil hat isn't entirely wrong in stating if you have email. Etc then your privacy has been invaded, if everybody read and understood the fine print in every app alone they download, I bet they would think twice. Google freaking owns us and everything we create... You give it to them the min you agree and download this or that... It's sad really.