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I am a rather happy owner of a Galaxy Tab for the past 36 hours and I just wanted to share my feelings about the usage as a phone. Until I own it I was pretty much convinced this was going to be my main phone, just a question of being able to use a Bluetooth headset with it.
I am not 100% sure anymore.
First, and probably because it's the first time I use a headset I have found this much less convenient than using a phone (This is hopefully just a question of getting used to it). Can't see who is calling (Yep with the right headset the name will show, I may purchase one, but still wont have the picture), people around can hear much better what you're saying, if if you have to manipulate the tab for whatever reason, given its size you feel clumsy
Second, texting while walking in the street is pretty much more difficult. The Tab is big, easy to drop (Read the few threads around of people who broke their screen). It takes me half a second to take my Touch Pro 2 out of my pocket, get the keyboard out and type some messages while walking. And given its size I nearly never dropped it (And whenever I did it always survived without being wounded ). I am definitely slower with my tab (Plus I have to get used to use an on-screen keyboard, but then yeah on this I guess it's a question of getting used to it)
Third (maybe funny): while in meetings I didn't see anybody raise an eyebrow whenever I was texting with my TP2 (looks a bit like a blackberry and anyway quite discrete) I can see how much attention I draw whenever I answer some txt or emails now ! And with the screen size it make sit easy to see what I ma doing... Not the Tab's neg, but for me kind of a drawback
Last one (This one may make some laugh): I love clubbing, bar hoping, etc... I thought it would fit my back pocket. And it does ! however try dancing with that in your back pocket... That's not gonna work And there is no way I'd leave my phone at the cloak, I need it with me (take phone numbers, give direction to friends, etc...). I'd be better off leaving the Tab in the cloak and still go around with a small device (Even an average sized device like my TP2 handles OK while dancing)
I love the form factor, so easy to carry around, but in the end I understand much better Blackberry's approach with the Playbook, it's probably the best way to go, and I am considering using the Tab as a second device.
However I see the pain ahead... Don't wanna have 2 plans. And that's where it sucks. It seems in many countries you are able to have 2 SIM cards with the same number (With kind of a master device and a slave one). Couldn't find anything similar with AT&T in the US If anybody ever heard of this kind of services.... It would be perfect. Then I can still swap SIM cards but that sucks... (And I guess if you do it 5 times a day you may damage your SIM (If not lose it while dropping it)). Another solution is to tether the phone to the Tab (Great I paid for a 3G Tab for nothing !!) but on that I am quite worried about the battery life of both devices Maybe through Bluetooth rather than Wifi ? Would consume less ? If anybody has an idea... Or could try SIM cloning... But it seems it's not really possible anymore with SIM v2 (And besides if the operator doesn't offer the service described above I guess there will be conflicts between the 2 devices at some stage (Not 100% sure but possible)
Anyway... Don't flame me, would just be happy to exchange on the subject with people who have found solutions, have ideas on the matter, or just inform future buyers
Waoh, zero interest on the subject !
Well, i dont have one, but i can defiantly see where using it as a phone could lead to some problems, even if it does fit in you back pocket. It is interesting that you attempted it though, but pulling it out at meetings...thats priceless
Alcibiade said:
I love the form factor, so easy to carry around, but in the end I understand much better Blackberry's approach with the Playbook, it's probably the best way to go, and I am considering using the Tab as a second device.
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I think the irony is that most of us in Europe wouldn't consider using the Tab as primary phone even though it is a fully functional phone, whereas in the US it's the other way around.
However I see the pain ahead... Don't wanna have 2 plans. And that's where it sucks. It seems in many countries you are able to have 2 SIM cards with the same number (With kind of a master device and a slave one).
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In the UK, we don't have the ability to have multiple SIMs with the same phone number either, but it is far less of an issue compared to the US because we have an extremely competitive market for data.
For example, on T-Mobile in the UK, for £20 (around $32) I can get 6 months worth of mobile internet with 1GB FUP which is ideal for a Tab which doesn't go out and about too often - and there's no overages, just an understanding that they may restrict service if you regularly go over your FUP allowance.
For £10 ($16) a month, I can get truly unlimited internet (excludes tethering) on Giffgaff which is ideal for the more mobile Tab.
When it comes to contracts, I have a mobile broadband contract on 3 that gives me 15GB a month for £15, which allows tethering etc.
I'm planning on heading over to Florida for 6 or 7 weeks early next year, and I'm probably going to get a MiFi of some sort with a T-Mobile Web Connect SIM, but it's going to be a hell of a lot more expensive than something comparable in the UK.
Regards,
Dave
NickDroid said:
Well, i dont have one, but i can defiantly see where using it as a phone could lead to some problems, even if it does fit in you back pocket. It is interesting that you attempted it though, but pulling it out at meetings...thats priceless
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The thing is since not so many people know what it is, it attracts attention... So it's not very discrete, while a small phone you can type your personal messages during meetings people don't really pay attention (Or think you're sending professional messages)
foxmeister said:
I think the irony is that most of us in Europe wouldn't consider using the Tab as primary phone even though it is a fully functional phone, whereas in the US it's the other way around.
In the UK, we don't have the ability to have multiple SIMs with the same phone number either, but it is far less of an issue compared to the US because we have an extremely competitive market for data.
For example, on T-Mobile in the UK, for £20 (around $32) I can get 6 months worth of mobile internet with 1GB FUP which is ideal for a Tab which doesn't go out and about too often - and there's no overages, just an understanding that they may restrict service if you regularly go over your FUP allowance.
For £10 ($16) a month, I can get truly unlimited internet (excludes tethering) on Giffgaff which is ideal for the more mobile Tab.
When it comes to contracts, I have a mobile broadband contract on 3 that gives me 15GB a month for £15, which allows tethering etc.
I'm planning on heading over to Florida for 6 or 7 weeks early next year, and I'm probably going to get a MiFi of some sort with a T-Mobile Web Connect SIM, but it's going to be a hell of a lot more expensive than something comparable in the UK.
Regards,
Dave
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Well... I am European... (Although I live in NY)
US carriers suck for data plans. I lived in japan and HK before where for half the price I got much better service... Definitely for £10 a month I wouldn't even bother thinking about using my phone SIM card in my Tab to take advantage of my unlimited data plan (Which by the way in the SU looks more and more like it will be limited by throttling down once you reach a threshold.............)
Why would you need 2 plans with AT&T tab? I guess you didn't want to flash her.
Your other points are completely valid. It is just a matter of personal opinion/wanting to replace the phone with tab enough. Thanks for sharing!
Here are some workarounds you could investigate:
Try a bluetooth stereo headset with a display.
Use the Sony LiveView and wear as a watch.
Type with a tiny bluetooth keyboard.
Get a separate smartphone with a VNC client. Turn on the mobile hotspot, on your Galaxy Tab, and then control it with the smaller smartphone.
How is the Galaxy Tab's battery life as a phone, by the way?
Thanks for the post. I've been thinking to get the tab to replace my I9000 as the main phone, but after I read your post, I think I'll hold it for a while .....
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Here are some workarounds you could investigate:
Try a bluetooth stereo headset with a display.
Use the Sony LiveView and wear as a watch.
Type with a tiny bluetooth keyboard.
Get a separate smartphone with a VNC client. Turn on the mobile hotspot, on your Galaxy Tab, and then control it with the smaller smartphone.
How is the Galaxy Tab's battery life as a phone, by the way?
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I thought about these options... Still not satisfying
Battery life ? I dont phone much but definitely much better than my Touch pro 2 (And I use activesync, bluetooth, etc...)
For all you Droid Pro users, would you say the phone is worth getting with an upgrade and contract renewal, now that VZW only offers 2-year contracts?
I picked this up on the last day of the one year contracts just because I didn't want to be locked in to *any* phone for two years right now. (LTE, the possibility of a Merge-like phone, too much I wouldn't want to wait for).
That being said, it really has been a fantastic device. If you are coming from, or just want, a BlackBerry style experience... and if highest end specs for max gaming aren't a high priority for you... this phone would do you well even under a 2 year deal. I dare say though that it's going to start looking long in the tooth by the time you are up for renewal, but with no other good qwerty phones (seemingly) in the pipeline, you could do a lot worse.
I have had my Pro for about a month now and it is a great phone for people that want that style of phone. My biggest disappointment with this phone is the screen not only could it be bigger it could be higher res and brighter. I like a lot of things about this phone but it could really be improved. With a new screen. I also have been unable to root with z4root but ymmv froyo runs well but after having GB on my 2 yr old Eris why this just seems a tad ridiculous battery life is kinda ----ish but i have a 2nd one on the way! if you have any questions please just ask me.
This phone is not worth an upgrade. You can wait and get better. I suggest you just buy a used one. I thought it would be a good decision to buy this, but when I heard my phone rebooting in the middle of a test, I knew I made a mistake. It has a lot of problems, and not much support.
I absolutely love the phone. The latest update has solved pretty much every problem I had with it. No more random reboots, increased battery life, and better exchange support. While it certainly has it's shortcomings, it's just about as close to my idea of perfect when it comes to form factor and function.
That said, if I were you I wouldn't use an upgrade on it at this point in the game. There are much better phones just around the corner (if you're into physical keyboards, the Droid 3 is supposed to drop in the next month or so), including a rumored update of the Pro. I would see about picking up a used one like obutto suggested. You can find them for $200 - $250. That will get you the phone and hold you over until something better comes along without committing to a new contract.
Hello folks,
On paper, the atrix is very similar to the Samsung Galaxy s2.
I do acknowledge the GS2 is better than the atrix on most scenarios, but I don't think the GS2 should be 700+ bucks or on the other hand the atrix shouldn't be as cheap as 300+ bucks.
I've been checking on the motorola atrix pricing around ebay and I actually made a decent deal. Which brings me to the question. Why is the atrix so cheap and unpopular, when it brings real life performance similar to the GS2 and even more functionality than the GS2 (Atrix docks), all this at half the price of the GS2
What are your thoughts?
It seems that due to the radio frequency only supporting ATT 3G, and also the fact that Galaxy S has a better following than "Atrix" this would support the cheaper price.
If you look up Samsung Focus for instance, you can get one for around $100 and it has a 1ghz processor and 4"amoled screen. (no slouch) but because its WP7 and because it wasnt that popular, you can get it cheap.
it is called free market pricing. Prices are set at point where supply and demand meet. The SGSII is a great phone, and lots of people want it (high demand). It is also very new, and never before released in the US on a major carrier, which means that supply is very low. Both of these two factors push the price of the phone up.
The atrix is a great phone, however there is tons of supply since it has been out for quite a while. This drives the price down.
Another reason, compare the predecessors... Droid X vs Galaxy S. They are both great phones, but in my book the Galaxy S wins 95 out of 100 times. Samsung just makes very refined and desirable phones.
I have an atrix, and anticipate loving it once I get CM7x, but for the past 4 months that I have had it, it has been a lot of frustration.
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it is called free market pricing. Prices are set at point where supply and demand meet. The SGSII is a great phone, and lots of people want it. It is also very new, and never before released in the US on a major carrier, which means that supply is very low. Both of these two factors push the price of the phone up.
The atrix is a great phone also, however there is tons of supply since it has been out for quite a while. This drives the price down.
Another reason, compare the predecessors... Droid X vs Galaxy S. They are both great phones, but in my book the Galaxy S wins 95 out of 100 times. Samsung just makes very refined and desirable phones, as long as you don't care about GPS.
I have an atrix, and anticipate loving it once I get CM7x, but for the past 4 months that I have had it, it has been a lot of frustration.
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Mostly agree (not sure about the GS processor winning 95% of the time, but OK). Just wanted to fix a glaring little error, in bold
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It seems that due to the radio frequency only supporting ATT 3G, and also the fact that Galaxy S has a better following than "Atrix" this would support the cheaper price.
If you look up Samsung Focus for instance, you can get one for around $100 and it has a 1ghz processor and 4"amoled screen. (no slouch) but because its WP7 and because it wasnt that popular, you can get it cheap.
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Thanks foe the info I'm gonna get one now
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I agree that it's the supply and demand thing.
When I bought mine, almost no official retailer would sell it to me without an activation on Bell. And, it was full price (over $600). Now it's $100 on a 3-year term. I didn't want to wait so I paid the price...
uhm, I think that brings the reason why the atrix is so cheap. I'm not complaining, just wondering.
Anyways, it's better for me and any atrix potential buyer hehehe. I wanted to buy the GS2 but then i realized that the similarly specd atrix was almost half the price. so I went for the atrix, plus the hd dock and the remote control are some nice features.
Have a portable entertainment system that makes calls? that's priceless. And if you are watching a movie on your home teather and have to go, you can just pick up your phone and keep watching in the subway...
Another unmentioned (at least on this thread) factor of the Atrix unpopularity was the fact that it came bootloader locked, which meant that no custom ROM could be installed.
But that has changed now that we have an unlocked bootloader!
Get ready to start seeing more and more custom roms for the Atrix that basically will unleash its true potential.
Stay tuned...
P.S.- For me, more than Atrix specs, Lapdock addon alone blows the SGS2 out of the water easily.
I see them selling for around $550 used here in Canada.
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P.S.- For me, more than Atrix specs, Lapdock addon alone blows the SGS2 out of the water easily.
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That was the selling point for me also. Otherwise I probably would have gone with an iThingy. Once you root the phone to where you can tweak the lapdock packages and add lxterminal, etc, it is a great tool. j
The lapdock/Atrix combo has pretty much replaced my much heavier laptop for everything but astrophotography - and that's only because my astro camera is a firewire CCD which I don't think is ever going to be supported on the Atrix.
I am happy as hell with the Atrix (I like the fingerprint scanner) I was stuck with the captivate and it was horrible because the GPS just didn't work (which i needed). Bottom line buy the phone for the features you need and work well. If you don't need widgets get an iphone, if you don't mind crappy GPS get a Samsung.
with all electronics since the beginning of time new=expensive and not being subsidized by a major US carrier like at&t has a lot to do with it also. i remember back in the day when i bought the HTC Kaiser for $800 before it was release as the att tilt when this happened the price dropped quite a bit, the same will happened with the GS2 when it hits an north american carrier. european phones are generally more expensive since they are not usually subsidized by their carrier and come unlocked.
Higher price doesn't mean if a product is better than its rivals. ip4 is still more expensive than atrix, is it better ?
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Higher price doesn't mean if a product is better than its rivals. ip4 is still more expensive than atrix, is it better ?
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For the average person? Probably. Better pictures, better screen, better battery life, very simplistic GUI. The average person will play casual games on their phone, browse the web, text, and use facebook. That's it. There's a reason why it's still the highest single selling phone on verizon and AT&T even though it's a year old and still costs $200 on contract.
Dont forget the LG Optimus 2x, its a fantastic phone with a fantastic screen, i liked it more than my Atrix but it doesnt support my new network (850mhz)
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I am happy as hell with the Atrix (I like the fingerprint scanner) I was stuck with the captivate and it was horrible because the GPS just didn't work (which i needed). Bottom line buy the phone for the features you need and work well. If you don't need widgets get an iphone, if you don't mind crappy GPS get a Samsung.
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I purchased an Atrix when I finally bricked my Captivate. This is a really nice phone but I miss my Captivate. I'm going to send it off soon and probably go back to it. If you select the right ROM, there are zero GPS issues. I won't lie though, the GPS is amazing on this phone. I really just miss my AMOLED.
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So we are looking in to switching from Verizon to T-Mobile, currently the wife's # is out of contract and I have been looking into phones I like the price tag of the Nexus 4 and if it where for me I'd get it no questions but it's for the wife. The only phone she has had is an iPhone 4s so I'm wondering if this would be a good replacement? I've looked at some extensive reviews and I'd say yes, but I wanted more of a long term opinion would you guys or gals have your significant other (non techy individual) use this phone?
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So we are looking in to switching from Verizon to T-Mobile, currently the wife's # is out of contract and I have been looking into phones I like the price tag of the Nexus 4 and if it where for me I'd get it no questions but it's for the wife. The only phone she has had is an iPhone 4s so I'm wondering if this would be a good replacement? I've looked at some extensive reviews and I'd say yes, but I wanted more of a long term opinion would you guys or gals have your significant other (non techy individual) use this phone?
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i think that xiaomi red ice for you wife is the correct phone!
it costs around 150$ and it includes miui v5 with android 4.2.2 and they are always updating!
is a chinese brand but the quality is so good and the screen is made by AUO the same as apple!
http://www.xiaomi.es/#!xiaomi-redrice-general/c1kk2
My wife thought the phone was a little to thick for her to use with one hand comfortably. (No jokes please).
Her last 2 phones were a HTZ Rezound and a Motorola RAZR M. She said she has no idea how people use phones with bigger screens then that but then she held the HTC ONE. Well needless to say, she ended up with the HTC ONE. It felt thinner and narrower in her hand then the N4.
Could she have used the N4, yes but another one of her requirments was a good camera...
As long as the size is okay for your wife and based on her other requirements in a phone, the phone itself and the software just running stock 4.3 work perfect. With older versions of Android I would usually say you really would need to tweak it for the average user to enjoy it but 4.3 is running better then ever and can pretty much please anyone just running stock. Heck, I am running stock and don't feel the need to change right now to a custom. Only tweak I really needed was to make the Nav bar smaller and it is perfect now!
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So we are looking in to switching from Verizon to T-Mobile, currently the wife's # is out of contract and I have been looking into phones I like the price tag of the Nexus 4 and if it where for me I'd get it no questions but it's for the wife. The only phone she has had is an iPhone 4s so I'm wondering if this would be a good replacement? I've looked at some extensive reviews and I'd say yes, but I wanted more of a long term opinion would you guys or gals have your significant other (non techy individual) use this phone?
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Without hesitation!!
I got one for mine and she loves it...I left it all stock, but did root it as she likes to change fonts like the weather changes...IDK why but I'm not going to ask her...Sometimes you're better off not knowing why
It took her a little getting use to the size difference. Had a 4s and an Atrix 4g.
Now she wouldn't go back. No lagging runs smooth as glass...speaking of which
If you do get her 1 I'd recommend getting a case right away as they are a slippery phone and glass front and back.
AS for the camera not being outstanding...it's a phone 1st and foremost, and takes some decent pics with a little tweaking.
There is a thread showing off some pics in the general section...Link Here
The price vs performance ratio can't be matched right now.
No contract crap, updates before any other phones, you own a quad core phone outright for a couple hundred $$.
Deal!!
Good Luck!!
I swear to God that when I read your post I read: "Good phone OR wife" hahahahahaha
That happens to a lot of people in here... including myself... if we get a good phone, we may lose our wives! hahahahahaha
Like mentioned by one of the previous users, Android 4.3 has come a long ways. For the first time, I am actually running the stock ROM (with root and a few modifications). For the average consumer, the N4 is a very viable option, ESPECIALLY at the current price of 199/249.
Size could be a concern and the HTC One is definitely a better design for folks who have small hands, but I think the N4 is by no means uncomfortable. Having come from a HTC Sensation and Galaxy Nexus, the phone feels better in my hands than either of the two previous devices.
8gb are gone now, only 16gb($249) is currently available. Just ordered one saturday and shipped today. Hopefully im not disappointed when i get it
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8gb are gone now, only 16gb($249) is currently available. Just ordered one saturday and shipped today. Hopefully im not disappointed when i get it
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There is definitley nothing to be dissapointed with! Coming from an S3 I don't miss it at all. With the wife having an HTC ONE, it is a great device for her but I would personally take an N4 any day.
Stock Android with quick updates just cannot be beat! Also, I do not even understand why they made this phone in an 8GB version. Talk about limiting a device and what you can do with it. What is there like 4-5GB of usable space when it is all said and done.
Good thing for people buying one today that there are no 8GB ones left. You will be happier with the 16GB which is still kind of pushing the low end size of memory but is at least somewhat do-able.
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There is definitley nothing to be dissapointed with! Coming from an S3 I don't miss it at all. With the wife having an HTC ONE, it is a great device for her but I would personally take an N4 any day.
Stock Android with quick updates just cannot be beat! Also, I do not even understand why they made this phone in an 8GB version. Talk about limiting a device and what you can do with it. What is there like 4-5GB of usable space when it is all said and done.
Good thing for people buying one today that there are no 8GB ones left. You will be happier with the 16GB which is still kind of pushing the low end size of memory but is at least somewhat do-able.
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Thanks for the insight.. and yeah i love the phone overall, based on the reviews, videos, pictures online. The only thing that can really disappoint me are the negative things i keep reading online, major issues with it. Some on top of my head are: "Sleep of death", "Reception really bad", "call buz", "battery Leaking" "Red light of death" all of those make me not want the phone LOL. I know this does not mean ALL devices come with these problems, just saying I would hate to recieve a Lemon Lol
Well it looks like we might have to put the switch on hold her car is acting up and I fear it will need a transmission.. I did the math and if I buy out of our Verizon contract for the other 2 lines we would end up saving around $250 in the first 15 months that's after paying $450 to end the contract. And that's with getting 3 new phones on tmoble. Might just get a G2.
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Well it looks like we might have to put the switch on hold her car is acting up and I fear it will need a transmission.. I did the math and if I buy out of our Verizon contract for the other 2 lines we would end up saving around $250 in the first 15 months that's after paying $450 to end the contract. And that's with getting 3 new phones on tmoble. Might just get a G2.
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If your wife's contract has ended can't you just unlock the iphone? It would save money, even though I hate iphones
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If your wife's contract has ended can't you just unlock the iphone? It would save money, even though I hate iphones
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Doesn't work. While you can unlock the iPhone 4s from other carriers you can not from Verizon, unlocking a verizon phone only let's it work international nor on local networks. Unless I missed something bc I'd be all over that if someone has info I don't.
Hi Folks.
Had my Note 3 for at least 3 years now (last track how long).
I keep looking around at other phones but I just can't bring myself to spend big bucks on an upgrade (I love the Samsung S7 edge but the price is just stupid for a phone).
I always just buy my phones outright and have a sim-only deal with 200 mins, unlimited texts, 3000 three-to-three minutes, unlimited 4G data and 4GB of tethering a month for £15.
I've been looking at the Lenovo P2 that has just come out. The specs are pretty good and I'm really attracted to the 5100mah battery!
But I keep looking at my Note 3 with Phronesis Note 7 rom on it and think... but this is working fine!
Anyone in a similar position or just upgraded? Is it really worth upgrading- I'm not one that always wants the newest model all the time (like iSheep).
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Hi Folks.
Had my Note 3 for at least 3 years now (last track how long).
I keep looking around at other phones but I just can't bring myself to spend big bucks on an upgrade (I love the Samsung S7 edge but the price is just stupid for a phone).
I always just buy my phones outright and have a sim-only deal with 200 mins, unlimited texts, 3000 three-to-three minutes, unlimited 4G data and 4GB of tethering a month for £15.
I've been looking at the Lenovo P2 that has just come out. The specs are pretty good and I'm really attracted to the 5100mah battery!
But I keep looking at my Note 3 with Phronesis Note 7 rom on it and think... but this is working fine!
Anyone in a similar position or just upgraded? Is it really worth upgrading- I'm not one that always wants the newest model all the time (like iSheep).
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Well, upgrades are sometimes good and sometimes unnecessary. For example, I remember my first Android phone was the Motorola Cliq MB200. I remember when THAT was a thing. Now a days, WHAT THE HECK CAN YOU DO WITH 1/4th of a GB of RAM? I loved the physical keyboard but the touchscreen was awful. After that phone was quickly outdated, I switched to the Motorola Cliq XT which I didn't like as much as the original Cliq since it didn't have the physical keyboard, but the screen was much better. After I lost that phone I switched to the Motorola Backflip which didn't have a great keyboard but it still worked great for me. After my screen broke I was introduced to Samsung with the Samsung Galaxy S II which is the phone I had for the most time since 2013. But since 2014-2015, apps kept getting bigger and bigger, more complex and my poor old hercules couldn't take it. So barely last year I bought my Note 3 and I have been a happy user. I feel all these upgrades were working up to my Note 3. Sure, the newer phones might open up and close up apps 2-3 seconds faster, most newer phones have a fingerprint reader and have better screens but, does that really matter? I am really happy with my Note 3 and until apps get ridiculously huge, and we're talking about 4 to 5 Gigs HUGE, I don't think I will be upgrading any time soon.
Sorry for digressing so much from your original question, I just thought that maybe if you read my backstory a bit you'd understand why I think my Note 3 is the best phone I have ever had and an upgrade would be unnecessary (for me, anyway). A bigger battery sounds like a legit reason to upgrade though, but I'm a person who makes a living with a computer so it doesn't really affect me, I can charge my phone at all times.
Hope that if you do decide to upgrade, it's because you think it's really worth it and is better than the Note 3 in every way.