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I'd like to get opinions about the SAMOLED+ screen on the Samsung Galaxy S2 from people that hate Pentile screens (like me ).
Do you think SGS2 is a lot sharper than SAMOLED Pentile screens? Does the text looks as good as in a regular LCD or SLCD screens?
It's important that the opinion comes from people that really dislike or hate pentile screens because it seems that not everybody notice the effect caused by these.
Well, thats one to get a hundred percent viewpoint.
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I don't get you.
The thing is that SGS2 doesn't have pentile but given that is the same resolution on a bigger screen and I'm not even sure if the pixel matrix is identical to a LCD I think that maybe is not that better at the end?
I'm just trying to decide if I buy the phone or if I'm better keeping a Nexus S (with a pentile display I don't really like...) until Samsung deliver the higher resolution SAMOLED+
Enjoy...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/19/galaxy-s-ii-and-galaxy-s-screens-compared-at-the-subpixel-level/
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Enjoy...
engadget.com/2011/05/19/galaxy-s-ii-and-galaxy-s-screens-compared-at-the-subpixel-level/
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Thanks for the link! But I already know the technical differences...
I'm looking opinion from people that disliked the Galaxy S and Nexus S pentile screen specifically (or even Atrix screen for what it's worth)
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Thanks for the link! But I already know the technical differences...
I'm looking opinion from people that disliked the Galaxy S and Nexus S pentile screen specifically (or even Atrix screen for what it's worth)
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Let's reverse the question. Does anybody like the Pentile display? From everything I've read its really just a cost saver for the manufacturer. So I'm guessing the answer would be no. At least not given any another option.
The screen looks exactly as LCD ..
After going from a Pentile display to a SLCD (N1 to DHD), I was shocked at how a screen with the same effective resolution (WVGA) could look so much sharper even after the size being increased by 0.6 inches. I began to understand why Pentile was getting so much bad press in tech circles and reviews. At the time I associated Pentile with AMOLED, as the only AMOLED based phones (N1, Desire, SGS) used a Pentile matrix and due to this my opinion on AMOLED was that despite the brilliant contrast, it was inferior to LCD.
It's safe to say that the SAMOLED+ reversed my previous opinion by ridding itself of the Pentile matrix. It's almost as if it is an entirely new screen tech. There's not much else to say other than once you see it, you will struggle to believe you could ever go back to a LCD/IPS or plain old AMOLED. The clarity and colour produced by this screen is second to none, regardless of PPI.
Regards.
I voted yes!
I liked the Screen very much.. but my eyes hurt after a while reading.
Think mostly because of the ghosting / washed effect from scrolling text.
i use a phone with pentile right now. i played with the samsung Infuse which has no more pentile, but is 4.5 inch. and honestly the increased pixels are wlecomed, but the larger size kinda eliminated the advantage over pentile. it just didnt look as good as i thought it would be. but it still looked ok of course, just not as sharp as i had hoped. definitely not as sharp as the atric or iphone 4. but the color contrast makes up for it a bit.
Comparing the SII and S is like night and day. Whenever I go back to use my S I can't believe how bad it is. You won't be disappointed with the SII trust me.
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i use a phone with pentile right now. i played with the samsung Infuse which has no more pentile, but is 4.5 inch. and honestly the increased pixels are wlecomed, but the larger size kinda eliminated the advantage over pentile. it just didnt look as good as i thought it would be. but it still looked ok of course, just not as sharp as i had hoped. definitely not as sharp as the atric or iphone 4. but the color contrast makes up for it a bit.
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I agree, I was glad when I got my desire it turned out to be a slcd one because the ones I had seen in the shop (as well as the sgs1) were all amoleds and I wasn't to impressed with them, the fonts looked very ugly and jagged, a lot worse compared to my old lg arena; For my the DPI should have been a lot higher for better fonts but they are okay. I had to try a lot of browser though before I found which renders small text the best (xscope) so you can make a bit of use of the large screen
Thanks everybody for your input!
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i use a phone with pentile right now. i played with the samsung Infuse which has no more pentile, but is 4.5 inch. and honestly the increased pixels are wlecomed, but the larger size kinda eliminated the advantage over pentile. it just didnt look as good as i thought it would be. but it still looked ok of course, just not as sharp as i had hoped. definitely not as sharp as the atric or iphone 4. but the color contrast makes up for it a bit.
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This is what I fear I love iPhone 4 display text crispness, I didn't like Atrix that much because everything looked like it had a weird texture.
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I agree, I was glad when I got my desire it turned out to be a slcd one because the ones I had seen in the shop (as well as the sgs1) were all amoleds and I wasn't to impressed with them, the fonts looked very ugly and jagged, a lot worse compared to my old lg arena; For my the DPI should have been a lot higher for better fonts but they are okay. I had to try a lot of browser though before I found which renders small text the best (xscope) so you can make a bit of use of the large screen
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Nice tip about the browser!
I had the Atrix and half the reason I sold it is because I couldn't stand the terrible screen. I dont even notice the loss of pixels with the S2 because things seem so much more crisp, like the edges on icons and a lot of other things.
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After going from a Pentile display to a SLCD (N1 to DHD), I was shocked at how a screen with the same effective resolution (WVGA) could look so much sharper even after the size being increased by 0.6 inches. I began to understand why Pentile was getting so much bad press in tech circles and reviews. At the time I associated Pentile with AMOLED, as the only AMOLED based phones (N1, Desire, SGS) used a Pentile matrix and due to this my opinion on AMOLED was that despite the brilliant contrast, it was inferior to LCD.
It's safe to say that the SAMOLED+ reversed my previous opinion by ridding itself of the Pentile matrix. It's almost as if it is an entirely new screen tech. There's not much else to say other than once you see it, you will struggle to believe you could ever go back to a LCD/IPS or plain old AMOLED. The clarity and colour produced by this screen is second to none, regardless of PPI.
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QFT. I also felt the text crispness of the S was quite lacking as against SLCD/LCD. But the SAMOLED+ of the S2 is really super. I cannot see any issues with text sharpness down to even small almost unreadable levels. I was sceptical about the 480x800 vs qhd of the sensation, and that too for a larger scree size, but was very happy when I switched on the phone for the first time. Text is pin sharp, colours absolutely brilliant. Cannot go back to SLCD.
In fact as another poster stated, sometimes the very high contrast is a slight pain actually. I wish there was a way to turn down the brightness even more for indoors / night use.
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In fact as another poster stated, sometimes the very high contrast is a slight pain actually. I wish there was a way to turn down the brightness even more for indoors / night use.
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You can go to the market and download an app called "screen filter" by haxor to lower brightness during indoor and night use. Give it a try and enjoy
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You can go to the market and download an app called "screen filter" by haxor to lower brightness during indoor and night use. Give it a try and enjoy
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Thanks. Just what I was looking for. Will make my e-reading at night hugely easier.
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You can go to the market and download an app called "screen filter" by haxor to lower brightness during indoor and night use. Give it a try and enjoy
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Cannot thank posts on Tapatalk yet so just want to say major thanks for bringing this app to my attention! As Sandeep says, for those of us who read Ebooks at night this is a life (eye) saver! No more nagging from the missus regarding my screen glare.
Back on topic, I've compared the screens of the Sensation and SGS2 first hand and in normal usage the increased resolution of the Sensation doesn't offer a discernible increase in sharpness over the SGS2. Those with eagle eyes will no doubt contest this, but in truth the overall clarity of the SGS2 panel is IMHO superior to that of the Sensation. That said, if a qHD AMOLED phone was released, I'd be all over it!
Regards.
Just been comparing my friends HTC Desire (pentile amoled) with my SGS2 side by side and my Samsung is noticeably more sharper even though my screen is bigger. Desire has fuzzy text and colours aren't as good.
I hate pentile displays. I had the original SGS1 and returned it within a week because of the screen, but didn't know about pentile displays back then.
I didn't really mind it on my SGS but once I got my Atrix I hated the screen, I don't care for high res as I can barely read as is, but the SGS II screen is amazing compared to the original SGS.
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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Seriously?
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alexanter the great said:
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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"...faarrr wayyy a head..."
You don't want to know my opinion on your post. Seriously.
Humm.. I don't know i found this in gsmarena. You see the values for GS3 and Nexus are different. I don't know if the display would be the same.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p2.php
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I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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You are kidding me right?
Look at my signature and i will tell you right now that Note's screen blows away Galaxy SII's
Oddly enough, i prefer Note's screen over the Nexus. Maybe because of the ability to adjust the color temp or the fact that it's larger
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I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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DOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! It's frowned upon to state your opinion on the SIII screen / phone / hardware in any way, shape or form, in a negative manner in the SIII forum. Even if it is just your own opinion. Will you never learn!?!?!?
But in all seriousness, Google how to start up an online blog and I'll gladly subscribe.
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DOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! It's frowned upon to state your opinion on the SIII screen / phone / hardware in any way, shape or form, in a negative manner in the SIII forum. Even if it is just your own opinion. Will you never learn!?!?!?
But in all seriousness, Google how to start up an online blog and I'll gladly subscribe.
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I've complained about the GalNex in the Galaxy Nexus forum and i wasn't alone in the way i felt but he's pretty much alone here
alexanter the great said:
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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I think you need to do tons of research before you come and make such claims.
SGS3 =/= Galaxy Nexus display wise.
Manufacturing of the SGS3's display has been improved upon in comparison to GN in addition to the different light levels, the SGS3 uses Gorilla Glass 2 which is thinner giving it less light diffusion in the glass giving it better view ability.
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DOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! It's frowned upon to state your opinion on the SIII screen / phone / hardware in any way, shape or form, in a negative manner in the SIII forum. Even if it is just your own opinion. Will you never learn!?!?!?
But in all seriousness, Google how to start up an online blog and I'll gladly subscribe.
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The problem isn't people giving their "opinion" but people claiming their opinions as 'facts" with no evidence. The OP is obviously assuming the GN and the SGS3 have the same kind of screen otherwise why wouldn't he post this in the GN forum?
ph00ny said:
You are kidding me right?
Look at my signature and i will tell you right now that Note's screen blows away Galaxy SII's
Oddly enough, i prefer Note's screen over the Nexus. Maybe because of the ability to adjust the color temp or the fact that it's larger
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+1, went to a phone store today, took a good look at the Note's screen, it's nothing short of amazing. I'm not afraid anymore of the S3's screen, since it basicly will be a smaller version of the Note's screen. Also a few good reviews showed me that the S3's screen is one of the best ever.
I love it how human's work. They hear the word "pentile" and like sheep everybody starts saying it's "so bad, so bad", while many probably don't even know what it is. This entire pentile madness needs to stop. Just take a look at the screen and if you like it, buy it. If not, don't.
I loved it how a website that reviewed the S3 already gave the phone to some people and lied to them that it's "not pentile", they loved it an all (while they also go crazy when knowing a screen is pentile, they say they can see pixels and ****). Then afterwards, the guy told those people it's actually pentile xD I have a strong feeling it's all placebo effect.
Yet another pointless and poorly written thread to discuss one of the least important aspects of a PHONE...whether the HIGH DEFINITION screen on a PHONE is good enough for you to get through your day. First world problems to the extreme.
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Yet another pointless and poorly written thread to discuss one of the least important aspects of a PHONE...whether the HIGH DEFINITION screen on a PHONE is good enough for you to get through your day. First world problems to the extreme.
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Least important? I beg to differ
On touchscreen device, nothing is more important than the screen itself
I was worried about the screen after reading random people complain about it here, after reading some reviews and looking at the screen comparison here i dont see any reason to worry.
mobile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s3-fl-en.shtml
I will be buying a Samsung S3 over the HTX One X and the Samsung S2 for that matter
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Humm.. I don't know i found this in gsmarena. You see the values for GS3 and Nexus are different. I don't know if the display would be the same.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p2.php
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I guess the difference in brightness could be contributed, partially at least, to the fact that the S3 has Gorilla Glass2, which can be used in thinner sheets without sacrificing strenght.
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Least important? I beg to differ
On touchscreen device, nothing is more important than the screen itself
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You know exactly what I meant. You mean to say that if the HD screen on your phone isn't as sharp as a high end IPS LCD then that somehow limits your ability to use your touchscreen device? Pure rubbish. This is a PHONE, not a digital movie screen.
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Humm.. I don't know i found this in gsmarena. You see the values for GS3 and Nexus are different. I don't know if the display would be the same.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p2.php
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in case of this table, the galaxy note has a much better screen than sgs3
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I guess the difference in brightness could be contributed, partially at least, to the fact that the S3 has Gorilla Glass2, which can be used in thinner sheets without sacrificing strenght.
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No, it just makes it more vieawable. The glass has nothing to do with the brightness. They are different factors.
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I was worried about the screen after reading random people complain about it here, after reading some reviews and looking at the screen comparison here i dont see any reason to worry.
mobile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s3-fl-en.shtml
I will be buying a Samsung S3 over the HTX One X and the Samsung S2 for that matter
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Thank you so much buddy. I pre-ordered one but when i saw this post i was truly worried about the Screen. I am using Galaxy s2 at the moment. After looking at the pictures in mobile-review i confidently say Galaxy s3's display is the best of all in terms of color saturation and Vividness.
Guys please take a look at the sample pics. I don't see any reason to worry S3 has the best display of all. I think most us are worried about retaining the saturated colors in S2, yes it is retained. See the images.
the thing is gnexus has lower brightness than s3 so it might be the cause. If not you are one among the few rare candidates who can see the pentile matrix directly without any lens, so its better for you to stay away from s3.
btw does thing thing need a new thread?
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No, it just makes it more vieawable. The glass has nothing to do with the brightness. They are different factors.
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Well i cut this from Cornings site:
"Corning Gorilla Glass 2 enables up to a 20 percent reduction in glass thickness, while maintaining the industry-leading damage resistance, toughness, and scratch resistance customers have come to expect from the world’s most widely deployed cover glass. The thinner Gorilla Glass 2 enables slimmer and sleeker devices, brighter images, and greater touch sensitivity. These benefits can provide electronics manufacturers with superior design flexibility as they address consumer demand for increasingly high-performing, touch-sensitive, and durable mobile devices."
If Gorillaglass 2 allows for a 20% reduction in thickness compared to the original Gorillaglass, one would think it should increase the brightness a bit. I'm not saying its the whole story, but they do infact mention that it enables brighter images in the exerpt above.
note 10.1 2014 has a PenTile RG-BW LCD display, my friend said that the text is fuzzy.who can tell me really? i want to watch picture that the screen enlarges, thank you very mach!!
newszq said:
note 10.1 2014 has a PenTile RG-BW LCD display, my friend said that the text is fuzzy.who can tell me really? i want to watch picture that the screen enlarges, thank you very mach!!
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every review so far said the screen was very good and certainly not "fuzzy" maybe your friend was talking about pentile technology in general which doesn't have a great reputation, but i've never had a problem with it on high resolution devices.
newszq said:
note 10.1 2014 has a PenTile RG-BW LCD display, my friend said that the text is fuzzy.who can tell me really? i want to watch picture that the screen enlarges, thank you very mach!!
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Pretty much all the reviews of this product praise the screen unconditionally. The only review I read that even noticed it was PenTile was this one from AnandTech.
If the pixel density was much lower, you'd probably see undesirable things like this, but the consensus seems to be that the pixel density is so high that it doesn't really matter. Engadget in particular loves to slam PenTile screens but didn't even mention it this time.
I am a pentile fanatic. I absolutely hate pentile. The text is gorgeous though. Especially at normal tablet viewing distance. If you put the tablet 4 inches from your face, you can easily tell it is pentile for solid colors like green in the battery indicator. It's actually harder for me to tell with the black or white text than bold solid colored areas. But normal viewing distance everything pretty much blends like the Galaxy S 4. My biggest complaint is the yellow seems kind of off compared to my original Note 10.1 but that might just be personal preference.
Ironically I think I can easily live with and very much enjoy using this screen but the physical hardware buttons is annoying the crap out of me. It's going to be a while before I'm used to it.
If the next Note is full RGB again I'll jump back out of principle probably but this screen is far better than what I thought it would be.
Hope that helps.
That is a dangerous word, leave out the 't' and you are in a whole different ballpark. lol
Seriously though, mine looks great, no fuzziness at all.
To the Community:
I just yesterday picked this puppy up at BB and, quite honestly, am very disappointed in the display, specifically the hue. All the yellows are washed out -- WTF???!!
Resolution is awesome but the white background when browsing looks like I'm looking at it under old-style fluorescent lighting -- YUCK!
I've played with all the Settings > Display > Screen mode modes and there's barely a change when going from one to another.
Is this correctible? Is it a TouchWiz thing? Will a different ROM help?
(FWIW -- I'm upgrading from a Xoom running Eos ROMs and other than the resolution, it was gorgeous. The Xoom was a great device: heavy, granted, but the bezel width really did set the standard that tablet manufacturers seem to be migrating towards.)
PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S A SOLUTION!!! THE COLOR RENDITION IS SO UNPALATABLE I VERY WELL MIGHT RETURN IT AFTER LUSTING AFTER IT FOR MONTHS!
Thanks.
Sounds like a hardware problem. I don't see how Touchwiz (or any ROM) could be responsible for that. Better have it exchanged.
Sounds like you're using reading mode
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Color accuracy is pretty decent on the Note 10.1’s display. As always I’m reporting color data using Samsung’s Movie mode, which remains the most accurate setting of those offered. Grayscale performance is excellent, but our GMB and saturations tests put the Note 10.1 on par with the original Nexus 7. It’s definitely a better calibrated display than any other Samsung Galaxy Note tablet we’ve reviewed. Not quite on par with the new Nexus 7, but getting very close.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
My (AMOLED) N3 displaying the same yellow background as my N10.1-14...
My "whites"...
The screen on this amazing and nothing short of that.
You must have a bad tablet...
My screen is great.
I have minor light bleed on bottom edge but thats not bothersome and barely noticeable.
Never had any problems with color rendition. Not to the extent you said it sounds like. Its been pretty natural looking for me.
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I dont know what these numbers mean but here is a comparison against a crapple ipad: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10.1-2014-vs-Apple-iPad-4_id3445
Don't get me wrong, I like the screen a lot. But it is not perfect. I think the pentile design shows when certain colors are next to each other (producing less than perfect transition from one color to another).
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To the Community:
I just yesterday picked this puppy up at BB and, quite honestly, am very disappointed in the display, specifically the hue. All the yellows are washed out -- WTF???!!
Resolution is awesome but the white background when browsing looks like I'm looking at it under old-style fluorescent lighting -- YUCK!
I've played with all the Settings > Display > Screen mode modes and there's barely a change when going from one to another.
Is this correctible? Is it a TouchWiz thing? Will a different ROM help?
(FWIW -- I'm upgrading from a Xoom running Eos ROMs and other than the resolution, it was gorgeous. The Xoom was a great device: heavy, granted, but the bezel width really did set the standard that tablet manufacturers seem to be migrating towards.)
PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S A SOLUTION!!! THE COLOR RENDITION IS SO UNPALATABLE I VERY WELL MIGHT RETURN IT AFTER LUSTING AFTER IT FOR MONTHS!
Thanks.
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Was it exactly the same when you first turned it on or did it get the yellow cast after some use?
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Was it exactly the same when you first turned it on or did it get the yellow cast after some use?
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No, there's no yellow cast: rather, the yellow's are washed out and not at all vibrant. White backgrounds have a blue-ish gray-ish tone and the only analogy I can muster is that it's like the color temperature is "cool," as opposed to "warm." Canary yellows come out looking dull gold; skin tones are very off-putting and for a top-dollar device, it's really not pleasant.
Side-by-side with my GN2, the colors are much truer on my GN2, hands down.
@BarryH_GEG -- thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
@bootx1 -- thank you, too, but I'm not using reading mode.
Here are some screenshots from today's XDA main page.
1st photo is from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 ed., second is Galaxy Note 2; third is a side-by-side with the Galaxy Note 2 on the left (the dude's skin is a little reddish on the left but it's not bad -- the skin tone on the right is actually much worse).
WTF????
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Thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
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I leave both my N3 and N10.1-14 on Adapt Display. On the N3 it's the only way to achieve maximum brightness in bright conditions; like an additional 150 nits. I'm not sure if the N10.1-14's Adapt Display works the same way. I have to confess, while Movie Mode may be more accurate I've come to like overly saturated colors on my mobile devices.
whatllitbenext said:
No, there's no yellow cast: rather, the yellow's are washed out and not at all vibrant. White backgrounds have a blue-ish gray-ish tone and the only analogy I can muster is that it's like the color temperature is "cool," as opposed to "warm." Canary yellows come out looking dull gold; skin tones are very off-putting and for a top-dollar device, it's really not pleasant.
Side-by-side with my GN2, the colors are much truer on my GN2, hands down.
@BarryH_GEG -- thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
@bootx1 -- thank you, too, but I'm not using reading mode.
Here are some screenshots from today's XDA main page.
1st photo is from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 ed., second is Galaxy Note 2; third is a side-by-side with the Galaxy Note 2 on the left (the dude's skin is a little reddish on the left but it's not bad -- the skin tone on the right is actually much worse).
WTF????
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To me......... In your (photo 3) side by side photo's I think the device on the left is to red and has to much color saturation the tablet looks good to me in that photo....
There is at lease 2 places in the control panel of the P-600 to adjust color, have you seen them?
If you not happy with the way it looks and you can exchange it you should. If you don't you will always have this thought in the back of your mind.
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as another user said, it sounds like reading mode is turned on make sure it's off. It probably unlikely that this is the problem though since the the only app that defaults with reading mode on is play books.
Thank you for your responses.
I'm not quite sure how to say this without sounding impolite but several of you seem not to have read my posts completely, so please allow me to start over.
My yellows are very washed out: what ought to be bright canary yellows are dull gold. For example: the yellow in the Chrome logo is what I define as "yellow." On the GM10.1, 2014 Ed. it appears gold and dull.
Skin tones are wan and blue-ish.
White web page areas are gray-blue-ish.
Overall color temperature is "cool."
Reading mode does warm things up a bit...but still, I can't get any combination of settings where yellows "pop".
Settings > Device > Display > Screen mode is set to "movie" and that barely affects the vibrancy of the yellows; in fact there is no real difference between all four of the options.
IN SUM: COLOR RENDITION SUCKS.
Take it back to Best Buy?
(I s'pose I just answered my question...)
Thanks in advance.
The subpixel arrangement creates a dot effect more seen in print when looking through a magnifying glass. While not overly distracting, I do notice it at times. My biggest complaint is the blueish hue shift in darker tones when putting the display at an angle. Is this a TN panel ? I've always had OLED and my Oppo Find 5 was the first smartphone I've owned that didn't have a OLED screen. Still, the find 5 screen was MUCH better than the note 10.1 2014. Especially the black levels are kinda disappointing. I think the screen is WAY overrated in reviews. I primarily use the note in darker indoor areas so I have no use for the extra brightness delivered by the white subpixel.
I still think it's a great device tough, and for the price there is nothing like it. I would like to see some CM and Omni builds for it though which retain the wacom S pen "drivers". I don't care for the samsung features, I just want to use Autodesk Sketchbook.
Overall, I'm really happy with my display. My one complaint is that viewing angles seem to be a little off.
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Don't get me wrong, I like the screen a lot. But it is not perfect. I think the pentile design shows when certain colors are next to each other (producing less than perfect transition from one color to another).
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What I know is that this device comes with LCD display. Not amoled. So there.is not pentile design. Because it is not amoled. The color would not look as vivid as amoled, yellow will look like a bit washout because of the backlight compared to amoled
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Check this link: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
As you can see, Note 10.1 2014 edition is pentile. You can also see this when looking at the screen. Transitions between some colors are a bit blurry.
When talking about display performance there's the objective and subjective. GSMArena, AnandTech, and NoteBookCheck DE all run an extensive battery of standardized tests on all the devices they review. All praise the N10.1-14's display; especially compared to previous Samsung LCD displays.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_101_2014-review-1003p2.php
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-1-2014-Edition-Tablet.105624.0.html
Sorry folks, you can't argue with the objective.
As for the subjective, assuming those not digging the display don't have a h/w issue, to each their own. The N5's display objectively produces very accurate colors. Those I've seen look washed out and dull. OP's not happy with the coolness of his display. I personally detest warm displays. You can't argue the subjective because it's both personal and opinion.
BarryH_GEG said:
When talking about display performance there's the objective and subjective. GSMArena, AnandTech, and NoteBookCheck DE all run an extensive battery of standardized tests on all the devices they review. All praise the N10.1-14's display; especially compared to previous Samsung LCD displays.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_101_2014-review-1003p2.php
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-1-2014-Edition-Tablet.105624.0.html
Sorry folks, you can't argue with the objective.
As for the subjective, assuming those not digging the display don't have a h/w issue, to each their own. The N5's display objectively produces very accurate colors. Those I've seen look washed out and dull. OP's not happy with the coolness of his display. I personally detest warm displays. You can't argue the subjective because it's both personal and opinion.
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Thanks for that useful post -- the gsmarena and anandtech links are especially informative.
And my fears were confirmed: the display is just kind of average...objectively excellent, but comparatively average.
whatllitbenext said:
Thanks for that useful post -- the gsmarena and anandtech links are especially informative.
And my fears were confirmed: the display is just kind of average...objectively excellent, but comparatively average.
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Think average is a silly comment. I prefer the display to the ipad air. Sometimes wish the whites were slightly better. But I would like to see anyone who has a better screen on an Android 10 inch tablet
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We all know that the Galaxy S6 will sport a QHD Super AMOLED display just like the Galaxy S5 LTE-A and Galaxy Note 4 before it. But the question remains, will this be the second generation of Super AMOLED QHD displays that they're employing? Meaning they would be more brighter, energy efficient and possibly color accurate over the ones in the S5/N4?
After all, they shrunk down the battery capacity for a thinner body and made it non-removable for a more premium unibody. So the optimization compensation has to come from somewhere, right? And between the Galaxy and Note releases, they've always improved on the display technology in some way. Let's all post updates as more information leaks over time.
Definitely will be much improved over S5, I think everything points to this being brand new tech, although the Note 4's screen was so exceptional that no one has complained of its quality, so even if the same one, it should be perfect. That said, I estill expected an updated panel since they had to make a new one to match the size anyway
I have Note 4. The screen is AMAZING. I don't know what could Samsung improve really.
It has a small problem though - it changes color very slightly at even the slightest angle, which might be the deal breaker for some (for me it's OK for a phone, would hate it on a TV though). It might be interesting to see if S6 has the same problem.
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I have Note 4. The screen is AMAZING. I don't know what could Samsung improve really.
It has a small problem though - it changes color very slightly at even the slightest angle, which might be the deal breaker for some (for me it's OK for a phone, would hate it on a TV though). It might be interesting to see if S6 has the same problem.
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I'd like to see AMOLED screens hit at least 400 cm/nits of brightness when displaying content with 100% white average. Right now the best the Note 4 can do in that situation is 340 cm/nits. That's why I hope this S6 panel is an improvement and not just taken from the Note 4. Now that TouchWiz uses more white backgrounds, it won't be as energy efficient over the long term for having the display on and I certainly would like whites to look more white with better brightness on Average Picture Level
The white are very bad in amoleds
hamad138 said:
The white are very bad in amoleds
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I'd take an AMOLED white over an LCD black any day.
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Can't wait to see how it's doing under direct sunlight with the Edge
AM I the only person who thought the Note 4's display looked somewhat grainy? That and I often found a few models to have pinkish screens.
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I'd take an AMOLED white over an LCD black any day.
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They went from being inaccurately calibrated with yellow or green tints to being more proper on white point. They (QHD displays) display whites more accurately than most of the high-end LCD panels. The problem is, they don't look as good because they can't get very bright due to hardware limitations at the moment. AMOLED is still a premature technology that has improved tremendously in a few short years on the market, but more efficiency needs to be tuned in.
I prefer 1080p as all my videos are in that resolution. It's going to look worse upscaled in this. Also, not sure if eyes can even notice a difference on a phone call.
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I prefer 1080p as all my videos are in that resolution. It's going to look worse upscaled in this. Also, not sure if eyes can even notice a difference on a phone call.
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Short of pressing your face up against the screen and trying to look for flaws, it won't look any worse. 1080p is too many pixels for a 5" screen as it is. QHD is pure overkill.
Poetique said:
Short of pressing your face up against the screen and trying to look for flaws, it won't look any worse. 1080p is too many pixels for a 5" screen as it is. QHD is pure overkill.
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My point is I prefee it to display videos at native resolution.
Then I guess the S6 isn't for you. Lucky there are other options that are FHD still.
Improve the white coulor its really bad.
People always think they can't do better but still, they always do, they always manage to find a way to improve the technology.
Colour accuracy on the S6 doesn't seem to be as good as the Note 4 but the maximum brightness on the S6 should be a lot brighter than N4 (Samsung claims max 600 nits).
This data is for the edge, but I would think the S6 would be similar.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...benchmark-and-color-accuracy-analysis_id66830
Looks like a valid test done by someone at MWC, I'm not a fan of how the article was written and by who BTW. Should we be concerned? Added "Does anyone know the app being used in this test"
http://www.cultofandroid.com/72195/sorry-samsung-galaxy-s6-may-major-hardware-fault/
ponts said:
Looks like a valid test done by someone at MWC, I'm not a fan of how the article was written and by who BTW. Should we be concerned? Added "Does anyone know the app being used in this test"
http://www.cultofandroid.com/72195/sorry-samsung-galaxy-s6-may-major-hardware-fault/
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For all anyone knows this could be intentional to reduce the number of false touches.
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For all anyone knows this could be intentional to reduce the number of false touches.
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I agree it could be, as well it could be that the testing application isn't compatible yet with the new hardware? Anyways I tested a similar application with my Nexus 6 and I get responsiveness right to the edge. I sure would like to know the application he was using. I would also like to see this test on the s6 edge as well. I'm hoping this isn't a major issue as I have pre-ordered both the s6 and s6 edge.
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I agree it could be, as well it could be that the testing application isn't compatible yet with the new hardware? Anyways I tested a similar application with my Nexus 6 and I get responsiveness right to the edge. I sure would like to know the application he was using. I would also like to see this test on the s6 edge as well. I'm hoping this isn't a major issue as I have pre-ordered both the s6 and s6 edge.
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The S6 and the S6 edge?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrwqhAwQVLg