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[Impressions] Note owner, Impressed by the Galaxy Nexus

Hello guys,
This post is not meant to wine or get results, it's a general chat post, I'm sharing my thoughts and opinions, if you disagree and feel like sharing, go ahead, if you are here to troll, make a U turn and go away please!
Iv'e been using the Note for almost 2 months now, I love it - It's pretty fast, (Rocket V17 OCed to 1.7GHz), Battery holds up nicely, Screen is great.
But still it has some odd feel to it, like it's not perfect.
The Galaxy S II I had before the note, felt pretty perfect with the latest firmwares and some mods, but also, something was still lacking, for example, playing Glow Hockey 2 proved an annoying delay between the finger and the puck movement.
I always thought it was the game, but when I tried it on the iPhone 4 it was perfect.
Yesterday, I had a chance to touch'n'fell a Galaxy Nexus.
It was the first time I felt everything was right on an android phone. (Excluding the small screen compared to the note... I'm doomed on that part...)
Everything was ticking perfect. Smooth, Good looking, UI was perfect, no stutters, no FPS drops, no delays.
BTW, I was never an iPhone fan, but I can appreciate many things on iPhone/iOS, none the less, i'll never be an iProduct owner.
So what I wanted to share is that I hope that when Samsung release ICS for our note, the CM team will be able to use it to give us the experience that is going on with the Galaxy Nexus.
Me,
Out.

eitama said:
So what I wanted to share is that I hope that when Samsung release ICS for our note, the CM team will be able to use it to give us the experience that is going on with the Galaxy Nexus.
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I recently upgraded my HTC Sensation with a leaked ICS build (including Sense). It definitely made that phone much smoother and snappier than it was running Gingerbread - it really did transform the device!
I won't be swapping back to the Sensation over the Note, as overall I still prefer the larger screen of the Note, even though the Sensation running ICS feels faster than the Note.
Given that the Note with Gingerbread is definitely much smoother than my Sensation with Gingerbread/Sense, it certainly bodes well for the upcoming upgrade to ICS, and I fully expect an ICS Note to excel!
Regards,
Dave

I have same feels like you.. I have note 3 weeks and many things is not perfect.. When i open QnA section in galaxy nexus forum, there is no problems and when i open galaxy noge QnA its full of problems with display,scratches etc. But what is killing me is that nexus have only 5 mpx camera and 1.2 ghz processor :/ what you think i have to do? i have many problems with display,sound, many things lags, inaccurate display and s-pen, banding... With 3 or more issues i can refund and i dont know if i buy galaxy nexus or not :/

Hi eitama,
I was between the Nexus and the Note, and was tired of waiting for updates for my X10, it's screen is unusable with sweaty hands and the display on my SII had uneven brightness, forcing me to replace it 2 times in 1 month, receiving 2 faulty devices as a replacement.
Long story short, i wouldn't buy another Samsung device, but the need to have a fully functional phone led me to buy the Note, and i 'll tell you why.
First of all, the stock battery on the note is unmatched. 2500mAh is the best of the best right now. No need to double the size of the phone just to get that extra hour. Nexus has a 1750mAh as stock battery. It may last the same as the Note now, but it runs ICS. Our Note will only get better with it's dual core optimization.
Secondly, the screen. I can't see myself going to a phone having less than 5 inch screen. I couldn't be more happy with the display performance. Even though the colors might not be that accurate, i have faith in the dev community here fixing the issue. If i am not mistaken, Supercurio has been working on a fix. Nexus's ppi is higher sure, but do you really need to pinch to zoom to read something every time?
S-pen. It has replaced pen and paper for me. Nexus doesn't have something similar coming out of the box and it doesn't have the hardware space to facilitate a pen inside it. I am not sure if it has a dual digitizer screen also. Our Note's screen is both pressure sensitive and capasitive.
About the need to have the latest software update available. I used to have that, then i took a Note in my pocket. Joking aside, i've been browsing the Nexus sub-forums and i have seen the "Once the ICS's wowness ware out, it's just another phone" type of threads. I can't say the same about you, but if people are bothered enough to post about it, i am sure that would happen to me as well. Besides, ICS will come to the Note too. It's not like we are wondering if we will get the update, like other devices.
Camera. Again, you will see countless thread over the Nexus forums complaining about it. Quality aside, I 'll ask you this. Do you really find yourself in a situation where you have to take 10 pictures in 12 seconds?
Expandable storage.
If you check the development section here, you will see many stock roms that have been leaked that improve smoothness, touch sensitivity, battery life. Grab one of these babes if having a smooth device is a must. I am tempted to flash one of them, but being on stock KK5 unrooted is more than i could ask. I 'll wait to see ICS come via KIES, then root this beast. Happy days.
In the end, it's your call. I was just posting my point of view.

Sramie said:
I have same feels like you.. I have note 3 weeks and many things is not perfect.. When i open QnA section in galaxy nexus forum, there is no problems and when i open galaxy noge QnA its full of problems with display,scratches etc. But what is killing me is that nexus have only 5 mpx camera and 1.2 ghz processor :/ what you think i have to do? i have many problems with display,sound, many things lags, inaccurate display and s-pen, banding... With 3 or more issues i can refund and i dont know if i buy galaxy nexus or not :/
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In my opinion, if you don't take too many pictures, you will get used to the camera, no matter the quality, and I doubt it's bad. 5mp is enough.
If you don't mind the smaller screen size, I think the Galaxy Nexus is a win phone.
I'm thinking about this issue myself. I'm kind of tires of being late at receiving firmware. And tired of samsung crapware, even though they do have some nice additions, all of these can be added to aosp.
Lets be honest, how many times did you remove the external sdcard from the phone? How many times were 16gb not enough?
The flaws of the Nexus can be tolerated, where as some flaws inserted by Samsung just keep annoying you.

ICS could be what u r looking for

@Bassarnis,
Thanks for you great reply, It was a pleasure to read.
I know the Note is amazing, I also enjoy using it, and the more people ram me for having such a large phone "Q:does it fit in your pocket? ; A:Where do you think it was up until now?" The more I enjoy having it.
But, I remember the first time I touched an iPhone 3gs, the experience was great, for about 20 minutes I was sure it's the best phone ever, then I started finding out all the limitation is annoyances and it got off the list, Still, the first 20 minutes were amazing.
With the Galaxy Nexus, I really had those 20 minutes all over again, they only ended by the dude owning the phone having to go home
The note, with custom kernel, all the fixes in the world, still lags!?
Believe me I know how to trace those problems, been having and hacking android for a long time. I know all about freezing all the right apps, running top, running logcat, disabling logs, OC, BetterBatteryStats, tweaking the live wallpaper, removing unwanted services - Still the note just lags.
BTW, Full wipe everytime I switch rom.
I don't even keeps my photos/vids/mp3s on the phone cause I want to start over clean. Only thing I leave behind is SMS/Contacts via google account/Whatsapp backup/Where's my water backup
I am just not sure the ICS Nexus like smoothness will be kept with samsung "baked" roms. (even if they are baked by samsung themselves)...
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I can stand software issues.. But not hardware.. This phone is crapped by samsung. I seen many peoples that replaced their note 37582 times and always got defect device... I have 16 gb external cor movies and often take pictures.. This is why i choosed Gnote... But i have on my device about 5 issues.. Hardware... So i will replace my gnote for new one.. If somethinv goes wrong, hail galaxy nexus!

eitama said:
In my opinion, if you don't take too many pictures, you will get used to the camera, no matter the quality, and I doubt it's bad. 5mp is enough.
If you don't mind the smaller screen size, I think the Galaxy Nexus is a win phone.
I'm thinking about this issue myself. I'm kind of tires of being late at receiving firmware. And tired of samsung crapware, even though they do have some nice additions, all of these can be added to aosp.
Lets be honest, how many times did you remove the external sdcard from the phone? How many times were 16gb not enough?
The flaws of the Nexus can be tolerated, where as some flaws inserted by Samsung just keep annoying you.
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16 gb is a joke for a super phone. I have a 32gb card in my note and still not enough. I see you don't keep videos on your phone or a good song collection and photos. Don't tell me about cloud storage- that requires a data connection. A 5 mg camera on a superphone again is a joke. No removable storage on a super phone is also a joke. The processor on the Nexus doesn't bother me though that also could he better.

graphic is also old.. but is more useable as Gnote

I was gunning for the nexus as well, but the hardware was not impressive enough.
And I wen't for the Note, because I knew I would be running ICS eventually.
I come from an HTC Incredible S so for me this is a huge step up from what I had.
But I'm absolutely sure CM9 would give an even better user experience.

eitama said:
Lets be honest, how many times did you remove the external sdcard from the phone? How many times were 16gb not enough?
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I have over 20gb of movies on my SD card, and my internal memory is nearly full with GPS maps, music, and games.
16gb unexpandable is a definite deal breaker for me.
Regards,
Dave
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eitama said:
Lets be honest, how many times did you remove the external sdcard from the phone? How many times were 16gb not enough?
The flaws of the Nexus can be tolerated, where as some flaws inserted by Samsung just keep annoying you.
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I never really replace the SD card, but I do use it quite frequently.

Today rocket rom V18 was released, and i backed up everything getting ready for a full wipe, so i decided to try cm9 by maui, just to see how it runs, and it's a lot better then I thought.
I'll use it for a few days, and if we can run Nova/Trebuchet on samsung stock ICS, maybe the note will fullfill me after all.

I love my galaxy note.

Its the best phone i've ever had and it really fits me.
I love everypart of it. From the big screen to the pen.
Just wanted post it, since it seems this forum is filled with complaints or whining posts. Galaxa note is realy just the perfect phone for me so far.
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I love my too lol especially with the custom roms I've flashed.
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+9999 even with stock rom, it rocks... With ics it probably can fly ;:
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I think Samsung could have done a better job with the ROM. The SGS II Roms are great and very stable.
Memory Management, Optimization are a few things Samsung needs to improve with the Note. Once thats there, I dont see why this device cant rock even more just out of the box.

I am very curious if ICS will bring our Notes really to a higher level
I love the note too!
The big screen is very handy for surfing and remote PC.
The speed?..... Blazing fast, boot also! (I came from a Galaxy S I9000).

dhruvmalik said:
I think Samsung could have done a better job with the ROM. The SGS II Roms are great and very stable.
Memory Management, Optimization are a few things Samsung needs to improve with the Note. Once thats there, I dont see why this device cant rock even more just out of the box.
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For the record: i love my Note! It's not fair comparing it to gs2 seeing as those ROMs have had a year of polishing and optimizing. Get back to me when note ROMs are as mature and we'll talk.
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and with ics it will be another story

Just trying the alpha ics has been amazing and very difficult to go back to gingerbread. When ics does finally get leaked for us it will open up the true capabilities I think. It just brings a level of performance that is near impossible to reach with any amount of tweaking on gingerbread.

that's right... i mean that ics will be better for the battery duration .... with a good ram managment the battery life can be longer

Yeah.. I love my Gnote too.. Captains perogative..

TxDLoaD said:
Its the best phone i've ever had and it really fits me.
I love everypart of it. From the big screen to the pen.
Just wanted post it, since it seems this forum is filled with complaints or whining posts. Galaxa note is realy just the perfect phone for me so far.
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I love it too!! I just have two things to say. First, people who pay 700+ for a phone with problrms have every right to complain about it and instead of being mean to them I feel that we could read the parts we like and ignore the rest. After all, hope boring life would be if everyone had the same opinion.... good god, we would all end up liking some like whoopi goldberg or george bush (dumbya)...
Second (not directed to u). I have ICS on my son's samsung Nexus and the settings actually look like a big step backwards instead of a leap forward. Im actually thinking of leaving 2.3.6 once ICS ever makes it to the Note.
My two cents.

2 things I wished the Note had...
1. More ram...1.5gb would rock.
2. 32gb internal storage..
but it still rocks.

More RAM would be nice, and better battery management. I have rooted and installed a firewall and autorun (to prevent pesky apps popping up whenever they feel like eating some of my battery ), and it now lasts the day. I should not have to root and configure just for a full day's battery IMO, but that is Android all over.
Other than that, it is pretty much the very best phone I have ever used and beats all my previous desires (and creates new ones, of course). Prior to that it was my i-mate Jas Jar with 640x480 screen and full qwerty keyboard. Windows was pants, however, and "inactive sync" finally made me give it up.
My note with a custom noreve case (ordered) and my slim Think Outside full size folding BT keyboard (and mouse if I ever find it again) makes the very best of any smartphone that exists today, IMO!

I came from imate jas jar to HTC hd2 and now the Note. I'm absolutely loving it
I'm just wondering how long I can go before the bug gets to me and I start flashing new roms. I used to flash my HD2 almost every week.
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BeamMeUpStreaky said:
I love it too!! I just have two things to say. First, people who pay 700+ for a phone with problrms have every right to complain about it and instead of being mean to them I feel that we could read the parts we like and ignore the rest. After all, hope boring life would be if everyone had the same opinion.... good god, we would all end up liking some like whoopi goldberg or george bush (dumbya)...
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You're right. Though to be fair, mostly people have been arguing with the people who start complaining that this is a bad phone or pretending that the display sucks (in general, not of a particular defective piece).

Like everyone here I love my note a lot too and I'm not complaining mine, m previous phone was a nokia N97mini and it was a disaster, apart from the really sexy yet sofisticated look the entire phone was a mess. Paint coming off every where, tons of random crashes lack of updates and don't get me started about the OS. Just like that the list goes on and on and I don't wanna waste anyone's time but basically I didn't know what I was missing in mobile technology till I got my iPod that's when I realize 'this phone really sucks'. So coming from a very rudimentary phone I can't complain much but I will not deny there is room for improvement like the brightness, I wish I could decrease further than using a different app to decrease it which I realised also cause lack in color quality. I'm really looking forward to ICS hoping it will answer all my prayers
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Got my note a few days ago and loving it, too. I was a bit disappointed with the stock software, but after flashing Cassie's XtraLiteRom v8 and JKays mod it performs like it should and is nice to use.
Android could certainly take a few hints from MeeGo on how to build a user-friendly UI, though.

I loooove mine too! but like someone else said it really needs ics, since i come from a gnex(still have it) it's hard to swallow. But the big screen and lte data speed i easily forget about gingerbread!
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luv u too my note..

I love mine too, however for a few days had battery life issues, but got them fixed. d

I decided not to buy Note 2.

I will not buy a Note 2 and proceed with a Nexus device.
Be it from LG, HTC or Samsung.
The Original Note has already frustrated me to a point I can't bear no longer.
Let me explain why before you Note 2 worshippers come and attack me.
Original Note Frustrations:
1. ICS Update for GT-N7000
- Gingerbread theme on an ICS based ROM. I mean comeon how lazy are you Samsung really?
- Even the Gallery is not updated. It's stock Gallery from Gingerbread (Fixed in latest half-assed S3 lookalike update)
2. Midway ICS transition to JB Update for GT-N7000
- Improves the situation abit but still very gingerbread-ish.
- Finally the launcher lags no more. I mean after 10 months after launch? SERIOUSLY SAMSUNG?!
- New Gallery from Note 2. I applaud this. A great improvement from your Gingerbread Gallery.
3. Waiting for Updates.
4. S-Pen, no matter how much you worship this Samsung innovation, it does not feel native to the core OS.
5. Super AMOLED HD is a pain in the ass.
- Screen degrades too quickly. It takes 6 months only for the whites in my Note to go YELLOW. 6 freaking months.
- Try to view a full screen white image when you are using your S-AMOLED HD phone. Its completely uneven.
- I mean, really? Left is pure white. Right is yellow? What sorcery is this?!
- Pentile but solved in Note 2 but quick degration is probably still present.
- I swear the Note 1 which has higher pixel density is more blurr-ish than my iPad 3 which has a lower pixel density.
- Black Clipping. A serious problem still not solved from Day 1. Frustrating.
6. Aspect Ratio.
- To me is a downgrade. Less resolution.
- 16:10 allows me to have wider portrait viewing.
7. Samsung Exynos
- A real benchmarking powerhouse but still sucks anyway.
- Why it sucks? Documentation and source support. We Note 1 owners still don't get no Project Butter thanks to Samsung.
8. Samsung TouchWiz
- TouchWiz is clunky and unfinished. (They almost solved it in TouchWiz Nature)
- Too many gimmicks unless I mention are useful ones.
- Direct Call is useful.
- AllShare sucks compared to AirPlay. I can't AllShare my YouTube. But I can AirPlay my YouTube on iPad.
- Same thing for Pop Up Video. Why can't I Pop Up my YouTube? As I explained earlier, not built into Core OS.
- AirView (Note 2 specific feature) Completely unrealistic. Apple developed a way superior "pinch-a-little" to view photos. Who the hell wants to take out the S-Pen just so you can preview some photos which might not be photos you want to see even. Might as well click the album and view all right? AirView on Video Player is the same thing. You can just hold the seekbar right? Why use a pen?
But these are things I love about the original Note.
1. Battery is huge. I mean can really last two days long!
2. Screen size. I swear its perfect for my hands.
3. Video support is amazing!
I know Note 2 solved many of this problems but you know what. The future is still bleak with its Exynos processor.
The brick bug? Comeon. Samsung seriously? You still haven't fix it in months?!
Imagine another Project like Project Ultra Mega Buttery Smooth in Android 5.0 and then devs realised drivers are incompatible
with Note 2 and must wait for Samsung to release the drivers which could take months!
Note 2 is a good phone if only you don't see its flaws.
I learnt the hard way that hardware is not everything.
Software is important too with the dev support.
Note forums is practically dead until Samsung releases JB sources for the OG Note.
I expect a half-assed update whatever the next version of Android is when S4 comes out for Note 2. Trust me on that.
Your future with the Note 2 will be bleak with frustrations.
Ask any dev using Note 1 including me.
Frustration awaits.
Have a good day.
Yours truly
OG Note user from Launch Day.

I still want it. Anyone else still going to get it?
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Cool. Will read again.

Oh, good luck with lg. They are so reliable with software updates
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I still want it. Anyone else still going to get it?
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got it. in one word this phablet is 'marvellous' it outshines other recent phones in every department from speed to display. no matter what the hardware is, but this giant is fast.

Anyone else think that this thread is unnecessary?
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schiwa said:
got it. in one word this phablet is 'marvellous' it outshines other recent phones in every department from speed to display. no matter what the hardware is, but this giant is fast.
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I bet it does. Can't wait till it comes out for sprint. Nothing can beat this beast.
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Ok thank you for letting us know, this is a very useful thread.
Also, every phone is a good phone if you don't see their flaws, what's your point?

stoney73 said:
Oh, good luck with lg. They are so reliable with software updates
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The point of Nexus is Google handles the updates.

Livebyte said:
The point of Nexus is Google handles the updates.
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That's why the Verizon galaxy nexus got its Jelly Bean update so quickly then I guess.

D3_ said:
That's why the Verizon galaxy nexus got its Jelly Bean update so quickly then I guess.
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I don't have to worry about that. I don't come from the West. All the devices here on contract or not is unlocked by law.

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I was refreshing this page waiting for reply exactly like this lol..

Livebyte said:
After all the frustrations with the Note 1.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32144030&postcount=117
Funny how you were saying how you were so glad to have switched to the OG Note less than 2 weeks ago....
And didn't you supposedly have an N7105 too?

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not trying to take that away. But being an owner of a Note 2 for about 4+ days now, I couldn't disagree with you more with virtually every bullet point.
Jelly Bean and S-Pen apps are revolutionary upgrade over the Note 1. Pull out the pen, and the device unlocks locks automatically and you're ready to write. Push it back in, and you're back to the home screen. The AirView works amazing, and it adds a whole new level of useful UI that is similar to hovering with a mouse but maybe even better. It is a feature that I am sure Apple is falling over themselves running to the conference room to see how they can get something like AirView. S-Pen functionally is heavily baked into the OS. And it feels refined. They seriously put a lot of focus here, so I am surprised that you say that anything is half baked.
I agree with you that TouchWiz for Gingerbread and ICS is seriously ugly. The Note 2 comes with TouchWiz UX (heavily modified for S-Pen), and it is a beautiful UI, better than any launcher available on the market (just my opinion. Some of TW UX is only clunky because they had to remove UI improvements due to Apple patent infringements. Minor annoyances really.
TouchWiz was made ugly on purpose by Samsung because they are in the business of controlling OS updates to sell more phones. And no, just because it is Exynos, it doesn't have anything to do with not getting OS updates. You're not going to do any better with updates with a Samsung that has a Snapdragon processor. If the Note 1 ever gets Jelly Bean, it will be TouchWiz again and uglified. So why are you sticking with the Note 1 again?
I agree that the new RGB screen is not anything special. It is pretty much performs identical to the Galaxy S3 screen except when examined under the microscope. It is not any brighter, at least mine is not.
You sound like you enjoy watching videos on the Note. Most HD videos are in 16:9 ratios these days, so that on a 16:10 screen, you get black bars on top and bottom. Thus you are only using 5.15" of your 5.3" screen on the Note 1. And the Galaxy Note having a 5.55" screen means you get a .4" upgrade from the Note. Whether you think an extra .4" for video is up to you.
Note 2 has a great battery. If you probably leave it alone and not use it, it would probably go for much longer than 2 days. It is that no one with a Note 2 has been letting it sit there for days and monitoring the battery just yet. It will happen, and the numbers can only be great. I was on it pretty heavily today tethering it, streaming videos, putting it through stress tests, speed tests, benchmarks, and I managed to go nearly 18 hours.
I guess what I'm saying is, in my opinion, your perspective on the Note 2 is completely off. And the reason I say that is what you are saying is polar opposite compared to all the people that have owned it for a few days and have reviewed it (myself included).
But hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

+1 to all that written above..
And 2 updates in 2 weeks..!!!
Samsung is really stepped on the pedal & its not gonna get any better then this on any OEM..
And good luck with the boring aosp experience..
Now someone close the thread..
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foxmeister said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32144030&postcount=117
Funny how you were saying how you were so glad to have switched to the OG Note less than 2 weeks ago....
And didn't you supposedly have an N7105 too?
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A complete joke I know. I will never buy a HTC device again. I'm glad I made the switch to the OG Note from Sensation.
Oooo. Running TouchWiz 5 now stock on Note! :laugh:
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Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

someone's just upset that the phone is beyond amazing and they can't handle it haha

Lucidmike said:
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not trying to take that away. But being an owner of a Note 2 for about 4+ days now, I couldn't disagree with you more with virtually every bullet point.
Jelly Bean and S-Pen apps are revolutionary upgrade over the Note 1. Pull out the pen, and the device unlocks locks automatically and you're ready to write. Push it back in, and you're back to the home screen. The AirView works amazing, and it adds a whole new level of useful UI that is similar to hovering with a mouse but maybe even better. It is a feature that I am sure Apple is falling over themselves running to the conference room to see how they can get something like AirView. S-Pen functionally is heavily baked into the OS. And it feels refined. They seriously put a lot of focus here, so I am surprised that you say that anything is half baked.
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I agree, but S-Pen as I said will never feel native in the OS. But the minor improvements are definitely welcome.
AirView is useful to a certain extent. I don't imagine anyone wants to take out the S-Pen to view a preview of their photos or videos.
when they can just tap and see the actual image or video. Plus for AirView in Gallery, Apple did a much smarter way. Pinching a little to see a preview. That's smarter than taking out a pen to view.
I wasn't saying about Note 2. I was saying about how Note 1 is completely half-baked. I've tried Note 2. Its an improvement but not a major one.
One more time, I will say it again. It won't feel native to the OS.
I agree with you that TouchWiz for Gingerbread and ICS is seriously ugly. The Note 2 comes with TouchWiz UX (heavily modified for S-Pen), and it is a beautiful UI, better than any launcher available on the market (just my opinion. Some of TW UX is only clunky because they had to remove UI improvements due to Apple patent infringements. Minor annoyances really.
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A major improvement I agree, but this causes the update dilemma. A serious problem no matter how much you love TouchWiz.
I love TouchWiz but I would give anything for a better update schedule near the iOS level.
TouchWiz was made ugly on purpose by Samsung because they are in the business of controlling OS updates to sell more phones. And no, just because it is Exynos, it doesn't have anything to do with not getting OS updates. You're not going to do any better with updates with a Samsung that has a Snapdragon processor. If the Note 1 ever gets Jelly Bean, it will be TouchWiz again and uglified. So why are you sticking with the Note 1 again?
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Yes, the main reason Note 1 is still stuck with an unfinished JB is because of Exynos.
Not essentially true, I recall Exynos 4210 devices are the only powerhouses left that doesn't have hwcomposer fixed properly yet.
I agree that the new RGB screen is not anything special. It is pretty much performs identical to the Galaxy S3 screen except when examined under the microscope. It is not any brighter, at least mine is not.
You sound like you enjoy watching videos on the Note. Most HD videos are in 16:9 ratios these days, so that on a 16:10 screen, you get black bars on top and bottom. Thus you are only using 5.15" of your 5.3" screen on the Note 1. And the Galaxy Note having a 5.55" screen means you get a .4" upgrade from the Note. Whether you think an extra .4" for video is up to you.
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AMOLED screens degrade very quickly. Brightness is not that important if the screens degrade so quickly compared to an LCD.
Note 2 has a great battery. If you probably leave it alone and not use it, it would probably go for much longer than 2 days. It is that no one with a Note 2 has been letting it sit there for days and monitoring the battery just yet. It will happen, and the numbers can only be great. I was on it pretty heavily today tethering it, streaming videos, putting it through stress tests, speed tests, benchmarks, and I managed to go nearly 18 hours.
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I totally agree with you.
I guess what I'm saying is, in my opinion, your perspective on the Note 2 is completely off. And the reason I say that is what you are saying is polar opposite compared to all the people that have owned it for a few days and have reviewed it (myself included).
But hey, you're entitled to your opinion.
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I didn't say much about Note 2. I was saying alot of the original Note.
A frustration but nonetheless an excellent device.
Well I'm just here to give an opinion.
Note 2 is amazing device. If you can live with the flaws, it's the best phone yet.
Galaxy Nexus and OG Note came out near the same time.
And now, the Nexus is way much superior to the Note because of the software.
I hope you get my point. I'm talking about the future here.
Not the current state of the device now which is amazing.

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After all the frustrations with the Note 1.
- Half-assed ICS update. I mean comeon a gingerbread theme in ICS? Really?
- Then they decided to update halfway to half-baked S3 UI and still looks clunky.
- Tired of waiting for updates.
- S-Pen no matter what you think of it, doesn't feel native as in baked into the Android subsystem.
- S-AMOLED. I don't like it. The screen degrades too quickly. Now my whites are super yellow. Its frustrating! Best part the notification bar area is whiter then the other areas with a distinctive line. Disappointing.
- Pentile. (But they solved it with Note 2!) My eyes are never the same after seeing iPad 3's screen and looking at Note 1 is just blurry. Best part is iPad 3 has a lower pixel density than Note 1.
- Change of aspect ratio. I bought Note 1 because of 16:10. And it's gone. Don't tell me about the advantages about 16:9 because I like 16:10.
- Samsung source support. Seriously? Note 1 still doesn't have buttery smooth JB. Unbelievable. I will never buy an Exynos device ever again.
- TouchWiz. I love some aspects of it but I hate most of it. It's seriously ugly but somewhat useful in some ways. The newest iteration seems just fine, but not sparkling.
But these are things I love about the original Note.
- Battery is huge. I mean can really last two days long!
- Screen size. I swear its perfect for my hands.
- Video support is amazing!
I know Note 2 solved many of this problems but you know what. The future is still bleak with its Exynos processor.
The brick bug? Comeon. Samsung seriously? You still haven't fix it in months?!
Imagine another Project like Project Ultra Mega Buttery Smooth in Android 5.0 and then devs realised drivers are incompatible
with Note 2 and must wait for Samsung to release the drivers which could take months!
Note 2 is a good phone if only you don't see its flaws.
I learnt the hard way that hardware is not everything.
Software is important too with the dev support.
Note forums is practically dead until Samsung releases JB sources for the OG Note.
After seeing the LG Nexus, I don't feel like buying Note 2 even though I had an eye for Note 2 even before it came out.
I expect a half-assed update whatever the next version of Android is when S4 comes out for Note 2. Trust me on that.
Good day to all Note 2 current and future owners.
Your future with the Note 2 will be bleak with frustrations.
Have a good day.
Yours truly
OG Note user from Launch Day.
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1. You clearly prefer stock firmware/updates. In which case, why are you even here? Most users on xda prefer their devices rooted and running custom firmware, or at the very least, stock but processed (rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, the works...).
2. Don't like your UI? You don't even necessarily need root. There are plenty of launchers on play store alone to allow some sort of customization (Apex launcher is my personal favourite for example). If you want more than that, you'll most likely need to root.
3. I don't know what kind of miracles you expect doing with the S-Pen, but it IS in fact integrated to Samsung's firmware. Be it code, or simply drivers.
4. I have no clue what's wrong with your screen, but mine is crystal clear. Beautiful colours and very smooth.
5. True, no official Jellybean update as of yet. But, that's why we have a community of amazing devs here that bring it to us, whether it's in the form of a leak, or cyanogen based ports. Either way, they work on it hard to give us as stable releases as possible. Hence the name of this website, if you haven't noticed... xda-DEVELOPERS.
6. The Exynos processor on the GT-I9100 (Galaxy SII), still even now, pulls some of the best benchmarks on the market.
7. If the device is ugly, in your opinion, why bother even getting one in the first place?
8. Although I do agree the Note forums aren't as lively as other devices, there are some seriously stable rom options there, with MANY cool features.
9. "Note 2 is a good phone if only you don't see its flaws"?! This makes no sense. No general consumer market tech is flawless out of the box. I owned 2 LG devices.... Never again. You just cant compare the build quality between Samsung and LG.
Bottom line, if you don't know how to use your device properly, or to its fullest potential, don't complain about it.
This thread should be locked in my opinion.
Can't believe I wasted my time commenting about this. I just had to... LOL

Well I did buy the Note 2 and have been using it for 5 days now. But I can say one of the main reasons I bought it was that there were not really any acceptable alternatives for me. I was using an S3 and actually waited until the IPhone 5 was released to take a look but it was still too small.
I have a couple of complaints similar to the op's, and the first one is Amoled. The sad fact is that for the most part if you use a Samsung phone these days you have to deal with an unrealistic color representation and other display issues. If someone could make a 5 inch phone with the IPad 3 display quality they could have all my money. Now the Note 2 has maybe the best Amoled I have seen, but it is still not quite ready.
The other things are the various little problems with design. And here is an example that has me pissed off: If you are using your phone as a music player and used the long press on the headphone button to adjust volume well that will not work any more with 4.1.1. Instead it brings up the ridiculous Google voice search. So if you want to adjust the volume you have to take the phone out of your pocket and hit the button. And this is 2012. I have to wonder if the engineers who design these things actually use them. Did they ever take them home for a weekend or try to use them in day to day life? Usability problems like this make me nuts, and are why I nearly went back to the IPhone after using 3 different Samsung phones.

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1. You clearly prefer stock firmware/updates. In which case, why are you even here? Most users on xda prefer their devices rooted and running custom firmware, or at the very least, stock but processed (rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, the works...).
2. Don't like your UI? You don't even necessarily need root. There are plenty of launchers on play store alone to allow some sort of customization (Apex launcher is my personal favourite for example). If you want more than that, you'll most likely need to root.
3. I don't know what kind of miracles you expect doing with the S-Pen, but it IS in fact integrated to Samsung's firmware. Be it code, or simply drivers.
4. I have no clue what's wrong with your screen, but mine is crystal clear. Beautiful colours and very smooth.
5. True, no official Jellybean update as of yet. But, that's why we have a community of amazing devs here that bring it to us, whether it's in the form of a leak, or cyanogen based ports. Either way, they work on it hard to give us as stable releases as possible. Hence the name of this website, if you haven't noticed... xda-DEVELOPERS.
6. The Exynos processor on the GT-I9100 (Galaxy SII), still even now, pulls some of the best benchmarks on the market.
7. If the device is ugly, in your opinion, why bother even getting one in the first place?
8. Although I do agree the Note forums aren't as lively as other devices, there are some seriously stable rom options there, with MANY cool features.
9. "Note 2 is a good phone if only you don't see its flaws"?! This makes no sense. No general consumer market tech is flawless out of the box. I owned 2 LG devices.... Never again. You just cant compare the build quality between Samsung and LG.
Bottom line, if you don't know how to use your device properly, or to its fullest potential, don't complain about it.
This thread should be locked in my opinion.
Can't believe I wasted my time commenting about this. I just had to... LOL
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You didn't read what I said. Do I have to repeat again? OMG.
Root or not, with dev or no dev.
It's nearly impossible to provide a STABLE JB-based ROM with hwcomposer working (aka Project Butter component) if the manufacturer doesn't provide the drivers for JB.
Yeah for now the screen is amazing, wait just maybe 6 months.
Enjoy your pathetic yellowish degraded screen.
I never even said the device is ugly. Seriously? Do you even read?
Pulls the best benchmarks with no stable JB hooray
while a TI-based phone which produces lower benchmarks has stable JB. I'm so happy.
I agree with you on the last point.
It's a wait and see approach. But the original Note is going to be my last Samsung device ever. Too many flaws.

Worth getting this?

My girlfriend got this tablet today, at my recommendation. It's the lte, snapdragon 800 version. She wanted a 10 inch tablet so I thought this would be one of the best products on the market. I was so wrong... I owned a nexus 10 previously and that tablet was flying, had very snappy ui. This one simply isn't as smooth. Even the launcher seems laggy, like it's not running at 60 fps (more like 40 fps, not very choppy but noticeable). And TouchWiz... Omg the entire system feels like frigging gingerbread, what's with that ugly white in the settings and notification. Forget gingerbread, this looks like froyo.
So I insisted she sends it back and get a nexus 7, but she actually likes it. She likes the s pen and multi window (which I won't deny that are great features, I own a note device myself) but she hates how the ui looks as well.
I can't understand why this feels so stuttery, on paper it has killer specs.
Please don't think that I'm bashing you guys for getting this device, it's your money, your decision and your taste, I have no problems with that, I just personally feel that there are better alternatives for Android tablets, especially that this costs so much.
But do you think it will get better in time? Maybe with the kitkat update? Will it at least change the UI? It's currently so ugly!

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Please don't think that I'm bashing you guys for getting this device, it's your money, your decision and your taste, I have no problems with that, I just personally feel that there are better alternatives for Android tablets, especially that this costs so much.
But do you think it will get better in time? Maybe with the kitkat update? Will it at least change the UI? It's currently so ugly!
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Does anyone here actually use their devices for anything but transitioning through home pages and opening and closing apps? That's where there's some lag and stuttering. I don't have any performance issues within apps and I have 142 installed. Your girlfriend sounds like most of the people I know that have N10.1-14's or Pro/Notes and like them; a lot. The more you do with them the more you appreciate them. For basic consumption any tablet will do and there are a lot cheaper options than the N10.1-14. If I was just looking for consumption I'd own an iPad as its transitions and overall fluidity is better than any stock Android device. Not everyone here's looking for a garage project. As for 7/8" vs. 10+" there's no comparison for creation and productivity so recommending a small format tablet to someone who needs/wants a larger one doesn't really fly. And the N10 with its 32nm eighteen month old CPU and GPU that's half as capable as either the Mali/Adreno in the Pro/Notes is a non-starter. The only other ultra HD 10" tablet is the TF701 and it's got lag issues too as reported by users. People should buy what makes them happy and clearly the Pro/Note's aren't for everyone.
And the Pro/Note's with 4.4 and M-UX still have some of the stuttering and lag people have been complaining about so I wouldn't bank on major improvements going forward. Core TW has been touched up and is a bit cleaner and flatter but those that hate it will continue to do so. All the productivity features (multi-window, S Finder, My Files, S Note, Pen Window, S Pen, Action Memo, Scrap Book, persistent clipboard, Air Command, Air View, syncing Scrap Book, S Note, and the stock browser across devices) have a ton of open threads and processes running in the background even when they aren't active. With no running apps I've cleared RAM and had 40+ processes close. Moral of the story is if you don't want/use those things (EG: you) they waste resources and slow down performance. But if you do (EG: me and your girlfriend) there's nothing that compares to the N10.1-14 and other Pro/Notes.
I'm doing some office work at a coffee shop; here's my setup. There's no tablet I can think of that lets me do what my N10.1-14 does in such a small factor. I had the old N10.1 and could leave my laptop home about 25% of the time. With the N10.1-14 I'm up to 50+%. That, at least to me, is worth some millisecond-long stuttering in transitions.

lvnatic said:
My girlfriend got this tablet today, at my recommendation. It's the lte, snapdragon 800 version. She wanted a 10 inch tablet so I thought this would be one of the best products on the market. I was so wrong... I owned a nexus 10 previously and that tablet was flying, had very snappy ui. This one simply isn't as smooth. Even the launcher seems laggy, like it's not running at 60 fps (more like 40 fps, not very choppy but noticeable). And TouchWiz... Omg the entire system feels like frigging gingerbread, what's with that ugly white in the settings and notification. Forget gingerbread, this looks like froyo.
So I insisted she sends it back and get a nexus 7, but she actually likes it. She likes the s pen and multi window (which I won't deny that are great features, I own a note device myself) but she hates how the ui looks as well.
I can't understand why this feels so stuttery, on paper it has killer specs.
Please don't think that I'm bashing you guys for getting this device, it's your money, your decision and your taste, I have no problems with that, I just personally feel that there are better alternatives for Android tablets, especially that this costs so much.
But do you think it will get better in time? Maybe with the kitkat update? Will it at least change the UI? It's currently so ugly!
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I feel your pain, and while I really like this tablet, I'm not a fanboy and won't make excuses or explanations for the lagginess etc. All I will say is this, check http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/ for the latest firmware for your model (p605 I think) and download and install it via Odin. I have the wifi only model and the latest firmwares (NC2 and NC3) made a HUGE difference in the overall responsiveness of the tablet. With tweaking and customization this tablet is heads and shoulders above the iPad and all other tablets, but it takes a little work (disabling unnecessary Samsung apps and services for example).
Hope it works out though bro.

NC2 has helped a lot. My snappy version still stutters occasionally but its pretty rare these days. I agree that it is a bit poor that Samsung released the device in what seems like an unfinished state. However there are few alternatives that can offer the functionality of this tablet.
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toyanucci said:
I feel your pain, and while I really like this tablet, I'm not a fanboy and won't make excuses or explanations for the lagginess etc. All I will say is this, check http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/ for the latest firmware for your model (p605 I think) and download and install it via Odin. I have the wifi only model and the latest firmwares (NC2 and NC3) made a HUGE difference in the overall responsiveness of the tablet. With tweaking and customization this tablet is heads and shoulders above the iPad and all other tablets, but it takes a little work (disabling unnecessary Samsung apps and services for example).
Hope it works out though bro.
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Thanks, I'm gonna check that out.
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My opinion is flash custom rom and kernal, get rid of bloat and use nova laucher instead of touchwiz and youll see a big difference. When its all stock there is alot of unessary things you dont need or use. Theres alot of changes you can do to speed it up.Just search around the threads and youll find a ton of info.

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My opinion is flash custom rom and kernal, get rid of bloat and use nova laucher instead of touchwiz and youll see a big difference. When its all stock there is alot of unessary things you dont need or use. Theres alot of changes you can do to speed it up.Just search around the threads and youll find a ton of info.
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Doesn't this tablet have the knox trigger which voids warranty? I usually don't mess up with someone else's devices, but especially in this case when it's about my girlfriend.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Does anyone here actually use their devices for anything but transitioning through home pages and opening and closing apps? That's where there's some lag and stuttering. I don't have any performance issues within apps and I have 142 installed. Your girlfriend sounds like most of the people I know that have N10.1-14's or Pro/Notes and like them; a lot. The more you do with them the more you appreciate them. For basic consumption any tablet will do and there are a lot cheaper options than the N10.1-14. If I was just looking for consumption I'd own an iPad as its transitions and overall fluidity is better than any stock Android device. Not everyone here's looking for a garage project. As for 7/8" vs. 10+" there's no comparison for creation and productivity so recommending a small format tablet to someone who needs/wants a larger one doesn't really fly. And the N10 with its 32nm eighteen month old CPU and GPU that's half as capable as either the Mali/Adreno in the Pro/Notes is a non-starter. The only other ultra HD 10" tablet is the TF701 and it's got lag issues too as reported by users. People should buy what makes them happy and clearly the Pro/Note's aren't for everyone.
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Haha yea I dont get it either ... i have both notes [ 2012 & 2014 ] its a huuuge improvement ... when I open the browser on my old one it takes 5- 10 seconds to load up ... the 2014 edition does have no loading times it starts up instantly.... but this is the only thing ... sime minor startup problems ... but these are gone on the new note ... so I dont get whats the complainign about ...

BarryH_GEG said:
Does anyone here actually use their devices for anything but transitioning through home pages and opening and closing apps?
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You deserve the Internet kind Sir! [emoji106]
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You're not going to get the S Pen experience anywhere else so I think the conversation is pretty much over on if it should be kept. She's keeping it. If you love her, you'll root it and customize the crap out of it to give her the experience you know she deserves. *cues Palladio suite*

I like the build quality very much, I do like the s pen (I have it on the phone and it's even better on a larger screen) and, like I said, on paper it has very good specs. I installed the Google now launcher and turned all transition animations to 0.5. It does move better, and the original browser is very smooth (much better then chrome). I'm starting to get the hang of it, but I still hate the user interface (I still think that it looks like gingerbread). Maybe with the updated TouchWiz from the pro series I will like it).
I didn't search on the forums and I'm sorry for being lazy, but does this device have the Knox trigger?

^^ this +1
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You're not going to get the S Pen experience anywhere else so I think the conversation is pretty much over on if it should be kept. She's keeping it. If you love her, you'll root it and customize the crap out of it to give her the experience you know she deserves. *cues Palladio suite*
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lvnatic said:
I like the build quality very much, I do like the s pen (I have it on the phone and it's even better on a larger screen) and, like I said, on paper it has very good specs. I installed the Google now launcher and turned all transition animations to 0.5. It does move better, and the original browser is very smooth (much better then chrome). I'm starting to get the hang of it, but I still hate the user interface (I still think that it looks like gingerbread). Maybe with the updated TouchWiz from the pro series I will like it).
I didn't search on the forums and I'm sorry for being lazy, but does this device have the Knox trigger?
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I think that every phone/tablet needs to have Nova Launcher installed. I understand some people like Apex or GO! but I recommend Nova. You can change the theme/icons all you want and its lag free in all of my experiences. Also you've already changes the transitions to .5 so that is really all you should need.
And Yes, all Samsung devices at this point will come with Knox i believe.

Funny enough I have Nova on my Note 3 but TouchWiz on this tablet. With the NC3 update it's as smooth as butter, the way it's supposed to be. As much as I like Nova, I don't like the app drawer on a screen this size, TouchWiz is way better looks wise and with the update as I said, performances are on par with each other.
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I'm loving this tablet so far, I use it for the university mostly and the battery lasts like 2 days with moderate/intense use.
I also use the spen a lot (wish I had a more realistic pen). it also doesn't lag and it is pretty fast.
The only thing i wish, is that it had more features like we see on phone or the phablet, for the price I paid for it.

lvnatic said:
Doesn't this tablet have the knox trigger which voids warranty? I usually don't mess up with someone else's devices, but especially in this case when it's about my girlfriend.
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it does trip knox and void the warranty. You can still disable some apps and use nova launcher to speed it up some.

Hi,I just got it and love it (have always been a fan of the note phone series,but its a whole new experience on a tablet!!!) So just a question, can I install the NC3 firmware from the Hongkong model? Will it void Knox(i dont rly care, rooting it in a week anyways) and will change the apps n stuff? (like my HOX singapore rom has a whole lot of useless preinstalled crap).
BTW I got it from US(Newegg.com), and I didnt get any extra tips!! Any idea where I could buy some? Either in India or US?

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what's with that ugly white in the settings and notification.
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The white in the notification bar and settings are the new Google standard. Apparently the guys that designed the blue Halo settings at Google were locked in a cubicle and never went outside during daylight. Because if they'd gone outside, even only once, in bright sunlight they'd have noticed that the blue was not even close to readable. At all. People who are frequently outside, as many of us are, had to make a hood out of our jacket to actually read stuff on that crappy interface. We looked like old time photographers with a hood over our heads.
The white interface makes our phones usable outside again. That guy that approved the blue Halo interface should be sentenced to sit in the bleachers of his kid's softball game for 30 straight days as punishment. Instead, he'll probably approve something else in the future that will be unusable outside.

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Hi,I just got it and love it (have always been a fan of the note phone series,but its a whole new experience on a tablet!!!) So just a question, can I install the NC3 firmware from the Hongkong model? Will it void Knox(i dont rly care, rooting it in a week anyways) and will change the apps n stuff? (like my HOX singapore rom has a whole lot of useless preinstalled crap).
BTW I got it from US(Newegg.com), and I didnt get any extra tips!! Any idea where I could buy some? Either in India or US?
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Mine is from USA and I installed the NC3 with no issue. I didn't even need to wipe or reinstall anything. You're installing via Odin so I don't think it will trip your Knox though if you plan to root I don't see how that's an issue. I haven't heard of any instance where Samsung failed to take back or repair a device due to Knox being tripped either (so many of the refurbs on sale recently have come with Knox tripped) so it really isn't an issue. Re the tips, mine didn't come with any either, bought off Amazon but I have some from my Note 3. I've been using the S Pen ALOT and have not had reason to change the tip yet on either the Note 3 or this tablet so I wouldn't worry about the tips right now if I were you.
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toyanucci said:
Mine is from USA and I installed the NC3 with no issue. I didn't even need to wipe or reinstall anything. You're installing via Odin so I don't think it will trip your Knox though if you plan to root I don't see how that's an issue. I haven't heard of any instance where Samsung failed to take back or repair a device due to Knox being tripped either (so many of the refurbs on sale recently have come with Knox tripped) so it really isn't an issue. Re the tips, mine didn't come with any either, bought off Amazon but I have some from my Note 3. I've been using the S Pen ALOT and have not had reason to change the tip yet on either the Note 3 or this tablet so I wouldn't worry about the tips right now if I were you.
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Awesome! thanks! mine is a refurb too but with knox intact.

toyanucci said:
Mine is from USA and I installed the NC3 with no issue. I didn't even need to wipe or reinstall anything. You're installing via Odin so I don't think it will trip your Knox though if you plan to root I don't see how that's an issue. I haven't heard of any instance where Samsung failed to take back or repair a device due to Knox being tripped either (so many of the refurbs on sale recently have come with Knox tripped) so it really isn't an issue. Re the tips, mine didn't come with any either, bought off Amazon but I have some from my Note 3. I've been using the S Pen ALOT and have not had reason to change the tip yet on either the Note 3 or this tablet so I wouldn't worry about the tips right now if I were you.
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thanks for the help dude. I installed NC3, there is a noticeable improvement over MK1. However I believe I lost some of the MK1 apps. WatchON is gone,replaced by something called Peel. Some other apps are gone too, I think. Are you able to redeem your Samsung hub 50$? I have the code but unable to redeem in India.I am arriving in US in 5th July.Is the 90 day usage limit valid on the from the date u get u get the code or from when u redeem it?

Anyone else concerned about lag (touch wiz)?

Phone Arena's head to head comparison show that the iPhone and G3 launch apps faster. I can't believe Samsung puts in the best phone processor, but had no care for the end user of a fluid experience, and appears to have put in zero work in making touch wiz faster. Any thoughts?

If that's the case, then I'm sticking to my m8. I couldn't stand that on the note 3.
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I was running some tests on a HP Gen8 server sometime back, it was taking time and sort of freezing a few times.
It had 512GB of RAM, quite a few Xeon processors and tons of other stuffs. It was still "lagging" in many tests.
Do you think I should take this server out and put Moto X, as apparently it doesn't lag.
Samsung phones do a lot more than any other phone. There are many options that you can use in Samsung phone that you won't ever find it a simple phone. And hence there is a tradeoff. It's the law of nature. The very idea of getting a Samsung phone is that you are not getting a normal bare-bone stock device. It's has bells and whistles. It your objective is to have a phone with bare minimum features, get some other phone.
If you get a Samsung phone you might see delay of 0.5 sec for some basic thing, not that I ever care about them. Not it's for your to decide whether you are interested in that half-second of time or do you think those added functionality is more important to you. Just a simple trick like slide to call/SMS is such amazing in a Samsung device.

i cant stand my G3. note 3 didnt lag as much as this pos

Meh, it's a demo model, we don't know which processor it had in it, and it's running a pre-production unit of the new touch wiz. That, and half those tests were bunk, email on the G3 had 2 emails, the note 4 had about 100, same with Gallery. I'll wait for a real comparison before I even look at these speed tests.

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i cant stand my G3. note 3 didnt lag as much as this pos
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I agree with that. My G3 definitely has more lag than the Note 3 I had before it.
Some people say the G3 has less lag when you use the ART runtime, but I have a few apps that are not ART compatible so can't test that.
I doubt the Note 4 will be worse than the G3 in terms of lag. I'll test out when the Note is in stores. If it IS slower then I just won't buy it. Simple.

JasonJoel said:
I agree with that. My G3 definitely has more lag than the Note 3 I had before it.
Some people say the G3 has less lag when you use the ART runtime, but I have a few apps that are not ART compatible so can't test that.
I doubt the Note 4 will be worse than the G3 in terms of lag. I'll test out when the Note is in stores. If it IS slower then I just won't buy it. Simple.
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i tried art but i have xposed so you cant use it lol and if the note 4 is worse then G3 i will deal with the tiny m8 then. im sick of this. may go back to note 3 lol

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i tried art but i have xposed so you cant use it lol and if the note 4 is worse then G3 i will deal with the tiny m8 then. im sick of this. may go back to note 3 lol
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I seriously wish I would have kept my One M8 instead of going to the G3.
But I get 'new, shiny syndrome' sometimes. Lol
On the other hand I'm displeased enough with the G3 that I doubt I'll regret getting rid of it.
Ready for the Note 4 to hit stores...

JasonJoel said:
I seriously wish I would have kept my One M8 instead of going to the G3.
But I get 'new, shiny syndrome' sometimes. Lol
On the other hand I'm displeased enough with the G3 that I doubt I'll regret getting rid of it.
Ready for the Note 4 to hit stores...
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me too cant wait for note 4!!

I wish I could have waited for a note4 but my upgrade was burning a hole in my pocket and I picked up the GS5 in April. I love this phone but I want the big screen. I would gladly trade my Sprint GS5 and a Sprint GS3 for this bad boy.

Samsung finally learned to lighten up TouchWiz a bit.
My S5 is completely lag-less. At least as good as the Nexus 4 or S4 mini with CM11, i had before.
Note 4 has a higher resolution but also more power.
(Only 'lag' may be the Home button, because its waiting for a second press (S Voice) - but you can disable that.)

kwyjibo83 said:
Samsung finally learned to lighten up TouchWiz a bit.
My S5 is completely lag-less. At least as good as the Nexus 4 or S4 mini with CM11, i had before.
Note 4 has a higher resolution but also more power.
(Only 'lag' may be the Home button, because its waiting for a second press (S Voice) - but you can disable that.)
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i think you are the first person to like the S5 lol

No - for obvious reasons.

oneandroidnut said:
i think you are the first person to like the S5 lol
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Hehe
What i 'dislike' most is the camera. Everything else is great.
The camera is not bad (and still one of the best) but its not as superior as Samsung made me / us believe.

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I was running some tests on a HP Gen8 server sometime back, it was taking time and sort of freezing a few times.
It had 512GB of RAM, quite a few Xeon processors and tons of other stuffs. It was still "lagging" in many tests.
Do you think I should take this server out and put Moto X, as apparently it doesn't lag.
Samsung phones do a lot more than any other phone. There are many options that you can use in Samsung phone that you won't ever find it a simple phone. And hence there is a tradeoff. It's the law of nature. The very idea of getting a Samsung phone is that you are not getting a normal bare-bone stock device. It's has bells and whistles. It your objective is to have a phone with bare minimum features, get some other phone.
If you get a Samsung phone you might see delay of 0.5 sec for some basic thing, not that I ever care about them. Not it's for your to decide whether you are interested in that half-second of time or do you think those added functionality is more important to you. Just a simple trick like slide to call/SMS is such amazing in a Samsung device.
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Very good explanation clarion I agree we've got a lot of users crying for that few lags on TouchWiz but nobody understands that this is not a work stopper if it is for you why is xda community building rom get your device rooted and start flashing aosp or any other tweaked tw rom
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aukhan said:
Very good explanation clarion I agree we've got a lot of users crying for that few lags on TouchWiz but nobody understands that this is not a work stopper if it is for you why is xda community building rom get your device rooted and start flashing aosp or any other tweaked tw rom
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I have a note 2 on Verizon. I think that as an expensive premium device, even for all these "extra features" like you guys say, there is NO EXCUSE for lag! It has the absolute latest phone processor in it, and they even developed their own. What's the point if everything lags and is slow anyway?

My HTC One Max is just as fast as the M8 and MUCH faster than note 3 with metal all around not just on sides and BoomSound speakers are as good as the ones on M8 not single tiny speaker on the back like Note 4.
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adampa1006 said:
I have a note 2 on Verizon. I think that as an expensive premium device, even for all these "extra features" like you guys say, there is NO EXCUSE for lag! It has the absolute latest phone processor in it, and they even developed their own. What's the point if everything lags and is slow anyway?
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I am sure you go to every thread in this community and you will find at least 1thread discussing about slow sluggish and lags.
Our human tendency is we want note never satisfied with what we've already got
Emotion Revolution coming soon on Note 4 (Aosp,Miui,Touchwiz, &Nadia kernel) I am ready to note!! Are you ???

Well I rooted my Note 3 and installed some apps like Seeder, Lag Fix and an app which auto restarts my phone once a day, closing all background apps. It has pretty much eliminated all the lag except the Gallery. For that I installed Nexus Gallery from the store. Still I may think twice before upgrading to another Samsung device.

It is being reported by users, that the TMo OTA update that is being pushed out today solves the recent apps button lag. Nice to see Samsung react to an issue and push out an update.
Now I just get to wait for AT&T to release the update and all will be good.