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How can they do this in a time when most phones still come out with 1.x?
http://bit.ly/9ArPbS ' download google earth
can anybody look into this and either build a wrapper for the new libraries so that this app can also run on 1.6 or just rebuild the app?
its the second time after google buzz I ultimately wish google to be seen on google moon only. better: google sky maps
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go look into this please
well, that sucks : (
just to add a note i cant get it to open or run on v2.1 of Cannon's build... not sure whats up? its 2.1 firmware, im guessing its 3D graphic 'something' not running or working correctly
will this work on "[ROM] KiNgxKxlicK AOSP 2.1 [v1.6.1]" ?
I believe it runs on the 3d acceleration drivers which all the 2.1 builds for 32A & 32B phone don't have yet. Tmobile should be getting an update to 2.1 hopefully within 2 months. maybe once HTC releases the driver then all 2.XX roms will work better with the graphics.
Anku13 said:
will this work on "[ROM] KiNgxKxlicK AOSP 2.1 [v1.6.1]" ?
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Give it a try and let us know.
*sigh* Why won't HTC open source the drivers?
Z҉A҉L҉G҉O̚̕̚ said:
*sigh* Why won't HTC open source the drivers?
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because HTC probably doesn't make them...it's the hardware manufacturer that does..
boostnek9 said:
because HTC probably doesn't make them...it's the hardware manufacturer that does..
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That does seem logical.
This -DOES NOT- work on any 32A/B Android 2.1 builds. Sorry =/
domenukk said:
How can they do this in a time when most phones still come out with 1.x?
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Ah in short its marketing. By springs end 1.anything will be dead and everything even G1s will be on a 2.something. Add to that the forward creep of you/us feeling our phones are obsolete and buying a new one and there you have it.
Like em or not, apple google all of em are publicly traded companies all about the $$$$ wrapped up in fun/friendly packaging.
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because HTC probably doesn't make them...it's the hardware manufacturer that does..
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Umm... HTC is the hardware manufacturer, and they do make them. The reasons HTC dones't release drivers as open source are known only to them. We can only guess, but here are some good ones:
They don't have to. The hardware drivers, unlike the kernel and Android OS itself, do not fall under Apache license, and aren't required to be distributed as open source.
They don't want to. HTC builds handsets for other companies as well, and I'm sure want to protect their trade secrets. Open-source drivers can allow others to reverse-engineer the inner workings of the hardware, and possibly bypass HTC altogether.
No workie on xROM.
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Umm...
[*]They don't have to. The hardware drivers, unlike the kernel and Android OS itself, do not fall under Apache license, and aren't required to be distributed as open source.
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You've got your licenses confused.
The APACHE LICENSE *does* allow things to be closed up.
It is the GPL that demands source be made available.
The KERNEL (and by extension, kernel level hardware drivers) is under GPL. Note that not all drivers need be kernel mods.
The majority of Android is under APACHE LICENSE, and can, therefore, be distributed as CLOSED BINARY without any obligation to provide source.
lbcoder said:
The majority of Android is under APACHE LICENSE, and can, therefore, be distributed as CLOSED BINARY without any obligation to provide source.
The KERNEL (and by extension, kernel level hardware drivers) is under GPL.
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I stand corrected.
Regardless of this fact though, they have not yet released Eclair compatible video drivers for Dream/Magic - closed sourced or otherwise. Hence the problem for all current G1/MT3G Eclair ports, and any apps that require 3D acceleration.
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they have not yet released Eclair compatible video drivers for Dream/Magic - closed sourced or otherwise.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637350
Interesting, in the least....
Anyone know if google will release google earth for G1 or should we just forget it?
lagoausente said:
Anyone know if google will release google earth for G1 or should we just forget it?
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If by that you mean "for android 1.6", the answer is "its anyone's guess".
More simply though, they already have released a version compatible with 2.1, so as long as you are able to run android 2.1 on your ***DREAM*** (that is what the device actually is...), then at worst, you need to trick a few checks in your build.prop to allow it.
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If by that you mean "for android 1.6", the answer is "its anyone's guess".
More simply though, they already have released a version compatible with 2.1, so as long as you are able to run android 2.1 on your ***DREAM*** (that is what the device actually is...), then at worst, you need to trick a few checks in your build.prop to allow it.
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My searching gived me no one could run it yet, I'm wrong?
lagoausente said:
My searching gived me no one could run it yet, I'm wrong?
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You obviously didn't read enough....
OPENGL DRIVERS!!!!
There won't be ports to say, the Motorola Xoom or the HP TouchPad. Let me explain:
1. In it's current state, Windows 8 doesn't support ARM architecture, although it will later, so I suppose this is only a semi-valid point.
2. and 3. Windows 8 isn't open source, so any ports would be illegal and without source, it's basically impossible.
Please don't fill this subsection with questions concerning if it'll ever come to your tablet/phone/etc., because it won't.
your right,I almost forgot about legal stuff! +1 for pointing this out!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon
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i guess we can be confident that 1. will happen
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There won't be ports to say, the Motorola Xoom or the HP TouchPad. Let me explain:
1. In it's current state, Windows 8 doesn't support ARM architecture, although it will later, so I suppose this is only a semi-valid point.
2. and 3. Windows 8 isn't open source, so any ports would be illegal and without source, it's basically impossible.
Please don't fill this subsection with questions concerning if it'll ever come to your tablet/phone/etc., because it won't.
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Microsoft does have Windows 8 running on ARM, the only thing they haven't done is release a dev build. We'll either get it at a later date or we'll have to wait for the beta.
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There won't be ports to say, the Motorola Xoom or the HP TouchPad. Let me explain:
1. In it's current state, Windows 8 doesn't support ARM architecture, although it will later, so I suppose this is only a semi-valid point.
2. and 3. Windows 8 isn't open source, so any ports would be illegal and without source, it's basically impossible.
Please don't fill this subsection with questions concerning if it'll ever come to your tablet/phone/etc., because it won't.
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Not being open source didn't stop the HTC HD2 from recieving Windows Phone 7
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Not being open source didn't stop the HTC HD2 from recieving Windows Phone 7
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Mobile OSes are less work than a full fledged operating system, plus, you need to consider legality.
Nitro_123 said:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon
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i guess we can be confident that 1. will happen
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While it will support ARM, I'd say it's doubtful that it would be released on a disk that you could just load onto your existing device, it will probably only come preloaded on devices by OEMs.
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Not being open source didn't stop the HTC HD2 from recieving Windows Phone 7
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Traditionally MS haven't been worried about piracy of their mobile OS's. Their mobile OS efforts have mainly been about keeping people in the Windows eco-system, and to a much lesser degree selling licenses for CE to OEMs making embedded devices. In most cases of mobile OS roms being posted, they've just been updated/enhanced roms for existing Windows mobile devices and so haven't really cost sales and have possibly enhanced the ecosystem.
They're generally much much more concerned about piracy of their main OS. It remains to be seen how they will react to people trying port the ARM version of Windows 8, but they could easily react as strongly as they would for a normal x86 windows.
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That's never stopped developers from porting anything before...
I think at this point the largest hurdle is getting a build from an ARM dump. And drivers...can't forget about drivers.
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Why would the legality be an issue? As long as you have a valid licence and key, when it officially becomes for sale, wouldn't it be ok?
dhiral.v said:
Why would the legality be an issue? As long as you have a valid licence and key, when it officially becomes for sale, wouldn't it be ok?
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It most likely won't.
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It most likely won't.
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Why not?
If you've paid for the license, I am free to put it on which ever device I own be it my laptop, desktop or tablet.
dhiral.v said:
Why not?
If you've paid for the license, I am free to put it on which ever device I own be it my laptop, desktop or tablet.
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I mean the arm copy...it'll most likely never be sold as a seperate product. Just built in
1. WinMo wasn’t open source either. Unlike WinMo, Windows licenses can be purchased.
2. Considering the fact that Intel and Google are now working together, the likelihood of cross compatible hardware specs are high for both Arm and Intel chips
3. This OS if it stays in close to current form will be a sort of hybrid of mobile/desktop OS. The mobile side will create a need for sideloaded apps, tweaks, reg hacks etc.
4. It is almost certain that Windows Phone will converge with this os down the line and I would argue that this forum has potential to be the most used forum of the site so the earlier the devs get started the better!
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4. It is almost certain that Windows Phone will converge with this os down the line and I would argue that this forum has potential to be the most used forum of the site so the earlier the devs get started the better!
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This porting work will indeed happen. Just not on this forum aparently/unfortunately. Discussions about illegal software is a far cry from hosting illegal software. Developers often experiment with breaking laws for learning about a system. exe - tutorials about changing esn # with specific notes that you should not do it. It's just an experiment.
My question is it against the rules to discuss or link to other sites that house these ports? It used to be at least overlooked. See example below and there are countless others in the older stuff.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362344&page=3
In the past XDA was much more loose about this type of stuff and was my first place to look for the dream goal of putting a desktop class OS on a PDA.
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It most likely won't.
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But do you honestly think anyone will care much about it?
Take Mac OS X for instance. It clearly states in the EULA that installing the software on unapproved/non-Mac hardware are illegal, and yet there are tons of people with dedicated forums hacking away at it to make it run on various PC hardwares, and still ongoing for years.
eXecuter.bin said:
But do you honestly think anyone will care much about it?
Take Mac OS X for instance. It clearly states in the EULA that installing the software on unapproved/non-Mac hardware are illegal, and yet there are tons of people with dedicated forums hacking away at it to make it run on various PC hardwares, and still ongoing for years.
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Good point...people will try. But the bootloaders are most likely different. Maybe devices with hacked bootloaders (captivate) would be possible.
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You are 100% right NikolaiT...
If you own a valid license it can't be illegal anyways be it ARM version or not.
We'll see how microsoft releases the product and how many different versions there are in what form.
Indeed, i think we need to leave the legalities aside, and use the assumption of....
You have your Legal and valid licence key, this is how you can get it working on x y and Z
Of course, if it is only Sold as OEM then legally you dont have leg to stand on, OEM copies are for the sole use on the hardware in which is was purchased with, i think the licence says it allows a number of hardware upgrades but you are not intitled to rip it off one PC and dump it on another one. (assuming its the same as a Win 7 Licence), yes people do do it, but that doesnt make it legal or condonable, so if thats the case the XDA couldnt allow anything to do with it
But lets say it can be brought as a retail package, then there is nothing to stop us from attempting to install it on anything we like, infact it may even be easier than we think given that MS usually gives a shed load of drivers, the tricky bit will be getting the bootloaders to allow it.
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But do you honestly think anyone will care much about it?
Take Mac OS X for instance. It clearly states in the EULA that installing the software on unapproved/non-Mac hardware are illegal, and yet there are tons of people with dedicated forums hacking away at it to make it run on various PC hardwares, and still ongoing for years.
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Forbidden, not illegal. The EULA doesn't really have any legal basis whatsoever. Apple can deny you support on your product if you break the EULA though.
I don't mean like use an aplicacion like VNC or Teamviewer. I mean like literally running it, maybe Windows 8 mobile. Is it posible? I mean, we have the hardware for it.
I don't really know much besides C, C++, and some other pages codes. Never actually worked with ports and stuff but I know it's just a lot of commands, some code language and editing some files. But so again, is it possible?
Has anyone tried it?
I think it is utterly impossible to run and no one has tried I think as far as I no ......
CHEERS
The tab has the hardware to run WinRT but Microsoft doesn't sell WinRT to you, OEM only. So, porting it is highly illegal (pirating the OS).
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The tab has the hardware to run WinRT but Microsoft doesn't sell WinRT to you, OEM only. So, porting it is highly illegal (pirating the OS).
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Yeah. It's a bit stupid though, because if MS only gets money from licensing WP8 & WinRT then I'm sure many consumers would gladly pay for a license. I should would love to put W8 in my Tab & try out WP8 on my android phone.
As far as I am aware, MS only charges OEMs like $15 per product,
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Yeah. It's a bit stupid though, because if MS only gets money from licensing WP8 & WinRT then I'm sure many consumers would gladly pay for a license. I should would love to put W8 in my Tab & try out WP8 on my android phone.
As far as I am aware, MS only charges OEMs like $15 per product,
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Part of the reason is probably you can't simply install WinRT to a tab. You need to build the ROM for it just like all the Android tabs. The other reason is to avoid the problem Google has it today, some shady Chinese maker slap tablet OS to a VGA screen and barely working resistence touch screen and call it new Tablet for $99. Google can't do anything about it (other than restrict Play Store access) but MS can certainly do it via licensing requirements.
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Part of the reason is probably you can't simply install WinRT to a tab. You need to build the ROM for it just like all the Android tabs. The other reason is to avoid the problem Google has it today, some shady Chinese maker slap tablet OS to a VGA screen and barely working resistence touch screen and call it new Tablet for $99. Google can't do anything about it (other than restrict Play Store access) but MS can certainly do it via licensing requirements.
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I know what you mean, but should Microsoft really care as long as they're getting their licensing money? (ignoring the fact that most Chinese home pcs are illegal ms copies!) but ms licensing requirements are a pretty neat idea. It's cool how all wp's gave the same capacitive button layout & timely updates.
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I know what you mean, but should Microsoft really care as long as they're getting their licensing money? (ignoring the fact that most Chinese home pcs are illegal ms copies!) but ms licensing requirements are a pretty neat idea. It's cool how all wp's gave the same capacitive button layout & timely updates.
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Of course they care. It is called product image and marketing. You can't afford to let a few bad apples ruine it for you. Those who bought the $99 tab in Christmas season will probably never buy another Android tab and send their money to Apple instead. So in the end, it is Google who suffered. Same will be true for Microsoft. Hence why they introduced Surface tablets to show consumers what they'd expect from a WinRT tablet. No wonder Acer is not too happy about it because they are planing some really cheap worthless WinRT tablets.
If MS can't get positive reactions from consumers for its WinRT tablets, they will not be able to march into the market where Apple iPads dominate today. That means no market share, no sales and no license income.
BTW: Even if you'd be able to run WinRT, all windows (x86/X64) apps woundn't run more on it.
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BTW: Even if you'd be able to run WinRT, all windows (x86/X64) apps woundn't run more on it.
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You won't get good UX with those classic Windows apps any way because they are designed for mouse and keyboard, not touch. The only exception is the new Office 2013 which you will get a copy included in WinRT tablet.
Please note that windows apps compiled with .NET Framework can potentially work with WinRT if it doesn't require native code. Existing apps need to be re-compiled to ARM instruction set in order to run on WinRT desktop mode.
Better to ask can you run Android apps on Windows 8...
Check out Microsoft Surface..new line of tablets.
Sweet..
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I think it's not possible.
It was advertised to monitor blood glucose, and after buying a galaxy s4 there is clearly no way of logging glucose readings or connecting a blood monitor. I even called samsung mobile support and they confirmed that it supports glucose logging but they have absolutley no idea how to access the function. It seems to me that they have advertised this feature but have not built it into s health. Thoughts on this? :banghead:
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maybe you need one of the accessories?
Open S Health, go to settings, then "add more features". There it states blood glucose as an accessory related feature.
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I even called samsung mobile support and they confirmed that it supports glucose logging but they have absolutley no idea how to access the function. It seems to me that they have advertised this feature but have not built it into s health. Thoughts on this?
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OMG, what a support! You are right: You need an additional hardware accessoire or (maybe, let's hope) their software will support it, but:
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Open S Health, go to settings, then "add more features". There it states blood glucose as an accessory related feature.
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This feature / software needs to be downloaded separately and it isn't available yet! Even if you'd get your hands on a suitable Samsung or 3rd party hardware, you may still have to wait on that in the worst case!
From a practical standpoint: I am pretty sure that Samsung will offer the above glucose and blood pressure software once their hardware is available worldwide. But they'd shoot themselves in the foot if they'd offered it now and people would buy competitor products, so that is why they are waiting to do so!
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OMG, what a support! You are right: You need an additional hardware accessoire or (maybe, let's hope) their software will support it, but:
This feature / software needs to be downloaded separately and it isn't available yet! Even if you'd get your hands on a suitable Samsung or 3rd party hardware, you may still have to wait on that in the worst case!
From a practical standpoint: I am pretty sure that Samsung will offer the above glucose and blood pressure software once their hardware is available worldwide. But they'd shoot themselves in the foot if they'd offered it now and people would buy competitor products, so that is why they are waiting to do so!
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You make a good point, I suppose I'll just be checking sammy's website until something is released. I might try getting 3rd party cables to try and connect them, I'll let you guys know how it goes.
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... I might try getting 3rd party cables to try and connect them, I'll let you guys know how it goes.
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Which kind of cables connected to what?
In principle you can also use totally different apps, i.e. I am sure there are already blood glucose and blood pressure items out there.
(That have their own Android app...)
And I'll definitely consider those, after Samsung published their devices in my country, because I don't plan to pay more just because it says "Samsung" or integrates with S-Health.
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Hi.
I'd like to experiment with a new feature provided by Nokia's "Black update", BT 4.0 with new protocol for "Low Energy" devices (BLE).
Could somebody recommend me some cheap device with open/known protocol, to play with?
Also, if you have knowledge (somehow; I know, there is NO info at all but ) about new API/protocols (even it's not documented or available yet), could you please share?
Thanks!
If you can find a used FitBit, that would be a good start. I think I saw some third party apps in the store already.
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I think I saw some third party apps in the store already.
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BLE support is available for the handsets with Nokia's Black update only; I don't think there are some apps in the store 'cause Nokia just started distribution of the Black update. Or supported Fitbits are using their custom API and standard BT...
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Hi.
I'd like to experiment with a new feature provided by Nokia's "Black update", BT 4.0 with new protocol for "Low Energy" devices (BLE).
Could somebody recommend me some cheap device with open/known protocol, to play with?
Also, if you have knowledge (somehow; I know, there is NO info at all but ) about new API/protocols (even it's not documented or available yet), could you please share?
Thanks!
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Pebble watch has two apps in store now and has bt le support. I picked one up for $100, they are cheap now that the steel has been announced.
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Pebble watch has two apps in store now and has bt le support. I picked one up for $100, they are cheap now that the steel has been announced.
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Hmm, I'm very confused... It sounds like current WP8 already supports BLE, right? However why Nokia said it's a "Black update" only feature?
Is anybody knows the answer?
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Hmm, I'm very confused... It sounds like current WP8 already supports BLE, right? However why Nokia said it's a "Black update" only feature?
Is anybody knows the answer?
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It was a Software limitation from the OS. Now with Nokia Black you also are getting the GDR3 Update. And not the Nokia Black update give you BLE, its the GDR3
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It was a Software limitation from the OS. Now with Nokia Black you also are getting the GDR3 Update. And not the Nokia Black update give you BLE, its the GDR3
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Thanks for explanation! By the way, Android introduced a new API functionality to work with BLE; do you know, what about WP8+GDR3? Should/can I still use an "old way" (PeerFinder + StreamSocket) or there are some new APIs for BLE?