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I know this might be a touchy topic to start, but I was seriously considering the Milestone 2 before the G-2 was announced. And when I heard that the G2 wasn't even 1GHz, I was pretty set on the Milestone 2. Then the benchmarks came out: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/09/graphics-benchmark-for-g2-shows-it-should-be-blazin/
so now I am super confused.
Milestone 2 - Pros:
1GHz processor (if the Milestone can be OCed to 1GHz, who know what the Milestone2 could be OCed to?!)
Umm....that's all I think
Milestone 2 - Cons:
Locked bootloader (what does this mean exactly? no custom ROMs?)
MotoBLOATware (means slower Android updates)
Same camera as Milestone 1 (seriously...)
Motorola
G-2 - Pros:
HTC
Stock Android
Faster Android updates
Supposed to be good for Android Gingerbread as well
No locked bootloader (more custom ROMs?)
Not Motorola
G-2 - Cons:
800MHz Processor
Didn't perform as well as Droid 2 in stock benchmark tests
Less internal memory (4Gb vs 8Gb) - not a big deal I guess
Hinge design probably means it's easier to break
Does anybody think that the development for the G-2 would be larger than the Milestone 2? Because that would be a huge Pro for the G-2. The G-1 development has lasted for years, and the user base is huge...so I am just going to assume that it would be similar for the G-2.
I'm not going to mention aethetics, because this is very subjective so no point arguing on that front.
So here's my question: Which one should I get?!
Hmm, tough one really.
HTC Camera's are not much better than the ones motorola sticks in them to be honest! The droid has crapware on it and the HTC comes with stock sense.
It seems the processor performance is near identical, in real world application use atleast so thats a non-issue i.e. when one beomces outdated, so will the other.
In terms of mod community, the HTC phone is likely to get much more support on this website, simply because the majority of people here are HTC users or past HTC users.
The Milestone seems a bit more manly, rough and the HTC looks more refined IMHO.
Personally, I'd go the G2 if I wanted as much modding as possible. HTC has a much more open policy on the topic and no locked bootloaders (efuse etc).
At the end of the day, its your decision
Have a play with both phones and pick the one you feel looks better. A good question to ask is:
I know they both look nice now, but which one will look worse for wear (paint peeling, scratching etc)
yeah, I was leaning a little more towards the G-2 due to the massive potential of modding/custom ROMs available. And i'm also quite sure that the G-2 will become the new platform for development, much like the G-1 was.
The 800MHz still bugs me though...considering that Qualcomm has new chipsets that are supposed to be able to go up to 1.2/3GHz whilst also running a GPU chip. I wouldn't wait until dual-cores because apparently that won't happen until next year (probably late next year).
HTC are supposed to be doing a pretty major announcement in London on the 15th September (so we'll hear about it on the 16th)...so hopefully that might shed some light on it. Of course, if the G-2 is the only QWERTY option, then that would probably limit our choices.
...if only they had made that a 1GHz processor...
I wouldnt rate the 1ghz feature that highly. Perhaps 800 mhz is an underclock to enhance battery life. After all, the benchmarks say performance is on par with the top phones.
99.9999% guaranteed that you'll be able to overclock the G2 to at least 1ghz
IMO the onlything that the M2 has over the G2 is how far u can OC the processor. those A8's can go far.
I dunno. clock speed is overrated. you don't know what performs better in the real world until you see some benchmarks.
That's true. Apperantly I read that a 800mhz Droid 1 performs on par with a n1. The a8 can be oc to all hell.
I definately am a fan of TI chips. They are mighty strong and it always seemed that they always had a leg up on qualcomm. I hope qualcomm stomps everyone with some massive processor that'll make the hummingbird cry
The g2 is under-clocked according to the press release.
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The g2 is under-clocked according to the press release.
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I heard. At the end of the day a underclocked processor that runs as fast as a snapdragon and wastes less power is a win in my book!
I have read that the ARM procs are better with GPUs and for overclocking - just look at the Milestone 1. The Droid 2 was still benchmarked as the best (but only just over the G-2) and it's potential for OCing was what swayed me that way.
But now that these new Qualcomm chipsets have a separate GPU that seem to be able to compete with the best in benchmarking - it's hard to say.
If the G-2 can be OCed, then that would be awesome...but then, the Milestone 2 is also about 99% sure to be OCed...as I'm sure previous Milestone 1 owners will be screaming for it as soon as they get their hands on the new one.
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I have read that the ARM procs are better with GPUs and for overclocking - just look at the Milestone 1. The Droid 2 was still benchmarked as the best (but only just over the G-2) and it's potential for OCing was what swayed me that way.
But now that these new Qualcomm chipsets have a separate GPU that seem to be able to compete with the best in benchmarking - it's hard to say.
If the G-2 can be OCed, then that would be awesome...but then, the Milestone 2 is also about 99% sure to be OCed...as I'm sure previous Milestone 1 owners will be screaming for it as soon as they get their hands on the new one.
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Im confused. I thought the nexus had a seperate gpu?
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Im confused. I thought the nexus had a seperate gpu?
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as far as I know, it does, but either the GPU isn't fully utilized in the use of Android or it's just a underpowered - just see the benchmarking results on the previous page that I posted, the Milestone 2 and G-2 smoke the N1 (which is expected, since the N1 is much older)
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I know this might be a touchy topic to start, but I was seriously considering the Milestone 2 before the G-2 was announced. And when I heard that the G2 wasn't even 1GHz, I was pretty set on the Milestone 2. Then the benchmarks came out: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/09/graphics-benchmark-for-g2-shows-it-should-be-blazin/
so now I am super confused.
Milestone 2 - Pros:
1GHz processor (if the Milestone can be OCed to 1GHz, who know what the Milestone2 could be OCed to?!)
Umm....that's all I think
Milestone 2 - Cons:
Locked bootloader (what does this mean exactly? no custom ROMs?)
MotoBLOATware (means slower Android updates)
Same camera as Milestone 1 (seriously...)
Motorola
G-2 - Pros:
HTC
Stock Android
Faster Android updates
Supposed to be good for Android Gingerbread as well
No locked bootloader (more custom ROMs?)
Not Motorola
G-2 - Cons:
800MHz Processor
Didn't perform as well as Droid 2 in stock benchmark tests
Less internal memory (4Gb vs 8Gb) - not a big deal I guess
Hinge design probably means it's easier to break
Does anybody think that the development for the G-2 would be larger than the Milestone 2? Because that would be a huge Pro for the G-2. The G-1 development has lasted for years, and the user base is huge...so I am just going to assume that it would be similar for the G-2.
I'm not going to mention aethetics, because this is very subjective so no point arguing on that front.
So here's my question: Which one should I get?!
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Well If I made the list I would make it more like this:
Droid 2
Pro's:
-More high res screen (854*480 vs 800*480, both on a 3.7" screen)
-8 Gigs internal storage (4 gb more than G2)
-1 Ghz TI 45nm processor (likely to overclock fairly well)
-1 oz lighter
Con's:
-MotoCRAP software (look at the scrolling on any phone with blur from the cliq to droid x and tell me it doesn't feel slow)
-keyboard lacking comparing it to the G2
-locked bootloader (harder to develop roms for, root still possible though)
-CDMA (yeah it sucks.... that's why noone outside the US uses it...)
G2
Pro's:
-Better screen (S-TFT lcd vs regular lcd on the droid/2; brighter, more contrast, better power consumption)
-720P camcoder at 30FPS
-Adreno205 GPU(4X better graphics than previous snapdragons)
-800 Mhz MSM7230 45nm (this shows it was designed to run at 1 Ghz, but underclocked to save battery. Similar to the MSM7201A on the G1, designed for 528 Mhz but only runs at 385 Mhz unmodified; should at least be overclockable to 1.13 or more)
-better keyboard (WWW.\.COM BUTTON? HELL YEAH!)
-HSPA+ (who doesn't want 14 MB/s DL?)
-GSM (gsm is always better....)
-likely to receive updates rapidly (no promises though, look at the 3 months it took motorola to update to 2.1 on their "google experience" device)
-New sturdy Z-hinge design
Con's:
-ummm.......
Yeah so what if the droid 2 gets an extra 3 frames (58 vs 61)... Your eye can only detect 50FPS unless you're a combat pilot or a sniper with trained eyesight. Besides that both phone's have pretty identical specs, including 512 mb ram, 2.2, 10 hrs talk time, etc. My vote is definately towards the g2, but don't get me wrong both are beasts of a phone. Also I wouldn't expect to see any dual core's until maybe next summer. Think about it: Qualcomm released the original snapdragon in Nov 2008, but it wasn't until Dec 2009 that a phone implemented it (LG Expo). The dual core qualcomm chips come out next month, so it should be 6 months-a year before they come out.
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Well If I made the list I would make it more like this:
Droid 2
Pro's:
-More high res screen (854*480 vs 800*480, both on a 3.7" screen)
-8 Gigs internal storage (4 gb more than G2)
-1 Ghz TI 45nm processor (likely to overclock fairly well)
-1 oz lighter
Con's:
-MotoCRAP software (look at the scrolling on any phone with blur from the cliq to droid x and tell me it doesn't feel slow)
-keyboard lacking comparing it to the G2
-locked bootloader (harder to develop roms for, root still possible though)
-CDMA (yeah it sucks.... that's why noone outside the US uses it...)
G2
Pro's:
-Better screen (S-TFT lcd vs regular lcd on the droid/2; brighter, more contrast, better power consumption)
-720P camcoder at 30FPS
-Adreno205 GPU(4X better graphics than previous snapdragons)
-800 Mhz MSM7230 45nm (this shows it was designed to run at 1 Ghz, but underclocked to save battery. Similar to the MSM7201A on the G1, designed for 528 Mhz but only runs at 385 Mhz unmodified; should at least be overclockable to 1.13 or more)
-better keyboard (WWW.\.COM BUTTON? HELL YEAH!)
-HSPA+ (who doesn't want 14 MB/s DL?)
-GSM (gsm is always better....)
-likely to receive updates rapidly (no promises though, look at the 3 months it took motorola to update to 2.1 on their "google experience" device)
-New sturdy Z-hinge design
Con's:
-ummm.......
Yeah so what if the droid 2 gets an extra 3 frames (58 vs 61)... Your eye can only detect 50FPS unless you're a combat pilot or a sniper with trained eyesight. Besides that both phone's have pretty identical specs, including 512 mb ram, 2.2, 10 hrs talk time, etc. My vote is definately towards the g2, but don't get me wrong both are beasts of a phone. Also I wouldn't expect to see any dual core's until maybe next summer. Think about it: Qualcomm released the original snapdragon in Nov 2008, but it wasn't until Dec 2009 that a phone implemented it (LG Expo). The dual core qualcomm chips come out next month, so it should be 6 months-a year before they come out.
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Well technically the Milestone 2 is a GSM device, not CDMA, but the other points are quite good.
However, don't forget that the Milestone 2 can also OC...so the two are comparable in that sense.
Didn't I read somewhere that Android doesn't yet support hardware acceleration for it's UI? Meaning that that spiffy new GPU will only get used in games/video, etc? I'm no expert on this - perhaps someone could chip in and explain...
I too am facing the same decision soon. I love my Desire, but I will never buy a keyboardless phone again, and will chop it in for one of these two as soon as I can.
I was leaning more towards the Milestone 2 as it looks badass in my opinion, and there is no major difference in the specs. That was til I read up about locked bootloaders, and the fact that Milestone 1 owners are still on Android 2.1 and Motorola just doesn't give a sh*t about the numerous bugs the phone has.
Just a quick search around forums/Facebook Motorola Europe page etc, shows how unhappy Milestone 1 owners are with Motorola. Page after page of people saying "I will NEVER buy Motorola again" and literally begging Motorola to unlock the bootloader before abandoning the phone (all met with a deafening silence from Motorola) does turn me off of the Milestone 2. Motorola won't fix the phone and won't give their customers the tools to fix it themselves, so as far as I'm concerned I'm not going to spend £400-500 to put myself in that same position with the Milestone 2.
On the HTC side of things, they do make attempts to stop people modding their phones, but have not yet gone as far as locking the bootloader, and every HTC phone has been compromised. I fully expect this to be the case with the G2/Desire Z (Desire Z - what a sh*t name!), and the phone WILL get a lot of dev support, no question.
Ultimately, I believe there is no choice for me: pain with Motorola, or fun with HTC/XDA devs!
I'm still not sure about the hinge action, nor do I like the looks of the G2 particularly, I think it's going to turn out to be a bit of a fat chunker! Still, I go for personality and functionality in my phone rather than looks, otherwise I'd have an iPhone! It's also a crying shame that HTC went with a 4 row rather than 5 row keyboard.... And one final request please HTC - make sure that screen is full multitouch please! Oh, and I have heard this bad-boy is going to have stock Android with HTC Sense widgets - that's all well and good, but what I'm interested in is the Sense Dialer. And the Sense browser text selection please - I want that available everywhere on the phone, please!
Uh oh - just read the G2 has just 1300maH battery.
HTC, what is this twattery? I don't want to go backwards with battery size! Yes I know, more efficient processor, blah blah, lower clock speed, yadda yadda - but I don't give a monkey's!
A smaller battery in a bigger handset than the original Desire is not good enough in my mind. The G2 is going to be a brick anyway - why not add 5mm to the length and give us an extra 200-300maH? Or perhaps if you'd used a more standard slider action then you could've fitted a beefier battery in there :-(
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Didn't I read somewhere that Android doesn't yet support hardware acceleration for it's UI? Meaning that that spiffy new GPU will only get used in games/video, etc? I'm no expert on this - perhaps someone could chip in and explain...
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It's true, but the next version Android Gingerbread adds it, which is where handsets with weaker gpus will begin to struggle. Running AOSP means that it will get updates at the same speed of the Nexus one.
However, the Clove spec for the Desire Z has it as a Sense device. This is backed up with the earlier screenshot of the Desire Z with the default sense wallpaper, and the name (why would they give it Desire branding if it didn't have Sense?). So there's a chance they'll put in the 8X55 which is the 1ghz of the same processor, but doesn't support HSPA+ (which isn't in the UK). So we'd gain 200mhz in return for Sense and an uglier handset colour scheme.
UK HTC event is tomorrow, so we should find out then.
Adreno205 GPU, 4X better graphics than previous snapdragons.
I think it's the only one that has hardware accelerated Adobe Flash support.
I remember seeing Milestone 2 and other android phones reviews, reviewers said phone would literally crawl when browsing flash enabled websites.
So maybe that feature will make a big difference?
I think I've decided: G2
setspeed said:
Didn't I read somewhere that Android doesn't yet support hardware acceleration for it's UI? Meaning that that spiffy new GPU will only get used in games/video, etc? I'm no expert on this - perhaps someone could chip in and explain...
I too am facing the same decision soon. I love my Desire, but I will never buy a keyboardless phone again, and will chop it in for one of these two as soon as I can.
I was leaning more towards the Milestone 2 as it looks badass in my opinion, and there is no major difference in the specs. That was til I read up about locked bootloaders, and the fact that Milestone 1 owners are still on Android 2.1 and Motorola just doesn't give a sh*t about the numerous bugs the phone has.
Just a quick search around forums/Facebook Motorola Europe page etc, shows how unhappy Milestone 1 owners are with Motorola. Page after page of people saying "I will NEVER buy Motorola again" and literally begging Motorola to unlock the bootloader before abandoning the phone (all met with a deafening silence from Motorola) does turn me off of the Milestone 2. Motorola won't fix the phone and won't give their customers the tools to fix it themselves, so as far as I'm concerned I'm not going to spend £400-500 to put myself in that same position with the Milestone 2.
On the HTC side of things, they do make attempts to stop people modding their phones, but have not yet gone as far as locking the bootloader, and every HTC phone has been compromised. I fully expect this to be the case with the G2/Desire Z (Desire Z - what a sh*t name!), and the phone WILL get a lot of dev support, no question.
Ultimately, I believe there is no choice for me: pain with Motorola, or fun with HTC/XDA devs!
I'm still not sure about the hinge action, nor do I like the looks of the G2 particularly, I think it's going to turn out to be a bit of a fat chunker! Still, I go for personality and functionality in my phone rather than looks, otherwise I'd have an iPhone! It's also a crying shame that HTC went with a 4 row rather than 5 row keyboard.... And one final request please HTC - make sure that screen is full multitouch please! Oh, and I have heard this bad-boy is going to have stock Android with HTC Sense widgets - that's all well and good, but what I'm interested in is the Sense Dialer. And the Sense browser text selection please - I want that available everywhere on the phone, please!
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waiting to see what new things HTC has "dreamt" up for their announcement of the 15th (in London)...but I don't expect things to be any different than what we know now.
yes, the battery is a crying shame, but tbh I charge my phone every night ever since I got my blackstone...and I also have a car charger...but it would still be nice to have a phone that would last more than 2 days.
I'm not sure I fully understand the bootloader stuff...I've seen youtube videos of people running something called a "Bugless Beast" ROM on an OCed Milestone 1....but I agree, Motorola are pretty bad with customer service and post-sales support. HTC, on the other hand, are pretty happy to turn a blind eye to the modding community - as all Android manufacturers should..since Android is technically an opensource platform.
Oh..also...I don't really care about the name Desire Z, lol.....just a name. They could call it "The Loser Phone" and I'd still probably get it
I going to buy one of these phones, just cant decide which one, please help me with my decision. just wonder what people think, and for what phone will there be more developers from xda around and so on.
Probably should wait until we have confirmed spec of the CPU and GPU on both devices, or perhaps even benchmarks, in my opinion.
Personally I much prefer the HD because bigger screen = easier to use on-screen keyboard. And with SwiftKey I don't really care too much about physical keyboard nowadays. However the HD seems rather expensive. But then yea it has a better camera and dual flash...
yes those test will be nice to see, it is not so big difference in price between the models, not if you look the sites from sweden, the hd cost around 40 $ more than the Z.
I wanna have one of them directly when they comes out, cant wait. hehe
i am going to have a try of both of them and if the HTC HD is tooooooo BIG i will go for the Z
Some review website wrote that HD is faster and has more memory (768 vs 512).
I'm not sure, I know Z uses Adreno 205 which is pretty decent and I hope hardware Adobe Flash Acceleration is not just a buzz word. Not sure about HD's GPU, how it compares.
Will probably want to see some CPU/GPU benchmarks before making final decision...
i couldnt wait any longer, preordered the Z, thinks its more usefull with the full qwerty.
Found this on Qualcomm's website.
They are probably identical, yet the description of Desire Z's GPU is more impressive
HTC Desire HD:
MSM8255™ and MSM8655™
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/se with dedicated 2D Open VG graphics hardware
HTC Desire Z:
MSM7230™
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
Desire z or desire HD?
Desire z or desire HD?
which one do you pick and why
wasn't the hummingbird getting 90m triangles?
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wasn't the hummingbird getting 90m triangles?
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Yep it is. But in theory of course. ;-) I think that SGX 540 is still the fastest GPU solution on the market. But we'll see when G2/Desire Z will be available....
The Z for the keyboard... I'm not a fan of the on screen keyboard... however I am a bit worried of how the keyboard will "slide" into view... I am worried that it might break easily or that the ribbon cable might break.... warranty experience tells me that ribbon cables often takes time to replace....
Something concerns me about this. One sites I have come across is quoting the manufactirers warranty as 1yr for the Desire HD and the Desire Z, whereas it states 2 yrs for the Desire.
Misprint or have HTC reduced their warranty period?
Was thinking seriously about Desire HD, but recently changed my mind in favor of Desire Z.
DHD to me sounds somehow "unfinished" - regardless of the supreme specs. On the other side DesireZ just looks like really well designed phone ... look for example where are the audio plugs on DHD and DZ.
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The Z for the keyboard... I'm not a fan of the on screen keyboard... however I am a bit worried of how the keyboard will "slide" into view... I am worried that it might break easily or that the ribbon cable might break.... warranty experience tells me that ribbon cables often takes time to replace....
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If it's any help, the hardware keyboard on the Touch Pro 2 is very robust.
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If it's any help, the hardware keyboard on the Touch Pro 2 is very robust.
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I own a Touch Pro 2, and although the keyboard is robust, the OS is not that spectacular.
I bought a HTC Wildfire for my girlfriend, I played with it and it started to love android, I like that phone even more than my Touch Pro 2, so I can hardly wait for the Desire Z.
Does the fact that the desire Z has a 45nm cpu make it faster than the desire HD's 65nm even though there is a 200mhz clock speed differance? Personally i would think it would be faster but not 100% sure. I guess the 45nm chip is a newer chip than the 65nm chip.
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Does the fact that the desire Z has a 45nm cpu make it faster than the desire HD's 65nm even though there is a 200mhz clock speed differance? Personally i would think it would be faster but not 100% sure. I guess the 45nm chip is a newer chip than the 65nm chip.
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I believe the HD has the same CPU as the Z, just clocked at 1Ghz instead of 800Mhz.
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Something concerns me about this. One sites I have come across is quoting the manufactirers warranty as 1yr for the Desire HD and the Desire Z, whereas it states 2 yrs for the Desire.
Misprint or have HTC reduced their warranty period?
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Pretty sure it's a mis-print - still 2 years.
anyone know the root capabilities for desire z? cause if all else fails we could just use set cpu to 1ghz but i really wouldnt think its nessicary.
Desire Z all the way. I have been waiting for a good free QWERTY keyboard since the G1 and I know this is it. Plus with Cyanogen support this device is going to be the BOMB.
i just bought the wildfire s for my mom, and i used Desire Z
i noticed that wildfire s got 200+ MB Free RAM ( i am sure not ROM ) on original sense rom in normal use ( no task kill ) . but i never got 230+MB ram on Desire Z sense rom even from DAY 1. How come ? i feel wildfire s is more smoother and better than Desire Z . even wildfire S just got 600Mhz . How come ???
The Desire Z and the Wildfire S both have the same amount of ram, which is 512 MB. So this can't be it.
I can imagine though, that the difference in available ram is due to the different size of the devices. Whereas the DZ has a 3.7" screen, the WS only has a 3.2" screen. This means that the WS most certainly has a lower screen resolution which in turn leads to smaller sizes of all of the graphics used and leaving more ram available for other applications.
Samsung I9300 Galaxy S III at a glance:
General: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, UMTS 850/900/1900/2100 MHz, HSDPA 21 Mbps, HSUPA 5.76 Mbps; 4G (regional))
Form factor: Touchscreen bar phone
Dimensions: 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6 mm, 133 g
Display: 4.8" 16M-color HD (720 x 1280 pixels) Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, Gorilla Glass
CPU: Quad-core 32nm ARM Cortex A9 1.4 GHz processor, Exynos 4212 Quad chipset
GPU: Mali-400MP
RAM: 1GB
OS: Android 4.0.4 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
Memory: 16/32/64GB storage, microSD card slot
Camera: 8 megapixel auto-focus camera with face detection, touch focus and image
stabilization; Full HD (1080p) video recording at 30fps, LED flash, 1.9MP front facing camera, video-calls
Connectivity: Wi-Fi a/b/g/n, Wi-Fi hotspot, Bluetooth 4.0+HS, standard microUSB port,
GPS receiver with A-GPS, 3.5mm audio jack, FM radio, TV-out, USB-on-the-go, NFC
Battery: 2100 mAh
Misc: TouchWiz 4.0 UI, DivX/XviD codec support, built-in accelerometer, multi-touch input, proximity sensor, gyroscope sensor, Swype text input, RGB light
For more
www.gsmarena.com/the_beast_released_samsung_galaxy_siii_is_now_here-news-4200.php
Not really a beast. Mostly minor upgrades at best. More like a llama than a tiger.
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Literally an s2 with an ugly new design, a better screen, a new processor which you won't feel any difference to for a normal day to day user and bigger battery as standard
Disappointment at it's greatest
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I can't see a compelling reason for anyone in the U.S. to buy a $600+ Galaxy S III over a $400 no contract Galaxy Nexus...
Once the carriers get there hands on it the SIII will be stripped down like crazy to a dual core and has the same screen as the Nexus so why bother?
SOO responsive! I'm getting one for sure!
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Exynos 4212 Quad chipset
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You mean 4412?
Pentile... huge disappointment and zero reason to upgrade from S2.
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the only massive disappointment for me was the design. the back looks like my sgs 1 while the front looks like the nexus.
however, to says its a minor upgrade like that of the 4s is completely moronic. but dont see the sgs 3 selling as much as the sgs 2.
dont know if i should buy this phone or get a gtx 690.
Looks like I will be sticking with my GN for awhile longer. I see no reason to jump to this unless they have found some way to make the battery life a hell of a lot better than the GN for the nice screen.
A 2100 battery though doesn't inspire confidence.
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Pentile... huge disappointment and zero reason to upgrade from S2.
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I'm with you. I was wavering between HTC One X and Galaxy S3 and I knew it was done when I saw the phone design and the pentile display.
GPU: Mali-400MP
like s2 ??!!
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s3-1078667/review
best review of it yet, i for one am very pleased with the Galaxy S3, surely to **** people on here pretty much knew what to expect just what the hell did you expect, i believe this will sell millions and could possibly eclipse the SGSII in time.
Will certainly be getting one might have to wait for the price to drop a bit though.
Great work Samsung
I hope that it is AWS compatible
I don't like the design either... Why thy need to copy iPhone to put a physical button in the middle?
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The good thing is that it comes with Touchwiz or... wait..... not rly....
ALIRAFAAT said:
GPU: Mali-400MP
like s2 ??!!
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upgraded version of mali 400 @ higher clock rates
I'm so sad. This forum is already filling up with pointless repetitive threads. All SGS forums have been messy to date
Do we really need this thread? Its not aside we don't know anything about this device
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All general descusion is to be direct to this thread here
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So let's match up the latest contender against the current king of "pocketables" (our beloved Tab 7.7) in terms of hardware:
Specs of the main rivals (as of Nov 2012):
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Galaxy Tab 7.7 iPad Mini Nexus 7 Kindle Fire HD
Dimensions 196.7 x 133 x 7.9 mm 200 x 134.7 x 7.2 mm 198.5 x 120 x 10.5 mm 193 x 137 x 10.3 mm
Weight 340 g 308 g 340 g 395 g
Resolution 1280 x 800 1024 x 768 1280 x 800 1280 x 800
Screen 7.7" 196 ppi 7.9" 162 ppi 7.0" 216 ppi 7.0" 216 ppi
Cams 3.15 & 2 MP 5 & 1 MP 1.2 MP 1.3 MP
Micro-SD yes no no no
CPU Dual-core 1.4 GHz A9 Dual-core 1 Ghz A9 Quad-core 1.3 GHz A9 Dual-core 1.2 GHz A9
GPU Mali-400MP PowerVR SGX MP4+ GeForce PowerVR SGX540
RAM 1 GB 512 MB 1 GB 512 MB
GPS yes no yes no
Misc voice call support NFC
Verdict:
Dimensions: draw
Weight: iPad Mini
Resolution: Tab 7.7
Screen: Tab 7.7
Cams: draw
Micro-SD: Tab 7.7
CPU: Tab 7.7
GPU: Tab 7.7
RAM: Tab 7.7
GPS: Tab 7.7
Looking at the hardware it looks like a clear win for the Tab 7.7.
For those looking for LTE data: supported by both Verizon's Tab 7.7 and iPad Mini LTE version
So, to summarize the iPad Mini:
The Good: light weight, good back cam
The Bad: front cam, no expandable memory, no USB peripheral connectivity, no GPS
The Ugly: 162ppi (in 2012) is going to be pushing it when reading full size PDFs, non-uniform bezel not really great design choice
What do you guys think?
The only good thing here, is that there will be a lot of accessories for the ipad mini and there is a slight chance that some of these might fit the 7.7 .
I do feel that samsung might come out with another amoled tab in january at CES but I could be wrong.
ascariss said:
The only good thing here, is that there will be a lot of accessories for the ipad mini and there is a slight chance that some of these might fit the 7.7 .
I do feel that samsung might come out with another amoled tab in january at CES but I could be wrong.
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I hope so too. A 7.7 successor with stylus, 1920x1080 (286 ppi) screen and wireless charging would be a game changer.
Accessories wise I'm pretty happy handling the device without any bulky covers; and the screen protectors won't be compatible, not sure what the Mini could contribute..
I'll pass on the Mini, if only to have it just play with. One dealbreaker too many -- no microsd slot. End of story.
I might jump ship for a Asus padphone 2
Tab 7.7 definitely wins here. The iPad mini isn't worth it.
Tab 7.7 has the native Voice Call !!!!!
Absolutely the must-have feature.
7.7 original innovation. Ipad Mini same as ipad 2 but smaller no innovation. And waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to expensive for it to compete with anything else. Sure the 7.7 was over $600 US but I would gladly pay that anytime over a shrunken down version of an old product
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While the hardware of the 7.7 is great and the fact that Samsung got it right on the size (a fraction of an inch really does matter in the 7inch tablet market) -- Apple's advantage is it's ecosystem. It is a fact that their tablets will be upgraded to iOS7 and iOS8. Until Android and/or Samsung get down to a good software support model we won't win. Give me a 7.7 Nexus that has an annual software update and isn't discontinued and I think I'll be happy.
Agreed the Gtab 7.7 is superior, and it was a device announced in 2011!
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While the hardware of the 7.7 is great and the fact that Samsung got it right on the size (a fraction of an inch really does matter in the 7inch tablet market) -- Apple's advantage is it's ecosystem. It is a fact that their tablets will be upgraded to iOS7 and iOS8. Until Android and/or Samsung get down to a good software support model we won't win. Give me a 7.7 Nexus that has an annual software update and isn't discontinued and I think I'll be happy.
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As long as some people from Team Hacksung don't jump ship, we'll have newer OSs. The 7.7 is mostly the same as a Galaxy SII, and almost the same as a Note. Both devices are being worked on by people from the Team, and most of the Exynos 4212's stupidities are known and somewhat understood. Although our device isn't as well supported as the Note, we will get whatever CM version the Note gets; right now locerra is working to avoid the rough edges, but if he stops doing so someone from the community will step up. We won't get a TouchWiz Android 4.2+, but we will get it (and future versions) on AOSP.
A 1024x768 4:3 screen vs 1280x800 SAMOLED+? It's not even fair.
Apparently the Mini doesn't include a GPS either, whereas the Tab7.7 comes out of the box with GPS enabled Google Maps. Then add (compass enabled) Streetview and Google Earth (and compare it to Apple maps w/o GPS) and it's not even a contest in this category.
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nephridium said:
I hope so too. A 7.7 successor with stylus, 1920x1080 (286 ppi) screen and wireless charging would be a game changer.
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+1 to that. My wish
I would say the nexus 7 is better based on the specs I do not like apple products at all but will probably buy the iPad mini when available to test it out and see how good the screen is compared to the nexus
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I just bought a gtab 7.7 and am well within my 14 day return period. Here are the reasons I am not going to get the ipad mini:
- GPS. How can apple not include this? Unbelievable.
- screen quality. While I have not seen the ipad mini, I love the display on the gtab 7.7. It is the best I've seen on any device.
- build quality. Better than any android device and at least as good as the ipad.
- expandable memory.
- haptic feedback. I love to use this while typing. It amazes me that apple, amazon and Asus do not include this on their devices and nobody complains.
The primary advantages for apple in my eyes include :
- great app eco system and developer support.
- warranty and service are Lexus like... at least in my experience.
So I'm keeping my gtab 7.7. This replaces my old school gtab 7 that I've had for two years.
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besides the app ecosystem, the tab 7.7 wins on everything to me.
to get an equivalent cellular model, with 64gb space (to compensate for no microsd slot) you'd be paying 600 bucks for the mini.
the tab 7.7 is a year old as well and it still kicks the llama's ass. samsung nailed it, was ahead of the game, but somehow didn't know how to market the best tab in this size range.
i really wish that android apps would catch up on the tablet-optimized space. the apps taht are tablet optimized are a much better experience than blown up phone app interfaces.
i personally wish google would put some android specifications that all manufacturers have to follow. enough so it is easier to develop for without affecting the different choices we can get.
idiotekniQues said:
besides the app ecosystem, the tab 7.7 wins on everything to me.
to get an equivalent cellular model, with 64gb space (to compensate for no microsd slot) you'd be paying 600 bucks for the mini.
the tab 7.7 is a year old as well and it still kicks the llama's ass. samsung nailed it, was ahead of the game, but somehow didn't know how to market the best tab in this size range.
i really wish that android apps would catch up on the tablet-optimized space. the apps taht are tablet optimized are a much better experience than blown up phone app interfaces.
i personally wish google would put some android specifications that all manufacturers have to follow. enough so it is easier to develop for without affecting the different choices we can get.
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That's why he have Paranoid Android - to change per app DPI.
I just installed Paranoid Android v2.5. It's a very good ROM. You can change the looks from tablet mode to phone mode, or hybrid mode - phanblet mode.
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That's why he have Paranoid Android - to change per app DPI.
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totally agree
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