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Hey guys, T-Mobile is implementing a new program with their My Device program for Android devices called Device Tune-up, in beta form. From reading everything, I guess it's essentially another task-killer. I'm going to give it a shot. Anybody else willing to try?
From T-Mo:
Background:
T-Mobile is continually looking for ways to bring new innovation to our customers. Within the My Account application, we are adding new functionality in the My Device section called Device Tune-up. Device Tune-up is built to run in the background at all times and ‘tune-up’ the device by closing unused services that are running.
Device Tune-up is different from most task killers because it does not require you to do anything. Device Tune-up will default to 'on'. While on, Device Tune-up proactively closes services to help the device and battery perform at their best. Most pre-loaded applications will not be affected by Device Tune-up. For our non-technical users, this may mean you never even realize Device Tune-up is running; your device may simply run better.
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Download & instructions here
I installed as soon as I saw them tweet it, and I must say I'm pretty impressed, it works very well. More people should try it though, I would like to see what others think of it.
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well they pulled the link before i got a chance to dl. says it'll be up again tomorrow.
are you seeing any of the said improvements?
Does anyone have the APK? They pulled the download for the night.
http://www.4shared.com/file/lhr3ePUm/My_Account___Beta.html
how can i run this in a non TM devices?and also not a t-mobile user........?
I downloaded this, but it does not allow you to turn off pre-installed apps. That's a major loss and pretty much renders the thing useless. Advanced Task Killer works much better in this department.
I'm going to give it a shot and see if it works okay. I don't use a lot of the apps that are req to stay on and not kill so it may work great for me. I'll see in a day or two.
That's weird I installed it but I don't see the device tune up part anywhere and I'm not on wifi. Also I read this on the download page:
If, after installing the beta, you do not see Device Tune-up on the Quick Tools menu, it means that your device was placed into a control group experience. To opt out of the control group experience and be able to see Device Tune-up, long click on the Phone Info line under Quick Tools tab and choose to ‘opt-out’ of the control group. You will then see Device Tune-up.
I followed the instructions and I long press on the phone info part under quick tools and nothing happens or I don't get any option to opt-out. Anyone else having this issue? Does this app work on nexus one running froyo?
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That's weird I installed it but I don't see the device tune up part anywhere and I'm not on wifi. Also I read this on the download page:
If, after installing the beta, you do not see Device Tune-up on the Quick Tools menu, it means that your device was placed into a control group experience. To opt out of the control group experience and be able to see Device Tune-up, long click on the Phone Info line under Quick Tools tab and choose to ‘opt-out’ of the control group. You will then see Device Tune-up.
I followed the instructions and I long press on the phone info part under quick tools and nothing happens or I don't get any option to opt-out. Anyone else having this issue? Does this app work on nexus one running froyo?
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try installing apk manager from the market then install it from there thats what i had to do to get mine to work
gmonterrosa82 said:
That's weird I installed it but I don't see the device tune up part anywhere and I'm not on wifi. Also I read this on the download page:
If, after installing the beta, you do not see Device Tune-up on the Quick Tools menu, it means that your device was placed into a control group experience. To opt out of the control group experience and be able to see Device Tune-up, long click on the Phone Info line under Quick Tools tab and choose to ‘opt-out’ of the control group. You will then see Device Tune-up.
I followed the instructions and I long press on the phone info part under quick tools and nothing happens or I don't get any option to opt-out. Anyone else having this issue? Does this app work on nexus one running froyo?
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jriv said:
try installing apk manager from the market then install it from there thats what i had to do to get mine to work
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What do you mean? I installed apk manager and all it does is show me all my apps installed. And I do see the myaccount app in installed but there's nothing else to do....did I miss a step?...... Thanks
I got it and installed it through the apk manager as you stated and installed the app but it still doesn't show device tune up or holding long pressing the phone info doesn't give me the option to opt-out....
after you install it open up my device go to quick tools and press and hold on phone info then you get a pop up asking about the control group thing
Yeah I've tried this like 100 times today, nothing happens I hold "phone info" it highlights green I hold it nothings pop ups asking me to opt out. I've installed and reinstalled the app through the apk manager and without it and it just isn't working. I have nexus one running froyo (latest update) am I missing something????
Its for 2.1 devices only
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Ah....well then there you go. Thanks
This app is so completely pointless. Except for the percentage meter, which I am testing to see if I get battery battery life with no percentage widget running. I don't like the 1-10 scale the settings menu has.
This is basically how it works for me. Since I know how to end programs using the back button method , I go to my "My device beta", go to end tasks, and every task I would like to kill says "cannot kill pre-installed app".
Facebook, twitter, all sorts of dumb S*** has to be left running. Personally I hate the mail app because it lags and the gmail app is better, so I would like to close mail along with FB and many others. Would it be so terrible if T-mobile made these things optional.
Any one agree/disagree? care to argue?
I agree that this is useless. I have tried it for a few days now and it has done nothing. I still (out of habbit) go and click my task killer and it constantly is still killing apps that this beta is missing. I purposely opened some and let them run in the background for several hours unused and it still did not kill them and they were not stock apps so it should kill them just fine. Anyway, I still use my task killer to save battery so nothing has changed except I lost a few min of my life tinkering with this. Not worth the time.
I've gotten about 2 extra hours (from 10 to 12 hours) of battery life after installing this. There are plenty of articles explaining how advanced task killer is actually a battery drain, and is really only used by people with a microsoft windows mindset. TMOs app runs a bit differently and actually kills tasks that are running in the background, not just holding memory (I'm not going to explain the differnce, as its been done 100x already).
I give the app a good rating.
I am having a SGS asia version with latest firmware.
i have rooted it with su access and using process manager to kill those unwanted application (google map, double clock, and others....) running from behind.
but after certain time (range from 1 hour to 2 hours), those unwanted application will load back and take up the memory again. I have to manually killed them again and the remaining RAM is reduced in the process.
Is anyone facing similar problem ?
anyone know how to permanently stop this ? is there any program in the Samsung that keep summoning those application ?
Thank you.
Ya, I've this problem too, but mine is the stock firmware.I've no idea what causes those applications to launch themselves.
yes, a few of my friend also facing this problem. that is why i am thinking is some professional here can help us on this question.
Thanks
If you have rooted your phone, download this app called startup manager from market place, then disable these apps from the start up process. Viola, no more.
Seifer1975 said:
If you have rooted your phone, download this app called startup manager from market place, then disable these apps from the start up process. Viola, no more.
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Is this startup manager for choosing which applications to auto start during soft reset only though?
You might also want to give "automatic task killer" from the market a go too, first app I would install after flashing roms.
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If you have rooted your phone, download this app called startup manager from market place, then disable these apps from the start up process. Viola, no more.
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I have installed startup manager application and already disable them at the startup. But they still coming back once a while when the phone is running......
I have successfully stop them from launch at the starting but after a while, it keep coming back. What is more irritating is once i kill them, they launch again 1-2 hours later....
i am thinking , is there any application running underground which keep "calling" them ?
After reading the help section on the system panel I installed, apparently the way android works is by loading up apps that it thinks you might need, so that when you do open them, they're already sitting there ready. system panel shows you a list of apps that are open on your phone and running, open but in the background, and those that on standby. Most task killers only show all these as being open, when they actually all aren't. The maker of the app strongly advises against continually killing all apps, unless any of them have a problem. Anyway, that's just what I read.
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After reading the help section on the system panel I installed, apparently the way android works is by loading up apps that it thinks you might need, so that when you do open them, they're already sitting there ready. system panel shows you a list of apps that are open on your phone and running, open but in the background, and those that on standby. Most task killers only show all these as being open, when they actually all aren't. The maker of the app strongly advises against continually killing all apps, unless any of them have a problem. Anyway, that's just what I read.
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I see. Now it does explains everything. Sounds factual to me, if you've read it in the help section of the system panel. Thank you.
Facts are so important in problem solving.
Can you tell us which apps are started every hours like that ??
On my side I would like to know if the following app can be killed :
* Device management
* DRM protected content storage
* SNS
*com.sec.android.app.samsungapps.una
* com.sec.android.providers.downloads
*mobile AP settings
* Mobile Tracker settings
* Log provider
* My upload
* Settings
thanks
I am on the March 5th build of ICS from Quarx, and have only experienced this issue on this ROM, however I have not tried going to another version to see if it's something I viewed/downloaded.
Every once in awhile I get a notification, it looks exactly like a smaller version of the Messaging app's icon. The title says something like "Faster, Better" etc. and once I click on it there is an image of an ad for UC Browser 8. It only happens when I have internet, but all I can do is swipe the notification and wait for it to happen again.
There is a folder in the root of my SD card called Joy. Inside are three more folders: Cache, PopAd, and config. Nothing in Cache, PopAd includes the ADucweb_en.jpg image that pops up. In config there is dk.pro, popAd.config, running.config, and sys.config.
When I delete the folder, it reappears once the ad pops up- which seems to coincide with why I always need internet when the ad pops up.
Any advice on how to handle this? It's annoying and could be simply malware (AVG finds nothing wrong) but it seems to be a total breach of privacy and security that a folder is able to redownload itself continuously against the user's wishes. I'm unaware if this has anything to do with the person/people behind UC Browser 8, but I feel I need to contact them as well for malicious advertising by someone.
I had these same notifications happening, and found those files too. After installing "Addons Detector" I found that these were coming from an app I'd recently installed called "Mission Impossible FREE" (com.letang.game109.en).
I wonder if there's a better way to identify the app that creates a notification. Nearly anonymous notifications seem like an easy spam vector. It'd be nice if a long press on a notification message gave identifying details about it's origin.
-Ben
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same problem here. thx to another member, i now know how to remove it permanently. when the ad pops up, take note of the game/app that it's advertising. go to market and find its developer. then check and see if you have any of their app/game installed in your phone. just uninstall them and you'll be able to delete the joy folder permanently. and the ad will never pop up again.
the developer that's making these ads in my phone is call LeTang, Inc. i think it's the same for you.
As I'm sure many people have discovered (at least if my searching about it is to be believed), Metro Apps - sorry - Windows 8 style apps, can not be run when UAC is turned off. They just yell at you and don't start.
This leaves one solution, turning on UAC. But, when you do that, those annoying little pop-ups appear any time you want to do anything useful on your computer with any non-built-in program. Seems like we can only choose one, right? Running Metro apps and being annoyed all the time or not being annoyed by UAC but not being able to use Metro apps.
Luckily, this isn't the case! This can be fixed, giving you the nice non-nagging of having UAC off and the convenience of running Metro apps! How, you ask? A very simple registry edit!
First, open up control panel and get to the UAC section
- I have no idea where this is, just search "UAC" in the top right bar of control panel, or easier yet, in the system search
Drag the slider down to "Never Notify"
It should ask you to restart. You MAY not need to, but I haven't tried it. I recommend restarting.
Next, open up the registry editor.
- just press windows+q to get to search and type in "regedit" - it should be the first thing there
Navigate to the UAC registry setting - it is located here:
Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\EnableLUA
That setting (EnableLUA) should be of type "REG_DWORD" and the Data should be "0x00000000 (0)". If not, you didnt do the last step correctly. Redo it.
Double click on that and change the "Value data:" from 0 to 1.
This should also prompt you to restart. You definitely need to do this one.
After this, magically, you can run Metro apps and also not be nagged by UAC!
I haven't run in to any errors doing this, but I quite literally did it an hour ago. So far, no problems I can see.
Pseudonym117 said:
As I'm sure many people have discovered (at least if my searching about it is to be believed), Metro Apps - sorry - Windows 8 style apps, can not be run when UAC is turned off. They just yell at you and don't start.
This leaves one solution, turning on UAC. But, when you do that, those annoying little pop-ups appear any time you want to do anything useful on your computer with any non-built-in program. Seems like we can only choose one, right? Running Metro apps and being annoyed all the time or not being annoyed by UAC but not being able to use Metro apps.
Luckily, this isn't the case! This can be fixed, giving you the nice non-nagging of having UAC off and the convenience of running Metro apps! How, you ask? A very simple registry edit!
First, open up control panel and get to the UAC section
- I have no idea where this is, just search "UAC" in the top right bar of control panel, or easier yet, in the system search
Drag the slider down to "Never Notify"
It should ask you to restart. You MAY not need to, but I haven't tried it. I recommend restarting.
Next, open up the registry editor.
- just press windows+q to get to search and type in "regedit" - it should be the first thing there
Navigate to the UAC registry setting - it is located here:
Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\EnableLUA
That setting (EnableLUA) should be of type "REG_DWORD" and the Data should be "0x00000000 (0)". If not, you didnt do the last step correctly. Redo it.
Double click on that and change the "Value data:" from 0 to 1.
This should also prompt you to restart. You definitely need to do this one.
After this, magically, you can run Metro apps and also not be nagged by UAC!
I haven't run in to any errors doing this, but I quite literally did it an hour ago. So far, no problems I can see.
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Thanks for this I was really starting to get annoyed at it. Not just because they are annoying little boxes but it also meant some of my startscreen links with run as didn't work I had to actively right click etc not so easy in 8.
I have UAC disabled on my desktop and laptop both running build 8400 and metro apps work fine, is this something new in RTM?
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x10man said:
I have UAC disabled on my desktop and laptop both running build 8400 and metro apps work fine, is this something new in RTM?
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I believe so. I have the official RTM of the x64 Professional Edition (student licences are awesome), which is build 9200. From my searching, it did worked at one point and doesnt in the RTM.
I am also on the RTM pro x64 and turned off UAC first thing. I haven't had any problems with Metro apps.
Thanks for have made the world just a little less secure big time
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Thanks for have made the world just a little less secure big time
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has anyone ever been so far as to decide what to do more like?
but srsly, if i actually know what you are saying (big if...), this shouldnt make windows any less secure than just turning UAC off would, as the registry change actually turns UAC back on, it doesnt just fake that it is on. It just doesnt have the annoying pop-up. metro apps are still sandboxed and not allowed administrator rights anyways.
excactly. so by finding a way users are not forced to have uac on, you make windows in general less secure, because these are MEANT to obbligate people to have uac on.
What I don't get is why this workaround is required in the first place... the first time I got a UAC notification I went to settings and turned it off. Haven't had a problem since.
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excactly. so by finding a way users are not forced to have uac on, you make windows in general less secure, because these are MEANT to obbligate people to have uac on.
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sure, but i dont like UAC yelling at me. as such, i want it off. i dont care when programs are trying to do something they need administrator permission to do, because i know what i download and what it does.
Pseudonym117 said:
sure, but i dont like UAC yelling at me. as such, i want it off. i dont care when programs are trying to do something they need administrator permission to do, because i know what i download and what it does.
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Exactly. UAC is meant for people who have no idea what they are doing when it comes to Windows system-wise. If they don't know what programs do what it is useful to deny something they didn't request.
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Exactly. UAC is meant for people who have no idea what they are doing when it comes to Windows system-wise. If they don't know what programs do what it is useful to deny something they didn't request.
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if you dont know what you are doing, NEVER OPEN THE REGISTRY EDITOR.
Tell that to people annoyed that use Google
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I honestly don't know what all the fuss about UAC is, theres almost no lag any more, it doesn't have to dim, and if set correctly doesn't nag about every little thing.
For all those that feel that the world is a 100% safe place to live and work, good for you, keep it turned off, for everyone else with a interest in helping the wider community stay safe, just keep it on yeah, worms and viruses don't typically jump up and say they are about to install so any prompt for programs doing stuff with higher level privileges is good in my book.
I do a lot of stuff on my computers, id say im fairly well clued up as to what im doing but I for one like the UAC pop up, why? because you cant possibly know that every little program is safe. with UAC on, you can turn it way down but leave it on still meaning any program that requires admin rights (which shouldn't be many) has to ask me.
Yes I do know that if run something it may trigger the response, yes I do know what im running, but you are all naïve to assume that bad things never happen
One other thing, I have no AV software at al, beyond what comes with windows, I run periodic off line scans which are all clear, why is that? because I have a properly setup 2 way firewall, I know what im doing, and I know what the programs are trying to do, for all you lot that turn UAC off, you cant possibly know what programs are doing with admin rights without your knowledge.
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As I'm sure many people have discovered (at least if my searching about it is to be believed), Metro Apps - sorry - Windows 8 style apps, can not be run when UAC is turned off. They just yell at you and don't start.
This leaves one solution, turning on UAC. But, when you do that, those annoying little pop-ups appear any time you want to do anything useful on your computer with any non-built-in program. Seems like we can only choose one, right? Running Metro apps and being annoyed all the time or not being annoyed by UAC but not being able to use Metro apps.
Luckily, this isn't the case! This can be fixed, giving you the nice non-nagging of having UAC off and the convenience of running Metro apps! How, you ask? A very simple registry edit!
First, open up control panel and get to the UAC section
- I have no idea where this is, just search "UAC" in the top right bar of control panel, or easier yet, in the system search
Drag the slider down to "Never Notify"
It should ask you to restart. You MAY not need to, but I haven't tried it. I recommend restarting.
Next, open up the registry editor.
- just press windows+q to get to search and type in "regedit" - it should be the first thing there
Navigate to the UAC registry setting - it is located here:
Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\EnableLUA
That setting (EnableLUA) should be of type "REG_DWORD" and the Data should be "0x00000000 (0)". If not, you didnt do the last step correctly. Redo it.
Double click on that and change the "Value data:" from 0 to 1.
This should also prompt you to restart. You definitely need to do this one.
After this, magically, you can run Metro apps and also not be nagged by UAC!
I haven't run in to any errors doing this, but I quite literally did it an hour ago. So far, no problems I can see.
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Enabling UAC is not an option for me.
What you do to get the Metro apps "magically" start is absolutely no magic. You turn UAC back on.
To salve this problem, and yet keep UAC disabled, make sure EnableLUA is still "0"
Then make sure your user account is a member of the local Administrator group.
then goto Run > secpol.msc > Local Policies > Security Settings > Security Options >
User Account Control: Run all administrators in Admin Approval Mode > Enable
Reboot
And the Metro Apps will work while UAC is still disabled.
Seems to be quite the day for "power users"
Your approach is overly complex, and doesn't actually do what you think it does.
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Enabling UAC is not an option for me.
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It deeply disturbs me that people like you exist, and use the Internet. You *appear* competent in the rest of your post, and yet say things like this... Running as root/Admin was known to be a bad idea 20 years ago. Do you think antivirus will protect you when somebody uses a 0-day to turn your PC into a spam-spewing, DDoS-ing zombie in a botnet?
If you absolutely must avoid seeing UAC prompts, but still want at least a sliver of security, take the following approach instead:
1: Enable UAC if you previously disabled it (set it to whatever level you want except "never prompt" which actually turns it off entirely; we're about to override the prompting).
2. secpol.msc (you can just type it into Start, incidentally).
3. Local Policies -> Security Options (like you said).
4. Open the "Behavior of the elevation prompt for administrators in Admin Approval Mode" item.
5. Select "Elevate without prompting" and hit OK.
Behold, Metro apps work but software still runs with limited permissions by default. You can elevate things if you want to; still no prompt. You can even set them to always elevate using the Compatibility tab, if needed. No rebooting required at all. Still less secure than requiring approval to elevate - apps (including malware) can simply and invisibly elevate themselves when in this configuration - but at least stuff that assumes it is already admin won't work.
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Iceberger said:
What you do to get the Metro apps "magically" start is absolutely no magic. You turn UAC back on.
To salve this problem, and yet keep UAC disabled, make sure EnableLUA is still "0"
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Emphasis on "appear" above. To somebody unfamiliar with Windows, you sound like you know what you're doing, but that secpol switch you flip (the one called "Run all Administrators...")? That's the master key for UAC. You just went through an excessively complicated set of steps to turn UAC on in the least intrusive manner, when all it took was changing the one policy I listed above.
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Your approach is overly complex, and doesn't actually do what you think it does.
It deeply disturbs me that people like you exist, and use the Internet. You *appear* competent in the rest of your post, and yet say things like this... Running as root/Admin was known to be a bad idea 20 years ago. Do you think antivirus will protect you when somebody uses a 0-day to turn your PC into a spam-spewing, DDoS-ing zombie in a botnet?
If you absolutely must avoid seeing UAC prompts, but still want at least a sliver of security, take the following approach instead:
1: Enable UAC if you previously disabled it (set it to whatever level you want except "never prompt" which actually turns it off entirely; we're about to override the prompting).
2. secpol.msc (you can just type it into Start, incidentally).
3. Local Policies -> Security Options (like you said).
4. Open the "Behavior of the elevation prompt for administrators in Admin Approval Mode" item.
5. Select "Elevate without prompting" and hit OK.
Behold, Metro apps work but software still runs with limited permissions by default. You can elevate things if you want to; still no prompt. You can even set them to always elevate using the Compatibility tab, if needed. No rebooting required at all. Still less secure than requiring approval to elevate - apps (including malware) can simply and invisibly elevate themselves when in this configuration - but at least stuff that assumes it is already admin won't work.
The real kicker is below, though...
Emphasis on "appear" above. To somebody unfamiliar with Windows, you sound like you know what you're doing, but that secpol switch you flip (the one called "Run all Administrators...")? That's the master key for UAC. You just went through an excessively complicated set of steps to turn UAC on in the least intrusive manner, when all it took was changing the one policy I listed above.
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"It deeply disturbs me that people like you exist" wtf are you, god?
Is my post so difficult to understand? guess for you it does, you suggest I want UAC on, No, I want it off, out, disabled. clear?
To secure Windows I use other 3rd party programs (that work) to do the job. UAC is just as annoying as you.
No I'm not a god, but I am a computer security professional, as well as a volunteer tech support provider. People who make claims such as the one you did above make my job a lot harder, and are responsible for a lot of harm in the world. I hold MS partially responsible for this, as it was their stupidity in making the first account created an Admin by default which led people down this path (well, that and making an OS without user permissions at all) but at least they're trying to correct those past mistakes (discontinuing Win9x for the latter and adding UAC for the former). I do not appreciate (and will call out) people trying to revert this progress!
Your post is logically inconsistent. You insist that you want UAC off, then you go and enable *THE* security policy that that turns it on again. I didn't suggest that you "want" it on at all; I merely stated that you are so unfamiliar with how Windows works that you turned it on yourself. Apparently, you also have trouble with reading comprehension.
Perhaps you are confused about the difference between UAC (the entire feature that is a component of the Windows NT 6.x security system, and includes split tokens, Admin Approval Mode, and elevation prompts, among other things) and the particular sub-component that is the elevation prompts caused by Admin Approval Mode being configured to require approval before granting a full-security token? I can understand (although I do not agree with) the desire to modify this configuration. That is why I provided the steps to do so. Do not confuse them (or what you yourself did) with disabling UAC as a whole, however!
I'd *love* to hear of a third-party program that "works" to secure a Windows machine running as Admin against zero-day threats. Really, I would. You could write a bloody PhD dissertation out of such a piece of software, because that's currently believed to be literally impossible. Windows RT can't do it, AppLocker can't do it, and you can be quite sure that third parties can't do it, not and leave anything that can still be called "Windows" behind.
Even running as a non-Admin isn't going to fully secure the machine; where a zero-day in a user process won't be able to compromise the machine by itself, it could still do quite a bit of harm, and if there's a second vulnerability providing EoP from user to admin or kernel, or if the zero-day is in a high-privilege process already, then you're screwed. There's *still* no software, third-party or otherwise, that will protect you against such things though. The best you can do is defense in depth. In order of increasing (low to high) importance:
1. use multiple firewalls (such as a hardware firewall)
2. use frequently-updated anti-virus (ranked low because it's an inherently reactive defense, not a proactive one)
3. use an OS with strong exploit mitigations (pretty much anything since XP, though they keep getting better)
4. avoid monoculture (if there are multiple equally secure options, it's best to use the least-used one... but be aware that the lesser-used options are not always secure even if they get exploited less frequently)
5. patch regularly and promptly
6. limit your attack surface (disable features and plugins you don't need, block ads, etc.)
7. don't run as Admin
8. use sandboxed applications (on Windows, this requires not running as full Admin).
Items 7 and 8 are part of a core tenet of security, the principle of least privilege. It has been applied to computer security for decades (ever hear of a system called MULTICS? It was all about this, with eight different hardware-enforced levels of privilege. Modern PCs have four such levels, and most OSes only use two of them). It applies in the real world as well; you may be familiar with the concept of "need to know"? Assume everything *could* act maliciously, and limit the damage it could cause if it does.
There are more items which I could add to the list to provide even greater security, such as using virtualization for untrusted software (basically a bigger sandbox), or air-gapping vital systems, or so on. That's beyond the scope of what most people can reasonably be expected to do with a personal computing device, though. Also, note that this isn't a "if you do X, you don't have to do X-1" list; running AV is still a good idea, even though the actual degree of protection provided is low.
Also, that all is for protection against attacks which don't require the user doing something stupid (except for turning off the protection...). For defenses against things like Trojans, AV becomes more important, but the really critical element there is simply "be smart about security" (which sadly is apparently beyond most people, given the stuff I see every day).
This is getting off-topic; the methods required to achieve the stated goal have been given.
GoodDayToDie said:
No I'm not a god, but I am a computer security professional, as well as a volunteer tech support provider.
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people volunteer to do tech support? never thought anyone would do that willingly...
also, have a question for you. what is your opinion on the built in windows 8 antivirus? i know if there is an exploit, it is much more likely to be exploited than in other AVs, but as far as known virus/trojan protection, does it do as good of a job as other, less free antiviruses?
Wait wait... I have UAC disabled and I didn't edit any registry or policy settings, and apps work fine for me. What's this about them not working?
im trying to disable metro.in the register but there isn't RPenabled to disable it.
i want to remove it.so it goes straight to the desktop just like windows 7
I'm pretty sure this was removed in the official release.
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I'm pretty sure this was removed in the official release.
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it was removed.
Learn metro, its actually pretty good once you get the hang of it with or without the touch
It was in fact removed well before release. "redpill" (what is controlled by the registry value you seek) is an MS-internal test mode for secret and/or experimental features. It's been present for at least a few previous beta products too, covering things like Win7's new taskbar. Only the very first public build of Win8 used the Redpill switch; everything after that had it built in.
There are third-party apps which disable TIFKAM (The Interface Formerly Known As Metro) to a lesser or greater degree, but I can't recommend any of them as I don't know what they actually do to the system. Personally, I just move the mouse to the lower-left corner (where the Start button appears usually), and then Right-click followed immediately by a Left-click. That will take you to the desktop from anywhere. Another way to do it is hit [Win]+d, the "Show Desktop" shortcut from previous Windows versions still works on Win8, and if you aren't on the desktop it will take you there.
To boot to desktop, change
Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\Shell
from "explorer.exe" to "explorer.exe /select,explorer.exe"
There are other ways w/o involving external software, one of which is to set up a task that runs on desktop. To find out, Google.
As far as disabling Metro altogether (ie the hot-corners), use any of the common 3rd-party fixes like Classic Shell. They work fine. Then you'd have basically an improved Win7 with some new features.
Unlike the "embrace change" advocates here, I think the user should decide if he wants to use Metro.
Good tip on the Shell registry change, thanks!
Thanks for the shell reg change, nice find. But we do have a choice to use metro or not, MS isn't a public service made to suite our needs, its a private company that can do as it wants, whether that is what we want as users is a different story, the best way to to affect change on private companies is to vote with your wallet so to speak. I'm not arguing that metro is better or anything there are issues with win 8, but as it stands there is a choice, an buying something then complaining it isn't what you want is perhaps a little silly, an we wouldn't do it in any other market cept the movie industry of course! Nope, MS will have your money an they won't be to bothered about anything else.
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>it stands there is a choice, an buying something then complaining it isn't what you want is perhaps a little silly
The OP asks if there's a way to boot to desktop, not whether he wants Metro. Please restrict the editorializing and proselytizing to appropriate threads. Thanks.
BTW, credit for the reg edit goes to another in the Win8 Dev subforum. It's a compact variation of starting a desktop task (the task in this case being Explorer itself). Explorer's parameters are below for those interested. You can vary the results by experimenting with different combinations:
/n: Opens a new window in single-paned (My Computer) view for each item selected, even if the new window duplicates a window that is already open.
/e: Uses Windows Explorer view. Windows Explorer view is most similar to File Manager in Windows version 3.x. Note that the default view is Open view.
/root,<object>: Specifies the root level of the specified view. The default is to use the normal namespace root (the desktop). Whatever is specified is the root for the display.
/select,<sub object>: Specifies the folder to receive the initial focus. If "/select" is used, the parent folder is opened and the specified object is selected.
Usage examples here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/130510
Guys no need to go into the shell!!
Get this app called pokki(search on google) .Install it.Once you install it click the pokki icon on desktop.Then check the boot to desktop option.If you want you can also get back the start button,thereby saying goodbye to metro altogether.
Hope this helps....
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>it stands there is a choice, an buying something then complaining it isn't what you want is perhaps a little silly
The OP asks if there's a way to boot to desktop, not whether he wants Metro. Please restrict the editorializing and proselytizing to appropriate threads. Thanks.
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Unlike the "embrace change" advocates here, I think the user should decide if he wants to use Metro.
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...I was referring to your post above, its irrelevant we think it should do, it is what it is. There's no need to get all uppity about it. Once again, thank you for the interesting find.
>>Unlike the "embrace change" advocates here, I think the user should decide if he wants to use Metro.
>...I was referring to your post above, its irrelevant we think it should do, it is what it is. There's no need to get all uppity about it. Once again, thank you for the interesting find.
You should work on your reading comprehension. I said "the user should decide," not what I think Win8 should or shouldn't be. And you're welcome.
I'm using the classic shell add on:
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
It allows one to bypass the Win 8 UI and go directly to Windows. Plus it puts the start menu back in. I personally see no reason to try and disable the Win 8 new shell; just ignore it and stay on the desktop.
The only exception is that the new UI has some settings on my ultrabook that are not present in the Desktop interface (like controlling the GPS).
stevedebi said:
I'm using the classic shell add on:
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
It allows one to bypass the Win 8 UI and go directly to Windows. Plus it puts the start menu back in. I personally see no reason to try and disable the Win 8 new shell; just ignore it and stay on the desktop.
The only exception is that the new UI has some settings on my ultrabook that are not present in the Desktop interface (like controlling the GPS).
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To be honest, I found ClassicShell to be buggy and unreliable. It frequently caused Explorer to crash.
I used Start8 through the trial and it seemed decent enough (I didn't crash hourly), but by the time that it expired I felt that Metro was just fine and didn't bother.
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Guys no need to go into the shell!!
Get this app called pokki(search on google) .Install it.Once you install it click the pokki icon on desktop.Then check the boot to desktop option.If you want you can also get back the start button,thereby saying goodbye to metro altogether.
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Or install start8
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netham45 said:
To be honest, I found ClassicShell to be buggy and unreliable. It frequently caused Explorer to crash.
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I have it on one system, and although I haven't noticed it to cause any stability issues, I found Start8 to be more refined.
In any case, here are the top start menu/metro avoidance programs:
Classic Shell
Start8
StartMenu7
StartMenu8
Pokki
ViStart (linked but not recommended because it tries it's best to install all kinds of 3rd party toolbars)
netham45 said:
I used Start8 through the trial and it seemed decent enough (I didn't crash hourly), but by the time that it expired I felt that Metro was just fine and didn't bother.
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I found just the opposite. I tried Metro for a while and just found it didn't do anything objectively better than the start menu, and the hot corners kept getting in my way (several of my programs have a lot of tools/buttons at the corners and edges and I was continually activating the various hidden menus). I tried Start8 and it works perfectly.
Theres an app called "FxxkMetro.exe" (actually spelt like that). It's designed to "seek out" and terminate all running instances of Metro, completely disabling it.