We just got our hands of a copy of the latest Sprint Playbook, and while we were hoping for some more info about the LG Marquee and Kyocera Milano, what we found was a bit, well, different. It seems that in order to stay competitive with Verizon and AT&T (Sprint's words, not ours), some changes are going to be made to several of the perks everyone on Sprint takes for granted.
For starters, the Sprint Premier program is coming to an end. Current members will be hearing from Sprint sometime after Sept. 16 with all the details, but the short version is starting at the beginning of this month, enrollment in the program stopped, and you'll have to use your current (and final) Premier upgrade on or before Dec. 31, 2012. In addition, the other smaller but just as appreciated perks like accessory discounts and annual anniversary gifts end Dec. 31, 2011. Employees have been instructed how to let everyone down easy, but this will sting no matter how you slice it.
Next up, is a major change to Sprint's 30-day=satisfaction guarantee -- it's getting cut by 16 days. Like we've seen other carriers do, Sprint will now be switching to a 14-day return policy. They will still return everything but the restocking fee, you just have a couple weeks less to make up your mind.
Finally, starting Oct. 2, the "New For You" upgrade time is changing from 22 months, down to 20. Cutting the time down by two months is nice, but will hardly take the sting of losing the yearly Premier benefit away.
Nothing good can last forever folks, and as Sprint reminds us, they have to do something to stay competitive. In the end, it's a business and sometimes you have to rob from Peter to pay Paul. We have some relevant pages of the Playbook after the break.
Source:http://www.androidcentral.com/leake...r-program-return-policy-and-more-and-you-wont
So now everyone gets an upgrade every 20 months?
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Yeaaaah I've been big on Sprint and with this I'm going to start looking around.
Extremely disappointed.
You don't "stay competitive" by cutting benefits that others don't offer
That is just sad... hate the way they keep cutting down (and now killing) Premiere.
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So now everyone gets an upgrade every 20 months?
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Looks to be that way. Hopefully it goes into effect right away so I only have to wait till May 1 now to upgrade.
I'm going to wait and see what the iPhone and nexus prime have to offer. What else are they going to take from us?
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I'm going to wait and see what the iPhone and nexus prime have to offer. What else are they going to take from us?
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Besided unlimited data and cheap prices, what else do they have to take away?
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I wasn't Gold anyway, but this still sucks. I hope it isn't due to this iPhone fiasco. But as said, it is a business...
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I find this absolutely hilarious.
One week ago, I was told by an Executive Services rep that the changes to Sprint Premier were to give more benefit to their long-term (10+ year) customers, when, actually, they had already started phasing out the benefits for them. (Enrollment into Sprint Premier closed September 1st.) She was even trying to get me to change to a higher rate-plan to get the benefits of Sprint Premier!
So much for customer loyalty. Sprint's a single feather (unlimited data) away from being the same as the rest of the flock. Who really thinks now that it's not going to get plucked? ($10 says they start throttling speeds.)
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Yeaaaah I've been big on Sprint and with this I'm going to start looking around.
Extremely disappointed.
You don't "stay competitive" by cutting benefits that others don't offer
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That is the excuse, the real deal is by offering more benefits you also loosing more profit and is not business savvy. They are becoming cheaper like the competitors. Now imagine that with only a few carriers and we gonna have the beautiful monopoly that is being announced and is going to hit us more sooner that we think of.
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That is the excuse, the real deal is by offering more benefits you also loosing more profit and is not business savvy. They are becoming cheaper like the competitors. Now imagine that with only a few carriers and we gonna have the beautiful monopoly that is being announced and is going to hit us more sooner that we think of.
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I know it is and I despise when companies do that ****, so I will gladly call them out on it.
Yeah, this blows. I am upgrade eligible 10/01/11, guess I'll grab the 3D.
While this blows I don't think ill be leaving can't go to tmobile if they are to merge w ATT and I hate VZW also I only have a part upgrade available anyways so the 20 months is kinda good for me lol it will be sooner and hopefully by then something that I really want will be out
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Sorry ill believe it when I see sprint say it. Been with them for 13 years and hear say and "leaked" documents get out all the time. Most of which is not true. We shall see in the end I guess.
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Things change and after 10 years what do you expect? I can't wait to see all the BS empty threats of "I'm switching carriers cause of this!!" and all the petitions and suing that will come about because people can't deal with change or get their way.
They still have the better prices the most Android phone and the better selection PLUS unlimited data still. So jump ship if you like or have the balls to BUT don't come back *****ing about the higher prices and tiered plans.
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Things change and after 10 years what do you expect? I can't wait to see all the BS empty threats of "I'm switching carriers cause of this!!" and all the petitions and suing that will come about because people can't deal with change or get their way.
They still have the better prices the most Android phone and the better selection PLUS unlimited data still. So jump ship if you like or have the balls to BUT don't come back *****ing about the higher prices and tiered plans.
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Lol agreed and will be interesting to see all the threats and what not.
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Things change and after 10 years what do you expect? I can't wait to see all the BS empty threats of "I'm switching carriers cause of this!!" and all the petitions and suing that will come about because people can't deal with change or get their way.
They still have the better prices the most Android phone and the better selection PLUS unlimited data still. So jump ship if you like or have the balls to BUT don't come back *****ing about the higher prices and tiered plans.
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I can see people changing over this.
Sprint is slowly but surely eliminating what makes them the better choice.
Also, with the change of the yearly upgrades for all and then this change shortly after, that will leave a bad taste in some people's mouth.
Which will likely lead to people switching.
Sprint has a bad enough imagine as it is, they don't need to add this to their rep sheet.
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They still have the better prices the most Android phone and the better selection PLUS unlimited data still. So jump ship if you like or have the balls to BUT don't come back *****ing about the higher prices and tiered plans.
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I see this brought up so many times when a carrier makes a change. "They still have A, B, and C; they're still better than X, Y, and Z!"
Better prices, only if you can't get a better discount elsewhere. Better selection is purely subjective. The only thing they have going for them is unlimited data and WiMax, and if you don't live in a WiMax area, that's practically useless.
Also, if you think that unlimited data is going to stay, then more power to you. I, for one, see the writing on the wall. They'll go to throttled data speeds like T-Mobile, or they'll start capping. It makes the most business sense, especially given how much they care about customer loyalty at this point.
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I was wondering, now that they are making these changes does that mean we have a window to cancel our contracts with no etf? If so how long does that window stay open? I was looking to pick up the bionic for the LTE and I am willing to gamble that unlimited data is not going to last so there is nothing keeping me with sprint and it would be nice to skip the 70 etf lol
I think so..
I know the premier thing is not on contract but everything else is right?
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Just read over on Engadget how Sprint lost $760 million last quarter. Why do you think they continually do so bad? Is it because of poor sales or poor business/financial decisions (debt left over from merger or otherwise)? Their coverage is awesome, their 3G speeds are often better than Verizon's, they have 4G on tap, customer service has never given me any trouble, I can upgrade my phone annually, and the plans offer way more features and are still cheaper than the competition. The list is endless, there's really no other carrier I'd rather be on. Do others not feel the same way? Is their marketing failing?
I feel the same way. Their advertisements always seem good. I feel like they don't advertise as heavily as any of the other carriers here.
Maybe from all the expanding and changes they've done? Don't know though. I haven't had any problems at all. Their customer service always corrects problems, even crediting a lot of charges back.. and coverage is good. A lot happier then I was with at&t
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I'm sure the cost of upgrading to 4G has a lot to do with it. Plus I am ripping them off with my unlimited everything for $65 a month!!
Profit for a business is bad...profit=have to pay taxes!
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Profit for a business is bad...profit=have to pay taxes!
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Sound your logic is not..
Sprint screwed themselves and are still recovering from that terrible decision to merge with nextel.
It's because Sprint spends billions of dollars on Nascar instead of it's network.
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It's because Sprint spends billions of dollars on Nascar instead of it's network.
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ROFL!!!!!!!
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It's because Sprint spends billions of dollars on Nascar instead of it's network.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
It wasnt until recently that they had good phones. I remember a few years back, most of their phones were garbage. Everyone jumpped ship and moved to ATT due to the fact that you could pull the sim card, and switch phones as you pleased. All the phones from Asia were flocking over to the US and everyone had some new Nokia, Ericson, or some other great phone.
Sprint had junk. Some of us probably rode that out, and FINALLY they are getting some good phones...I've been on Sprint for almost 12 years now. I did move to VZW for 2 years, but ended up coming back to Sprint.
makes you wonder how they are even sustainable loosing that type of money every quarter.
The Nextel merger is STILL hurting them badly. Plus, they offer the cheapest plans but for the longest time they did not have the devices people wanted. Now they have the devices but people are stuck in contracts with other carriers. Another thing is advertisement and word of mouth. Sprint has never had the most eye-catching commercials. Us former Palm Pre users know the effect bad or no advertisement can hurt you. And I agree, the Nascar thing is wasted money when you have to spend more money rolling out 4G nationwide.
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I'm sure the cost of upgrading to 4G has a lot to do with it. Plus I am ripping them off with my unlimited everything for $65 a month!!
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They're ripping you off charging you $65 a month for what cost them >$10 a month actually (after negating handset subsidies of course).
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They're ripping you off charging you $65 a month for what cost them >$10 a month actually (after negating handset subsidies of course).
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Yeah, it's obvious Sprint is making a killing off of their subscribers since they are rolling in profits *eyeroll*
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Has ANYONE even clicked on the Nascar icon on their phone?
I suspect no one.
Nascar fans are not technology nerds like us.
Customer service is complete garbage where I'm at.
Compared to other company's there plans are pretty cheap 10 for data with smartphone (or is it 4g) and mostly everyone else is 25-30.
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My opinion is that when they took nextel under their wing, nextel was bleeding money like a stuck pig. I think nextel is still bleeding, and now they are siphoning sprint dry.
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1. Inexpensive plans
2. Good customer service
3. Yearly phone upgrades
Its sad but maybe being a "better" company can actually hurt your bottom line. Don't forget that Verizon lost money last quarter too.
So this has been coming up a lot and I want to make something VERY clear to a few members on here who wish to back up Sprint/Evo whenever possible without looking at the facts.
Most of the members on here flame other people who complain about the extra $10 a month charge. I have been here, I have seen it and from day one I have been against the extra fee. Members have been so harsh and irrational as to say "Idiot you signed up without reading the contract?" or "Obviously said an extra $10 you don't HAVE to get this phone" etc etc etc.
Fine. You win. We didn't have to get this phone nor Sprint etc.
But let me make something VERY f*****g clear.
Sprint outlined that we pay an extra $10 for a "richer data experience" and "truly unlimited bandwidth". Now, the same logic applies to Sprint. So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought. Clearly we pay an EXTRA amount for nothing other than Sprint to capitalize on their 'new iPhone killer'.
Lets face the facts:
Sprint clearly outlined our Evos to have unlimited bandwidth usage and that is the bottom line on the deal. A lot of members need to get off Sprints nuts and realize they are a mega corporation just like anyone else. If they had the iPhone they would be hijacking their prices and capping their bandwidth just to make extra cash too. This is how companies work.
If you need more evidence look into computer hardware. Currently, AMD is considered the best price/performance valued CPU on the market. There are a TON of AMD fanbois going around saying "we support AMD because they are an amazing corporation that does not cheat their customers like Intel does"
Bull****. When AMD was on top they were selling their native quad cores @ 1,000 when Intel was selling theirs for ~ 400. These server markets were untapped and AMD had the performance advantage. Now the tides have turned and people support AMD for the other reason.
The point I'm trying to make is there is a lot of FANBOISM going on in these forums. I have accepted it with phones but when people start to do it with carriers it just pisses me off. Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being f****d by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
All in all, if Sprint cant back up their 'truly unlimited extra $10 a month b***hit' then let them fail - that is how capitalism works. The consumers get shafted with ****ty prices but we also get the best that the producers are willing to offer at the time.
Viva la download.
Dude, most of the people that don't agree live in the UK and frequent these boards.
What came first, the fanboi or the anti-fanboi?
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What came first, the fanboi or the anti-fanboi?
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.. same goes for religion.. .. LAFF
I did argue with the sales man about why should I pay extra for 4g because I'm a two hour drive from the nearest 4g coverage.
Oh Noooo! I never realized I was paying an extra $10/mo.
My goodness, that's almost 34 cents a day!!
I'm gonna have to give up 2 trips to Starbucks every month.
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Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being ****ed by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
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No, the service is much different. CDMA is much stronger here than GSM. I have, many times, seen ATT/T-Mobile phones drop coverage completely while I wouldn't even loose data on my EVO. Metro isn't in my area, but Cricket is sh!t and not just in my area, everywhere. Dropped calls everywhere, hidden charges, ect. Also, I have had FANTASTIC customer service with Sprint and terrible customer service with ATT. I have not used Verizon or T-Mobile in a long time so I cannot comment on their customer service.
Honestly, yes we are paying MORE than the service costs, otherwise why would they provide that service? It costs about $6/month to provide service to a customer for the major carriers, possibly less. The point of ANY business is to convince the consumer that what they are buying is worth more that it actually is, which they have successfully done. It is worse in the wireless industry because there is much less government regulation, which is slowly changing. Other countries DO NOT have far better speeds on wireless networks, the US has the most robust 4G network in the world, though it is still weak. Wired connections are a different story, but we are not talking about that.
As bad as it may sound, our economy is based on deception of the consumer to maximize profits, that is just how capitalism works. Also, I really don't mind paying the $10 surcharge, 5 EVOs on Sprint (or EPICs) would cost $240/month while Verizon would cost $300/month and ATT would cost you $245/month (note that is for 2GB per phone and not unlimited) and T-Mobile costs you $250/month. And those prices are for the lowest minutes possible, while on Sprint we get any mobile. Now, I'm not going to say Sprint is the end all for all carriers, it is possible for any of the carriers to change their policies and prices. I have changed carriers 3 times, Verizon to T-Mobile, to ATT, to Sprint and have never been more satisfied with my service. That is partly due to the increased footprint of all networks, not just Sprint, but not only reception, full service.
@OP,
While this is a good topic for discussion, please try to keep the tone of your language down a bit. Thanks.
Is this argument still going on? It's a service. The company offering the service puts a price on it. If you find the service worth the price then you should buy it. If you think it is overpriced for the value you will gain out of it, then you should not buy it.
I personally find it worth $10 to have access to any city-wide Wimax hotspot as well as uncapped 3G data. That's why I bought the phone and the associated plan. Either way it is cheaper than similar Wimax-less and capped plans on Verizon or AT&T.
If you don't use a ton of data or Wimax then maybe you should buy one off contract and then activate it or maybe pick another phone/plan.
The world isn't perfect. Most things are a compromise. Ultimately the minutiae of high end wireless data plans and devices is a first world problem and I prefer to save my energy for other things.
Your mileage may vary.
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While this is a good topic for discussion, please try to keep the tone of your language down a bit. Thanks.
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I disagree. OP starts threads looking for emotional reaction far too often for me to take this thread seriously.
Ha, dude, get over it. If you think other countries have better service and cheaper prices, then GO THERE...and to another forum.
One less winy, self-righteous individual clouding up the forums with their worthless rants.
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So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought.
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Should I reply or shouldn't I? Ok, I'll bite.
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So this has been coming up a lot and I want to make something VERY clear to a few members on here who wish to back up Sprint/Evo whenever possible without looking at the facts....
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But let me make something VERY f*****g clear.
Sprint outlined that we pay an extra $10 for a "richer data experience" and "truly unlimited bandwidth". Now, the same logic applies to Sprint. So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought. Clearly we pay an EXTRA amount for nothing other than Sprint to capitalize on their 'new iPhone killer'.
Lets face the facts:
Sprint clearly outlined our Evos to have unlimited bandwidth usage and that is the bottom line on the deal. A lot of members need to get off Sprints nuts and realize they are a mega corporation just like anyone else. If they had the iPhone they would be hijacking their prices and capping their bandwidth just to make extra cash too. This is how companies work...
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The point I'm trying to make is there is a lot of FANBOISM going on in these forums. I have accepted it with phones but when people start to do it with carriers it just pisses me off. Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being f****d by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
All in all, if Sprint cant back up their 'truly unlimited extra $10 a month b***hit' then let them fail - that is how capitalism works. The consumers get shafted with ****ty prices but we also get the best that the producers are willing to offer at the time.
Viva la download.
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I'm a fanboi because I think the $10 charge is legitamate? OK, let's go over it again. Devices that have the premium data fee do give you a richer experience. If you just want unlimited data, get yourself a Hero or Moment, and avoid that extra $10 fee. What does the $10 get you? Well, Sprint charges $29.99 for the hotspot feature on the evo and epic, but without the EVO or Epic, you would need the Overdrive from Sprint to acheive the same functionality, which would cost you $60/month. The extra $10/month on the Evo/Epic gives you access to this same functionality for half the price.
The $10 also gives you access to devices with a front facing camera, which gives a much better experience with video chat applications, and lets not forget the access to nationwide wimax access (which just opened up where my office is, and I'm consistently pulling 7mb down. Again, if you don't feel that those items are any type of enhancement, or worth $10, go with a hero or moment, or hell, even the i1 - those are all android devices on sprint where you can get unlimited data without the $10 fee or access to what that $10 gets you.
As far as abusing the unlimited data goes, it's not that people are using the unlimited data that is causing the issue - by all means, use that data, after all, it's included in the plan. What will eventually screw us all over is the fact that people are using the unlimited data, and abusing the prohibited network usage clause in their contracts while doing so.
You're right, Sprint is just another big corporation. That's the whole point. Now that people are abusing the probited network usage clause, and not only using wireless tething for free and using it their main connection to the internet at home, but are also using it for things like torrents, and just to see how much they can actually download for the hell of it, there becmes a point where it no longer makes financial sense for them to offer unlimited data so cheap (compared to the other carriers) - and then we all lose out.
edit - and I never called anyone stupid, either.
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I really just can't help myself sometimes.
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I really just can't help myself sometimes.
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except for you, you can feed the troll...
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Why do people even complain? Don't like the pricing or how the company is setup, pick up your crap and go to the next carrier. I don't pay for anything I don't find value in
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If you weren't aware of the $10 charge or didnt pay attention cuz you were too excited about getting your new phone, THATS YOUR FAULT! Not Sprint's. Just like what's been said before, Sprint offers other Android phones that don't come with an extra $10 fee. If it bothers you that much, sell your EVO on Craigslist or eBay and buy one of them.
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I'm a fanboi because I think the $10 charge is legitamate? OK, let's go over it again. Devices that have the premium data fee do give you a richer experience. If you just want unlimited data, get yourself a Hero or Moment, and avoid that extra $10 fee.
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You know...I don't "like" paying an extra $10, but I feel it is fully worth it.
As of a week ago, I have an add a line with a hero. First android phone for my gf, and she has been on the thing constantly. Guess what? Light usage for me and I have used three times the data in an identical time frame. The two ROMS I downloaded were on 4G so they don't add to the total.
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If you weren't aware of the $10 charge or didnt pay attention cuz you were too excited about getting your new phone, THATS YOUR FAULT! Not Sprint's. Just like what's been said before, Sprint offers other Android phones that don't come with an extra $10 fee. If it bothers you that much, sell your EVO on Craigslist or eBay and buy one of them.
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Yeah ok... I was never told about it when I purchased. Also.. signing the contract was digital so I saw nothing on any fees or pricing. Hell I didn't even know about it when I went on this forum. Again. I'm not really mad about paying for it.. not at all... but not everyone was told about it.. I gave him my info. Was told to sign twice on the electric pad and picked the 69.99 package. Turned my phone on and activated, printed out the contract form and told me thanks for joining sprint.. so you tell me when I was told about it. The package says unlimited data. I asked a Rep at the store and its for 4g service and owning a premium smartphone. Nothing about unlimited data? I was told I could go to blackerry and have same plan and have "unlimited 3g" so again its for 4g and owning the already paid for phone. I rather pay 10 bucks even if not here if it helps get it faster in Wisconsin. But don't say its for the unlimited data crap.. or they told you.. because not everyone was told about it.
Edit: the printed contract was stuff in the bag with the evolution box as soon as it printed and handed to me thanking for choosing sprint. So again never seen a contract.
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Yeah ok... I was never told about it when I purchased. Also.. signing the contract was digital so I saw nothing on any fees or pricing. Hell I didn't even know about it when I went on this forum. Again. I'm not really mad about paying for it.. not at all... but not everyone was told about it.. I gave him my info. Was told to sign twice on the electric pad and picked the 69.99 package. Turned my phone on and activated, printed out the contract form and told me thanks for joining sprint.. so you tell me when I was told about it. The package says unlimited data. I asked a Rep at the store and its for 4g service and owning a premium smartphone. Nothing about unlimited data? I was told I could go to blackerry and have same plan and have "unlimited 3g" so again its for 4g and owning the already paid for phone. I rather pay 10 bucks even if not here if it helps get it faster in Wisconsin. But don't say its for the unlimited data crap.. or they told you.. because not everyone was told about it.
Edit: the printed contract was stuff in the bag with the evolution box as soon as it printed and handed to me thanking for choosing sprint. So again never seen a contract.
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I never mentioned anything in post about "contract". I'm not trying to argue or call you out, I'm simply saying the tiniest bit of research of the phone prior to purchase would've revealed the extra $10 charge. It was displayed on Sprint and BB's websites. I never saw a contact or was ever told by the Sprint rep that sold me the phone either.
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http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...lans-this-summer/&category=classic&postPage=1
So sad that companies are doing this, especially just to carry a phone.
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http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...lans-this-summer/&category=classic&postPage=1
So sad that companies are doing this, especially just to carry a phone.
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Yeah, I don't know what to do.
I kinda want to get the EVO3D, but I really like Moto phones... but Sprint is cheaper and has a better plan.
If Moto would come out with a DROID 3 on Sprint I wouldn't even be having this predicament. Or if HTC would make a ridiculously-specced QWERTY phone with Android on Sprint.
so sad, i hope carriers change their mind about how low the cap is
Kinda sucks in a way since I hate it when carriers get the better of customers. As long as I get good Sprint coverage ( and they don't do any stupid **** like this), I'm sticking with them though.
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Sad to think it's only a matter of time before Sprint moves in the same direction. It's inevitable.
Am I the only one seeing it.....what happened to at&t after iPhone dropped? This is only round 2 of the Jobs train. Verizon will soon be another at&t and so will sprint is they're stupid enough to get it. Pretty sad.
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Sad to think it's only a matter of time before Sprint moves in the same direction. It's inevitable.
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I don't know that they can.
They made a commitment to truly unlimited, to go back on it now would damage them as far as PR.
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I don't know that they can.
They made a commitment to truly unlimited, to go back on it now would damage them as far as PR.
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Of course they CAN.
I do hope they stick to their plans for as long as logically possible. But it just seems unrealistic to think that even 5 years from now they'd still be offering truly unlimited data. This is the direction the industry is going in. Sprint will inevitably follow.
I love Sprint and hope they can keep it up for as long as possible, and it's going to be a great reason to start drawing in even more subscribers as everyone else goes the tiered data route. But it's not going to last forever. Or even half of forever ... whatever that is.
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Of course they CAN.
I do hope they stick to their plans for as long as logically possible. But it just seems unrealistic to think that even 5 years from now they'd still be offering truly unlimited data. This is the direction the industry is going in. Sprint will inevitably follow.
I love Sprint and hope they can keep it up for as long as possible, and it's going to be a great reason to start drawing in even more subscribers as everyone else goes the tiered data route. But it's not going to last forever. Or even half of forever ... whatever that is.
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When I speak of "can" I mean with business sense, of course.
Sprint needs to be smart here because that wins you business.
If they're smart and keep to what they claim are their ideals then they can steal away a good chunk from the At&t/Verizon crowd.
They need to maintain their network, keep prices low and keep truly unlimited.
There's only one way to do that: efficiency.
Well, sure. From a business stand point that is all well and good. I get what you're saying but I don't think its that crazy to think that even a few years down the road ( IF that) you start hearing talk of Sprint possibly moving away from true unlimited. At the end of the day you have to keep the boat afloat and you have to weigh the 'money from subscriber numbers' to the possible 'revenue from said subscribers data plans.'
I do think that with their current plans, coupled with other carrier decisions and actions, it can only be a positive for Sprint to keep up the same game. But at the end of the day it is a business. Whatever nets you more of a profit at the end of the year and allows the dream to continue is what gets done. At the end of the day it's all the same, the business has to do what is best for themselves.
I do think it's more important for Sprint because they obviously don't have the numbers that the others do, so even if however many people choose to abandon the network because of tiered data plans, the hit isn't as noticeable. But with Sprint, should people start jumping ship en masse due to their network issues then it obviously effects Sprint more because of the smaller numbers.
I'm not saying Sprint couldn't afford to do it, I get that it would make more sense for them to stick with their current guns - especially in the face of everyone else changing their plans up. And time will tell just how many people actually jump from Verizon / AT&T / T-Mobile to Sprint because of their unlimited data plans. It's not like people are jumping on at record numbers.
Either way, it's still going to happen. Just a matter of time.
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When I speak of "can" I mean with business sense, of course.
Sprint needs to be smart here because that wins you business.
If they're smart and keep to what they claim are their ideals then they can steal away a good chunk from the At&t/Verizon crowd.
They need to maintain their network, keep prices low and keep truly unlimited.
There's only one way to do that: efficiency.
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I think their network is the only thing holding them back and that's my only complaint.. I work for at&t land line and even with my measly 20% discount, I still pay less with sprint shared plan
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I wouldn't go as far as to claim that.
I would be interested to know how much it actually costs a carrier to have truly unlimited versus not.
My guess would be: not jack **** of a difference.
My guess is it's really all about preventing sharing of copyrighted files and what Apple wants. [yet another example why don't own apple products]
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When I speak of "can" I mean with business sense, of course.
Sprint needs to be smart here because that wins you business.
If they're smart and keep to what they claim are their ideals then they can steal away a good chunk from the At&t/Verizon crowd.
They need to maintain their network, keep prices low and keep truly unlimited.
There's only one way to do that: efficiency.
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I dont know why people still believe this exodus to the cheaper/better deal carrier stuff to be true. Sprint and Tmobile have been the cheapest out of the 4 big carriers in the US for probably the past 5 years. Even the fact that you can get almost unlimited calls, texts and data for $69.99 on Sprint still hasnt been enough to sway people from choosing VZW and AT&T instead. Its as simple as looking at the churn and post paid subscriber gains/losses. Sprint and Tmobile are cheaper and still bleed more customers than the big 2.
In the grand scheme of things.. its not going to matter. Sprint still has a stigma tied to its name from the terrible service/customer service they used to have and when people think of Verizon.. they think of the big red map on tv that gets you coverage pretty much everywhere. Same with Tmobile and AT&T... hell Tmobile has unlimited everything plans for like $79.99 and are still bleeding a ****load of customers pretty much every quarter. AT&T has tiered data and high plans, yet still gains post paid customers every quarter. I hope people dont think that just because VZW is going tiered thats going to change. Even with all the changes Sprint has made, their sole reason for the turnaround last year was the Evo. That was a good thing... but at the time the Evo was the first.. AND only of its time. Now you have Evo equivalents and even better coming out on every other carrier.
The whole "first to 4G" thing also helped... but pretty much everyone has it now. Hell even Metro PCS is lighting up LTE in cities now. I would think by now people would realize that its not always the "value" that the masses seek though. Prime example of that, look at how high priced Apple products are but yet.. they cant keep anything they sell in stock and everything they make flies off the shelves. I mean you COULD go get that mp3 player that does the same thing for $100 less... but people dont. You COULD get an Acer tablet instead of the ipad... but people dont. Marketing and perception is reality and thats still a negative in Sprints corner.
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I wouldn't go as far as to claim that.
I would be interested to know how much it actually costs a carrier to have truly unlimited versus not.
My guess would be: not jack **** of a difference.
My guess is it's really all about preventing sharing of copyrighted files and what Apple wants. [yet another example why don't own apple products]
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Hell just look at the huge backhaul issues Sprint is having now. Thats with unlimited data. Let AT&T and/or VZW show that going to a tiered data system cuts costs and I guarantee you at some point Sprint will be doing the same thing.
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I dont know why people still believe this exodus to the cheaper/better deal carrier stuff to be true. Sprint and Tmobile have been the cheapest out of the 4 big carriers in the US for probably the past 5 years. Even the fact that you can get almost unlimited calls, texts and data for $69.99 on Sprint still hasnt been enough to sway people from choosing VZW and AT&T instead. Its as simple as looking at the churn and post paid subscriber gains/losses. Sprint and Tmobile are cheaper and still bleed more customers than the big 2.
In the grand scheme of things.. its not going to matter. Sprint still has a stigma tied to its name from the terrible service/customer service they used to have and when people think of Verizon.. they think of the big red map on tv that gets you coverage pretty much everywhere. Same with Tmobile and AT&T... hell Tmobile has unlimited everything plans for like $79.99 and are still bleeding a ****load of customers pretty much every quarter. AT&T has tiered data and high plans, yet still gains post paid customers every quarter. I hope people dont think that just because VZW is going tiered thats going to change. Even with all the changes Sprint has made, their sole reason for the turnaround last year was the Evo. That was a good thing... but at the time the Evo was the first.. AND only of its time. Now you have Evo equivalents and even better coming out on every other carrier.
The whole "first to 4G" thing also helped... but pretty much everyone has it now. Hell even Metro PCS is lighting up LTE in cities now. I would think by now people would realize that its not always the "value" that the masses seek though. Prime example of that, look at how high priced Apple products are but yet.. they cant keep anything they sell in stock and everything they make flies off the shelves. I mean you COULD go get that mp3 player that does the same thing for $100 less... but people dont. You COULD get an Acer tablet instead of the ipad... but people dont. Marketing and perception is reality and thats still a negative in Sprints corner.
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You hit the nail on the head right there though, it's because of the image Sprint has.
Nothing else.
As far as T-mobile...I know that there are some on here that praise them but their service is dead last.
I think MetroPcs actually has more land coverage now than T-mobile.
If Sprint can change people's minds and stick to their ideals, I see a bright future among the darkness of At&t/Verizon.
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Hell just look at the huge backhaul issues Sprint is having now. Thats with unlimited data. Let AT&T and/or VZW show that going to a tiered data system cuts costs and I guarantee you at some point Sprint will be doing the same thing.
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I don't know but again, let's not speak in absolutes and with 100% belief because we just don't know.
In the first quarter of this yearSprint reported the most customers gained and the fewest lost in years. I'd venture to say that at that time point it wasn't due to the evo or 4g, seems their image and rep are changing as we type.
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I wouldn't go as far as to claim that.
I would be interested to know how much it actually costs a carrier to have truly unlimited versus not.
My guess would be: not jack **** of a difference.
My guess is it's really all about preventing sharing of copyrighted files and what Apple wants. [yet another example why don't own apple products]
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The difference in network usage is enough. When Sprint gets back up, and gets a lot of subscribers, then it'll be interesting to see how they handle the two hand in hand.
Look, I'm all for Sprint ... I've been nothing but happy with Sprint. Data speeds in my area are fine, but when visiting family elsewhere I noticed that for the most part it was hit or miss. Thankfully I wasn't relying on phone usage at that time, or at least network usage. But where it counts, where I happen to live and spend most of my time, I have no complaints. So, naturally, I really do hope they can continue this truly unlimited offering for as long as they can. I'm not assuming they'll drop their plans next year, that would be terrible.
Go ahead and point me to the information convincing yourself that it's 'never' going to happen. It's obviously a known fact that for Sprint to keep their small base happy they have to stand by their word, but should that base grow tremendously so they'll have to start putting more and more money into their network. You have to make money to spend money and you have to come out with a profit to realistically keep said business going.
I don't doubt that Sprint reneging on their current plans in the next year would result in a lethal blow to their business, but down the road? It all depends on how well Sprint continues to grow and improve.
And it also wouldn't be the first time that a business made 'promises' or claimed end goals but had to change for their own good. You don't take a business and run it until it just dies without trying to change your methods. You exhaust all options to keep it afloat. Even with their unlimited data I don't see people flocking to Sprint in record numbers. Not to say people aren't, but it's not some 'write home and write off the other carriers' numbers.
I honestly hope Sprint can keep it up. Do I expect Sprint to have the same data plans 10 years from now? No, I really don't. But I hope I'm wrong!
I have to ask this question. If sprint decided to change it's plans next month before the Evo 3d and stated that if you upgrade you will be rolled into a 2gb or 5 gb plan. 2gb the price is the same and 5gb with a $10.00 increase. How many of you would sign for another two years?
These companies know that phones are our weakness and if you want it bad enough you will sign that contract and pay the upcharge. Simple as that. I am thinking from now on in general that I will just buy my phones straight out from craigslist or ebay because these companies are starting to take advantage at every corner. The new deal with AT&T and Tmobile will make our choices even smaller causing these companies to really bend us over.
Sprint charges more for 4g or premium data and we don't get that. Now if I decide to tether and it goes over 5gb then red flags are thrown up. See they feel like they can stick it to you but when you stick it to them, they drop you like a hot potatoe. When are Americans gonna figure out that these companies are not our friends and at the end of the day the only thing that matters is the Almighty Dollar.
sorry to be off topic, but i'd rail the tmobile girl in a heartbeat...back to topic. Verizon might lower their prices and leave a cap. This would please some people, not me
That weird looking one with the horse mouth? Interesting ...
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Just read the U.S is trying to block AT&T from purchasing T-Mo...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44341803/ns/business-us_business/
lets hope for the best!!!
For the best... Well let's hope that they can't buy T-Mo... and then let's hope for a judged ordered break down of AT&T.... now that would be awesome! Worst case scenarios... AT&T wins and merges T-Mo... and well look at that everyone PRICES go up to par
Yep we'll see. This doesn't mean the merger is completely stopped, but its a big step in the right direction!
Problem is, DT still doesn't want T-Mobile USA, what will they do?
Hey Google...got a little extra cash?
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I kinda feel sorry for all those people who jumped ship at the first announcment and are now stuck with verizon...
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Problem is, DT still doesn't want T-Mobile USA, what will they do?
Hey Google...got a little extra cash?
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Haha good luck. If Google tried to buy T-mo there's no way that would ever go through. We can hope though right?
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I kinda feel sorry for all those people who jumped ship at the first announcment and are now stuck with verizon...
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Well that's their problem. They're pretty stupid to have jumped to Verizon. Especially considering that at that point if the merger did go through, they were looking at at least 18 months before they saw anything real happen to T-Mobile as we know them now.
thank god. I got At&T for 24 hours to get the new iPhone after being with T-Mobile for 8 years or so and thought their service sucked at least in Tampa. T-Mo was much faster and hella cheaper. The iPhone sucks, it's is all hype. Android all the way!
Personally, I would like to see one of the providers that use T-Mobile network buy T-Mobile. Tsimple Mobile? Walmart?
Or maybe US Cellular or other regional player can get bigger?
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I can understand the sentiments between the services of T-mo and AT&T, but I'm simply looking at this from a bigger picture.
If passed, this means the USA is going more in the direction most people never wanted it to go. Government intervention between our personal, and business lives when, sometimes, there isn't anything to intervene about -- AT&T and T-mobile are big boys, they might not make the best decisions that all their customers approve of, but for the most part they should be able to settle it themselves amicably.
Next thing you know, this situation paves the road for the government managing industries like a nagging granny.
All in all, this looks good in the immediate focus, but not in the prospective future. Who wants things being held at a stop point?
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I can understand the sentiments between the services of T-mo and AT&T, but I'm simply looking at this from a bigger picture.
If passed, this means the USA is going more in the direction most people never wanted it to go. Government intervention between our personal, and business lives when, sometimes, there isn't anything to intervene about -- AT&T and T-mobile are big boys, they might not make the best decisions that all their customers approve of, but for the most part they should be able to settle it themselves amicably.
Next thing you know, this situation paves the road for the government managing industries like a nagging granny.
All in all, this looks good in the immediate focus, but not in the prospective future. Who wants things being held at a stop point?
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I think most people agree that monopolies are generally not a good thing, no matter which end of the political spectrum you're on.
I was originally all for the merger, but after the "changes" and "streamlining" that AT&T has done so far, I think the government is doing the right thing.
As soon as the merger was approved, AT&T goes ahead and "streamlines" their text plan by giving the customers even LESS options. so now you have to either pay 20c per text and 30c per mms OR pay 20 bucks for unlimited.... They claim that the merger would provide better service for the customers and country but they're showing that the merger would make the customers pay more.
I dont know how true this is, but it technically costs AT&T 1 penny to send 5,000 text messages yet, they charge us 20 cent for 1 text message. So after actions like this, I now am completely opposed to the merger and I hope that it will not go through, so I can switch over to Tmobile when my DZ dies.
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I think most people agree that monopolies are generally not a good thing, no matter which end of the political spectrum you're on.
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if it passes, att would have as much of a monopoly over the US cellular market as android has over the smartphone market right now. It's a decent half, but nowhere near close to the legit term.
I just don't feel it is a good thing for government to intervene, that's my gripe over the issue. It denounces the true meaning for consumer/business capitalism we once hoped to live in.
On a side note, I'm not exactly excited about AT&T fees either. It's a mixed feeling, but I don't let my personal anecdotes get into politics.
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if it passes, att would have as much of a monopoly over the US cellular market as android has over the smartphone market right now. It's a decent half, but nowhere near close to the legit term.
I just don't feel it is a good thing for government to intervene, that's my gripe over the issue. It denounces the true meaning for consumer/business capitalism we once hoped to live in.
On a side note, I'm not exactly excited about AT&T fees either. It's a mixed feeling, but I don't let my personal anecdotes get into politics.
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It would be a GSM monopoly, and effectively a cell carrier duopoly between AT&T and Verizon. Sprint wouldn't stand a chance if AT&T consumed T-mobile, and they'd either be bought out or disappear as well. Its just not a good thing for consumers in any way. I'm very anti-government intervention, but I really think they did the right thing here.
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if it passes, att would have as much of a monopoly over the US cellular market as android has over the smartphone market right now. It's a decent half, but nowhere near close to the legit term.
I just don't feel it is a good thing for government to intervene, that's my gripe over the issue. It denounces the true meaning for consumer/business capitalism we once hoped to live in.
On a side note, I'm not exactly excited about AT&T fees either. It's a mixed feeling, but I don't let my personal anecdotes get into politics.
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If it passed than you are looking at a wide variety of possibilities. The death of Sprint and other small carriers, loss of thousands of jobs...
I hate government intervention as well (i'm not a Pastafarian for nothing), but things like this do need to be investigated. Big corporations almost never care about what's in the best interest of the consumer, and mergers that radically change the landscape like this need to be examined.
AT&T didn't try to do this for the greater good, they did it to line their pockets and have more customers to screw over. They would have had too much influence in the wireless market.
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on NPR, they said AT&T promised that it would move 5000 call center jobs back to the US, and NO T-Mobile call center people would loose their jobs. I'm not a fan of AT&T and would prolly switch to Sprint once the merger happens. BUT, wouldn't AT&T have to honor all the current contracts at those rates and services and grandfather them for renewal? So if your T-Mo now, you would be able to stay at your current plan indefinitely? It would just effect new customers..no? Plus i've an upgrade available and have been eyeballing the Ruby So would rather not have to switch carriers.
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thank god. I got At&T for 24 hours to get the new iPhone after being with T-Mobile for 8 years or so and thought their service sucked at least in Tampa. T-Mo was much faster and hella cheaper. The iPhone sucks, it's is all hype. Android all the way!
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Lol I live I'm Tampa but my service is great
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BUT, wouldn't AT&T have to honor all the current contracts at those rates and services and grandfather them for renewal? So if your T-Mo now, you would be able to stay at your current plan indefinitely? It would just effect new customers..no?
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technically yes.
but here's how they usually change it on you. You are welcome to continue with your plan, but if you ever upgrade with AT&T into a 2 year contract for a new phone, you MUST go by their plan, in which case considering that AT&T will probably not change their infrastructure anyways, you would NEED a new phone because tmo uses a completley different set of spectrums and methods than AT&T (1 spectrum for uploads, 1 for downloads as opposed to AT&T's 1 spectrum for up and down).
Your current tmobile phone will not get 3g at all.
so essentially you'll be forced to their new plan and you have no say with what you can pretty much get since you know you have to get their $25, 2gb data plan + voice + $20 unlimited text message for sure. the only choice in this matter is whether you're going to downgrade to 200mb (i think not) and which voice plan will you be using.
so yes, they will honor the old contract, but only if you keep your old phone or buy phones at full price from at&t or somewhere else that works with at&t's bands.
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on NPR, they said AT&T promised that it would move 5000 call center jobs back to the US, and NO T-Mobile call center people would loose their jobs. I'm not a fan of AT&T and would prolly switch to Sprint once the merger happens. BUT, wouldn't AT&T have to honor all the current contracts at those rates and services and grandfather them for renewal? So if your T-Mo now, you would be able to stay at your current plan indefinitely? It would just effect new customers..no? Plus i've an upgrade available and have been eyeballing the Ruby So would rather not have to switch carriers.
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I'm sure they would honor it, but having technologies that don't work together would require a lot of people to "upgrade" and sign a new contract with different rates.
As for the jobs, yes they may have the call center jobs, but what about techs, or duplication of retail stores within a certain area. How many of those would be shut down and people lose their jobs? If they really cared about bringing the jobs home and not just cash, they would've done it already.
To me it just looks like AT&T trying to prevent themselves from sinking in the long run. T-Mobile brought out 4G first, Verizon got the iPhone. Other than having the iPhone first, I don't really see much coming out of them. If this doesn't go through, it wouldn't surprise me to see Spring getting a much larger market share in the next 3-7 years.
On a side note, saw this on bloomberg this morning:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...h-new-t-mobile-buyer-real-m-a.html?cmpid=yhoo
T-mobile to lose $12billion if merger is or isn't done, already lost 600,000+ subscribers and income down 55% since 2011.. holy hell!
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On a side note, saw this on bloomberg this morning:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...h-new-t-mobile-buyer-real-m-a.html?cmpid=yhoo
T-mobile to lose $12billion if merger is or isn't done, already lost 600,000+ subscribers and income down 55% since 2011.. holy hell!
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I think it was pretty well known that T-mobile (and Sprint) is in a really tough spot right now. Neither company has been making money or increasing subscribers in a long long time.
After waiting for the one x for months, I am disgusted with what they delivered. Tons of issues out of the box, no unlocked bootloader, no sd card, and miserable multitasking. Sprint is getting the s4 lte one x with bootloader unlock, and ad card. Verizon is getting it also with possibly a s5 cpu.
Any recommendations on sprint vs Verizon as far as service quality and price for the ny metro/long island area?
I can't stomach giving Att more money after the CEO received a 22 million dollar bonus for a FAILED merger with tmobile that cost Att 4 billion dollars + in penalties. The customers get to foot the bill for his incompetence, and he gets rewarded 22 million for costing us 4billion+? Ponderous. Enough is enough already with this garbage. And on top of it all, we get a failure of a phone, while sprint and Verizon will again get the better equipment! Screw Att, I am done with those thieves.
Any feedback is appreciated.
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After waiting for the one x for months, I am disgusted with what they delivered. Tons of issues out of the box, no unlocked bootloader, no sd card, and miserable multitasking. Sprint is getting the s4 lte one x with bootloader unlock, and ad card. Verizon is getting it also with possibly a s5 cpu.
Any recommendations on sprint vs Verizon as far as service quality and price for the ny metro/long island area?
I can't stomach giving Att more money after the CEO received a 22 million dollar bonus for a FAILED merger with tmobile that cost Att 4 billion dollars + in penalties. The customers get to foot the bill for his incompetence, and he gets rewarded 22 million for costing us 4billion+? Ponderous. Enough is enough already with this garbage. And on top of it all, we get a failure of a phone, while sprint and Verizon will again get the better equipment! Screw Att, I am done with those thieves.
Any feedback is appreciated.
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You can go to sprints website and view a map of their coverage. Same for verizon. However it should go without saying that the coverage should be next to perfect since not only are you in a very busy but city but also a well known area. I live in Atlanta, GA and Sprint 4G is golden over here. There are small pocket areas where coverage drops. And some where it drops for sprint too. As for local deals and plans you will have to check that in your area. It varies. I did break my contract with ATT though and switched to sprint. I had a hefty ETF to pay but it was worth it. Unlimited data, text, and tethering is worth it. I also like Sprint's tight google voice integration. I was using it on ATT and it was really limited but it's much more integrated on sprint.
So for me it was worth it. Love my Epic Touch 4G. To give ATT a little bit of credit they do seem to be snatching up some in demand android phones. I had no idea that ATT's version of the HTCOneX was that different either. This whole "lets change the internals of the phone for every carrier" is really annoying. The Epic Touch 4G looks different from the galaxy s2 skyrocket. And I think the global version is different too. The only downside about sprint's epic touch 4G is no NFC
But GS3 is coming soon. Hope this helped.
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I can't stomach giving Att more money after the CEO received a 22 million dollar bonus for a FAILED merger with tmobile that cost Att 4 billion dollars + in penalties.
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This type of thing happens at all telecom companies. Enjoy having no LTE over at Sprint.
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And on top of it all, we get a failure of a phone, while sprint and Verizon will again get the better equipment!
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It happens all the time. In a year at&t will get the sweet device and Sprint users will be sad. I haven't noticed any major trends in who gets what equipment amongst the major carriers... and Sprint. Well besides the iphone. Would I change if I really wanted a device at another company? Maybe. I have an unlimited data contract and a corporate discount though so I can't really see anyone giving me a better deal.
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This type of thing happens at all telecom companies. Enjoy having no LTE over at Sprint.
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AT&T LTE is kinda laughable though. I wish they left HSPA+ alone in the One X and gave me a quad-core instead.
Verizon in coverage and LTE. Sprint with prices and unlimited data.
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Verizon in coverage and LTE. Sprint with prices and unlimited data.
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This.
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T-Mobile is where it's at! I have their value plan and pay $70 a month after taxes for unlimited everything and 2 GB of 4G. Can't beat that.
Not sure where you're getting your info, OP, but Verizon's CEO just put out a press release stating that VZ will not be getting any new HTC phones in the short term, namely the HTC One series.
It depends on what your needs are. Do you use your data alot? Do you need the fast LTE speeds? Do you need a lot of minutes? Obviously phone choice is a huge deciding factor. All those questions could help us help you.
I have unlimited(limited) data and need 5gb+, need 900 minutes, would love lte(not a dealbreaker), 500+ text messages, free mobile to mobile calling, and be less than what I'm paying now, about $97.
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And Verizon is going to get a "one x" phone, it just won't be marketed as that. Look for a HTC phone similar in specs to LTE one x, but with a newer version CPU called S4 PRO(with new 320 gpu). Removable battery, sd card slot, 4.7" or bigger display.
Not confirmed of course, just adds up from various info and comments that have been made by qcomm, Verizon, and HTC. The biggest being they are due to release the replacement for the rezound in Q3. Everyone is bringing the 4.7"+slcd2 screen with qcomm s4 lte to market because it is a great combo, I don't think Big Red will miss out on the fun.
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I can't stomach giving Att more money after the CEO received a 22 million dollar bonus for a FAILED merger with tmobile that cost Att 4 billion dollars + in penalties. The customers get to foot the bill for his incompetence, and he gets rewarded 22 million for costing us 4billion+? Ponderous. Enough is enough already with this garbage. And on top of it all, we get a failure of a phone, while sprint and Verizon will again get the better equipment! Screw Att, I am done with those thieves.
Any feedback is appreciated.
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First of all, you can thank your new BFF "Sprint" for having a hand in that.
Asides from having really huge balls, I can't see how a failed merger undermines his abilities as a CEO? How do you think mergers work?
And unless you sir, own a significant amount of shares in AT&T, I don't understand how any of that $4 billion is even remotely 'yours'. Everything the company charges you are in exchange for their services, not stocks.
Lastly, could you provide me with an example where it shows the penalty fee being relayed onto the customer?
Thanks!
if you just want a lower monthly bill, I would try calling customer service, follow the prompts until you hear the one for cancel you account press 5, etc., it will direct you to the correct person, then say you're thinking about canceling because its too expensive, they will probably offer you some disscounts. last time I did it, they gave me $20 off credit for 6 months, free messaging 6 months, and a one time $40 credit I think.
worth a shot.
Ive been with them 6 years, I like GSM for the fact I can buy and use international devices, I dont like how they put non LTE unlmited plans on 3GB.
Every 1 of the big 4 has its pros and cons.
Agree about the gsm benefits.
And where dou think the 4 billion is coming from? Us. And we will pay twice, the 4bil+ in fines, and another 4bil+ to build the network he failed to acquire. I have a big problem with the "liar" receiving 22mil for failing. A better reward would have been a pink slip like everyone else would have received. Look up Randall Stephensons comments, he flat out lies, and had no clue how anything actually works. Just another entitled wall street moron ruining a great company in order to line their pockets via wall street. This is exactly why America is failing. Provide the lowest quality as long as it means higher stock prices. And even well performing stocks don't keep up with inflation, resulting in stealing from customers, as well as the shareholders. Do the research and WAKE UP ALREADY. STOP ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BE CONNED BY WALL STREET AND THE ENTITLED ULTRA RICH!
Any one here get a 22million bonus after costing your company 4+bil? No, you would have been fired!
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c5satellite2 said:
Agree about the gsm benefits.
And where dou think the 4 billion is coming from? Us. And we will pay twice, the 4bil+ in fines, and another 4bil+ to build the network he failed to acquire. I have a big problem with the "liar" receiving 22mil for failing. A better reward would have been a pink slip like everyone else would have received. Look up Randall Stephensons comments, he flat out lies, and had no clue how anything actually works. Just another entitled wall street moron ruining a great company in order to line their pockets via wall street. This is exactly why America is failing. Provide the lowest quality as long as it means higher stock prices. And even well performing stocks don't keep up with inflation, resulting in stealing from customers, as well as the shareholders. Do the research and WAKE UP ALREADY. STOP ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BE CONNED BY WALL STREET AND THE ENTITLED ULTRA RICH!
Any one here get a 22million bonus after costing your company 4+bil? No, you would have been fired!
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Oh god, are you one of those antiwallstreet idiots 99 percenters camping?
I won't even bother arguing the logistics with you and pointing out your failed logic on the nature of economics. Have a good day.
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Guesss you are a Wall Street(rigged casino) idiot. I can't stand occupy, it is a scam funded by certain political groups to pass more regulations.
The market doesn't keep up with inflation. Good luck giving your money to the rich. Effing economists.
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Contrary to popular beliefs,
Economists are more likely to be liberals.
But your statements are hollow and illogical. Even a bleeding heart would disagree with what you're stating.
By your logic, you're stating company revenue=customer investment.
You paid for a service, NOT for investment shares. Your service charges do not accrue to company shares. Once that money is paid and becomes company profit/revenue they can do whatever the hell they wanna do with it and no legal obligation binds them to spend it in your best interest. The loss is the company's loss, not your loss.
I don't understand how market parity and inflation has anything to do with this.
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God I hate liberals and their phony agenda. They claim to be liberal, want a million rules and regs, and tell you what to do. The only thing they are libral with is other peoples money. Anyone need more social assistance programs?
Don't like either Republicans or Democrats, they are all liars.
How about following the constitution and logic? Political parties only divide us as Americans and prevent anything from getting done.
Rep and Dem both laugh at us together all the way to the bank. Any more ultra rich need a billion dollar "bailout"?
We pay for all this crap. Period. We the people, not we the minority ultra rich!
Defend these morons all you want. Try looking past the curtain, there is more to it than what they let you see. You are being fleeced every day. Stand up for yourself, stop accepting what they "give" you. Earn what is yours, and don't let them steal it. I work 3 jobs. I work hard. I don't ask for handouts. Corporate America takes what they want, from who they want, and when they want. They run companies into the ground only to receive bonuses and bailouts. Enough is enough. I stand up for myself. You will not stand in my way.
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This has to be the funniest thread I've read in a while, and I've been a lurker on this site since 2009, but ultimately you're going to be footing the bill for your foot out the door. Either way, by your logic, you're going to be losing money. Unless you can convince a friendly CS Rep to cancel your contract without the ETF. Here's a hint: I wouldn't rattle on about the reasons you're leaving and instead make up a blatent lie. Also, put on your super nice voice.... if you have one.
Sprint, NO
its horrible. So-Called 4g