First off, I'd like to thank everyone on XDA trying to make modifications to the Atrix. You all have done an exceptional job.
I've owned an Atrix since Early March, upgrading from an iPhone 3G. When I got it, I was very excited at the new possibilities Android gave me for customizing my phone, increasing performance, etc. By the way, this upgrade is a huge step up from my iPhone 3G in terms of performance.
But.
It seems like Android as a whole doesn't really feel like the smartphone experience I hoped for. Sure, I have a laptop dock, it runs most Linux programs compiled for ARM, people are impressed. But the user interface on the phone, the errant bugs on stock builds (I'm using Alien, so no exactly stock, but it also has its downsides), and the apps on the Android Market just don't feel as nice as iOS or Windows Phone 7 (those are the only two mobile OSes I've used). It probably has a lot to do with the large manufacturer control over software instead of Google, the lack of a lot of hardware acceleration in most applications and the user interface (for now, I know!), and overall lack of programming aptitude of some Android developers (There are some damn good apps on Android compared to Apple's Appstore too, but I'm going to have to give this trophy to iOS, and inherently Objective-C).
Granted, I haven't tried CM7 or MIUI largely due to me needing webtop mode for classes (has anyone tried porting that to CM7 yet?). Yes, Ice Cream Sandwich will probably be a hell of a lot better than pretty much any OS out there right now.
I'm very tired right now so this may be long-winded, but in my opinion, it seems like Google and Android phone manufacturers are behind the game right now. Performance can get abysmal if you're on stock, but if you've unlocked your bootloader and installed a fresh ROM, the experience can get a little wacked.
Thoughts? Comments? Rebuttals? I'm all for it.
paravorheim said:
First off, I'd like to thank everyone on XDA trying to make modifications to the Atrix. You all have done an exceptional job.
I've owned an Atrix since Early March, upgrading from an iPhone 3G. When I got it, I was very excited at the new possibilities Android gave me for customizing my phone, increasing performance, etc. By the way, this upgrade is a huge step up from my iPhone 3G in terms of performance.
But.
It seems like Android as a whole doesn't really feel like the smartphone experience I hoped for. Sure, I have a laptop dock, it runs most Linux programs compiled for ARM, people are impressed. But the user interface on the phone, the errant bugs on stock builds (I'm using Alien, so no exactly stock, but it also has its downsides), and the apps on the Android Market just don't feel as nice as iOS or Windows Phone 7 (those are the only two mobile OSes I've used). It probably has a lot to do with the large manufacturer control over software instead of Google, the lack of a lot of hardware acceleration in most applications and the user interface (for now, I know!), and overall lack of programming aptitude of some Android developers (There are some damn good apps on Android compared to Apple's Appstore too, but I'm going to have to give this trophy to iOS, and inherently Objective-C).
Granted, I haven't tried CM7 or MIUI largely due to me needing webtop mode for classes (has anyone tried porting that to CM7 yet?). Yes, Ice Cream Sandwich will probably be a hell of a lot better than pretty much any OS out there right now.
I'm very tired right now so this may be long-winded, but in my opinion, it seems like Google and Android phone manufacturers are behind the game right now. Performance can get abysmal if you're on stock, but if you've unlocked your bootloader and installed a fresh ROM, the experience can get a little wacked.
Thoughts? Comments? Rebuttals? I'm all for it.
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As much as I respect ur opinion. What bugs and what app problems are u facing?
Because I had the Alien Rom for more than a month and it was smooth as butter and very responsive.
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In my opinion, it seems like Google and Android phone manufacturers are behind the game right now.
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This is my thoughts exactly. After going through 5 different Android phones in the last year and then using to iOS when I bought an iPad, it really changed my opinion on Android.
I think Android is a little rough around the edges and could definitely use some improvement.
Personally, I'm jumping ship for the next iPhone. *waits for angry posts*
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This is my thoughts exactly. After going through 5 different Android phones in the last year and then using to iOS when I bought an iPad, it really changed my opinion on Android.
I think Android is a little rough around the edges and could definitely use some improvement.
Personally, I'm jumping ship for the next iPhone. *waits for angry posts*
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That's what I seriously don't like about u iOS lovers. U talk in all the vague terms. Gives a perception that u don't know what u r talking about. Will u ever mention exactly what r ur problems with Android ? A healthy insight would be great. And why not post on xda if u r facing some problems or glitches.
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I don't know. I use android for my personal use. I almost make a living off iPhones.
I'll say one thing
the majority of the dev scene for Apple REVOLVES around jailbreaking and unlocking [and trickles down into free apps] that's pretty much it, yes, there's a lot of homebrew and a lot of work done with apple, but the real hard work goes into unlocking
the majority of the dev scene for Android revolves around improving the core use of the OS and also fixing or tweaking the way hardware is used [such as unlocking frequency bands, fm radio, camera resolutions, battery tweaks, processor or GPU OC/UV, etc]
that should tell you what it comes down to.
Im excited for cm7... but I need webtop!!! So torn. I know the devs are working on a port because cm7 requires stock functionality (webtop and fingerprint scanner) to get official status
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I think my Atrix out of the box is great compared to my Captivate I had...so..it might have something to do with the early builds and how you have your phone set up...that's giving you problems
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I would like to understand why so many people say they "need" webtop, and why so many cannot live without it on this phone. Somebody please answer this. I am pretty sure everyone lived perfectly fine before the Atrix came along, so why the sudden requirement for school and work to "need" webtop?
If you came from the iPhone, you certainly did not have webtop before.
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This is my thoughts exactly. After going through 5 different Android phones in the last year and then using to iOS when I bought an iPad, it really changed my opinion on Android.
I think Android is a little rough around the edges and could definitely use some improvement.
Personally, I'm jumping ship for the next iPhone. *waits for angry posts*
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This really isn't geared at you per say, but to anyone in the market for either an iPhone vs Android I'd say wait till the fall when you can compare iP5 against ICS.
If ICS is all that, then a lot of Atrix users will be "very happy" to put it mildly (and so will their wallets)...
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Here's what it breaks down into.
Do you love modding your phone, choosing where, when, and how things are done on your operating system, being able to have full control over your processes / cpu usage / bandwith consumption? Do you like personal freedoms and choices? Get a phone with an Android operating system.
Do you love....Apple? Get an iphone.
For me, its same as windows Desktops and Laptops comapared to Macs or linux.
When you buy a Dell/HP laptop, you get a ton of crapware. that slows the machine down to a limit that the upgrade seems worthless in some case.
To make it all right, you have format and have a clean vanila install. (at least thats what I do).
On Mac, you get things that are good and apple certified. So, you get a good performing machine from the very first boot.
Our android phones are same as windows laptops/desktops from Dell/HP. CM7 is the clean vanila install for android. and i jumped for the first CM7 prebeta that was available!
I was talking to my brother the other day. He was trying to decide which phone OS to go for his next phone. My basic description went like this:
Apple, will take you by the hand ... and bring you to your destination (smart phone nervana). If you see something along your path, apple will ignore it ... and keep on going.
WP7 (never used it, but from what I can gather) will take you by the hand, and guide you to your destination. If you see something interesting along your path, you can stop, but WP7 will constantly nag you to keep on moving in their direction.
Android, will tell you which direction your destination is in, and say ... good luck.
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I was talking to my brother the other day. He was trying to decide which phone OS to go for his next phone. My basic description went like this:
Apple, will take you by the hand ... and bring you to your destination (smart phone nervana). If you see something along your path, apple will ignore it ... and keep on going.
WP7 (never used it, but from what I can gather) will take you by the hand, and guide you to your destination. If you see something interesting along your path, you can stop, but WP7 will constantly nag you to keep on moving in their direction.
Android, will tell you which direction your destination is in, and say ... good luck.
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THIS IS AWESOME!!!!! I'm stealing it!
bbb90104 said:
I was talking to my brother the other day. He was trying to decide which phone OS to go for his next phone. My basic description went like this:
Apple, will take you by the hand ... and bring you to your destination (smart phone nervana). If you see something along your path, apple will ignore it ... and keep on going.
WP7 (never used it, but from what I can gather) will take you by the hand, and guide you to your destination. If you see something interesting along your path, you can stop, but WP7 will constantly nag you to keep on moving in their direction.
Android, will tell you which direction your destination is in, and say ... good luck.
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Amazing description. LOL !
anupash said:
As much as I respect ur opinion. What bugs and what app problems are u facing?
Because I had the Alien Rom for more than a month and it was smooth as butter and very responsive.
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I've been getting random reboots every couple of days. Whenever the phone stats up again out tells me that there is no sim card so I have to reboot again.
Sometimes the screen will be unresponsive, and a reboot is required. Then I get the no Sim card problem again so I have to reboot a second time.
Pandora doesn't like to be kept in memory very well, which may be am issue of me just needing to reinstall the app.
I'm sure there's more, and definitely many worse problems on my iPhone 3G.
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I don't know. I use android for my personal use. I almost make a living off iPhones.
I'll say one thing
the majority of the dev scene for Apple REVOLVES around jailbreaking and unlocking [and trickles down into free apps] that's pretty much it, yes, there's a lot of homebrew and a lot of work done with apple, but the real hard work goes into unlocking
the majority of the dev scene for Android revolves around improving the core use of the OS and also fixing or tweaking the way hardware is used [such as unlocking frequency bands, fm radio, camera resolutions, battery tweaks, processor or GPU OC/UV, etc]
that should tell you what it comes down to.
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This is precisely why I bought an Android phone instead of an iPhone this time around. Because honestly performance was my main issue with my iPhone.
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paravorheim said:
I've been getting random reboots every couple of days. Whenever the phone stats up again out tells me that there is no sim card so I have to reboot again.
Sometimes the screen will be unresponsive, and a reboot is required. Then I get the no Sim card problem again so I have to reboot a second time.
Pandora doesn't like to be kept in memory very well, which may be am issue of me just needing to reinstall the app.
I'm sure there's more, and definitely many worse problems on my iPhone 3G.
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Hmmm... sorry but you SHOULDN"T be having these problems.
In regards to random reboots issue - are you overclocked? do you use launcherpro?
In regards to sim card absent issue - how old is your sim card? this could also be a phone issue, you should be eligible for a replacement in that case.
Touchscreen unresponsive issue - again, you shouldn't be having this issue. Which rom do you use? Do you have a screen protector? In what specific usage cases does it freeze?
I have nothing like this problems at all.
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I would like to understand why so many people say they "need" webtop, and why so many cannot live without it on this phone. Somebody please answer this. I am pretty sure everyone lived perfectly fine before the Atrix came along, so why the sudden requirement for school and work to "need" webtop?
If you came from the iPhone, you certainly did not have webtop before.
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You're right, I didn't have webtop before when I owned an iPhone. I also had a laptop given to me by my school then too.
Now that i've had to return that, I bought the laptop dock specifically for note taking and remote desktop into my computer in my room for using programs required for engineering (Matlab, Eclipse, Mathematica, etc.)
I could have bought a NetBook for a little more money, and had much better performance, but I thought the cool factor of your phone powering a laptop and all the work being done to better
webtop would be worth more. (especially now with the source out )
I think my op suggested I was frustrated to the point where I would sell the phone. No, I still love it. But I thought I'd express my feelings about some of its shortcomings.
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Hmmm... sorry but you SHOULDN"T be having these problems.
In regards to random reboots issue - are you overclocked? do you use launcherpro?
In regards to sim card absent issue - how old is your sim card? this could also be a phone issue, you should be eligible for a replacement in that case.
Touchscreen unresponsive issue - again, you shouldn't be having this issue. Which rom do you use? Do you have a screen protector? In what specific usage cases does it freeze?
I have nothing like this problems at all.
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More than likely all I need is a new rom flash, with a newer or stock kernel. I'm not overclocked, and I use adw launcher ex.
My Sim card came with my phone when I got it, so is about 6 months old. I may just ask them for a new one whenever I go home to see if that fixes the problem.
I believe that the touchscreen being unresponsive could be due to overheat issues, because every time it happens I think it gets fairly toasty. Or maybe when my phone vibrated in my pocket when someone calls me, and I press the power button to mute it. I do indeed have a screen protector on though; do you think that's why it would become unresponsive?
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I think my op suggested I was frustrated to the point where I would sell the phone. No, I still love it. But I thought I'd express my feelings about some of its shortcomings.
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Well... to address your frustrations now...
I only managed to conclude that your homescreen lags, right?
Well, on Android you can always find alternatives for everythings. When it comes to homescreens, you are spoiled for choice - ADW, Stock launcher, GO Launcher, launcherpro, even Touchwiz launcher are all available for Atrix.
I assure you that you will find at least one that you like visually and which doesn't lag.
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The hd2 is probably by far one of the most perfect windows mobile phones out there, I've had soo many before it and they were rubbish in terms of performance.
but, the quirkiest problems are really destroying my joy with this phone. I can't seem to get all the apps to work with multiple languages. I can't seem to get a decent battery life when I'm travelling, now I have an extra battery and a heavy Duracell battery pack.
Great camera, yet it's still having the same problems I've had since the beginning of wm phones (slow with low light conditions) and no 720p video recording. There are no decent applications for the life of me. (I've been ruined by that from the iphone)
I hate how WM7 looks, with no skinning allowed, I'm pretty positive I don't want colored boxes to be my home screen. Also the fact that it's receiving less and less support from developers everyday, it simply isn't catching up to anyone anytime soon. (I have the feeling it's going to be delayed, because of the kin disaster)
I'm thinking I'll be selling this phone in approximately 2 months. I'll sell it here if anyone would like it.
Thinking of getting the new Galaxy S series phone, best hardware around with a mature (but not ancient) operating system.
Note: I'm currently in the middle east thats why it seems I've posted this early, it's 3:45pm over here.
ehhhhh,,,, everyone wants something different in a phone. Personally I thought the tmo roms were rubish. I loaded some custom roms and like almost all my problems went away immediately. Not sure about other languages because I'm pretty stupid and can't even speak 1 properly. Support I wouldn't worry about. Yes many people are jumping ship and going to android development but we still have some of the best guys still working with WM. Also a reason we don't have the devs staying with wm is many of the programs are final and work perfect. Why make a 28th wm music player? Android is great and all but I don't see it as great as everyone says. Yes its fast and optimized but its almost a cross between WM and iOS. After every thing I heard about android I was quite surprised when my friends got them and had them locking up and glitching as much if not more then a wimo phone. I almost bought one till my coworker bought an incredible and basically killed his battery in 2 hours listening to pandora, then had to pull the battery after he checked his tweets. I also feel once WP7 comes out it will renew interest in coding for WM. I feel we will see the same stuff we saw in vista and XP where the coders took the best features of Vista and added them to the stable XP OS. I'm hoping we will get the cool WP7 roms and they can whip out the spatula's and blenders and get to work on a frankenstien super os.
The ROMs have saved this phone, but as an Android fanatic, the apps, and ease of discovery/installation of apps has ruined me.
I've got my phone posted and I'm hunting for someone with a Nexus One thats willing to trade with me adding some cash.
I'm not giving this phone away because hardware wise HD2>>>>>>>iphone/nexus one, etc. But if I can't get Android soon I'll be dropping this phone.
But thanks for all the help guys! Its because of this phones quirky issues I discovered this site! lol
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The ROMs have saved this phone, but as an Android fanatic, the apps, and ease of discovery/installation of apps has ruined me.
I've got my phone posted and I'm hunting for someone with a Nexus One thats willing to trade with me adding some cash.
I'm not giving this phone away because hardware wise HD2>>>>>>>iphone/nexus one, etc. But if I can't get Android soon I'll be dropping this phone.
But thanks for all the help guys! Its because of this phones quirky issues I discovered this site! lol
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you know there are android roms out there for the hd2 right? granted, they BARELY WORK, but in a couple of months, we may be looking at a full blown army of HD2's running android
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ehhhhh,,,, everyone wants something different in a phone. Support I wouldn't worry about. Yes many people are jumping ship and going to android development but we still have some of the best guys still working with WM.
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I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory
I feel WMP7 is following the suit of the iphone, having a very limited way to customize, and having people to jailbreak it if they want the full potential of the phone, chasing update after update and looking for compatibility and cracks... that's why i left the iphone... (I had 2g but my family has a 3g and a 3gs)
I feel the android is king right now because it allows enough customization for developers to mess around with, and has great functionality out of the box without having to chase down problems.
Our family consists of 4 HD2s, and 2 iphones. I regret purchasing the hd2s since they have brought me more trouble than ever, my mother asking me about navigation while my brother and father require language packs THAT DOESN'T WORK.
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Also a reason we don't have the devs staying with wm is many of the programs are final and work perfect. Why make a 28th wm music player?
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Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
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I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory
I feel WMP7 is following the suit of the iphone, having a very limited way to customize, and having people to jailbreak it if they want the full potential of the phone, chasing update after update and looking for compatibility and cracks... that's why i left the iphone... (I had 2g but my family has a 3g and a 3gs)
I feel the android is king right now because it allows enough customization for developers to mess around with, and has great functionality out of the box without having to chase down problems.
Our family consists of 4 HD2s, and 2 iphones. I regret purchasing the hd2s since they have brought me more trouble than ever, my mother asking me about navigation while my brother and father require language packs THAT DOESN'T WORK.
Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
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Using custom ROMs, the hd2 is superior to the iphone 3gs or Droid in my experience. i have only used those two other phones to compare.
crisisinthecity said:
Using custom ROMs, the hd2 is superior to the iphone 3gs or Droid in my experience. i have only used those two other phones to compare.
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While I agree the phone is superior, the apps/ or lack of apps for this phone and its ****ty OS are going to be the death of it.
Even with the custom ROMs, I still have quirks like dropping 3G coverage, text messages coming in out of order, apps crashing, occasional restart (admittedly rare with the custom ROMs)
I have spent HOURS just to get this phone to do what it should do out of the box. And now that its finally working great, I discover it was pretty much in vain because I can't even fill cookie's home tabs with apps that I want and would use.
I think it really just comes down to WM is not as user friendly as Android or iphone. They have basically taken the computer out of the phone and made it super easy for anyone to install anything. I don't know what you guys are talking about with android phones and battery life. All the android phones I've seen running HD2 specs kill the battery in half the time of the HD2. I see it everyday at work when I'm the only one with a phone at the end of the shift. Now about your 3G issues that sounds like your carrier or location issues. I'm rock solid (H) 24/7 365. Take into account how android going to be when they get upwards of 500 phones on the market and glitches and bugs. WM runs on thousands of phones with minimal bugs. Android from what I've seen has about the same amount of bugs but with many fewer phones. iPhones do tend to be less or non glitchy because they only support 4 phones, much like their PC's. I think if you take the time to properly hook your HD2 up and learn a bit more about these new gen phones you'll be happy. You need to search out WM apps, but there are literally tons of them out there to do anything you could imagine.Most of these new inovation droid and iOS are claiming to invent have been on WM for ages. Please please please try out Kumars rom, experiment with a couple different tmo radio's for your area, and keep track of what is setting of your bugs. Usually you just need to change one program or setting and it fixes itself.
Going on like 16 days without a reboot! Yeeehaw. My tab slider does have a touch of lag though now but I'm gonnna hold out and see how long I can run it without a reboot.
One more thing, people with preformance issues have found replacing the SD card with a fast one works wonders. I haven't tried it yet but I am gonna toss a 8giger I have lying around in it to check it out.
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While I agree the phone is superior, the apps/ or lack of apps for this phone and its ****ty OS are going to be the death of it.
Even with the custom ROMs, I still have quirks like dropping 3G coverage, text messages coming in out of order, apps crashing, occasional restart (admittedly rare with the custom ROMs)
I have spent HOURS just to get this phone to do what it should do out of the box. And now that its finally working great, I discover it was pretty much in vain because I can't even fill cookie's home tabs with apps that I want and would use.
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How many apps do you want? How many apps do you need?
I have about 500 apps in my WinMo download folder and about 50 on my phone, don't use a third of them ...
Shear number of apps do not make them better .. Now I am not bashing the Android, it is a good platform, but the "Appstore" argument is so Iphone-ish.
I am not going to try and "Talk You Into", keeping your HD2 it is your phone you need a phone you can use, if the HD2 is not for you then it is not, BUT it is not a ****ty OS, that might be your opinion, but for the people that use WinMo on a daily basis and want the power of and flexibility of the WinMo OS it works great for them.
Android, simple interface, great, fast , fairly stable, locked down, big brother back door, MUST have gmail account to activate the phone, so that "Big Brother" can access your phone remotely.
WinMo, More complicated interface more like a portable PC than a Phone, customizable right down to the OS by the user, no external account needed, no "big brother" install apps you want and not have them removed, as of June 2010 Microsoft still has a 90.18 market share of PC's, so WinMo is directly compatible with 90.18% of the PC's in the market.
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How many apps do you want? How many apps do you need?
I have about 500 apps in my WinMo download folder and about 50 on my phone, don't use a third of them ...
Shear number of apps do not make them better .. Now I am not bashing the Android, it is a good platform, but the "Appstore" argument is so Iphone-ish.
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Apps like "fring", yeah we have that app... from 2005. Tt doesn't have video conferencing... that's a major feature missing.
It's as simple as that, we have the same apps, but they are outdated and lack many features that we'rent possible before.
How is the "appstore" argument so "Iphone-ish" thats the worst argument I ever heard. It's soo much more superior than what we have now.
You sound like a person that steals applications more than he buys... 500 apps, yeah and you bought them? I highly doubt you bought 5. App stores are a godsend for developers, they make a decent amount of money and it protects their investments, encouraging them to create more applications. That's why the app store is so successful. You're only complaining since you've barely bought any apps for the PC or your PPC, so you find the app store "iphone-ish" w.e that means.
I admit I'm being too harsh for no reason, and I also admit I don't usually buy them, but for decent applications I do happily purchase.
These are the only decent applications I use often, but I wish there was more, and I wish the prices were more reasonable, 30$ for an app? are you serious? The prices for the ppc applications are overblown. Spending over 100$ on applications on a phone is a little ridiculous. I haven't spent that amount on applications for my laptop.
- Handy Safe Pro (bought it twice, for different phones)
- SPB Traveller
- SPB TV
- SPB Backup (Fantastic application)
- SPB Wallet (Waste of time and money)
- Office Mobile (Hell no I didn't buy it, can't believe they actually started charging for it)
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Android, simple interface, great, fast , fairly stable, locked down, big brother back door, MUST have gmail account to activate the phone, so that "Big Brother" can access your phone remotely.
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That's another poor argument, "Big Brother" or google is already pretty much in your life. Why do you think the google advertisements are all about websites related to what you search for or websites you visited in the past.
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WinMo, More complicated interface more like a portable PC than a Phone, customizable right down to the OS by the user, no external account needed, no "big brother" install apps you want and not have them removed, as of June 2010 Microsoft still has a 90.18 market share of PC's, so WinMo is directly compatible with 90.18% of the PC's in the market.
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Has anyone complained about "google remotely removing apps" I'm sure google has other reasons why it has that capability, apple and palm have it too... and guess what? wmp7 is going to have it as well. The future is less and less private, this is something we will have to deal with, it's not some evil conspiracy.
Google is compatible with 100% of the computers since it doesn't even need one, so what are you getting at?
sell it, buy android phone
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So....
How much do you want for your crappy phone? Let me know. I might know of someone you can pwn it off on. they would love you long time.
2 months and it's theirs
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I'm pretty stupid and can't even speak 1 properly.
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I love how some people hate the HD2 and others love it. It's funny to hear people's stories, because it seems almost random, the chances of you having an HD2 that works flawlessly or doesn't work at all...
I came from the rooted G1 and I love this phone. Rooting android and flashing custom ROM's became nothing but a headache for me. My phone would never work right and every time I flashed a new ROM (with dozens of "flashed ROM, it's FLYING, fastest ever!!!" replies in the threads getting me all hyped up) phone would run smoothly for maybe a day but after that nothing but hang's, random reboots, f/c's, etc...
With my HD2, it's been the opposite: OS runs smoothly, I can pretty much do what I want (except for stable flash support in Opera, for some reason that still alludes people...none of those opera builds with flash support ran as well as stock opera and fixoperaflash is all buggy..very irritating) and I don't have to continually reboot or wipe the phone.
Yet I read people's comments that talk about how the phone is virtually a big paperweight right out of the box...go figure...
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sell it, buy android phone
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Well, since my stock HD2 has had none of the problems this person mentioned and has actually been a very good phone why sell it? Obviously, there is a variable here that is not common with all HD2's, so why give up so easily?
Wait till you get your new one, use the stock 2.13 and see how that goes. If you still can't stand it, then try cooked ROM, and if you still can't stomach the site of that 4.3" screen, then go ahead and sell it...
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I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory....Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
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I can definitely agree with Metallic-Force on most of his arguments. Even though this phone can do just about anything and everything, and even though it can run smoothly with custom ROMS, and even though it has awesome hardware......I just still can't look past the fact that the apps for this phone looks like absolute crap. Not only are there limited apps made for the HD2 specifically, but most of the apps that we can get for this phone (via marketplace, omarket, or warez) looks like the sh*tiest graphics I've ever seen on a mobile phone. I wish HTC would skin all the apps available for this phone as well as they did for the OS. I'm not even talking about the "crazy 3d" games that rock on this phone (cause I don't care for them), I'm talking about simple apps or games like Pandora or Moorhun. Microsoft or HTC needs to invest more money into the devolopers if they have to to make this OS more appealing app-wise. That way we can all finally say how great it is to own a WM phone.
OK, done venting.
Stable Android.
See post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729495
I don't see whee you guys are getting android phones are so bullet proof. Everyone I've seen has reset problems and lock up problems. Thats just gonna keep getting worse as they release new phone after new phone. Personally on wimo I can't live without.
1. PSX emulator,
2. Core Player,
3. Mortplayer
4. Hava Player
5. PDF reader
6. Wifi Router
7. GPS weather Radar
and lots more. When iphone or android can run a 2gb divx with AAC audio without charging $20 for an app call me. Till then its wimo.
lol... I'm going be receiving my hd2 this week, and your ditching it. It's funny, but android isn't that awesome the people make it out to be. That's why I'm going back to windows mobile ( windows phone).
Anyway, good luck.
Honestly!...
Why should I flash "googles" Android into my Bad Ass HD2???
No Joke! I need to know what all the fuss is about...
Why you ask? Well for a number of reasons. A search will tell you all of that as im sure this question has been asked over and over lol.
If you need to ask...
Seriously, why don't you just try it? You're not flashing anything. You won't lose any of your current information. I was enjoying the hacked versions of WinMo on my HD2, but now with Android I don't feel I need to ever go back.
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If you need to ask...
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This.
If you need to ask you don't belong in this forum section. Please go back to WinMo.
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lol
Let's be nice. Android is pretty limitless many things can be added. Winmo is sorta outdated. Right now winmo has a lot of community support but that's just not enough. Try it . Dont expect anything and see what you get.
Biggest problem I see is winmo users go into android expecting the same experience.
sent from my hd2.
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If you need to ask you don't belong in this forum section. Please go back to WinMo.
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Funny one
topic: some things are better with android, some arent. I think the interesting fact is to chose the operating system YOU want to use.
You can compare it with the operating system situation on your PC. Some people want to use Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, MacOSX,.....
I think it's a perfectly legitimate question: Not everyone has the love of digital adventures, tweaking or driving someone with more knowledge up the wall we do.
Why not just say what you like about Android? Unless you're not sure....well?
I enjoy reconfiguring my phone. I must have flashed custom WinMo ROM's a hundred times and radios tens of times. Configuring script to put my applications back the way they were, testing the build for smooth operation, stability and features had been a thrill of mine...my hobby, I guess you'd say, since the HD stemming from late 2008.
Android just kind of picks up where Winmo left off. I'm using Elegancia ROM and have been for months. It works great with the Android offerings.
Is Android better? If that's your question, then in my opinion, WinMo is better than Android on the HD2 as of this writing, by Android on this device is catching up incredibly fast.
Maybe you'll like it, maybe not. If your interested enough to chance getting flamed, then you are most likely a candidate to give it a go.
3 simple reasons
1. faster internet browsing
-android have simply a faster browsing experience for me, faster than opera on wm anyday
2. market
-the abundance of customization and application in the android market vs the wm store is like comparing a walmart to a gas convience store for choice of app and avaibility of apps
3. utility
-android simply utilize our screen and hardware much more efficently than windows. try the foursquare app on windows, and then try the foursquare app on android, it's like comparing a dirt road to a 5 lane highway in terms of usability and speed
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I think it's a perfectly legitimate question: Not everyone has the love of digital adventures, tweaking or driving someone with more knowledge up the wall we do.
Why not just say what you like about Android? Unless you're not sure....well?
I enjoy reconfiguring my phone. I must have flashed custom WinMo ROM's a hundred times and radios tens of times. Configuring script to put my applications back the way they were, testing the build for smooth operation, stability and features had been a thrill of mine...my hobby, I guess you'd say, since the HD stemming from late 2008.
Android just kind of picks up where Winmo left off. I'm using Elegancia ROM and have been for months. It works great with the Android offerings.
Is Android better? If that's your question, then in my opinion, WinMo is better than Android on the HD2 as of this writing, by Android on this device is catching up incredibly fast.
Maybe you'll like it, maybe not. If your interested enough to chance getting flamed, then you are most likely a candidate to give it a go.
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perfectly put but still deserved a flame or two lol
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This.
If you need to ask you don't belong in this forum section. Please go back to WinMo.
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LMAO
To the OP: Exactly what everyone else said (apart from infiniteecho)
Try it and see. Nothing to lose except maybe half an hour of your time.
As said above its 'hoarses for coarses'. I wasnt expecting much from Android because Minmo did everything I needed +more, plus it looked ok visually IMHO using CHT etc.
But android just feels slicker somehow...plus I'm not yet missing any of the features that I thought I really loved in winmo. Just the fact of having a good Market is a BIG plus for some people (myself now included although I always thought I'd never care for thousands of mainly pointless apps )....Android is generally a LOT more finger friendly than any 6.5.x build..... the list goes on.
Personally I am becoming a convert FAST. I will almost deffinately switch soley to Android when a proper android rom is released.
Dual booting is great and its always nice to have the option of two O/S's, but I find myself wanting to see Winmo less and less everytime I wake my new Android phone from its beuty sleep I just dont love Winmo like I used too lol.
But the only way you will ever really know is if you try it for yourself go on you (probably) wont be dissapointed.
WinMo stock = sack of **** on the HD2, you have to hack and slash away until you eventually get something that works. Then, and only then can you continue to play around with it.
Android, out of the box it works, and your free to play around with it and make it your own. If it wasn't for Android my HD2 would have be sold.
The touch screen and general Windows Mobile performance just pissed me off, you could triple the power of the HD2 and you still wouldn't get a smooth, slick experience.
Phil
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LOL,
hmmm... yeah true it was flameworthy I suppose
NATIVE FULL ADOBE FLASH 10.1! Only available in Android.
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NATIVE FULL ADOBE FLASH 10.1! Only available in Android.
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Reason enough for anyone imo.
lonelykatana said:
Reason enough for anyone imo.
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1+ on this one!
Thousands of apps straight from the marketplace, as opposed to a few hundred you have to get off the internet.
Oh, and flash.
Android is so good, why the hell did htc ship the hd2 with winmo?
Also hats off to the devs for making this possible, to use android on the best phone out there!
Good One.
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This.
If you need to ask you don't belong in this forum section. Please go back to WinMo.
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Please go back to WinMo...too funny.
i like android because of the limitless apps, you'll never need for anything again for a phone. the market was the main reason for me because most apps are free, now google maps include free navigation! windows mobile who? lol plus even with android being ported to our hd2 it out performs windows mobile, less freezes and errors. programmed to work better! internet browsing, smoother and faster. once u learn all the features and how to use widgets u will like wmo less and less. i never seen myself becoming a fan of android when i was solely against it when i had touch pro 2
Me??? Because WinMo is Sh*t. If I couldn't have loaded Android on this HD2... it would have been on Craigslist an hour after I got it.
Unless of course bloated, clunky, slow, crashing, lack luster garbage is someone's thing... l would advice them to stay away from Android.
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Anyone else losing the love for the Vibrant and the Android platfom in general? I've had the Vibrant (first and only android device) for 8 months and I'm pretty burned out on it. Hell, it took me 5 years to get burned out on the Blackberry. I'm running Bionix Froyo which has been the best ROM for me to date.
However, the android platform really needs some polishing. Email still can't hold a candle to BB, and that doesn't even take into consideration attachments, etc.
Other things that just plain bug the crap out of me....
- flashing ROMs or themes is just a big PITA
- battery life flat out sucks, I don't care what ROM you're running, carry a charger
- the appstore and appbrain looks like it was written by a high school programmer, and the syncing is a joke
- reboots are common, especially if bluetooth devices are part of the equation
If I could sell my wife's and my Vibrants for the cost of my early termination fee, I'd do it in a minute. The flipp'n iPhone might be the better way to go.
Although.......... kudos to all the developers for all the work they put in with ROMs, themes, etc. Many thanks and much appreciated.
I'm coming from a Blackberry and your right with the push email and stuff. But Blackberry os and Android are two different things. With Blackberries battery pulls are the norm. Majority of the apps suck, loading of things take forever and trying to watch a YouTube video on such a small screen hurts my eyes after a few minutes. I'm glad I made the jump from Blackberry to Android.
Nope...the only problem I have with android is battery life and outlook email is giving me issues, other than that I love android and I can't imagine not using it.
Ymark,
I totally understand how you feel, I love Android, but I hate the provider companies trying to lock us out rather than trying to make it more user friendly, It is approaching a level where it can compete with the business needs of us who have to have it work like a Blackberry. But it has been a real slog over this last year. I finally have this phone Really running like it should of 8 months ago.
The Outlook problem is more an issue of Microsoft's lack of cooperation with other platforms, but this is pretty much resolved. I am patient though, because the next gen of phones in the android platform are going to to take over in a Big way, and with that, there will be more cross-platform compatibility by all the manufacturers
when you got to an iphone you will get burnt out as well. Forget all about the customizations Android has to offer. My father in law bought a thunder bolt and loved it but the battery was horrid so took it back and got an iphone. We wishes now he could go back to the TB but its too late. He was a BB user and he instantly was impressed with Android. He is thinking about selling his iphone when they fix the battery issues on the TB.
One thing I really EDIT hate about BB is it's almost useless when you don't have a BIS.
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no OS is perfect.
If email is what you want, then there isn't anything out there like a BB and a BES/BIS. Unfortunately for you even RIM is trying to now make their phones more multimedia oriented like iOS and Android and is sadly doing such a terrible job that it's losing tons of users in the process. If you're tired of flashing roms, then don't flash roms. I hope i'm not coming off as defensive because I know android is pretty unpolished. But I have lived with the BB os, for years and happen to think that android is light years more polished than that hunk of crap OS. Don't even get me started on comparing that to iOS who is the king of polish. What i'm saying is this, at this point in the game, you're going to be let down by any portable OS. iOS is very polished but is missing a lot of small features that you didn't know you loved about android. WebOS is like a mixture of android and iOS but largely goes unnoticed. Good luck with whatever OS you end up settling with.
Hey, we all have a right to our opinions, and truthfully, i agree, this phone does have a lot of problems (some major some minor) but Android, i'll never get tired of it, just never...
Vibrant was my 3nd smartphone after G1 and Nexus one...
Android gives me the options, and functionalities that iOS never bothered to give.
iOS DOES have better organization , not just in the UI, but the whole company itself.
If you like iOS, go back to it, but be warned, You will miss widgets, and the options that Android had, but iOS will probably never have.
It's a choice, and your choice is yours.
Well just let him use w/e he wants, it's like comparing linux, ubuntu, to mac or windows, very unpolished but.... you can make it look like w/e the hell you want... and pretty much mess up the whole gui if you ever desire to. sure it's laggy and not as optimized, and sure it have a lot of bugs that needed to be fixed, but that's what open source os are, because it is open it leaves a lot of loop wholes where people can mod and change settings ect, and those are the reason the os is not as polished, if the os is as polised as ios, then you wont be able to change anything because if you do the whole os would likely fall apart and runs completely useless. unless you rebuild the whole thing like what they did for android on iphone. but see how that runs compare to the actual ios, HUGE difference in speed, ios was a lot faster and smooth, and that's expected, because it's open source. not ditching open source stuff, it's great, love them, but because they are open source they leave a lot of stuff unpolished.
Everyone in this thread should read the xda rules.
Also, calling someone out for something offensive to you, and then saying something potentially worse is not really helping your cause.
Op, have fun. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, but it's always open when you decide to come back.
YMark said:
Anyone else losing the love for the Vibrant and the Android platfom in general? I've had the Vibrant (first and only android device) for 8 months and I'm pretty burned out on it. Hell, it took me 5 years to get burned out on the Blackberry. I'm running Bionix Froyo which has been the best ROM for me to date.
However, the android platform really needs some polishing. Email still can't hold a candle to BB, and that doesn't even take into consideration attachments, etc.
Other things that just plain bug the crap out of me....
- flashing ROMs or themes is just a big PITA
- battery life flat out sucks, I don't care what ROM you're running, carry a charger
- the appstore and appbrain looks like it was written by a high school programmer, and the syncing is a joke
- reboots are common, especially if bluetooth devices are part of the equation
If I could sell my wife's and my Vibrants for the cost of my early termination fee, I'd do it in a minute. The flipp'n iPhone might be the better way to go.
Although.......... kudos to all the developers for all the work they put in with ROMs, themes, etc. Many thanks and much appreciated.
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You are wrong in so many ways I am actually concerned for you, sir.
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YMark said:
Anyone else losing the love for the Vibrant and the Android platfom in general? I've had the Vibrant (first and only android device) for 8 months and I'm pretty burned out on it. Hell, it took me 5 years to get burned out on the Blackberry. I'm running Bionix Froyo which has been the best ROM for me to date.
However, the android platform really needs some polishing. Email still can't hold a candle to BB, and that doesn't even take into consideration attachments, etc.
Other things that just plain bug the crap out of me....
- flashing ROMs or themes is just a big PITA
- battery life flat out sucks, I don't care what ROM you're running, carry a charger
- the appstore and appbrain looks like it was written by a high school programmer, and the syncing is a joke
- reboots are common, especially if bluetooth devices are part of the equation
If I could sell my wife's and my Vibrants for the cost of my early termination fee, I'd do it in a minute. The flipp'n iPhone might be the better way to go.
Although.......... kudos to all the developers for all the work they put in with ROMs, themes, etc. Many thanks and much appreciated.
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That's all well and good, but I fail to see what you're trying to do by posting this here.
-Reboots common? I have a Hero, a G1, and a Vibrant. The girlfriend's Hero gets rebooted at most once every few weeks. The only reboots my Vibrant gets are if I install a crappy ROM and need to reboot to get into recovery mode. On good, stable ROMs (like Bionix-v 1.3.1) I had it running for 30 days straight before I rebooted - to flash a new ROM. On crappy ROMs, yeah you get to pull the battery, but that's the risk of flashing new ROMs.
- Battery life sucks? How about this, you find me an Android with the same small screen (less pixels to power), no widgets (less backgrouund processor usage), Full HTML support in email (no HTML->txt translation means more data gets pulled), and web (ie without a proxy stripping down the websites) - then you'll see an Android device with similar battery life to a Blackberry.
You might as well compare a nokia dumbphone to a smartphone. The differences between capabilities and user experience are enormous.
- Flashing ROMs is a PITA? Now I know you're trolling.
1. Download ZIP.
2. Place ZIP on SD card
3. Reboot into Recovery
4. Select ZIP to install
5. Install and Reboot.
Yeah, that's rocket science right there.
YMark said:
Anyone else losing the love for the Vibrant and the Android platfom in general? I've had the Vibrant (first and only android device) for 8 months and I'm pretty burned out on it. Hell, it took me 5 years to get burned out on the Blackberry. I'm running Bionix Froyo which has been the best ROM for me to date.
However, the android platform really needs some polishing. Email still can't hold a candle to BB, and that doesn't even take into consideration attachments, etc.
Other things that just plain bug the crap out of me....
- flashing ROMs or themes is just a big PITA
- battery life flat out sucks, I don't care what ROM you're running, carry a charger
- the appstore and appbrain looks like it was written by a high school programmer, and the syncing is a joke
- reboots are common, especially if bluetooth devices are part of the equation
If I could sell my wife's and my Vibrants for the cost of my early termination fee, I'd do it in a minute. The flipp'n iPhone might be the better way to go.
Although.......... kudos to all the developers for all the work they put in with ROMs, themes, etc. Many thanks and much appreciated.
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It's fairly apparent you don't know how to use your phone after reading this. An iDevice sounds about right for you.
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Still very happy with my vibrant. Battery life is getting better and better, flashing roms is easy, and that screen can't be beat.
Thread closed as it has become a flame fest.
To the people who were swearing, and using inappropriate language, you have received well deserved infractions.
How many times do you need to be reminded to read and follow the rules, and to avoid swearing on the forum.
I don't care if you used foul language as a child, I also don't care if you don't personally find it offensive (as posted on another thread that I had to clean). Just because you think it's right, doesn't make it so. Show some respect.
i posted this in wp7 general chat also
ok so i have been a faithful android fan since the first droid, then i got incredible on verizon, loved them both but hated battery life of inc, hated slow updates but i fixed that with cyanogen mod. so i hate the skins the manufacturers add to the phone cause it slows them down and makes them slower to get updates, i love android stock expierience, but verizon doesnt really offer a decent phone with that. the problems i have with android are the lack of polish and overall not the greatest user expierience and inconsistant behavior in the os lol. i changed to a iphone because a lack of good android phones and i like the consistant aproach apple took even tho i dont like apple or the iphone all that much. so ive been eyeing wp7 for a while. i like the ui, but verizon is just now getting its first wp7 phone the htc trophy, not the best phone, but is wp7 worth it? give me some advantages and stuff i would like, to help me decide if i should get it. also i just bought a dx2 and talk about a buggy and inconsistant phone, i cant handle the constant freezing and unsmoothness feeling of the overall os on the phone, so im gonna return it, just trying to decide to get a wp7 or a dif android phone. thanks fellas
I'll be honest with you, all current WP7 devices are the same, the basic specs are the same, some might have a keyboard, larger screen or something else but, the CPU and performance/features are the same between all current models.
If you have done you homework and it seems like you have, give the Trophy a shot, you can't go wrong, you could always return it in the VZW 15 day return window if you don't like it.
It all depends on what you really love about Android, can you replace it on WP7, or can you live with out it ?
trophy,smoother interface and fast,had no probs with freeze etc etc etc,,not as good as android if you like to mess about a lot installing customized roms ,free COUGH games
I am sorta in the same boat, excpet I know I am gonna switch to wp7. I have had the incredible since launch day and it has been an awesome phone. I came from wm6.5 on the tp2. I loved how easily you could customize wm6.5 but it was a dying os, alas I went to android. I also got android knowing that the same sorta hack/customizing scene was taking off. Well, I just don't have time anymore to spend fiddling and customizing my phone multiple times a week. I have been running cyanogen 7 rc something for a while now, its been smooth, but I just don't have the time to keep up.
So long story short, aside from customizing android, I don't find it all that appealing. maybe the only thing i'll miss is "google maps." I have demoed multiple wp7 phones in at&t and sprint stores. And like DavidinCT said, they all felt/performed the same. I even almost jumped ship to sprint, but the keyboard was the deal breaker, hate phones with physical keyboards. anywho, i also (with every ounce of engery) despise apple, so iphone is outa the question.
another thing that sealed the deal for me is I have an xbox360 and zune hd. having both of those integrate with my phone will be awesome.
so all in all. every wp7 phone I have demoed have run buttery smooth, I dig the snappy ui, I am already used to the ui (thanks zune hd), and I look forward to xbox live integration. it is already enough to make me drop android and give it a shot, and its only going to get better (mango, and future updates). plus i look forward to a phone I don't have to strip down and customize to get it to run smoothly, oh, and hopefully better battery life. ok, I am done...hope that helps a little
I'm on the same boat as well and it's torture. I have an HTC Touchpro2 and I'll likely go with WP7 but I'm not ruling out Android just yet. I'll think about it for a week.
I changed from Android (Dell Streak) to my current Trophy, and I don't regret it.
I dropped my Streak, tried to replaced the damaged screen, and broke the phone more, so had to get something new. Thought I would give WP7 a try (As no one I know had used it at all, and I like to be different) and to be honest I think it was a good decision.
As mentioned, its not as 'customizable' as Android by any means, but I love the way it works and looks. Its a new OS, and to be fair its jumping forwards pretty quickly!
No lagging problems, good battery life (couple of days including playing about with it), no quibbles with updates, would be nice if I could stick in a memory card, but realistically who puts more than 8GB of stuff on their phone? I haven't met anyone who needs more than that yet!
Personally I reckon it'll easily be on par with the others once the Mango update appears at the end of this year.
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I changed from Android (Dell Streak) to my current Trophy, and I don't regret it.
I dropped my Streak, tried to replaced the damaged screen, and broke the phone more, so had to get something new. Thought I would give WP7 a try (As no one I know had used it at all, and I like to be different) and to be honest I think it was a good decision.
As mentioned, its not as 'customizable' as Android by any means, but I love the way it works and looks. Its a new OS, and to be fair its jumping forwards pretty quickly!
No lagging problems, good battery life (couple of days including playing about with it), no quibbles with updates, would be nice if I could stick in a memory card, but realistically who puts more than 8GB of stuff on their phone? I haven't met anyone who needs more than that yet!
Personally I reckon it'll easily be on par with the others once the Mango update appears at the end of this year.
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agree,the mango update looks good,only a few months to wait and as for the memory card you can IF you dont mind voiding the warranty
well i just got my trophy today. right now it is charging. coming from an htc incredible, and was pleased to see that the battery was identical to the trophys. yay, two batteries now...
i do love android, but i have high hopes for wp7. i'll let ya know my first impressions tomorrow
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well i just got my trophy today. right now it is charging. coming from an htc incredible, and was pleased to see that the battery was identical to the trophys. yay, two batteries now...
i do love android, but i have high hopes for wp7. i'll let ya know my first impressions tomorrow
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It's been a couple days... I hope it's because you've been having so much fun with it.
WP7 the worse mobile OS ever!!
My experience with WP7 is the worst ever! You can't do anything smart with this phone!
Ohh great, you can play music,games and chat on facebook.That's it!
No flash web pages, no bluetooth file transfers, no GPS software, stupid email attachment system, NO file management: you can't put your files where ever you want because of the new sandboxing system, no customizations for ringtones and alarms, you can download almost nothing with internet explorer,no multitasking yet,no USB mass storage for real, no way to install your own apps.
Now for a very few of these there is a fix with chevron's patch but still it's not a great thing to buy a phone, and be so dmn limited . My advice get an Android or if you have enough cash$$ an iPhone.
Cheers
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My experience with WP7 is the worst ever! You can't do anything smart with this phone!
Ohh great, you can play music,games and chat on facebook.That's it!
No flash web pages, no bluetooth file transfers, no GPS software, stupid email attachment system, NO file management: you can't put your files where ever you want because of the new sandboxing system, no customizations for ringtones and alarms, you can download almost nothing with internet explorer,no multitasking yet,no USB mass storage for real, no way to install your own apps.
Now for a very few of these there is a fix with chevron's patch but still it's not a great thing to buy a phone, and be so dmn limited . My advice get an Android or if you have enough cash$$ an iPhone.
Cheers
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So let me get this straight... you bought a new smartphone with a new OS off the shelf without test driving it or even getting some information on how it functions ? Do you even remember what Android or iOS were like when launched ?
WP7 is not for everyone and clearly you are one of them... go back to Android or iPhone, you'll be happier.
On a side note, just wanna drop a link to this post, concerning WP7.5 list of features announced so far:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084161
mmuntean2 said:
My experience with WP7 is the worst ever! You can't do anything smart with this phone!
Ohh great, you can play music,games and chat on facebook.That's it!
No flash web pages, no bluetooth file transfers, no GPS software, stupid email attachment system, NO file management: you can't put your files where ever you want because of the new sandboxing system, no customizations for ringtones and alarms, you can download almost nothing with internet explorer,no multitasking yet,no USB mass storage for real, no way to install your own apps.
Now for a very few of these there is a fix with chevron's patch but still it's not a great thing to buy a phone, and be so dmn limited . My advice get an Android or if you have enough cash$$ an iPhone.
Cheers
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Unfortunately you seem to be one of the usuals who expects everything from day one. How long have Android and iOS been around? Now how long has WP7 been out?
It takes time to do all of this stuff, and while we all complain when updates are dropped back etc, its a waiting game.
As previously stated, you're clearly not a WP7 person, so go follow all the other sheep and buy an iPhone so that you can start slating everything else. (Hey, at least you tried something else, most iPhone'rs have never used another OS yet spend all day *****ing about how crap the rest are!)
Tarquin76 said:
Unfortunately you seem to be one of the usuals who expects everything from day one. How long have Android and iOS been around? Now how long has WP7 been out?
It takes time to do all of this stuff, and while we all complain when updates are dropped back etc, its a waiting game.
As previously stated, you're clearly not a WP7 person, so go follow all the other sheep and buy an iPhone so that you can start slating everything else. (Hey, at least you tried something else, most iPhone'rs have never used another OS yet spend all day *****ing about how crap the rest are!)
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I'm actually leaving my tbolt for the trophy. I've become bored with android and I'm ready to give wp7 a shot! Lets do this!
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ethan.r.besbris said:
I'm actually leaving my tbolt for the trophy. I've become bored with android and I'm ready to give wp7 a shot! Lets do this!
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Give WP7 a test drive before you commit (a shop, friend or a demo phone somewhere), make sure it has at least the mininal apps and functions you can't live without and if not, that you are at least patient enough to wait on Mango.
I do alot of research before I commit to a new smartphone and WP7 was no different... and loving it.
Hm i thing that the modern user is very spoiled.
You pick a gadget and expect from it to be Number One .... iOS and Android were soooo limitated when they were out. How many years were needed for them to become mature .... Let's say you buy WP7 as a system for your phone ... at the moment, it's actually working, and quite well too. Limited ? Yes ! A young system ? Yes .... several months later You have one major update and in several months ahead a nearly new Release.
If You are no enthusiast, this system is not for You. For something to move forward it needs time and users. Demand will move the things forward much faster. If the shiny, little messy, look of Android with all it's unapproved and tested applications is the best for You, than You have it, just use it. The decision is very personal, only You can choose. If WP7 seams pretty limited to You, stay away from it for now. Return after one Year to see a grown, well build and competitive product. If you look closer You will see how fast the operating system gains speed ...
I played around with it for over an hour in store. itll be here tomorrow.
I want to like it, but every time I play with it in store, I'm underwhelmed. Additionally, I can't even access the Marketplace from the Verizon store model which is pretty disappointing. I went to two Verizon stores today and neither allowed me to access the Marketplace to look around.
porkovich said:
Hm i thing that the modern user is very spoiled.
You pick a gadget and expect from it to be Number One .... iOS and Android were soooo limitated when they were out. How many years were needed for them to become mature .... Let's say you buy WP7 as a system for your phone ... at the moment, it's actually working, and quite well too. Limited ? Yes ! A young system ? Yes .... several months later You have one major update and in several months ahead a nearly new Release.
If You are no enthusiast, this system is not for You. For something to move forward it needs time and users. Demand will move the things forward much faster. If the shiny, little messy, look of Android with all it's unapproved and tested applications is the best for You, than You have it, just use it. The decision is very personal, only You can choose. If WP7 seams pretty limited to You, stay away from it for now. Return after one Year to see a grown, well build and competitive product. If you look closer You will see how fast the operating system gains speed ...
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I don't agree with this at all. Just because a phone OS is new to the market doesn't mean it should be lacking features that have been in other phones for years before. It happened with iphone, it happened with Android, and its happening with WP7. What if a new OS doesn't have a redial feature? Would that be okay since the first mobile phone didn't have it?
People are quick to excuse manufacturers for not including basic things like copy pasting or video recording, when they could have easily implemented them from the start without having to break their development budget.
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So you're not happy with your purchase then?
I like my phone, but I don't think I would have when Android first came out.
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between the two phone, android phone and windows 8 phone, which one do you like? which one should I buy? It puzzles me
rofl.
there isnt a Win8 phone
your taking about WindowsPhone7.
windowsPhone8 doesnt exist.
That being said, having used both:
Android - more tweaks, more apps but also more babysitting to keep it running well; there are 4G phones. Prepare to use task manager, worry about malware and so on.
Windows Phone 7 - less tweaks, less apps, but it "just works". Also, the UI rocks it, designed to be more than just a launchpad for shortcuts. No 4G phones yet. T-Mobile is coming with first phone with front facing camera.
I am one of those that had Android and went to WP7 and yey!
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that being said, having used both:
Android - more tweaks, more apps but also more babysitting to keep it running well; there are 4g phones. Prepare to use task manager, worry about malware and so on.
Windows phone 7 - less tweaks, less apps, but it "just works". Also, the ui rocks it, designed to be more than just a launchpad for shortcuts. No 4g phones yet. T-mobile is coming with first phone with front facing camera.
I am one of those that had android and went to wp7 and yey!
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i have both phone hd2 hacked with win7 and g2x hack with cm7 let me tell u thar g2x from tmo is pretty gd im glad not to have to deal with windows phones anymore android is the way trust me u wont b sry like windows plus xbox took the 360 feat. Off it so now its garage to me.....think out side the box lol :d
bigboy292000 said:
That being said, having used both:
Android - more tweaks, more apps but also more babysitting to keep it running well; there are 4G phones. Prepare to use task manager, worry about malware and so on.
Windows Phone 7 - less tweaks, less apps, but it "just works". Also, the UI rocks it, designed to be more than just a launchpad for shortcuts. No 4G phones yet. T-Mobile is coming with first phone with front facing camera.
I am one of those that had Android and went to WP7 and yey!
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Using a task manager is the single worst thing you can do with android, android handles ram in a totally diffrent way to windows, infact the less free ram, the better android runs.
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android 4
i just have got the SGSII (android) and Ditch the Focus(win7)
if you like freedom get the android one.
best regards
HP
android :X
If ur a muthafckin kid take android- its colourful its brainwashing its absolutely time waisting and you have everything you dont need. If you want a phone which you will not like to drug with take wp7- its fast it works it has everything you will need and its your best partner. You dont have to make it your wife and be a geek till the rest of ur miserable lonely life just like with botdroid! (of course with some small exeptions)
Wp7 is fast it works smooth and you have everything at a glance. The integration is great as well. You don't need an app for that because it does all the stuff you need built into the is OS.
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jan123456789012 said:
If ur a muthafckin kid take android- its colourful its brainwashing its absolutely time waisting and you have everything you dont need. If you want a phone which you will not like to drug with take wp7- its fast it works it has everything you will need and its your best partner. You dont have to make it your wife and be a geek till the rest of ur miserable lonely life just like with botdroid! (of course with some small exeptions)
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LMAO
You are on one of the best Android modding sites on the Internet and your complaining about OS tweaks?
/rofl
jan123456789012 said:
If ur a muthafckin kid take android- its colourful its brainwashing its absolutely time waisting and you have everything you dont need. If you want a phone which you will not like to drug with take wp7- its fast it works it has everything you will need and its your best partner. You dont have to make it your wife and be a geek till the rest of ur miserable lonely life just like with botdroid! (of course with some small exeptions)
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you. are an idiot.
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xnoctis93 said:
you. are an idiot.
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agreed.
LinxAndroid said:
rofl.
there isnt a Win8 phone
your taking about WindowsPhone7.
windowsPhone8 doesnt exist.
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Yet...
http://en.xpphone.com/Upfiles/2011102616404887891.jpg
Windows 8? wow
Chrissteven81 said:
Wp7 is fast it works smooth and you have everything at a glance. The integration is great as well. You don't need an app for that because it does all the stuff you need built into the is OS.
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I have been searching for a thread like this to clarify some doubts I have about both platforms....noob here guys so be gentle.
I believe there are some widgets in Android which could provide you a similar feature...i.e. a single glance overview of calls/ appointments/ msgs etc....I also believe this is part of the OS and not a separate app...doesn't this make both equal,featurewise.
I feel that WP7 has the best UI compared to iOS and android.... but the lack of file management and missing USB outlook sync (which is the only reason I'm still sticking to WM) is my biggest worry. I understand there is work around; but I think this is a major drawback.
People who have used both Android and WP7, can you pls share how the lack of these features in WP7 affects day to day usage (mainly business use). Do you feel its worth adapting to the new routine for a smoother user experience (and a promise of further improvements) or the sensible thing is to just sacrifice the cool UI for all the other benefits of having a flexible platform (not to mention some terrific hardware)
Thanks for your input folks....
Android gives you customization and flexibility, but lacks the easy of use that the windows phone ui gives you.
Both are very much usable day by day, but as you've pointed out, the new windows ui is not flexible, and you'r out of luck trying to sync it to outlook, maybe with CompanionLink.
I prefer android
Thanks for the reply.
Anyone with good knowledge on MS know if this situation (USB outlook sync) about to change in further revisions of WP (Tango / Apollo)
VKris said:
Thanks for the reply.
Anyone with good knowledge on MS know if this situation (USB outlook sync) about to change in further revisions of WP (Tango / Apollo)
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That is a feature that will not be added back into the Windows Phone lines. Knowing some of the people on the WP7 team, it's been complained about, but will never seen as a feature in that mobile OS family.
It's an archaic technology, and with the advent of high speed mobile data and wifi hotspots so available for when cell service isn't, it's not seen as a priority to even be considered.
jjayno2003 said:
i have both phone hd2 hacked with win7 and g2x hack with cm7 let me tell u thar g2x from tmo is pretty gd im glad not to have to deal with windows phones anymore android is the way trust me u wont b sry like windows plus xbox took the 360 feat. Off it so now its garage to me.....think out side the box lol :d
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When I read this, I desperately hoped they were from some third world country that I'd never heard of because I didn't understand one word of it.