Yes, this is my first ever post here! but the fact is, that I never saw the need to post and Q/A because most of the stuff that came to mind were asked and answered. Until now...
First off, I am a happy Transformer user and never had reasons to complain. But this kinda upset me..
I had a chance to play with a buddy of mines Galaxy Tab 10.1 yesterday for the first time, and I noticed something...scrolling and just moving around the tablet felt smoother than my Asus (Mind you, I have a custom rom installed, OC kernel with many optimization's)
So I figured, since his was bone-stock, and it pretty much being the same spec hardware (Tegra 2 etc..) I would run some benchmarks.
As soon as I ran Quadrant I noticed his was smoother...but, my scores were HIGHER!
Then i noticed on the bottom left hand side FPS were locked at 30FPS?!?! on mine!! and his were going well over 30!! actually maxing out at 60!!!
So what gives!?!?!
Are our Asus Refresh rates stuck at 30??? If that is indeed the case that would suck! BIGTIME!
Hopefully somebody can shed some light
THANKS GUYZ
aurena said:
Yes, this is my first ever post here! but the fact is, that I never saw the need to post and Q/A because most of the stuff that came to mind were asked and answered. Until now...
First off, I am a happy Transformer user and never had reasons to complain. But this kinda upset me..
I had a chance to play with a buddy of mines Galaxy Tab 10.1 yesterday for the first time, and I noticed something...scrolling and just moving around the tablet felt smoother than my Asus (Mind you, I have a custom rom installed, OC kernel with many optimization's)
So I figured, since his was bone-stock, and it pretty much being the same spec hardware (Tegra 2 etc..) I would run some benchmarks.
As soon as I ran Quadrant I noticed his was smoother...but, my scores were HIGHER!
Then i noticed on the bottom left hand side FPS were locked at 30FPS?!?! on mine!! and his were going well over 30!! actually maxing out at 60!!!
So what gives!?!?!
Are our Asus Refresh rates stuck at 30??? If that is indeed the case that would suck! BIGTIME!
Hopefully somebody can shed some light
THANKS GUYZ
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Download this off market and u should get atleast 58 frames per second
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.edburnette.fps2d
Unlocking the frames would be an awsome thing in a custom kernel but I don't believe it can be done. However ill ask again
so could it be that 2d is able to run at 60hz and 3d cannot? This still doesnt quite answer the general smoothness advantage of the tab.
Im going to try to get my hands on his tab and do a side by side comparison
Btw thx for the quick reply
aurena said:
so could it be that 2d is able to run at 60hz and 3d cannot? This still doesnt quite answer the general smoothness advantage of the tab.
Im going to try to get my hands on his tab and do a side by side comparison
Btw thx for the quick reply
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Np that just tells u the fps as a whole I believe. But a video of a side by side would be ultra helpfull
I got an average of 40fps...
St8 from the cows teet
clemsyn said:
Just an update on JRCU implementation in the kernel. It seems to give us highes scores in 3d benchmarks in antutu and seems more responsive BUT the dreaded sleep of death and intermittent reboots have made me decide to drop it. It seems to be related to wifi, if it is off, there are no reboots or sleep of death but with it on and then turning the tab off, then reboots or sleep of deaths happens.
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In short its possible but then it would fk stuff up
Please note that it's a known fact that Tegra 2 based tablets have a worse graphics performance when running in portrait mode. Did you run these tests in portrait or in landscape mode?
Also, I've not seen this other fact reported anywhere, but I have the dock, and I have noticed that scrolling the home pages or any other item via the touchpad does produce a way lower refresh rate than using the touch screen. Although it would be very silly if true, I think the problem is related to the touchpad mouse cursor sprite, which seems to be implemented by overimposing a full screen transparent layer on top of the normal flipping animation, thus affecting performance greatly.
I would really like this being addressed by ASUS our Google, since I use my Transformer way more in NetBook than in tablet mode...
With virgin stock HC 3.2, my TF101 scored 62.50 fps in Nenamark1 3D benchmark. The previous record was 44.40 fps... The trick is to run the benchmark in 'Zoom to fill mode' Now my device is the 3rd fastest TF101 on the net .
Ref :
http://nena.se/nenamark/view?version=1&device_id=424
cowballz69 said:
Download this off market and u should get atleast 58 frames per second
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.edburnette.fps2d
Unlocking the frames would be an awsome thing in a custom kernel but I don't believe it can be done. However ill ask again
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Why would this be awesome? Running anything higher than the native refresh rate of the screen doesn't do anything except waste CPU and GPU cycles.
I am just guessing here but the native refresh rate is probably 59 or 60 Hz.
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What is more of a priority to you: Uncapped framerates or HDMI-out ?
Where's option 3 with automatic toggling if an hdmi cable is connected?! I keed I keed
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What is more of a priority to you: Uncapped framerates or HDMI-out ?
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Have the devs found the actual cap? Not some dirty LCD hack.
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Have the devs found the actual cap? Not some dirty LCD hack.
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The main cap is probably being set in the radio, which leaves us with having to work around it to uncap framerates. Ideally if it's possible to get both uncapped framerates and hdmi-out working at the same time that's the solution that will be used.
I vote framerate for now... but hopefully there is some long term solution to both
I'll take framerate. HDMI would put up more of a fight if we could get full output of the android system instead of just selective video.
I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?
I'd go with the fps because the hdmi is still restricted with output options anyway
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I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?
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Gaming without annoying lag and stuttering. Smooth transitions between home screens. Better live wallpaper performance. Feel as smooth overall as the HTC Aria
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I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?
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the device being capped at 30 fps wouldn't be a problem if the device wouldn't drop below 30fps but it often does during 3d games (the human eye typically perceives anything over 19 fps as fluid motion, without choppiness or studdering). so the main reason to uncap the framerate is because it gives you more wiggle room for the fps to drop without you noticing choppiness.
so if you were capped at 30 fps and a game caused a performance drop of 12 fps then you would now be at 18fps and you will notice choppiness,
but if the fps were unlocked to 44 (which is the novatek right now i think) and that same game dropped the 12 fps, you would now be running at 32 fps and you will notice no choppiness.
it can be hard for someone to understand sometimes as most people dont properly explain WHY having higher fps is nice instead of just sounding like iphone users "its so smooth!" like the guy above me lol.
I vote frame rate. Less than 1% of the time would be spent using HDMI for me anyway.
Didn't someone post this already ?
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I couldn't care less about HDMI, disable it permanently to uncap the frame rate for all I care.
HDBaseT>hdmi
http://www.pcworld.com/article/200301/new_technology_could_replace_hdmi_with_ethernet_cables.html
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What about just maintaining 2 different kernels and if u wanna use hdmi you could easily flash one kernel then flash right back to the fps fixed kernel when your finished seems like the most logical way to go
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Didn't someone post this already ?
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Considering the OP is spear heading development on a dual Nova/Epson kernel, I think it is okay for the question to be asked on a very real basis...
the poll was our idea. we needed to see who wanted what. it came from a discussion we were having on #HTC-EVO (<~shameless plug) about the issues were facing and what to do about the community kernel. we figured the real answer would come from... well... the community. anyhow they both need to be fixed for there to actually be a fix. imo a broke isnt fixed so that was the discussion. anyhow hope that settles ths little debate.
Unless a future work-around includes being able to use the HDMI output for use with the actual phone interface and not just videos, I see no real point of using it at all.
So, definitely uncapped.
My only complaint about the Evo has been the laggy touch response. If uncapping the framerate fixes that, which the op's kernel that I flashed today has on my phone, I am willing to do without the hdmi. While I would prefer to have everything working, getting rid of the touch lag is the highest priority to me.
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My only complaint about the Evo has been the laggy touch response. If uncapping the framerate fixes that, which the op's kernel that I flashed today has on my phone, I am willing to do without the hdmi. While I would prefer to have everything working, getting rid of the touch lag is the highest priority to me.
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Using the 'dirty' fix will pretty much fix the input, go check out the 3.6.3 fix, it will almost remove all lag
Has anyone noticed this? Wherever there's something to scroll, web pages, menus etc., the motion is sort of stuttering as long as you keep your finger on the screen. When you release your finger and "throw" the page, it goes smooth. This makes me think that it's not a graphic performance issue, but it's more like if the resolution of the capacitive touch screen was lower than the actual display. I hope I'm wrong and it's software related...
Software related, doesn't always do this.
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On second thought I am not sure, sometimes it does this really badly and other times it is completely smooth. If we didn't have full resolution touch you would notice it on a multi touch test app.
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I think I have found the cause.
Cpu scaling!
Lock setcpu to 1 ghz and it is much smoother.
What is happening is the cpu speed keeps throttling and jumping back to full speed causing problems
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Actually...still unsure...ideas anyone?
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"Problems" with CPU speed jumping up and down? Those are not problems but a design decision (jury is still out on whether the implementation is done right) to save energy.
Of course you can crank everything up to the max and never put peripherals or the CPU to sleep, but please don't start complaining when your battery runs flat before the day is done.
They set the ramp down cpu speed timer far too short. This can be modded in a kernel anyway.
Using a multi touch test we have at minimum 600x300 touch resolution, way more then enough to have lag free scrolling.
There's an acer android phone out with only about 32x 24 touch resolution. They manage
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I don't think it's related. I'm experiencing this even with the cpu locked in performance mode. On the other hand, using a multitouch test app, I was able to move a pointer pixel by pixel at what seemed to be the screen's full resolution, so touch res is not the cause.
It's quite annoying cause even if you want to launch a fast scroll of, say, your contact list, you get that initial ugly small stutter... when browsing the internet this ruins the experience even more, since you are likely to keep your fingertip on the screen more.
Dunno about you guys but uninstalling Gesture Search by Google fixed it for me.
Never had that on my phone...
Bump... am I the only one bothered by this?
Am I?...
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Am I?...
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Could be, I had a HTC HD2 and it suffered from that problem alot. numerous videos have been posted on youtube because of it as well.
One possible way of minimizing the problem is to electrically discharge your screen, by putting an electric conductor, such as metal on it to remove and negative/postive ions still hanging around. Read that up somewhere and it somewhat helped my HD2.
Personally i have only experienced once on my Sgs and have not been able to replicate it since.
If you have big fingers that could also be a problem as the touch sensor can't decide on where to locate your finger...
Thank you for your answer! The electrical conductor you mentioned should go somewhere to discharge though... I can't walk around with a ground wire hanging from my phone all the time Plus, I really believe it's software. I know it always goes there but... iPhones have similar technology but they always scroll smooth. maybe it's interpolation we're missing here.
Btw I have particularly small hands!
Discharging it only has to be done only when the problem seems to be worsening. just try not to place your entire thumb on it but rather use the tips of yours fingers, that way it doesnt jerk.
I have to say this problem is pretty consistent, hence not worsening (or improving) whatsoever in any circumstances. It's just not fluid, ah my Touch HD used to be, but that was because of poor GPU (driver); we know that can't possibly be the case here, and as a matter of fact, regardless of load, stuff in the background etc, it's there all the time.
But as soon as you release the fingertip, the "inertial" part of the scrolling just goes as smooth as possible.
So I'd dismiss the electrostatic explanation, it seems like it was a non-interpolated low touch resolution... except that it's not...
Hi Folks, I have noticed the same problem running eclair 2.1 with Ryan's one click lag fix applied (the lag fix did speed it up quite a bit too!). It seems to do it after coming out of 'sleep' mode i.e when I wake it up from blank 'screen saver'. After a few scrolls or taps it starts to smoothen out a bit, but still not as I would like it to be.... Just my observations and sorry I can't offer up any Solutions... Any word if 2.2 update will make things better? Also, does anyone know when the update will hit Australia?
Welcome to android world, iphone users.
The world where not everything is super-smooth.
Actually it might be related to smoothing of touch input. Btw my scrolling is quite ok, but I come from Sybian world, world of lag.
xan said:
Welcome to android world, iphone users.
The world where not everything is super-smooth.
Actually it might be related to smoothing of touch input. Btw my scrolling is quite ok, but I come from Sybian world, world of lag.
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'smoothing of touch input'? could you please expand on this?
BTW - I Never owned an iFone, and don't really go for it's comunistic ways... (although some people take comfort in it! )
Hm, touchscreen sends raw data to driver (noisy, with peaks) to driver. Driver cleans and interprets them.. (unless its done in TS firmware)
I think that more cleaning and smoothing at this stage would result in smother scrolling, but not-so-precise tracking (when drawing, etc).
I'm just speculating here, because I have no real knowledge about this.
OK... Although it seems like there is a delay in reloading to short term memory when coming out of hibernation? Would this sound like a place to start looking? if so, anyone have any ideas on how to manipulate this function?
I noticed that the Evo has a touch sensitive lag that is more apparent than any other device. A lot of noobs here thought it was due to the FPS but obviously it wasn't. I can figure it out myself because logically, screen size does not change how heat is transfered between the screen. I'm really curious what exactly it is.... notice how on the iPhone/iPad/iTouch there is zero to no lag in touch display and movement which is what makes gaming on Apple so wicked. The Evo is by far the worst device for this.... Its not a deal breaker by any means, but it is very noticeable when switching between an Apple product and the Evo.
Anyone got any theories as to what it may be? The lag is definitely there but nobody is really talking about it. There MUST be a fix - and NO its not putting custom rom like CM6 on it... its not a rom issue.
I really hope that in future devices Android phone makers will focus on reducing lag times. If there is any apparent gap between iOS and Android besides that app market it would be the lag issue. The reason I even thought of this was when reading a gaming thread earlier today - made me curious...
Oh I totally agree! Just spent 30 mins on 1 level of angry birds trying to be precise and ugh....I'm still trying to calm down.....damn frustration. I've never really spent more than 5 mins with an apple phone so I can't compare. But I could totally tell the lag. But really I've only actually noticed it a couple of times so I dunno what's up
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There MUST be a fix - and NO its not putting custom rom like CM6 on it... its not a rom issue.
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Well of course you're right...
Though I have seen the lag disappear with the addition of Kingx BFS11 kernel. So technically it's not a rom, but a kernel has fixed it for me.
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Well of course you're right...
Though I have seen the lag disappear with the addition of Kingx BFS11 kernel. So technically it's not a rom, but a kernel has fixed it for me.
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Really? So it does not matter how fast you move left to right the screen stays perfectly in sync with the origin....?
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Really? So it does not matter how fast you move left to right the screen stays perfectly in sync with the origin....?
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Or even in circles.
Well, my EVO is pretty responsive, scrolling and pressing things is super responsive.
Kinda weird, but I open the App menu and just scroll through the apps list up and down, kinda weird but it's just fascinates me sometimes .
Maybe you have too much processes going on?
I'm using EvIo Caulkin ROM
Yeah, this problem was a big letdown for me... like you said, not a deal breaker, but very annoying. It just seems to be tiny things that they overlooked. But it appears not so tiny when a lot of other people notice the issue as well.
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Weird. I'm using 100% stock Evo and I also have used an iPhone extensively, and I don't notice any difference to be totally honest... the complete opposite in fact. I've always concluded the Evo was one of the best.
I'm just an average user, maybe I'm not trained enough to notice lol.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.
No problems here
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I only notice it with Sense UI... Other phones like the Epic or whatever, seem to have less of a lag with touch. The minute I install an AOSP ROM, it's butter smooth and more responsive.
And it's not a ROM issue, just a Sense issue.
DC 3.6 and net's 4.2.1 bfs. Responsive as hell. Though, before the fps fixes, lag and studder were very apparent.
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The iPhone's touch panel is just better.
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DC 3.6 and net's 4.2.1 bfs. Responsive as hell. Though, before the fps fixes, lag and studder were very apparent.
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That's not what the OP is talking about. You're thinking of "visual smoothness", the OP is talking about touch accuracy.
Here's a article that goes into it and shows how much better the iPhone is. It's from earlier this year, so no EVO or iPhone 4 comparisons, but it should be a similar case for both.
never had any issues with screen lag/responsiveness.
On a side note though, and very weird, I went to do a test in Angry Birds like someone had mentioned and Angry Birds was mysteriously no longer installed on my phone...bizarre....
Well, guess I misunderstood the OP as well. Mine is very responsive. Sorry.
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I'm using MIUI and Zen kernel and have no noticeable lag, even when playing games. I will say, however, that the glass screen of the iPhone does give it a performance boost on touchscreen response.
i had some lag issues with fresh 3.4 with the stock kernel switched to kings bfs 11 touch lag gone don't know why but it was switched to net's and lag was back left that kernel on and recalibrated the touch screen by calibrateing the keyboard and lag disapeared again but that was me don't know if it will work for anyone else
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The iPhone's touch panel is just better.
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Actually, the touch panel on the evo is simply the best on the market. Look up Atmel MaXTouch... This might simply be a driver issue or even a design decision.
Atmel maXtouch: http://www.atmel.com/products/touchscreens/default.asp
Unlimited touches
Low power consumption
Fast response — completely redraws screen every 4/1000 of a second (4ms) to
eliminate recalibration issues
Excellent signal-to-noise ratio for superior precision — 3x better than competitive
products
Superior performance for first-touch response — 3x better than competitive
products
Unambiguous, unlimited touch support
Responsive user interface: > 250 Hz report rate for a single touch
Extremely low current consumption: < 1.8 mW in "touch-ready" state
Two touch adjacency of less than 10 mm on a 4.3 inch (10.9 cm) touchscreen
Small footprint with few external components
Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves
Grip and face suppression functionality: avoids false touches
Size and angle of touch supported
Screen sizes up to 10.2 inches (25.9 cm) are supported by a single chip
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It even supports gloved hands if the OEM wants that enabled.
The only lag I have is when the phone is plugged in/charging. Other than that there is absolutely no other lag on my Evo. Those that are experiencing lag make sure it's not during charging.
On a side note the OP is truly an iPhone bias according to his previous post. Thought It's pretty funny.
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I noticed that the Evo has a touch sensitive lag that is more apparent than any other device. A lot of noobs here thought it was due to the FPS but obviously it wasn't. I can figure it out myself because logically, screen size does not change how heat is transfered between the screen. I'm really curious what exactly it is.... notice how on the iPhone/iPad/iTouch there is zero to no lag in touch display and movement which is what makes gaming on Apple so wicked. The Evo is by far the worst device for this.... Its not a deal breaker by any means, but it is very noticeable when switching between an Apple product and the Evo.
Anyone got any theories as to what it may be? The lag is definitely there but nobody is really talking about it. There MUST be a fix - and NO its not putting custom rom like CM6 on it... its not a rom issue.
I really hope that in future devices Android phone makers will focus on reducing lag times. If there is any apparent gap between iOS and Android besides that app market it would be the lag issue. The reason I even thought of this was when reading a gaming thread earlier today - made me curious...
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If you're up-to-date and you have a significant amount of free space on your internal storage and your phone is still laggy... return it because it's obviously defective.
Try a factory reset and/or a new kernel. Then kill off some of the sprint and htc bloatware.
Going from HTC Kernel #11 to #17 there was a noticeable difference in performance for me.
Going from there to AOSP was a complete improvement.
The stock rom is unbearable once you use a tweaked rom.
If none of that works I would bet your phone is defective and you should go back to your iphone.
Want to supply us with a software version and kernel version of your phone?
Or atleast something more than "The Evo sucks and the iphone is great"
Hello all,
I bought this device 2 days ago. Since there isn't much info about it yet, I thought I'd post some benchmark results and my personal experiences with it:
Antutu 5.7.1 64bit: 46929
Antutu 5.7.1 32bit: 44842
A1 SD Bench:
Tests done on internal memory
Sequential read: 110,8MB/s
Sequential write: 45.69MB/s
Random read: 48.72MB/s
Random write: 1.47MB/s
Browser experience is acceptable. But webpages using javascripts are lagging like a older generation tablet (like my old Asus transformer TF700). When I turned off java scripts in chrome, it was much smoother, but missing features provided by java script.
Sound is loud and clear. Some distortion at the highest levels though. Still the best tablet sound you can get I reckon.
Screen is really bright and crispy. Had some minor issues with the touch. A couple of times it hasn't been responsive. But after reboot it has been ok again.
Projector feature is cool. Don't really have anything to compare with. But I watched Terminator Genesis on a white wall in a dark room, and it's really a nice experience for a portable device. I travel alot with work, so as an entertainment system on the go this suits me fine.
yeah, Lenovo starts to Microsoft more and more as time goes on...
a new version, minor changes more expensive, same (bad) experience
Lenovo Yoga Tab 65.2 Pro huh? buzz inside, lenovo outside, tap for daa deee daa doo, now as a preinstalled system app (dadedado_v23.4.apk)
I've had it since 24 oct. Love the HW, hate the SW. Chrome is really laggy/slow. And I have the issue with the screen not recognizing touches several times, really annoying.
I will use it mostly for watching movies/series while travelling so I'll survive anyway, but it should not perform this poorly! I hope an OTA will fix this..
Edit: The multitask is also really bad. Why would they change the stock one for something that slow??
Had mine a couple of days. Everything fine apart from browser. Chrome slow and Dolphin crashes all the time. Sound excellent and screen and projector above expectation. Battery superb.
hi, is there a way to root it yet?
I just got an OTA update which brings us the multi tasking / recent apps from stock Android and an overall better performance with less stuttering.
Awesome!!
Thanks for the heads up. Funny there was no notification. Seems to be a new kernel build .
As for rooting it looks like this should work http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/development/intel-android-devices-root-temp-cwm-t2975096
AYOR. Haven't had time to try yet.
Yeah, that tiny update (18mb) fixed alot! Keep it up Lenovo!
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Thank god for the update. Fixed my main issues. Anyone know what restmode is? (the "moon" in notification bar)
Seems to increase screen timeout in 3 steps by 30secs/step.
Just got mine today. Very happy with it as it's my first non Samsung tablet.
Just a small question: is there a way to use multi window on this tablet?
Hope someone can help...
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Settings/system/multi window.
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Settings/system/multi window.
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This option was not available before the update.
now i am enjoying my new cinema at home.
Root
rafik_wahby said:
This option was not available before the update.
now i am enjoying my new cinema at home.
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Hi, it's great Tab, but Iam waiting for a good Way to root it.
go here and try to grab the fastboot file
how about battery
mrkaasa said:
Hello all,
I bought this device 2 days ago. Since there isn't much info about it yet, I thought I'd post some benchmark results and my personal experiences with it:
Antutu 5.7.1 64bit: 46929
Antutu 5.7.1 32bit: 44842
A1 SD Bench:
Tests done on internal memory
Sequential read: 110,8MB/s
Sequential write: 45.69MB/s
Random read: 48.72MB/s
Random write: 1.47MB/s
Browser experience is acceptable. But webpages using javascripts are lagging like a older generation tablet (like my old Asus transformer TF700). When I turned off java scripts in chrome, it was much smoother, but missing features provided by java script.
Sound is loud and clear. Some distortion at the highest levels though. Still the best tablet sound you can get I reckon.
Screen is really bright and crispy. Had some minor issues with the touch. A couple of times it hasn't been responsive. But after reboot it has been ok again.
Projector feature is cool. Don't really have anything to compare with. But I watched Terminator Genesis on a white wall in a dark room, and it's really a nice experience for a portable device. I travel alot with work, so as an entertainment system on the go this suits me fine.
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my tab 2 10 inch when watch youtube MKX 1080p 60fps with 50%brightness and max volume in one hour consume 20%, how about yours
Hey all. I received this tablet today and love the screen and sound quality. The projector is adequate for tv shows/films and overall, for the price the tablet with built in projector is well worth the money.
The media for it says it comes with a Netflix widget built in and I saw it in a review I watched but mine didn't come with it? Did anyone else actually get it? Seems weird they make a big deal about it then leave it off. It's no major biggie as the app works and with the 4 speakers it sounds amazing but, because they said it had the widget, I want the widget! hehe
Got a new OTA update today, anyone else?
Dont notice any differences though
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Got a new OTA update today, anyone else?
Dont notice any differences though
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I got the new OTA too but didn't see any changelog. Bigger update than the last and the tablet does feel faster/smoother since. Previously I did have some stutters when scrolling in Facebook and moving from app to app but it definitely seemed better today.
anyone with LTE version got those updates ? I read in another forum that theres still no update for multiwindow on LTE version :crying:
Hi, it is normal that the projected image is more blurry on the left side?
Can anyone please report if they are seeing lots of crazy frame drops on this phone? I'm running rooted Xxx No Limits, but have observed the same on Elemental OS too. When you turn on 'Profile GPU Rendering' in the Developer Settings to 'On screen bars', I see a crazy amount of frame drops every where. I bought this phone because it is suppose to offer the best smoothness and performance rivaling only the Pixel, specially after the fantastic 3T. Attached are some images showing the frame drops on even mundane tasks like scrolling Settings menu. Is anyone else seeing this behavior?
I use Action Launcher, but can anyone report if they see this on their stock launcher or other launchers?
PS: The phone 'seems' smooth and fast when doing these tasks. It doesn't seem to slow down and drop frames like crazy like an S8 or G6, which can be seen with the naked eye. It's only when I turn on GPU profiling that I can detect these frame drops. Is the GPU profiling reporting 'broken' and incorrectly reporting lots of frame drops? I'm confused.
Hey, I just checked and I got the exact same results, maybe even a bit more drops than you do. I'm using the stock launcher. Phone is absolutely smooth aside from that. I'm not sure, but this may be in correspondence with the jelly-scrolling issue? I'm not sure if I'm affected though, if yes, the jelly effect is minimal.
Are you affected by the jelly scrolling?
Chaphasilor said:
Hey, I just checked and I got the exact same results, maybe even a bit more drops than you do. I'm using the stock launcher. Phone is absolutely smooth aside from that. I'm not sure, but this may be in correspondence with the jelly-scrolling issue? I'm not sure if I'm affected though, if yes, the jelly effect is minimal.
Are you affected by the jelly scrolling?
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I don't see the jelly scrolling effect on my phone. I'm not sure if this frame drop issue and the jelly scrolling effect are related. Its interesting to know that you see a lot more frame drops in the rendering.
i agreed with you, for this phone having the latest 835 which is suppose to give a straight line of performance (no frame drops) yet i see a lot of those
what the hell is going on with this phone ...
i dont know if its the phone or the softwere but im so returning, the only reason i bought was because of the 835 and because its was the latest and will give you continues performance, its all a lie
Probably because the screen is upside down!
B3501 said:
Probably because the screen is upside down!
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ha! True!
Its a cheap chinese knock off phone
worldsoutro said:
ha! True!
Its a cheap chinese knock off phone
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100%
Just tested on a Galaxy S8 and that graph looks even worst!!!!
What's happening?!?! Snap 835 is the culprit?
But I've seen a review with the HTC U11 and it doesn't do this.
Yeah mine is far from smooth as well, dunno,it just does not scroll smooth, my Nexus 5 on MIUI is soooo much smoother, way less frame drops.. I suppose theissue will vanish with the right ROM / Optmization, perhaps changing to a different CPU governor could help already..
Is this really a big deal if you can't see it until you run this log that shows you its happening?
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Is this really a big deal if you can't see it until you run this log that shows you its happening?
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People are like: "I didn't know I had a problem until I ran this app now I'm like O..M..G!". These people can't be for real. They should try standing on there heads, looking in a mirror, with the phone upside down.. see how it scores.
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People are like: "I didn't know I had a problem until I ran this app now I'm like O..M..G!". These people can't be for real. They should try standing on there heads, looking in a mirror, with the phone upside down.. see how it scores.
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Its like the Jelly scrolling thing. I bet 85% of the people *****ing about it haven't even held a OP5. I watched those videos and then paid close attention to my 6P, guess what? It does the same damn thing!
About the only real issues I have seen are the WiFi and autobrightness issues, and camera performance. The WiFi seems to have been fixed and the camera could and most likely will be improved... I hope.
And from what I have seen out of the camera isn't bad, but it is very average for a phone bought 2 years ago. I just believe the hardware is much more capable of better results.
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Its like the Jelly scrolling thing. I bet 85% of the people *****ing about it haven't even held a OP5. I watched those videos and then paid close attention to my 6P, guess what? It does the same damn thing!
About the only real issues I have seen are the WiFi and autobrightness issues, and camera performance. The WiFi seems to have been fixed and the camera could and most likely will be improved... I hope.
And from what I have seen out of the camera isn't bad, but it is very average for a phone bought 2 years ago. I just believe the hardware is much more capable of better results.
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I'm right there with you brother.. The auto brightness has been a "real" issue for me. I have not had the jelly thing but then again I didn't go looking for it. The camera? Well I took what I though were some really nice looking photos over the 4th.
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Is this really a big deal if you can't see it until you run this log that shows you its happening?
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People are like: "I didn't know I had a problem until I ran this app now I'm like O..M..G!". These people can't be for real. They should try standing on there heads, looking in a mirror, with the phone upside down.. see how it scores.
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Thank god I am not the only one, reading through some of the threads I am starting to feel like I am the crazy here. People are like "The phone is smooth but this tool is showing frame drops, **** Oneplus, I am returning this phone."
So they will return a 500€ flagship which runs smooth and they dont notice lags without a tool? They expect that the CPU is the cause of frame drops?
Seriously, this must be a joke. Its just looking for a problem when you dont have one.
I do notice the jelly scrolling, but its minimal, so its kinda cool, like a subtle animation.
Camera could be better but nobody can say its bad, they just overhyped it and didn't meet expectation.
Battery life is like out of this world, I got 8h of SoT, good luck on other phones with that.
No other issues were encountered in the meantime. Perfect phone.
I get drops with the launcher, inc app drawer but it's not significant. I'm currently using a custom kernel as well.
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I get drops with the launcher, inc app drawer but it's not significant. I'm currently using a custom kernel as well.
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The screenshot you have posted doesn't show any frame drops. Can you let e know what kernel you are using?
Here are my rom and kernel details. No governor settings changes etc, I'm just using the kernel out-the-box.