I have done my research and can't seem to find a solid answer, has anyone had the chance to test one, or recieved an official response from Sony? Cheers
Nope, consumer versions of the Xperia Play do not support HDMI out, even on the LiveDock.
The only Xperia Play phones that support HDMI out are dev phones.
The current dock (DK300) has no HDMI out support but I believe there is a new dock coming sometime soon that will support it.
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The current dock (DK300) has no HDMI out support but I believe there is a new dock coming sometime soon that will support it.
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I think that's the one he's asking about ( the new one)
Read this post there's a little info on it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17107876&postcount=25
It comes from this trhread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1234259
Regards Dousan...
yep that's the one! from the youtube videos it seems to just use the micro usb port for everything (including tv-out functionality) so I can't see why it wouldn't work, but I haven't found any confirmation that it does...
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I think that's the one he's asking about ( the new one)
Read this post there's a little info on it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17107876&postcount=25
It comes from this trhread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1234259
Regards Dousan...
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@ dousan. As you can see in this video. It defo only uses the USB port for HDMI out. Not the HDMI port like we was talking about in that other thread. The HDMI port on the Arc is on the top like the power button on the play. The dock has the HDMI port on the back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhr6AuPLwmU&feature=related
But that is not how it connects to HDMI. The dock does not support HDMI. It is the phone hardware.
As in the other thread there are photos of how they connected it to the TV.
The USB device connects to the device, the charger connects to the device and uses that same cable. The then connect to the HDMI on the TV via the HDMI port on the phone.
The Dock is not an all in one solution.
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But that is not how it connects to HDMI. The dock does not support HDMI. It is the phone hardware.
As in the other thread there are photos of how they connected it to the TV.
The USB device connects to the device, the charger connects to the device and uses that same cable. The then connect to the HDMI on the TV via the HDMI port on the phone.
The Dock is not an all in one solution.
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Watch the video, you can clearly see the USB and HDMI port on the back of the dock
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But that is not how it connects to HDMI. The dock does not support HDMI. It is the phone hardware.
As in the other thread there are photos of how they connected it to the TV.
The USB device connects to the device, the charger connects to the device and uses that same cable. The then connect to the HDMI on the TV via the HDMI port on the phone.
The Dock is not an all in one solution.
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Do you think there's a way to spoof the phone to bypass the 'buffer' the dock creates? I don't see why SE didn't just put the hdmi port on the PLAY.
AndroHero said:
Watch the video, you can clearly see the USB and HDMI port on the back of the dock
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Infact to be honest. I can not tell if that is a USB or HDMI port on the back of the dock. lol
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You are wrong.
That is a standard usb connection and a micro usb connection and that is not how the phone connects to the TV.
Watch the 2.3.4 Xperia software update video.
>_< This is what i was trying to explain the whole time in the other thread and now to know that you thought that was an HDMI out port means you didn't even follow the pictures I posted.
Another video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHRgdEA__LA
This has been discussed before on the official Sony Ericsson forums. The consumer release Xperia Play does not and will not have HDMI out capabilities with or without the LiveDock.
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This has been discussed before on the official Sony Ericsson forums. The consumer release Xperia Play does not and will not have HDMI out capabilities with or without the LiveDock.
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Thanks, so this has been officially confirmed? Does this phone use a different type of micro usb port to the other xperia phones then? Is it a hardware or software limitation (ie could a hack be produced)?
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This has been discussed before on the official Sony Ericsson forums. The consumer release Xperia Play does not and will not have HDMI out capabilities with or without the LiveDock.
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Yes but recently the same marketing division said :
I can confirm that the following is available for the Xperia Play based on your question's once the update has been released.
Enhanced camera capabilities from Sony including 3D sweep panorama
The software upgrade enables consumers to turn their Xperia smartphone into a mini-mobile PC by connecting USB peripherals (mouse, keyboard or game controller) to Sony Ericsson LiveDock™ multimedia station. Connect the smartphone to a TV via HDMI to get a big screen experience
I can also advise that there are currently no plans for HD 720p recording for the Xperia Play.
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Which has added to the confusion.
crimsonnight said:
Thanks, so this has been officially confirmed? Does this phone use a different type of micro usb port to the other xperia phones then? Is it a hardware or software limitation (ie could a hack be produced)?
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It's a hardware limitation, they took it out of the specifications before release.
The LiveDock would basically act as a pass-through, not a hardware solution.
It is possible to get video through the USB port, but at very low refresh rates, like 1 frame per second.
ASM is one tool:
http://code.google.com/p/android-screen-monitor/
And there are other remote desktop applications that can produce video out through USB with slow refresh rates.
subcu1ture said:
You are wrong.
That is a standard usb connection and a micro usb connection and that is not how the phone connects to the TV.
Watch the 2.3.4 Xperia software update video.
>_< This is what i was trying to explain the whole time in the other thread and now to know that you thought that was an HDMI out port means you didn't even follow the pictures I posted.
Another video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHRgdEA__LA
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Calm down. It's no big deal. I did follow your pictures but wondered if there was another way to connect. As i thought some of the other xperia devices supported by the dock didn't have HDMI out. I now concede defeat. Guess i'll have to dig out my PS1 to play FF7 on my TV
The thing that catches my eye is that he clearly states it's for the play but the section about hdmi and USB peripherals it only says xperia smartphone's, not xperia play? That's confusing me.
Regards Dousan...
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The thing that catches my eye is that he clearly states it's for the play but the section about hdmi and USB peripherals it only says xperia smartphone's, not xperia play? That's confusing me.
Regards Dousan...
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It's just a script they get given to read out. Thats why. The people sony employ usually know little about the products there ment to be supporting
What i find weird is that in the service menu via - *#*#7378423#*#*
There is options to turn HDMI on or off and also test it.
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What i find weird is that in the service menu via - *#*#7378423#*#*
There is options to turn HDMI on or off and also test it.
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Yeah but it also has Irda test in it, so I imagine this tests are standard, and not especially designed for the Play.
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what about this ??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=480899
finally, someone really smart did it waiting...
one more question, it works with mini usb tv-out cable?
Erikazz said:
finally, someone really smart did it waiting...
one more question, it works with mini usb tv-out cable?
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It seems that it uses 3.5mm headphone output,cause on mini usb are no cable attached
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what about this ??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=480899
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Believe me it will not be enough, I have to change a different USB Port and a little panel modification. Huh? Finally it's working but very slow.
kew1701 said:
It seems that it uses 3.5mm headphone output,cause on mini usb are no cable attached
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Absolutely correct. I try Nokia TV Out Cable,
How is that possible, i thought the X1 doesnt have the hardware for TV-out?
nurps said:
How is that possible, i thought the X1 doesnt have the hardware for TV-out?
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Our msm7200A/7201A support TV-Out, maybe HTC (that build our kovsky aka xperia x1) didn't want to give SE an advantage against his phone and did not connected 35mm to video out
We will need soldering? I love soldering
Ow what are you doin' so it can work, Big Bang Holic?
How could you do that??? Tell us please....hehehe...
any news?
i start to think, that tv-out still impassible on xperia x1
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i start to think, that tv-out still impassible on xperia x1
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Yeah, the OP hasn't been here for over 2 weeks now.
And what exactly would be the purpose of TV out? The Movies that can be played smoothly on an Xperia X1 are of far to low quality to watch them on a tv screen. And for everything else I don't see the point.
Just wondering if anyone has figured out a way to hook up the Xperia play to a display like a computer monitor or TV?
I'm on AT&T, so don't have an Xperia Play, but may consider it if it indeed hits AT&T later this year.
If the USB could be switched to host mode, ought to be able to use a USB monitor or tack on an adapter to convert to DVI or HDMI?
~Troop
Yes if http://m.itproportal.com/2011/02/13/exclusive-meet-sony-ericsson-xperia-play-docking-station/ is real
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Yes if http://m.itproportal.com/2011/02/13/exclusive-meet-sony-ericsson-xperia-play-docking-station/ is real
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Thats the one thats out now. It does not have HDMI output!
The Article was written Feb 2011, the Xplay was not even out yet!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/analogix-slim-port-technology-lets-you-connect-your-phone-to-you/
Sometimes, the simplest ideas are the best ones, and Analogix Slim Port technology certainly qualifies as both. It's a cabling solution that allows you to mirror what's on your phone or tablet's screen to your TV via microUSB -- instead of needing an extra HDMI or MHL port. Analogix's secret sauce is on a chip embedded in the jack portion of the cable and because it's based on DisplayPort technology, it can connect using HDMI, VGA, or DVI connections. Of course, as an OEM, Analogix won't be selling the cables when they go on sale this summer, but retailers like Belkin and BizLink will probably be put one in your bag for around $20 or $30 bucks.
-engadget
So now we can connect our beloved Play to that TV XD
I think it doesn't work like that... you have to have the tech on your phone (Mobility DisplayPort (MYDP) digital interface) it then allows uncompressed video/audio from a phone over display-port and also allows usb transfer modes
http://www.interconnectionworld.com/index/display/wire-news-display/1578435639.html
It won't work on the play
ff7fan4eva said:
I think it doesn't work like that... you have to have the tech on your phone (Mobility DisplayPort (MYDP) digital interface) it then allows uncompressed video/audio from a phone over display-port and also allows usb transfer modes
http://www.interconnectionworld.com/index/display/wire-news-display/1578435639.html
It won't work on the play
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i dont get you guys it clearly says it uses the MICRO USB port on the mobile device i mean how much more clearer need it be regardless ive sent an email to analogix and will tell u guys what they say
Why do we have two threads about the exact same thing I dont know
But i'll post the same thing I did over in the other one
Do you think that TV out is just going to magicly work when you plug in USB LOL
FYI your usb port is never outputting video lol. you would have to run some type of program to do it and that will use CPU power
When have you ever plugged usb into your PC and a message comes up "Would you like to mirror image on your screen?"
You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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Why do we have two threads about the exact same thing I dont know
But i'll post the same thing I did over in the other one
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You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
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You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
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I wasnt aware of that fact
you got a source i can see for my own eyes? thanks
also my points is still valid. the device aint outputting video as it sits now
You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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Thats because it used VNC. VNC lags on anything.
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I wasnt aware of that fact
you got a source i can see for my own eyes? thanks
also my points is still valid. the device aint outputting video as it sits now
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check the spec sheets. Also, notice that the Play has Dev units with HDMI out and they don't lag a little.
A bit off topic, but I don't think I ever posted this while I was analyzing the play for HDMI.
According to the kernel, the Dev plays have this chipset and all Plays have the drivers for it: http://www.analog.com/en/audiovideo-products/analoghdmidvi-interfaces/adv7520/products/product.html
And this can be seen on the Dell Streak: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Dell-Streak-Teardown/3512/2
Now, I tore apart my Play (when I had it), and I can confirm that that chip is NOT on my retail r800i. This means that there is no "hidden" port or some unfilled solderpads that can be used to attach a microhdmi. There is NO support on the retail motherboard for it. You can't even buy the ADV7520 chip because there are no space on the retail motherboard for it.
There's no chip or hdmi port on the play I've watched dissasemblies of all types r800a,x,I
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There is a solution where you connect to a bluetooth HDMI dongle using your bluetooth and its specific app to stream phone content onto the screen, I think it was mentioned on Engadget but I cannot seem to find the link for it.
Logseman said:
check the spec sheets. Also, notice that the Play has Dev units with HDMI out and they don't lag a little.
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so your dev unit theory is irrelevant because our plays contain none of the architecture to run this setup with hdmi.
would have to find another solution.
Hogwarts said:
so your dev unit theory is irrelevant because our plays contain none of the architecture to run this setup with hdmi.
would have to find another solution.
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I don't have a theory, as I don't care one bit about TV output of any kind. However, you mentioned that the PSP wasn't powerful enough to beam out content, which is not a problem in the Xperia Play (or Arc and Neo for that matter).
Why do people keep saying "the play has no HDMI transmitter" if you read the OP, with this cable the HDMI transmitter is built into the jack, the device does not need one
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Thats because it used VNC. VNC lags on anything.
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Pretty sure it didn't
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AndroHero said:
Why do people keep saying "the play has no HDMI transmitter" if you read the OP, with this cable the HDMI transmitter is built into the jack, the device does not need one
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FINALLY someone bothers to actually read the goddamed article
So the USB Device registers itself as.. what exactly ?
I mean, the play still has to send it's image to the dongle either way.
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So the USB Device registers itself as.. what exactly ?
I mean, the play still has to send it's image to the dongle either way.
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The adapter is probably accompanied with an app. Although the app would need root acces, atleast I think so.
whilst i think this would be an awesome piece of kit if it works as intended, im a little curious as to how it actually works, afaik the cpu sends its work to the gpu for output, the gpu processes it, and outputs it to the display....so how exactly does the usb port get the information from gpu...maybe easy with root access on one device...but making it work on a wide range of devices would be crazy hard.
im not gonna straight up bash this, because they have said its a vendor agnostic solution, so im assuming they have worked out some technical magic with no downsides to pull this off. I'm all for being proved wrong, i just want to see it in action.
TLRtheory said:
You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
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First statement is a bit overstated.
By capability the gpu in the PSP has a fillrate of 30 million polygons/s
I believe our Adreno has 52 mil/s
Plus instead of the capability I believe it was the limitation of USB speeds that affected the computer mirroring software.
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/analogix-slim-port-technology-lets-you-connect-your-phone-to-you/
link says it all but yeah i am SOO GODAMNN HYPED finally after the wait some clever sons of *****es save the day!!
Not sure if this will work on our Xplay... Try to not hype before a real confirmation.
EDIT: from another thread:
ff7fan4eva said:
I think it doesn't work like that... you have to have the tech on your phone (Mobility DisplayPort (MYDP) digital interface) it then allows uncompressed video/audio from a phone over display-port and also allows usb transfer modes
http://www.interconnectionworld.com/index/display/wire-news-display/1578435639.html
It won't work on the play
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As I thought...
Miles Wolf said:
Not sure if this will work on our Xplay... Try to not hype before a real confirmation.
EDIT: from another thread:
As I thought...
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sorry but all im reading is that it will use the micro-usb port to mirror the phones images onto a monitor/tv it doesnt say anything about having a certain technology i refuse to call dibs on this one alongside this " instead of needing an extra HDMI or MHL port. Analogix's secret sauce is on a chip embedded in the jack portion of the cable and because it's based on DisplayPort technology, it can connect using HDMI, VGA, or DVI connections"
It might be software based. Can never put anything past a software solution.
Do you think that TV out is just going to magicly work when you plug in USB LOL
FYI your usb port is never outputting video lol. you would have to run some type of program to do it and that will use CPU power
When have you ever plugged usb into your PC and a message comes up "Would you like to mirror image on your screen?"
You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
Why doesn't someone just try it out lol
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psxpetey said:
Why doesn't someone just try it out lol
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read article and you will see its not even released yet
probably will never come to light
Hogwarts said:
Do you think that TV out is just going to magicly work when you plug in USB LOL
FYI your usb port is never outputting video lol. you would have to run some type of program to do it and that will use CPU power
When have you ever plugged usb into your PC and a message comes up "Would you like to mirror image on your screen?"
You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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PSP remote play? Didn't lag for me on usb n wifi
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Hogwarts said:
Do you think that TV out is just going to magicly work when you plug in USB LOL
FYI your usb port is never outputting video lol. you would have to run some type of program to do it and that will use CPU power
When have you ever plugged usb into your PC and a message comes up "Would you like to mirror image on your screen?"
You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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PSP mirroring lag would be explained by the USB itself and the limited ram
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amansth said:
PSP mirroring lag would be explained by the USB itself and the limited ram
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Not to mention the limited CPU speed/technology, 333MHz I'm amazed it could even boot...
RemoteJoy on the psp?
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I've tried two generic 5-pin USB -> MHL adapters and found the performance to be horrific. I can get them plugged in properly despite the port cover trying to stop me but I found the whole experience to be extremely poor.
Would using a branded MHL adapter help? I've read that the GPU has twice the work load rendering the output on the XTZ screen as well as out via the HDMI but really, they're both 1080p displays so shouldn't it just be a case of mirroring rather than rendering two 1080p displays?
I've tried SNES, PSone and just Chrome browser and the experience is still bad. Low framerates, sometimes the display will go black for no apparent reason for a second, other times it will stop working and I'll hear a screeching coming out of the TV speakers and garbage display.
Would a branded (Samsung, Sony) MHL cable give any better performance or should I just give up and stop trying to use this tablet on the TV? One of the only reasons I bought the tablet was TV gaming (as a portable emulator box of sorts). It's just infuriating because it works perfectly on the devices screen
Does anyone know if a jailbroken iPad with TV output running emulators has the same performance issues or it just works?
I have got the Samsung MHL adapter and it's the same experience for me, low frame rates in general, so I gave up using this tablet with a TV. Maybe with the screen mirroring could work better but I haven't tried it.
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I have the Sony branded one. I will test it out some and see how the performance is. Haven't used it much with the tablet as I use it with the Xperia TL mostly.
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Spectre51 said:
I have the Sony branded one. I will test it out some and see how the performance is. Haven't used it much with the tablet as I use it with the Xperia TL mostly.
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Could you tell us whether HDMI-CEC works with the Sony one please? I have a third party adapter and I can't control the device from my TV remote, which makes it useless to me.
I use Samsung-branded MHL adapter and CEC works with no problems.
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Don't have anything to comment on your questions as I don't have an MHL plug at all, though I might have some ideas on poor performance.
This might be due to the fact that the tablet forces [email protected] refresh rate (defacto standart for movies and mostly any other video). This way you're getting 24 FPS only.
Why do I think it's doing so? Because Sony Xperia S did the same with its HDMI out. There was a way to force 60hz refresh rate and get decent fps through the service menu (*#*#service#*#*) but they killed that workaround after the 4.1 update. You can try this workaround on Tablet Z.
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Don't have anything to comment on your questions as I don't have an MHL plug at all, though I might have some ideas on poor performance.
This might be due to the fact that the tablet forces [email protected] refresh rate (defacto standart for movies and mostly any other video). This way you're getting 24 FPS only.
Why do I think it's doing so? Because Sony Xperia S did the same with its HDMI out. There was a way to force 60hz refresh rate and get decent fps through the service menu (*#*#service#*#*) but they killed that workaround after the 4.1 update. You can try this workaround on Tablet Z.
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THANK YOU! I researched how to get into the menu (funny place hidden in the contacts app [A guide], I poked around and found a setting which can be changed after the MHL cable is connected (power cable and TV powered on) - as expected it was set to 1080p24 so I put it to 720p60 and like magic all of the apps I've tried so far run at around the same speed as the tablet on its own, Sonic CD looks magically smooth as well as the SNES emulator is playable. I'm going to make a YouTube tutorial/demo later today or tomorrow.
I'm just confused why Sony would choose to bury a setting this critical to the performance and public perception of the device in the service menu and not the Xperia menu in settings, they could even have descriptions "When MHL is connected the device will run at 1080p24 which is ideal for movies and photos, 720p60 is ideal for gaming and using the tablet normally".
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I'm just confused why Sony would choose to bury a setting this critical to the performance and public perception of the device in the service menu and not the Xperia menu in settings
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Glad this helped you. Yeah, makes little sense. It makes even less sense if you consider the fact that I wrote to them about this issue and even got response with thanks and promises to fix it. And here we have absolutely new device with the same problem :\
What's more interesting is that [email protected] is a pretty niche mode suitable for video/movies only (and even then it's not for every format). Any interactive productivity (such as games or simply ui navigation) is almost incompatible with it. That's why 60hz is an approved standard. I wonder whose was this great idea at sony to make 24hz a default mode.
...so you're saying [email protected] is not even available now? It was available at xperia s.
The case is that MHL standard used in XTZ does NOT support [email protected] Check the specs
I have another Problem with MHL and Docking Station.
When MHL-Cable is pluged into Micro-USB you can not plug Tablet Z into the original Docking-Station
You have to flip 180° . BUT screen does noch turn with MHL connected !
Any Idea how to use MHL WITH Doking-Station ???
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I have another Problem with MHL and Docking Station.
When MHL-Cable is pluged into Micro-USB you can not plug Tablet Z into the original Docking-Station
You have to flip 180° . BUT screen does noch turn with MHL connected !
Any Idea how to use MHL WITH Doking-Station ???
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not possible, but using a miracast dongle might wurk
****ty generic MHL with Xperia Tablet Z
Same problem using two different MHL adapters. Also mistakenly bought this tablet in part to use as a media center..