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Today at Build Microsoft announced that Windows 8 would launch with ARM support. Does this mean someone could potentially port it for the Iconia to be used in those times when a Window based software is needed but neither PC nor VLC is unavailable?
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brady.wassam said:
Today at Build Microsoft announced that Windows 8 would launch with ARM support. Does this mean someone could potentially port it for the Iconia to be used in those times when a Window based software is needed but neither PC nor VLC is unavailable?
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This being a "mature developer website" has a search function and q&a section. Both would lead you to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259742
Anyway, only time will tell if win8 will be ported to the iconia (or any other android tablet). I haven't heard of wp7 being ported to an android phone, so I wouldn't bet on it. Still I can see the potential in it and would gladly try it (especially if it can be made as dual-boot).
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Downloaded and installed the "Developers Preview" of Win 8 last night. Remember this is a pre-beta release, and for certain it's in it's infancy relatively speaking. As of this moment in time, Android has a much smoother interface for touch. Win 8 still feels a bit sticky for lack of a better word. I installed it on my HP Touchsmart TM2 2150 US laptop (core i3 with 8Gb ram), so it's not exactly a slouch in terms of hardware. It's a total touch screen laptop that has a screen that folds down onto the keyboard to create a tablet. As of this moment, Win 7 has a much better touch screen experience, but I fully expect that to change as the builds mature.
There are very few apps that come with it (28 I believe), and no app store as of yet obviously.
I read last night that typical Windows apps will not run on the ARM version of Win 8, and that MS is going to do it's best to prevent side loading of apps on the ARM version to keep people purchasing apps, instead of loading them from a USB stick or SD card, but that is just rumor as of right now.
Long story short, you're not missing much yet.
tkolev said:
only time will tell if win8 will be ported to the iconia
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I appreciate this is in the A500 forum, but the Iconia also comes in a W500 variant which does indeed run Win8:
http://youtu.be/_CNQVk7nok0
twisticles said:
I appreciate this is in the A500 forum, but the Iconia also comes in a W500 variant which does indeed run Win8
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Some of us already have an a500. No need to bring up another piece of hardware. "Yeah your Honda s2000 can fit a Corvette engine, but why not get a Corvette instead"
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I don't think Microsoft will be releasing a beta for ARM chips and we will see Windows 8 run on ARM only during retail. After that XDA will not port Windows 8 simply because it would be considered illegal.
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I appreciate this is in the A500 forum, but the Iconia also comes in a W500 variant which does indeed run Win8:
http://youtu.be/_CNQVk7nok0
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The OP was asking about the ARM version of win8, so I seriously doubt that it is about the w500.
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I installed Windows 8 on my pc a few hours ago. It is very smooth! But my DVD burner doesn't work... Anyway, I would love to see it on the A500.
Here's a preview of Win 8 tablets. Acer's is running an AMD chip instead of a Tegra:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon
Windows 8
Windows 8 *might* just support ARM. Everyone on the net is talking about it but no one is really sure. But as for now if you want something similar to Windows 8 there's always WinCE7 :-D Cheers.
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I don't think Microsoft will be releasing a beta for ARM chips and we will see Windows 8 run on ARM only during retail. After that XDA will not port Windows 8 simply because it would be considered illegal.
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Look at HTC HD2, illegal?! I think no retail arm based version. No retail maybe dev can port. Maybe it is hard to port and that is the be ass.
emo-dudes said:
Windows 8 *might* just support ARM. Everyone on the net is talking about it but no one is really sure. But as for now if you want something similar to Windows 8 there's always WinCE7 :-D Cheers.
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There's no "might" about it. Microsoft confirmed ages ago that there WILL be an ARM version of Windows 8, and recently clarified that it will NOT run native x86 applications. It's conjectured that that .NET applications should run with either minimal changes, or straight off the bat.
It's also been demoed running on Tegra 3 hardware.
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There's no "might" about it. Microsoft confirmed ages ago that there WILL be an ARM version of Windows 8, and recently clarified that it will NOT run native x86 applications. It's conjectured that that .NET applications should run with either minimal changes, or straight off the bat.
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Pure .NET applications should run just fine as long as they're using the same .NET framework as W8 does, but Microsoft is encouraging devs to use HTML5 for anything simple enough. They're aiming for HTML5 support to be top-notch and W8 and to be all-encompassing.
And yes, I concur with FloatingFatMan: why do people even think an ARM W8 would be able to run x86 binaries? That's just plain stupid. ARM applications will run on ARM W8, x86 applications will run on x86 W8, that's that.
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Pure .NET applications should run just fine as long as they're using the same .NET framework as W8 does, but Microsoft is encouraging devs to use HTML5 for anything simple enough. They're aiming for HTML5 support to be top-notch and W8 and to be all-encompassing.
And yes, I concur with FloatingFatMan: why do people even think an ARM W8 would be able to run x86 binaries? That's just plain stupid. ARM applications will run on ARM W8, x86 applications will run on x86 W8, that's that.
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There was some rumour that Ms would my providing some transcoding layers as part of the ARM kernel, much like Apple did with the first x86 versions of OSX, but that would be horrendously slow and open the ARM platform to x86 malware.
Pure .NET apps SHOULD run fine, unless MS ship the compact framework instead of the full one. As for HTML5... URGH! (I'm a C# programmer, and after being shafted by MS over first WPF and now Silverlight, they can blow HTML5 out their asses! )
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There was some rumour that Ms would my providing some transcoding layers as part of the ARM kernel
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I know there was such a rumour, but anyone with half a braincell should've realized that it was just wishful thinking from people who don't know what they're talking about.
ARM devices are first and foremost mobile devices so an emulation layer would eat horribly on the battery. Not to mention that I am not aware of a single ARM processor sporting any kind of hardware virtualization features or transcoding mechanisms, so the performance would be really poor, too.
And if Microsoft did make such an emulation layer it would be Microsoft that would get all the blame for horribly low battery-life and poor performance because people wouldn't understand the underlying problem. Microsoft saves themselves a lot bad PR just by avoiding the whole thing altogether.
Pure .NET apps SHOULD run fine, unless MS ship the compact framework instead of the full one. As for HTML5... URGH! (I'm a C# programmer, and after being shafted by MS over first WPF and now Silverlight, they can blow HTML5 out their asses! )
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They're already churning lawyers at full speed from their arses, there's no more capacity for HTML5 there, too.
Would it be possible to use windows 8 on our android phone like we made ubuntu work? or even make it a custom rom??
With ubuntu we pretty much just mount the .img and connect to it with vnc right? couldnt we do the same with the dev. preveiw of windows 8?
Certainly hope so. There is always virtual machines.
Or you can install teamviewer like some dumb people pretent to use windows on iPad and iPhone
This would be fun to mess around with if this could be done.
Well, once/if the ARM version gets publicly released, then it should in theory be possible.
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Well, once/if the ARM version gets publicly released, then it should in theory be possible.
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I doubt it, android uses a totaly diffrent bootloader structure and partition layout to windows based phones, it also uses a diffrent file system, i wouldnt like to brick my nand chip by trying to format it in fat/ntfs
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I doubt it, android uses a totaly diffrent bootloader structure and partition layout to windows based phones, it also uses a diffrent file system, i wouldnt like to brick my nand chip by trying to format it in fat/ntfs
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i think so, win 8 is so complicate to install it on an android phone
unless something very unexpected happens, it will be impossible.
read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21264932#post21264932
mtmerrick said:
unless something very unexpected happens, it will be impossible.
read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21264932#post21264932
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trh1341 said:
Would it be possible to use windows 8 on our android phone like we made ubuntu work? or even make it a custom rom??
With ubuntu we pretty much just mount the .img and connect to it with vnc right? couldnt we do the same with the dev. preveiw of windows 8?
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From my perspective,android is still linux but a simplified mobile version..i guess that is why it was possible to port ubuntu to work on it.
As regards windows 8 ,i really think it is impossible due to the hardware specs nd libraries.
Windows 8 hardware specs have been released today and Engadget reported
Controversially, ARM-based tablet users won't be able to deactivate secure booting and (therefore) install another operating system. Clearly that's not gone down well with people -- and a straw poll of our editors agreed
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Source
I don't know what effect that'll have on installing Win8 on an Android tablet but it sounds discouraging.
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Windows 8 hardware specs have been released today and Engadget reported
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I don't know what effect that'll have on installing Win8 on an Android tablet but it sounds discouraging.
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pretty much that loading android (or anything else) onto a W8ARM tablet will be near impossible
Zibams said:
From my perspective,android is still linux but a simplified mobile version..i guess that is why it was possible to port ubuntu to work on it.
As regards windows 8 ,i really think it is impossible due to the hardware specs nd libraries.
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i think like you.. android is linux.. remember that
Might be possible after win 8 starts supporting ARM.
Meanwhile have you guys seen windows 7 embedded compact which already supports ARM...is that a possibility on Android phones?!!
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is it
is it happening
it seems to be impossible , coz maybe it needs to rewrite all base drivers, and i wonder if the hardware supports it.
hopeless....i think.
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it seems to be impossible , coz maybe it needs to rewrite all base drivers, and i wonder if the hardware supports it.
hopeless....i think.
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Tegra3 android is one platform already used for windows8 beta arm , which was seen on ces. so its possible, but sure all drivers needs to be made or compiled for arm cpu.
and it is said that bootloader will contain encrypted keys to boot windows somehow, i do not know the complete story here, probably a BIOS edition like on regular pc's.
hopeless, not at all. just look at iMac when it started on x86, we had their OS on non-mac's and their hardware was dualbooting win7/MacOS.
it will be just a matter of time, until someone do that, if you can run windows 95/98 and XP on HTC EVO 3D why not Windows 8?
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it will be just a matter of time, until someone do that, if you can run windows 95/98 and XP on HTC EVO 3D why not Windows 8?
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i doubt thats possible without drivers and an arm compiled windows.
you have probably seen a remotedesktop like SplashTop for android shown.
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joao12ferreira said:
it will be just a matter of time, until someone do that, if you can run windows 95/98 and XP on HTC EVO 3D why not Windows 8?
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As far as i know all this OS are running on virtual machine, so... it's laggy, it works only with standart drivers, so there is no any hardware acceleration. I think some people will keep trying to port Win8, but as other says, it can be very hard, mb cotulla can, he know Win7 embedded core, so it can be like Win8 core. And another one peace - as i know Win8 for tablets and PCs will be same, but WP8 will have another core part.
Hey guys,
Windows 8 Developer Preview has been out for a while, and I really like what it offers... It has both the Windows 7 Phone layout for your start menu (sorta, I can't really explain it, you just have to try it to understand!), and a full windows framework and desktop to run applications. Since it's based off 7, it has a light footprint, and it works not only on x86 & x64, but armv7l aswell.
So I thought: At one time I did something to use my windows drivers on linux... (There wasn't a wifi driver, so I searched around and found a util that could let me do it) So why couldn't someone do it the other way around, for the Atrix? It would be like having Full windows on your phone but scaled down to match screen size, and then when you place it on the webtop, and voila! you get full scaled Windows 8...
I'm not saying that I can do it, but I'm just throwing the idea out there, for those of you who tried 8, you would get what I mean by the start page and full desktop thing, others just read about it!
No. One of the WOA requirements to boot is a locked AND signed bootloader, also there are NO plans to distribute WOA licenses outside of OEMs.
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No. One of the WOA requirements to boot is a locked AND signed bootloader, also there are NO plans to distribute WOA licenses outside of OEMs.
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Yea I read an article on that like 5 minutes before you posted it. There don't have to be plans to release it. At some point its gonna get leaked, and as soon as that happens, devs who have the time and need for 8 will work in it...
That or have you ever tried to install mac os x on a pc? Yea it works they made some
kind of alt bootloader that will load mac bypassing all the requirements... That might happen to android devices....
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Yea I read an article on that like 5 minutes before you posted it. There don't have to be plans to release it. At some point its gonna get leaked, and as soon as that happens, devs who have the time and need for 8 will work in it...
That or have you ever tried to install mac os x on a pc? Yea it works they made some
kind of alt bootloader that will load mac bypassing all the requirements... That might happen to android devices....
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Assuming someone manages to get around the technical hurdles, it will still be something akin to piracy to freely distribute WOA without microsoft's consent. This has been discussed a thousand times on different tablet forums and it's the same conclusion everytime, Microsoft has put a bunch of failsafes to stifle development on their own platform let alone porting to others. WOA is going to be much closer to iOS than Windows 7 as far as distribution goes.
The dev preview is for x86 and x86_64 architecture. An ARM build hasn't been released, so there's you're first problem.
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The dev preview is for x86 and x86_64 architecture. An ARM build hasn't been released, so there's you're first problem.
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An ARM build won't be released... That's the problem...
This will probably be considered a noob question, and I apologize if this is question is in the wrong place, but is it within reason to dual-boot android on a windows RT tablet? The answer may determine my purchase of a windows tablet when they arrive, because I like both android and windows on tablets.
-Dave
Not possible. Windows RT uses Secure Boot, BitLocker and other security mechanisms so it will be extremely hard to break.
A little question to the OP, why?
TravisAntonio said:
A little question to the OP, why?
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Games and previously purchased apps would be my best guess. If there ends up being good android emulation (bluestacks) then I would think that there is no reason at all.
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TravisAntonio said:
A little question to the OP, why?
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Because Android was built from the ground up on mobile devices. Windows went the other way. Obviously Android does a lot of things better when mobile.
AdamOutler said:
Because Android was built from the ground up on mobile devices. Windows went the other way. Obviously Android does a lot of things better when mobile.
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jiffy1080 said:
Games and previously purchased apps would be my best guess. If there ends up being good android emulation (bluestacks) then I would think that there is no reason at all.
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The OP seems dead but thanks for your answers , maybe we will be able to boot-up Key Lime Pie when the times come.
Hmm ... Mine isnt a WinRT tablet as such but i own a ExoPC tablet and it runs both Windows and Android ...
I have tested Windows 8 Enterprise N & ICS 4.0.4 ....
U can find more info here ....
www.exocommunity.com
Regards
Currently you can run Android in a VM successfully on prior Windows editions, I have yet to run it virtually on Windows 8 BUT if you're actually buying an RT Tablet that runs on ARM, I don't suggest you purchase it hoping to run Android.
Good news? Intel is going Mobile and so is the ARM Processor and why is that good? Anyone can make it and not just anyone but Samsung is noted to be making a model FOR Android phones. Why does this matter? It means Google must be up to making Android for ARM and if that is true, I can almost bet that someone will be able to put it on a Windows RT Tablet eventually and that is the keyword, eventually.
So if you have to dual boot right this second? Buy a normal Windows 8 Tablet/Slate, not RT Tablet as they're not as powerful and "Desktop" will NOT be available but if you're not looking for power, stay with an Android Tablet or wait to see what Microsoft will be doing with the Slate.
Or Dual-Boot Android & WindowsRT on Android TABLET? :thumbup:
Time will make it happen.
Maybe run bluestacks in windows 8?
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Maybe run bluestacks in windows 8?
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Like he said Lol. no need for Android, you have the best or Smoothest UI with BLUESTACK player that can run ALL ANDROID APPS so need for the OS itself. Enjoy!!!!!!!!
akbisw said:
Like he said Lol. no need for Android, you have the best or Smoothest UI with BLUESTACK player that can run ALL ANDROID APPS so need for the OS itself. Enjoy!!!!!!!!
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Read up the title dude, its - Windows RT(ARM)
Yeah, W8 will surely run Android apps via Bluestacks.(X86)
But its two OS on Single TABLET.
Remember ASUS's...tab
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VR.gtmini said:
Read up the title dude, its - Windows RT(ARM)
Yeah, W8 will surely run Android apps via Bluestacks.(X86)
But its two OS on Single TABLET.
Remember ASUS's...tab
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Oh, I just thought the possibility if it was rather low (even if it was done, probably not going to be too good), so offered an easier alternative.
I mean there are even android x86 projects, just that they don't work that well and compatibility isn't the best over different hardware.
Only time will tell
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Currently you can run Android in a VM successfully on prior Windows editions, I have yet to run it virtually on Windows 8 BUT if you're actually buying an RT Tablet that runs on ARM, I don't suggest you purchase it hoping to run Android.
Good news? Intel is going Mobile and so is the ARM Processor and why is that good? Anyone can make it and not just anyone but Samsung is noted to be making a model FOR Android phones. Why does this matter? It means Google must be up to making Android for ARM and if that is true, I can almost bet that someone will be able to put it on a Windows RT Tablet eventually and that is the keyword, eventually.
So if you have to dual boot right this second? Buy a normal Windows 8 Tablet/Slate, not RT Tablet as they're not as powerful and "Desktop" will NOT be available but if you're not looking for power, stay with an Android Tablet or wait to see what Microsoft will be doing with the Slate.
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Android has ALWAYS run on ARM chips. Not sure what you're talking about here...
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Android has ALWAYS run on ARM chips. Not sure what you're talking about here...
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correction. Android runs on MIPS, ARM and x86.
ARM is the most popular platform though.
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correction. Android runs on MIPS, ARM and x86.
ARM is the most popular platform though.
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but the assertion that Android has always run on ARM is not incorrect, the first device that Android ran on was ARM.
Hi.
I would like your help in order to know if it's possible to install android to this device, in order to dual boot win8 and android.
Thanks and regards.
The Linux kernel (or any kernel apart from that of windows 8) is unsupported on Intel clovertrail SoC's as used in the vivotab smart.
True that's only Intel support but we are unlikely to see Linux on clovertrail with the exception of the phone specific models (which only run the Linux kernel in order to run android).
Intel have said that clovertrail is planned to be the only CPU with this limitation. The previous cedar trail happily ran android-x86, Ubuntu, BSD or whatever you wanted. Bay trail is also confirmed to be getting full support for this.
If you do want android on x86 tablets/laptops/desktops then you want the android-x86 project. It is just a case that the current tablet atom cpu's sadly can't run it yet, although if you try anyway it might well work, its just not supported.
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The Linux kernel (or any kernel apart from that of windows 8) is unsupported on Intel clovertrail SoC's as used in the vivotab smart.
True that's only Intel support but we are unlikely to see Linux on clovertrail with the exception of the phone specific models (which only run the Linux kernel in order to run android).
Intel have said that clovertrail is planned to be the only CPU with this limitation. The previous cedar trail happily ran android-x86, Ubuntu, BSD or whatever you wanted. Bay trail is also confirmed to be getting full support for this.
If you do want android on x86 tablets/laptops/desktops then you want the android-x86 project. It is just a case that the current tablet atom cpu's sadly can't run it yet, although if you try anyway it might well work, its just not supported.
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Hi. Thank you very much for the reply.
May you get me na how to?
Thanks and regards
Like I said. It cant be done.
Well, it might be possible to but the only people who want to be looking into it at all would not be asking this question.
Your best bet is to try "jar of beans" or bluestacks if you are that desperate for android apps on your tablet.
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Like I said. It cant be done.
Well, it might be possible to but the only people who want to be looking into it at all would not be asking this question.
Your best bet is to try "jar of beans" or bluestacks if you are that desperate for android apps on your tablet.
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my main target is to get gps software working.
But to laptop i only find copilot but cant get it without paying and its a huge value.
With android it would be so much easier...
jar of beans or bluestacks would be perfectly capable of dealing with that.
What you want to do has little to do with whether it is possible or not.
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jar of beans or bluestacks would be perfectly capable of dealing with that.
What you want to do has little to do with whether it is possible or not.
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Cant run because i cant use any video accelleration.
Do you know any solution to video hardware accelleration.
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lostindeia said:
Cant run because i cant use any video accelleration.
Do you know any solution to video hardware accelleration.
Thanks and regards
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Didnt understood. +1?
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Didnt understood. +1?
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I'd like to know it, i'm in your same situation.
Both jar of beans and bluestacks run fine without hardware acceleration. It just uses software OpenGLES for your android app. For something like a GPS navigation app it would be more than fast enough.
On the other hand there are actually plenty of GPS applications including many free and open source ones for windows which would work fine under windows 8. Only thing is, I'm not sure that the vivotab actually has GPS in the first place so sticking android on the vivotab to get a GPS app would be pointless as you wouldnt be able to use it.
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Both jar of beans and bluestacks run fine without hardware acceleration. It just uses software OpenGLES for your android app. For something like a GPS navigation app it would be more than fast enough.
On the other hand there are actually plenty of GPS applications including many free and open source ones for windows which would work fine under windows 8. Only thing is, I'm not sure that the vivotab actually has GPS in the first place so sticking android on the vivotab to get a GPS app would be pointless as you wouldnt be able to use it.
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Jar beans dont work well.
I have external gps.
Do you know any app? Cracked
Thanks and regards
Cracked? We might hack a few things here but we do not discuss or condone piracy.
As I said, there are FREE applications. Just get on google.
It's possible using rEFInd bootloader.
cybersyx said:
It's possible using rEFInd bootloader.
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Could you provide any more information on how to do it? Any links/tutorials would be highly appreciated...
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It's possible using rEFInd bootloader.
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its not a uefi issue. The clovertrail chips are not normal x86 chips, they are modified and would require a new version of Linux to run on them. They will run windows 8 and windows 8 only by design.