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I'm making this thread here because I can't see anything being done to remedy this problem.
I have tried more than 5 roms that I have used in the past in SD era with MAGLDR 1.12 in the option "AD SD" and none worked. This SHOULD be easy, but it's not.
I have tried to change kernels for the new ones, thinking this would be the right way to do so, since the old ones expected haret and windows to work. This didn't work too.
To name a few...
NexusHD2-FRG83D V1.8 from Tytung (the best in the old days for a clean froyo, IMHO)
MDJ Desire HD 4.6
Topia HD and others...
None of them worked, the ONLY ONE that worked was [DL DesireZ v2.1][SD/NAND] (note, not tested version 2.2, ONLY 2.1)
It took a looong time to boot, but worked fine.
Now that we have WP7 (not everyone will want this permanently) we should have SD roms that are compatible with MAGLDR. Even because MAGLDR is way faster than waiting for WM 6.5 to boot.
I loved WM 6.5 in the days, but now, several of us don't want to deal with it anymore, and are just here for the two new OSs.
I would like to see some development in the SD ROMs again, so they can have newer and better kernels (the ones used with MAGLDR) and full compatibility with future development for MAGLDR and NAND.
We could even have two Android builds, for those who don't want WP7.
One for NAND and one for SD, like a Gingerbread and a stabler Froyo
Anyone agree with it?
Greetings, Santroph.
santroph said:
I'm making this thread here because I can't see anything being done to remedy this problem.
I have tried more than 5 roms that I have used in the past in SD era with MAGLDR 1.12 in the option "AD SD" and none worked. This SHOULD be easy, but it's not.
I have tried to change kernels for the new ones, thinking this would be the right way to do so, since the old ones expected haret and windows to work. This didn't work too.
To name a few...
NexusHD2-FRG83D V1.8 from Tytung (the best in the old days for a clean froyo, IMHO)
MDJ Desire HD 4.6
Topia HD and others...
None of them worked, the ONLY ONE that worked was [DL DesireZ v2.1][SD/NAND] (note, not tested version 2.2, ONLY 2.1)
It took a looong time to boot, but worked fine.
Now that we have WP7 (not everyone will want this permanently) we should have SD roms that are compatible with MAGLDR. Even because MAGLDR is way faster than waiting for WM 6.5 to boot.
I loved WM 6.5 in the days, but now, several of us don't want to deal with it anymore, and are just here for the two new OSs.
I would like to see some development in the SD ROMs again, so they can have newer and better kernels (the ones used with MAGLDR) and full compatibility with future development for MAGLDR and NAND.
We could even have two Android builds, for those who don't want WP7.
One for NAND and one for SD, like a Gingerbread and a stabler Froyo
Anyone agree with it?
Greetings, Santroph.
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Problem:
Phone7 formats the sd card in an unknown file format.
That makes it presumably impossible to linux to load from there...
You would have to switch sd card
I agree with the suggestion of having dual boot (WP7/Android), in fact I even thought about it yesterday ...
What about having 3 partitions on SD ? 2 for WP7 and 1 for Android ...
domenukk said:
Problem:
Phone7 formats the sd card in an unknown file format.
That makes it presumably impossible to linux to load from there...
You would have to switch sd card
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Yeah I know about this, but several of us, myself included have several SD cards.
I can pass for the trouble of changing SD cards from time to time to boot a completly different OS, with several other possibilities.
And I was talking about Android NAND / Android SD combinations as well.
Like I said we could have a Gingerbread experimental in nand, but keep a really stable Froyo in SD as our main build, or the other way around, a lot of us have big enough cards to do that.
Santroph.
I'm tested lot android SD too.
PSfreedom worked only but if the DL DesireZ v2.1 is working..what's the problem?
loyalhudy said:
I'm tested lot android SD too.
PSfreedom worked only but if the DL DesireZ v2.1 is working..what's the problem?
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The problem is that we only have a few SD roms working. And for example DL DesireZ v2.1 works, but DL DesireZ v2.2, which is newer and just lauched, doesn't work, the support is gone
And we don't have as much roms as we had to choose in the past. I am trying to use WP7, to see if it is a viable alternative to my daily use, but I don't want to give up Android. Since we can't have WP7 and AD Nand at the same time, SD is the only alternative, and we have to get whatever is working instead of a lot of good builds like we have in Nand now.
If the devs start to make more sd builds closer to the Nand ones (same kernels and modules, which they can do now, since they will all be using the same hardware startup MAGLDR) we would have a lot of alternatives too.
Like I said, one of the best roms we ever had, tytung NexusHD2 froyo, doesn't work.
Santroph.
P.S: I'm willing to help any dev that need help. I'm a developer too, but a software one, not a cooker
I'm not a dev but I try to get it ...I took 4GB sd and booted wp7, connect sd via usb reader to pc, copied the wp7 filesystem to my 16gb sd card...wp7 says I got 3.5GB disk space ^^...means: wp7 uses 3.5GB, 11,5GB free sd space . formatted other partition as fat32, but windows7 didn't find it. Now I'm trying around to get it working ...will post news
EDIT: WP7 got 3.5GB disk space, now booting MDJ Froyo HD 4.6 from sd card ...So I got WP7/ Android dualboot
domenukk said:
Problem:
Phone7 formats the sd card in an unknown file format.
That makes it presumably impossible to linux to load from there...
You would have to switch sd card
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I succeed to flash WP7 rom without SD card inserted. Inserting back the SD card after installation shows that SD storge with full size(not under WP7) and SD android rom (DL DesireZ v2.1) works fine with MAGLDR 1.12. Booting WP7 again will not destroy it, too. This may be a temporary method, while the free space left in WP7 becomes around 130MB which may not satisfy many demands .
was the WM7 functional?
http://www.darkforcesteam.com.cn/thread-25910-1-1.html
I'm going to attempt those steps tomorrow, but I don't know if I'll be following them properly as the translation isn't too good.
But maybe someone else can understand it and translate it properly
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was the WM7 functional?
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fully functional. this method is like the one metioned above from DFT forum
ike2903 said:
I'm not a dev but I try to get it ...I took 4GB sd and booted wp7, connect sd via usb reader to pc, copied the wp7 filesystem to my 16gb sd card...wp7 says I got 3.5GB disk space ^^...means: wp7 uses 3.5GB, 11,5GB free sd space . formatted other partition as fat32, but windows7 didn't find it. Now I'm trying around to get it working ...will post news
EDIT: WP7 got 3.5GB disk space, now booting MDJ Froyo HD 4.6 from sd card ...So I got WP7/ Android dualboot
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in WP7 installation steps it is mentioned that if you remove the sd card the windows will be destroyed? can you please confirm that after trying android and going back to WP7 there are no issues?
I agree... we need more devs developing for sd android again.
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I'm not a dev but I try to get it ...I took 4GB sd and booted wp7, connect sd via usb reader to pc, copied the wp7 filesystem to my 16gb sd card...wp7 says I got 3.5GB disk space ^^...means: wp7 uses 3.5GB, 11,5GB free sd space . formatted other partition as fat32, but windows7 didn't find it. Now I'm trying around to get it working ...will post news
EDIT: WP7 got 3.5GB disk space, now booting MDJ Froyo HD 4.6 from sd card ...So I got WP7/ Android dualboot
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This could be the best way to do things...
Can you please make a kind of Tutorial?
I understood what you said, and I can probably replicate it (surely will try) but some people would be really glad to have a tutorial.
I have a single problem with your approach, my biggest card, the 16gb one, was the one used for WP7, so I will have to reformat, and since I already got my WP7 working with marketplace and activated, I don't want to mess with it.
If I only had used the 8gb or 2gb card, I would be able to do it....
Santroph.
The best way to know how to do this, would be to have a HD2 that has not a fully working copy of WP7, so we can test it as much as we can.
The biggest problem for me now, is that I don't have how to make a backup of my WP7 installation, or else I would do it and make a tutorial on how to use the dual boot.
Even with the option of using only one card, the SD rom version must be compatible, which in the present time, they are not (most of them).
Santroph.
i've readed all of thread.. but yet i don't understand if it works or not.. especially with ike2903 tutorial to format SD card method...
santroph said:
This could be the best way to do things...
Can you please make a kind of Tutorial?
I understood what you said, and I can probably replicate it (surely will try) but some people would be really glad to have a tutorial.
I have a single problem with your approach, my biggest card, the 16gb one, was the one used for WP7, so I will have to reformat, and since I already got my WP7 working with marketplace and activated, I don't want to mess with it.
If I only had used the 8gb or 2gb card, I would be able to do it....
Santroph.
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Yes, Tutorial please Thanks
jenzy1985 said:
Yes, Tutorial please Thanks
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+1, been thinking of doing this and would be nice to follow your lead.
daysey said:
+1, been thinking of doing this and would be nice to follow your lead.
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+ 9!!!
ike2903 said:
I'm not a dev but I try to get it ...I took 4GB sd and booted wp7, connect sd via usb reader to pc, copied the wp7 filesystem to my 16gb sd card...wp7 says I got 3.5GB disk space ^^...means: wp7 uses 3.5GB, 11,5GB free sd space . formatted other partition as fat32, but windows7 didn't find it. Now I'm trying around to get it working ...will post news
EDIT: WP7 got 3.5GB disk space, now booting MDJ Froyo HD 4.6 from sd card ...So I got WP7/ Android dualboot
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the pc actually read the WP7 parition (or recognized that one existed)?
Hi there,
I was wondering if it would be possible in the near future to have WP7 running of an SD card like with Android. Because now I've finally found a near to perfect Android build (SuperRAM by darkstone) because my battery life is even better than on WM! I would like to have the option to still choose this one as my daily driver, but I would really love to have a go with WP7. It would be great to have an Android build, WP7 build and maybe a Meego build (in the future) all on the same SD card, with windows still running on NAND. I'm no real techie so I dunno if it is too much to ask, but I would really like to know my possibilities. Thanks in advance.
Same here. I think il always want wm 6.5 as a default os. Theres no way im flashing wp7 until its run off sd card or ram. I really want an answer on this. Triple boot!
hd2 wm6.5 android and wm7 all in one?
so right now i have the wm6.5 as my main os and have android to use when ever i need or want to show it off. after iam done i shut down android and turn the phone on again and wm6.5 reloads. can i do that with wm7? i want to keep wm6.5 the way i have it now and be able to load android or wm7 when ever i want and the go back to wm6.5. is that possible? THIS WAS A POST I MADE ON ANOTHER THREAD. I HERE WOULD LIKE TO KNOWIF THIS IS POSSIBLE
I want the exact same thing. But after doing a bit of reading it looks unlikely at the moment. Its nand only. I guess we can just pray there will be a sd ram version in the works
it can be done its been posted on here somewhere but its a very long winded process.
search for a dual boot.thinking of doing this myself
just a hypothesis, but since wp7 formats the sd card when it is fllashed, and then acts as if it is internaal storage, even if you could boot wp7 from an sd card, you would need another one to use as internal storage. if it was possible to partition the sd card and use one of the partitions to boot wp7 and the other for storage, you wouldn't have any data space for android (pics, songs etc.) So back to square one...
Exactly what I am looking for
WM6.5 main OS, with Android and/or WP7 running off SD Card.
Hi guys, sorry if this is a dumb question but havent had my coffee yet.
Im just wondering if anybody knew of any development going on to be able to flash WP7 from SD crad via MAGLDR?
I think this owuld be a great addition.
I'm at work at the moment and was going to flash WP7 as im bored and realised I didnt bring my USB cable
Since WP7 format your SD during installation process, I think it's impossible ^^
Sakem said:
Since WP7 format your SD during installation process, I think it's impossible ^^
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Yeah, the way wp7 uses the sd card would make it very difficult to find a way to make it work.... there's probably a better chance of them figuring out a way to boot wp7 directly from SD (which given the fact that wp7 uses the sd as main memory anyways, performance would probably be the same with a good sd card if the figured out how to do this.... I would love to have android on NAND so I can use clockwork, but I don't want to give up the ability to boot wp7... especially after reading about the multitasking ability that is going to be added with an update... their doing multitasking like WebOS did it, with playing card looking screens that you can scroll through... it looks great)
Not really true.
WP7 only formats your card if it hasnt already been formatted. When ive been trying/testing dual boot in past, I had a pre-formatted WP7 card with WP7 partitions already on and after flashing it didnt format. Well unless im not remembering correctly and dreamt it.
So its probably just a matter of magldr support for it. Unless its a limitation of only been able to perform the partitioing via PC-DFT/USB-MAGLDR flasher.
I do agree though, the coming possibility of running WP7 from SD would be great. Its bit like when we first got Android (me back on Blackstone), ie have your secondary OS on card and primary on NAND. I slowly started to use Android more and more and then just started booting into it by default either manually or via bootloader, then eventually on NAND. I cant see myself getting rid of Android for WP7 any time soon but it would be cool to be able to play with it without having to resort to putting Android back on card.
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Well unless im not remembering correctly and dreamt it.
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You had indeed curious dreams...
Installed more than 10 times WP7 and always a SD format...on all roms...
Furthermore it's clearly stated in most of cooked roms and installation tutos topics
Sakem said:
You had indeed curious dreams...
Installed more than 10 times WP7 and always a SD format...on all roms...
Furthermore it's clearly stated in most of cooked roms and installation tutos topics
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Fook knows then, Im sure I managed to use a pre-prepared card without it flashing it at some point, Ill have a go later and see if I can replicate what I did.
Anyway, this doesnt really make a difference because im sure somebody could come up with a modded version that bypasses SD format/check etc.
Will just have to wait and see.
IMO flashing without formatting would be awesome especially to avoid reinstalling apps and reconfigurating system everytime :/
Let's be patient...
After attempting to follow the confusing steps in the xbmod-yuki rom my phone froze mid-update and my sd card spazzed out and now my phone says there is no sd in the slot when its in there....I can't connect to computer either.
SD Formatter can't even detect it.
nvm figured it out my self, plus i posted in the wrong section.
Sd Card Woes
pteradactyle said:
nvm figured it out my self, plus i posted in the wrong section.
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Would you mind sharing what you did to fix your SD? I'm having an issue related to Mango, don't know if it's the same as yours, but I'm trying to explore all avenues.
simpleton681 said:
Would you mind sharing what you did to fix your SD? I'm having an issue related to Mango, don't know if it's the same as yours, but I'm trying to explore all avenues.
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Care to explain what the issue is exactly with your SDcard, to keep the topic as clean and efficient as possible?
I have same problem
I have same problem.
pteradactyle said:
After attempting to follow the confusing steps in the xbmod-yuki rom my phone froze mid-update and my sd card spazzed out and now my phone says there is no sd in the slot when its in there....I can't connect to computer either.
SD Formatter can't even detect it.
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KrewsialNL said:
Care to explain what the issue is exactly with your SDcard, to keep the topic as clean and efficient as possible?
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Sorry, yes. I installed WP7 Mango (XBmod-Yuki rom V2), SD card was formatted and locked. I removed WP7 without knowing this would happen, and now I can't get the card to be recognized in Windows, Linux, OSX, or any of my other devices that support MicroSD. Been searching for a fix, but it looks like I'll need to find a Symbian device to format the card.
After I posted before, I was able to reinstall the original WP7 rom and the card was recognized after a hard reset, but I'm not having any luck getting the unlock cab to work. Actually, now, after trying to send the cab to my device, restarting with the card in the phone or doing a hard reset results in the phone just not loading the OS.
Sorry for being long winded, but I'm just about out of ideas. Thanks for any help
simpleton681 said:
Sorry, yes. I installed WP7 Mango (XBmod-Yuki rom V2), SD card was formatted and locked. I removed WP7 without knowing this would happen, and now I can't get the card to be recognized in Windows, Linux, OSX, or any of my other devices that support MicroSD. Been searching for a fix, but it looks like I'll need to find a Symbian device to format the card.
After I posted before, I was able to reinstall the original WP7 rom and the card was recognized after a hard reset, but I'm not having any luck getting the unlock cab to work. Actually, now, after trying to send the cab to my device, restarting with the card in the phone or doing a hard reset results in the phone just not loading the OS.
Sorry for being long winded, but I'm just about out of ideas. Thanks for any help
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The way I fixed that is an aweful thing to do, but it worked.
1. Flash to stock Windows Mobile 6.5 (with locked SDcard in there)
2. Task29
3. Install MAGLDR
4. FLASH WP7 (still, with that same SDcard in there)
After it's flashed, do not update, but take the card out and stick it in a card reader (hell, even the magldr >> usb storage function works).
Windows will detect 200 MB on that card. Format it with SDformatter and it will be good again.
Note: That specific card is not compatible with WP7 MANGO, so don't try to use that ever again ;-)
It took me a week to figure this out, but i successfully managed to revive my 8GB Sandisk Class 4 card, which I now will use in my camera instead of the HD2
Hope this helps!
AWESOME!
KrewsialNL said:
The way I fixed that is an aweful thing to do, but it worked.
1. Flash to stock Windows Mobile 6.5 (with locked SDcard in there)
2. Task29
3. Install MAGLDR
4. FLASH WP7 (still, with that same SDcard in there)
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I'm going to try this, but I'm wondering which WP7 Rom you flashed. I originally was using the Yuki Update rom, then once all the badness happened, I flashed to a much older one, then back to Yuki. However, in each of those cases, I never got the 200MB partition. Anyway, I'm giving this a shot, will let you know. Thanks!
If you want only format the SD card
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=912528
hautsi said:
If you want only format the SD card
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=912528
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Hi hautsi, welcome to the forum.
Unfortunately the thread you posted, dated January, only works for the pre-mango ROMS (and possibly XBmod/Yuki V1)
Look here for SD format http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242071
also Krewsia1nl's method should be posted there
No Dice
Robbie P said:
Hi hautsi, welcome to the forum.
Unfortunately the thread you posted, dated January, only works for the pre-mango ROMS (and possibly XBmod/Yuki V1)
Look here for SD format http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242071
also Krewsia1nl's method should be posted there
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Hey again all,
It's possible there's something else wrong with my card at this point. I tried Krewsia1nl's method and it seemed like it might work, but I still never got any additional partitions that my PC could recognize. I tried it a couple of times, 12st with an older WP7 rom I found in the HD2 WP7 dev section, and 2nd with the original Yuki rom I was flashing. Same issue in both cases.
What I did find is that I can see the card in the Yuki rom after flashing, BUT if I restart the device, it freezes, I have to remove the card to be able to boot it, and when it reboots, it tells me I must insert the card to continue. Great...
This also poses a problem with unlocking the card in WP7 with the unlock or partition cabs. To install them, the cab sender restarts your device. Once that happens, my phone freezes and I have to remove the card. All subsequent attempts to reboot or reinsert the card are met with either nothing recognized, or an error (It's also important to note that I can only see the card on first boot after following Krewsia1nl's method-if I try to hard reset with the card in, the phone just keeps freezing).
So, for now, that's where I'm at. I'm going to try the UBCD Killdisk method and I'll report whether or not that works, in case anyone finds themselves in this particular, sinking boat. Killdisk Method is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1280293
Thanks again for your help, all. Love XDA <3
Killdisk didn't work either. Guessing my card is fried, but I'll still try a Nokia if I can find one.
I also tried to install Yukis Mango 7720 but not with good result.
Does this 7720 work in any HD2...
Ubuntu doesn't do anything if you add your WP7 SD card to reader.
Win7 shows that you have "Removable Disk" but if you try to access it Windows says "unable something....".
I thought that I have also two fried SD card because this 7720 testing.
But Nokia E51 format successfully both cards )
i have an old Nokia 3650 and a few cards that mango has ruined. Now if I can just find the plug for the nokia......wonder if it will format them ?
Just got my 32 class 4 SanDisk in the mail. How do I release the card in tmous hd2 and add 32 to set up dual boot droid. Reflash from start.... Awww lawd! Took all night! Can I hard rest with no card and do it with cabssnder to partition card and card unlock and party with rum tonite?
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Btway.... Xda devs and forum participants could teach the worldwide manufacturers a thing or two about the way it's done. Thanks to all.
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hautsi said:
I also tried to install Yukis Mango 7720 but not with good result.
Does this 7720 work in any HD2...
Ubuntu doesn't do anything if you add your WP7 SD card to reader.
Win7 shows that you have "Removable Disk" but if you try to access it Windows says "unable something....".
I thought that I have also two fried SD card because this 7720 testing.
But Nokia E51 format successfully both cards )
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Can you tell me what SD Card did you manage to unlock?
I tried an E63 for my Sandisk Class 4 32Go unsuccessfully
What an absolute disaster the BTTF Yuki rom is...It is inevitable, most will lose their sd cards, it cost me $45 to replace. Could we put a BIG warning up for these roms, GUARANTEED to destroy your SD card? Because it will, at some point for sure, you will reload the rom and that's when the fun starts..AVOID AT ALL (cough) Costs...
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What an absolute disaster the BTTF Yuki rom is...It is inevitable, most will lose their sd cards, it cost me $45 to replace. Could we put a BIG warning up for these roms, GUARANTEED to destroy your SD card? Because it will, at some point for sure, you will reload the rom and that's when the fun starts..AVOID AT ALL (cough) Costs...
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You are completely entitled to your opinion and to post it here.
Many people have successfully upgraded to Mango and have not posted here at all.
Robbie P said:
You are completely entitled to your opinion and to post it here.
Many people have successfully upgraded to Mango and have not posted here at all.
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I'm sorry, did not intend to knock the rom, the rom is excellent, the concern, it will ultimately cause you much duress as to the sd card at some point, that's my only point. Not many folk expect to lose the sd card after installing... and reinstalling...yes, there are work arounds, but, they entail, much ado and worst case, nokia.kodaj devices...there should be a MASSIVE warning as to SD card...yes, the small print offers cabs and tinkering to avoid the 'lock', but most of us don't expect any such chicanery.-)
Hi,
After a long history with successful 6.5 updates I thought I'd try WM 7!
I've read the storage card posts and tried a hard reset both with my card and without but always get to the same Storage Card not working error.
I don't have a Nokia to reformat my card but have tried reformatting on the PC.
There is a bit I haven't been able to follow using magdlr 'services' option - how do i stop WM7 from booting and get back to the magdlr menus?
Some advice for a noobie please - don't want to brick my phone but not that fond of the Storage Card Not Working screen either!
thebearhack said:
Hi,
After a long history with successful 6.5 updates I thought I'd try WM 7!
I've read the storage card posts and tried a hard reset both with my card and without but always get to the same Storage Card not working error.
I don't have a Nokia to reformat my card but have tried reformatting on the PC.
There is a bit I haven't been able to follow using magdlr 'services' option - how do i stop WM7 from booting and get back to the magdlr menus?
Some advice for a noobie please - don't want to brick my phone but not that fond of the Storage Card Not Working screen either!
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I'm sorry to hear about your issues. The micro SD card you've fit in your phone is too slow to cope with the constant read/write imposed by the OS.
The card you've used is unusable unless you unlock it by sending the unlocker cab to your device, unlock it, then format it on your computer. You could also format it on a symbian, nokia device.
Unless you mention the specific part number of your micro DS and brand, I can't help you further, with regards to compatibility, however, some models are proven to work flawlessly on WP7 powered HD2. ( such as sandisk 32 GB)
Make sure to further research, and hopefully you get this sorted out
only old Yuki (Back to the future) ROM lock cards...
all new ROM's not lock cards and unlocking or formatting with nokia device not necessary
if card not working: simple, not supported.. you must buy new card...
you cant brick phone... just read my install tutorial from signature if you something dont know...
Thanks for advice.
For benefit of others the symptoms I had were down to initial install. I needed to use Magldr to free up last 24 of nand memory and then reflash. Now all working.
As ever none of the stickies quite cover everything, but your help and another google session saved the day.
Thanks to the developers! WP7 giving my phone an all new feel.