So I just came over to the galaxy android side of things from the ipad. The so far, (and with my verizon 4g mobile hotspot in hand), I'm mostly impressed. It's really a beautiful device and I really enjoy honeycomb.
However, my stock tab is incredibly laggy in normal use. This manifests most notably when moving App icons around. Another good enough example is angry birds which runs MUCH smoother I on the ipad. Honestly, my galaxy s2 feels much more responsive in normal usage also. What's going on here I thought tegra was supposed to be better than that? So far I'm a bit underwhelmed with the performance.
Also, what the heck is up with the lack of sd card slot? I'm absolutely baffled by this missing feature as I foolishly assumed it would obviously have one. 32GB is nowhere near enough storage for what I plan on using it for.
And what's up with the lack of netflix?
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Forgive the grammatical errors I'm still not used to this swift key keyboard.
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Hmm... First of all,ios does have a smoother build than android. Android has been released like tero years? But ios has been here for more than four years. Android needs time to catch up. well, then samsung's own tweek about android does slow down the system quite a bit. however about angery birds I myself feel it's about resolution.i feel the one on ipad has lower resolution than the one on android(this is my own observation,i have absolute no evidence to bakup my theory), anyone can confirm or correct me please.
Would any of the dev made launchers work properly with a Honeycomb talent and would it likely help with the lag? It is bothersome especially when my galaxy s2 feels much smoother. Thanks guys.
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Suggestions
1. If you want to stay stock honeycomb and it starts to lag between screens, click on + symbol on top right of homescreen, then click other or wallpaper or one of the other options, don't do anything else, then just click the home button to back out. Lag should be gone. Don't know why it works but read it on one of the other forums and it works.
2. Spend $3.50 and buy ADW EX in the market and make it your default launcher. Spend a day tweeking the settings to your liking and you will not see much lag. There is also Launcher Pro Plus but the new update makes ADW EX better IMO. Many forums here will help you set up or tweek ADW EX. Leave your lag behind!
3. What else are you doing while playing Angry Birds? I have never had an issue with a game except for the ones that aren't optimized for honeycomb and are made for a phone. (Which I don't know how anyone plays these games on a phones screen)
4. For typing I absolutely suggest Thumb Keyboard on the Market. I don't know how I went that first week with the stock keyboard. Worth the $2.
Happy Tabbing!
Thanks for the tips! Unfortunately I need another. I just performed that system update thinking it was a good idea but it put that god awful touch wiz ui on my tab!!! Is there any way to get stock honeycomb back??
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I much prefer stock honeycomb to this touch wiz bloat. The please tell me I can go back.
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I'm literally freaking out. What is wrong with these companies and their inability to stick to the stock android ui. I'm horrified by how bad this updated looks.
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you can go back
But you would have to do too many things above my pay grade to get it back. Not sure if a factory reset would do it, pretty sure you would have to root the device and flash a honeycomb 3.1 rom.
I like the touchwiz, I'm just hoping somebody comes up with a way to make the task bar black so it doesn't look so bad while watching Netflix. That is my only real dislike. And the innability to switch apps on the swipe up. A world clock, wtf am I going to need that for?
Everything you need to get your tab exactly how you want it is here. Including getting back to stock 3.1 as well as putting a black bar on touchwiz, or overclocking your processor, or yes even using custom launchers from the Market or from some of the great devs we have. The whole beauty of Android, IMO, is that we don't have to accept what the manufacturers give us. Everything you need, files, instructions, and further reading is in the "Look here first" sticky in the development section. The key is read read read, read some more, search, read read, and read. I love my tab because I can make it my own.
A factory reset will not remove the TouchMyWilly update. Honestly, it seems like you rushed into this purchase, especially given that you didn't know it doesn't have a MicroSD slot prior to buying it. 32 GB is actually quite alot if you use cloud storage. You can also get the USB adapter and transfer files that way.
But, it seems like you're not pleased with the Tab. There's no reason to force yourself to like a gadget. If you're still able to return it and give yourself some time to properly shop around for something that fits your needs then maybe you should consider that.
You can also check out the Android Dev forum a few links down from the General. That will show you how to root and flash a pre-TouchWang ROM. I didn't like the update at first, but it's grown on me.
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I much prefer stock honeycomb to this touch wiz bloat. The please tell me I can go back.
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Not as bad as it seems. But it would be great if Samsung published a sdk to make use of their customization of the Android shell. For one thing I love to see more of those apps that are able to stay on top of other apps and still let you use the other apps. Would also be great to get dirty with the launchbar
+1 for ADW it fixed all lag
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wish there was an easier way
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Everything you need to get your tab exactly how you want it is here. Including getting back to stock 3.1 as well as putting a black bar on touchwiz, or overclocking your processor, or yes even using custom launchers from the Market or from some of the great devs we have. The whole beauty of Android, IMO, is that we don't have to accept what the manufacturers give us. Everything you need, files, instructions, and further reading is in the "Look here first" sticky in the development section. The key is read read read, read some more, search, read read, and read. I love my tab because I can make it my own.
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Yeah, I have read a little of the forum for the black taskbar but I am not that well versed in android to go messing around with folders. If it was on a PC I would be good to go, just need a simpler solution, hopefully an update. At least the taskbar matches my keyboard, just looks awful when watching Netflix.
Thanks for all the responses.
The tab itself is definitely growing on me. I still find it perplexing Samsung left out the micro SD slot; it's one of Apple devices worst "features" and for Samsung to copy that seems bizarre.
To be honest, I have no idea how to go about setting up cloud storage. I'm just used to old fashion storage methods. I have Google Music but really don't know how to get it set up as a network sharing player. I know I'll have to read read read, but I simply don't have the time right now to get into such an endeavor.
Really, don't let some of my negativity fool you. This tablet is awesome. It's just a bit of shell shock coming from my comfortable experiences with the ipad and my knee jerk dislike of the Touchwiz UI I had no idea would pop up in that update.
I'm very much a fan of stock OS's. Especially Honeycomb, I feel like if it ain't broke, why fix it?
But I'm looking into ADW right now.
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Thanks for all the responses.
I'm very much a fan of stock OS's. Especially Honeycomb, I feel like if it ain't broke, why fix it?
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Because Honeycomb IS broke. It's a beta, an interim build, came out of the oven months and months before it was ready. The TW update is a partial attempt to address some of these problems, and add some extra functionality.
As for looks, for a lot of people, Honeycomb is an eyesore in stock form, color-wise. The very cold color choices are not welcoming.
I daresay most non-geek people aren't fans of neon blue on black, or of faux-retro computer fonts, and above all else, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 was meant to compete in the mass market, so it needs mass market visual appeal.
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Because Honeycomb IS broke. It's a beta, an interim build, came out of the oven months and months before it was ready. The TW update is a partial attempt to address some of these problems, and add some extra functionality.
As for looks, for a lot of people, Honeycomb is an eyesore in stock form, color-wise. The very cold color choices are not welcoming.
I daresay most non-geek people aren't fans of neon blue on black, or of faux-retro computer fonts, and above all else, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 was meant to compete in the mass market, so it needs mass market visual appeal.
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Hey, I totally understand.
I actually really liked the neonish theme of stock honeycomb. It matches very well with the neon color of swiftkey keyboard and just gave a very futuristic vibe.
The added functionality is nice, but that can always be addressed through widgets and apps.
As an aside, what is the name of that app that organizes widgets by grouping similar ones in the widget menu?
Like all of beautiful widgets would lump together into one until you click it?
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As an aside, what is the name of that app that organizes widgets by grouping similar ones in the widget menu?
Like all of beautiful widgets would lump together into one until you click it?
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Ooh, ooh. When you find that, please postback! My collection of widgets is getting unwieldy. Takes quite a while to scroll from left to right thru the whole collection. Its begging for some organization.
I had a Superclean ROM running on my Fascinate phone that collapsed widgets into folders (ex: all the Beautiful widgets into ONE).
I'd love that on my Tab.
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And what's up with the lack of netflix?
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You can grab the APK here - just sideload and you'll be streaming
http://www.multiupload.com/XTEWL8CLCZ
It's a matter of preference. I like the TouchWiz update as it eliminated the worst feature of HC 3.1... the typing lag in forums. I also like the Quick Access panel in the bottom-right corner. One or two clicks to get to what you need, unlike the 4-5 clicks it takes to get to the same things on HC 3.1/3.2.
I am also wondering if this was a rush purchase for you if you didn't realize the Tab 10.1 doesn't have an SD card slot. Not picking on you, please don't misunderstand, but if an SD card slot was important, you could have picked up a 32GB Asus Transformer ($460) instead of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 32GB ($600) and used the savings to buy SD cards. I don't have money to burn (says the guy with a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and an Asus Transformer, lol ), so I do a lot of research before I drop $600 on something.
You can't "uninstall" the TouchWiz update once you have it. Wiping the Tab with a factory reset does not remove TouchWiz. You'd have to load a custom ROM to get rid of it.
And as far as Netflix, just head to the Themes and Apps part of the Galaxy Tab forums and grab the Netflix .apk from there. Easy to install, even for an idiot such as myself. That's the only thing that's making me want to keep the Galaxy Tab over the Asus Transformer at the moment.
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*UPDATE*
I have updated my thread in development with a download and guide for installing TouchWiz UX on our Tab 10.1's.
See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15516290#
Okay this is getting ridiculous...!
Currently there is a TouchWiz UX rom avaliable for...
Asus EeePad:
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...ouchwiz-rom-port-on-asus-eee-pad-transformer/
Acer A500:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1143368
Tab 10.1v:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1155023
All of which appear to be based off a 3.1 Rom for OUR device... So why is it I can't find a single thing about installing 3.1 TouchWiz UX on OUR 10.1!?
i feel you brother this is crazy no devs i guess on the 10.1 i need to start going to school and learn my self lol
That's okay. I'm pretty meh regarding TouchWiz. Has kept me away from sammy phones. I know, ROMS, but when you lean over the bleeding edge, there are no ROMS.
Just saw this video that shows all the features of touchwiz. I don't care how much people want to know it. If half the stffntheynjust showed works without force closing I'll beeee soooool stoked. It impressed the pants off me. http://youtu.be/hlLP3RXkmUQ
" hang on to your dookie, its about to get spooky "
Yay! Managed to get it booting on my tab.
I've been using it about 15 minutes and I love it! The book reader is great... I love the bounce scrolling and the new colours are very nice. Everything has a better feel and still seems super fast.
I might get some instructions up tomorrow for how I did it. Bed time for me now though.
The thing I want to know is if it has improved video playback.
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I'm looking forward to the Allshare app, official DLNA support, the Media hub, and the mini app tray/bar.
It definitely adds another level to the tablet and will impress many consumers. I haven't actually owned anything Samsung beside cameras but I'm impressed so far with this tablet.
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Yay! Managed to get it booting on my tab.
I've been using it about 15 minutes and I love it! The book reader is great... I love the bounce scrolling and the new colours are very nice. Everything has a better feel and still seems super fast.
I might get some instructions up tomorrow for how I did it. Bed time for me now though.
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You did! Hallejulah... I hope a train rattles through your town, and wakes you up prematurely!
Lovellkid
Instruction please? This what I have been waiting for!!
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He' sleeping....or laughing about us now...or both...
Logically the 10.1v rom should not be hard porting, but i havent looked into it.
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Logically the 10.1v rom should not be hard porting, but i havent looked into it.
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oh really? not hard?
without 3.1 kernel source code...
I have a 3G Galaxy Tab 10.1 with Touchwiz (sold in Sweden).
While I don't mind some of the apps that Touchwiz brings I hate their OS-wide changes, while iOS-style overscrolling doesn't really change anything their altering of default UI element does. They have changed buttons, dialogs, menus, fonts and more making many applications look odd as they don't have the same design as Samsungs own apps.
They have also changed they background of the status bar so when it is in "light out" mode it is still very noticeable (default is completely black, Samsung is grey with a light border on top). This is very annoying when watching movies!
All in all I rather be without Touchwiz.
It's only a theme - it'll be customizable at some point
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illojal said:
I have a 3G Galaxy Tab 10.1 with Touchwiz (sold in Sweden).
While I don't mind some of the apps that Touchwiz brings I hate their OS-wide changes, while iOS-style overscrolling doesn't really change anything their altering of default UI element does. They have changed buttons, dialogs, menus, fonts and more making many applications look odd as they don't have the same design as Samsungs own apps.
They have also changed they background of the status bar so when it is in "light out" mode it is still very noticeable (default is completely black, Samsung is grey with a light border on top). This is very annoying when watching movies!
All in all I rather be without Touchwiz.
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My only annoyance with TouchWiz UX so for is that it has that gray bar at the bottom rather than black... I get that it fits there theme but black still blends in the the tablet better... We'll be able to change that later though once the rom is deodex..
Aside from that I love all the other changes. Everything just looks more 'styled' and less 'neon' which I love.
Their eBook application is the best app I've ever used on Android.. except maybe Tasker..
Social Hub app is a great Twitter/Facebook integration.
Their widgets are very cool except they seem to slow down the homescreen a tad due to their large size (don't worry! you can always remove them )
The mini apps are so very cool. You can bring up a little calculator/note taking app/calendar/and more and move it to the side of the screen and keep interacting with whatever app you're running under it while it stays on the screen! Awesome feature that Google should definitely look at adding.
Copy and Paste now has a large clipboard that you can build up multiple items on!
There are even problems in Honeycomb 3.1 that are now fixed
e.g. In 3.1 stock if you want to change your lockscreen wallpaper to a custom image from your gallery you had to go to settings> display>screen settings>lockscreen wallpaper now you can do it from the top-right Plus or long-press home screen
The browser is actually smoother and handles pinch gestures much better and has some cool new features you can enable in settings.
There is motion control like tilting your tablet to change homescreens when placing a widget
The quick control toggles are much faster and to get into Settings is now only 2 taps rather than 3.. another thing Honeycomb should have had from the start.
And much more things that I'm missing... This is definitely an upgrade.
I'm uploading a rom now and will update my Thread in development when it's uploaded so everyone can flash TouchWiz UX.
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Logically the 10.1v rom should not be hard porting, but i havent looked into it.
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The 10.1v rom is actually a port of a rom from OUR device... It's a bit silly to port a port from our device back to it...
Update with Download and Guide
Hey I have updated my Development post with a download and guide for flashing TouchWiz to our Tab's... Check here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15516290#
Any update on when touchwiz will officially be released for us? I know Samsung set the hard date of "coming soon", but I didn't know if there was any further update.
The screenshot button is useless and gets in the way. If the screenshot app was combined with the note app it would be great. You would pop up the notes and annotate whatever is on the screen and save it all.
why is everything so fricken big? I dont see the reasoning behind all the text being like 90pt font...
How do you like your new Touch Wiz 4.0?
honestly i am quite happy with it.
i like the new settings color theme
i like the built in locator (lost device)
i like the new widgets
overall pretty solid update.
hopefully we will see 3.2 soon !
I am hesitant to update to TW because of the frequent complaints of sheer ugliness. I've seen a few screenshots, and I must say I'm not happy with their choice of light backgrounds. The second big thing holding me back is the locked bootloader and fear of losing root. I love how LBE privacy guard allows me to do post-install permissions. I would not want to do without it. My last concern is battery life as per a report in this thread.
As a person with big hands, I am interested by the new bigger-buttoned interfaced, and who wouldn't all the speed/stability updates? I'm just not sure they are enough to update just yet.
Big thumbs up, assuming the problem with high-profile 720p video gets fixed in a timely manner.
Happy, happy, happy. All the widgets I was used to with Gtab7 have returned. I still miss the readers hub
^looks like ebook app is the readers hub. I have not imported anything, but I'm going to try tonight.
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I am hesitant to update to TW because of the frequent complaints of sheer ugliness. I've seen a few screenshots, and I must say I'm not happy with their choice of light backgrounds. The second big thing holding me back is the locked bootloader and fear of losing root. I love how LBE privacy guard allows me to do post-install permissions. I would not want to do without it. My last concern is battery life as per a report in this thread.
As a person with big hands, I am interested by the new bigger-buttoned interfaced, and who wouldn't all the speed/stability updates? I'm just not sure they are enough to update just yet.
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I honestly thought the same when I saw the screenshots (ugly), but it's much better in person.
Battery life seems the same for me, lost 1% on standby in about 6.5 hours.
Without functioning exchange email my tab is little more than a toy. I can only view email older than a week. New email will not display. Sammy support says to factory reset and see if the problem goes any. I may try this when I have a day or two to get my stuff loaded back on it.
Unrelated to exchange email, IMO the fonts are way too big, the white color seems like they are trying to little too hard to be an iPad, the application tray is almost worthless, the "back", "home" and other buttons are ugly and... Perhaps it is a little smoother than before the update but only minimally so. IMO. YMMV.
I had absolutely no complaints with my stock tab before the update. I love my tab but this is a little disappointing.
For me the improvements the TouchWiz UX update brings greatly outweigh the mostly not intrusive customizations of the TouchWiz framework.
JobobJet said:
Without functioning exchange email my tab is little more than a toy. I can only view email older than a week. New email will not display. Sammy support says to factory reset and see if the problem goes any. I may try this when I have a day or two to get my stuff loaded back on it.
Unrelated to exchange email, IMO the fonts are way too big, the white color seems like they are trying to little too hard to be an iPad, the application tray is almost worthless, the "back", "home" and other buttons are ugly and... Perhaps it is a little smoother than before the update but only minimally so. IMO. YMMV.
I had absolutely no complaints with my stock tab before the update. I love my tab but this is a little disappointing.
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FYI, Exchange is working perfectly on mine after the update.
-Bobby
i have always hated touchwiz on phones but this is awesome. The typing lag on xda in the browser is also fixed as well. Typing this post on the tab in the browser
mrsbelpit said:
^looks like ebook app is the readers hub. I have not imported anything, but I'm going to try tonight.
I honestly thought the same when I saw the screenshots (ugly), but it's much better in person.
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Don't listen. It's still ugly as sin. I like some of the things TW brings to the table, but I wish they would have left the aesthetics of vanilla HC untouched.
I think it is great!!! And hey, ugly things need love too!
To me who cares if it is a bit ugly if it improves functionality, which it does!
I am extremely happy with the update, I have had it since Wed when I went to the NYC event, and could not be happier.
I'm also digging it. Ive had it for a couple weeks and have it pretty custom with LPP
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gerrylum said:
Don't listen. It's still ugly as sin. I like some of the things TW brings to the table, but I wish they would have left the aesthetics of vanilla HC untouched.
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haha, don't get me wrong, it's ugly, but I don't hate it as much as I thought I might. If I could just figure out how to change the font, it would be loads better.
ETA: Settings/Screen/Screen Display/Font Style is how you change it thanks to another XDA'er
Is it just me, or is touchwiz on a tablet actually really nice :L
i know it slows the tab down, but the widgets icons and notification bar r really minimalist and generally not bad looking!
And the fact that stock touchwiz hc roms come with polaris office and a pen memo means that i dont really mind the occasional lag it has :L
Im also looking forward to the ics touchwiz build aswell.
Does anyone agree with me?
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adamski123 said:
Is it just me, or is touchwiz on a tablet actually really nice :L
i know it slows the tab down, but the widgets icons and notification bar r really minimalist and generally not bad looking!
And the fact that stock touchwiz hc roms come with polaris office and a pen memo means that i dont really mind the occasional lag it has :L
Im also looking forward to the ics touchwiz build aswell.
Does anyone agree with me?
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Wow dude. This is bold. I don't totally disagree with you (in fact, I don't have much of an opinion one way or another), but you're definitely in the minority around here... I'll apologize in advance for the nonsense flames you'll get for posting this.
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Wow dude. This is bold. I don't totally disagree with you (in fact, I don't have much of an opinion one way or another), but you're definitely in the minority around here... I'll apologize in advance for the nonsense flames you'll get for posting this.
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Yeah that's the thing though, a while I understand touchwiz on a phone is ugly. On a tablet its actually nice. :L they (samsung) havent done that much in terms of looks with tw, which is gd.
So yeah, bring on the trolls
I don't really see it. I have been using touching HC 3.2 for as long as I have the tablet. I just recently installed touchwiz-less ICS and now never want to go back to touching. I do not miss polarised office at all since it doesn't work with swiftkey tablet x, and ihave replaced pen memo with quill, which was only 20 cents. But I guess tastes are different...
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I don't really see it. I have been using touching HC 3.2 for as long as I have the tablet. I just recently installed touchwiz-less ICS and now never want to go back to touching. I do not miss polarised office at all since it doesn't work with swiftkey tablet x, and ihave replaced pen memo with quill, which was only 20 cents. But I guess tastes are different...
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Fair enough mate.
I can understand why u dont like touchwiz, and i know ics is amazing.
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Well, there are a few things I didn't like about TW:
1. Bright settings menu. The whole tab felt that it should have a dark theme and in most places it did. But then there was the settings menu that feels out of place.
2. The statusbar is annoying. I don't know how often I accidentally made a Screenshot when I didn't want to. Or brought up the pop up bar which contains alps I never use.
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Well, there are a few things I didn't like about TW:
1. Bright settings menu. The whole tab felt that it should have a dark theme and in most places it did. But then there was the settings menu that feels out of place.
2. The statusbar is annoying. I don't know how often I accidentally made a Screenshot when I didn't want to. Or brought up the pop up bar which contains alps I never use.
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Ok yeh i get it about the settings. But the screenshot button is useful. And im sure in the newer versions of tw u can have custom apps in the pop up bar?
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2. Or brought up the pop up bar which contains alps I never use.
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is there a way to change those apps on the pop up bar? That would actually be useful if you could customize that.
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is there a way to change those apps on the pop up bar? That would actually be useful if you could customize that.
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I vaguely remember seeing the gtab 7.7 having the option to edit the pop up bar...
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Ok yeh i get it about the settings. But the screenshot button is useful. And im sure in the newer versions of tw u can have custom apps in the pop up bar?
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Having a Screenshot function available is nice, but I agree. But I prefer the way the ICS Rom I am using implements it: hidden in the power menu. I mean, why would you need it readily available at all times?
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Having a Screenshot function available is nice, but I agree. But I prefer the way the ICS Rom I am using implements it: hidden in the power menu. I mean, why would you need it readily available at all times?
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Im not sure that stock ics has the screenshot function in the power menu. Its only added in later on through custom roms and tweaks such as enabling it in rom control :L
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Yeah, but in the same respect I am not even sure if the things I complain about a HC or TW features
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Yeah, but in the same respect I am not even sure if the things I complain about a HC or TW features
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Haha fair enough. Tbh HC was a bit of a fail on googles part. It felt rushed and ill prepared. Hopefully ics will iron out everything.
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Im not sure that stock ics has the screenshot function in the power menu. Its only added in later on through custom roms and tweaks such as enabling it in rom control :L
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nah its there by default in ics
its one of ics main selling points
btw for the record i love touchwiz just because of the extra features like mini apps
the ui hasnt really affected me as i probs only have had my tab with stocktouchwiz theme for about 2 weeks when i got it
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nah its there by default in ics
its one of ics main selling points
btw for the record i love touchwiz just because of the extra features like mini apps
the ui hasnt really affected me as i probs only have had my tab with stocktouchwiz theme for about 2 weeks when i got it
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Whoops my bad xD haha yes the calculator and task manager r soo useful
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Honeycomb is a very good concept but a "beta version" software: slow, laggy, unstable and incomplete in several ways... I got my G.Tab 10.1 in January and 2 weeks later I flashed (and kept updated ever since) ICS KANG and loving it.
That said, I do like the added Samsung apps and functionality (on both my Note and my G.Tab 10.1) so as soon as it comes out I will flash Samsung's ICS update.
The Note is already great as it is on the latest LB1 Gingerbread ROM so I don't mind waiting a little more for ICS BUT I really can't wait to get Samsung's ICS ROM for the Tab 10.1 and pretty pissed off that they can't seem to be able to give a less vague date.
I hope they make it up to me by adding the split screen funcionality shown off on the Note 10.1 and a revamped note app which syncs across my Note's S Memo app and Outlook notes..
I think touchwiz on 3.X is amazing, really improves the experience. I cringe whenever I see the stock notification bar (I have to open it, hit settings and then hit settings again to actually open the settings compared to open it and hit settings once in touchwiz).
If touchwiz is that amazing, what's HTC sense? Sense is great on both phones and tabs. Look at the HTC jetstream, HTC did a much better job then Samsung.
I don't mind Touchwiz. I like some of the little extras, etc. Stock Honeycomb is still fugly so TW helps a tad, but since it's so light, not much. ICS is a huge improvement on phones, but not so much in tablets. It's bascially what Honeycomb should have been in the first place.
I'd rather have HTC Sense, but since HTC never had any good wifi tablets last year, it just wasn't in the cards. I will say, the GT 10.1 has been a good tablet and does everything I need it to do, but I won't be buying anymore Samsung products like.... um.... Ever. My next tab will be W8 and probably from Asus or something.
I have never liked HTC Sense at all, Touchwiz is a great compromise between adding functionality and staying as close as possible at the "Android experience" (which keeps on getting better and better). Ideally I would like to have a consistent experience across all Android devices with, at best, "touches" added by the different makers and design and hardware to differentiate among them. Sense goes totally against this.
How can I make the Nexus 7 super-easy to use?
I have an elderly relative who has never used any Android device, or much technology at all to be honest besides old feature phones and television boxes, and we shall soon be purchasing her a Google Nexus 7. We settled on this idea after noticing that the 8GB Nexus 7 model is only £159 GBP, which isn't much more than the Kindle Touch and also offers a slightly larger screen. I am looking to make the experience personal and also easy for her.
Since I am going to use a custom launcher to prevent access to the app menu and simplify the user experience by showing her only the apps she will need to use (preventing access to the settings will prevent her accidentally deleting things), I am looking for a widget which will allow me to add my own custom text set to a custom size to the home screen. With this, I'll separate up the few apps she plans on using. Any recommendations for such an application?
Since this person does not have full function of a second arm, are there any applications which make one-handed operation easier on the tablet's 7 inch display?
Is there a widget which will allow me to add "picture frames" to the home screen? I could put some pictures of the family in these, which will add a nice personal touch.
Are there any keyboards which are good for one-handed use? Please do not say Swype.
Any suggestions to any of my issues I face? Also, any general app recommendations are welcome, but keep in mind who this tablet is for when making suggestions. For example, no messenger apps.
No ideas to any of those applications/features I'm looking to implement?
Twenty minutes before the first bump and between the first and second - get a bit of patience! People aren't lurking on forums waiting to jump on your every post...
1. Yes - Minimalistic Text and others
3. Yes - search Play store for "picture widget"
4. Why not Swype? What makes it unsuitable (that'll make it easier for others to make suggestions.
Swype probably requires two-handing on a device this big.
Honestly, any keyboard that works well with one hand, will also reconfigure so much that you'll essentially have to relearn it.
Messagease and 8pen are good with one hand, but they obviously don't look anything like qwerty. And one-hand typing is really only feasible with phones anyway.
Best bet is just to use voice recognition and hope it really is as up to snuff.
You're probably not going to like my answer, but I tried this (also with a person who had use of only one arm) and it didn't work. I mounted it to a table on a movable arm to make it easy to use.
Beyond the shaking hands and weak eyes, the biggest problem is understanding the UI. To you and I it's not complicated, but we grew up with computers. That's not any sort of judgment; the guy was capable of using a windows XP computer (very very slowly), it's just that switching to a new IU is much more confusing to the older brain than for a younger brain. They just don't have the filters to pick out the important information from the screen quickly, and every step requires conscious thought. This can be very tiring for an older person, and--at least in my experience--older people don't have a lot of tolerance for frustration.
I don't want you to be discouraged by this; I spent weeks on this (and several hundred dollars) and ended up getting him a small laptop on which I installed a simplification program that allowed only basic email and internet. But your relative may be more savvy, have better coordination, or just more interest in making it work. Here's what I'd suggest:
1) "minimalist text" can be customized to put static text on the screen. You'll have to play with it a bit.
2) There's no applications I can think of that make it easier, but I'd suggest giving her some system to mount it where she can both see and reach it. Have her sit as she would when she wanted to use it (chair, table, bed) and figure out how she can use it with her arm resting on something.
3) I think the picture frames widget is included in stock android. I'd strongly suggest against using anything other than a solid-colored background though. Again, it's difficult for an older brain to parse large amounts of information, and older eyes to see past the contrasts. I'm sure there's some way to have a rotating photo widget on some part of the screen in the market though.
4) Swiftkey. It's a bit advanced, but has one major advantage: predictive text. She can enter a few letters and the software will come up with a few words. Often it will get the intended word within a few letters, which can save a lot of inputs. That said, I think the stock android keyboard in JB has this functionality too, so you might hold off and try that.
A few other suggestions:
1) Get a launcher that can be cut down to just one screen. ADW EX does this. And get rid of the elastic screens (allows it to stay static). You said you already have a custom launcher in mind; which one were you thinking of?
2) When AOKP gets their hands on this, they'll allow you to add and change buttons to the notification bar. Get rid of the long-presses, maybe even get rid of everything but the home and back button.
3) Forget the speech recognition stuff. Old voices are not easy to understand for anyone, much less a computer, and convincing an older person to speak slowly and annunciate is not easy. Also, the first time it doesn't work you'll have a very frustrated relative to deal with...
4) Keep it simple. The first time you show her how to use it pick one thing (probably email or video chat) and show her how to do just that. If you take just one suggestion from me it's this. Add something next time, once she gets how to do email or video chat (test her first). Seriously, everyone will end up happier as a result.
OK, good luck! Hope it works better for you than it did for me!
I would say, a very simple background. No live wallpapers. A Big clock widget,
Get her a Bluetooth Keyboard, there is no sense in trying to force an older person to use a touch screen, that requires near perfect fingers. A normal keyboard is something she most likely has seen and used before. So it will feel normal.
A Widget for changing volume. Something with like a large Plus and Minus sign, and a big percent so she can easily see how loud it is.
Brad387 said:
How can I make the Nexus 7 super-easy to use?
I have an elderly relative who has never used any Android device, or much technology at all to be honest besides old feature phones and television boxes, and we shall soon be purchasing her a Google Nexus 7. We settled on this idea after noticing that the 8GB Nexus 7 model is only £159 GBP, which isn't much more than the Kindle Touch and also offers a slightly larger screen. I am looking to make the experience personal and also easy for her.
Since I am going to use a custom launcher to prevent access to the app menu and simplify the user experience by showing her only the apps she will need to use (preventing access to the settings will prevent her accidentally deleting things), I am looking for a widget which will allow me to add my own custom text set to a custom size to the home screen. With this, I'll separate up the few apps she plans on using. Any recommendations for such an application?
Since this person does not have full function of a second arm, are there any applications which make one-handed operation easier on the tablet's 7 inch display?
Is there a widget which will allow me to add "picture frames" to the home screen? I could put some pictures of the family in these, which will add a nice personal touch.
Are there any keyboards which are good for one-handed use? Please do not say Swype.
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Any suggestions to any of my issues I face? Also, any general app recommendations are welcome, but keep in mind who this tablet is for when making suggestions. For example, no messenger apps.
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lol man, RELAX. Bumping your thread like that is terrible forum etiquette.
I'd refer to your own thread that you opened not long before this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1757848
Aps at startup
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This might dumb the phone by a lot but: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=name.kunes.android.launcher.activity&hl=en
Here's a photo widget app that people seem to like though : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thinkjava.androidphotowidgetfree
If you can wait for further development.. flashing MIUI seems to attract a lot of newer android users due to the similarities with iOS. If not you can always get the MIUI style launcher.
Thanks. I will likely use Nova Launcher to keep the amount of screens to a minimum.
darkamikaze said:
This might dumb the phone by a lot but: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=name.kunes.android.launcher.activity&hl=en
Here's a photo widget app that people seem to like though : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thinkjava.androidphotowidgetfree
If you can wait for further development.. flashing MIUI seems to attract a lot of newer android users due to the similarities with iOS. If not you can always get the MIUI style launcher.
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Yuck. No thank you on miui. I hate the unorganized nature of having every icon on the home screen. App drawer please.
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blackhand1001 said:
Yuck. No thank you on miui. I hate the unorganized nature of having every icon on the home screen. App drawer please.
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Fascinating. But this isn't for you; it's for an older person.
OP, the folks pointing out that it's bad forum etiquette to create multiple threads and bump them are right. And considering the time folks put into answering your question, it wouldn't hurt to respond and click the "thanks" button.
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Swype probably requires two-handing on a device this big.
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I don't understand how you would use Swype with two hands even if you wanted to. Swyping requires one continuous swipe with one finger across all of the letters that spell out your word, and besides the actual act of swyping, I don't understand how using it would be any different from using one finger to type on a non-Swype keyboard.
blackhand1001 said:
Yuck. No thank you on miui. I hate the unorganized nature of having every icon on the home screen. App drawer please.
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Sorry that you don't know much about MIUI. It's the easiest ROM that I have used and now have it on my Infuse and Nook Color.
I am 66yo and like very simple and clean screens that are easy to use. The attached s/s's are from a 7" Nook Color screen.
1. Home screen.
2. Favorites expanded
3. 2nd Page....only have 2 pages...show all my apps in folders...no app drawer.
4. Reading folder opened
EDIT: You can set up as many or as few folders as you need and name them anything you choose.
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Sorry that you don't know much about MIUI. It's the easiest ROM that I have used and now have it on my Infuse and Nook Color.
I am 66yo and like very simple and clean screens that are easy to use. The attached s/s's are from a 7" Nook Color screen.
1. Home screen.
2. Favorites expanded
3. 2nd Page....only have 2 pages...show all my apps in folders...no app drawer.
4. Reading folder opened
EDIT: You can set up as many or as few folders as you need and name them anything you choose.
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I've used miui on several devices. I just find it clunky. I like having an alphabetically sorted app drawer.
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I'm working on the same issue for my mom, who just turned 86.
I downloaded Minimalistic Text for her, but I had assumed it would be simple to set up - it isn't.
Am I correct that it's very limited as to what it can display? It appears to be able to display the time, date, temp, and then a few other things not important to your typical 86 year old, such as battery level, cpu speed, etc.
I had hoped I would be able to have it launch apps, so I could for instance, have it show "Email", Facebook", etc.
Older people have difficulty remembering the names of apps sometimes. "K9" for instance, would not mean email to my mom.
Something that would allow you to make app icons larger might help. But I had high hopes for Minimalist Text!
Btw, we did a four way hangout with her yesterday. She has beginning Alzheimer's, but she loves technology!
Edit: I see in the OP's other thread someone mentioned Simple Text . Can that be used on a stock N7? Must I use a different launcher?
Well i already installed it wit infamous 2 but i dont like it. I think touchwiz in this rom look horrible, with colors that in personal i dont like it. And many features like face unlock are not in this upgrade. What do you think?
Other than face unlock, for which I have absolutely no use for, whats missing?
+ Beats HC and the former ICS/JB custom ROMS by a mile.
+ Runs great, especially the browser.
+ Looks good, but I like stock JB better, nothing to bad though.
too big font, too bright color, ugly locking screen, lost about 200MB RAM.
All other things are great.
Its touchwiz again. I think it looks horrible and i hope cm10 will get the camera drivers soon.
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As far as performance is concerned it is great, a big step forward compared to previous ROMs or other custom firmware. Unfortunately, it is bloated with Touchwiz apps which are not necessary since there are Google equivalent apps that do the job perfectly well.
However, the biggest issue for me is the fact that it has no consistent user interface, a problem common to all non-stock Android versions. The Samsung apps have their own Touchwiz user interface while all other apps use the standard ICS user interface elements and colours. Some system elements like the Settings panel and various pop up windows utilise the Touchwiz graphical elements while others the standard ICS elements. Even the arrows that allow the user to select a piece of text look completely different depending on whether one is running a Samsung app or a standard Android one!
In my opinion, it is important for an OS which depends heavily on the user interface, like tablet and phone OSes, to have a common and standard look and feel not only for cosmetic purposes but also to ensure that the users are not confused and all apps look consistent with a specific design philosophy so that users can easily locate menus and other elements. This is the biggest failure of Touchwiz and as a result the overall look and feel of this firmware is strange with bright and colourful user interface elements when Touchwiz is used and dark black and blue elements when running standard Android apps.
Notice here that I am not judging the quality of Touchwiz vs standard ICS and some people prefer the one instead of the other. I am saying that whatever the choice of user inteface it has to be consistent throughout the system and third-party apps. Personally, I prefer the standard ICS user inteface but this is not the point of my argument.
I hope that third-party Android developers will use the updated libraries of this firmware as well as the camera drivers to produce a fully functioning standard ICS or Jelly Bean ROM through projects like CM9/CM10 for the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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Braaank said:
Well i already installed it wit infamous 2 but i dont like it. I think touchwiz in this rom look horrible, with colors that in personal i dont like it. And many features like face unlock are not in this upgrade. What do you think?
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I am one of those who actually MUCH prefer Touchwiz and the other Samsung apps, added settings and personalizations (for example the overlay mini-apps and the now configurable screenshot button are extremely handy and I hate the "2-steps" notification bar in non-TW ROMs) so for me this ROM is GREAT.
I have never been interested in the least in face-unlock, I have always used the pattern lockscreen.
What I would have liked to see in this ROM are the SIM application toolkit, the numbers top row in the keyboard (like in all the recent Samsung keyboards) and the battery percentage.
P.S. that said, if the G.Tab 10.1 isn't going to get an official JB update from Samsung I am sure that at some point, once it matures, I will go back to CM10...
I have installed it on P7500 3G and it works fine (4.0.4 firmware for Italy)
however, keyboard does NOT work in Android Terminal Emulator, and I don´t know why
does anybody else use Terminal Emulator, can you check and report? thanks
Braaank said:
Well i already installed it wit infamous 2 but i dont like it. I think touchwiz in this rom look horrible, with colors that in personal i dont like it. And many features like face unlock are not in this upgrade. What do you think?
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I'm as happy as a pig in ****, now I might use it for more than a glorified Netflix machine.
That was the thing with the custom ICS/JB roms is that they were so unstable and brought literally nothing to the table besides being someone else's opinion on what they thought I wanted.
I want stability and I want good, official looking apps. Not File Manager HD with its advertising aids and not some bright ass boot animation that blinds me every time I have to reboot because it froze overnight.
But I digress.
I think this release by Samsung is quite amazing, and it will hold me off long enough till I decide to buy a newer model Galaxy Tab.
At the rate Samsung is going they are going to be my new favorite company. Not just because of this update, for numerous other dealings as well.
peraburek said:
I have installed it on P7500 3G and it works fine (4.0.4 firmware for Italy)
however, keyboard does NOT work in Android Terminal Emulator, and I don´t know why
does anybody else use Terminal Emulator, can you check and report? thanks
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I had that same problem yesterday, no matter which keyboard I tried, I'll probably just use another terminal app.
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The new version is definitely a step ahead. It seems Swype is usable now, although it still lags a bit but at least it can keep up with typing for me not like earlier versions.
I also like it and I guess touchwiz is inevitable. Desktop customization has been upgraded too which is very useful.
If something else could be asked is a tad more smoothness when switching desktops and probably one last push update to jelly bean for increased smoothness.
We'll see in the coming days with extended use. For.me :good:
Am I the only one havin' problems playin' some HD videos in the youtube app? (Factory Reset done after odin flash) My old SGS running ICS is capable of doin' that.
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the ugliness of the Samsung 4.0.4 really disturbs me...
Was Samsung smoking pot in the many months spent on making it on to 10.1?
peraburek said:
I have installed it on P7500 3G and it works fine (4.0.4 firmware for Italy)
however, keyboard does NOT work in Android Terminal Emulator, and I don´t know why
does anybody else use Terminal Emulator, can you check and report? thanks
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It doesn't work for me too. I can enter numbers and other symbols, but I cannot enter any letters.
Edit: It turned out, that using Swype instead of Samsung keyboard, works great in the Terminal Emulator.
new ics samsung
iI like it, very stable and with best email stock client that I never see.
I really am digging it. My only complaint so far is how close the notification icons are to each other.
le_novo said:
Am I the only one havin' problems playin' some HD videos in the youtube app? (Factory Reset done after odin flash) My old SGS running ICS is capable of doin' that.
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same problem here ...
The only thing that i complain in this new build, is there are some games that aren't working. For example Mass Effect (GooglePlay obviously) it works on CM9, however doesn't on the Samsung rom (both 4.04).
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no problems whatsoever here and what "problems" are you two talking about exactly?
P.S. and I watch a lot of Youtube videos on the tab
daniel_fm said:
The new version is definitely a step ahead. It seems Swype is usable now, although it still lags a bit but at least it can keep up with typing for me not like earlier versions.
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Yes!!! This was probably the first thing I checked once the install had finished. I love Swype but it was pretty much unusable in stock HC on the tab. No more automatic deleting of the last two characters when typing a search into the browser!!!
From my perspective it's a it early to give an opinion but it's looking good so far although my quadrant score has taken a nosedive (yes, I know that doesn't mean anytihgn in reality)
Lagging playback on some HD videos.
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