Samsung buys Steve "Cyanogen" Kondik for undisclosed amount - Atrix 4G General

http://phandroid.com/2011/08/15/in-...ve-cyanogen-kondik-for-an-undisclosed-amount/
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Deggy said:
http://phandroid.com/2011/08/15/in-...ve-cyanogen-kondik-for-an-undisclosed-amount/
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Wow! Thats all I can say

Wonder that means in real world terms for CM development on phones other than Samsung.

Wow. Google has bought Motorola and Samsung hired Cyanogen in the same day.
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what a day for android!...first google+moto and now this.
maybe now, we wont have to donate to his (their) beer fund...jk i'm happy for him.

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Wonder that means in real world terms for CM development on phones other than Samsung.
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Well, apparently he says that CM will still be a side project.... so we'll have to see.

Mmm. I bet they'll start incorporating CM7 as the base for a lot of Samsung phones now.

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Mmm. I bet they'll start incorporating CM7 as the base for a lot of Samsung phones now.
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That would be something if they did.

Just hope he is smart and doesnt sign some sort of non-compete that comes back to bite him.
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Just hope he is smart and doesnt sign some sort of non-compete that comes back to bite him.
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Agreed. Im sure they want to use his CM7 for a base and they may make him sign something like that. Ive seen this happen in the Apple jailbreak world. Developer gets taken by Apple and all his side developments stopped.

Does this mean cyanogen will become official? God I love that they bought moto, but I sure hope steve is just gonna be used to help build android,and they leave cyanogen alone
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What I'm confused about...is he the ONLY person that maintains the CM mainline? If there's a team of people, what's to stop them from making sure this ROM base is updated (i.e. reflects changes made with ICS when CM8 is made, etc.)? I mean, it's open source and non-profit...
I can't imagine the most popular Android ROM all-time could just die, but I ALSO don't foresee this one guy maintaining it at a level appropriate for ~570,000 phones that have it installed since he's now gonna be occupied with greater things for himself.
It sure would be a shame if Samsung sort of grabbed exclusivity over CM...Samsung gets CM, Moto gets AOSP, which to choose!?

thebeardedchild said:
What I'm confused about...is he the ONLY person that maintains the CM mainline? If there's a team of people, what's to stop them from making sure this ROM base is updated (i.e. reflects changes made with ICS when CM8 is made, etc.)? I mean, it's open source and non-profit...
I can't imagine the most popular Android ROM all-time could just die, but I ALSO don't foresee this one guy maintaining it at a level appropriate for ~570,000 phones that have it installed since he's now gonna be occupied with greater things for himself.
It sure would be a shame if Samsung sort of grabbed exclusivity over CM...Samsung gets CM, Moto gets AOSP, which to choose!?
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Steve is NOT the only member of CyanogenMod.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Community_Members
CM will go on.

Dr.Jeckyl said:
Steve is NOT the only member of CyanogenMod.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Community_Members
CM will go on.
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Sweet, I didn't think the project hinged on him so I was confused as to some people's apprehension about the news as I read about it online..
Thanks for the clarification!
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Cyanogenmod 7

Where can I find updates? The cm7 thread was locked, and the closest I could find was a how-to for building it from souce. But it says that compiling now will brick the phone.
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There aren't any updates. When there are there will be a new thread.
You probably won't see anything major until official Gingerbread drops sometime this or next month.
Having like-source makes the whole porting process easier.
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You probably won't see anything major until official Gingerbread drops sometime this or next month.
Having like-source makes the whole porting process easier.
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Ya, that's what they said about Froyo and CM6. Fact is, is that we aren't gonna see CM7 most likely. We have good dev's, but I think they have moved to another phone.
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Ya, that's what they said about Froyo and CM6. Fact is, is that we aren't gonna see CM7 most likely. We have good dev's, but I think they have moved to another phone.
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This post wasn't helpfulfull at all so why post it?
There still working on it, maybe you don't understand how long this kinda stuff takes , try it for yourself to get an idea.
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Ok.. I just wanst sure where to look. I'm running cyanogenmod 6 and the only problem I see is 4g...which I don't get where I live. Other than that its butter smooth. And I thought the froyo source was never released?
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ac16313 said:
This post wasn't helpfulfull at all so why post it?
There still working on it, maybe you don't understand how long this kinda stuff takes , try it for yourself to get an idea.
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Okay, if you say so. Not like I don't want CM7 also, but the thread got locked, there aren't any updates anymore made public and you are pipe dreaming if you think the source code is going to be that big miracle to push CM7 to our phones. It will come eventually, but I wouldn't bet on it anytime soon. Most of us will have moved on by the time it releases and makes this phone what it should have been since last year.
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Okay, if you say so. Not like I don't want CM7 also, but the thread got locked, there aren't any updates anymore made public and you are pipe dreaming if you think the source code is going to be that big miracle to push CM7 to our phones. It will come eventually, but I wouldn't bet on it anytime soon. Most of us will have moved on by the time it releases and makes this phone what it should have been since last year.
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I disagree. Maybe you and others will move on, but there will be new users and devs after you're gone. There are still active devs for the Moment. I don't see this phone dying any time soon.
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I disagree. Maybe you and others will move on, but there will be new users and devs after you're gone. There are still active devs for the Moment. I don't see this phone dying any time soon.
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we may not die soon but we have cancer and we dont have that many devs anymore as far as i see it its been getting slower and slower i just hope something boosts us though cause my contract doesnt end till 2013 lol
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Ya, that's what they said about Froyo and CM6. Fact is, is that we aren't gonna see CM7 most likely. We have good dev's, but I think they have moved to another phone.
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You'll see CM7.
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You'll see CM7.
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Sounds like a confirmation to me.
Decad3nce said:
You'll see CM7.
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The man has spoken.
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I disagree. Maybe you and others will move on, but there will be new users and devs after you're gone. There are still active devs for the Moment. I don't see this phone dying any time soon.
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Yes some will actually stay with the Epic, I will.
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Decad3nce said:
You'll see CM7.
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My heart skipped a beat when I read this <3
Decad3nce said:
You'll see CM7.
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This made my day much better!
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That made me smile, Dec.
And yes -- I think the Epic has a long life ahead of it. It's a great device and one of the last phones to really have everything and be free of a bootloader (aside from HTC's stuff). The dev's are doing a great job rebuilding an entire layer of software to get this phone supported -- basically like being a very clever caveman trying to build a car. Totally can't wait until we get a release! Thanks for all your hard work, devs!
As soon as work settles down (soon), I'll hop on the dev bandwagon.
No matter what, CM7 will be out.
I plan on having this phone for 2 years. No way I'm spending $400 on a new phone.
heathmcabee said:
Okay, if you say so. Not like I don't want CM7 also, but the thread got locked, there aren't any updates anymore made public and you are pipe dreaming if you think the source code is going to be that big miracle to push CM7 to our phones. It will come eventually, but I wouldn't bet on it anytime soon. Most of us will have moved on by the time it releases and makes this phone what it should have been since last year.
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If you read any of the posts in the thread you'd realize that about 90% of them were useless 'spam' that didn't need to be there. Hence, why it was closed.
Trying to find the wrong line of code that's messing it all up like like finding a needle in a hay stack that's a mile across...especially without the source code to compare it to.
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I disagree. Maybe you and others will move on, but there will be new users and devs after you're gone. There are still active devs for the Moment. I don't see this phone dying any time soon.
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Fo sho. I haven't ben on the touch pro 2 for 9 months, and when I strolll by their forum, I don't even recognize the names of new roms and the devs and posters. This phone may have two or three waves of owners. The early adopters, then the late adopters, then the second hand era in another year or so on ours.
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That's great news decadence thank you. Also this phone is awesome especially with a fully functional cm7. I still haven't really seen a phone that compares with this epic yet. I might even have this for 2 years from now. Dual cores will prolly be more buggy at first and they won't really be optimized for android or apps for atleast another year or so. So I'm good with this phone.

Cyanogen's Steve Kondik with Sammy!

Steve Kondik of Cyanogen mod now works for Samsung...pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeese make this mean the Epic will still get some more lovin' =]
http://gadgetu.net/cyanogenmod-ringleader-now-working-with-samsung-mobile/
Never buying a non-Samsung phone ever again. *looks at watch and patiently starts waiting for the sgs2*
Edit: Oh yeah, and first
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Great news
Wizard Knight said:
Never buying a non-Samsung phone ever again. *looks at watch and patiently starts waiting for the sgs2*
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This
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COOL !!!! Hope this works out well for us EPIC owners !
Well hate to be the one that breaks the happiness. This may be a double edge sword...
If he's working with Sammy remember that they are corporate and he is a member of their corporation now, and he must follow by their rules and regulations. This could mean the end of Cyanogen era as well.
Remember these corporations don't care 100% of what we do with their phones because they consider it "out of bounds". Hint: Remember what MS did with the dev group that was hacking their phones?????
http://phandroid.com/2011/08/15/in-...nt/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Another link. According to this, CM will remain a side project for him.
Posted by Mr. Z's Epic 4G.
Plus, I wouldn't be too worried about the fate of cyanogenmod with all the developers that work on it (including some Googlers), even if he starts playing a smaller role
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Wizard Knight said:
Plus, I wouldn't be too worried about the fate of cyanogenmod with all the developers that work on it (including some Googlers), even if he starts playing a smaller role
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Google should take CyanogenMod and sneak it in as ICS lol
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ac16313 said:
Google should take CyanogenMod and sneak it in as ICS lol
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But then CM7 would be ICS lol
Posted by Mr. Z's Epic 4G.
this is awesome....
MeetFace said:
Steve Condik of Cyanogen mod now works for Samsung...pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeese make this mean the Epic will still get some more lovin' =]
http://gadgetu.net/cyanogenmod-ringleader-now-working-with-samsung-mobile/
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FWIW his name is Steve Kondik and in no way does this impact CyanogenMod in ANY negative way.
Decad3nce said:
FWIW his name is Steve Kondik and in no way does this impact CyanogenMod in ANY negative way.
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Redundancy for a purpose.
Decad3nce said:
Redundancy for a purpose.
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Awesome lol. Agreed, this is very positive for CM.
Posted by Mr. Z's Epic 4G.
Maybe he can convince them to release the complete source for the bastard child of the Galaxy S phone... All i wanna know is what electrical/comp engineer pissed in the Epic 4g design
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FWIW his name is Steve Kondik and in no way does this impact CyanogenMod in ANY negative way.
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So maybe, just maybe, we can get what we need from Samsung through Steve to make CM7 work right on our phones?
*Sigh* Would be nice...
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Maybe he can convince them to release the complete source for the bastard child of the Galaxy S phone... All i wanna know is what electrical/comp engineer pissed in the Epic 4g design
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Darkshneider said:
So maybe, just maybe, we can get what we need from Samsung through Steve to make CM7 work right on our phones?
*Sigh* Would be nice...
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Nope, never gonna happen.
Steve hasn't had any input w/ CM on any samsung device so far, and he especially won't now.
SO it finally seem's the big boys are finally getting recognized sloooowly?
From my understanding...without the GB source code...Tony Stark couldn't put this together in that cave regardless right?...this is assuming the official (no disrespect to our developers we luuv y'all!) CM developers all had source code for the officialy supported devices? Correct me if I'm wrong
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As someone who has never used Cyanogenmod, I just don't get the hype surrounding this project. I have a general understanding on why development is where it is for the Epic currently, but I definitely don't get the butt-hurt posts/threads on this topic. (Not inferring that this thread is one of those types of threads. )
Aside from the AOSP look/feel of it, what's the real hype over the project?

Steve Kondik (CyanogenMod) gets hired by Samsung

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/16/cyanogen_hired_by_samsung/
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Craziness. Too bad he wont be working for google to make official android. Oh well. Congrats to him
snandlal said:
Craziness. Too bad he wont be working for google to make official android. Oh well. Congrats to him
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I say is Google's loss on that one, thay had all this time to actually get with the man that changed this OS and made this happen (CM). Now Samsung is going with the expertise from someone that knows this code and will make it more user friendly!
CM is good, but I still prefer plain old Android myself. Good for him though, dude.
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FYI - It's Steve Kondik.
tehgeekguy said:
FYI - It's Steve Kondik.
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Damn keyboard I hope Steve fixes that some day
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That's pretty wicked.
Kudos
Wish i had programming skills but alas i have the attention span of a drain fly. Every time i try to teach myself something i end up either playing video games or some how in a strip club...... I got kind of into php but then just sputtered out.
Congrats

BOUNTY!!! 4G for Cyanogenmod 7.

Since Cyanogenmod 7.2 is nearing its completion. I recommend we put up a bounty to get 4g working. This will probably be an unofficial build of the official build if that makes sense. Since 4g will not be supported. I am will to start off with $25.00. I would pledge more but I am hurting financially. I believe putting up a bounty is fair because not everybody can enjoy 4g coverage.
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jamice4u $25.00
flastnoles11 $100.00
Total $125.00
jamice4u said:
Since Cyanogenmod 7.2 is nearing its completion. I recommend we put up a bounty to get 4g working. This will probably be an unofficial build of the official build if that makes sense. Since 4g will not be supported. I am will to start off with $25.00. I would pledge more but I am hurting financially. I believe putting up a bounty is fair because not everybody can enjoy 4g coverage.
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If somebody can get 4g working on cm7 I am fully prepared to donate at least $100
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Uh oh' not another bounty thread lol
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I wonder if all the people in the Cyanogenmod 7 bounty thread have paid now that the Epic is supported? WiMax for.Samsung are proprietary drivers with no released source. It seems unlikely since enough people do not have 4G in their area that this will be done.
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If the epic cm team can't do it, no one can.
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Please no bounties. Terrible way to motivate open source developers.
Decad3nce said:
Please no bounties. Terrible way to motivate open source developers.
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Why don't you pick a charity and the money will go to them? That way you are not insulted by even the slightest hint of a thought that you are doing this awesome work for the money AND a charity gets some money that might do some good.
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Please no bounties. Terrible way to motivate open source developers.
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And besides, CM9 is way more important. Wink wink, nudge nudge. How's that going by the way? Or has it not begun yet?
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Please no bounties. Terrible way to motivate open source developers.
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No it's not. Bounties are great for the (deservedly so) arrogant hax0rz who don't bother because there's no personal gain....
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xboxfanj said:
And besides, CM9 is way more important. Wink wink, nudge nudge. How's that going by the way? Or has it not begun yet?
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If it doesn't work on CM7, what makes you think it would on CM9?
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If it doesn't work on CM7, what makes you think it would on CM9?
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He doesn't think it will... he wants cm9 more than 4g.
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As Decad3nce said earlier, this isn't the way to go about it. In the past our team of developers had said that WiMax is the furthest thing on their priority list for a reason, being that it is going to be hellish to do, just like MTD was hellish to do but MTD benefited us in a longer term than many understand now.
That being said you can't just buy your developers so they've an entitlement to get something done, if they decide to work on it they do, if not oh well. Perhaps you yourself can look into the issue and attempt it. And see exactly what it is which is making the topic of 4G such a disliked one. I don't mean to be rude but if it was really easy, or simple because another device has it, it would have been done already, it's been looked at forever, doesn't mean it'll happen. The EVO 4G's instance of it and ours are in no way the same story.
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As Decad3nce said earlier, this isn't the way to go about it. In the past our team of developers had said that WiMax is the furthest thing on their priority list for a reason, being that it is going to be hellish to do, just like MTD was hellish to do but MTD benefited us in a longer term than many understand now.
That being said you can't just buy your developers so they've an entitlement to get something done, if they decide to work on it they do, if not oh well. Perhaps you yourself can look into the issue and attempt it. And see exactly what it is which is making the topic of 4G such a disliked one. I don't mean to be rude but if it was really easy, or simple because another device has it, it would have been done already, it's been looked at forever, doesn't mean it'll happen. The EVO 4G's instance of it and ours are in no way the same story.
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I've been wondering how exactly did the EVO devs get 4G working
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I've been wondering how exactly did the EVO devs get 4G working
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Months and Months and Months of trial and error as well as Steve Kondik(Cyanogen) being one of it's maintainers. Wasn't simple wasn't easy and wasn't the fastest thing to happen. People need to understand that.
I wonder if the reversed engineered Linux driver for the Samsung CMC-730 chip called Madwimax will work for the Epic since it uses the CMC-730 Wimax chip? I know I saw some video of a guy running a "demo" of Madwimax on an Android 3.0 tab using a usb modem connected to the tab. Could it be modified to run on the Epic? He has tar of madwimax for android in his Youtube video for download. OK I found the video of it:
adelmundo said:
I wonder if the reversed engineered Linux driver for the Samsung CMC-730 chip called Madwimax will work for the Epic since it uses the CMC-730 Wimax chip? I know I saw some video of a guy running a "demo" of Madwimax on an Android 3.0 tab using a usb modem connected to the tab. Could it be modified to run on the Epic? He has tar of madwimax for android in his Youtube video for download. OK I found the video of it:
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Actually, that's not that bad, I'll pass along that you pointed this out. I don't know if it'll work but that's probably lol, the most realistic thing I've heard regarding wimax so far.
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I've been wondering how exactly did the EVO devs get 4G working
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Because they actually worked on it... in no way was that a hit to the devs of epic cm7!!!! Trust me I know how tough it is to get it working. One of my friends worked on the evo cm7 and he said it was one of the most difficult things he has ever worked on... they spent a lot of time trying to get 4g working... its not an easy task and with wimax being a dying bread probably not worth their effort! I would love to see cm7 with 4g but it probably won't happen because it is more effort than it is worth!
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Actually, that's not that bad, I'll pass along that you pointed this out. I don't know if it'll work but that's probably lol, the most realistic thing I've heard regarding wimax so far.
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Cool thanks. I hope this info gets to the right people. Since the Samsung Wimax driver source has already has been reversed engineered by Madwimax already, that hopefully will save time for the CM dev crew to figure it out. I am no developer so I know absolutely zero if it'll work or not. I just happened to stumble on this video a couple months back when I did a search for wimax and tablet on youtube while I was researching a tablet purchase for Black Friday. Oh the random things you find while just surfing.
Okay no sweat. Cyanogenmod 9 is more important. I love the great work they did on cyanogenmod 7 this ROM is fantastic.
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This seems pretty obvious so I am sure you guys have thought about it ... but doesn't the Nexus S 4G have Wimax working in CM7? Doesn't it and our phones have virtually identical hardware? Is there a reason that you guys couldn't do whatever those guys did?

Google limiting CDMA AOSP builds... great.

Apparently Google isnt interested in CDMA phones having custom developer builds. Such as CM7, CM9 and MIUI. Read it for yourself.
LINK
Wonder what this means for us...
10charrrrr
sohardivetried said:
Apparently Google isnt interested in CDMA phones having custom developer builds. Such as CM7, CM9 and MIUI. Read it for yourself.
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Wonder what this means for us...
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Well, that is not all that unusual. From a development and support standard, it is next to impossible for Google or anyone else to keep track of and support every possible ROM out there. Just like with anything, when you start making changes, you are taking the risk and giving up the safety of designated support. And to be quite honest, I would rather get my support from other users on XDA than "official" corporation lackeys.
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Well, that is not all that unusual. From a development and support standard, it is next to impossible for Google or anyone else to keep track of and support every possible ROM out there. Just like with anything, when you start making changes, you are taking the risk and giving up the safety of designated support. And to be quite honest, I would rather get my support from other users on XDA than "official" corporation lackeys.
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while i agree that i would rather have a non corporate dev, it wont do much good if support for CDMA is removed from the AOSP source tree... Basically google is saying, get your CDMA support from your carrier, not us. even though they originally wrote the code to get CDMA working, much of the data used is supplied by the carrier. I think it has a lot to do with verizon, not sprint, but cdma is cdma...
Wow, people really do love to misinterpret and over react to Google announcements. This is starting to feel like the privacy policy backlash.
Umm, after reading the actual Google groups article (not the usual trash by the register), it doesn't look like anything has changed. According to the announcement, Google has simply changed the verbiage in their AOSP documentation to reflect the reality of how little support they've been able to give CDMA...
Sooo...basically, Google has always had a hard time supporting custom AOSP CDMA builds due to the technical reasons outlined, but the AOSP documentation gave the impression that there wasn't a difficult time. Now they've simply edited the documentation to reflect the reality of the situation. Not dropping support, as they've stated twice, they'll still be giving the same amount of effort to support CDMA.
So...the status quo is still, indeed, the status quo.
Carry on people, nothing to worry about here.
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Wow, people really do love to misinterpret and over react to Google announcements. This is starting to feel like the privacy policy backlash.
Umm, after reading the actual Google groups article (not the usual trash by the register), it doesn't look like anything has changed. According to the announcement, Google has simply changed the verbiage in their AOSP documentation to reflect the reality of how little support they've been able to give CDMA...
Sooo...basically, Google has always had a hard time supporting custom AOSP CDMA builds due to the technical reasons outlined, but the AOSP documentation gave the impression that there wasn't a difficult time. Now they've simply edited the documentation to reflect the reality of the situation. Not dropping support, as they've stated twice, they'll still be giving the same amount of effort to support CDMA.
So...the status quo is still, indeed, the status quo.
Carry on people, nothing to worry about here.
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sweet, good to know i just thought it was ****ed up, thought we might not have much to look forward to if we are upgrading to the Galaxy Nexus or SGS3 on sprint. ive never considered a carrier switch until i read that. Good to know i might not have to.
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sweet, good to know i just thought it was ****ed up, thought we might not have much to look forward to if we are upgrading to the Galaxy Nexus or SGS3 on sprint. ive never considered a carrier switch until i read that. Good to know i might not have to.
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A carrier switch? You gonna hop the pond and move into O2 coverage?
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I would kill to have Sprint as a GSM carrier. Best bang for my buck, but stuck with CDMA.
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drunkskunk said:
I don't use google no more since it has turned into a data snatching troll. No more privacy. I use bing.works great! But I do prefer gmaps over bmaps.
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What are you even talking about?... trollin.
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nerdtaco said:
I would kill to have Sprint as a GSM carrier. Best bang for my buck, but stuck with CDMA.
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AT&T has good coverage but their voice quality is god awful...warble..warble..warble...no thanks I prefer CDMA voice quality.
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What are you even talking about?... trollin.
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Trollin
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ac16313 said:
What are you even talking about?... trollin.
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Different opinion=/=trollin
Lul
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A_Flying_Fox said:
Different opinion=/=trollin
Lul
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Lol this is the internet you should know nobody is allowed to have opinions... haha jk but I said that because I read the username
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ac16313 said:
Lol this is the internet you should know nobody is allowed to have opinions... haha jk but I said that because I read the username
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Yeah! If we want your opinion we'll give it to you...LOL!

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