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Eric Schmidt's words concerning why the Nexus One was created and how we dont need number Two.
Initially, Google felt that they needed to build a device to help Android along so they worked with HTC to create the Nexus One handset. Schmidt says: “The idea a year and a half ago was to do the Nexus One to try to move the phone platform hardware business forward. It clearly did. It was so successful, we didn't have to do a second one. We would view that as positive but people criticised us heavily for that. I called up the board and said: 'Ok, it worked. Congratulations - we're stopping'. We like that flexibility, we think that flexibility is characteristic of nimbleness at our scale."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-Schmidt-You-can-trust-us-with-your-data.html
Heh, google is the inverse of apple
...I would like a Nexus Two though?
What about a 1280x720 4" IPS screen, sub-10mm thickness, aluminum/carbon fiber construction, HDMI port, front-facing camera, Tegra 2 SoC, battery life that is amazing, and capacitive touch buttons that are actually silk screened right?
And of course, a unicorn detector
oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
I thought the title was a joke. lol
Wow, damage control ahoy.
arcticreaver said:
i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
I don't know what happened in SE HQ when they moved onto touchscreen phones and the like. They were ahead of the curve back in the day but maybe their UI let them down?
Samsung are another company who made good hardware but ****ed it up with their clunky software.
I'm not sure how these guys turn the ship around but HTC came from nowhere and are one of the biggest mobile phone manufacturers about now. Surely SE and Samsung can make a cracking phone again and win some of the market share back.
Another issue might be locking down access to root or bastardising Android with a clunky shell. HTC avoided that with a pretty nice UI in Sense.
britoso said:
Heh, google is the inverse of apple
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That's why I love em.
Knew it and have been saying it all along.
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
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I don't know about you, but that's what I dislike about SE. Why couldn't they just combine the best walkman and camera in one phone? Instead, they made two phones out of almost the same hardware and charge a high price for each of them...
RogerPodacter said:
oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
Namuna said:
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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Amen!
I love the N1, and can't wait for a future device done the same way (without any branding). I seriously hope HTC is the manufacturer. Can't see myself using a phone not made by them.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
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Since android's beginning, there has always been Google's developer phone, the one that Google uses to write the android OS on. First was the g1, now its nexus. It will always be a vanilla android version, not HTC sense or MOTOblur or whatever. Perhaps the next one will be sold thru a carrier, but I think they will ensure it can be purchased unlocked too. We don't know, this is new territory, and The nexus kinda set the standard. So I'm anticipating Google will make sure the next phone can be had without the carrier influence as well.
I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
I'm done with SE, myself. I followed them for a little while with a P990i, then Xperia X1 and was going to get an X10... but glad I got a Nexus One instead.
High-priced pieces of trash, they are. I know the X1 was HTC built and rebranded, but WinMo was so laggy on it and SE slapped an $800 price tag on it. Enough to wake you up.
So there won't be a N1 successor ??
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I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
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Sure is nice having Google dictate what goes on the phone and not T-Mobile or AT&T or whoever. I think I'd opt for a slightly weaker phone over one with Sense UI and branding all over it.
I guess I'll be buying whichever dev phone is popular at the time, or making damn sure the phone has Cyanogen et al behind it and that it is vanilla.
No N2?!? Oh come on! It's not like they have to do much. Just make it a 4" screen, swap in a better 3D co-processor, slap a real keyboard on it and call it a day. I'd buy that off-contract any day!
I would agree that the N1 put android on the map, at the centre. They have multiple partners now SPAMMING rediculously good phones for android, the consumers know about it and WANT it, theyve done their task. Let them get back to making the OS orgasmic, and let HTC etc make phones that can vibrate
Like a guy said eariler this is whats called damage control. The N1 didn't start anything with Android OS, it was the Droid that did that. The N1 is a tiny blip on the radar of Android sales. The N1 failed and this is an arrogant look at the N1. The fact of the matter is HTC was planning 1ghz phones regardless of the N1 existance or not, remeber that phone list that was leaked last year of all the phones coming out this year? I love my N1 but lets face it google dropped the ball on it.
1. restrictions on the subdizing
2. restrictions on the type of plan
3. No dummy phones for TMO stores
IMO if they would have stuck the N1 in stores made it easy like Droid, Samsung Vibrant, and EVO, then N1 at the time would have been a mega hit. It was the first phone (that I can remember) with a ghz processor ppl would have went nuts for it because of the speed and its a really sexy looking phone.
Damn so soon
Didnt google just announce though that there wasnt going to be a N2? - http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/google-says-no-nexus-two-nexus-one-is-last-of-the-line
Neowin has just learned from an inside source close to Google that they are hard at work on the successor of the Nexus One, dubbed the Nexus Two.
Although not too much information has been revealed about the Nexus Two, but the tipster has revealed Google is going to release it within the next month. With other rumors of Android 3.0 in the wild, running on what looks to be the Nexus One, which could actually be the first image of the Nexus Two, shows the device running a new firmware with a piece of paper covering the top of the phone.
Nexus One may not have sold a lot of units, around 135,000 units in the first three months, and was even dropped by Sprint due to poor sales and because its bigger competition, the HTC EVO 4G, was about to debut for release.
Google stopped shipping the Nexus One earlier this month, closing its online store so consumers couldn't purchase the phone directly from the company themselves.
According to our source, the Nexus Two is set to release next month, but no pricing, date or technical specs were released, but Google is secretly working on the Nexus Two. One thing is for sure, Google will need to make this release a good one if they want to compete with Apple's iPhone 4, Microsoft's Windows Phone 7, and the HTC EVO 4G.
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http://www.neowin.net/news/google-might-release-nexus-two-next-month
will be interesting to see if this is true?
this is all very confusing but also kind of f*****g sweet
I don't believe it...
I hope it's a tablet, 8" screen Media drive slot, USB port etc...
I am getting it if it is true but too bad it probably won't happen
According to CNET's Buzz Out Loud, Google announced it will not be producing any more devices. It's verified here:
http://technorati.com/technology/article/google-ceo-no-nexus-two-coming/
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LoL! 3.0 isn't even due 'til December! Those guys just saw the picture of a N1 with 3.0 and decided to make up a story.
Sounds like a great story...hopefully it will have a happy ending.
Probably stupidly referring to the G2 slide or whatever its called.
No screen/processor/OS upgrade worth making a Nexus Two right now in any case.
It's probably a tweaked nexus one to be sold as ADP3
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Probably stupidly referring to the G2 slide or whatever its called.
No screen/processor/OS upgrade worth making a Nexus Two right now in any case.
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dont be so quick to discard technology that may not be known to the public, who would have thought of a 1ghz snapdragon before the nexus?
Blueman101 said:
dont be so quick to discard technology that may not be known to the public, who would have thought of a 1ghz snapdragon before the nexus?
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The same company that made the HD2?
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The same company that made the HD2?
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And the company that made Toshiba TG01.
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I don't believe it...
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I don't either...But if Schmidt said the N1's purpose was to push the hardware platform, and now everyone is pretty much caught up? I wouldn't put it past Google to want to push it again.
Come on G, show 'em how it's done...Again!
There is no point in pushing it again, not now, and not in any near future. The current top Android devices sport the best HW available.
Looking for page hits, that's what this article is...
This information does not surprise me at all with the exception of Google making another Nexus. About 3.0 i am not surprised at all and I expect leaks to start happening in august.. screens and images of phones that might carry the new Software version. Considering Google plans to debut this update around OCT then at the very latest we should have seen quite a bit by SEPT..
This is one of the rumors that everybody could write.
Obviously, bull****.
There won't be a N2. Since N1 kicked off android development so successfully, if google is working on some hardware, it'll be a tablet or something similar. Something to expand android to other devices.
What if T-Mobile's HTC Emerald IS the NEXUS TWO?
Does anyone thing this is the route that Google will takes? I mean, people complain about the build quality of the Nexus S being all plastic but, I mean it makes sense. Maybe google was like "We dont want to make a Nexus Two, lets make a Nexus with a different theme, different company" hence why the picked Samsung. Or maybe they just wanted something that would be cheap to mass produce and easy to sell. It would be cool to see a Nexus X a year from now, using the same build material as the Droid X, you know, that soft rubber paint stuff they use on their phones along with some physical buttons, I'm just saying, maybe Google is pimping out their Nexus to whoever can cough up enough dough.. just sayin' lol.
I would hope the nexus line is reserved for the best there is to offer on the market. When the n1 came out it had top tier stuff like the 1ghz snapdragon processor in it. Fast forward to the ns and you have the hummingbird processor and the samoled screen. Personally it doesn't get better than that at this point. The way I see it is I don't care who makes the phone as long as it has the top notch hardware available to go along with those immediate Google updates.
I'm a nexus s and I approve this message
fosdos4790 said:
The way I see it is I don't care who makes the phone as long as it has the top notch hardware available to go along with those immediate Google updates.
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I keep wondering about that, since the Nexus One update isn't so immediate, are the Nexus S updates NOT going to be immediate in the same way, when the Nexus (next) will be released? That would suck if Google did it again.
patrixl said:
I keep wondering about that, since the Nexus One update isn't so immediate, are the Nexus S updates NOT going to be immediate in the same way, when the Nexus (next) will be released? That would suck if Google did it again.
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This update-delay for a Nexus (in this case the Nexus One) will just be once: at the time another Nexus is released. After then, they will get the updates at the same time (more or less). Why do I think this? The Nexus S isn't even released yet in a lot of countries, and since it is the 'first device with Gingerbread', it would be strange if the Nexus One had Gingerbread 3 months before the Nexus S in most countries. Also, I think they released Gingerbread on the Nexus S, before it was ready for other devices. I hope I can explain this to you with my bad english: If you buy a Nexus the day it comes out, you don't get the latest software; you get the software before it is even out. The updates that will be released after that, will come to your Nexus at the time it is released, not before.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say
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This update-delay for a Nexus (in this case the Nexus One) will just be once: at the time another Nexus is released. After then, they will get the updates at the same time (more or less). Why do I think this? The Nexus S isn't even released yet in a lot of countries, and since it is the 'first device with Gingerbread', it would be strange if the Nexus One had Gingerbread 3 months before the Nexus S in most countries. Also, I think they released Gingerbread on the Nexus S, before it was ready for other devices. I hope I can explain this to you with my bad english: If you buy a Nexus the day it comes out, you don't get the latest software; you get the software before it is even out. The updates that will be released after that, will come to your Nexus at the time it is released, not before.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say
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I do. And I think it makes perfect sense
It was pretty clear to me that using "S" (presumably for Samsung) instead of "2" meant that Google was leaving the door open for other "Nexus" phones from other companies. I was more along the lines of a Nexus "M" (Motorola), etc, but the S could be for S as in Galaxy "S", in which case your "X" and others make more sense.
The question becomes what would the next Nexus phone from Samsung be, the Nexus S2...?
I think that Nexus will just mean it's a Google sanctioned phone, that runs pure Google Android (no add-ons like Motoblur or TouchWiz or Sense), and is sold UNLOCKED. Note that I did not say they will be a "developer" phone...
Thinking of a "Nexus A" ;-)
Some_One_Else said:
Thinking of a "Nexus A" ;-)
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ROFL!
You might just burn in hell for that one...
I think the next Nexus wont be a phone, it will be a tablet. It makes sense: Google is focusing on tablets now, with 3.0 and all. What I think that they will release another Nexus phone in 2 years, and next year there will be a Nexus Tab or something.
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I think the next Nexus wont be a phone, it will be a tablet. It makes sense: Google is focusing on tablets now, with 3.0 and all. What I think that they will release another Nexus phone in 2 years, and next year there will be a Nexus Tab or something.
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I think that would piss a lot of people off especially the guys on here that switch devices once every year. I can see them releasing a "nexus tab" but not without a new nexus phone to go along with it. But who knows, I'd say nobody on here ever thought they'd go with Samsung to make the next generation nexus. It wouldn't surprise me if they released a top secret tab with dual core when honeycomb is released. Anythings possible that's for sure lol.
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fosdos4790 said:
But who knows, I'd say nobody on here ever thought they'd go with Samsung to make the next generation nexus.
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I dunno about "nobody", I never thought they "wouldn't" either, but frankly I didn't think about it all. When Google said "no Nexus 2" I took them at face value and figured no Nexus from any manufacturer.
If the rumors pan out, I would personally love to see a "Nexus N" from Nokia (maintaining the N moniker from the Nseries devices). Having Nokia's top notch hardware and incredible camera optics coupled with Android would perhaps be the perfect device.
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I think that would piss a lot of people off especially the guys on here that switch devices once every year. I can see them releasing a "nexus tab" but not without a new nexus phone to go along with it. But who knows, I'd say nobody on here ever thought they'd go with Samsung to make the next generation nexus. It wouldn't surprise me if they released a top secret tab with dual core when honeycomb is released. Anythings possible that's for sure lol.
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Nobody? I was drooling in excitement at the idea of a Samsung / Google developed Galaxy S / Nexus One combo.
Anderdroid said:
Nobody? I was drooling in excitement at the idea of a Samsung / Google developed Galaxy S / Nexus One combo.
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Some people are just anti-Samsung and have blinders on about them. They certainly have software update issues, but in my opinion the SAMOLED screens can't be beat by any other display out there, and the rest of the hardware on the SGS series of phones, except for the plastic case, is as good as or better than anything else available.
I also was very excited at an improved i9000-like phone with Google's blessing. If only I'd remembered how much I hate T-Mobile's service in Los Angeles...I'd have probably passed on the Nexus S.
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Nobody? I was drooling in excitement at the idea of a Samsung / Google developed Galaxy S / Nexus One combo.
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ok so maybe a little over exaggeration on my part but my point was who knows who itl be or if theyl change makers or even if theyl build a new one at all. this phone is the best available, it wasnt a knock at samsung in the least, i had a captivate before the ns and loved it.
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ROFL!
You might just burn in hell for that one...
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Some_One_Else said:
Thinking of a "Nexus A" ;-)
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LOL
wouldn't that be a "Nexus i" ?
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LOL
wouldn't that be a "Nexus i" ?
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The iNexus - This changes everything. To a different OS.
distortedloop said:
Some people are just anti-Samsung and have blinders on about them. They certainly have software update issues, but in my opinion the SAMOLED screens can't be beat by any other display out there, and the rest of the hardware on the SGS series of phones, except for the plastic case, is as good as or better than anything else available.
I also was very excited at an improved i9000-like phone with Google's blessing. If only I'd remembered how much I hate T-Mobile's service in Los Angeles...I'd have probably passed on the Nexus S.
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I defended Samsung for a long time, but I've had enough problems with Samsung to prefer never to buy their stuff again if I don't have to. Both me and my girlfriend are on our 3rd Nexus S's since launch and neither of us are crazy about the build materials. The cheap piano black plastic they use has been consistent with all of their phones I've used since the i8910 and what's said about delayed software updates is true across the board. It took forever to get updates for the i8910 and everyone knows about the Galaxy S updates. If it weren't for the SAMOLED and Google handling the updates, I wouldn't have bothered with the Nexus S at all.
Androyed said:
I think the next Nexus wont be a phone, it will be a tablet. It makes sense: Google is focusing on tablets now, with 3.0 and all. What I think that they will release another Nexus phone in 2 years, and next year there will be a Nexus Tab or something.
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The motorola xoom is essentially the nexus tablet. Software made by google, it's the first to be released with it (honeycomb), and it's the reference device the software has been made on. Considering history dictates the device running the newest software is an official google device, I'll be getting the xoom.
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I defended Samsung for a long time, but I've had enough problems with Samsung to prefer never to buy their stuff again if I don't have to. Both me and my girlfriend are on our 3rd Nexus S's since launch and neither of us are crazy about the build materials. The cheap piano black plastic they use has been consistent with all of their phones I've used since the i8910 and what's said about delayed software updates is true across the board. It took forever to get updates for the i8910 and everyone knows about the Galaxy S updates. If it weren't for the SAMOLED and Google handling the updates, I wouldn't have bothered with the Nexus S at all.
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I have used cheap plastic phones before and nexus s certainly is not cheap - far from it. It feels as good as plastic can feel, I have never held a better plastic based phone. I don't understand peoples complaints with it. The only bad thing is it's a finger print magnet. But I use a case with all my phones so it's no biggy.
Hi there
We all must be hearing a lot of rumors about the end of Nexus Line by Google and Launch of Silver in upcoming year, by 2015 according to sources!
Well, according to my knowledge, the Nexus was introduced to increase the number of phones/tablets running Android in fast growing market which was dominated by Ipad/Iphone. As Google earns its 97% of profit due to advertisements, it was inevitable that if Google can increase the number of devices used, it would certainly mean more profit due to coaxing more users to its services and advertisement. This meant that although Google made some profit on Nexus devices but its main aim was to increase the android devices using Google Services like Youtube, Gmail, Google+.
Also, it was a way to provide "pure android experience" to the users free from all freezing which was mostly due to customization of android by different manufacturers.
Devices in the Nexus line do not have manufacturer or wireless carrier modifications to Android (such as custom graphical user interfaces), and have an unlockable bootloader to allow further development and end-user modification.Nexus devices are the first Android devices to receive updates to the operating system and recommended by the Android Open Source Project for Android software development.
PROJECT SILVER
Silver line basically is a way to control Samsung influence by Google. The concept is that if a device fulfills certain hardware and software criterias, they would be labelled as SILVER. The Google would ensure that these devices are first to be updated as Google would itself provide the expertise required in development of the android software. Not just that, Google would also give some subsidies which would ensure that if a developer wants a device to be silver, it would be earning more profit than a non silver device. The silver devices would also be kept in special cases in shops to attract more customers. It would also mean that any manufacturer around the world can take part in Silver project and the domination of Samsung, Sony, LG, HTC, Motorola and other big manufacturers would be directly challenged by Google.
This means we would be seeing phones which would be top-notch from small manufactures like MI (XIAOMI), OPPO.
In this regard, Google would also ensure that its services are kept while custom services provided by the manufacturer are kept to minimum!
Now the Google already has a big share in the market by Android's influence and thus it can still earn its profits by advertisement which is about 97%. Thus it does not need to put more nexus devices out there as it is directly challenged by Samsung. Now the competition has begun within Android itself which was with other OS before. The introduction of TIZEN by Samsung is a direct challenge to Android. Tizen's biggest strength in my opinion is that if you programme an app in tizen, you can use the same app in IOS , android and other platforms by just changing very little code!
The only thing I am not sure about is the price of Silver Devices. I am sure there would a tough competition but would that mean we would get the devices as cheap as Nexus line. We can not be sure as it could happen. Suppose the latest Oppo phone is labelled as silver and is selling for 300$, other manufacturers would be forced to keep their price down as nothing separates two Silver devices but we can not be sure as i mentioned before!
WHY I PREFER A NEXUS
I prefer Nexus devices over all others, not due to their development friendly nature but also they provide quick updates, top notch specifications at a very reasonable price.
Plus, Nexus devices are certain to get all CUSTOM ROMS and development is very quick compared to many other devices!
They also keep manufacturers to keep their price in check and they give you a pure android experience which I am not sure Project Silver can promise.
I just hope the Nexus line is always kept by Google. If they can keep on releasing one phone (4.7 inch) and two tablets ( 8 and 10) every year at least with their Silver Project and see if more consumers prefer Silver or Nexus and leave the choice to the consumers!
What do you prefer and give your reasons why you think it would be a good thing or a bad thing if Google gives up Nexus and starts Silver Project?
Update: Nexus is going to stay!! Hip Hip Hooray!
http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-...ay-but-Android-Silver-is-in-the-works_id57593
If affordability isn't hit I find no problem with silver program. But I don't think it wouldn't.
At least we will have motorola.
I don't know what others think but Nexus, Samsung and Apple is ending for me, Mipad (Xiaomi) is winning my heart.
This is good since the Nexus line isn't priced fairly world wide. A 16GB Nexus 5 cost like 550 USD in my country (Indonesia) and there's no 32GB version avaliable.
However, the Silver Line shouldn't just apply to high end phones, it should apply to all Android device if this project is to be fair.
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maidangisme said:
I don't know what others think but Nexus, Samsung and Apple is ending for me, Mipad (Xiaomi) is winning my heart.
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All MI products is taking my breath away with its awesome UI, price and hardware !
For now I'm not sure. Not all details about the silver platform are known. I wouldn't have a problem with GPE like devices sold as the Silver line. The downfall will come with the, probably, increased prices of the Silver devices. At least that would be a huge let down for me.
Hopefully companies as Xiaomi, OnePlus, Oppo and Motorola can fill the gap for high performance devices with a attractive price tag.
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Hopefully companies as Xiaomi, OnePlus, Oppo and Motorola can fill the gap for high performance devices with a attractive price tag.
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Xiaomi already did : Phone -MI2 and MI3, up coming Mipad.
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AnyRom said:
Xiaomi already did : Phone -MI2 and MI3, up coming Mipad.
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True, but if the devices are not in stock... hopefully they can find a way to keep up with the demand.
The Mi3 64GB is only recently in stock if I'm correct, only the 16GB version was sold it small batches.
My problem with this silver program is that price will surely not be nexus levels and I doubt these silver edition phones will have the freedom that nexuses have. Just like Dev editions.... most of which still have restrictions you don't see on a nexus. Example, flashing any bootloader you want, no matter what version.
So I'm not very excited about this potential new direction.
Also, it will split up the current nexus community over multiple devices.
I see silver as mostly good and I am hoping this could put pressure on OEMS to update their phones in a truly timely manner. If this happens I would jump right back on the note bandwagon. I mostly curse touchwiz but they did integrate TW very nicely with the note series...I miss my spen
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I doubt the line will change much, likely just a branding change to help morons who think the Droid phone is the benchmark android phone.
Some kind of new standards are needed because of new device types. Nexus was fine for Android, but now there are Chromecast, Thermostats, and who knows what is next. I think something new like Silver does not necessarily mean dropping Nexus style devices.
So far I'm pretty pleased with Google sponsored devices, both Nexus and Play Edition. I am interested in a tablet larger than Nexus 7 (2013) and I think a new Nexus-or-Play Edition phone on Verizon is needed too.
But, wait and see.:good:
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Some kind of new standards are needed because of new device types. Nexus was fine for Android, but now there are Chromecast, Thermostats, and who knows what is next. I think something new like Silver does not necessarily mean dropping Nexus style devices.
So far I'm pretty pleased with Google sponsored devices, both Nexus and Play Edition. I am interested in a tablet larger than Nexus 7 (2013) and I think a new Nexus-or-Play Edition phone on Verizon is needed too.
But, wait and see.:good:
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Well for most of us in Europe/ US , we usually take up contracts ! Like I can get an S5 with 2 year contract with free phone/calls/texts/Data for about £45 a month! Usually this is not a case for many others around the world, they have to pay in FULL which makes Nexus price more attractive than Play Editions!
Moreover, the price difference between Nexus and Play Edition is about 150-250 dollars which is a lot . . .
I want new a 10" tablet. Whether it's the silver program or final nexus tablet before silver program
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Duffmantp said:
I want new a 10" tablet. Whether it's the silver program or final nexus tablet before silver program
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We might get one. It is rumoured in upcoming Google I/O 2014
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/You-...-showing-the-Nexus-10-not-the-Nexus-8_id56512
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phonearena edited the post and dismissed a new nexus 10.
Hnk1 said:
We might get one. It is rumoured in upcoming Google I/O 2014
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/You-...-showing-the-Nexus-10-not-the-Nexus-8_id56512
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They were talking about the old nexus 10 in the photo, not a new one.
madbat99 said:
They were talking about the old nexus 10 in the photo, not a new one.
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Cheers for the correction, there were so many rumours involving a Google nexus 8 and 10 that I'm still confused
I'm still hoping for a nexus 8. My niece would love my n7 2013 and a n8 would be the perfect excuse for me to pass it to her and get one.
ultramancool said:
I doubt the line will change much, likely just a branding change to help morons who think the Droid phone is the benchmark android phone.
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same :/
Maybe not a very exciting answer, but where tech is concerned (and all the rumours that precede any new product) I am a "I'll wait and see" kind of guy. Also, I see no real reason to rush out and buy the latest and greatest all the time what I have is serving its purpose
No, it's not the "flagship hardware" argument.
It's about the fact that the Google decided to stop competing with it's own supporters: Samsung, LG, Sony, Motorola, etc. I can bet the hardware makers were beginning to be quite pissed off because of the Nexus bargain prices, and complained loudly. Yes, the Nexus was a great way to show the hardware makers and developers a direction for the Android hardware and - more important - for the Android software, but enough is enough, Google doesn't really need the hardware business so putting more pressure on its own allies is the last thing it needed to do. So the Nexus will remain that direction, with the difference that it will not unnecessarily compete with its partners.
Samsung already posted declining sales. The last thing the hardware makers need now is more competition.
A similar story happened with Microsoft and it's hardware partners. The Surface and Surface Pro tablets are priced quite high in order to avoid competing but they are still able to show the hardware partners a direction in which it wants things to evolve.
So there you have it. This is the real reason Google decided to price the Nexus 6 so high.
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No, it's not the "flagship hardware" argument.
It's about the fact that the Google decided to stop competing with it's own supporters: Samsung, LG, Sony, Motorola, etc. I can bet the hardware makers were beginning to be quite pissed off because of the Nexus bargain prices, and complained loudly. Yes, the Nexus was a great way to show the hardware makers and developers a direction for the Android hardware, but enough is enough, Google doesn't really need the hardware business so putting more pressure on its own allies is the last thing it needed to do.
Samsung already posted declining sales. The last thing the hardware makers need now is more competition.
A similar story happened with Microsoft and it's hardware partners. The Surface and Surface Pro tablets are priced quite high in order to avoid competing but they are still able to show the hardware partners a direction in which it wants things to evolve.
So there you have it. This is the real reason Google decided to price the Nexus 6 so high.
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Was disappointed by the price, but this makes sense, well ill have to go and get another phone, possibly, Nexus 5 or OPO
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No, it's not the "flagship hardware" argument.
It's about the fact that the Google decided to stop competing with it's own supporters: Samsung, LG, Sony, Motorola, etc. I can bet the hardware makers were beginning to be quite pissed off because of the Nexus bargain prices, and complained loudly. Yes, the Nexus was a great way to show the hardware makers and developers a direction for the Android hardware, but enough is enough, Google doesn't really need the hardware business so putting more pressure on its own allies is the last thing it needed to do.
Samsung already posted declining sales. The last thing the hardware makers need now is more competition.
A similar story happened with Microsoft and it's hardware partners. The Surface and Surface Pro tablets are priced quite high in order to avoid competing but they are still able to show the hardware partners a direction in which it wants things to evolve.
So there you have it. This is the real reason Google decided to price the Nexus 6 so high.
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Don't buy that argument. Why would google even go through the trouble of making a Nexus device then? Nexus phones certainly weren't cutting into the sales of the Galaxy line. It's a niche market. If google wanted to play nice with hardware manufacturers they would just continue to release Google Play Edition versions of existing devices rather than create their own device.
They probably thought well Apple can sell plenty of iPhones at a hefty markup then we will have a slice of that action.
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Don't buy that argument. Why would google even go through the trouble of making a Nexus device then?
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To give the hardware makers and to "the world" a direction, a benchmark on how an Android device should look and function, a direction in which the Android ecosystem is evolving.
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To give the hardware makers and to "the world" a direction, a benchmark on how an Android device should look and function, a direction in which the Android ecosystem is evolving.
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But on the same token, this device is an enlarged Moto X. Where is google's influence on this device other than a larger foot print?
anees167 said:
Was disappointed by the price, but this makes sense, well ill have to go and get another phone, possibly, Nexus 5 or OPO
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I agree. So today, I chose the N5 over the OPO because of wireless charging and I want android L asap
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But on the same token, this device is an enlarged Moto X. Where is google's influence on this device other than a larger foot print?
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The most important is in the software and how updates are delivered.
The fact that the Nexus 6 is similar to the Moto X (the designs converge) means that Google almost reached its goal of showing the hardware makers how it wants and Android device to look and function.
Remember how the Nexus One seemed like a huge step up compared to all the other Android devices ? Then how a new Nexus (don't remember which - maybe Nexus 4) introduced the software keys instead of the hardware/capacitive permanent keys ? Google steered the hardware into the direction it wanted, over time. Now we are at a point in which the hardware makers know how to properly build Android devices.
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Don't buy that argument. Why would google even go through the trouble of making a Nexus device then? Nexus phones certainly weren't cutting into the sales of the Galaxy line. It's a niche market. If google wanted to play nice with hardware manufacturers they would just continue to release Google Play Edition versions of existing devices rather than create their own device.
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I don't buy this argument either. If anything, Google, according to most reports, is actively trying to wrestle even more control as it seeks to increase competition from other vendors, such as Samsung, which has all but lobotomized Android. With this device, even the price point suggests that a Google device can step out of the niche market and go toe to toe with the heavyweights. Google wants to show it can marry the best hardware with the best form of its newly revamped OS. And, this price point only exudes Google's confidence in this direction.
kevinlevrone said:
The most important is in the software and how updates are delivered.
The fact that the Nexus 6 is similar to the Moto X (the designs converge) means that Google almost reached its goal of showing the hardware makers how it wants and Android device to look and function.
Remember how the Nexus One seemed like a huge step up compared to all the other Android devices ? Then how a new Nexus (don't remember which - maybe Nexus 4) introduced the software keys instead of the hardware/capacitive permanent keys ? Google steered the hardware into the direction it wanted, over time. Now we are at a point in which the hardware makers know how to properly build Android devices.
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I don't doubt that hardware makers have grown to shape their devices to google's goal. But at this point, why would google want to showcase a device that theoretically has been designed in 2013 (original moto x). They're is no device innovation this time. There really hasn't been for years, and that's been accompanied by affordable devices.
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I don't doubt that hardware makers have grown to shape their devices to google's goal. But at this point, why would google want to showcase a device that theoretically has been designed in 2013 (original moto x). They're is no device innovation this time. There really hasn't been for years, and that's been accompanied by affordable devices.
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Did you see any innovation in the new iPhones, other than the larger screens, faster processors and better OS ? Same with Nexus - larger screen, faster processor and better OS. The perceived lack of real hardware innovation it's not Google's fault, it's just that this is the state of technology today.
kevinlevrone said:
Did you see any innovation in the new iPhones, other than the larger screens, faster processors and better OS ? Same with Nexus - larger screen, faster processor and better OS. The perceived lack of real hardware innovation it's not Google's fault, it's just that this is the state of technology today.
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The iphone hasn't innovated anything in years. Their sell is an easy device to use with a super loyal following, and extremely consistent pricing. The price of a new Iphone hasn't changed in many years.
If that's the direction the nexus line wants to go, then good luck! But Nexus doesn't have that large loyal following, and with prices going up and down it's going to make people look at other options.
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If that's the direction the nexus line wants to go, then good luck! But Nexus doesn't have that large loyal following, and with prices going up and down it's going to make people look at other options.
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I think that Google doesn't want (anymore) that many people to buy its Nexus devices - especially phablets which are Samsung's most profitable devices and would really hurt it if Nexus was sold at bargain prices - what Google wants is that those Nexus devices to exist as a reference.
It may be that Samsung had a lot of saying in how Google positioned the Nexus 6. Google needs Samsung, badly. And Samsung released many of its wearables with the Tizen operating system instead of Android Wear. It may be that Google did Samsung a favor in order to ensure that it doesn't lose the wearables war in the future and get Samsung in the Android Wear boat.
Its expensive now not because they were not competing. the nexus line didn't make a dent in anybody's pocket except google's
Fact remains is nexus 5 sales numbers were never released, most likely because they were so poor compared to flagship devices.
Google wanted a way to compete with samsung/apple and now they have found it: contract with more carriers, set it at a price point where other people not familiar with the nexus line would consider it a flagship device, etc.
i can understand, from a business standpoint the nexus 5 didn't make sense and it was time to compete with the big players.
Though i'm sad and will not be buying one. The point of a nexus for me was both the price and no contract needed.. now they got rid of that and at this point i'd rather get something tried and tested like a galaxy note especially if im going to be forced into a contract to get an affordable price for it.
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I think that Google doesn't want (anymore) that many people to buy its Nexus devices - especially phablets which are Samsung's most profitable devices and would really hurt it if Nexus was sold at bargain prices - what Google wants is that those Nexus devices to exist as a reference.
It may be that Samsung had a lot of saying in how Google positioned the Nexus 6. Google needs Samsung, badly. And Samsung released many of its wearables with the Tizen operating system instead of Android Wear. It may be that Google did Samsung a favor in order to ensure that it doesn't lose the wearables war in the future and get Samsung in the Android Wear boat.
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Which is why I feel if that's the direction they really wanted to go, just doing GPE on existing devices where manufacturers are aware and optimize their devices with googles input would make more sense. That way the manufacturer gets to sell the device at full cost, featuring stock android.
floepie said:
I don't buy this argument either. If anything, Google, according to most reports, is actively trying to wrestle even more control as it seeks to increase competition from other vendors, such as Samsung, which has all but lobotomized Android. With this device, even the price point suggests that a Google device can step out of the niche market and go toe to toe with the heavyweights. Google wants to show it can marry the best hardware with the best form of its newly revamped OS. And, this price point only exudes Google's confidence in this direction.
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I believe you nailed it. Its as good as anything top notch out there, and cheaper. Had it been a $450 phone, people would have complained it could have been more.
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So to prevent competition they sell it for a price not many are willing to pay. And to top it off, make it gigantic for even more clout.
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So to prevent competition they sell it for a price not many are willing to pay. And to top it off, make it gigantic for even more clout.
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No, to *help* competition among its partners. Google is not in the hardware business, they don't care if it sells or not. It only cares for the Nexus line to exist and show the world how Android should be.
An alternative take.
Motorola are hurting for cash. Google bought them, did nothing with them and then sold them to Lenovo, but not before taking all the good IP with them. Lenovo added a stipulation that they make the next Nexus device and get to price it, making more profit. Motorola are the only ones to name the price so far, not Google.
That's my take, it's pure stipulation, but that's my opinion.
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An alternative take.
Motorola are hurting for cash. Google bought them, did nothing with them and then sold them to Lenovo, but not before taking all the good IP with them. Lenovo added a stipulation that they make the next Nexus device and get to price it, making more profit. Motorola are the only ones to name the price so far, not Google.
That's my take, it's pure stipulation, but that's my opinion.
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Interesting and I find it possible. Motorola doesn't have a non-Nexus phablet yet, so the Nexus could be their own entry into the phablet market. The fact that it will be sold through carriers with subsidy, etc. just like a regular phone also adds to this possibility.
However, would Google abandon their Nexus strategy with this one-time deal/screw-up ? Not sure. And I'm also not sure that the Nexus line sold so well as to be a desired deal by Motorola. The Nexus line was positioned in a certain way, you can't easily switch this positioning and expect huge success (Google doesn't care about sales but Motorola does).
However I believe Google (or Motorola, or both) will learn its lesson from this. People expect lower prices from Nexus devices. If they launched a similar phablet but non-Nexus branded, no one would have complained about the price. But calling it a Nexus will surely make many people hate Google for it.