Now I am a very avid linux user (used the terminal a time or two) and I bought an acer a500 yesterday. This is my first android device and the first 2 things I did were update it and root it with iconia-root1.3 (gingerbreak didn't work). Now I have 3.1 and the root checker says that I have root. And the busybox installer says I have busybox installed.
Now this is where I get lost...
The root checker says I have root but not /system/bin/su or /sbin/su. Why would I have root if I don't have the application to switch users? Also it has su in /system/xbin but it won't let me move anything to /system/bin (which I assumed I could do as root??). So is root checker giving a false positive or what? and why can't I move any files above the directory /mnt (I'm using astro)? Do I have to selectively give certain apps root or what?
Also I need someone to explain this to me. Why do we need to root it if all of the applications are already in the android marketplace? Do they allow applications to be uploaded to the marketplace that won't work on non-rooted devices?? That seems like there would be a separate marketplace for rooted-only apps like cydia on iOS.
A quick reply: 'Root' allows you to have read/write access on /system/ . After root, you can add/remove any apps in /system/app, also, after root, you can flash CWM, you can then flash custom rom and kernel ... bla bla bla ~
Root is somehow different from 'jailbreak' in iOS. I think you could find more information on google. Cheers.
ardatdat said:
A quick reply: 'Root' allows you to have read/write access on /system/ . After root, you can add/remove any apps in /system/app, also, after root, you can flash CWM, you can then flash custom rom and kernel ... bla bla bla ~
Root is somehow different from 'jailbreak' in iOS. I think you could find more information on google. Cheers.
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Root doesn't give you superuser(root user) access? I had always assumed that was the case, which means you can do any damn thing you please. Obviously you can't write to ro filesystems, but you could always remount them.
snowman4839 said:
Now this is where I get lost...
The root checker says I have root but not /system/bin/su or /sbin/su. Why would I have root if I don't have the application to switch users? Also it has su in /system/xbin but it won't let me move anything to /system/bin (which I assumed I could do as root??). So is root checker giving a false positive or what? and why can't I move any files above the directory /mnt (I'm using astro)? Do I have to selectively give certain apps root or what?
Also I need someone to explain this to me. Why do we need to root it if all of the applications are already in the android marketplace? Do they allow applications to be uploaded to the marketplace that won't work on non-rooted devices?? That seems like there would be a separate marketplace for rooted-only apps like cydia on iOS.
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1.) The root app is in /system/app/ and the binary is in /system/xbin/ so you do have root.
2.) You won't be able to just write to any of those folders. You either have to remount them to be writable and use adb or use an app like root explorer that lets you remount on the fly and edit the files.
The same answer goes for the question why can't you move files to anything above /mnt. And yes to the second question. You'll have to set root permissions selectively.
Root doesn't have any effect on the marketplace or the apps you can download. This is not an iDevice.
Some apps need root to work (usually the ones that change system files) and that's why you have to have root. It's not necessary unless you either change system files or use an app that requires it (screen-shot apps, adfree,some file managers, reboot apps,...).
It's early so apologies for any mistakes I made. I hope that it's a little clearer now.
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I'm doing research on android security, and i realised i can use adb to pull files from /data/data. These files includes SMS databases and sharedpref.
Now I have root on my n1, so I'm wondering if this is possible because of root?
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I'm not sure about that specific directory but I do know there are certain system folders/files that can only be modified with root access. Certain apps like Titanium backup use root access to pull apks from root only folders, without root they simply can't function.
It's only possible because of root access. Without root you can't get to the sensitive info like that.
Yep, both /data and /data/data have permissions set to drwxrwx--x, meaning root has read/write/execute permissions, the system group has it too and regular users only have execute permissions.
Thanks all, for your input. Much appreciated!
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fubaya said:
Yep, both /data and /data/data have permissions set to drwxrwx--x, meaning root has read/write/execute permissions, the system group has it too and regular users only have execute permissions.
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To be more accurate, the "drwxrwx--x" (or 771) permission indicates the OWNER's permissions, then the GROUP permissions, and then EVERYONE. root will have the same permissions as the owner.
For clarification...
An app has to request root permissions to run as root, you cannot just give it the permissions? Is there a setuid? The "/system" filesystem is ext3 on this phone. "ext3" supports setuid & setgid, are these supported by Android?
In other words, is there any way to give a non-root app root permissions?
nodots said:
For clarification...
An app has to request root permissions to run as root, you cannot just give it the permissions? Is there a setuid? The "/system" filesystem is ext3 on this phone. "ext3" supports setuid & setgid, are these supported by Android?
In other words, is there any way to give a non-root app root permissions?
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have you "rooted" your bravo using super one click etc?
the su built for rooted android phones has a hook to the superuser.apk so that any app requesting root must be approved by the user. You can set the app to a whitelisted app so it always gets root permissions, so that is what i recommend. this is a much important security feature and i highly recommend you dont circumvent it. that being said, there is a su out there that doesnt require approval and just gives approval so you can find it on xda if you want it but really its not a good idea or recommended
I have a related question: How do pre-installed apps on unrooted phones get root permission? I would expect that there are some that do, although I cannot give any examples.
Hello
Firstly sorry for my english
I'll tried to explain my problem
I successfull to root my device but only the main user account but I can't obtain access root in others account.
How can I do this ?
Thanks
At the moment you can't until Google updates that feature to allow that. The multiuser is in its infancy. We will just have to wait I guess.
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Thanks for your answer
waiting for this ...
It's actually the su binary which is tied to the primary user only at the moment... not sure how, or if, it can be built otherwise!
Furthermore, it is not even possible to enable developer settings (via build no) for second users, right?
So, without USB-Debugging no adb to backup second user apps (w/ data) using the Toolkit..
Is there any chance to fully backup second user apps? Apart from nand of course, as I would like to backup/restore apps for a switch to CM10.
Superuser 3.3 now supports multi-user root... 3 modes... Owner only, Owner controlled & User controlled... I will post an update zip here once I built su & Superuser tonight!
craigacgomez said:
Superuser 3.3 now supports multi-user root... 3 modes... Owner only, Owner controlled & User controlled... I will post an update zip here once I built su & Superuser tonight!
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Wow... That would be truly amazing! Sounds like you are mod'ing the apps yourself, or are they updating to include the feature? I'm pumped at this possibility! Thanks craig!
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djd338 said:
Wow... That would be truly amazing! Sounds like you are mod'ing the apps yourself, or are they updating to include the feature? I'm pumped at this possibility! Thanks craig!
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Nope... not my mod... official updates to Superuser... I've just built it with the new changes!!
Here you go... Superuser-3.3-arm.zip
Notable Changes (from Superuser 3.2):
1. Android 4.2+ multi-user support [3 mode -> Owner only, Owner controlled & User controlled]
2. Better handling of applications with multiple root (su) requests
Flashing using a custom recovery (TWRP or CWM). I recommend wiping data for the Superuser app and re-granting your root apps su access to avoid any problems.
NOTE: Even though Superuser 3.3 supports multiple users, you root apps may not... so there is no guarantee that all root apps will work fine in multi-user mode. For those app, you will need to wait for the app developers to update their apps to support multiple users.
craigacgomez said:
Nope... not my mod... official updates to Superuser... I've just built it with the new changes!!
Here you go... Superuser-3.3-arm.zip
Notable Changes (from Superuser 3.2):
1. Android 4.2+ multi-user support [3 mode -> Owner only, Owner controlled & User controlled]
2. Better handling of applications with multiple root (su) requests
Flashing using a custom recovery (TWRP or CWM). I recommend wiping data for the Superuser app and re-granting your root apps su access to avoid any problems.
NOTE: Even though Superuser 3.3 supports multiple users, you root apps may not... so there is no guarantee that all root apps will work fine in multi-user mode. For those app, you will need to wait for the app developers to update their apps to support multiple users.
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So, could I use this updated su to change ROM control settings for multiple users on aokp?
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jrod091 said:
So, could I use this updated su to change ROM control settings for multiple users on aokp?
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I don't know if RC settings are global or user specific... depends of the settings... if the setting is specific to the user context, it will work, otherwise it won't...
drykc said:
Hello
Firstly sorry for my english
I'll tried to explain my problem
I successfull to root my device but only the main user account but I can't obtain access root in others account.
How can I do this ?
Thanks
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If you are using SuperSu, the dialog asking for root permission shows up on the owner's user account. In SuperSu, only the owner can grant superuser privileges.
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Is Superuser 3.3 good for Nexus7? the file says "arm" - Nexus 7 is not an arm processor...
Vlad7777 said:
Is Superuser 3.3 good for Nexus7? the file says "arm" - Nexus 7 is not an arm processor...
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Should probably ask in the n7 forum...
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Vlad7777 said:
Is Superuser 3.3 good for Nexus7? the file says "arm" - Nexus 7 is not an arm processor...
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The SoC in the Nexus 7 is Tegra 3, which has an ARM processor. You're fine.
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Vlad7777 said:
Is Superuser 3.3 good for Nexus7? the file says "arm" - Nexus 7 is not an arm processor...
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Lol of course n7 has an arm cpu!
For android phones and tablets, there's arm, mips, and x86. Any good android will 98% likely be arm. Motorola released an x86 (Intel) phone, and I'm sure there's a few other ones out there. And if you have mips, you probably got a cheapy Chinese tablet. xP
Swiped from my Nexus 10 using xda-developers app
Sorry for hijacking.
My main reason for root is to restore application data. Will I be able to restore the data on both the primary user and also the secondary user if I have root (either through the main or secondary user)
Did i do something wrong?
I had supersu installt- and need multiuser acsess . So i install Superuser in recovery with the zipfile .
But now no root app will work- with no user.:crying:
notice main user by starting: sorry i cant get root.... this was a try by /system/bin/su .
2 notice by superuser -on screen and in the log: superuser rights of ..app... are denied.
What do i do now ?
Kind regards
gandalf
1234556789 said:
Did i do something wrong?
I had supersu installt- and need multiuser acsess . So i install Superuser in recovery with the zipfile .
But now no root app will work- with no user.:crying:
notice main user by starting: sorry i cant get root.... this was a try by /system/bin/su .
2 notice by superuser -on screen and in the log: superuser rights of ..app... are denied.
What do i do now ?
Kind regards
gandalf
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It sounds like the zips don't play very well together.
Boot into recovery.
Mount /system
Delete /system/app/Superuser.apk
Delete /system/bin/su (if it exists)
Delete /system/xbin/su (if it exists)
Clear the Dalvik cache to err on the safe side.
You should now be unrooted. (In fact you could boot up, and you should see there is no superuser app installed)
Now, just flash the superuser zip again to root your device.
KlipperKyle said:
It sounds like the zips don't play very well together.
Boot into recovery.
Mount /system
Delete /system/app/Superuser.apk
Delete /system/bin/su (if it exists)
Delete /system/xbin/su (if it exists)
Clear the Dalvik cache to err on the safe side.
You should now be unrooted. (In fact you could boot up, and you should see there is no superuser app installed)
Now, just flash the superuser zip again to root your device.
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Thanks for it- but how i delete the files? On backup+restore i only can delete backups. Am i blind?
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edit: Tried a solution with nexus toolkit 4.2 i root once more, install superuser und install theupdate to 3.3.
get root for the main user- rootapps work-
but only the main user had root- i tried the update fixer -....gaining root acsess...fail.
so what is wrong?- had anybody a solution?
Kind regards
gandalf
1234556789 said:
Thanks for it- but how i delete the files? On backup+restore i only can delete backups. Am i blind?
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edit: Tried a solution with nexus toolkit 4.2 i root once more, install superuser und install theupdate to 3.3.
get root for the main user- rootapps work-
but only the main user had root- i tried the update fixer -....gaining root acsess...fail.
so what is wrong?- had anybody a solution?
Kind regards
gandalf
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It sounds like you have Superuser 3.3 installed and working, right? In order to use Superuser 3.3 with another user account, you need to go to its preferences and change Multi-user Mode to something other than "Owner Only."
"Owner only" means that only the owner can su.
"Owner controlled" means that the owner is the only one who can set and deny root permissions. Any filters are applied to all users.
"User controlled" means that each user can define allow/deny filters. Only use this option if you really trust other users.
Don't update to the version of Superuser on the Play Store. The version on the Play Store is 3.1.3. You already have 3.3 flashed on your system partition. Because you won't need the version on the Play Store, you can also stay away from ChainsDD's Superuser Update Fixer. (The update fixer is for an entirely different issue than the one you have.)
If you have installed these packages, you should uninstall them.
For future reference:
I should have been clearer about deleting files in custom recoveries. If you use TWRP, there is a built-in file manager under the Advanced menu. If you use ClockworkMod, you should use ADB commands: (ADB is a tool found in the Android SDK)
Code:
adb shell
cd /system
ls -al
[I](You should see a bunch of directories. If not, make sure /system is mounted.
This is an option in one of the recovery menus; I can't remember which
one offhand.)[/I]
rm app/Superuser.apk
rm bin/su
rm xbin/su
Then reflash the Superuser zip.
Phone: AT&T LG G2
Software Version : D80010q
Status: rooted
I rootedafter the OTA download of D80010q
I have super user permissions according to Root Checker and Terminal Emulator apps.
I am having issues with Root Browser (also same issues with Root Explorer) It never asks for super user permission, as the other apps have done. It also doesn't show up in SuperSU app's log.
I mainly rooted to get rid of the bloatware that comes installed from AT&T. After searching Google, I found the list of apps safe to remove. Root Browser was recommended to remove these. The folder referenced is /system/apps.
Root browser opens, but never asks for SU permissions.
Browse to /system.
There is no /system/apps folder. There is a /system/app folder, but the apps that can be safely removed are not in there.
Any advice?
Sorry for posting this same thing in multiple places.
lostangelintx said:
Phone: AT&T LG G2
Software Version : D80010q
Status: rooted
I rootedafter the OTA download of D80010q
I have super user permissions according to Root Checker and Terminal Emulator apps.
I am having issues with Root Browser (also same issues with Root Explorer) It never asks for super user permission, as the other apps have done. It also doesn't show up in SuperSU app's log.
I mainly rooted to get rid of the bloatware that comes installed from AT&T. After searching Google, I found the list of apps safe to remove. Root Browser was recommended to remove these. The folder referenced is /system/apps.
Root browser opens, but never asks for SU permissions.
Browse to /system.
There is no /system/apps folder. There is a /system/app folder, but the apps that can be safely removed are not in there.
Any advice?
Sorry for posting this same thing in multiple places.
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I don't use root browser, but in root explorer, go to your root tab and tap the button on top that says ro (read only), which will switch it to rw (read/write) then you'll be asked for su access.... That's the big difference amongst file managers in regards to root access. Root browser has the same option, just don't know where it is because I don't use it.
-VZW LG G2 VS980
annoyingduck said:
I don't use root browser, but in root explorer, go to your root tab and tap the button on top that says ro (read only), which will switch it to rw (read/write) then you'll be asked for su access.... That's the big difference amongst file managers in regards to root access. Root browser has the same option, just don't know where it is because I don't use it.
-VZW LG G2 VS980
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That was it. Thanks friend.
I can't delete any system apps with it anymore, does anybody else have the same problem or even a fix for it?
Working fine on 6.01 for me, Did you try uninstalling and reinstalling it?
I just updated to 6.0.1 myself, rooted using superSU 2.61. I too cannot delete system apps using titanium. I tried to uninstalled and reinstall the app (via playstore) but it didn't help.
I also tried to do the same via the root explorer option in ES file explorer and it didn't work. I tried to toggle the root explorer option in ES, but after I turned it off I couldn't turn it on again. Root checker does say that I have root, and other root apps e.g. adaway, xprivacy still work.
Any help and suggestion is most welcome!
case-sensitive said:
I just updated to 6.0.1 myself, rooted using superSU 2.61. I too cannot delete system apps using titanium. I tried to uninstalled and reinstall the app (via playstore) but it didn't help.
I also tried to do the same via the root explorer option in ES file explorer and it didn't work. I tried to toggle the root explorer option in ES, but after I turned it off I couldn't turn it on again. Root checker does say that I have root, and other root apps e.g. adaway, xprivacy still work.
Any help and suggestion is most welcome!
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hey guys, "system less root"
That would modify system... Just freeze the apps.
geoff5093 said:
That would modify system... Just freeze the apps.
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Some people still want to recover the space.
With systemless root you will need to modify the system in TWRP to get titanium and ES working correctly.
It's as simple as going into TWRP and mounting the system R/W.
You then need to open the terminal in the following places:
/system/bin and execute "touch su"
/system/xbin and execute "touch su"
This will create zero byte files for SuperSu to come along and swap/link to on boot so that ES and TiBu can ask for root and get it.
They will then operate as you expect.; with the caveat that you are on your own when you start tinkering and may break something.
tech_head said:
Some people still want to recover the space.
With systemless root you will need to modify the system in TWRP to get titanium and ES working correctly.
It's as simple as going into TWRP and mounting the system R/W.
You then need to open the terminal in the following places:
/system/bin and execute "touch su"
/system/xbin and execute "touch su"
This will create zero byte files for SuperSu to come along and swap/link to on boot so that ES and TiBu can ask for root and get it.
They will then operate as you expect.; with the caveat that you are on your own when you start tinkering and may break something.
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Pretty sure you lose Android Pay with this method though, just FYI if you care about that.
But if you are running Xposed you broke it anyway. There is a way to get it working.
You will need to remove the empty su files you just created to be able to add cards.
You will need to use a Xposed module to hide modifications to the system so that the device check comes back clean.
It's a pain, but if you want Xposed, TiBu, ES and Android Pay, that is the price.
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I usually use this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jumobile.manager.systemapp
I'm not on 6.0.1 at the moment so I can't test if it works. Anyone wanna test it out and report back?
WizeGuyDezignz said:
I usually use this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jumobile.manager.systemapp
I'm not on 6.0.1 at the moment so I can't test if it works. Anyone wanna test it out and report back?
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Doesn't work. Apps restore themselves.