I just did a test on the Thrive screen. It can only sense 4 simultaneous touch while other tablets like the galaxy can do up to 10 touches. So I was wondering if the number of simultaneous touch on the thrive is hardware limited or it is possible to increase the number of touches in future kernal hacks?
Thx
i have up to five multitouch on my thrive, and confirmed into playing fruit ninja and see up to five swipes at a time. And to answer your question, a hack won't change the multitouch capabilities of the device.
thanks for the quick reply.
Now how come you can get 5 touches while I m only getting 4? Are there different hardware variations in production? I hv the 16Gb version. What numbers is everyone else getting?
1mk1 said:
thanks for the quick reply.
Now how come you can get 5 touches while I m only getting 4? Are there different hardware variations in production? I hv the 16Gb version. What numbers is everyone else getting?
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What method were you using for testing?
I used xPiano and also the Multitouch tester from the market. Both apps show only 4 simultaneous touch.
I haven't tried fruit ninja, but I see only four from three different multitouch applications I downloaded from the market.
teh roxxorz said:
i have up to five multitouch on my thrive, and confirmed into playing fruit ninja and see up to five swipes at a time. And to answer your question, a hack won't change the multitouch capabilities of the device.
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This actually isn't always true. Take the Droid Incredible for example. By default, its multitouch is limited to two points. But with a modified kernel you can get up to 10. It all depends on if it's a software or hardware limitation.
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Also receiving only 4 touches, tried this on Fruit Ninja, stock keyboard, Hacker's keyboard and Better Keyboard.
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can the hd2 screen do four point multi touch (uses more than 2 fingers) or it needs another hardware
hoss_n2 said:
can the hd2 screen do four point multi touch (uses more than 2 fingers) or it needs another hardware
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I do remember an app that someone wrote that showed the HD2 could recognize at least 3 different fingers on the screen at once.
hoss_n2 said:
can the hd2 screen do four point multi touch (uses more than 2 fingers) or it needs another hardware
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The hardware is there. There's just no software capable of it yet. I'd be suprised if we don't get full multi-touch recognition apps at some point. (For people that don't understand what that last sentance actually means, please note that when I say full multi-touch I do not mean more than 1. I mean as many as you want.)
johncmolyneux said:
The hardware is there. There's just no software capable of it yet. I'd be suprised if we don't get full multi-touch recognition apps at some point. (For people that don't understand what that last sentance actually means, please note that when I say full multi-touch I do not mean more than 1. I mean as many as you want.)
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aren't there any games that supports full multitouch for windows mobile or we should wait for for the wp7
series
johnk1973 said:
I do remember an app that someone wrote that showed the HD2 could recognize at least 3 different fingers on the screen at once.
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and if you remembered this application please post it here
johncmolyneux said:
The hardware is there. There's just no software capable of it yet. I'd be suprised if we don't get full multi-touch recognition apps at some point. (For people that don't understand what that last sentance actually means, please note that when I say full multi-touch I do not mean more than 1. I mean as many as you want.)
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why then there are posts saying that hd2 did HD2 uses the clearpad 2000 capactive touch screen which only supports 2 point multitouch
Humm im sure playing super mario on morph gear i can run and jump right+2 round keys
colinp said:
Humm im sure playing super mario on morph gear i can run and jump right+2 round keys
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tis true, all my snes games support at least 2 points......
colinp said:
Humm im sure playing super mario on morph gear i can run and jump right+2 round keys
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then you used more than 2 fingers on hd2
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why then there are posts saying that hd2 did HD2 uses the clearpad 2000 capactive touch screen which only supports 2 point multitouch
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Clearpad 2000 are used on Nexus One and Android HTCs. Maybe HD2 uses another brand of touchscreen. I'm not sure though.
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clearpad 2000 are used on nexus one and android htcs. Maybe hd2 uses another brand of touchscreen. I'm not sure though.
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if only we can make a track fingure application to use it and see
any new progress (sorry for bumping but i want answers)
scilor.com/hd2-leo-real-multitouch.html
found this, but i can't get it to actually respond to multiple fingers
You might have to soft reset to get it to work. It won't recognize more than two fingers as documented elsewhere on here or on his site, guess he never got around to doing a lower-level hook.
Or is there a way to upgrade hd2 clearpad 2000 to 3000?
According to the Visual Multitouch Test App from the Android market, I can only use up to two points. I don't know if this is a restriction caused by the Android port, or if the HD2's digitizer/screen can only support two points at once.
I read somewere ( can't remeber where) that ten big games where getting
released for android today, something to do with a big game company or something or other, cant find anything though. anyone??
do you mean gameloft's games?
Well ganmeloft uk maybe, assassin creed for one of them so if that came out today then yer :S just ready somewere was 10 supposly good games
http://www.droidgamers.com/index.php/game-news/android-game-news/295-gamelofts-new-3d-games
here where to get them
http://www.gameloft.co.uk/download-games/android/most-recent/
£5 though, what a rip!
to be fair there arent many games on android to match gameloft standard. having said that i just installed real football and the passing and shooting is hit n miss....pardon the pun. anyone else had a try??
I saw NFS Shift popping in at google i/o, maybe that's what was planned?
Tried to look for it but couldn't find anything... they were demonstrating apps2sd on Froyo and showed a sd transfer for NFS shift, 50Mo worth of racing heaven...
Yer nf shift is due in June, making a big deal about it i think, will be good though
agent.m said:
to be fair there arent many games on android to match gameloft standard. having said that i just installed real football and the passing and shooting is hit n miss....pardon the pun. anyone else had a try??
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It's because the Desire doesn't really have multi touch, just pinch to zoom. Maybe Froyo can relieve this, but apparently it's a limitation of the screen.
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It's because the Desire doesn't really have multi touch, just pinch to zoom. Maybe Froyo can relieve this, but apparently it's a limitation of the screen.
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thought as much. cause shoot/pass work better when you let go of control pad. cheers
i think your referring to the Gameloft games, but they were released on May 10th
Cool, i was expecting more tbh, well cheaper at least.
As far as the multitouch somewhere, with the new 2.2 update i think
i read somewere saying the new keyboard has mutli touch support??
So maybe it is a software issue.
I tried most of these games out and they are very choppy on the Desire. They are not optimized well for the Snapdragon processor. They work well on the Droid though, since the games were ported from the iPhone and both the iPhone and Droid/Milestone share the same Cortex A8 CPU.
I think the new games coming out are actually meant to be used on Android that has the JIT compiler. Would be nice to see some higher end games on Android.
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Phil750123 said:
Cool, i was expecting more tbh, well cheaper at least.
As far as the multitouch somewhere, with the new 2.2 update i think
i read somewere saying the new keyboard has mutli touch support??
So maybe it is a software issue.
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there actually really cheap, i visited their US site, it said $6.99 but when it finally came to buying the game, it went down to $3.00, this applied to all games.
can anyone still download those games for the Desire from the gameloft website? apparently they changed that... or is it just me?
most of the games are only available for the Nexus One, and some only for the Droid/Milestone...
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It's because the Desire doesn't really have multi touch, just pinch to zoom. Maybe Froyo can relieve this, but apparently it's a limitation of the screen.
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The Desire does have "real multi touch", the screen can register more than 1 touch at the same time.
The problem you're talking about is a hardware problem (Froyo won't fix it), which occurs when moving in oppsite directions simultaniously on the screen. Which is hardly used in games I've seen so far.
It is a problem in games which use two "virtual joysticks" in the bottom left and bottom right corner of the screen... like ToonWarzs for example. In that game, moving and aiming at the same time is quite painful on the Desire.
But I think its not a big deal. Few games actually need two directional pads.
And even if they do, the pads could simply be placed in the bottom left and top right corners, instead of both being on the bottom of the screen.
This would avoid the multi touch problem, since it only occurs when your fingers cross each others horizontal or vertical axis.
But Im not sure if developers will get that...
I found that sometime when you touch two points at the same time, the phone doesn't response as expected. The screen only detect one point being pressed. This happens quite often and I am wondering if it is my phone's issue.
You can notice the problem easily when playing "Slice It".
hungyip84 said:
I found that sometime when you touch two points at the same time, the phone doesn't response as expected. The screen only detect one point being pressed. This happens quite often and I am wondering if it is my phone's issue.
You can notice the problem easily when playing "Slice It".
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Multi touch is app dependent, some apps dont support it, open up google maps and pinch to zoom
Multi touch works fine for me. Nothing like the shennaigans of the Nexus One. Downloaded multitouch visulaizer 2 - my touch screen can detect 5 points of touch at once!
Edit - I see what you mean on sliceit. Sometimes if you put down 2 fingers simultaneously, it will lose the track on one of the fingers. All you have to do is lift that finger and put it back down again and it regains track.
hungyip84 said:
I found that sometime when you touch two points at the same time, the phone doesn't response as expected. The screen only detect one point being pressed. This happens quite often and I am wondering if it is my phone's issue.
You can notice the problem easily when playing "Slice It".
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I noticed that with Slice It! too and was messing around investigating it. Also, I think it's the app's issue, since I've never had any other problems with multi-touch anywhere else.
sound like more of a bug with some specific Apps rather than a hardware issue.
as the multitouch test apps works just fine, if it were a hardware problem those test apps should be failing as well.
I don't know if you guys remember, but when the N1 got its first update to enable "multitouch", there was a lot of speculation that it wasn't true multitouch as Apple has it patented. I wonder if they're continuing on that same track or whether Google said screw Apple and dropped it in anyway.
allen099 said:
I don't know if you guys remember, but when the N1 got its first update to enable "multitouch", there was a lot of speculation that it wasn't true multitouch as Apple has it patented. I wonder if they're continuing on that same track or whether Google said screw Apple and dropped it in anyway.
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No. back then they used thinkpad2000 or something like that. forgot the same. wasnt real one " much like what Sony is doing with xperia x10" right now
the nexus s has true multi touch.
On the subject do any of you guys have problems with zoom in your photo galleries. When ever i try to pinch to zoom in for example to someones face it will start to zoom somewhere else. Don't know if its just my phone or everyones.
I tried to do the multi touch test using multi touch visualizer and multi touch tester. In multi touch tester, it only detect one touch point when i touch two points at the same time. In multi touch visualizer, it detect two touch points but the second point has a 1-2 second delay when i do the same test. I did the same test using Droid and galaxy s and they don't have the problem mentioned...any thought?
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Slightly off topic, but in the Gallery app in the Album thumbnail section, you can two-finger press an album and spread your fingers and it'll give you a mini-slide show right there. Very impressive.
hungyip84 said:
I tried to do the multi touch test using multi touch visualizer and multi touch tester. In multi touch tester, it only detect one touch point when i touch two points at the same time. In multi touch visualizer, it detect two touch points but the second point has a 1-2 second delay when i do the same test. I did the same test using Droid and galaxy s and they don't have the problem mentioned...any thought?
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i never heard of a screen that has a multi touch problem as in hardware issue.
but try different nexus S. if its doing the same thing then your phone is fine.
allen099 said:
I don't know if you guys remember, but when the N1 got its first update to enable "multitouch", there was a lot of speculation that it wasn't true multitouch as Apple has it patented. I wonder if they're continuing on that same track or whether Google said screw Apple and dropped it in anyway.
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Apple patented a specific method for implementing multi-touch... part of it is UI, which was only granted in the US, and part was technical... in either case, there are new ways of doing multi touch in technical terms, and as for UI Apple doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to "generic" actions like pinch to zoom, et al.
Some ppl in thus thread also experience the same problem. To me this is not a acceptable multi touch experience. I hope this can be fixed by an firmware update.
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I just tested the multitouch capabilities of the Atrix. It only registered two fingers? wow I have expected that it will recognize at least 4.....I don't play games on my phone so I don't worry too much but still it leaves a bitter taste...
You can't really use more than 2 fingers on a 4" screen anyway unless you have tiny hands.
Why would you ever need 4 point multitouch on the atrix to begin with... I mean of all the things to complain about this is the lame...
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Why would you ever need 4 point multitouch on the atrix to begin with... I mean of all the things to complain about this is the lame...
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First of all. I wasn't complaining. I just wanted to test how accurate the multitouch is because I am a former N1 user and the multitouch sucked. It was more by curiosity that I tried 3 fingers. I had also a Nexus S and a MT4G and they could register several fingers. I thought that all newer touch sensors were multi finger enabled...
BTW I like my Atrix very much and the screen responsiveness is better than on my HTC devices that I had.
from the build.prop file, it says 2 max touches.
I tried to change the value to 4 but it still would only register 2.
wierd my Nexus S allowed 5
and htc desire HD allowed 4
i think newer screens would allow more, not that it matters
just curious
Is by brand is not HTC so don't expect the same I guess it does suck tho , oh well
I looked at the fixit site and they say it is the same sensor as in the Nexus S: Atmel mXT224. But this beast should have unlimited touch according to the manufacturer. Interesting maybe it is disabled software wise.
As a former N1 user, this touch issue is not important. What is important is it registers two independent touches and never confuses them.
Why is this important? Virtual game joystick and buttons. You will never use more than two touches for that.
Yes there are a few games or apps that can do more than two touches and it is disappointing to not have that enabled. But we will almost never notice this.
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As a former N1 user, this touch issue is not important. What is important is it registers two independent touches and never confuses them.
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This has already been proven for the Atrix (that it treats multitouch correctly); read about it a few days ago on this very forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11540136&postcount=56
The Atrix has the same ATMEL multitouch sensor as the Nexus S, EVO, etc. So we know it can register at least 5 screen inputs at once. The apps you are using to test the multitouch input simply does not support the device (yet), and will need to be updated in order to for this phone to register multiple inputs beyond 2. This is simply a case of outdated software on new hardware.
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The Atrix has the same ATMEL multitouch sensor as the Nexus S, EVO, etc. So we know it can register at least 5 screen inputs at once. The apps you are using to test the multitouch input simply does not support the device (yet), and will need to be updated in order to for this phone to register multiple inputs beyond 2. This is simply a case of outdated software on new hardware.
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The EVO would not register more than two touch points while operating on the stock kernel - and it was shown after rooting and unlocking the bootloader that there were two different touch panels - one that could do three points and one that could do 5.
So hopefully the OE kernel enables the use of the max number of touch points supported by the screen and it is just a matter of outdated software.
so far I have downloaded multitouch test, touch test, multitouch visualizer 2, and multitouch tester all from the android market and the results are always dual imput, not multi...
Am I doning something wrong is the fact that it will not register a third or more imputs... I thought we had up to 5 digit touch
Can anyone confirm or deny?
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more than 2 fingers, Apple will give u a hard time
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so far I have downloaded multitouch test, touch test, multitouch visualizer 2, and multitouch tester all from the android market and the results are always dual imput, not multi...
Am I doning something wrong is the fact that it will not register a third or more imputs... I thought we had up to 5 digit touch
Can anyone confirm or deny?
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Use the app phonetester. That is the most accurate.
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Why would you ever need 4 point multitouch on the atrix to begin with... I mean of all the things to complain about this is the lame...
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This is a terrible problem. I had to stop playing metroid zero mission on my old phone, because you couldn't press the r trigger, the up button, and the b button simultaneously, and you needed to (those 3 buttons when pressed shoot misslles up) in order to kill the boss.
has anyone tried some emulators, like snes or psx or gameboid? i wonder if it reconizes more than two touch imputs..??
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more than 2 fingers, Apple will give u a hard time
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DING DING DING finally someone remembers...
http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and...-back-at-motorola-with-multitouch-patent-suit
Apple, Google and device makers have been embroiled in patent lawsuits since the first Android devices were being made. It still continues. If folks recall, there was huge controversy when I think the original Droid (or was it even earlier, the G1 maybe?) came out and didn't have multitouch in the US, but the international version did. This is why and it continues to be an issue.
What are you talking about... The ATT captivate with the froyo ROM does 5 fingers...
Galaxy s has 5 touch
I've been searching in vain for some hard facts about what the Nexus can/can't do. I can't see, for example:
1) what the multitouch is like. Does it do proper independent tracking of 2 fingers? 10?
ie android.hardware.touchscreen.multitouch/.distinct/jazzhand
2) usb - does it support usb storage or not (via otg).
I can read plenty of answers, but I'm sort of fussy in that I'd like the correct answers, not just the guesses of some user. Do any developers have Nexus 7s yet?
I'd be terribly surprised if it didn't support 10 point multi touch. Even my Samsung Galaxy Tab, the very first Android tablet, supports 10 points. The USB OTG question has already been answered in the general section (the answer is yes with root and an app).
Not complaining, but why do tablets/phones have up to 10 multitouch points?
I mean, when will you use, at most, more than 3 fingers?
Jordanooo said:
Not complaining, but why do tablets/phones have up to 10 multitouch points?
I mean, when will you use, at most, more than 3 fingers?
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Onscreen pianos would need up to 10. Two pinch/stretches would need 4. Multiplayer games might need a couple of fingers for each player and on larger screens you could have 4 simultaneous players.
I want to know because I started to write and then abandoned a game on my HTC Desire because it could only track a single finger reliably.
It supports 10 fingers "a responsive 10-finger multi-touch screen": http://www.asus.com/Tablet/Nexus/Nexus_7/
Blefish said:
It supports 10 fingers "a responsive 10-finger multi-touch screen": http://www.asus.com/Tablet/Nexus/Nexus_7/
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Ah! An "answer"! Thanks!