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My original question:
Anyone know how is this SD card support on Xoom?
I meant, is it micro SD card, mini or full size?
Is there any hardware slot?
Or is it via USB port?
I don't recall there is hardware slot there to insert SD card when I saw all those "hands on".
Answer from Motorola support can be seen from my update here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11546402&postcount=19
gogol said:
Anyone know how is this SD card support on Xoom?
I meant, is it micro SD card, mini or full size?
Is there any hardware slot?
Or is it via USB port?
I don't recall there is hardware slot there to insert SD card when I saw all those "hands on".
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All legit androids use microSD, as does the XOOM.
I don't know what you mean by hardware slot.
USB Port? Are you asking how the microSD slot interfaces with the device? Your question is good, because I too have been wondering where the SD Card goes.
http://www.androidcentral.com/motor...ardware-upgrade-4g-software-patch-microsd-use
I am not seeing any mention of SD card slot in the specs or in the user manual. Am I missing it somewhere?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Motorol...rice/1946179.p?id=1218305636450&skuId=1946179
There is a microsd slot at the top of the device. I think i remember seeing it in a hands on video
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jvs60 said:
There is a microsd slot at the top of the device. I think i remember seeing it in a hands on video
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I saw it in a video but it was not the same model. It had a different color for the back. But it is odd that on Best Buy site the specs show NO for sd slot and no mention of it on Motorola site or user manual. Not sure why this is a big secret since it is a big deal and in fact, deal breaker for me if it is not there.
keitht said:
I saw it in a video but it was not the same model. It had a different color for the back. But it is odd that on Best Buy site the specs show NO for sd slot and no mention of it on Motorola site or user manual. Not sure why this is a big secret since it is a big deal and in fact, deal breaker for me if it is not there.
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I think I remember hearing somewhere around CES that the SD card slot didn't work and was going to be activated by a later patch. What's up with the Xoom being shipped with all kinds of missing functionality?
The BGR hands-on with the Xoom this week mentions the microSD slot is on the top of the device, along with the headphone jack and SIM slot (if applicable). There is a microSD slot on the device. It's been mentioned several times that it will require a software update from Moto to activate it - it's not clear whether that's a Google issue or a Motorola issue. There has been some speculation that it was because Android 3.0 didn't yet support SD cards at the time the Xoom was being demo'd.
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The BGR hands-on with the Xoom this week mentions the microSD slot is on the top of the device, along with the headphone jack and SIM slot (if applicable). There is a microSD slot on the device. It's been mentioned several times that it will require a software update from Moto to activate it - it's not clear whether that's a Google issue or a Motorola issue. There has been some speculation that it was because Android 3.0 didn't yet support SD cards at the time the Xoom was being demo'd.
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Perhaps that is why it is not mentioned in any of the official specs. Pretty lame for a $800 device. So I wonder if the slot is there, when it will actually work? Very sloppy.
on page 10 of the manual theres a reference to microsd card. as for where it is i remember seeing it on the top of the xoom during hands on videos.
socomdark said:
on page 10 of the manual theres a reference to microsd card. as for where it is i remember seeing it on the top of the xoom during hands on videos.
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Thanks, I missed that:
"Tips & tricks
• Photos and videos are stored on your micro SD
memory card."
I just hope it actually works without waiting for an update. It is odd that Best Buy specs for the device do not mention an SD slot even exists.
Yes. Support WILL come. I would love to know how they are having trouble with something so basic. Based on the Viewsonic G-Tablet labeling internal memory as SD 1 and the SD card as SD 2.. perhaps they are working on a more fluid integration of it. As long as they let me put the 50,000 apps I plan to install on the internal memory similar to App2SD I'm happy for now.
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Perhaps that is why it is not mentioned in any of the official specs. Pretty lame for a $800 device. So I wonder if the slot is there, when it will actually work? Very sloppy.
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I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
dwboston said:
I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
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I don't understand this comparison. If Apple had a MicroSD card on the device, it would most definitely work out of the box.
dwboston said:
I'm not bashing the iPad, but do the expensive iPad WiFi+3G versions support microSD? No, they don't. MicroSD support will come, likely shortly after launch, and 32GB of storage will be enough to tide people over until it does. I'm not worried about it.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
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I don't understand this comparison. If Apple had a MicroSD card on the device, it would most definitely work out of the box.
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On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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Apple does take their time and won't rush to just release a product.
I am sure motorola will have a patch ready to go soon if not already. they may have already gotten it done and put on the device.
Being an early adopter of gadgets I understand that sometimes the first release can be a little buggy.
However it bugs me that Motorola did not clarify these issues. No flash and no SD support out of the gate is something that should have been clarified to everyone. I have followed pretty closely the last month and did not realize either of these issues until today.
Having the promise of working features after day 1 is not always a lock as my Galaxy S phone was promised to have an update for flash support and an update to fix the GPS issue yet that has never happened.
i am still buying one on Thursday but will be deciding on the 29th day if I feel I can trust Motorola.
MOTO just wanted to wear the hat of "first to market a honeycomb tablet". Its a race for that hat, with solid patches coming down the pipe pretty quickly.
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An interesting point. iPad doesn't have the functionality at all and never will based on current devices. You have to decide how much space you want at release, which I find annoying as I always bought the cheapest device.
On one hand, I agree, Apple never releases a device unfinished. On the other hand, they accomplish this by taking a long time for a device to come to market, and they are always behind in both specs and features.
Apple has proven the merit of a wholly controlled ecosystem that lends to a more solid device. Many people don't care about specs and advanced features.
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Not sure why we are talking about the Ianything.. But Cut and Paste wasn't initially supported ... enough said.
This has been answered by the Motorola supports:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45325?tstart=0
DansDroid wrote:
Yes Sir, received it today. Here are my readings with all of my apps and settings automatically transferred over. Total internal storage is 28.78gb., 698 mb. media, 518 mb. applications and 27.60 gb. available. There is an external sliding door for the external microSD card and SIM tray that will allow for the Verizon 4G LTE card when both are available in a future software upgrade. The external microSD card, when enabled, will support up to 32 gb., as I had thought. --- Dan
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So, apparently, this could be something NEW to Android.
There is only 1 single partition for all apps, media, files, etc.
That's good!
I think I talked about this in a different thread, but the reason for the delay in sd card support is because the sd card will not be mounted/unmounted whenever you plug it into the pc. Which I would prefer. Having my sd card mount and unmount every time I plug it into the pc is annoying.
This is the reason for the delay. Rebuilding the wheel takes some time.
as some of you may know amazon says the kindle fire has no external SD card but on amazons Faq it says
Does Kindle Fire have an SD card?
Kindle Fire has an internal SD card that your application can write to. Kindle Fire's SD card is internal and is not removable. You should not have to change your app for Kindle Fire if it currently stores data on the SD card.
can I take it that this means the SD cradle is on the inside and the tablet has to be taken apart to get to it like alot of china android tablets are.
Hmmmm. Interesting. Doubt we'll ever really know until someone breaks one open (voiding their warranty). Then even so, one would wonder if Amazon has already thought of that and hard coded to reject anything other than "their
card.
But, still interesting.
Wow, this would be AWESOME if true. That means there is probably a way for us to upgrade our memory. I assumed that it would just be soldered on.
Edit: Do you have a link for this FAQ?
I would imagine it would be permanently affixed to the board. I cannot imagine Amazon did not look at the Nook Color and devised ways to thwart users from doing to the AF what people did/could do to the NC.
Won't know for sure until it comes out.
Maybe it is like the SD card on WM7 phones. When you mount it it initializes. It is not meant to be swapped in and out.
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You are indeed right.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Amazon-Kindle-Fire-Teardown/7099/1
The flash chip is an 8GB from Samsung, and it's permanently soldered to the board. There goes our hope for easy storage upgrades.
On the plus side, the chip that handles WiFi also has the potential to do bluetooth and FM radio! I'll take more connectivity any day.
I don't understand why they don't sell it with a sd slot....
So that they can sell you a Kindle Fire 2 - now with 16/32/64GB memory after you've gotten addicted to the first version and frustrated with the lack of storage.
Yeah, I'm a cynic, but I don't like the way that even the Nexus S/Galaxy Nexus are following Apple's "pay $100 for an extra 16GB storage" when an 32GB Class 10 MicroSD card would be (according to US Amazon) less than $50.
That said, if the streaming works as advertised, it may not be such an issue...
Don't forget Amazon are hawking the cloud storage for this device - they don't want local storage to be expandable so you are dependant on their server offerings. Would be one way to ensure customers are tempted to retain the Amazon build rather than rooting and using the device as a generic tablet.
Regardless of cloud storage, as soon as a ROM pops up for this device I'll be buying and rooting. For ~$200 the hardware looks great, just needs to be de-branded from Amazon's (Apple-esque) restrictive OS first.
On Digitimes "Samsung reportedly to phase out from microSD card market" as you can see it is being reported that Samsung plans to phase out microSD cards http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130507PD224.html. Also, consider if they go the way of Amazon, Nexus and the rest with no microSD cards--no way for users to warehouse their own data. Therefore requiring an internet connection to access your own data, then there will be few products out there with microSD cards and the storage you buy will be all you have unless you want to store your information on remote servers "cloud" to be accessed only if you have a web connection.
To voice your opinion about microSD cards you can email [email protected] and input. The more people who input on wanting them to continue to use microSD cards/slots in their future products the better chance they will keep the technology. I know this is a matter of choice and everyone feels differently about it, but, if you value having microSD please contact Samsung.
UPDATE:
Samsung did respond to my email and said they have inquired about who issued the statement, to the division that handles the microSD card products. At this time, they will work to validate the info for additional review & consideration. Of course, they appreciated the interest & input. One thing my email did was let them know someone appreciated having the microSD slots & cards.
It is very ugly that every company is getting more greedy to get money out people's pocket. This reminds me about someone who have thoughts about companies making larger apps for android in order to make a bigger storage devices just to earn more money. The whole concept about android is the open source codes, but now you have the codes but lack the devices. Android is getting more like apple I guess.
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It is very ugly that every company is getting more greedy to get money out people's pocket. This reminds me about someone who have thoughts about companies making larger apps for android in order to make a bigger storage devices just to earn more money. The whole concept about android is the open source codes, but now you have the codes but lack the devices. Android is getting more like apple I guess.
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Think about when you install a custom rom using clockwork mod and installing the zip from the externalSD card and that not being there and having to use your laptop if the devs have to develop roms that you have to side-load then install the zip using the device's install system. With 16GBs on-board you are lucky if you get 11GBs free space after the system apps are loaded on. To get 32GBs or higher than you have to buy that out the door. Not like they are making tablets that you can just out-the-box hook to an external drive.
AllThingsD (Wall Street Journal) published an article yesterday that 21st century currency is user information and that users need to get used to "not having any privacy" using technology as rent payment for accessing digital content.
All I Can Say is wow!!! I'm choosing the S4 over the HTC one for 2 Reasons and one of them happens to be the sdcard Slot, the other of course is the Replaceable Battery. If they had removed the option this go around I would be sporting an HTC one right now.
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LuCeiFeR said:
It is very ugly that every company is getting more greedy to get money out people's pocket. This reminds me about someone who have thoughts about companies making larger apps for android in order to make a bigger storage devices just to earn more money. The whole concept about android is the open source codes, but now you have the codes but lack the devices. Android is getting more like apple I guess.
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I agree, well to a point, android's OS is still way more lenient. I'm just glad someone acknowledged Google's hand In this. It is not just Samsung, Google is trying to move away from using sdcards and towards bigger internal memory, so it's just a matter of time before the vast majority of companies move in that direction, IMO.
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Think about when you install a custom rom using clockwork mod and installing the zip from the externalSD card and that not being there and having to use your laptop if the devs have to develop roms that you have to side-load then install the zip using the device's install system. With 16GBs on-board you are lucky if you get 11GBs free space after the system apps are loaded on. To get 32GBs or higher than you have to buy that out the door. Not like they are making tablets that you can just out-the-box hook to an external drive.
AllThingsD (Wall Street Journal) published an article yesterday that 21st century currency is user information and that users need to get used to "not having any privacy" using technology as rent payment for accessing digital content.
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One does not really need to use an external SD, he can always install internally.
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I agree, well to a point, android's OS is still way more lenient. I'm just glad someone acknowledged Google's hand In this. It is not just Samsung, Google is trying to move away from using sdcards and towards bigger internal memory, so it's just a matter of time before the vast majority of companies move in that direction, IMO.
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One does not really need to use an external SD, he can always install internally.
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In there defense, the cost of internal storage is dropping and the capacities are finally where they need to be to be viable to not need an SD card to have enough storage on a device. the only bad thing is that now we HAVE to buy the highest capacity instead of the lowest one and just adding a card.
daniel644 said:
In there defense, the cost of internal storage is dropping and the capacities are finally where they need to be to be viable to not need an SD card to have enough storage on a device. the only bad thing is that now we HAVE to buy the highest capacity instead of the lowest one and just adding a card.
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Good point, and I understand their other concerns, like having apps on the sdcard, coupled with multi users could cause problems. It just sucks, because many people enjoy having the ability to have convenient, removable storage.
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Good point, and I understand their other concerns, like having apps on the sdcard, coupled with multi users could cause problems. It just sucks, because many people enjoy having the ability to have convenient, removable storage.
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I am on your side, I don't like having to pay top dollar to get the capacity I want, so I won't be in the market till my tab 2 breaks. Apple as much as I hate them did this for a reason and the other companies are following that reason now, the reason is sdcards vary greatly in speed and reliability so if they don't let you use one they control the flash memory 100% and it allows them to optimize the device for the particular flash memory they use, ultimately it gives you better overall performance not having some random cheap sdcard in the device and thats what they are trying to do and I can understand that even if I don't like what it means cost wise.
bluecarbon said:
I agree, well to a point, android's OS is still way more lenient. I'm just glad someone acknowledged Google's hand In this. It is not just Samsung, Google is trying to move away from using sdcards and towards bigger internal memory, so it's just a matter of time before the vast majority of companies move in that direction, IMO.
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Yes, you do when installing custom roms instead of side-loading the zip from a laptop to the device. Also, good for easy swapping and having unlimited storage capacity. I store a couple in my tablet case because I have different things on different cards & total over 500 apps. Last thing I want is having to "need" a web connection to access my own info. Also the DOJ is now saying they don't need a warrant for digital content--email, FaceBook, Twitter or cloud storage to access the info they need despite 4th amendment protection. MicroSD cards gives you some data privacy everyone doesn't want to live a public life.
I agree with the value of removable cards, much more flexible.
However the article doesn't say Samsung is considering removing SD card slots, but is considering moving out of the manufacture of SD cards.
It is possible that may be their final intent though.
It is apparent they have now established a specification difference from htc by retaining them,I don't think they'll be in a hurry to abandon that advantage.
How many of us would have considered an htc one if both had the same lack of ,or inclusion of SD card slot .
I would have
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Yes, you do when installing custom roms instead of side-loading the zip from a laptop to the device. Also, good for easy swapping and having unlimited storage capacity. I store a couple in my tablet case because I have different things on different cards & total over 500 apps. Last thing I want is having to "need" a web connection to access my own info. Also the DOJ is now saying they don't need a warrant for digital content--email, FaceBook, Twitter or cloud storage to access the info they need despite 4th amendment protection. MicroSD cards gives you some data privacy everyone doesn't want to live a public life.
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I agree that it makes it much easier, and love having an external sdcard, but you can also download a ROM to your device, and install it from there. Just did it earlier today, because my sdcard is getting full. And i guess it would also suck if you were building ROMs, so i do see your point.
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Samsung should have really allowed the Tab 2 to save apps and whatnot to the external SD card. They clearly marketed it with 16gb of storage with 32gb expansion, but not that the expansion will be as limited as it is.
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Is it in the works? I really want a 64GB version. 32GB is not enough for me. Keep running out of space.
Also:
I'm pissed off that Google intentionally kept us from upgrading, doing the same shady crap Apple does, exploiting consumers and stealing from them with the business model. by intentionally not adding expandable storage and charging more for higher memory.
I'm disappointed that Galaxy Tab 7 still isn't close to the performance of Nexus 7. (dual core, etc.) I would gladly pay more for a device which had the same performance and looks of Nexus 7 but with external SDXC slot.
Your posting in the wrong section. Should be in qa.
Also most likely no ones gonna know ...
And yeah it sucks there isn't a micro SD slot. But for the price we pay for the device we can't really complain
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Your posting in the wrong section. Should be in qa.
Also most likely no ones gonna know ...
And yeah it sucks there isn't a micro SD slot. But for the price we pay for the device we can't really complain.
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Thanks for the tip, didn't know about that section.
As for complaining, I can complain from an ethical standpoint.
Don't really think I would consider that unethical.
More memory = higher cost for manufacture.
Same thing as buying a 500gb hard drive vs 1 tb.
Also you can use a flash drive with an adapter
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Don't really think I would consider that unethical.
More memory = higher cost for manufacture.
Same thing as buying a 500gb hard drive vs 1 tb.
Also you can use a flash drive with an adapter
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Not true.
More memory does Not = higher cost for manufacturer.
Put in 16GB and add an SD card slot. Then consumers can decide if they want to buy extra memory which is MUCH CHEAPER than the "upgrade" to the 32GB closed device.
Didn't you know this?
Google has no justification except Apple's - intentional consumer exploitation to make a profit.
The logic that Google has a 0-profit margin is irrelevant. Because if they were really not trying to make a profit, then they'd let us upgrade to as much storage as we want.
I don't think so about a 64gb version. The Nexus supports USB thumb drives using OTG cable. They make OTG microUSB-microSD adapters.
Google is pushing their cloud storage services so a 64gb would not be in their best interest.
Plus what do you need 64gb of data for use at all times? You don't need to carry a whole movie or music collection everywhere you go. If you're going on a trip then throw what you need on there. I have never gotten a low storage message on 32gb.
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I don't think so about a 64gb version. The Nexus supports USB thumb drives using OTG cable. They make OTG microUSB-microSD adapters.
Google is pushing their cloud storage services so a 64gb would not be in their best interest.
Plus what do you need 64gb of data for use at all times? You don't need to carry a whole movie or music collection everywhere you go. If you're going on a trip then throw what you need on there. I have never gotten a low storage message on 32gb.
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First off, I'm NEVER buying cloud. EVER. I'm not even going to get into my reasons for this.
Second, USB is not practical. Then you've got this thing hanging off the end. We don't want that.
Third, ideally I'd like to have my full ebook and audiobook collection as well as music collection and videos too available on my device. I can connect to my home PC filesystem when at home, but when I'm away I don't want to have to stream data over a network. I want the data on my device.
By the way, SDXC supports up to 2TB SD cards. Obviously 2TB SD is not out yet, but it has the upwards capability.
I get low storage on my 32GB daily. I started getting it shortly after buying the device. Because I do tons of stuff and have TONS of data that I WANT on my device. It's what I want, you can't argue with what I want.
I would like terabytes worth, but since that's not possible I at least want to be able to CHOOSE if I want to upgrade the device to the maximum memory possible - which by the way is currently a 256GB SD card.
In 2009, almost 5 years ago now, Wired talked about how 2TB micro SDXC card is coming soon. So it's on the horizon.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/01/two-terabyte-sd/
In this video of the Mobile World Congress 2009, the manufacturer talks about how "2TB micro SD could be about 5 years to come out". That was in 2009. 5 years from 2009 is 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJAlbPBOsNo
What do you mean "buying cloud"?
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First off, I'm NEVER buying cloud. EVER. I'm not even going to get into my reasons for this.
Second, USB is not practical. Then you've got this thing hanging off the end. We don't want that.
Third, ideally I'd like to have my full ebook and audiobook collection as well as music collection and videos too available on my device. I can connect to my home PC filesystem when at home, but when I'm away I don't want to have to stream data over a network. I want the data on my device.
By the way, SDXC supports up to 2TB SD cards. Obviously 2TB SD is not out yet, but it has the upwards capability.
I get low storage on my 32GB daily. I started getting it shortly after buying the device. Because I do tons of stuff and have TONS of data that I WANT on my device. It's what I want, you can't argue with what I want.
I would like terabytes worth, but since that's not possible I at least want to be able to CHOOSE if I want to upgrade the device to the maximum memory possible - which by the way is currently a 256GB SD card.
In 2009, almost 5 years ago now, Wired talked about how 2TB micro SDXC card is coming soon. So it's on the horizon.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/01/two-terabyte-sd/
In this video of the Mobile World Congress 2009, the manufacturer talks about how "2TB micro SD could be about 5 years to come out". That was in 2009. 5 years from 2009 is 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJAlbPBOsNo
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If what you want is more storage, and you are not willing to argue what you want, I guess I have only one question for you.
Why did you buy a 32GB tablet, knowing full well that it has no removable storage and you refuse to use cloud storage? You knew it wouldn't be enough storage yet you bought it knowing this and then complain. I don't get it, unless I'm missing something.
I could be wrong, but I think Google or Asus would have to pay some type of licensing fee if they wanted to include a microsd card slot. I think that was their reasoning for not having it and the cloud of course.
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Maybe instead of spending your time complaining you can learn to mod the device. Someone modded a GS3 to hold 128gb or something like that.
Oh wait I know what your reply will be... "But it's MY money and I should be able to spend it to buy what I WANT."
I'm just letting you know that you sound like a spoiled kid. You are entitled to your opinion and whatever but idk if you're using your time wisely.
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Is it in the works? I really want a 64GB version. 32GB is not enough for me. Keep running out of space.
Also:
I'm pissed off that Google intentionally kept us from upgrading, doing the same shady crap Apple does, exploiting consumers and stealing from them with the business model. by intentionally not adding expandable storage and charging more for higher memory.
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At least included left USB-OTG support.
Get a meenova if you want some unobtrusive sdcard expansion.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andyfei/mini-microsd-reader-for-android-smartphones-and-ta
player911 said:
I don't think so about a 64gb version. The Nexus supports USB thumb drives using OTG cable. They make OTG microUSB-microSD adapters.
Google is pushing their cloud storage services so a 64gb would not be in their best interest.
Plus what do you need 64gb of data for use at all times? You don't need to carry a whole movie or music collection everywhere you go. If you're going on a trip then throw what you need on there. I have never gotten a low storage message on 32gb.
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OTG isn't working on Android 4.3, it's a bug (reported by Nexus Media Importer), but it works fine in recovery.
player911 said:
I don't think so about a 64gb version. The Nexus supports USB thumb drives using OTG cable. They make OTG microUSB-microSD adapters.
Google is pushing their cloud storage services so a 64gb would not be in their best interest.
Plus what do you need 64gb of data for use at all times? You don't need to carry a whole movie or music collection everywhere you go. If you're going on a trip then throw what you need on there. I have never gotten a low storage message on 32gb.
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Bro, FHD takes space. I'm with OP. I am having to transcode my BD rips to get more than 3 to fit. What if those aren't the three I end up wanting to watch while on travel?
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Hm, sounds like your needs are not met with the device you have. So, Why not research and get a device that fits your needs?
1. Your needs are that you need to store all of your ebooks, audio books, etc without putting it on cloud.
2. You realized that 32gb is not enough storage, and currently there are no plans for Google to come out with 64gb version of nexus 7. (at least that I know of)
3. You do not want an OTG cable and something hanging from the device.
4. I think it may be in your best interest to find another device that fits your needs or, make modification to your current device as some of the other members mentioned.
Good luck.
There's a microSD reader in the works that's barely larger than the card itself. That should suffice anyone. I however also agree that not offering a card slot is greedy on Google's part. Hell I'd would have still bought the 32G version if it had an expansion slot and probably stuck a 64G card in the slot. Of course I'm a storage whore.
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FrauPerchta said:
There's a microSD reader in the works that's barely larger than the card itself. That should suffice anyone. I however also agree that not offering a card slot is greedy on Google's part. Hell I'd would have still bought the 32G version if it had an expansion slot and probably stuck a 64G card in the slot. Of course I'm a storage whore.
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http://androidandme.com/thread/kickstarter-usb-otg-microsd-reader-2-days-left/
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OTG isn't working on Android 4.3, it's a bug (reported by Nexus Media Importer), but it works fine in recovery.
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I don't think it was that OTG isn't working but the android functionality used by Nexus Media Importer to get notified and mount the drive wasn't working.
The kernel support for OTG must be working because stickmount works.
NMI uses Android level access so doesn't need root. Stickmount uses lower level access so it needs root.
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OTG isn't working on Android 4.3, it's a bug (reported by Nexus Media Importer), but it works fine in recovery.
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Then please explain to me how I was and am able to access and view all files from my flash drive via USB OTG.
It seems to me that OP has a completely unabashed and irrational sense of entitlement that clouds his ability to censor his posts to intellectual or relevant topics.
Hopefully he will read this thread in a couple of days and feel shame and embarrassment with the way he flaunts his self serving arrogance.
Imho.
sfhub said:
I don't think it was that OTG isn't working but the android functionality used by Nexus Media Importer to get notified and mount the drive wasn't working.
The kernel support for OTG must be working because stickmount works.
NMI uses Android level access so doesn't need root. Stickmount uses lower level access so it needs root.
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It was my fault, I use stickmount too, but it was due to my micro USB micro SD card reader couldn't read my 64gb SD card but my 32gb worked fine.
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Then please explain to me how I was and am able to access and view all files from my flash drive via USB OTG.
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Someone sounds mad.
Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....
It might have to do with the ufs storage being so fast that sticking a cheap/slow sd card will hamper loading times with apps that are installed on it . Thats my guess at least.
Something like this will probably work. I would bet this technique will work fine on the s7 with either no or minor modifications.
https://reddit.com/r/lgg4/comments/3z1bfi/enable_adoptable_storage_on_your_lg_g4_stock_no/
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I think it's a good idea. Store your media in microSD, let UFS handle apps. There is a good write-up here to understand the concept.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
- An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
- A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
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That means your microSD is NOT removeable while using adopotable storage option.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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There's also the bit about how SD cards have a limited number of times they can be read from and written to. Using an SD card the "normal" way means failures are uncommon. When you start caching data and reading and writing at a rate higher than a card was designed to handle, problems can arise.
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I personally prefer it split. The default folder structure is a complete mess and its such a pain having to find my documents, music, camera folders etc when they are all mixed in with junk folders so its much better to have them stored separately on the sd card. I just wish that Chrome would add the option of changing the default download location.
NYanakiev1 said:
Such a huge disappointment to me personally....Samsung is apparently not allowing adoptable storage, meaning that everyone in Europe will be stuck with 32 gb minus whatever is reserved for the OS. I am still at a loss as to how Samsung came up with the brilliant idea to have only 32 gb models available.
It seems that the same also goes for the new LG G5.
Well, I was very close to buying my first ever Samsung phone....
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Same here, I was going to pre-order one with 64gb or 128gb but only 32gb available; what a disappointment. I don't like to use micro SD card. I'm not getting one for that reason.
I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,
This won't affect me, since I don't game, my 16gb S4 already has enough OS/app storage, & I use my 128gb SD as static music storage. However, I agree that this option should be present for people who have different usage patterns than mine, especially since Sandisk just released super fast SD cards. Even better would be 64/128gb built-in to make the point moot for just about anyone.
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I'm holding out for a 64gb model. 32gb just isnt enough,
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Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone
I too am disappointed with no 64gb option. Unreal. Freaking kids that complained got what they want. Now i personally will not buy it because I'm forced to use slow ass sd card. Stupid. So stupid. No one realizes that ufs is stupid faster then the best sd cards except for the diehards.
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Well if you're in the states you won't be getting a 64GB version lol so I would suggest getting an SD card so you can start enjoying this beautiful phone
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I'm in the UK, so there is still hope
Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.
I wonder if this is something that could be enacted in a custom ROM.
I guess I understand the disappointment but 32 gig is plenty of room especially if ya pack all pictures and music off the side.
It will be yet a better reason to root and free up bloat of space is an issue??
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Samsung's explanation seems kinda dumb, they could have just added that option in Developer settings or something.
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No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.
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No, it's quiet brillant from both LG and Samsung.
Phone are not made for people in XDA. My friends (some of who work in IT or other engineers) don't even know or care about 'Developer Settings'. My parents know nothing more than taking photos on defualt settings, listening music, messages etc., Do you think these people will have any idea about adoptable storage?
Samsung doesn't care about XDA people, and rightly so. You don't run a trillion dollar business based on whims of XDA folks. What's best for common man is what's their aim. And I applaud them for thinking beyond geek mentality. Same goes for LG.
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I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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I understand and kind of agree with this, but by this same reasoning, they should never have brought back the idea of expandable memory in the first place.
Virtually all of the people you refer to as not needing, caring about, or even necessarily understanding the idea of adoptable storage are not much more likely to need, care about, or understand the idea of portable storage either.
And yet, here we are with the SD card slot re-added to the 2016 models. Samsung must have been responding to a minority of their consumers complaining about loss of expandable storage or they would never have done this.
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The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
Once a storage device is adopted, it becomes part of the system and is no longer removable. Sure you can physically remove it, but you'll be prompted to put it back while apps and services crash on your phone or tablet. It's adopted — taken in and loved by the system, and made part of the whole.
This means Adoptable storage is really only useful for two things:
An SD card placed in a phone or tablet and never to be removed
A USB storage device attached to your Android TV box, and never to be removed.
When you insert an SD card into the HTC One A9 (the only device I've been able to try it on because Google hates SD cards) you have the choice of using it as a Portable device or an Internal device if you go to reformat it. If you choose Portable, it acts like any other SD card and you can take it out and swap it between devices at your leisure.
If you choose Internal, things change. The device is formatted as a local, 128-bit AES encrypted EXT4 drive and mounted as part of the system. It's then set as the preferred storage, and you're prompted to move data over. Newly generated data is placed on the adopted storage by default.
If you try to remove it, things go haywire.
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dandroid13 said:
The idea remains the same as with the GS5, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Expandable =/= adoptable.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inside-marshmallow-adoptable-storage
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Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (i.e. the vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship probably won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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Previous post to mine said no adoptable storage on s7 because the great majority of buyers wouldn't understand or care about it.
I was pointing out (or trying to, at least) that if that was the reason that adoptable storage was not included in the s7's version of MM, Samsung probably wouldn't have resurrected the SD slot at all, since the same logic would apply (vast majority of buyers for a huge, huge seller like a Samsung flagship won't bother using the SD slot even for its remaining use as portable storage).
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Well, without adoptable you can put it in and forget, no need to care about formatting and losing your data. It would create more confusion.
Adoptable Storage is fine for $100 phones sold in emerging markets because their internals are slow performance wise. For a flagship all its storage will perform at the lowest common denominator which is the speed capabilities of the external SD card. LG and Samsung's choice makes sense. Use the slower less reliable storage for big ass video, RAW, and FLAC files and the faster storage for everything else. Their approach also lets media be shared via the external SD being removable which is impossible with Adoptable Storage. Just because Google puts something out doesn't make it good. As for performance, I can't remember any long threads saying using external storage to play files was ever a problem performance wise.
And for those with the bucks your worries about slow external storage can be solved...
https://www.sandisk.com/about/media...-card-featuring-worlds-fastest-transfer-speed